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I'm reading through your proposal at the moment (well, to be pedantic, I'm typing this message, but you know what I mean

) 20:34, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

I know what you're after, and I agree its needed, but the mechanics is little too complicated. I ned to do some thinking about mechanism. DGG (talk) 03:38, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm not quite sure what you changed here, but you seem to have accidentally make a second copy of the entire talk page text! Jakew (talk) 13:00, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I just overwrote your summary in Survivor: Micronesia. I saw you revert the anonymous editor in the history and I thought that was the edit conflict I was ignoring. I've restored your version. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 04:31, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

No worries :) but feel free to edit to taste, your version captured some details I didn't mention. --MASEM 04:33, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Okay. I'll do a comparison and see what the differences are. Sorry about that. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 04:38, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

How is that merging of your summary with mine? If it was too slanted towards mine, feel free to put it back. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 04:56, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

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Ok, a bit of realism here :) Your proposed amendment to

will never gain consensus simply because many editors will never agree with anything prescriptive in a page that is "policy" rather than "guideline". An amendment is surely needed, however, because it would finally speed up the removal of information that should be removed but is currently stuck in Wiki limbo.

The problem, I think, is that the current policy on

is precisely that it focuses on plots too much. Information like the weight of random comic book characters is not plot information, yet should fall under this very same policy of what Wikipedia is not.

The largest amendment one can get into

to make the existing policy cover not only the plot, but also "in-depth descriptions of the content of the work" as you put it. What about:

"Plot summaries. Wikipedia articles on published works (such as fictional stories) should contain real-world context and sourced analysis, offering detail on a work's development and historical significance, not solely a detailed summary of that work's plot or in-depth descriptions of the content of the work. This applies to both stand-alone works and series. A concise plot summary is appropriate as part of the larger coverage of a fictional work."

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I am well aware that "plot summaries" some take literally, some take more broadly, which is why I've been trying to suggest a wording that is more broad "the content of a published work", which includes characters, setting, etc, in addition to plot. Of course, I don't see it taking much hold right now, but I don't want to push it -- I want to see how it goes. --MASEM 15:32, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

I think the wording "content" is in fact the first step towards finding something that might be generally acceptable. It also has the advantage that it no longer applies applies article by article but topic by topic, whether in one or more articles. As a guide to finding consensus on this and FICT, I recognize that we fiction maximalists will not get a wording of these that requires in-depth coverage, but the minimalists should also recognize that they will not get consensus on one that excludes in-depth coverage. If it's not left open, there will not be consensus. Whichever side one thinks is in the majority, the minority is too strong. DGG (talk) 20:37, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

I've not been around for a while, but great job on

09:35, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

If you have a chance, could you take a look at

) 16:07, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the copyedit. I'm tied up at

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) 21:47, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

For all of the wonderfully comprehensive and quality edits to pages of interest to me. Also, you should update the masem.wordpress.com to gaming.masemware.com in your blog info. A great site as well. Hotsauce750 (talk) 21:17, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

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Hey Masem. In case you haven't found it already, I have created a new article on all the characters in the Saints Row series, which can be found here. It may be messy and is image-less, so I was wonderin' of you'd like to help out a little with the page? Maybe upload some images, write some stuff down about the characters, edit typos etc. I have not included any references because the only sourced I used for the article was my own knowledge. So perhaps you could get some more detailed info and reference it? I know the article may be a 'stub' and may feel a bit 'unnecassary' at this point of time, but maybe in a little while we could succeed in creating a very decent article? I mean, there's List of characters in the GTA series articles, so why shouldn't the SR series get one too? Thanks again, and I have left a few messages on the actual article itself so that you'll know it's still under construction. Tentimesone (talk) 23:46, 15 May 2008 (UTC)Tentimesone

Per your suggestion on the AfD's, I've created a skeleton draft for the Half-Life locations here. If you want to help me build it, that would be great. -- Sabre (talk) 12:01, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

With regard to the discussion you have been participating in at

) 22:02, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Aperture Wiki, we edit what we must because we can

It really should be a "HL universe" list, given that we've got to throw Portal into the mix. For example,

) 17:02, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Agreed, though given the nature of how Portal fits to HL (developers have stated there's connections), it could be "series". As long as it's consistent its not aproblem. --MASEM 17:33, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

I consider Portal to be a

gaiden series to Half-Life: Black Mesa gets mentioned in the credits of Portal (and I think near the end), and Aperture gets mentioned in the penultimate chapter of HL2E2. Sceptre ^(talk

) 17:36, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Wikicookie

Fan

17:33, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

No

This way works better- Have it so that

) 01:12, 24 May 2008 (UTC)Tentimesone

Now all I need is for somebody like this dude: 147.240.236.9 to turn the new Saints Row series article into a good one. And you can help too, remember that you are writing about the series, and its history etc....

FYI...

