User talk:Eep²
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Speedy deletion
In my view the speedy tag was also valid.--
- I must apologise for the brevity of my comment, above. I had a little trouble with my PC, and had then to go out unexpectedly. I do not, I must say, see why this talk-page should not be speedied, as it contains no content. You will have noticed that Anthony.bradbury 14:04, 1 June 2007 (UTC)]
CSS discussion
OK, now I need help in removing the background from closed AfD debates. This is the tag: <div class="boilerplate metadata vfd xfd-closed" style="background-color: #F3F9FF;> but .boilerplate metadata vfd xfd-closed div {background: inherit !important} doesn't work. :( I even tried just .boilerplate metadata div, .boilerplate div, .metadata div, and even div boilerplate metadata vfd xfd-closed! But still no good... :/ ∞ΣɛÞ² (τ|c) 21:53, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
- Try .xfd-closed {background: inherit !important}. Trying to catch all the class names won't work, too many. EVula // talk // ☯ // 04:42, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
- Cool--that works; thanks, though you could've just replied on the template page... Anyway, odd the HTML element (div, span, etc) doesn't need to be specified, unlike for .resolved span... ∞ΣɛÞ² (τ|c) 04:54, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
- Well, it was an issue that had nothing to do with {{resolved}}, so I opted to move it here. If you've got any CSS questions in the future, feel free to drop me a line directly.
As for the difference in code, it's because for {{resolved}}, it was the span tag that had the background, whereas here it's the div tag (which doesn't need clarification, as that's what the "xfd-closed" does). EVula // talk // ☯ // 05:01, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
- Well, it was an issue that had nothing to do with {{resolved}}, so I opted to move it here. If you've got any CSS questions in the future, feel free to drop me a line directly.
- Cool--that works; thanks, though you could've just replied on the template page... Anyway, odd the HTML element (div, span, etc) doesn't need to be specified, unlike for .resolved span... ∞ΣɛÞ² (τ|c) 04:54, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
Broken spindle
What is the purpose of this dabpage? Anyone who searches for "broken spindle" has likely misspelled
- Yea, when I first created it I didn't realize both articles were directly related to each other; it could probably be deleted but I didn't do a thorough search for other "broken spindle"-named articles yet... ∞ΣɛÞ² (τ|c) 21:35, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
- As you should be aware by now, consensus is (still) that the dab term is a part of the article name is irrelevant to inclusion in the Dab page. Taemyr 23:18, 9 June 2007 (UTC)]
- As you should be aware by now, consensus is (still) that the dab term is a part of the article name is irrelevant to inclusion in the Dab page.
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- That says the dabpage can include such links, not all of them. It's only relevant if people would legitimately search for an article using that term. Place names should be the main case because people may refer to places like Broken Meat as Broken. –Pomte 22:20, 14 June 2007 (UTC)]
- That says the dabpage can include such links, not all of them. It's only relevant if people would legitimately search for an article using that term. Place names should be the main case because people may refer to places like
- Highly unlikely to who? Have you conducted a scientific study in search algorythms or something? (I doubt it.) Regardless, by that logic, no dab page should have any broken record, broken heart (disambiguation), etc. It's not that hard a concept to grasp, really, and it makes complete logical and intuitive sense. ∞ΣɛÞ² (τ|c) 23:13, 14 June 2007 (UTC)]
- Highly unlikely to who? Have you conducted a scientific study in search algorythms or something? (I doubt it.) Regardless, by that logic, no dab page should have any
- Use common sense. My logic didn't restrict people or company names. You call Bob Smith by his last name, but you don't call the United States by "the United". If someone wanted to read about broken heart, they would type "broken heart" into the search box. It's not intuitive to be faced with a bunch of unnecessary, barely relevant links. If you think this distinction is arbitrary, think about how people decide which words and phrases to link in an article. –Pomte 23:34, 14 June 2007 (UTC)]
- Use
- What's common to one person may not be common to another. Your "logic" is contradictory, inconsistent, and hypocritical, for reasons I've already stated on this and, oh, just about every other dab discussion I've ever participated in on Wikipedia. The links also aren't "unnecessary" for reasons I've also already stated here and elsewhere many times. I also have a problem with how people link to certain words/phrases in an article and not others. I believe all words and phrases should have links but, obviously, that would clutter up the articles, which is why MediaWiki needs to be redesigned to (optionally, of course) allow all words, phrases, names, and groups of characters/words be intuitively searchable (without having to manually copy-paste the selection into the search box, or use one of those context menu selection search browser add-ons. The problem with Wikipedia is that it is easily biased and controllable as to what content is connected, often times leaving out much more extensive history and connections with other things. It's all relative--and it's high time more people started thinking relatively... ∞ΣɛÞ² (τ|c) 23:49, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
