Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1045

Hi everyone!

I am organizing two Art+Feminism events this year here in San Diego, one in the Spring and one in the Fall in the lead up to the 2020 election. What is the best way for me to connect with WikiProject Women members who might be interested in 1) participating either in-person or online and/or 2) be willing to help as a trainer/instructor/helper during these events? Any guidance is appreciated!

Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Praxis2020 (talk • contribs) 01:52, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

Hello,

Editathon, and you might wish to advertise add your event on the editathon diary. The one at the bottom of Wikipedia:How to run an edit-a-thon seems no longer to be updated. I think there is one on a related website's dashboard, but I cannot think of the link offhand. Let us know if you'd like us to find it for you. Best wishes, Nick Moyes (talk

) 02:39, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

Hello everyone! I'm a new editor on Wikipedia and I was trying to make a new article but I was having trouble uploading an image, if any of you could help I'd really appreciate it! Thank You! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Barbaramansing (talk • contribs) 16:12, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

Work on getting the draft accepted first. Right now, declined for lack of valid references. David notMD (talk) 16:51, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

There seems to be a

They only have no user page, a not logged-in IPv4 user would look like this:

single purpose account since 2008, but rarely logging in. –84.46.52.59 (talk

) 02:57, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

OGT has recently edited the article in question. I agree that minimally, should declare what is obviously a COI, and I suspect Paid. David notMD (talk) 08:41, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, David notMD. Agreed. Considering the article, I would imagine "OGT" to stand for "Our Great Tchaikovsky" with perhaps their zip code? Maineartists (talk) 12:34, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

OGT commented on my Talk page, denying COI or Paid. I advise OGT to make that statement on own Talk page. David notMD (talk) 17:41, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

Questions To Ask You

Somehow I have posted and published lots of drafts and draft talks, but I am not able to find them on the internet. Do you know what is the problem there and how to solve it? Can you also suggest me another system instead of wizard to publish topics and articles?

Second Question

I am very interested in this TeaHouse. Can you tell me how to join it?

ConClusion

That is all the questions that I have to ask you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leo and Grace (talk • contribs) 2020-01-18T17:15:40 (UTC)

Hello, Leo and Grace, and welcome to the Teahouse. You have posted a question here: that is all you need do to become part of the Teahouse.

Your Drafts and Talk pages are available on Wikipedia - you can either search for them inside Wikipedia, or more easily pick "My contributions" from the top of the page. They are not available on the internet because, since this is an encyclopaedia, only accepted encyclopaedia articles get indexed by Google and other search engines: all the rest of the pages (talk pages, drafts, discussion pages in the Wikipedia: space etc) are only relevant to creating the encyclopaedia and should not come up in internet searches.

I can see that you are excited to be contributing to Wikipedia; but I'm afraid you haven't quite grasped what it is we do, so your drafts will never be accepted as Wikipedia articles as they stand.

An encyclopaedia summarises information which has already been published, in reliable places: it is not for writing what you think or know about a subject, but about what you have found that published sources say about a subject. Perhaps you would like to try The Wikipedia Adventure to learn more about editing here. --ColinFine (talk) 17:41, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

An article about critic John Simon misquoted me. I am a playwright named Jonathan Leaf. I noted this in the article. Then I later changed the article. Wikipedia sent me a not telling me to use Teahouse to alert editors about this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonathan I Leaf (talk • contribs) 16:56, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

reverts you, you can discuss this on the article's talk page. – Thjarkur (talk)

17:07, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

@Þjarkur and Jonathan I Leaf: I haven't reverted it, but I've a question at Talk:John Simon (critic)#Quote from article by Jonathan Leaf. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 17:55, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi, does anyone know how can I get my article approved? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lily Wan Jo (talk • contribs) 20:41, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

Lily Wan Jo, You can wait. You've submitted it to AfC, so it's just a matter of time and someone will review it. MoonyTheDwarf (Braden N.) (talk) 20:43, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy: draft is Draft:Imam Shah. There are always 3,000 to 4,000 drafts at AfC. It's not a queue, reviewers select drafts they want to review. That said, most reviewed within two months, and almost all within four months. Asking here and asking at the Talk page of the draft will have no effect. While waiting, you could convert your url references into proper ref format. David notMD (talk) 20:52, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

What to be able to set aside time each day to edit and make Wikipedia better, what's the best way to do so? Also if I wanted to add more successful and accomplished women here, that have books, are speakers, etc. what's the best way to do so and what's the criteria for me to add a person page, I saw it before but I am unable to find the qualifications.

Also, is this where I am supposed to be posting this?

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by LITBeL (talk • contribs) 22:26, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

Hello,

notable women not currently listed on Wikipedia, you might want to read Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red. The prime criterion is that such people must be notable, in the special sense in which Wikipedia uses that work (see link above). Note that creating new articles from a blank start is about the hardest task an inexperienced editor is likely to face on Wikipedia. (Taking an article to Featured status is IMO harder, but is usually attempted only by experienced editors.) Some other ways to help may be found at the Community portal

, and you might be well advised to try some before tackling creating new articles. (Oh and yes, this is a fine place to have asked this question.)

LITBeL, There's a lot of great advice below, including the link to Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red. I just wanted to second the advice to visit there. S Philbrick(Talk) 22:44, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

That said, here are some steps which, if followed carefully, often lead to success in article creation:

• First, review our
  our specific guideline on the notability of people
  . Consider whether your subject clearly meets the standards listed there. Also, check if the topic is already covered, perhaps under a different spelling or in a section of an article about a wider topic. You will waste a lot of time, if you create a new article, and then find that the encyclopedia already has an article about that.
• Second, read how to create
  referencing for beginners
  and again consider if you want to go ahead.
• Third, If you have any connection or affiliation with the subject, disclose it in accordance with
  our guideline on Conflict of interest. If you have been or expect to be paid for making edits, or are making them as part of your job, disclose this according to the strict rules of the Paid-contribution disclosure
  . This is absolutely required; omitting it can result in you being blocked from further editing.
• Fourth, gather sources. You want
  reliable sources
  with each discussing the subject in some detail. If you can't find several such sources, stop; an article will not be created! Sources do NOT need to be online, or in English, although it is helpful if at least some are. The "independent" part is vital. Wikipedia does not consider as independent sources such as press releases, or news stories based on press releases, or anything published by the subject itself or an affiliate of the subject. Strictly local coverage is also not preferred. Regional or national newspapers or magazines, books published by mainstream publishers (not self-published), or scholarly journals are usually good. So are online equivalents of these. (Additional sources may verify particular statements but not discuss the subject in detail. But those significant detailed sources are needed first.)
• Fifth, use the
  conflict of interest
  it is essential.
• Sixth, use the sources gathered before (and other sources you may find along the way) to write the article.
  puffery
  or marketing-speak. Provide page numbers, dates, authors and titles for sources to the extent these are available. A title is always needed. Submit the draft when you think it is ready for review. Be prepared to wait a while for a review (several weeks or more).
• Seventh, when (well perhaps if) your draft is declined, pay attention to the comments of the reviewer, and correct the draft and resubmit it. During this whole process, if you face any unresolvable editing hurdles, or cannot comprehend any editing issue, feel free to post a request at the
  Teahouse or the help desk
  and ask the regulars. Repeat this until the draft passes review.

Congratulations, you have now created a valid Wikipedia article. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 22:42, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

how to meet the musical nobility criteria ? what do i have to do so my page is listed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Studio43records (talk • contribs) 22:13, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

Editor has been blocked for promotional edits. On the off chance that Studio43records returns, the rules can be found at Musical notability - most of them are reasonably clear, a page just needs to meet one of them (and be able to demonstrate it) to show notability. Nosebagbear (talk) 23:37, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi Kylie,

It would be Fantastic if you could, guessing your nifty skills, just create a quick and easy artist bio for my musical profile.

