User talk:Marchjuly/Archives/2021/June

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FFD delsort tags

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WP:FOOTYDEL which is the WikiProject's centralised & organised discussion log. Giant Snowman 10:15, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for the post. Just for reference, I wasn't criticizing the addition of the template; it's just one that I've never seen added to an FFD thread before. I think it probably would be a good idea if delsort was a formal part of the FFD process which is why I started a discussion about doing so at WT:FFD. -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:14, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Don't worry, I know you weren't being critical! Giant Snowman 14:17, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Note you left on my talk page

Thank you, Marchjuly, I very much appreciate your note. Sometimes Wiki just wears a body thin ... probably best to move on when that happens. Once again, I appreciate your comments. Best, Christian Gregory (talk) 01:02, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

You're welcome. Everybody gets frustrated and when that happens

it's OK to take a break. -- Marchjuly (talk) 13:11, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for sharing your wisdom

Thanks for explaining more about how COIN posts get closed. I thought it was 14 days after the start, not 14 days after the last edit. I don't want to further delay that COIN discussion from getting closed, so I'm replying here instead of there :) I'm a bit confused how it works because it doesn't seem to be the same as AfD. How is consensus reached? Who makes the final call about whether or not there's a COI? Who is the one that adds the templates to the talk pages? When the template is added, is it permanent? Meaning that even 5 years from now if the article is completely re-written, if someone removes a COI template from the talk page, that edit will get reverted?

This is my first time at COIN and I am feeling extremely overwhelmed with the whole procedure. Dr. Universe (talk) 00:54, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

A concensus is reached pretty much the same it's reached for any other page as described in

WP:BLANKING, but it will be assumed that they've seen the template and understand it if they do. If you're talking about adding a template to an article talk page, then anybody can pretty much do that as well. The template remains in place as long as it's still applicable I guess and whether that takes five years, ten years, or a hundred years is anybody's guess. Again there are lots of different types of templates; so, it's hard to give a more specific answer without know which template and which page you're referring to. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:50, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks so much Marchjuly! I didn't see the reply right away because there was no @Ping to me. The templates I'm wondering about are the ones that go on the article talk pages after COIN consensus is reached, for example it would say "There is reason to believe that the following users have a conflict-of-interest with this articles: MarchJuly, Dr. Universe, etc." When a COIN consensus ends, if it's determined that someone has a COI, who adds those templates to the article's talk pages? Dr. Universe (talk) 02:21, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

Hey I noticed that you reverted my edit where I removed my question about how the 14 days works. Actually the user named "possibly" said that this question was mistakenly put at the top of COIN, but that's not actually true: I was asking about that specific COIN posting which had started on 14 May and was still open even though I thought that it would be closed 14 days later (28 May). The one where user "possibly" moved the conversation was to, was started on 31 May or something like that. Dr. Universe (talk) 02:28, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

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WP:COI and problems are likely to develop when the edits being made only create more suspicion. -- Marchjuly (talk) 03:01, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks so much Marchjuly! Yes I would like to be pinged because I'm still getting familiar with the watchlist. I've clicked "watch" on several articles but never got notifications or pings when people edited those articles, and only recently I discovered that there's a separate watchlist page that I'd have to click "refresh" on every time I want it to get updated. I thought maybe I'd get notifications when people edit something I "watched".

About the comments that Possibly moved from one COIN discussion to another, I think it was totally a mistake (or an attempt to get the archiving of the other discussion not get further delayed). There was an article created on 14 May which I thought should be archived by now since 14 days have passed, so I asked why it was still there. By asking that question there, I delayed the archiving by another 14 days (which you taught me!) so maybe he wanted to move my comment to a newer discussion. He wrote that I "mistakenly" asked the question at the top of the COIN page, but actually I was just replying inside the specific discussion I was asking about (I didn't know that this would delay archiving for another 14 days, since I thought it would be archived 14 days after the discussion starts, because on AfD the timeline starts when the AfD was opened, not when the last comment was made).

