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On 3 November 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Mary Dee, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Mary Dee (pictured), a popular radio personality in Pittsburgh, Baltimore, and Philadelphia, is widely regarded as the first African-American woman disc jockey in the United States? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Mary Dee. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Mary Dee), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

 — Amakuru (talk) 12:01, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article

criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Gog the Mild -- Gog the Mild (talk

The article Daisy Yen Wu you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Daisy Yen Wu for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already appeared on the main page as a "Did you know" item, or as a bold link under "In the News" or in the "On This Day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear in DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On This Day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Gog the Mild -- Gog the Mild (talk) 18:01, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article

criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Gog the Mild -- Gog the Mild (talk

The article Leda Valladares you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Leda Valladares for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already appeared on the main page as a "Did you know" item, or as a bold link under "In the News" or in the "On This Day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear in DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On This Day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Gog the Mild -- Gog the Mild (talk) 23:21, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

On 4 November 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Danièle Aron-Rosa, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the French painter Genskof is a pioneer in laser eye surgery? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Danièle Aron-Rosa. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Danièle Aron-Rosa), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:02, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

On the basis that she was born in a French colony, studied in France, works in France, and is described as "French" by sources such as this. GiantSnowman 16:43, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

GiantSnowman A lot of the sources call her French and mistakenly show that she was born in France. I don't really think that makes her "only" French, I think it indicates that others have read a source that called her that and continued the error. Other sources identify her Tunisian roots and correct place of birth, so De Benedetti isn't a one-off. SusunW (talk) 16:53, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

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) 18:02, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Not every country has the same nationality laws as USA...regardless of how she identifies, does a person born in a French colony who spent nearly her whole adult life in mainland France have the citizenship of the colony when it becomes independent? I know, for example, there are lots of Indian-born British people who aren't Indian... GiantSnowman 18:08, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

And therein lies the rub. WP policy on ethnicity ignores the historic fact that women had no citizenship in their own right. If we identify women born before the 1950s as being citizens of X that is often incorrect, as that was their ethnicity. Their citizenship could be changed multiple times in their lifetime without their ever formally requesting a change in citizenship. It's discussed in detail in Maymie de Mena if anyone is interested. I honestly have no idea if she has Tunisian citizenship, but to my mind, it is irrelevant, as she is a living person who identifies as Tunisian. And by the way GiantSnowman, I have no idea how to "move the discussion to the talk page" since it started elsewhere. Technical stuff is beyond my skill. SusunW (talk) 18:29, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

You do it by literally stop posting on my talk page and start posting at Talk:Danièle Aron-Rosa! :) GiantSnowman 18:32, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

LOL GiantSnowman thank you. I have posted there and referred to the discussions on your pages and mine. Hopefully I did that correctly. SusunW (talk) 18:43, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi, I wonder if anyone's going to notice that I passed 50 DYK nominations? Would you mind awarding me a medal? Here it is: {{The 50 DYK Nomination Medal}} Thanks! Yoninah (talk) 23:31, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Congratulations and yes, I'd love to! SusunW (talk) 23:37, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

On 8 November 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Alma Vessells John, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that after working to desegregate nursing in the US, Alma John (pictured) produced the 1970s television show Black Pride, interviewing prominent figures like Rosa Parks and Ella Fitzgerald? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Alma Vessells John. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Alma Vessells John), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:01, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

On 10 November 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Alba Roballo, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that four-term Uruguayan senator Alba Roballo was also an award-winning poet with a rebellious spirit? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Alba Roballo. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Alba Roballo), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

 — Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

On 11 November 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Adelia Silva, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the case of Adelia Silva, an Afro-Uruguayan teacher who was removed from three different schools due to her race, generated national attention and disciplinary action against one of the principals? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Adelia Silva. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Adelia Silva), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

—valereee (talk) 12:02, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

I just wanted to leave a little note here that I will probably have to take a break from Wikipedia as Winter is really starting to ramp up here. We have about 14 in or about 35.5 cm of accumulated snow so far. I am going to hold on as long as I can. I hope you and your family are well and, if nothing else, I will write you in the Spring. --

Tsistunagiska your presence will be sorely missed, but I understand how difficult it can be. Hurricane season certainly impacted my ability to contribute this year, but I continue struggling along. I will miss your input. Stay safe. SusunW (talk