- Most complicated systems end up being inconsistent. IAR is an obvious culprit, so you should either use IAR to denounce all policy, or refrain from considering IAR a policy. Of course dabpage writing is subjective, but there's a reason people can generally agree on things they can't define with rigorous logic. Your conception of "extensive" connections is trivial at best; being all-inclusive is not necessarily an improvement. I may not know what readers want most, but how do you? If you think you're improving the encyclopedia, start a study to see whether readers (not necessarily editors) agree. –Pomte 01:26, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
AfD nomination of Outer
I've nominated
Cathy O'Brien
Are you familiar with
- Are you joking? Wikipedia:Consensus is policy, we don't vote. --Iamunknown 03:49, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
- Uh, you better reread Wikipedia:Courtesy blanking cuz "It is usually done at the request of the person in question, however any user may do this if the contents of a AfD discussion would be best not indexed by search engines" doesn't say anything about "consensus"--in fact, it's rather vague and arbitrary as to when "courtesy blanking" (censorship) occurs. I'd say that calls for a vote. ∞ΣɛÞ² (τ|c) 04:27, 12 June 2007 (UTC)]
- Uh, you better reread
Hi. Is there a specific reason for this change? It is my understanding that {{hndis}}/{{namedab}} should only be used for full names, eg. Robert Johnson, and {{surname}} for all the other cases. I currently work on a lot of surname pages, and since I (think that I) am pretty much up-to-date with dabbing guidelines and consensus, I have replaced lots of malplaces {{hndis}} templates with {{surname}}. But you're an experienced editor, so I ask whether I have missed a guideline or if I just don't see where you're coming from in this case, because anybody may be known by just their surname, making the difference between {{surname}} and {{hndis}} useless. Greetings, – sgeureka t•c 07:23, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
- Well, the problem with {{surname}} is that it automatically categories the article in the general Surnames category, which is annoying when the surname is from a specific country/culture. The {{surname}} template needs to be altered so it doesn't automatically do this or an alternate template created that doesn't auto-categorizes (or has an option to categorize elsewhere). ∞ΣɛÞ² (τ|c) 08:26, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
- I don't know in how far you have the surname template on your watchlist, but I've made a note on Template talk:Surname. I've also invited User:Eliyak who included the old non-autocat function a while ago. The template might still be updated significantly, therefore I wouldn't start adding "nocat" to the template on articles right away. – sgeureka t•c 12:54, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
- The whole scheme is somewhat confusing and I added a thread here to seek some help. As for the categorizing, Template:WPBiography has a "listas=" parameter that permits an editor to list the name as they feel most appropriate. Kingboyk might be able to program something like "listas=" for this template to permit overriding the auto-categorizing of the article. -- Jreferee (Talk) 17:21, 15 June 2007 (UTC)]
- The whole scheme is somewhat confusing and I added a thread here to seek some help. As for the categorizing,
Your edits to Ob
Please do not add unhelpful and unconstructive content to Wikipedia, as you did to Ob. Your edits appear to be vandalism and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. You've been told that what you are doing is inappropriate by several editors. Please stop. IPSOS (talk) 12:42, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
Personal attack warning
In regard to this edit: Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks may lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. IPSOS (talk) 01:25, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
- Says the hypocrite who has also vandalized "Closed"... ∞ΣɛÞ² (τ|c) 02:30, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
- Stop calling people names. You've been warned many times before. While you are often a good editor, that does not excuse incivility. If you wish to continue to participate in this project you must be civil. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 22:17, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Please see Inner and Outer. I think that you have some good ideas. You might want to work on presenting them in a more civil fashion. Remember that you are basically dealing with a bunch of tight ass volunteer librarians who are trying to make this a better place. Not, as you seem to believe, a bunch of dictatorial, narrow-minded, assholes. —Gaff ταλκ
- Heh, I appreciate the support...but librarians? Surely, if true, they would have better ideas of categorization and navigation! Although, perhaps all those years using the ]
Category recreations
Please stop recreating validly deleted categories without consensus. These were already endorsed by DRV. Thanks.