Thanks, I will try to contribute to some articles outside my area, but for the most part I was only contributing to articles that were in my very specific area, or fixing grammar mistakes or minor issues with whitespaces before citations on whatever articles I was reading at the time. Recently I started contributing to AfD discussions, but you have to understand that this is not what I do full-time (it seems like some people here like Possibly are working full-time on Wikipedia but I'm actually doing other things for the most part and only contribute here when I'm reading an article that happens to have grammar issues, or when in my spare time I'm adding more substantial material about very specific areas I'm interested in). Thanks again for explaining everything in so much detail !!! I'm going to read those articles you hyperlinked! Dr. Universe (talk) 16:16, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

WP:ATA for some ideas on how to productively participate in AfD discussion and avoid some common mistakes that are often made by those you do participate in them. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:50, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

A pie for you!

As I clicked publish on a response to you on that talk page, I edit-conflicted with the admin deleting the file, so I just wanted to stop by and say I appreciate all the time you put into assisting them and other editors — when I was first starting out a few months ago, you actually answered quite a few of my media questions and were an enormous help. Sorry for the time you spent this time around. DanCherek (talk) 22:25, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi DanCherek. I saw that the file and it's talk page had been deleted. I was going to try and post something on your use talk just in case you didn't see my last reply. Anyway, I can do so here now. FWIW, the deleting administrator (

WP:NFILM and I don't speak Persian (Farsi) and thus can't really assess the sources. You can ask about it at a WikiProject if you like, but the only real contributor was Khadempour322; so, the G5 criteria also probably apply just as it did to the other pages the account created. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:34, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

The individual in question is a

WP:DENY. -FASTILY 22:41, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks to you both. Also, their articles are straight machine translations of existing fawiki articles — putting fa:مطرب_(فیلم_۱۳۹۷) through Google Translate returns the exact text of The Singer (film) — so I don't feel too bad about any future article creators starting from scratch with the fawiki version remaining as a reference. DanCherek (talk) 22:46, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Fastily and DanCherek. "So let it be written, so let it be done". -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:50, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

Apology

Hey Marchjuly, I just wanna let you know I sincerely apologize for my disruptive edits in the Michael E. Rodgers article. I now know edit warring isn’t the right thing to resolve this issue, but now since you two started a discussion on the talk page, and will follow it for now on. Again, I am sorry. 2600:1000:B053:8F4A:A8EE:78BF:3F3E:5B85 (talk) 23:17, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for the apology, but other editors were more involved in the dispute with you than I was. If you're faced with a similar situation in the future, I suggest you try and follow

adminsitrator assistance; another option would've been for you to strikethrough you're original comment, and then post something new and civil explaining why. As for the article itself, you're welcome to continue to participate in the discussion currently taking place on the article's talk page. Trying to address your concerns through discussion will most likely led to result that works best for everyone involved, but should at least work best for Wikipedia. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:32, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

Advice

Hello. I saw your excellent advice on uploading a sports team logo. May I pick your brain as to how to do this correctly. I've found a logo for s defunct team, the Richmond Roosters that I'd like to upload with the typical wording for use of a logo as representative. There seems to be solid precedent, but I've not done this before and wish to do it right the first-time. Can I ask for your advice on how to proceed?! Thanks in advance.Gonzaga15 (talk) 17:16, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

not satisfying even just one of those criteria means the file's use as a whole isn't policy compliant.

In addition to the sourcing issue, you might want to try and add reliably sourced content about the team's branding to the article if possible. Using a logo like this in he main infobox is usually enough, but the case for non-free use will be furthered strengthened if you can more directly connect the logo to content about the team's branding in the article. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:07, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you so much! I found a template for doing it and thought I did it reasonably well. I'll add your additional thoughts to the logo aand hope that will serve as appropriate support. I appreciate the detailed response. Truly.Gonzaga15 (talk) 00:41, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

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WP:MCQ after posting here. That's OK, but generally it's not a good idea to try and discuss the same thing on multiple pages at once because it can create confusion. I wasn't aware of your MCQ post when I posted my reply above, but now it's probably better to continue any discussion about the image there because it makes it easier for others to participate. When you post a request for help, the reply might not immediately come for any number of reasons, none of which mean anything bad. So, if you do ask someone for help, it's probably a good idea to let them know that you sought assistance elsewhere as a courtesy. There are very few things on Wikipedia which require an immediate response or immediate action be taken; so, sometimes you just need to be a bit patient. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:00, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. New to this and trying to play nice. Appreciate the insights!Gonzaga15 (talk) 01:02, 13 June 2021 (UTC)