) 17:18, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

On 19 November 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Daisy Yen Wu, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Daisy Yen Wu helped establish the new field of nutrition research at Peking Union Medical College? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Daisy Yen Wu. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Daisy Yen Wu), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

—valereee (talk) 00:02, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Here her maiden name is Axelrod and here is the geni.com page for her. Yoninah (talk) 23:56, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

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Sydney Lewis, 79, Art Collector and Patron

By Roberta Smith

March 16, 1999

Sydney Lewis, a leading collector of contemporary art, Art Nouveau and Art Deco, and a major benefactor of the Virginia Museum of Fine Arts in Richmond, died on Friday at Medical College of Virginia Hospitals in Richmond. He was 79 and had been ill for some time, his family said.

With his wife, Frances, Mr. Lewis founded Best Products in 1958, an early and highly successful showroom catalogue business that specialized in household appliances, jewelry, toys, sporting goods, cameras and electronics.

But the couple found their true calling in the early 1960's, when Mr. Lewis's doctor told him that he was working too hard and needed a diversion. Acting on a lifelong common interest in the arts, the Lewises turned to collecting contemporary art, concentrating at first on Pop Art and Photo Realism.

Over the next 20 years they amassed an enormous collection and became close friends with many artists. They frequently acquired art through trades of Best Products goods, enabling many struggling artists to furnish their lofts with appliances and televisions and to live in relative comfort, sometimes before they were selling much work.

By the early 1970's, the Lewises began traveling to Europe and building substantial collections of Art Nouveau and French Art Deco works. They were known for buying masterpieces, but also for representing important artists in depth, including Charles Rennie Mackintosh, Eileen Gray, Jacques-Emile Ruhlmann, Emile Galle and Louis Majorelle, as well as Louis Comfort Tiffany.

The Lewises gave their first work of art to the Virginia Museum of Fine Arts in 1969, and in 1971 they established acquisition money for contemporary art and Art Deco objects. Mr. Lewis served on the board for most of the 1980's and 90's. In 1985, the couple donated more than 1,500 artworks to the museum, making it the home of the most important collection of Art Nouveau outside Paris and of an especially beautiful selection of Tiffany lamps. With Paul Mellon, they donated money for the museum's West Wing, completed in 1985, which houses the Syndey and Frances Lewis Galleries and the Paul Mellon Collection.

Mr. Lewis was born in 1919 in Richmond, where his parents owned a small publishing company. He graduated from Washington and Lee University in 1940 and spent two years at the university's law school. He married Frances Aronson, whom he had met during his sophomore year in college in 1942. While serving in the Army during World War II, he was sent to Harvard University for a military program in business administration. Completing his law degree just after the war, he practiced law briefly in Richmond and then worked in his father's business until he decided to start his own.

Best Products was incorporated in 1958 and at its height had more than 200 showrooms in 27 states and annual sales of $2 billion. The company's stores offered further esthetic possibilities; the Lewises began commissioning designs for them from the New York firm of S.I.T.E., which specialized in trompe-l'oeil architecture. They subsequently had their Philadelphia store designed by Venturi, Rauch & Scott Brown.

Mr. Lewis was also a board member of the Whitney Museum of American Art in New York and the Hirshhorn Museum and Sculpture Garden in Washington. He served on the trustees' committee for architecture and design at the Museum of Modern Art in New York, where he and his wife established a fund that enabled the Modern to acquire several architectural models, including that of Frank Lloyd Wright's Fallingwater.

The Lewises' philanthropies included $1.5 million to help establish Eastern Virginia Medical School; $2 million for a business school at Virginia Union University, where Mr. Lewis was a trustee, and $9 million to Washington and Lee for a law school building and the development of a legal studies center.