- OK, sorry...was just trying to clean up the wanted cats list. If those categories are disbanded, they shouldn't have any articles in them... But it seems that it's a futile attempt to restrain Wikipedians from voicing their affiliations--otherwise you'll have to remove ALL Wikipedian categories (including country/language ones)... ∞ΣɛÞ² (τ|c) 06:53, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
- POV affiliations are different from location and language. In any case, I think a bot is in the process of depopulating them already, to fix the redlinks. t 06:56, 13 June 2007 (UTC)]
- POV affiliations are different from location and language. In any case, I think a bot is in the process of depopulating them already, to fix the redlinks.
Ob
Regarding this revert of yours, I have explained on the talk page why your approach is in violation of existing guidelines. If you are unable to provide counter-arguments but will continue to revert-war, I will regretfully have to report your behavior as disruptive.
Note that
Community ban
Stalking me to articles you've never edited before was not a good idea for someone with an RfC as long as yours. I've opened a request for a community ban, [1]. You are intentionally disruptive and refuse to follow consensus. IPSOS (talk) 13:09, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
unblock
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Eep² (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))
Request reason:
How did I fail to "properly" respond to my RfC? Since when is "cluttering" of dab pages a violation? I wasn't cluttering them, as I've stated numerous times in my defense--I was simply improving them.
Decline reason:
While you are still blocked, please read over what your fellow members of the wikipedia community advised you. Ignore all rules is well and good when the action you take has a chance of being supported by the community at large. As is clear here, what you were doing is not supported. I would suggest that if you want to inflict change on our disambiguation style, that you raise conversations on the relevant pages of
If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.
∞ΣɛÞ² (τ|c) 01:05, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
- Um, again (as I've stated numerous times in dab-related discussions), I've tried to raise conversations on relevant pages but people just don't (or won't) get it. ∞ΣɛÞ² (τ|c) 01:18, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Please don't unblock this user, s/he is an habitual edit warrior who will not allow any other editors to disagree, will not discuss, and imposes their own style, formatting and ideas in violation of current consensus. IPSOS (talk) 01:10, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
- Says the hypocrit who is himself under RfC--tHat's rich, IPSOS... ∞ΣɛÞ² (τ|c) 01:18, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Block
I have blocked you for one week. From the discussions at both
One of the items brought up is that you believe Wikipedia needs to have information on everything, which includes dictionary-like pages. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and it is not a dictionary. Wiktionary, however, is a dictionary, where some of your edits seem to belong. To me, it seems that you need to go over Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not and see where you belong in all of this.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 01:09, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Additionally, Wikipedia:Disambiguation is something you should also look over.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 01:12, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
- On behalf of Piet Delport 01:17, 15 June 2007 (UTC)]
unblock 2
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Eep² (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))
Request reason:
Uh, how did I fail to "properly" respond to my RfC? First I tried replying on the main RfC page but then others removed my comments (until I made a big enough stink about it by reverting the deletions for the person to properly move my comments to the discussion page, which I continued to reply to there). Also, as I've stated numerous times, my so-called "disruptive" edits were not disruptive at all--merely improvements to MediaWiki's poor disambiguation system. A weeklong ban for trying to improve Wikipedia? That's rich...especially when the
Decline reason:
Your incivility seems to be continuing, as clear through comments like this unblock request ("that's rich") and this reply ("incivility my ass", accusations of hypocrisy, etc.). Please cease your incivility and wait out your block. Your block review was already denied, and you are bordering on disruption here; if you post another incivil unblock request, your block will be extended further for disruption. — Ƙ]
If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.