Kind Regards and sorry for my feeble attempts,

Jonny Abet — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonny Abet (talk • contribs) 20:48, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

not your soapbox or platform of advertising, we will not help you build a brand. MoonyTheDwarf (Braden N.) (talk

) 20:55, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

Unless other people are publishing articles about you that could be used as references, you do not yet qualify for a Wikipedia article. It's all about independent notability. David notMD (talk) 21:01, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

Errm, who the heck is Kylie? Nick Moyes (talk) 21:23, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

Nick Moyes, my guess is User:KylieTastic. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 21:32, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

@Cullen328: ah, of course. We've just been watching Kylie Minogue on TV, so I had her stuck in my mind. On another matter, I've a bone to pick with you. Might pop over to your user page later on and have it out with you! TTFN Nick Moyes (talk) 21:38, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

Any time, Nick. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 21:44, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

Yup was me :/ KylieTastic (talk) 00:04, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

I'm a modeling and tattoo artist. I want to have a page on Wikipedia https://instagram.com/inkeboy/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saeidshamloo inkeboy (talk • contribs) 00:38, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

notable enough, someone else will write an article about you. You should try not to worry about it, as Wikipedia is not a place to promote oneself. – Thjarkur (talk)

00:58, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Can we cite a thesis for an Article as a reference, if yes then how to do it. Rocky 734 (talk) 00:36, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

WP:SCHOLARSHIP, doctoral theses are often reliable but others less so. You can cite them the same way you would cite any other source, you can also use the specific template {{cite thesis}}. – Thjarkur (talk)

01:03, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Thank you @

Thjarkur:. Rocky 734 (talk

) 01:21, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Hello new to the Teahouse here, I had a problem with creating an article named Wulong bohaiensis. I created the draft at 00:58, 16 January 2020 but the submission did not accepted. An other user created the page at 02:27, 16 January 2020. I don't want to change the already existing page, however i want to take credit for creating the page. How can I resolve this issue? Historianengineer (talk) 12:35, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

See answer on your Talk page. Situation appears to be that you created a draft, but after that an editor directly created an article on the same topic, so that when your draft was considered the reply was there is an existing article. From looking at your draft it does not appear to me that the person who created the article had seen your draft, so likelt just coincidence. You should feel free to improve the article. (I see that you have more text than the article.) David notMD (talk) 12:48, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

(ec) The article doesn't use your Draft:Wulong bohaiensis, the credits are correct, and you will be a part of it when you copy parts of your draft to the article. Your draft has no inline references at all, you need reliable sources for copied statements. You have one reference in #references, that's not how it works, put the <ref>xyzzy</ref> after the period (or comma) of the relevant statement (or paragraph) for the xyzzy-source. The #references section will then be automagically populated. –84.46.53.255 (talk) 12:58, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

As context for other readers, the subject of the draft and article is a small and very interesting dinosaur whose formal discovery paper was published on 15 January 2020 (three days ago as I write) and has been widely publicised, so it is quite understandable that more than one editor began working on an article at the same time – I considered doing so myself. It's likely that this sort of 'clash' happens quite frequently, and merely demonstrates the enthusiasm of our editing community. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.199.208.126 (talk) 08:39, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

…and

not logged-in contributors don't need to worry about. –84.46.53.192 (talk

) 01:36, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Not sure if notable? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.241.37.249 (talk) 02:46, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

I'm going to say that a search on "Razavieh Spinning Co." got to a yarn supplier in Iran. If that is what the question is - No. David notMD (talk) 02:50, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Can we use a Hindi reference in English Wikipedia.Rocky 734 (talk) 00:38, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

​Yes, they are allowed. If an equally good English language source exists, then it is preferable to use the English one. – Thjarkur (talk) 00:54, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Thank you @

Thjarkur:. Rocky 734 (talk

) 01:23, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Rocky 734. If you use a reference to a reliable source in a foreign language such as Hindi, I suggest that you translate the most relevant sentence or two, and embed that quote in the reference. Also, be sure to include complete bibliographic information about your reference. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 01:55, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

In any case, Rocky 734, if using a reference in any language other than English, please supply a translated version of the title, as well as the original. If you use templated citations (as I prefer when I create articles) |trans-title= is the place to put a translated title. To supply a translated quotation such as Cullen328 suggests, that can be inserted using |quote=. Happy editing. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 03:15, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

I reviewed

Sounds like an interesting career, but the article's refs and what I could find online are either promotional or passing mentions. The fact is that if he and his company turned out to be a hoax, I would not be amazed. He is based in the US, yet not written about here, and barely in Nigeria. Not notable at this point.--Quisqualis (talk) 04:23, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Where to ask help for translating Articles in any foreign language. I want Raghunath Murmu article to be translated in as many foreign language. Rocky 734 (talk) 03:14, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

This article is a good place to start, Rocky 734--Quisqualis (talk) 04:35, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

(ec) Each Wikimedia project incl. Wikipedias has its own rules, and many are proud to be not enwiki for various not always obvious reasons. Let them just decide that as they see fit, unless it is a specific project you care about, then you can ask on their idea of a

i18n ask on metawiki:Project:Babel, they'll have better general tips for you. –84.46.53.192 (talk

) 04:47, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

I will paste my code to show you what I have. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FinallyGoodIT (talk • contribs)

Collapsed graphics - click to show

Right Breast Left Breast Right Breast Left Breast Insignia 1st Battalion, 187th Infantry Regiment Distinctive Unit Insignia Badge Combat Infantryman Badge Badges Parachutist Badge Air Assault Badge 1st Row Army Commendation Medal w/ Bronze Oak Leaf Cluster Army Achievement Medal 2nd Row Army Good Conduct Medal National Defense Medal Afghanistan Campaign Medal 3rd Row Global War On Terrorism Expeditionary Medal Global War On Terrorism Service Medal Army Service Ribbon Badge 101st Airborne Division Combat Service Identification Badge (CSIB) Badge U.S. Army Expert Marksmanship Qualification Badge w/ rifle Clasp

This is about someone who is notable as a political candidate, having been a corporal in the US Army. Is all the military stuff relevant? Maproom (talk) 10:32, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse,

WP:PAID

.

That all being said, those graphics are wholly unsuitable for an article on this person, so please remove them before you consider posting the page to

Articles for Creation

. Just cite what medals they've won - we don't need pictures.

Oh, and talking of pictures, judging from the photos you've uploaded of him to Commons, from his early days in the army, to him receiving a military award, to him standing as a candidate in middle age, you do seem to have followed Ehrlinger around rather closely. This also makes me wonder whether you actually own the copyright of those photos (as the photographer), or whether you might have made an error whilst attempting to upload them, or simply took them off the internet somewhere and didn't appreciate you aren't allowed to claim other people's work as your own. You might wish to check and clarify this too, or they are in danger of someone deleting them on copyright grounds. And if you really did follow him around that closely, you most certainly do have a

WP:COI which you should declare. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk

) 11:53, 18 January 2020 (UTC).

Oh, and I'm afraid your username is also unacceptable and is in breach of our username policy

see here as being promotional in nature, as you've clearly revealed by this edit. You are very likely to be blocked from editing with that account quite soon, and would have to start afresh, using a non-promotional name. Sorry to be the bearer of not good news, but the need to acknowledge or refute COI/PAID declarations will still apply. Nick Moyes (talk

) 12:03, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

A home run! Blocked for using a business name as your User name, suspected copyright infringement issues on the photos, undeclared COI or PAID, and lastly, proposing an article about a person who may not meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability (a candidate for state political office). Bonus for creating a table of every weapon he trained with, images of all of his medals, and chunks of text about his political intentions. No, no, no, no, no, no and no. David notMD (talk) 14:23, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

A home run? No. Just another sad day on the Wiki. I don't think I'm going to survive this election season. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 17:33, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

Makes me wonder if

WP:FACTIONS already cover WP:NOADVENTURE, or which would be the better {{R to section}} target for a 2nd or 8th redirect, cf. WT:RFD today. –84.46.53.192 (talk

) 07:00, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Hello fellow Wikipedians! My question is with respect to Template:Infobox_India_university_ranking. I want to add new parameters to the template. But it assigns values as label19,data19 etc to parameters. So how to change all the values below, if I add a parameter in between. I tried using User:Frietjes/infoboxgap.js in console, but it didn't help. Can suggest a way to auto increment the parameters. I also read somewhere that this template structure seems to be outdated, so can someone provide an infobox template as an example to which this template can be ported. Thanks for help.Sanyam.wikime (talk) 07:48, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

This is a frequently asked question, cf. archive 915 + 1039, if the manual is still unclear please ask on the template talk page, and if you are up to no good (spam for the 1001st irrelevant university) don't. –84.46.53.192 (talk) 08:09, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

can you please clarify the meaning of "and if you are up to no good (spam for the 1001st irrelevant university) don't" --Sanyam.wikime (talk) 08:56, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