Trying to get a conversation started in a better spot... User talk:72.192.18.169#New_tables_on_Survivor:_Micronesia_and_Survivor:_China. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 07:33, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

I was looking through some different GH lists and saw you've started to include a gameplay description each time. I have a feeling we could trim that information frmo the song list (since it's really a song list and not a gameplay article) and instead linke to

22:16, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

VG Guidelines

Hey there. There was a recent discussion on the VG guidelines talk page about the guidelines. Overall, the content of the guidelines has strong consensus. But a few people thought the guidelines had grown cluttered and disorganized, even if their purpose and meaning are rock solid. I put together a new layout at my user page. My goal was to keep the meaning the same, but to improve the clarity and organization of the guidelines.

I've contacted you because I've noticed that you've been around long enough to have taken part in many discussions about these guidelines and probably have the most experience with them. I was hoping you could take a quick look and tell me your gut reaction so far. If there's any areas where you think I'm way off and need to change to be closer to what we have now, or if there's areas where you think I can make further progress. After I've tried to tackle your feedback, I hope to put the proposal to the larger wikiproject.

Take a look when you find a minute. And reply directly at my talk page. Randomran (talk) 22:34, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

• Thanks for getting back to me. I definitely see an overlap between what I'm doing and guyinblack. I almost contacted him as well, and I definitely will now that you've pointed out that he's working on a related update. But I was more concerned about improving the guidelines for the purpose of using them in discussions (especially AFDs). A lot of people either don't read the guidelines, don't respect them, or miss important information because of how their laid out. Do you think I'm going about a clean-up the right way, or do you think guyinblack can actually serve a better purpose on this front? Randomran (talk) 16:53, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the revisions. They're definitely improvements all around. I noticed that you added the proposed guidelines from WP:Notability (fiction). I haven't had time to follow this proposal. Have you been following this debate closely? Randomran (talk) 21:13, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

I've decided to watchlist the proposed fiction guideline. But you'd be doing me a favor if you dropped me a message should there be a major discussion milestone, be it a dispute or a vote to accept the proposed guidelines. I'm going to have less free time in the near future, but I'm still interested in making sure there's a sensible outcome on these guidelines. Randomran (talk) 21:26, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

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I have removed your addtional footnote regarding commentaries that you added to the section

Works of Fiction

, on the grounds that qualifying this section with a footnote invalidates the whole meaning of the sentence.

However I agree with you that commentary and interviews of the author, directors or publishers cannot be classed as a

reliable secondary source

for the purposes of establishing notability, and so I have taken out the sentence to which the footnote is directed. I don't believe primary sources like DVD commentary have ever been accepted as evidence of notability.

The sentences I have removed are as follows:

Such sources can include creators' commentary and interviews regarding the work or topic, bearing in mind the restrictions if the work is

self-published

.While DVD commentary and interviews can often provide appropriate development information and some plot analysis, editors should be cautioned that these types of sources, alone, are not sufficient to demonstrate notability, as it fails to meet "significant" coverage.

I believe this to be agreeable to you. I think that DVD commentaries are probably best dealt with by

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Crackdown.

I'll try to copyedit it soon. ·

09:09, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Okay; I assume you can handle the rest, then? Because I've four other requests to copyedit (...I've really gotten popular recently, no idea why :P). ·

AndonicO ^Engage.

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I appreciate your involvement, as U-Mos seems unwilling to actually look a the edits he is reverting, as I have pointed out politely numerous times in his usertalk space. I will wait until discussion is concluded before editing the article further. If I may impose upon you to keep an eye on the situation for a bit, it would be mightily appreciated. - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 20:01, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

I thought I would point out that while I am following your request to not edit-war,

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Accidentally blocked myself

I accidentally blocked myself trying to block a vandal - per unblock, I need a unblock despite my error if any admin is reading this, thanks. --MASEM 02:49, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Actually you really could unblock yourself. Per the blocking policy, "If a block is the result of an unambiguous error and not a judgment call (for example, if the blocking administrator obviously misspelled a username)... then it is not necessary to discuss prior to unblocking." Also note that the bit about unblocking oneself says "almost never," not never. And, of course, IAR states that when something is as obvious and inconsequential as unblocking yourself after an accidental block, the strict letter of the rules isn't really important. Anyway, it doesn't really matter, since MBisanz seems to have unblocked already. --Rory096 03:14, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

I was just being careful (first time I did that), and rather go through the proper channels, but now I know better. Thanks. --MASEM 03:19, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi, Masem. Is there something you can do or someone you can notify to handle Wingefric who likely came from IP 81.149.60.112? As you can see from the contributions, they are only to spam links to a site. I have issued level 4 warnings and raised the issue at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Spam, but it seems like there is a very large backlog there. Jappalang (talk) 11:17, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Hello Masem. Another editor and I have found ourselves in a civilized disagreement regarding your video game naming convention, specifically in regards to Ninja Gaiden II. He interprets your instructions to require that the name be "Ninja Gaiden II (2008 video game)". I believe that your instructions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Video_games/Article_guidelines/Naming) state that, the words "video game" are optional and used when necessary for disambiguation, and the name should simply be "Ninja Gaiden II (2008)", as there is no possibility that someone searching for Ninja Gaiden II will be looking for something other than the video game. My apologies if pestering you with these types of questions is not the preferred channel for such things, but I'm learning as I go. What's the verdict oh wise one? DeKreeft27 (talk) 1:15, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Given that there is presently no conflict with any other article named Ninja Gaiden II that I'm aware of, the article should actually be there, instead of at any disambiguation. If there is a reason for that addition, (2008 video game) would be preferred. --MASEM 00:45, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

I have apologized at

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Please see my reply at WQA: I accept the apology and apologize for any further inconvenience. I did not ask you to stop posting, and though the tone did calm down, I attribute that to resolution that the current version is going nowhere.