- And why can't I even edit my own user page? God damn...I was working on something and don't feel like losing it... ∞ΣɛÞ² (τ|c) 01:21, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
- Blocked users cannot edit anything but this user talk page. And if you continue to use this page for personal attacks, you will be unable to use it within the next week. In my expanded block reason, as well as Eagle 101's decline, you need to understand the following: Despite the fact that you feel that you are ignoring these rules, you are angering people that lead to the RFC and then the "ban discussion" at CSN. I chose a middle ground here, and simply gave you a defined week long block. In this time, I expect you to read over the policies I listed above, as well as the RFC on your behavior. If you persist in these behaviors that led to the complaints, administrators such as myself will be inclined to impose longer blocks on your account to prevent further damage to the project.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 01:36, 15 June 2007 (UTC)]
- Blocked users cannot edit anything but this user talk page. And if you continue to use this page for personal attacks, you will be unable to use it within the next week. In my expanded block reason, as well as Eagle 101's decline, you need to understand the following: Despite the fact that you feel that you are
- Middle ground my ass, you choose. A middle grounded person would not have banned me. A middle-grounded person would have worked with both parties to find a common ground. A middle-grounded person acts an arbitrator, not a judge, as you have done. Duh. Wikipedia's rules are inconsistent, contradictory, and, hence, hypocritical--as is anyone who follows them to the letter, like you and most everyone else here on Wikipedia that gangs up on people trying to make sense out of all of this conflicting political nonsense. ∞ΣɛÞ² (τ|c) 04:16, 15 June 2007 (UTC)]
- Middle ground my ass, you choose. A middle grounded person would not have banned me. A middle-grounded person would have worked with both parties to find a common ground. A middle-grounded person acts an
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- Is there such thing as a large set of practical rules that is non-contradictory? Inconsistent rules are there for everyone to fix, and you'll know when something doesn't need fixing when consensus disagrees with you. Dabpages only need rules so there's some sort of consistency between them. For actual inclusion criteria, just use reason and sensible argumentation. See also my comment above. It seems clear that your idea of navigation on this site is drastically different from other people's, so you should consider backing off from that area. Attacking Wikipedia in general terms isn't going to get things done. Work on pages like Wikipedia:Problems with Wikipedia. –Pomte 04:49, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
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In response to a post at the Village pump, I added a membership criteria to disambigous pageSophia. The page needs some work and I read at Wikipedia talk:Disambiguation that you like to deal with disambigous pages. If you get some time, would you mind giving Sophia a good once over. Thanks -- Jreferee (Talk) 16:42, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
- Shyea...I liked to before I was blocked for a week because of it. No thanks...Wikipedia can keep its craptacular disambiguation system; I'm not even bothering anymore. ∞ΣɛÞ² (τ|c) 22:26, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Notability of Afterworld (animation)
proposed merge: Aldebaran in fiction
I have proposed merging
Hello, again
It's not a smart thing to undo edits that were undone by the administrator who blocked you. Please do follow the rules.—Řÿūłóñģ (竜龍) 06:40, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
- I am following the rules. I provided reasoning per ]
Final warning on incivility and personal attacks
I note that after serving out your block, you have continued your pattern of incivility and personal attacks, such as at [2], [3], and [4]. You have already been blocked three times in the last month and a half for these very reasons; blocks are intended as a preventative rather than punitive measure, however I see no indication that you plan to reform your behavior. This is your final warning. If you continue your pattern of incivility, personal attacks, and disruption, you will be indefinitely blocked from this Wikipedia. Ƙ]
- Uh, how are those examples of incivility? I'd call being blocked for trying to improve Wikipedia far more incivil. ∞ΣɛÞ² (τ|c) 08:23, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
- I have to kind of agree, even despite the fact that I don't like your style in general... your last few "examples of incivility" are pretty mild, actually. You'll find that around here some animals are more equal than others; there are a few bigshots who get a free pass to be as uncivil as they want, while others can get blocked or banned for rather minor things. *Dan T.* 12:36, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
- Um, I think you're way too sensitive. I was actually being quite patient with Xcommunic8 over the past few days since he was the one who insulted/abused/was in-/uncivil to me (as I outline on free speech) in an effort to improve a flawed system, Wikipedia won't succeed under such oppression. I will be appealing this block, too, to most likely futile avail... ∞ΣɛÞ² (τ|c) 03:10, 25 June 2007 (UTC)]
- Um, I think you're way too sensitive. I was actually being quite patient with Xcommunic8 over the past few days since he was the one who insulted/abused/was in-/uncivil to me (as I outline on
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Eep² (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))