It means that there were attempts to add spam to the template and that the template with lots of entries is ugly like hell. IIRC you asked a similar question here, check out the two archives wikilinked above to find the old answers. HTH+HAND, 84.46.53.192 (talk) 10:18, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

I'd like to be able to edit over multiple days, but I don't see how I can keep a draft of an article around to publish later, and I don't want to keep a browser tab with unsaved stuff in it around. Is there any way to create and save a draft of an article to edit and publish later? Thanks! • in vivo veritas • 09:45, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

​You can keep drafts either in your userspace (User:In vivo veritas/Example article) or draftspace (Draft:Example article). If you want to work on an already existing article, you can copy the article's source over to your userspace or draftspace. – Thjarkur (talk) 10:50, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Clicking on "Publish changes" at the bottom means Save. So yes, you can have content in your Sandbox or a Draft that is saved for later. These drafts can be seen (and edited, and deleted if warranted) by other editors, because they are in a semi-public space - seen, but not found if someone searched on the term. For example, a search on Anton Hur does not find Draft:Anton Hur. David notMD (talk) 11:12, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi guys, thank you so much for replying. I'm not sure if I am messaging you at the right place or if you would read this, or how to reply you directly. As you can tell, I am new to Wikipedia, spent days watching tutorials and guidelines, which I still have lots more to learn. My question to David, you mentioned, "While waiting, you could convert your url references into proper ref format", how do I do that? Am I doing it wrong? Regarding the source, I spent a week searching for the all sources on the internet and I'm confident my sources are reliable as most references link to our local newspaper here in Singapore. However, there are some links provided from TV Shows Infos like this: https://tv.toggle.sg/en/tv/shows/s/s-o-s/info , and one source from a blog where the actor answered questions from the event blogger(10) at the beginning of his career. In person, I have met the actor, and he mentioned on stage of the things I wrote, or on video, but I couldn't find other written article. So how do I tell the person that review my article that it's legit and not a made up? Would appreciate if you could take a look and see if the source is consider reliable. Oh and last question (I'm really sorry), I would like to write an article about a TV star/ singer in Singapore/ Malaysia, her name is Hannah Delisha. She has a wiki in Malay language, but it's not updated: ms:Hannah_Delisha Can I write an article for her here, and if so, do I need any approval first?

Thank you again, I'm so sorry for the trouble. A reply would be greatly appreciated. Love from Sg. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lily Wan Jo (talk • contribs) 08:41, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy ping to the mentioned

MoonyTheDwarf . CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓

08:45, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

notable. So I would advise you to assemble some good independent references about Hannah Delisha before you start writing anything. Maproom (talk

) 09:43, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Lily Wan Jo: On your Talk page I copied your first ref as you have it and then created same ref using the format for website content. David notMD (talk) 11:23, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

i want to create an article on an author — Preceding unsigned comment added by Faisalkhanblog (talk • contribs) 12:51, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Hello,

our guideline for the notability of authors and other creative professionals. Wikipedia only has articles about notable topics. Also, creating an article from a blank start is about the hardest challenge a new editor faces on Wikipedia. It might be wise to make smaller edits to existing articles until you have a better feel for how things work. But if you want to go ahead, or when you feel ready, here are some steps which often lead to success in creating an article, if followed carefully. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs}

14:34, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

• First, review our
  our specific guideline on the notability of people
  . Consider whether your subject clearly meets the standards listed there. Also, check if the topic is already covered, perhaps under a different spelling or in a section of an article about a wider topic. You will waste a lot of time, if you create a new article, and then find that the encyclopedia already has an article about that.
• Second, read how to create
  referencing for beginners
  and again consider if you want to go ahead.
• Third, If you have any connection or affiliation with the subject, disclose it in accordance with
  our guideline on Conflict of interest. If you have been or expect to be paid for making edits, or are making them as part of your job, disclose this according to the strict rules of the Paid-contribution disclosure
  . This is absolutely required; omitting it can result in you being blocked from further editing.
• Fourth, gather sources. You want
  reliable sources
  with each discussing the subject in some detail. If you can't find several such sources, stop; an article will not be created! Sources do NOT need to be online, or in English, although it is helpful if at least some are. The "independent" part is vital. Wikipedia does not consider as independent sources such as press releases, or news stories based on press releases, or anything published by the subject itself or an affiliate of the subject. Strictly local coverage is also not preferred. Regional or national newspapers or magazines, books published by mainstream publishers (not self-published), or scholarly journals are usually good. So are online equivalents of these. (Additional sources may verify particular statements but not discuss the subject in detail. But those significant detailed sources are needed first.)
• Fifth, use the
  conflict of interest
  it is essential.
• Sixth, use the sources gathered before (and other sources you may find along the way) to write the article.
  puffery
  or marketing-speak. Provide page numbers, dates, authors and titles for sources to the extent these are available. A title is always needed. Submit the draft when you think it is ready for review. Be prepared to wait a while for a review (several weeks or more).
• Seventh, when (well perhaps if) your draft is declined, pay attention to the comments of the reviewer, and correct the draft and resubmit it. During this whole process, if you face any unresolvable editing hurdles, or cannot comprehend any editing issue, feel free to post a request at the
  Teahouse or the help desk
  and ask the regulars. Repeat this until the draft passes review.

Congratulations, you have now created a valid Wikipedia article. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 14:34, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

I am trying to create a

watchlisted, some articles here have no watchers. – Thjarkur (talk)

00:43, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Thank you!Daisythedog (talk) 15:58, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

See Talk:Þiðreks_saga Is User:Ermenrich right? --Tympanus (talk) 17:58, 17 January 2020 (UTC) Tympanus (talk) 17:58, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

Added wikilinks to the above post. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 18:09, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

@Tympanus: Could you re-phrase your question? The meaning is unclear (to me, at least). Is it a question about editing Wikipedia? —[AlanM1(talk)]— 20:03, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

Sorry – don't know why I couldn't parse it. Tympanus is asking for additional opinions regarding the reliability of a source being discussed with Ermenrich at Talk:Þiðreks saga#Badenhausen. I'd suggest posting an invitation for others to comment at the relevant WikiProjects shown on the article's talk page, like WT:WikiProject Norse history and culture, etc.. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 00:29, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, AlanM1. Sorry, I was obviously too short. The matter is as follows: I have mentioned the research position of Heinz Ritter-Schaumburg, a German PhD in literature, in the article Þiðreks saga because he is relevant to be mentioned according to WP:nor. Regarding a “prominent adherent” to be named in the article, so WP:nor, I have referenced an online-review on Ritter-Schaumburg's thesis and basic position by Rolf Badenhausen, a businessman, journalist and bookauthor on Ritter's research; see also talk:Þiðreks saga. But this linked article was rejected by user:Ermenrich as “unreliable “. I disagree because Badenhausen appears qualified enough as a prominent adherent in this case. --Tympanus (talk) 10:22, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

Personal websites are not reliable sources, see

wp:fringe. It isn't mentioned in any of the major handbooks on Dietrich von Bern, only in some extremely negative reviews of Ritter-Schaumburg's book from the 80s/early 90s. The fact that there are groups that self-publish books in support of RS's theory attacking the academic consensus only makes it look more fringy, not less. This is not a "significant minority". There is no debate about it in academic scholarship, and we following academic sources, not just what Joe Schmoe might like to write about a figure from medieval legend.--Ermenrich (talk

) 14:05, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

According to my uk- and us-browsers, Google displays Badenhausen only as an author, as being linked with his German wikipedia article. This form is absolutely actual (see his linked vita) because he is currently and prospectively working for the quarterly journal “Der Berner” [ISSN 1610-8191], founded by Reinhard Schmoeckel, formerly Head of the German Chancellery, then Director of the Bureau of the German President Karl Carstens, to thematise and discuss Ritter-Schaumburg's Thidreks saga research. The journal is available at library networks of German universities – if someone would claim the unreliability of this journal with regard to Ritter-Schaumburg, I would be ready to quote scholarly reliable authors appearing in this magazine. Badenhausen belongs to the scholastically selected authors whose books on Nibelungen and Thidreks saga research were reviewed by the Kommentierte Bibliographie 1945-2010: Nibelungenlied und Nibelungensage, De Gruyter Akademie Forschung, Berlin 2012. It is obvious that these reviews of Badenhausen do not contradict Ritter-Schaumburg. Thus, according to the most relevant policy WP:NOR in this matter, there is no doubt that Badenhausen is a qualified "prominent adherent" to be referenced in the article.--Tympanus (talk) 14:45, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