However, I do think it is worthwhile to run a !vote poll like as was done with the C-Class assessment scale, possibly getting it on the watchlist notification, to once and for all determine which side we have to balance on. If it is in favor of loose restrictions on fiction articles, then we can talk about specific cases per your fill-in-the-blank idea. But with people like Gavin that are going to fight any of those immediately, I think we need the metric where FICT stands at a large scale before trying to add something that will meet a lot of resistance. --MASEM 05:28, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

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You tend to follow the music game songlists pretty well, and have done some good work to get them into quality articles. So I'm wondering if you could take a look at this discussion over in the RB songlits if you have some time. I admit I've gotten a bit heated in regards to this, but it's due more to an overall frustration with the lack of continuity in what is considered reliable between all the different songs lists. I'll likely ask a few other regular editors for opinions on this. Thanks! -- TRTX ^{T / C} 17:20, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Since the nomination, I have found articles that deal exclusively with the Titans, such as this one. I also added an out of universe section on

05:02, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh well. You keep on editing the box for Guitar Hero series. You know that the second category is Console Ripoffs. A sequel is called a "ripoff". 31Gabe (talk) 8:10 PM, 21 June 2008 (PST)

"Ripoff" is a derogatory term for when content is typically heavily borrowed from a different developer for a game - as it "rips off" that game. Games developed by the same developers, by default, cannot be ripoffs. --MASEM 03:15, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Might I ask why the sequel section I had started on the Dead Rising page had been deleted? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nathan de USA (talk • contribs) 18:33, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

You need to provide a

reliable source that the sequel has been announced. Just saying what you did is not sufficient. --MASEM

18:48, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

My mistake, I recall reading it in a Electronic Gaming Monthly issue, but have been unable to locate the article on thier website. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nathan de USA (talk • contribs) 02:27, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

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If we dontt actually use refs from blogs, why start now.

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It's a blog that ultimately cites a magazine. It would be great to actually have that magazine as the reference, and should be fixed at some point. It is different from a blog stating a song will be present without any other source information. --MASEM 16:12, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Okay.

Gears Of War

16:14, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Image:Guitar hero world tour guit.jpg

Hey Masem, I have a few questionsa about this image(most of them concerns).

1. I'm not to familiar with the website you got the image from(so correct me if i'm wrong)but is that a reliable source.
2. Next, the official image hasn't even been posted on the official Guitar Hero website. Which means I concerned with wether or not the image is even offcial.

Just thought I should tell you a couple of my concerns.

15:26, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

The image (with a water mark) was shown on the IGN website in their preview of the game; Kotaku likely either got a press kit that included it or it was stripped off it, but either way, it's still based on IGN's report of the new guitar. --MASEM 15:32, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

I have uploaded Image:Instruments.jpg to replace the other two images.

Gears Of War

00:43, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

FICT

I'd be happy to provide comments.

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Template:WikiProject Video games

I don't know if you've been keeping an eye on Template talk:WikiProject Video games (I assume you have), but would you mind implementing User:Kariteh/Sandbox? It does everything we want it to do, including the automatic sorting of articles by namespace. The only issue is, non-mainspace articles don't display "This article has been rated Category-Class on the assessment scale". This is an aesthetic issue which doesn't affect mainspace articles, so I don't think it's a big deal. I have asked for assistance on this particular issue from several sources, including the village pump, with no luck. As it is more useful to have the correct categories automatically assigned then to have the wrong non-existent Category:Unassessed Video games articles assigned and the correct class mentioned (if that makes sense), I'd like to go live with it. Any issues with aesthetics can be worked out later. JohnnyMrNinja 15:45, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

NM, it's been done. Thanks! JohnnyMrNinja 09:45, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

I just added several pictures about the game.

Have fun yelling "Rock Out" LOL. :p SYSS Mouse (talk) 16:09, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing my botched edit on Wikipedia Talk:Notability. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 19:09, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

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Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised because even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the

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GH:A

After thouroly searching through the history of GH:Aerosmith, I think that the page should be semi-protected, just enough time for editors to fix the things the vandals worked so hard to destroy, what do you think?

11:16, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

FICT

To be honest, there really isn't a difference between "four weeks" and "one month" - I thought the RFC was running for the former. I really don't see what keeping it open for two more days will do... Sceptre ^(talk) 14:44, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. I don't believe the consensus will improve at this point... ZeroGiga (talk) 01:29, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

thanks very much for your help with Spore (2008 video game) just now. Still not sure what happened with deletion. it's good to have your help. thanks. --Steve, Sm8900 (talk) 15:27, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

At what point do you think we can say "here are enough proposals to consider", and put together a page for centralized discussion of these proposals? You seem to have more experience in this area, so I defer to your expertise. Randomran (talk) 22:04, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

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I'm really excited dude. I am so excited. If GHA become a GA, that will be the first article I helped premote to GA status. I'm so excited I just peed on myself(not really). I hope it passes.

