User talk:Marchjuly/Archives/2016/December

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Looking for input

Hi there, I was wondering if you would be willing to share your input here on these files at FFD. Thank you! Jon Kolbert (talk) 20:09, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

AfD for Donnie Hogan

Hi, Marchjuly, I just wanted to let you know I removed the BALLOT tag from the Donnie Hogan AfD. This really does not seem to be the issue here. Thanks... reddogsix (talk)}

No problem. I saw that an IP was also commenting there, but didn't realize until I saw the COIN thread that it's probably the same editor who just forgot to log in. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:14, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

MIX5

--Pipera (talk) 10:25, 18 December 2016 (UTC)- pipera

Re: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIX5

I have removed the speedy deletion from this because the person was causing mischief by adding this just 5 minutes after I created the page. This is totally unreasonable and not cool. I have expanded the article. I also don't appreciate this kind of treatment here at Wikipedia when someone is just pouncing on just created articles and content and slapping a speedy deletion on these articles. I would suggest you wait at least a day before acting in this manner in future as not to offend people simply wishing to add legitimate articles and content to this site. This is unacceptable and bulling to say the least. I have been a member here since 2001. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pipera (talk • contribs) 19:31, 18 December 2016 (UTC+9) (UTC)

Hi Pipera. Please try to
nominated for deletion. It might be a good idea for you to ask for assistance with this at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Latin music
to see if someone in that WikiProject can offer you advice on how to find better sources for the article.
Finally, please try to
sign your posts after your talk page comments (not before) because it help other know who posted what and when and follow Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines. -- Marchjuly (talk
) 10:40, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

--Pipera (talk) 05:47, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

--Pipera

They are only a new group just created I will on coming days add more content to the page, I will talk to the people and seek assistance. --Pipera (talk) 10:46, 18 December 2016 (UTC)Pipera

User:Pipera - Please explain your comment "I will talk to the people and seek assistance." Robert McClenon (talk) 23:54, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
You should not remove templates from articles you have created yourself. An administrator will review the comment you added to the article's talk page and decide what to do. Since you say you've been a member of Wikipedia since 2001, you are not
WP:ANI
. Continuing to do what you have been doing, however, is going to be seen as edit warring and likely going to lead to an administrator being asked to get involved.
Since the band is a new group, it is possible that it might be
reliable sources. Adding colorful tables, etc. may make an article look nice, but that does nothing towards establishing Wikipedia notability. -- Marchjuly (talk
) 11:00, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

pipera I was asked to contact the Latin part of Wikipedia to expand the article of which I was talking about, I have no idea where you got the idea I was working for them. To the point I wish that I never placed this page here you know about 5 minutes later it was listed for speedy deletion by yourself. You could have waited at least a day before placing this tag on the site but you did within 5 or so minutes of the pages assistance, So I ask you to remove the speedy deletion tag and let the article well exist. I also find it difficult to understand why you have an objection to the page being here in the first place considering I have visited pages with less that this on it and they have never had a speedy deletion tag attached? --Pipera (talk) 05:47, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi Pipera. First of all, please add your
WP:BAND. -- Marchjuly (talk
) 06:29, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

WP:FFD

I didn't want to drop the participation matter, but I've left no choice but to do so. I was thinking about creating the RfC feedback on the process. However, I'm unsure whether this helps. --George Ho (talk) 06:35, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi George Ho. I'm sorry, but this does not ring a bell for me and my bell tends to be easily rung. Would you mind providing a link to the relevant discussion so that I can refresh my memory? -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:12, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
Here you go:
WT:FFD#Insufficient participation in discussions? (diff, just in case). --George Ho (talk
) 08:12, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for the link, but not sure what more can be done other than what was suggested there. An RfC might help, but, then again, quite a number of people commented in the RfCs to merge
WP:PUF into FFD, but not many ended participating in relevant discussion after those merges were completed. So, basically multiple pages of backlogs of file-related discussions were combined together into a single page with one big backlog of file related discussions without a corresponding increase of participation in said discussions. Not sure what the solution is and don't think there's ever going to be a way to keep up with the number of file's being upload without (1) direct action from the WMF and (2) a more stringent review policy for new files being uploaded. There are simply too many files and too few editors interested in file related matters. -- Marchjuly (talk
) 08:28, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
I started the RfC on feedback. George Ho (talk) 08:57, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

African Union flag removal

Okay, I am kind of new on Wikipedia, but - I see for some reason that you have removed the file of Flag of African Union in article Flags of Africa. In fact, looking at the revision history, you have done this three times before.

.. Why? In what capacity a publicly displayed flag, in an article whose entire point is showcasing flags of Africa is not meeting these criteria? Especially since said file is already being used on main article for African Union, and its own article in Flag of African Union?