That journal is not referred to by any scholar studying the Thidrekssaga, and being the former head of the German chancery does not make you an expert on a medieval legend. Badenhausen is the equivalent of a

9-11 truther, not a scholar. EVERY book written on the Nibelungenlied is included in that bibliography (that's the definition of a bibliography).--Ermenrich (talk

) 17:58, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

File:Segar Bastard.jpg is a wrongly attributed image because the man in the photo is C. B. Fry. I removed the image from Segar Bastard. I don't believe the image is free use because you can see it in the Getty site and they are not public domain. Evidently one of our people uploaded from a rogue site without knowing its history. How do I go about having the image deleted or renamed? Thanks. No Great Shaker (talk) 17:04, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Hello, No Great Shaker. I see that you have nominated the image for deletion on Commons; but your nomination was faulty, as you have not given any reason. (If the image was indeed published before 1925 it is public domain whatever Getty may say). --ColinFine (talk) 17:20, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Colin. Yes, I'm struggling a bit with this. What's the best thing to do here? No Great Shaker (talk) 17:23, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Well, it depends what you are trying to do here, No Great Shaker. If you genuinely think the image should be deleted, edit the page in Commons to include the reason. If you think it is mislabelled, you can ask for a c:commons:File renaming - it would be best if you cited some evidence that it was the wrong person. --ColinFine (talk) 18:40, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

hwo can i delete my account or if this is not can delete then how to change username — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sulekh Site (talk • contribs) 09:07, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

@Sulekh Site: Accounts can't be deleted. For accounts with small number of edits, such as yours, just create a new account with the name you want and stop using this account. RudolfRed (talk) 20:39, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

However, do not create a new account before you successfully apply for an unblock on your current account. – Thjarkur (talk) 20:59, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Hello, I've been going through lists and noticed that not all generated Page Previews (https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Page_Previews) show images of the article, even if they are at the top of the article or included in the navbox. My question in how to force page preview to fetch the navbox image of the article as I would like this feature to work on the articles I create/edit? Zeeshka (talk) 22:32, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

@Zeeshka: Welcome to the Teahouse. I seem to remember this issue arising before, though right now I don't have an answer for you - though someone else might. But please would you be so kind as to supply some links to the articles that do not show a Page Preview? That would be very helpful to others who might be able to answer you. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:38, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: Thanks for a quick reply. Here's a link to the lis tpage I was looking Works based on Faust#Film and television

The particular page I am concern about is The Last Faust and is at the bottom of the list. Zeeshka (talk) 22:52, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

@Zeeshka: I see the infobox image in Page Previews for The Last Faust. But in general you cannot force an image to be chosen if it isn't chosen automatically. See mw:Extension:PageImages#Image choice. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:58, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Zeeshka: Further to what Prime Hunter says, I am currently also seeing an image when I mouseover the article, either in the full link you provided, or in the short wikilink to The Last Faust. BUT, I am NOT using Page Preview; instead I find Navigation Popups much more useful to the kind of work I do. This can be enabled in Preferences>Gadgets. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:04, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi there, just after some guidance. I

Thanks. -- Sirfurboy (talk) 21:44, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Just go ahead with it. See

WP:SILENCE - X201 (talk

) 22:15, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Ah, thanks :) I was reading that "no discussion" wrong. I thought it was just saying that discussion had stopped. Ok that makes sense then. Thanks again. -- Sirfurboy (talk) 23:06, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Over the last day or two, I have found when I click in the search box, a little menu drops down with the two items strikethrough and man-spreader. I have not previously searched for these items, and their appearance there is a mystery. Not causing any inconvenience, but it is a little disturbing. Koro Neil (talk) 01:50, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Koro Neil, I, actually, have the same question. In the drop down for me, `wife` shows up, when I have never searched that page.. I guess they might be automatic suggestions, but i'm leaning toward "a bug". MoonyTheDwarf (Braden N.) (talk) 01:52, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

@

here, at the technical noticeboard. Thanks again! Puddleglum ^2.0

05:49, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

​Most likely it's your browser's autocomplete, not Wikipedia. If you have ever searched "strikethrough" on another website it is stored as a possible autocomplete value for search boxes. Google Chrome has recently stopped obeying the autocomplete="off" attribute on text inputs. – Thjarkur (talk) 01:00, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Hello everyone.

I opened an account about two weeks ago with the sole purpose of creating a page, and apart from a few minor tweaks to other pages, was thinking that may be the entire of my Wikipedia experience. My page is awaiting review. But I popped in today to see if the review was moving along, not knowing if I would see any 'progress report'. It's still the same. So my eyes wandered over previous messages, and I saw, and clicked, on the Tea House link out of fascination really. I see Wiki is looking to build up the 'underrepresented groups' amongst editors. Women being one of them. That interested me. And well here I am. Are there any ongoing projects I can maybe get involved in and see if editing is something I'd like to get more involved in. As a hobby, I self-publish books on family research, and I love it! So you never know.... Cdefm (talk) 15:28, 19 January 2020 (UTC),

@Cdefm:: Hi, and welcome to the TeaHouse! If you are interested in creating articles and helping with underrepresented groups on Wikipedia, you could definitely consider joining WikiProject Women in Red, a project that aims to make articles for women. Your article is taking long to be noticed and reviewed because currently there are about 6,000 other drafts also waiting, and because every editor here is a volunteer, it's probably going to take up to 2-3 months. Hope this helped! Puddleglum ^2.0 15:47, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Articles about women. Not for women. --bonadea contributions talk 15:52, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

And my reply disappeared! So here goes again. Thanks for the help. I'll follow the link you shared for 'about women'. See what happens next. It's completely understandable why reviewing takes time. But the first one, well you know, it's your baby. I've refernced to Wikipedia a lot over the years. A hearty thanks to everyone who keeps Wikipedia going! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cdefm (talk • contribs) 16:00, 19 January 2020 (UTC) Cdefm (talk) 16:02, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Assuming you meant N. H. Wilson, which is now accepted as an article. Congratulations. Given that you have a conflict of interest (ancestor), you should probably say as much on your User page, and also refrain from continuing to edit the article. David notMD (talk) 21:16, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Is a great-grandparent connection really a COI? To me that seems more like any major interest, sort of like living in a certain city gives you an interest in that city, or being a fan of a sports team gives you a rooting interest in it. If it were a parent, sure. Grandparent, yeah, maybe. Great-grandparent...meh. --valereee (talk) 22:43, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, makes sense. Edit away. Keep in mind however that you do not 'own' the article. Other editors can add as long as refs are good. David notMD (talk) 01:53, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi,

I'd like to add a museum to the page: List of Museums in Orange County, California. I don't know how to 'add a row' to the table, or to do whatever needs to be done to add an entry.

ThanksAvra111 (talk) 02:57, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi

WP:UNSOURCED. -- Marchjuly (talk

) 04:40, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

@Avra111: I suggest that you read this help section; then if you don't understand it, come back here and tell us what it is that you don't understand. — Tonymec (talk) 04:31, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

P.S. I found it by clicking "Help" in the sidebar then following what seemed to be "interesting" links. — Tonymec (talk) 04:35, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

My father is not in the list. He spent six months in Mauthausen and was lucky to survive. 1,75 metres tall, he weighed 43 kilos when the camp was liberated in May 1945. He was in submarines in the Italian Navy and after the 1943 armistice he was recruited with others by OSS G1 (US Intelligence - became the CIA in 1956) to be sent behind German lines to spy. They were trained in Africa as parachutists and dropped behind German lines. My father was captured and sent to Mauthausen, entering in December 1944. We have his entry record from Mauthausen, but I do not know how to insert or append it.

I found his name on https://alchetron.com/List-of-Mauthausen-Gusen-inmates which refers to Wikipedia but did not find my father's name. I should try edit but may make a mess.

This all came to mind when I realised my father would have been 99 years old this year. Thank you,

Luigi Vatta — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.52.231.111 (talk) 01:30, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi IP 79.52.231.111. You might want to try discussing this at

Wikipedia notable. If that's the case for your father as well, then perhaps adding his name to the list wouldn't be challenged by other editors; if not, then maybe it might be harder convincing others to add him since lists like this are not necessarily intended to mention every possible person who might be a member of a particular group. Please try and understand that I mean no disrespect to either you or your father here; I'm just trying to sort of explain how deciding who to add and who not to add to a Wikipedia article like this is often determined. -- Marchjuly (talk

) 04:48, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Is it ever appropriate to create a wikipedia page about yourself? If so, what criteria are appropriate to justify a page about yourself? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Volcanoman7 (talk • contribs) 19:15, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

conflict of interest, and are willing to take copious criticism. Otherwise, it is a fools errand. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓

19:40, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

reliable sources

, sources unaffiliated with the subject.