(Gears of War) 23:15, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Hey. Things are moving slow with the implementation of an RFC page. I'm comfortable working in parallel on both of our RFC pages until we find something that people feel good about. We'll get there, slowly but surely.

The main concern about my RFC proposal , as it stands now, is its readability. The people who like my RFC proposal like that the discussion picks up from where we stalled now (at trying to gain consensus for a compromise) rather than starting the discussion over at a broad level. But they also agree there are just too many proposed compromises to deal with. (And the proposals are all quite a lot to read!)

I'm not sure that we're even going to go with my RFC proposal. But I'd like to remove

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Not to be a pest. But

WP:POSTPONE from the RFC until some later date. That would help to improve the readability of the centralized discussion page, and improve our focus on the two main issues. Hope you can find a minute! Randomran (talk

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Hey Masem, I need some advice on something, do you have a PSP?

(Gears of War) 13:46, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes. --MASEM 14:13, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Well I'm about to get one today, and I wanted to know: What two games should I buy with it?

Rock

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Hi Masem. I thought I would bring your attention to my response to your comment at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (television)#Season article naming since it was a rather long delay before I responded! Let me know if you have any thoughts. Cheers, Paul Erik ^{(talk)(contribs)} 21:45, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

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Hey noticed you put

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At worst, I would cite it as the insert as part of the magazine using the standard {{cite news}} template. If possible, look to see if you can figure out who published it and when, and use that for the template. --MASEM 21:14, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

They are both published by Future US. The main thing that confuses me is the page numbering. The mini-mag has its own page numbers (1–12), while the magazine stops at page 56 right before the insert and continues at page 69 after the insert. But the insert is not mentioned in the table of contents. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 22:52, 25 July 2008 (UTC))

Can you provide all the basic details here (not as a template)? I'll work out something to be used as a source (as that would help get GH:Mobile to a GA) --MASEM 23:10, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Cell Play, January 2008, "Guitar Hero Mobile"/"Interview: Producer JJ Lechleiter on Squeezing Epic Sound Into Your Mobile", p 10, Future plc

PlayStation: The Official Magazine, January 2008, Issue 2, p 66, Future US

Here's the info. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 16:03, 27 July 2008 (UTC))

I would use the following: {{cite news | title = Guitar Hero Mobile Interview: Product JJ Lechleiter on Squeezing Epic Sound Into Your Mobile | pages = 10 | publisher = [[Future US]] | work = Cell Play | date = January 2008}}

which comes out on the ref line as: "Guitar Hero Mobile Interview: Product JJ Lechleiter on Squeezing Epic Sound Into Your Mobile". Cell Play. Future US. January 2008. p. 10.

--MASEM 16:37, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Content added. You may want to massage the text some since I'm completely unfamiliar with the mobile game. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 22:52, 28 July 2008 (UTC))

The article looks be pretty fleshed out now with the images and new content. You want to put it up for GAN? I doubt it would fail in its current state. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 14:46, 31 July 2008 (UTC))

I had already put it up a couple days ago. :-) --MASEM 14:55, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Duh, I just noticed that. :-p You're just too fast to keep up with Masem. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 15:57, 31 July 2008 (UTC))

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Thanks for all your efforts to organize this RFC. I agree with you that the centralized discussion page looks almost ready. Would you care to fix the lead and add the "additional comments" section you were talking about? Maybe it could use one more copy-edit too. Also, I have zero clue how to get this added to peoples' watchlist notifications. I definitely think it should be, seeing as it was a hot topic only a few weeks ago, and everyone was keen to weigh in. I don't think I can finish the next step by myself... Randomran (talk) 16:10, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

The watchlist page is at MediaWiki:Watchlist-details, but I have already posted on its talk page to see what the right steps are for doing this. I'll do the fixes in a moment here on your draft to have the additional comments sections. --MASEM 22:40, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing up the centralized discussion page. (And thanks for your review of the images in the 4X article!) I feel like the RFC is almost ready, but I can't help but feel like we haven't given people enough context for the debate, and that we could be more consistent with the terminology. Maybe I'm just being paranoid. What do you think? Are we close to being ready? Randomran (talk) 02:14, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Think it's too late to add another proposal? I know the other proposals had at least marginal support. This one is really just a unilateral suggestion. But it's pretty on topic. Check out

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I'm going to be taking a trip for the rest of the week and I might not be around to check wikipedia as often. At least, not to do any detailed work. So if push comes to shove and the RFC is ready to go, wait until Sunday. I'd just prefer to be around when the thing launches. Randomran (talk) 22:40, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for holding off... taking a look at the latest draft of the RFC, I think the proposals could use one more copyedit to simplify the language and be more clear and consistent. There's also a discussion about adding yet another proposal, which I think is unnecessary... see the talk page at my userspace. (User:Randomran/test) What do you think? Randomran (talk) 06:03, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

That mostly looks good to me - I wasn't sure if the conditional syntax for templates could successfully parse an article title automatically or not. If they can, that would obviously be more effective, but I've no idea if it's possible to code.