If the file itself is the problem - then it's a bigger problem than just this one article, since, again, it's used in several articles.

I'm sorry, I'm new so sorry if I misunderstand something fundamental, but I don't get what is so specific about this flag as compared to all the others in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shinobody (talk • contribs) 06:54, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi
non-free use rationale
is required for each use of a non-free file.
You added the flag to the article, but you did not add the required non-free use rationale. In some cases, this can be simply fixed by adding the appropriate rationale for the desired usage, and I would've done that if a valid rationale could be written. The problem is that the intended use of the flag in the article is considered "decorative" since it would not be the subject or any sourced commentary within article and would not be used as the primary means of identifying the subject of the article. For public domain or freely licensed files, this is not such a big deal; for non-free files, however, this type of usage is not typically allowed per
WP:NFC#UUI
. So, that is why the file is linked to and not displayed in the list article.
This application of Wikipedia's non-free content use policy is pretty consistent across other "list of flag" articles, but if you would like the opinion of others you can ask at
noticeboards I mentioned above just as a precaution before trying to convert the licensing yourself. -- Marchjuly (talk
) 07:50, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Rectified

Thanks. I have rectified the error and made it normal. — Preceding

talk • contribs
) 08:03, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

That's good
Saikirantangirala. Now just please try to remember to sign your posts so that there's no need for SineBot to do it for you. -- Marchjuly (talk
) 09:50, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

Merry, merry!

From the icy Canajian north; to you and yours! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 19:25, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

Thank you. Happy Holidays to you as well. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:27, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

DavidSmythe CV

Hello Marchjuly Thank-you for your helpful comments - and sorry if I'm replying in the wrong place. On reading your message I agree with you that writing an autobiography (or, in my case, a professional CV) is not necessarily a good thing. In any case, as I've pointed out in my reply to Dodger67, I am not (quite) notable enough as an academic, even though I did once hold a named professorial chair at an ancient major university. I only did the CV as an exercise in writing my first wiki article. I am happy to have the draft never published. Also, you are correct about my using my real name (naïvely believing in transparency and honesty) - so I'll apply for a change. Yours David DavidSmythe (talk) 10:20, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi DavidSmythe. It's OK that you replied here, but in general it's best to simply reply on same page as the other person's post. This makes it easier for others to follow the discussion without having to jump back and forth between pages. FWIW, I think it's commendable to be transparent and honest, but the Internet can sometimes be quite harsh towards those who choose to do so. As for Wikipedia notability, unfortunately Wikipedia notability is not something we can either give to a subject or take away from a subject. Subjects which have received
Steps for engagement". -- Marchjuly (talk
) 10:35, 25 December 2016 (UTC)
DavidSmythe For the sake of your privacy, it's probably a good idea to delete your sandbox draft sooner rather than later. See my earlier reply to you at my talk page, if someone picks it up and decides to run with it the result might not be kind to you. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 08:51, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Croatia National Football Team

Regarding [1], can you explain me what is difference in Copyright between logo od Croatian national football team and other european national football teams?! -Jure Grm, 29. day of December in Year of Our Lord Twotousandandsixteenth, at 14:27 o'clock. —Preceding undated comment added 14:27, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi
WP:NFCCE
.
There is another different reason as well. The non-free use of this particular file had been previously discussed at
WP:FFD
and the results of these discussion has typically been the same in principle: OK for national federation articles, but not OK for individual team articles.
As for the other logos of other football teams and there use in articles, it all depends on the particulars of each file's licensing. Some of the files may have been released under a
WP:CONLEVEL
.
Having written all of that, I can say the application of UUI17 to certain types of file usage, including files related to national football teams, is something that has been discussed as recently as
WP:CLOSECHALLENGE
. If they are willing to reconsider their positions, then I have no objections. You can also nominate the file for discussion at WP:FFD and try and establish a new consensus for its non-free use by seeing what the community in general has to say. In either case, I wouldn't recommend simply saying the other team articles have logos so the Croatian team one should have one too because that line of reasoning is unlikely to be accepted based upon what I wrote above about "other files being used in a similar way". A better approach is to simply try and explain how the use of this particular file in Croatian team article satisfies relevant policy. I would not suggest simply trying to force the image into the article by repeatedly re-adding it without attempting discussion because that is eventually going to be seen as disruptive.
I apologize for the long response. I was not trying to write something that is
WP:MCQ. -- Marchjuly (talk
) 22:29, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
Thank you for such a long and precise answer and thank you for suggestion for reconsidering positions of some users or nominating file for discussion, but I realy don't have enough time and nerves for this useless process in many things on this Wikipedia. -Jure Grm, 30. day of December in Year of Our Lord Twotousandandsixteenth, at 21:02 o'clock. —Preceding undated comment added 21:02, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
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