You do have a user page(in your case,

WP:USERPAGE

for information on what acceptable user page content is.

Also please understand that a Wikipedia article is

not necessarily desirable. There are good reasons to not want one. Anything about you, good or bad, can appear in an article about you as long as the information is found in an independent reliable source and is not defamatory. You cannot lock an article about you to the text that you might prefer, or prevent others from editing it. Just some things to keep in mind. 331dot (talk

) 21:22, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Volcanoman7. Let's assume for the sake of discussion that a highly experienced Wikipedia editor later competed in the Olympics or the highest level of professional sports, or was elected to Congress or a parliament, or won a Nobel Prize, or a Pulitzer Prize or an Academy Award. Or something comparable. Let's also assume that person had no Wikipedia biography. Then that person could begin the draft of an autobiography and submit it to the Articles for Creation process, for review by experienced uninvolved editors. I am sure that review would be prompt and positive. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:24, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi! I'm new to Wiki so I don't know how to add informations or upload images , I've noticed that on some articles which require further I can contribute by adding some verified images from books related to the topic.

For context it's about the wiki page of

Zaros Holstein (talk) 05:57, 20 January 2020 (UTC)Zaros Holstein

Hi

there are lots of restrictions placed upon their use. Without knowing more about the specific images you want to upload and how you want to use them, it's kind of hard to give you anything but a general answer like you might find in Wikipedia:Image dos and don'ts and c:Commons:Licensing. If you have a specific question about a specific image, you might want to try asking for help at Wikimedia:Media copyright questions. -- Marchjuly (talk

) 06:50, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi, I made some changes to a page but when I've checked this morning the changes aren't there ? what did I do wrong? Also, how do I reference something (i.e. the changes I made referred to a physical document, how do I link the changes and the document?). Also, can I remove old inaccurate information? Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nellie3008 (talk • contribs) 08:42, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

WP:CITE

(how to cite content.

Your edits did not make it clear that you were removing 'old inaccurate information'; with this edit it seems that you removed cited content that was critical of the prison or those operating it. When you make an edit, you should provide either an edit summary(the small box below the edit window when you edit) or comment on the article talk page as to the reason for your edit. Please note that Wikipedia summarizes what appears in independent

reliable sources

. This means that information should not be removed just because it is 'old'. If the information has changed since then, the article can be edited to reflect that the information changed in such a way that it does not remove the old information.

If you are associated with the prison in some way(such as being a staff member or corrections official), you should review

paid editing. 331dot (talk

) 08:56, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

C._S._Gangadharan is tagged as orphan page. find link tool found relevant results 1977_Kerala_Legislative_Assembly_election and 1970_Kerala_Legislative_Assembly_election. should i just update code [[C._S._Gangadharan]] on above two pages.

what should i do more ?

Yes,

wikilink in that way, if it is the same person: if you use the page title with spaces [[C. S. Gangadharan]] it will look better. Once you've done so, you can also go to the original page and edit it to remove the {{orphan}} tag from the top. Make sure you give an edit summary explaining why you are removing something from it. Thank you for helping to improve Wikipedia. --ColinFine (talk

) 10:08, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Can anyone create a wikipedia article for me? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.91.254.0 (talk) 03:09, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi! What article are you looking to create? Have you tried making a draft article and submitting it to Wiki Project Articles For Creation? Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 03:31, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Hello, IP user, and welcome to the Teahouse. Usually when somebody asks for somebody to create an article "for me", they want an article about themselves, or something they are closely associated with (a company, or a band for example). If this is the case, I urge you to look carefully at whether the subject is

notable

in Wikipedia's special sense - roughly, that several people unconnected with the subject have chosen to write about it at some length and been published by a publisher with a reputation for editorial control. If your subject does not meet those criteria, then no article on it will be accepted, whoever writes it, and any effort that you or anybody else puts into it will be wasted.

If your subject does meet those criteria, then an article about it will be possible. Even then, though, I'm afraid that there is no reliable or easy way to get the article written. Wikipedia is a volunteer project, and people work on what they want to work on. If you want somebody to write an article about your subject, you will need to find a way to make somebody want to invest that time. You can post a request at

creating an article is one of the hardest tasks on Wikipedia, and it is even harder if you have a conflict of interest

, as I'm guessing you have - apologies if my assumption is wrong. Also note that if an article does get written about your subject, it will not be your article, and will not necessarily say what you want it to say.

All this adds up to - it is very hard for a new user to get an article written about a subject that they want covered. Most times when a new user wants an article on a particular subject, their purpose is to tell the world about it: this is called

promotion

in Wikipedia and is strictly forbidden.

All the blue words in my answer are links to pages where you can find more information. --ColinFine (talk) 10:20, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Hello! I'm having problems logging in in my account. Some days ago I logged off for the first time in many months and when trying to log in again it said that my username or password was wrong. I literally don't remember ever changing my password and I went on to see the saved passwords I had in Google Chrome for my Wikipedia accounts. There were three of them and all of them were the same as I remembered my password to be. After trying a few times with the same log in info, I gave up and tried the "I've forgotten my password" link which asked for my username and an email address, which I did gave. It then said an email would come with a new temporary password but it never came. I've been trying for some days the same thing and it never does. I've checked my spam messages but there's nothing in there. I'm actually one of the most active contributors in SqWiki and an admin (some admins from there can come and confirm my identity here as I've been talking with them on emails ever since this happened, actually those were the ones that told me to ask for help here) and I really don't wanna lose my account. Is there something I can do? This is my user page sq:Përdoruesi:Sadsadas. PS: I don't know if this is the right place to put this request as I haven't interacted with stewards before so if it is not, I'm sorry. Thank You - 185.212.191.85 (talk) 18:56, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Have any edits been made from your account since you logged out(which might indicate it was hacked)? 331dot (talk) 21:12, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

@331dot: No sir, the last edit is done on 15 January 2020 the day i accidentaly logged out. My edits. Thank You - 185.212.191.85 (talk) 10:28, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Maybe others have better ideas than I, so don't consider me the final word on the subject, but the only thing I can think of is that your email address was not typed in correctly(either when you requested the email or initially when you added it to your account)- even being off by one character would mean the email address is different. If you are unable to recover your password you will need to create a new account, unfortunately. 331dot (talk) 09:29, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Hello! I'm an admin and interface admin at SqWiki. One of the two admins Sadsadas was talking with on emails (he mentions me above). We're already discussing this issue on Meta on this link with some stewards. The problem is that he erroneously has removed his email from his preferences and he can't get the message with the temporary password now. If you're interested, for more information you can click on the above link. I think the discussion on Meta is the right place to have this kind of conversation and maybe you can go and close this discussion here, if you want. - Klein Muçi (talk) 09:46, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Hello, I’m trying to add a wiki link to my page in which i store a list of all the userboxes I’ve made into a userbox, but it comes up as a red link even though the destination is correct. Can anyone help?

I am a Nigerian technology entrepreneur and author. I have made appearances in many reputable African media platforms, some of which I'll be sharing the links below. I'll deeply appreciate it if someone here creates an article about me on Wikipedia. My name is Maximum Fredrick.