The other look that might be nice is one mirroring the Citizendium tabs. Like on [2] - the delineated tabs I like.

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Fair enough. I like your solution then. :)

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Hi. I reviewed your GA Nom for

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Looks good. I promoted it. :) Intothewoods29 (talk) 00:14, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Okay I noticed you added sales numbers(damn you good at this), and also the series is now a FTC! So now, after the peer review is over, will GH:A be ready to go through a FAN?

2 17:00, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

The guidelines for Wikipedia:Peer review ask that editors nominate no more than one article per day (and four total at any one time). While the rules say that one of the requests can be removed, I will let it slide since this is the first time. You are also limited to four open requests at PR at one time - you now have at least three. Take care, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 00:46, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

I was told about that by someone who has the Stuff magazine. On there website it just mentions about how their new magazine has exclusive stuff. As for Misery Business and No Sleep Till Brooklyn, you here No Sleep Till Brooklyn when they select their characters and see the word Misery Business no they're going through the list to Hot For Teacher.--Unknownsage13 (talk) 00:42, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

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You don't think the gameplay section is a little too ... long and detailed?

I was thinking along the lines of a {{plot}} tag, but for gameplay.

I don't mind either way necessarily (came across article through linking); just thought it was a little too detailed.

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I have fixed some of the problems noted in the peer review for

2 14:09, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi I have a somewhat of a concern about the Resistance 2 article I noticed that some edits have caused it to be somewhat of a mess and not to par for a wikipedia article, and I tried to fix it but those who have been editing it seem pretty adament about keeping the information which to me seem excesive, unsourced and questionable to say the least. I don't want to risk starting an edit war, so I was wondering since your an administrator if you could help me bring the article back up to par without starting and edit war, if you can't I understand.Deus257 (talk) 00:21, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Why did you place a deletion tag on the article

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Would you like?

..to help me write

X

16:39, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

I won't be able to help for a while, but I can offer some suggestions on how to approach it that may be useful. In particular, I would look more towards how Guitar Hero (the series article) is laid out for this compared to the Crazy Taxi one, if only because while the gameplay in Crazy Taxi remained pretty much constant, the gameplay in NFS has varied over the title releases, and thus it may make sense to introduce the games as "eras" or the like, not getting too much into the detail of each game (that's what the articles on the games themselves are for) but the changes over the years. It may make sense to first find as much development and related information related to the series that you can first, as this will help guide how you can build up the article. If, as with Guitar Hero, you can describe the way the series has developed coarsely over the years via changes in developer, intent, etc, then it makes sense to approach it this way. If you can't, then maybe the Crazy Taxi style is better. This is also true about the general reception - I would expect you'll find reviews that state how the newer games compare to the latter, though I doubt you'll be able to get as large a cultural reception section as Guitar Hero has. --MASEM 17:42, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

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Hello, i just remove this image from 3 articles. We can take a free image of this controller, that why fair use is not need. We v got images on Commons about On Tour, but im requesting better images, and maybe soon we will have nice free images. Ill contact you when its done. bayo 09:03, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Hello. I request 2 images on Flickr. Im waiting another images but at the moment i have no reply. I upload it on Commons, if you want to use it.

Image:Nintendo DS Guitar Grip - 2625601134.jpg

Image:Nintendo DS Guitar Grip - 2625594060.jpg —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bayo (talk • contribs) 17:20, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

I responded to your concern about the image

14:59, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

I responded again.--

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16:09, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Hey -- I was just running through the first few paragraphs. I'll keep going, though I seem to be off kilter tonight, as I'm being tripped up on a few points. — Deckiller 00:20, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Sorry to hijack this post... Masem, I have made another suggestion for the article on its talk page (regarding the Character sub-section). I did not directly edit the article as I feel that major changes would go better if they are under the approval of the nominator (thus avoiding unintentional conflicts). Please take a look and integrate it (with any changes) if it is agreeable. Jappalang (talk) 11:57, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

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Hi! You might be interested in the discussion at

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Hi, how are you doing? That isn't the question but I thought to introduce myself before I make a request. My name is William.--WillC 20:55, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Well my request is this, if you have time and the ability, would you like to work with me on TNA Impact! (video game), I would like to make it an FA by the end of the year? I've never expanded a video game before and I was looking for an experienced editor to work with on it. I await you response.--WillC 20:20, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi. I and User:SandyGeorgia request that your comments concerning images in the Nashville Sounds FAC be updated and/or struck. The size/image quality of the first game image has been discussed, the old logo similar to the cap logo has been removed, the old uniform image has been removed, and you commented that you see no harm in the three retired number images. Thank you. -NatureBoyMD (talk) 21:00, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

How do you mean no tiers? Is difficulty ratings the new term for... rating difficulty? I thought adding a hidden list of difficulties was a good idea, but, I don't know. HOw should I go about this? There are in game screenshots of the difficulty listing that coincide with the comments by one of the developers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SyogunAW (talk • contribs) 03:36, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

It's not going to be by tiers which previously corresponded to the single player tiers. It's just 7 different difficulty ratings which can be added to the existing table once all 5 lines are known. --MASEM 03:38, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

OK, that's why I decided to hide the actual tiers though. Just to do it ahead of time.