Request reason:
see above
Decline reason:
I have not unblocked you completely, but I have shortened the block to twenty-four hours from now. Pithy sarcasm does not make an indefinite block, but I'm afraid if I unblock you entirely you'll think it's 100% okay. Based on the comments above, I don't think you realize yet how insulting your condescending remarks, like the ones noted by Krimpet, can be. -- tariqabjotu 14:15, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Thank you. I am not trying to insult people, but people insult me when they revert my edits (or immediately nominate pages I create for deletion) when I am trying to improve Wikipedia. I will discuss things more before reverting other edits, but I tried discussing recent reversions with the admin (Ryulong) who previous blocked me for a week, to no avail. He usually didn't even bother answering the questions and played dumb--even after pointing his question evasion out. He's since deleted the discussion from his talk page. This isn't very civil behavior from an admin--especially one who blocked me for a week over the issue in question. I don't appreciate being treated like that when I am trying to improve Wikipedia. ∞ΣɛÞ² (τ|c) 15:35, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
- .. but Eep, you are in fact insulting people, whether you are trying to or not. And you're doing it repeatedly, doing it again, and doing it over and over. If you don't understand that this is how your behaviour is interpreted, perhaps you need to take another look. You might consider that people who don't agree with you are ALSO honest contributors who are trying to improve Wikipedia, and see no more justification for your insulting their opinions (by continuing to insist that you, and only you, know how Wikipedia should be) than you seem to see for their reverting your contributions? --Alvestrand 16:22, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
List of people named John
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- Hello eep2. My humble suggestion, no offence. Dont remove prod warnings so early. Do it on 5th day otherwise they go for afd soon. Delay for 5 days so that you can improve article and think of gameplan. Why do you try to teach everyone game of wikipedia? There are some million users, mind your motives and use all possible means. Again, no offence intended. Jst enthar 04:56, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
autoblock
Esotericism
Why did you revert my edit to Esotericism? Those links were superfluous, unrelated to the article, and there were so many that it made it difficult to read, considering
Any chance you have scans of the seventh issue? And does that issue have a masthead inside? Please don't get upset, but someone named User:Dcooper has deleted the Phil Gounis info because it was OR, and although I dislike having to agree with him, it seems he's correct. I'm hoping the magazine has the information we seem to be looking for. However, that will probably be disallowed because it's not a secondary source. 68.89.149.2 22:24, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
- If the seventh issue says that he's the co-founder, you can cite it without needing a scan, in my opinion.--Dcooper 23:36, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
- Well, my questions may not exactly bear on whether Wikipedia would include this information, but I'd like to know whether the seventh issue has a more formal look than the first issue, whether it has anything like a masthead, and whether Phil is mentioned in any role if there is a masthead. I imagine some of us would like to know the outcome of Gounis's lawsuit, but I don't know how to go about finding out. 68.89.149.2 19:03, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
- As I said, email him...and Kenn Thomas. Try a St. Louis, Missouri court website for a public record of the court case, if it exists. ∞ΣɛÞ² (τ|c) 03:47, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
Why do you "agree that Gounis probably did co-found the magazine" and yet you say "there just isn't reliable, credible proof of that"? —The preceding
- Because there isn't (that I and others have yet been able to find, anyway). See Wikipedia:Reliability for more info. As I've said on Talk:Steamshovel Press, Gounis needs to provide a credible, reliable source that shows he co-founded the magazine. Wikipedia (or at least User:Dcooper anyway) doesn't consider my email exchange with him, and the scan of the first issue, to be credible/reliable. ∞ΣɛÞ² (τ|c) 10:31, 5 July 2007 (UTC)]
I'm really out of my league here and can't figure out how to get this information to anyone so I'll leave a note here. I have scans of the mastheads for issues 4, 5, 6, and 7 of Steamshovel Press (from Gounis). They all list Gounis and Thomas as co-editors. Apparently, the first issue was just a publication of an interview (no other content) so they didn't bother with a masthead. I don't know what happened to issues 2 and 3. Thomas may have copies, but if he does, he's not offering them for us to see. However, if Gounis was editor by issue 4, and the co-publisher of the first issue/interview, it stands to reason he was listed that way on both issues 2 and 3, which, in my view, makes him a founder. How should I proceed? Thanks. (P.S. My apologies if I somehow inadvertently screwed up your user talk page, sigh...) —The preceding
- Well, do you have a website to upload the scans to? If not, you can get free space at ]