Below is the link to the news some media platforms made about me.

https://www.sunnewsonline.com/a-call-on-young-adult-africans/

https://thesourceng.com/a-call-on-young-adult-africans/amp/

https://www.modernghana.com/news/977788/a-call-on-young-adult-africans.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fredrick Maximum (talk • contribs) 11:22, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

@

WP:NOTPROMOTION. --CiaPan (talk

) 11:29, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

WP:PROUD is also worth a read. - X201 (talk

) 12:00, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Fredrick Maximum: all three of those links are to the same article, which is based on an interview with you. Please read notability: notability in Wikipedia's special sense depends on what other people, unconnected with you, have chosen to publish about you. However wonderful the things you have done, an interview with you does not contribute in any way to your notability in Wikipedia's sense: it would need several articles about you written independently of you. --ColinFine (talk) 12:33, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi, This is Dheeraj Kolla(artist) and I'm creating a wiki page but it's going to U5 deletion. So is there anyone to help me to create my wiki page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dheeraj Kolla (talk • contribs) 06:12, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi

here is generally going to be considered inappropriate and subject to deletion/removal. -- Marchjuly (talk

) 06:42, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Three times you have created an 'article' about yourself at your User page, and three times Speedy deleted. Wrong place, and perhaps wrong idea. If you truly believe your career as an artist meets Wikipedia's definition of notable, then create a draft and submit to Articles for creation (see above on how to). Attempts at autobiography are strongly discouraged, but not absolutely forbidden. David notMD (talk) 13:34, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

i have noticed category "Category:Articles using NRISref without a reference number" on

The template {{NRISref}} was called without using the refnum parameter in the template. Now fixed by this change. Thanks for pointing it out. --David Biddulph (talk) 15:01, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Am I allowed to (with definite permission from the author) cite information from Bachelor or Master Theses (Bachelorarbeit, Masterarbeit) if they can be accessed/read by everyone at a specific institute in a university? Cheers! --Hardtofindausername (talk) 13:58, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

verify, even if the source is not easy to find. – Thjarkur (talk)

14:42, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Also, Hardtofindausername, permission from the author is not required to cite a published source. Even if a short quote from the source is used, no permission is required. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 15:33, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

On the French Wikipedia, when I hover the mouse over an image (except in an infobox) that image temporarily zooms in. I've tried to enable the same feature by going through my enwiki preferences, but I couldn't find it. Does it exist on this wiki, and if it does, where should I look? — Tonymec (talk) 06:33, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

If you don't believe you enabled the feature, it may be automatic with a fr.wiki account. I visited and it did not happen for me. Never heard of it at en.wiki.--Quisqualis (talk) 08:16, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

@Tonymec and Quisqualis: I've also just nipped over to fr.wiki and had a play around. There is an option in Preference>Gadgets (link) called "ZoomOnThumb" which works quite well, but is not offered to us on en-wiki. However, if you are desperate, read the French documentation for this gadget (here) and you will see there are instructions for installing it on other wikis. I've just tried - and failed- to load it on my account (either in vector.js or common.js), but I'm rubbish at understanding scripts, so may well have done something wrong. Let us know if you get it working! Nick Moyes (talk) 10:34, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

@Quisqualis: Maybe I enabled it, maybe it's an fr.wiki default, but in any case I've had it over there for a long time and forgot how to do it.

@Nick Moyes: Thanks for this very enlightening answer. So to summarize: the corresponding gadget is not preinstalled at en.wiki, but fr.wiki has a tutorial at fr:Projet:Scripts et gadgets/Notices/ZoomOnThumb about installing it on one's own account on other wikis, however you tried and failed. At least I'm not left totally in the dark (especially considering that French is my mother language). Now I'm going to do some shopping, but when I come back I'll try to enable it on one or more of my en.wiki account, my nl.wiki account and my global account — unless I have something more pressing to do. Thanks again! :-) — Tonymec (talk) 11:09, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

@Tonymec: Only one correction to what you said: You don't need to follow instructions to install or remove it on fr.wiki - only on other wikis (it's a simple tick bock in Preferences which isn't ticked by default on French Wikipedia.) One of these days the software developers will realise how sensible it would be to premark every Preference setting to show which is and which is not activated by default. The 'Restore all Settings' button is too blunt an instrument to be of much use.  Nick Moyes (talk) 11:42, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Whether a gadget (not other preferences) is enabled by default can be seen on Definitions or Descriptions at the top right of Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:11, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: Yes, yes, the tutorial (or HowTo or whatever) is at fr.wiki, and to install that gadget here I follow what is said at "#Installation sur un autre wiki" of the above-mentioned fr.wiki notices page. But I guess vector.js is for the Vector skin and might not apply to my favourite CologneBlue skin (call me old-fashioned ;-) ) so I might try cologneblue.js or common.js or default.js or something.

@PrimeHunter: ah, thanks for the info. — Tonymec (talk) 13:11, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: that's news to me too, though my call would be for a clear and simple indication of all the defaults on the Preferences interface itself. Thanks for that. Nick Moyes (talk) 13:14, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: It worked at first try (I tested it by newly loading my user page — which has a photograph of me — from its user talk page). You can see the code (including the comments I added) at User:Tonymec/common.js — Tonymec (talk) 15:45, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
@Nick Moyes: I think that it only works on newly-loaded (or reloaded) pages, and it might be inactive on images inside a <div>, e.g. inside an infobox. — Tonymec (talk) 15:52, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Arun Kumar "Avi" Allahabad, Uttar Pradesh 221505 India Education - BSc, deled, MSc Hight - 5.6" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arun Kumar Avi (talk • contribs) 17:43, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

writing about yourself is highly discouraged. Finally, the Teahouse is a place to ask questions about editing Wikipedia. Did you have one? Usedtobecool ☎️

18:13, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

I am have requested the page protection on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achraf_Hakimi, however is being declined. Unregisted users are changing the name from "Achraf Hakimi Mouh" to "Achraf Kumar Hakimi". Can someone help? — Preceding unsigned comment added by HalfLifeKiss (talk • contribs) 17:25, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Hello, HalfLifeKiss, and welcome to the Teahouse. Please see Talk:Achraf Hakimi#Correct name, and if possible comment on sources in that section. Thank you for bringing this to wider attention. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 18:00, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Here are the sources: Transfer Market: https://www.transfermarkt.com/achraf-hakimi/profil/spieler/398073 Official Bundesliga Website: https://www.bundesliga.com/en/bundesliga/player/achraf-hakimi/profile HalfLifeKiss —Preceding undated comment added 19:34, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

The above article was created by me, but it has been nominated for deletion, how ever the article has no content on wikpipedia, and more over, the article hasn't got much external link that real talk about it. I creat it so others can work on it to make it better. I will be glad if any one can help work on this article. Thank you. amuzujoe (Talk) —Preceding undated comment added 19:16, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

@Amuzujoe: I don't see that the draft is nominated for deletion, but it was declined to be moved to article space. You can continue to work on the draft and when it is ready, you can click the resubmit button for a new review. RudolfRed (talk) 19:37, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy: Draft:Centre for National Culture, Accra (Art Centre). Declined is less severe than rejected. Articles can be started as Stubs, i.e. short, but from the beginnings, there should be references that establish notability. You as creator are responsible. David notMD (talk) 19:56, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Okay, thank you, i get it now, i will do exactly that and resubmit amuzujoe (Talk) 8:47(GMT), 20 January 2020

I am a member of the West Newbury Historical Commission and in that role having been writing unattributed monthly 1-page stories about the town's history. I have also written (so far one) Wikipedia article Julian Steele on the same topic that later was posted as a town Historical Committee story.

I am concerned that I may be accused of plagiarizing myself because two extremely similar articles are floating around on the internet. (Note that I have not & would never cite myself in a Wikipedia article--it's the other way around with WP cited as hyperlink in the town article.)

I tried to explain this on the Julian Steele talk page. I suppose if desired the Historical Commission could formally vote some sort of waiver or release.

An additional question is whether timing matters. Unlike the Julian Steele situation (where the Wikipedia article preceded the town article), there may be characters in prior town stories who would be appropriate subjects for a new Wikipedia article. If timing matters, how should such a situation be dealt with?

Any advice would be appreciated--

Thank you

Hello, West Newbury and welcome to the Teahouse. Probably the best way is for you to rewrite any such articles for Wikipedia so that they include the same facts, but in sufficiently different words that there would be no copyright issue, even if the Historical Society site were written by a stranger with no permisison granted. Then there is no problem no matter what. Besides, the tone and content of a historical society article might be different from what would be appropriate for Wikipedia.

It would be possible for the town site to release the content under a

CC-BY-SA

license, and include a statement to that effect on each page. But that would grant rights to anyone in the world to reuse for any purpose without any fee, subject only to a requirement to attribute, and to release under the same license. The town might not be willing to do that.

Order/timing does matter. Cases where a Wikipedia article is copied by another site (with or without proper attribution) are treated differently from cases where a Wikipedia editor has copied another site, even one created by that same editor. Absent a grant of permission, cases where Wikipedia is the more recent usually result in the article being deleted, or the copied content being removed. There is a template for noting cases where Wikipedia was first. See Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials for how to grant permission.