And for the song by the Libyans, is it called Welcome to the Neighborhood like the screenshot says or is it just Neighborhood? —Preceding unsigned comment added by SyogunAW (talk • contribs) 06:33, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

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Waiting for GH: Metallica's PR to autoclose (should be in next 24hr) so that I can bring it with no questions of articles left unchecked for quality. --MASEM 05:21, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Ah gotcha. Anyways, you really dedicated yourself to the topic so I was wondering what the hold up was.

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Hello, it's been 2 weeks since the last activity, so I closed the PR. I didn't know that it was going to autoclose, so I closed it, as the chances of someone commenting on the article were slim. If I did something wrong, please tell me. Thanks, Dabomb87 (talk) 02:40, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Responded to comments, added an image under "game modes".

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Replaced image, updated rationales.

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I checked out the IGN article in question, and the only thing I saw as a countdown from 84-1. This is linked in the talk page ("More Tiers"), by an IP user. It's not exactly useful for actually sourcing the official tiering as has normally been used. -- TRTX ^{T / C} 17:59, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I realize that ports are just like the original game and do not deserve their own page, usually. I am not familiar of Resident Evil 4 Wii Edition, so I cannot comment on that, but DR: Chop Till You Drop does deserve it's own page. Here's why:

1) The game has entirely new hardware (RE4 Engine)

2) The game's control scheme has been rebuilt from the ground up for entirely new forms of control, not just remapping the previous controls

3) The game has so many new and unique features that were not present in Dead Rising such as new saving system, SD resolution, and many others.

Basically, the only things this game has in common with Dead Rising:Chop Till You Drop is: The setting, story, and weapons/food/survivors. Everything else is new and unique, thus earning Chop Till You Drop its own page.

If you still do not want this game to have it's own page, then put ALL of the information that was on my edit onto the Wii section of the Dead Rising article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by GroundZ3R0 002 (talk • contribs) 03:16, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Hey. I've been working a bit on an article for the "grand theft auto genre" at User:Randomran/GTA Clone. The reason I've been keeping it in my name space is because this is a lot of confusion around the terminology. There was actually a bit of a dispute about what "open world game" meant: with some using it to describe GTA clones, and some using it to describe a much wider class of games including Zelda and Metroid. Unfortunately, reliable sources support both sides of the debate. In the past, cramming both topics into a single article has led to a really poorly written and confusing mess. So this is my effort to try to come up with an article that is about the GTA genre, whatever the heck it might be called.

Anyway, I noticed you'd been pretty active with articles around this style of game... I wanted you to take a look at [[my userspace and make sure it's accurate and comprehensive so far, and perhaps recommend some ways to move forward? Give it a quick read whenever you can. Randomran (talk) 03:35, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

I think we need to consider a good over-arching topic for "GTA Clones" "open world", "sandbox", and "non-linear gameplay".

Platform game, 4X and a few other genres aim for what we should try to have between these, although more specifically, unlike the other two titles, these don't describe the specific elements of gameplay (that is, these mostly all fall as a subset of "action" game. I still think that a good article on "open world", and then describing the impact of GTA3 on the concept, is appropriate, but its hard to say. --MASEM

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I think the concepts are related. But an effort to merge them all into nonlinear gameplay was disrupted on a few fronts: one to describe sandbox/open world games as a genre, thus cramming a lot of GTA stuff into the article... and two, to describe the sandbox/open world concept as some kind of supergenre, that included Elite and Metroid. Eventually, a little edit warrning led to a split. And to make matters worse, there was a dispute as to whether "open world" was about GTA games, or about all games with open world level designs. Trust me when I say that we're better off keeping these separate, with disambiguation links at the top to help delineate between the related topics. Randomran (talk) 03:49, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

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Thanks. :-) --Steve (talk) 15:05, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

We've sat on it a little too long, but with your sign-off, I'd like to turn user:Randomran/test into an actual RFC (with a watchlist and everything). I've copy-edited it, reformatted it, looked over it a bunch of times... While clarity is important, I'm convinced that additional efforts to copy-edit will be more for my own amusement than causing any meaningful difference in the discussion.

Also, just as one small suggestion, I might want to drop what is currently proposal B.4 -- which is yours. I think it's a good idea, and one I'd actually support. But I don't think it actually clarifies the strength/flexibility of the GNG: it would move the controversy we had at WP:FICT (and other SNGs) to the central GNG. I think we might want to discuss consolidating all the guidelines at a later time, once we know how the guidelines interact. It's a small suggestion, because I'm just throwing that out there.