- You don't need to scan the issues or create a blog or e-mail anyone. Just edit the article to say something like "the early issues were edited by Thomas and Gounis" and then cite those issues as your reference. You could also say "the first issue consisted of an interview by Thomas and Gounis" and cite it. A secondary source would be preferable, but I don't think anyone would challenge you citing the primary source. I certainly won't. But you can't say that Gounis published or founded the magazine unless you can find a reliable source (such as the magazine itself) which states that he did.--Dcooper 20:11, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
Block
It seems to me that you are not able to contribute anything to the encyclopedia. You consistantly turn pages into disambiguation pages, add barely related items to disambiguation pages, and you have, once again, copied content of a page that is to be deleted into your user subspace. Wikipedia is not a search engine for you to fine tune. It is an encyclopedia. I have blocked you indefinitely. You may appeal this block with {{unblock}} or an e-mail to the unblocking mailing list.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 06:59, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
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Eep² (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))
Request reason:
Huh? I've contributed plenty to Wikipedia. I don't turn pages into dab pages; I create dab pages. I copied the AfDed page to a subpage so I could work on it some more should it be deleted before I have time to find more references than I already have since the AfD. Geez.User:Eep² 08:27, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
Decline reason:
I have gone through enough of your edit history and interactions with others, and the complaints about you are not poorly founded at all, they are very correctly placed. Wikipedia has clearly found many of your contributions worthwhile, and I thank you for those. Absent any indication that you intend to seriously reevaluate your behavior, I for one would not consider unblocking. Mangojuicetalk 19:13, 10 July 2007 (UTC)]]
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- I have to agree with "talk" 21:46, 9 July 2007 (UTC)]
- I haven't pressed my dab suggestions since my last block. Yes, I've contributed to dabs--and created new ones from scratch (not turned pages into dab pages), but so what? Since when is contributing to Wikipedia bad? God damn...regardless, an arbitration process should occur, if anything. To be permanently banned over contributing to Wikipedia is just stupid (just as it was stupid to be permanently banned for a minor case of "incivility" by the same admin, who's obviously trigger-finger happy). If you look at my contribution history you'll see I have far more positive contributions to Wikipedia than the few minor infractions that've occurred with overzealous editors/admins who have come down on me for the stupidest of things (which has then led to the so-called "incivility" and whatnot)--ridiculous. ∞ΣɛÞ² (τ|c) 02:19, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
- I like you. I am not anti-Eep2. However, the allegations of incivility are not imaginary. You have to stop using words such as "overzealous," "stupidest," and "ridiculous." Temporary blocks are used as strong warnings that your behavior is unacceptable. If you come back with excuses and accusations, everybody concludes that you are not going to learn and change because you are explicitly denying any wrong-doing. I hope that you are young (because the young seem to have a better chance of learning and changing) and that you take time to calm down and reevaluate what has occurred here. 68.89.149.2 23:41, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
- That is simply not true: in the last few days, you have disruptively pressed edits on at least the following disambiguation pages:
- Trying blame everything on "consensorship", "overzealous editors/admins", and "deletionist vultures" is doing nothing to help your cause. And if you think you were previously banned due to a "minor case of incivility", you are significantly out of touch. —Piet Delport 15:59, 11 July 2007 (UTC)]
- You call it "disruption"; I call it "improvement". On Bantam, I simple added a likely misspelling, "Bam Bam", per the WP:MOSDAB#The "See also" section. I discussed my reasoning in the edit summaries or on talk pages, but you and others fail to see reason for them--just as you all have continually hindered Wikipedia's development so it can actually be useful when navigating instead of some hit-or-miss system it currently is. If anything, you and others are the ones causing disruptions; I am simply trying to improve Wikipedia. This is typical when too much power is in the hands of the few, as is obviously the case with Wikipedia. The ones out of touch are the ones who abuse their power (and/or aid in helping those with power abuse it). ∞ΣɛÞ² (τ|c) 19:27, 11 July 2007 (UTC)]
- You call it "disruption"; I call it "improvement". On Bantam, I simple added a likely misspelling, "Bam Bam", per the
- Translation: "I'm right and everyone else is wrong." "I'm not the problem, everyone else is." Funny how this line has been seen before, my friend. --Modemac 20:45, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
- "Everyone on Wikipedia except me" is an interesting definition of "the few"... —Piet Delport 15:05, 12 July 2007 (UTC)]
- "Everyone on Wikipedia except me" is an interesting definition of "the few"... —
Eep2, when I indef blocked you a few weeks ago for this same continuing behavior, you were unblocked and given a second chance again, yet the unblocking admin still gave you a caveat that your behavior was not correct. Yet you have continued your behavior. Despite all the urging from other editors for you to be civil and work with the community, you have continually pushed your own vision of what Wikipedia should be. Whenever anyone disagrees, you instantly assume bad faith and jump on them with colorful neologisms like "consensorhip" and "wiktator." It's not just a few "overzealous admins" that have decided blocking you indefinitely is warranted - community-wide discussions at