Also, West Newbury, please change your user name. Your present name implies that you represent the town, and perhaps that the account is shared with other town officials. That violates our Username policy. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 16:08, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

(ec) Hello

WP:C

should have all the relevant info on your conundrum. Of course, following all the legalese there is a different beast altogether. I am not sure I get it completely, or even at all.

As I understand it, when the Wikipedia article comes first, there are minimal issues as far as Wikipedia is concerned. If the wikipedia article is a shared contribution, republishing it requires compliance with the licensing terms (linking it back to the article or mentioning the usernames of original authors and making it clear that it is free for re-use under the same terms). If you are the sole author, even that is not required, as you own the copyright of the text you contribute here, and you are the only one who can sue reproducers of wikipedia text contributed by you. You should consider leaving a message at the article's talk page clarifying that the article came first so that copyright violation matches from automated tools can be more easily disregarded.

In case the Wikipedia article comes later, we've got serious issues. You would have to produce evidence that reproducing the text in question doesn't constitute a copyright violation, and even then it is frowned upon. Editors prefer wikipedia articles to be original/unique when they are first produced. Without evidence that there is no copyright violation, it is subject to immediate deletion as a possible legal liability, and repeat offenders are blocked from wikipedia. Hope this helps!

By the way, please consider if you might have a

WP:COI (that need to be formally disclosed) on any of your contributions here. Many editors make disclosures for even apparent conflicts of interest for the sake of transparency and to save on recurrent queries on that. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️

16:10, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Thank you both, DESiegel and Usedtobecool. I have applied for a name change and your advice about how to manage the town story (which indeed is different in tone and focus, but may well include the same phrases) vs. Wikipedia article is very helpful, though I will need to study this a bit more.

I will provide a disclosure/conflict notice on such articles' talk pages--should it be more or different from what I tried to do on the Julian Steele talk page? And after learning more about this, I will make it clear on the town website pages when a town story is derived from research & writing of a WP article.

Again, thank you.

I would appreciate it if someone would look at Pennsylvania Hall (Philadelphia)#Primary sources and tell me how to get rid of the error message. Thanks. deisenbe (talk) 20:12, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

This edit follows the advice given in the "help" link from the citation error message. --David Biddulph (talk) 20:20, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

@

oclc|27720902}} produces <templatestyles src="Module:Citation/CS1/styles.css" />[[OCLC]] [https://www.worldcat.org/oclc/27720902 27720902]. You could have written your own others= without using the template. However, {{Cite news}} says the parameter is for other contributions to the work, not other publications of it. PrimeHunter (talk

) 20:34, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi, I recently started looking more into xtools for article stats and noticed that there was a 'Bugs' section 'Powered by Project Check Wikipedia' that listed one bug that has been fixed already a few edits ago. Is it possible to remove the bug from appearing in xtools report or is it there to stay forever? Article's report in discussion https://xtools.wmflabs.org/articleinfo/en.wikipedia.org/The%20Last%20Faust Zeeshka (talk) 18:59, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi @Zeeshka: I actually don't think the specified bug was fixed, I just went ahead and fixed it in this edit. It will probably take a few minutes to reflect on xtools now. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 21:26, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks @SuperHamster: another editor has made the same fix before but it must have been overridden in a process. I will let you know if the bug report is not going away after a few days. Big thanks!!! Zeeshka (talk) 22:01, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Hello,

I've removed all the IMDb references. Added a few more reliable reputed online newspaper reports. I have removed most chatty sentences and made it more formal.Let me know the comments. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rickey.murrey (talk • contribs) 21:01, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Draft:Veena Nandakumar Nair DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 21:20, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Hello,

sign posts to talk/discussion pages with four tildes (~~~~) or use the "signature icon on the editing toolbar. The wiki software will convert this to your signature (which normally includes a link to your user page) and a timestamp. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs}

21:24, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

I think that Draft:Veena Nandakumar Nair has been significantly improved, but perhaps not enough. Thanks for getting rid of the IMDB cites and the blog. Current sources:

1. The malayalam.news18 source is not in English, and i cannot evaluate it.
2. The Times of India article from Dec 30, 2019, is an interview, and helps litlte with notability.
3. The Film Companion review praises Nandhakumar's performance, but only devoted a couple of sentences to it, concentrating on the male lead. Not really
   detailed coverage
   . Not much help with notability.
4. The Silverscreen India review also devoted only a couple of sentences to Nandhakumar, concentrating largely on the male lead. Therefore, not much help with notability.
5. The Times of India article from Sep 7, 2018 is all about the story of the film Thodraa, and devotes only one sentence to the performance by Nandhakumar, and that shared with the male lead. Proves that she appeared in this role, but no more than that.
6. The article from The Hindu has some value, although it is partly an interview.
7. The article from Newsbugz seems to have some value, but it is rather brief and superficial, not really in-depth coverage. I also do not know if this publication has a reputation for accuracy.
8. The article from New Indian Express says a greet deal about the move Kadam Kadha. But it only devotes one short sentence to Veena Nandakumar Nair, saying only that she had a role in this movie.
9. The article from Cinestan has a good deal to say about the writing and direction of Thodra, but only one sentence about Nair. This does nothing for notability.

In short there is still not multiple independent sources with

significant coverage cited in the draft. Sorry, but this is still not up to standards, in my view, unless the malayalam.news18 source is much better than I expect, given the length of the text compared to the amount of photos. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs}

22:24, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

If there is enough independent content regarding a person (not me by the way), can you pay a professional to write the article? I would add the content myself but I am unsure on the different coding requirements and it would take forever for me to do it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmm00086 (talk • contribs) 21:25, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

@

WP:PAID and the article must be neutral and not promotional. RudolfRed (talk

) 21:35, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi! So the page I am currently working on has been declined, but have credible sources. These sources have been accepted in past articles for creation and I was wondering if there was anything else specific that was missing in order to get the draft accepted? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Musicadjacent (talk • contribs) 19:38, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

notability criteria for musicians as well. 331dot (talk

) 19:46, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

331dot Thank you for your response. I understand, but if I give example of this page, it appears to be doing the same thing, as in stating the musician's released music. Unless you would say the sources are a bit stronger? Beau Vallis (singer) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Musicadjacent (talk • contribs)

I would say that article is equally as problematic as your draft. 331dot (talk) 20:13, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

331dot Ok, adding other sections like 'Early Life' and 'Career' to Draft:Baby Cate should help to make it less problematic, correct? If possible, could you tell me if the following sources/articles are appropriate:https://www.thehypemagazine.com/2017/08/baby-cate-word/ , https://www.pastemagazine.com/noisetrade/Music/babycate , https://www.discogs.com/release/13974975 , https://repertoire.bmi.com/Catalog.aspx?detail=artistid&page=1&fromrow=1&torow=25&keyid=6199372&subid=0 , https://musicbrainz.org/artist/a11a4565-2474-4544-9abd-49137c32593c , https://acidstag.com/2019/02/newcomers-baby-cate-the-swoons-low-island-night-lights/--Musicadjacent (talk) 22:05, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Every adult on Earth has an early life and a career, so no, that's not helpful. You need better sources. If that is the best you could find, then just wait for her career to mature. (She may choose another career in the meantine, though.)--Quisqualis (talk) 23:22, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

reliable sources, possibly in a "Critical response" section, are more likely to help. But remember no fan sites, no publisher sites, no blogs, no forum sites, nothing user-generated or crowd-sourced, and no press releases or interviews. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs}

00:03, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi! I'm looking into starting an article on a particular scientific collection, one maintained by a university on certain types of biological specimens. I like to use infoboxes in articles. What would be a suitable infobox to use for an article on a scientific collection? I can't seem to find a suitable one when scrolling through the List of Infoboxes. Thank you. Nolabob (talk) 00:16, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

Perhaps {{Infobox collection}}? --David Biddulph (talk) 00:30, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi

WP:GA to see whether they are using an infobox. You could also look at article which would fall under the same category as the one you want to create to see if they are using infoboxes. -- Marchjuly (talk

) 00:58, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

Hello, I am have been working on Tibet House US to remove a flag recently put on the article. I removed the non-neutral pov language the editor who flagged it had suggested in discussion. Would appreciate suggestions and have two questions.