Hit me back on my talk page, and we'll move onto the next step. Randomran (talk) 02:28, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for helping to simplify the RFC. I created a page at Wikipedia talk:Notability/RFC:compromise. I hope I didn't blow it. What's the next step from here? Randomran (talk) 03:23, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for doing the watchlist request. I added links to WT:N and VPP... I wanted to avoid any specific wikiproject or subject specific guideline at this point. This might have the effect of biasing the discussion towards a specific subject. If we start hitting wikiprojects, we need to hit them all -- history, politics, science, all of the above. Let me know if you'd like to take it a step further, or if you think we've done enough for now. Randomran (talk) 03:42, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

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I've made a set of notes about B.6 in response to feedback, with an eye towards an expanded and/or revised proposal (User:Vassyana/RFC notes). I've made an attempt to address all of the major points raised while maintaining coherency and avoiding contradiction. Your feedback on the sandbox talk page would be welcome and greatly appreciated. Vassyana (talk) 15:44, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Re your comments here. I don't think the title choice between "inclusion" and "notability" is purely titular (excuse the pun). Please let me know what you think of my personal reasoning here and here. And am I interpreting your comment here correctly as supporting a remame to WP:Inclusion? Everyme 13:38, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

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Hey Masem, Can you delete this two images, this and this. The reason is Crysis Warhead does not

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Just a FYI. Everyme 11:27, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Since I was feeling a bit insomniac tonight, and the general consensus at N/RFC appears to be that lists need a new inclusion guideline, I've written User:Erachima/Inclusion (stand-alone lists). It's a first draft, obviously, so feel free to mess with the wording or comment on the talk page if anything seems to be unclear or missing. --erachima talk 10:32, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Ok, merge complete, articles redirected and tagged with {{

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WIAFA

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Completely weird. I can load the page, but not the talk page. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:03, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

When? (the Survivor thing) Rj1020 (talk) 21:21, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

I believe it was Pearl Islands. --MASEM 21:43, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi. I notice you suggested the above article for deletion. I agree with you. I created it with the intention of finding more information for it but details on it are scarce at the moment! I have commented-out the content (for future reference) and replaced it with a redirect to

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Hi there. I made some random fixes; I'll have to give it a more thorough treatment if I get the time. — Deckiller 08:11, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for experimenting with Wikipedia. Your test worked, and it has been

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Thank you for experimenting with Wikipedia. Your test worked, and it has been

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Please do not misspell links resulting in red text as you did at

vandalism but does reduce the formality and cleanliness of the page. --Sigma Epsilon Chi (talk

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RE:The VG article guideline

Sounds good. The only loose thread right now is the "Having a biased point of view" section Krator thought was unnecessary. Someone expanded (I think you did actually, not sure), but I haven't had a chance to go over it myself. How about we post it on

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RE:Ico copyedit/lookthrough

I gave it a quick sweep. The only thing left to do is source the "Plot" and "Gameplay" sections. The reviews should be able to provide the necessary citations, but I have the game and can pull out the instruction manual if you need it also.

Something else you'll probably want to address, I'd say the "Reception" section is weakest part of the article, prose-wise. This shouldn't be a concern at GAN, but will probably draw some attention at the FAC. Hopefully I'll have some more free time for another sweep before it goes up for FAC. Overall though it looks really good. Nice job- I'm a little jealous because you beat me to the punch on this one. :-p (Guyinblack25 ^talk 15:58, 10 October 2008 (UTC))

Masem/Archive 4, you posted at one or more of the recent discussions of short FAs. There's now a proposal to change the featured article criteria that attempts to address this. Please take a look and consider adding your comments to the straw poll there. Mike Christie (talk) 19:32, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

List of Karaoke Revolution songs is in dire need of cleanup. (Came across it while reading on Rock Revolution), I'm going to try to do something, but it looks to be more than a one man job. -- TRTX ^{T / C} 16:02, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm planning to delist this article son, due to lack of sourcing. It was promoted in 2005, and the criteria are applied more strictly now, and imo this doesn't pass a number of them. You seem to have updated the GA template, but i cannot find the review or the reviewer to inform them. How did you find which version was reviewed for the oldid you added? The article and talk have unfortunately no edit summaries saying anything about GA :-/. thanks!Yobmod (talk) 09:47, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

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I think you were on to something with a template for RBtiers. I've coded up a crude example at User:TRTX/rb2tier

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Let me know if you think this could be beneficial. I'm thinking if it's not too hard, it could be nice to have a template to add songs to the DLC table (give it the song, artist, etc, and it does the rest) -- TRTX ^{T / C} 00:22, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion, I'm actually not to sure on how to set up an official template, which is why I was hoping you could help out a bit. I kinda figured leaving it in the userspace wouldn't cut it. -- TRTX ^{T / C} 05:22, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

WP:NOT

I not you have described this this edit as Vandalism. I am not sure if this accusation has ever been levelled at you but I would hope that you understand that I find Vandalism as irritating as any other bone fide editor. I should be grateful if you would review this comment. Lucian Sunday (talk) 14:39, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