]- Wrong. I have only used such terms after I was already banned by said admins. Incivility is as incivility does, Krimpet et al. As I already explained above, I quoted direct dab guidelines yet I still get the shaft--that's rich. I demand arbitration--with an UNBIASED, OBJECTIONAL 3RD-PARTY. A few hard-assed stuck-up powermongerers aren't going to kill my Wikipedia editing hobby--nuh uh; I don't think so. Block me from editing dab pages, or something, but an entire ban is just fucking ridiculous considering the amount and quality of my contributions. Stupid beurocracy and politics... ∞ΣɛÞ² (τ|c) 12:17, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
- OK, I emailed 3 different clerks but only 1 (User:Newyorkbrad) responded and suggested I prepare an email explaining why I think my block was unfair, etc, which I did. He claimed to have forwarded the email to the arbitration committee and said I would hear back if action would be taken. 5 days passed and I emailed him asking what the status was and, if no action was going to be taken, how would I appeal that. He replied claiming that the committee advised him that they decline to lift my block at this time but no reason why was given. That's not how an arbitration committee acts. What's the point of an arbitration committee if it doesn't actually arbitrate? ∞ΣɛÞ² (τ|c) 03:07, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
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Dear ∞ΣɛÞ²,i recently made some changes and added more stuff to peter beter's page(or should i say busted my @$#),would you mind having a look at it and do any changes that might seem neccessary??i just believe that it would definitely be useful to have your opinion.thanks budGrandia01 05:33, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
- I would if I wasn't banned... ∞ΣɛÞ² (τ|c) 05:42, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
- hey man,would there be any way to remove this indefinite block from you??Grandia01 08:27, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
- I'm trying, but the so-called "arbitration committee" has given me the cold shoulder as described above. I'm working from the inside-out now in order to get Wikipedia (and all of MediaWiki) changed now, however (see my MediaWiki user page for more info). There are also MediaWiki extensions (like Semantic MediaWiki) that can categorize/organize Wikipedia far better than it is now, but Wikipedia would need to install them, of course. ∞ΣɛÞ² (τ|c) 00:05, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
- Until he shows signs of understanding why people get pissed off at him so often, I don't give it much hope. --Alvestrand 06:55, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
- Nothing I can do - I'm not the admin who decided to block Eep, not even one of the 3-4 admins who've declined to remove the block after reading through the chronicles of Eep's various quarrels. I've already said what I think Eep can do about it, but it seems unlikely that he will. --Alvestrand 11:56, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
- What can I do about it? Stop editing dab pages? Fine. But I still think Wikipedia's dab/navigation system is crap and could do with an extension or 8 to improve it (as I'm finding with my own MediaWiki site). I'm getting more involved in improving MediaWiki in general now, and will lobby to get have those improvements included which will then propagate to Wikipedia. Thankfully, MediaWiki development is less beurocratic than this Wikipedia nonsense. If these things don't show that I'm truly trying to improve Wikipedia (via MediaWiki) vs. "disrupt" it, then I don't know what will! ∞ΣɛÞ² (τ|c) 14:25, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
- Read what I wrote. I don't think you understand yet why people get mad at you. Hint: You've been in quarrels on multiple subjects. The subject's not the reason. --Alvestrand 16:45, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
- ∞ΣɛÞ²,man with all due respect,you have to know that you can't change others,if your superiors in some department(in which case here are the admins) want to do things in a certain way then it would be unwise to challenge them and do something that only you likes,you just have to live with it man.its like coming to work at 10am and your boss wants you there at 9am,everyone knows the consequence of this action.even if you hate something that your superiors insist on you still have to do it their way man,that's life,in hopes of getting something better than nothing.i'm not taking anyone's side,just little wisdom from someone who actually likes your edits wants you to stay here.thanksGrandia01 21:02, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
- Note: it's perfectly fine to challenge admins; they are Piet Delport 02:00, 1 August 2007 (UTC)]
- Note: it's perfectly fine to challenge admins; they are
- And what would reconciling consist of? I'm not changing who I am. I have ideas and ways of doing things that usually aren't understood by most people at first. One person, Gaff, briefly (for a day or something) saw my ideas as a "paradigm shift" but then quickly retracted once he latched onto the Special:Allpages function, which is quite limited (as I pointed out to him and many others numerous times). As Q from Star Trek said on All Good Things... "For that one fraction of a second, you were open to options you had never considered." Seems like most admins/wikipedians I've encountered aren't open to much of anything, unfortunately; they'd rather keep the status quo and not evolve. That's not what Wikipedia (and collaboration) is about.
