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Please see my query on the article's talk page. Could you please include the exact wording of the source.

I should also mention that a paragaph on career starting with the latest position and going backwards is almost always a sign of promotional writing--is there any coi, or did you just adopt the wording of a source? DGG ( talk ) 08:36, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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As per your talk page query, and I will copy this exchange there also, "One of the first artists in the US appointed to a scientific unit at a university," this is meaningless-- does the source have the exact number, or is it only guessing?" - That is in the opening, introductory paragraph of the article. As per Wiki guidelines the writer can choose to footnote the introductory paragraph, or not, and put the specifics lower in the article. I choose to do the latter and have a footnote lower down in the article, under the new section you added, "Artistic Work," which still uses my original writing: "she was one of the first artists in the US appointed to a university science unit,[7]" followed by footnote #7 "Terranova, Charissa N.; Tromble, Meredith (August 12, 2016). The Routledge Companion to Biology in Art and Architecture (1st ed.). Abingdon-on-Thames, England: Routledge. p. xxiv. ISBN 9781138919341. Retrieved 11 June 2019." from a respected press. The exact wording of the sentence footnoted from Routledge is "She formerly held joint appointments in the University of Michigan's School of Art and Design and the Life Sciences Institute, where she was one of the first artists in the US to be appointed to a scientific unit."

The same information is covered in other reliable sources that I could easily footnote but Routledge Press is a well known international press and I thought that was adequate. The MIT Press, the National Academy of Science, Yale Radio and others could be added to back it up further.

- Regarding your "a paragraph on career starting with the latest position and going backwards is almost always a sign of promotional writing--is there any coi, or did you just adopt the wording of a source." -- Did not know that and thought it was standard. Understood that as long as you have it in a logical order, either chronologically from the latest going backwards -which I find more useful, see all the time on Wiki, and assumed was the standard- or the other way around, was fine according to Wiki rules as long as it makes sense. Yes, I imagine I was influenced by the many sources on this person's career, which as I recall usually lists from latest to most recent. I can double check if there is a preferred structure for this in Wiki guidelines.

- Regarding the flags you put on the article: "This article reads like a press release or a news article or is largely based on routine coverage or sensationalism. (July 2019) This article contains wording that promotes the subject in a subjective manner without imparting real information. (July 2019)" - I am reviewing Wiki rules that cover these. I will add more direct quotes about the artist's work and contributions to the field from respected and reliable sources and edit the article to improve it. 00:01, 18 July 2019 (UTC)Ogmany (talk)

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The article reads entirely like an ad and needs to be edited for neutrality before it can be added to the encyclopedia. That having been said, the subject does appear to be notable, so I would encourage you to revise and resubmit the article. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 06:42, 30 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Rosguill Could you tell me how I can further improve this page then? I do not understand your putting it into articles for submission or your complaints. It has been viewed numerous times and worked on by many editors. According to your flag: "Do not copy-paste material from sources, or your submission will be rejected for copyright violations. Write from a neutral point of view and base your article on reliable sources that are independent of the subject. It is strongly discouraged to write about yourself or your own business." There has been no copy and pasting from other sources except for direct quotes put into Wiki approved style quotes. All quotes and citations are original research from reliable sources. Article is written from a neutral point of view and states the who, what, where, and when facts. (Ogmany (talk) 15:44, 31 December 2019 (UTC))[reply]

Ogmany, don't worry too much about the instructions on the AfC notice, that's a generic template. As for what does need improvement, phrases like "Tibet's unique culture when it is confronted with extinction on its own soil" are not neutral and should be reworded (in this particular case, "unique" is unnecessary and "when it is confronted with extinction on its own soil" should probably be reworded to something like "while its cultural practice is threatened in Tibet itself"). Meanwhile, I would question the appropriateness of including a non-neutral quote in the second sentence of the lead.

Finally, it's best for articles about organizations to focus on their past accomplishments, rather than just on their current programs. While it's important to include coverage of current programs, having the article primarily include such coverage makes it look a bit like a promotional brochure. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 17:43, 31 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

[User:Rosguill|Rosguill]] I made changes to the first section as you suggested. I do not see the quote "a group of Westerners sympathetic to the Tibetan cause" in the second sentence of the lead as non-neutral. As to "best for articles about organizations to focus on their past accomplishments, rather than just on their current programs." I listed articles about past programs as footnotes to illustrate the programs that fulfill TH's mission. Would it be better to break it down further and list the past programs and citations in the history section instead? (Ogmany

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Thank you for the heads up. I normally do not do that intentionally and may have been duplicating work I had already done; or confused it with someone else's work that had the same sources. I think I only copied my own entry and did not do it word for word but it is certainly possible, particularly when I am on a roll or having a dyslexia issue, which happens sometimes. Will check it out. Ogmany (talk) 23:45, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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