• On a separate matter, I have amended your comment at Not a working document as there was an inappropriate template expansion. I have tried to make this sensible but you should check I'm not putting words in your mouth. Colonel Warden (talk) 10:19, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Wikialert

As a courtesy, I am informing you of a statement I have made

here. Lucian Sunday (talk

) 05:31, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Ping

Assuming you never saw this... [3] -Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^(talk) 19:40, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Sent. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^(talk) 20:57, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Stilwater

Hey, this is

Stilwater article? 60.242.127.62 (talk

) 19:46, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

The

Saints Row (series) article has plenty of space to go into the high-level details of the city (what's presently in SR2 is a bit too much but a good starting point). --MASEM

19:53, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

But wouldn't it be more appropriate to split it off into its own article? There's articles on Liberty City and Vice City, so why shouldn't there be one for Stilwater? It wouldn't work to put a massive description of it into the

Saints Row (series) article. Your thoughts? 60.242.127.62 (talk

) 05:52, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

I am currently re-writing the article, which will draw similarities in structure to Liberty City. I am doing this in WordPad, so that nobody will change my work as I expand it. When I have made a good headstart, I will put it up and try and find some reliable sources and not go too in-depth with the city (these were the two reasons it was deleted). I will let you know when it's done and I hope you can fix up any issues portrayed in it. 60.242.127.62 (talk) 08:20, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

OK, I have just finished it.

Here it is. It needs a lot of work but this is merely a head-start for others who contribute to it. Tell me what you think! 60.242.127.62 (talk

) 09:08, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

The GTA cities articles have the same problem this one does: there is no out-of-universe information about the city, at least, in a large amount. That's not to say that the bulk of the information cannot be placed in

Saints Row (series). The GTA cities articles are being looked at by other others for merging back into the games they are in for the same reason. --MASEM

13:01, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Sorry to butt into this conversation, but I'm currently writing a draft of the Liberty City article with less of a focus on describing the features of the city and more of a focus on development and reception of the city. The current version of

Liberty City (Grand Theft Auto), though well written and thorough, goes into too much descriptive detail and shouldn't really be used as a guide to what a video game location article should look like. Bill ^{(talk|contribs}

) 21:09, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

How would an article devoted to a video game's setting be appropriate? How would it be worthy of keeping? Just think: even if we do merge it into the

Saints Row (series) article, it's still going to contain no out-of-universe information and original research. The fact is, original research for a video game's location is the most reliable and the best. 60.242.127.62 (talk

) 07:06, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

TAR14

Oay, Masem, i want to hear your explanation why you said it is November while i don't get any line in the reference that the 14th season will start shooting in November. Thanks. --Aleenf1 06:24, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Copy-editing

Sorry — I've pretty much retired. Too many other things going on. — Deckiller 07:13, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

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Move protecting Guitar Hero

Should it perhaps be moved protected? It was moved to

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Regards over Speculation of Re:Chain of Memories

You stated that speculation that does not use a reliable source should not be posted. However the source was the official square-enix site. I personally do not see how more unreliable it can be. This is square-enix themselves and not some random fansite. DarkSteps (talk) 19:16, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Regards over Saints Row 2 Easter Eggs

Hello there Masam, why have you deleted the part on the Saints Row 2 page about Easter Eggs? I won't revert it and/or warn you because i'm not sure if what you removed broke the rules. Reply if you want DJ MeXsTa (talk) 11:31, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:Rock Band series

the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. Dromioofephesus (talk

) 21:59, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Ico

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about that RfC ...

Masem, i just wanted to let you know that i hope my fiddling with the wording of the RfC isn't delaying anything - i really am in favour of getting it underway. the process of people fidgeting with the wording could go on endlessly, but really it reads well enough as it is, so ... go for it!

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"WGN-TV" on ANI

Please see the discussion for my reply. - NeutralHomer • Talk • November 23, 2008 @ 06:24

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New proposition regarding D&D article notability

Hi! I know that you have recently been active in some Dungeons & Dragons articles, so I thought that I'd point out a new proposition that I made regarding their notability at

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Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Date_Linking_RFC

I'm packing it in for the night. More anon. Ohconfucius (talk) 15:10, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

This situation is, to put it lightly, frustrating. And I believe Tony is simply fanning the flames hoping people will just give up (which I admit I am tempted). I think the sooner we get the RFC up and in the watchlist details (and delist Tony's self-created RFC) the better... —Locke Cole • t • c 03:45, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Should we send a neutral message out to those who voted on the previous RfC that there is another more detailed RfC that is running now? Dabomb87 (talk) 14:59, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Requesting peer review of Half-Life 2: Lost Coast at Wikipedia:Peer review/Half-Life 2: Lost Coast/archive1

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RFC Update

I know it's been a long and tedious process. But the analysis of the RFC discussion is underway, so that an objective party can give an honest assessment of the common ground. One of the analysts requested some context on the dispute. So I'm trying to help him out. You'd be helping things along if you could check in quickly at the talk page, if only to offer a quick comment. I'm asking you because I know you've been involved pretty heavily throughout the recent dispute, and particularly know the

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