- As I said, I'm working to change Wikipedia/MediaWiki from the inside-out vs. the outside-in, as my ideas tend to have greater acceptance among developers than short-sighted beaurocratic end-users on "consensual" power trips (groupthink). What's uncivil is the politics and beaurocracy within Wikipedia that limits its possibility, expansion, and completeness as a true compendium of knowledge. ∞ΣɛÞ² (τ|c) 04:41, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
- i see your perspective Eep,but the sad fact remains that your edits are not well-liked or received by many editors here,for example,look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Alvestrand where it's clear that you're being--with all due respect--very close-minded,majority consensus is the basis for many decisions in our democratic societies,and if most editors disagree with your opinions,then one-sadly-has no choice but to abide.your stubborness will only lead to you being blocked,is that wise or practical to you??i like many of your ideas,but there's nothing i can do if most editors disgaree with you,also,you do have an in-your-face attitude(which some consider it uncivil),which is obviously not welcomed here.you can insist on doing what you were doing,and remain blocked,or pledge to change and contribute with more of your beautiful edits that i'm-personally-a fan of...Grandia01 05:24, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
(outdenting) I appreciate your concern, Grandia, but that's not who I am. Yes, I'm "in-your-face" (blunt) and direct. I've faced much worse opposition before in other forums (newsgroups and IRC, especially). I'm used to it. I know I come off as egotistical but I'm not; I'm just determined and hard-pressed. I see blocking as a last-ditch cop-out by those who choose to not understand my position and so retaliate the only way they can (if they have the power to)--by blocking/banning. You see, it's been done to me before many times. I'm getting used to it; I may not like it but deep down I am following what is true to me. It will probably lead to my very destruction (death et al) but I'm OK with that--I will die fighting for what I truly believe in, if necessary. Granted, Wikipedia and other online forums are hardly cause for alarm but they are a stepping stone to allegedly larger issues that could quite easily come my way in the future.
Anyway, I'm getting philosophically off-topic. I see other people's positions fine; I just don't usually agree with them fully (I tend to think relatively); hence my harsh reactions to stubborn-/narrow-mindedness when they refuse to see my position. And, really, the only Wikipdia edits that caused the most problems were disambiguation-related (which were in quite the minority, actually, if you go through my edit history). The incivility card is another cop-out for refusing to deal with the issue I raised: fixing Wikipedia's disambiguation system and expanding it to include a proper navigation system (as pseudo-outlined on User:Eep²/Wikinavigation).
As for democracy, sorry, but it's not
Anyway, I'm rambling. If I'm unbanned, great; if not, oh well. I'll continue on with my "Wikipedia
- feel free to do what you believe is right,after all,a true man is one who persistently does what he believes in.i just hope to see you edit again sometime in the future,i definitely look up to you in many of your edits,especially when and how you saved the peter beter page from deletion.anyways,enough rambling,take care man,best of luckGrandia01 07:57, 1 August 2007 (UTC)]
- Actually, Eep nearly got the Addhoc who addressed the concerns with the article and improved it while it was nominated for deletion. Eep ignored all the concerns and wrote a series of messages attacking people who nominated it for deletion. I wonder if there's a lesson to be learned in that? Well, I guess if there were, it would have been learned by now.--Dcooper 13:56, 1 August 2007 (UTC)]
- Actually, Eep nearly got the
- Um, I found a few legitmate references, Dcooper. I didn't attack anyone as can be plainly seen on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Peter Beter and Talk:Peter Beter. Get your facts straight. ∞ΣɛÞ² (τ|c) 21:45, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
- Well, I was referring to this edit, and you were busy attacking people for deleting the Eep2 page. But you're right that you added some ref's; I shouldn't have stated otherwise. Still Addhoc deserves the credit for showing the article could be written with good references.--Dcooper 22:09, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
- Oh, gee, I referred to a general group of people as idiots--oh noes! Lemme guess, "uncivil", right? Baloney... Wikipedia's incivility policy is so anal it'd make even homosexuals cry out in protest. Do you even leave your house and go out into the real world, Dcooper et al? The real world ain't civil all the time--in fact, it can get downright nasty--and that's not even having to do with people (ever been in a fierce thunder-/hailstorm, hurricane/tsunami, or near a tornado, for examples)? Be real please. Requiring people to constantly be touchy-feely sensitive isn't going to last long unless you want a biased user base towards things that don't actually make people think and maintain the status quo for however boringly long such people exist. <insert sociological commentary here>
- And it's interesting how you chose to refer to an initially unmentioned article while implying reference to another one already being discussed--and then only correcting yourself when called on it. I see you like to play games with people, like many other Wikipedians apparently do...not cool. It's precisely this kind of political/wordplay, mindtrick/-fuck nonsense I don't want to be involved with. ∞ΣɛÞ² (τ|c) 05:35, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
- Your appalling incivility ends here. This page has been protected. K]
- And it's interesting how you chose to refer to an initially unmentioned article while implying reference to another one already being discussed--and then only correcting yourself when called on it. I see you like to play games with people, like many other Wikipedians apparently do...not cool. It's precisely this kind of political/wordplay, mindtrick/-fuck nonsense I don't want to be involved with. ∞ΣɛÞ² (τ|c) 05:35, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
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