1. Per discussion with the editor who did not reply to this part of our discussion, quoted here: "I made changes to the first section as you suggested. I do not see the quote "a group of Westerners sympathetic to the Tibetan cause" in the second sentence of the lead as non-neutral [and it is a direct quote from a newspaper article]. As to "best for articles about organizations to focus on their past accomplishments, rather than just on their current programs." I listed articles about past programs as footnotes to illustrate the programs that fulfill TH's mission. Would it be better to break it down further and list the past programs and citations in the history section instead?"

The non-neutral words, such as "unique" have been removed. I get that last point and will be adding more to the history section with text and footnotes illustrating past programs so it does not look like promotion. After that shall remove the flag. Is this adequate?

2. In the second paragraph I added a quote and broke it up for brevity. I looked for suggestions on this at Help:Footnotes, and on how to add a footnote or note with the full quote, thought I had seen this used in articles before as explanatory information, but could not find out how to do it. Would appreciate an editor's opinion on this and if the edited quote suffices.

The quote as it is now: "stipulates: "All ethnic groups in the People's Republic of China are equal. The state protects the lawful rights and interests of the ethnic minorities and upholds and develops a relationship of equality, unity and mutual assistance among all of China's ethnic groups. Discrimination against and oppression of any ethnic group are prohibited." ...and they have the freedom to preserve or change their own folkways and customs."[14]

Original quote in full: "stipulates: All ethnic groups in the People's Republic of China are equal. The state protects the lawful rights and interests of the ethnic minorities and upholds and develops a relationship of equality, unity and mutual assistance among all of China's ethnic groups. Discrimination against and oppression of any ethnic group are prohibited. Citizens of all ethnic groups in China enjoy all equal rights accorded to citizens by the Constitution and law. For instance, they have the rights to vote and stand for election, regardless of ethnic status, race and religious belief; their personal freedom and dignity are inviolable; they enjoy freedom of religious belief; they have the right to receive education; they have the right to use and develop their own spoken and written languages; they enjoy freedom of speech, of the press, of assembly, of association, of procession and of demonstration; they have the right to engage in scientific research, literary and artistic creation and other cultural pursuits; they have the right to work and rest, and the right to material assistance from the state and society when they are disabled; they have the right to criticize and make suggestions regarding any state organ or functionary; and they have the freedom to preserve or change their own folkways and customs."

Thank you. Ogmany (talk) 00:43, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

@Ogmany: Perhaps bring this up on the article's talk page? You might get better and more specialist advice there. I personally don't have an opinion, but you will probably get some advice and an answer on the talk page. Thanks! Puddleglum ^2.0 01:09, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

ping. – Thjarkur (talk)

02:31, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

I frequently encounter edits such as the infobox part of this edit, or even the seemingly manual reversal of an earlier such edit, in which a number of spaces are either added to or removed from the infobox in a distinct pattern. Can you tell me whether this is a case of the Infobox template being in need of adjustment? What, exactly, is being accomplished by such edits?--Quisqualis (talk) 22:59, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Quisqualis lining up the equals signs on the infobox parameters makes them appear neater when editing the wiki source, and may make it slightly easier to find a parameter value in the source. it has no effect at all on the displayed article, and is not really a good idea, although as long as it is not begin done by a bot, or in a bot-like repetitive way by a manual editor, it is rarely objected to. If done along with other changes that improve the article, no one objects that I know of. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 23:21, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Quisqualis, when that happens to pages I watch, it's editors updating the infobox using mobile editing. Or was it visual editing? Anyway, there is at least one automated process that automatically adds whitespaces to infoboxes that I've encountered. In this particular case, the block log of the editor in question might be of interest as well. Usedtobecool ☎️ 02:40, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

I'm trying to change the title of the Wikipedia article called 'The Squiz' (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Squiz) to 'The Squiz (TV series)' so I can make a new article called 'The Squiz'. I am unsure how to do this, as my account has not been autoconfirmed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lara robertson (talk • contribs) 03:09, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi

WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. What you might want to do is propose that "The Squiz" be moved to an new title either at Talk:The Squiz or at Wikipedia:Requested moves and see what others think. You're going to probably need to establish why "The Squiz" article you want to create is not the one which should be disambiguated, i.e. that it's the PRIMARYTOPIC when it comes to things referred to as "The Squiz". -- Marchjuly (talk

) 04:09, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi

WP:BOTs) know that there is a potential problem that might need to be reviewed/fixed. Articles tagged which such templates are usually added to a category page where articles with similar problems can be found, and there are editors who work off such pages trying to help clean things up. -- Marchjuly (talk

) 04:20, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi Team,

can you brief steps to create wiki page on Wikipedia. but not yet published the page.

kindly help us.

regards, sachin — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sachinharyan (talk • contribs) 05:44, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

@Sachinharyan: Please take a minute to read the responses you got in your previous thread (the one you link to above) and on your user talk page. You cannot create the article about yourself, for the reasons already explained to you there. You said "we have tried multiple times" – who is "we"? Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 06:48, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

Hello. I'm new but have made more than 10 edits and uploaded new images to wiki commons.

I want to remove this old image - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Park,_San_Francisco#/media/File:South-Park-18aug2004.jpg

And upload these 2 images: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:South_Park_SF_January_2020.jpg

and this one https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:South_Park_SF_top_view_January_2020.jpg

Thanks!— Preceding unsigned comment added by Domperri (talk • contribs) 05:52, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi

WP:CAUTIOUS if it's a major change or change that might be a bit contentious. You can be BOLD and change the image in the infobox, but you should discuss things on the article's talk page per Wikipedia:Dispute resolution if anyone disagrees and reverts the change.

If you're not sure how to add an image to an infobox, try taking a look at Help:Pictures for some general information. Since all of the relevant files do appear to be freely licensed files, you don't really have to remove one to add another, and all three images could possibly be used: one in the infobox and two in the body of the article. -- Marchjuly (talk

) 08:10, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

For instance, I have played Arkham Asylum, and added information from biographies in the game, which are verified. (Also, I’m also going to ask; Is it okay to add information that can’t be verified through WP but is verified in biographies in the game, and also verified in the comics?) Most of those edits have been reverted by some guy called DarkWarriorBlake, even though they are completely verified and visible in any video of the game. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Heroe Of Time (talk • contribs) 07:33, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

Heroe Of Time, You generally do need some source, but, you can easily just list the source as the game itself, or related material, just remember to be precise, so if you say it's from the comic, preferably be able to say which book and which page so that hunting to verify it isn't as difficult. MoonyTheDwarf (Braden N.) (talk) 07:41, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

• Batman: Arkham Asylum (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

There are some side-issues to this. First it's a featured article (

WP:FA

). So people get a bit protective about those, on the assumption that they're now completely perfect and no further changes are either necessary or acceptable. We ought to hold FAs to maintain the higher standard they've reached, but that's not the same as saying they're static.

They're also doing a lot of reverts on this, to many authors, so there might be a bit of

WP:OWN

going on. Which is a good thing up to a point, but it never means "Only I may edit this" or "I have some personal veto over everyone else".

There's also an issue with reverting like this, to remove what's effectively a list entry as "not notable".

WP:UNDUE

instead, which is a different standard.

Would I support the removals here? yes, I probably would (but it's not my field, so I could easily be wrong). I note that another editor,

WP:GF

addition by someone you've not encountered before, then it's incumbent on the editor reverting to explain why. Even an edit summary would be a help. After that, you should try and discuss it with them (article talk page) and find out why. This is pretty much always a very good thing to do. If in doubt, talk about it. Also, if they're the one being uncooperative, then you're now the good guy for having at least tried.

As to why I'd revert (I can only give a personal viewpoint), that's because parenthetical additions are poor copywriting. They're easy to add, but hard to read. We would hope that the copy-editing has already been done on an FA, so breaking up the flow of the prose would be a loss. Either work these additions in in a fluid maner, or don't add them. I'm also unconvinced that they add much. The only one I might add would be the last one (which Bonadea was specifically against) where you note that there's a variety of opponents making that 'Fatal Attraction' grab for the floating box at the end (you noted that this varied, the embedded note says not to add a single name). Andy Dingley (talk) 08:23, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

(

synthesis of things sources say

, is not allowed. Your edits added information in the middle of text that was already sourced to secondary sources, and since the info you added can not be found in those sources (according to what you say above), you can't simply add it to what is already there without providing your source. I am not sure what the principles for game plots are, if it is actually OK to use the game itself as a source, but I note that other sources in the plot section are secondary, that is, not the game but some independent source writing about it. One of the pieces of info you added also seemed to ignore a clear note that said not to add that to the article.

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