In addition to his wife, he is survived by two sons, Sydney Lewis Jr. of Miami Beach, and Andrew M. Lewis of Richmond; a daughter, Susan Lewis Butler of Washington, and six grandchildren. Yoninah (talk) 23:52, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks! I really appreciate the help. I'm not sure this is my guy though, as I am looking for Sidney with a wife of Florence and they lived in Miami. I think they would have been of the same age as this guy, rather than his son. I'll keep digging. SusunW (talk) 23:58, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

On 26 November 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Leda Valladares, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Leda Valladares produced a "Musical Map of Argentina" to document her country's folk music traditions? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Leda Valladares. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Leda Valladares), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 00:01, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

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November

look! - ever so proud of the little article which is my DYK 1500 and relates to DYK 1 - by sheer coincidence! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:49, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Congratulations! I love it when articles link to other articles I've written. SusunW (talk) 21:55, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

So do I. The first one was deleted within minutes, but I found a great helper - sadly not active anymore - who not only told me what to do to please the notability police (recordings! prizes!) but also nominated for DYK once rescued. I wanted to write no other article, but there was this red link ;) - I feel that articles on average lead to three more red links. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:00, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Mine lead to an average of 10-20, I'm thinking. LOL SusunW (talk) 22:03, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Sorry for butting in here but in my recent attention to textile artists, I have noticed a considerable number of articles which mention really outstanding women artists but do not redlink them. I only discover the unlinked names when I search for them after creating a new article. Have we reached the stage where editors fail to wikilink names as they don't want to be accused of not writing articles about them or they don't want their articles look unfinished? I've noticed the tendency developing over recent months (perhaps even years) but it really comes out in textile arts. Perhaps we should just go through some of the pertinent articles and redlink all the names deserving coverage. I've started by redlinking quite a few Swedish names in Hedvig Ulfsparre and Scandinavian rugs (and will try to turn them blue as time permits) but it seems to be a more general problem.--Ipigott (talk) 20:20, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

I'm not familiar with that area, but can't complain about lack of red links in today's DYK, Gudrun Schröfel. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:32, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

I think there are folks who don't understand the importance of redlinks Ipigott. I've had people take them out of articles I've written, but I typically just put them back. I keep thinking I am going to finish my latest project, (poll tax repeal), but I haven't yet. Will have lots of redlinks in it, I mean lots, that I will need help with converting if I decide to take it to FA. I don't know how we go about convincing people that redlinks are vital. SusunW (talk) 21:01, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

look for bright memories + a DYK with red ill links (and someone complained) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:15, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Congrats! and sorry for the whingers. I really don't understand that mentality. SusunW (talk) 23:34, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for article work in November! Look today at BB music, a little crusade of mine ;) - his birthday on St Cecilia's day, patron saint of music. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:46, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. It's been a tough row, but trying to get all these activists done for the big article. Nice play on words...crusade. Congrats! SusunW (talk) 18:01, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

Today's DYK: to be sung "happily" --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:14, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi, I see you have this super-duper new article. I think it would lend itself best to an explanatory hook, like:

Poll tax receipt for Rosa Boyles of Jefferson County, Alabama

• ... that after securing the right to vote in 1920, women living in the Southern United States fought against paying a poll tax (receipt pictured) for the next 40 years?

What do you think? Yoninah (talk) 23:07, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

You are too fast! I didn't post it here because 1) Gog the Mild thinks we should go straight to FA nomination and the plan is to nominate it on Monday and 2) I am still working on images. That being said, if you think it works well for a DYK, that'd be lovely. I appreciate your hard work on DYKs and helping to give exposure to articles on women. SusunW (talk) 23:13, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Actually, I had seen the redlink in the lead of Florence Lewis (activist) and when I came back now to nominate that article, I saw that the link is now blue. It definitely is FA-class, but since DYK only goes as high as GA nominations, I would like to nominate it now. Yoninah (talk) 23:31, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Feel free. I wanted to finish it by election day, but literally it took me over a month to get all the research done and then with the help of a bunch of others do all the red links. Just waiting for the last of the Thanksgiving dinner to come out of the oven, so I'll be out for the rest of the night, but truly appreciate your work on Lewis and this. SusunW (talk) 23:36, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Are you trying to avoid me? I have plenty of QPQs to be able to nominate anything you want. Yoninah (talk) 14:50, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Yoninah No I'm not, at all :). There were 21 articles that had to be written about the women in the poll tax movement. I gave you the ones that I did that I thought might be more interesting. Anthony I felt deserved to be a GA. Ian reviewed it and thought I needed to add more to it to explain about why she was accused of being a communist. So, I've been trying to expand it so I can nominate it for GA. I kind of figured my 7 day timeline for creating her would be pushing you to nominate it within the window, because I've been editing sporadically on her what with Thanksgiving and trying to get the photos in the poll tax piece. Still working my way through Red Feminism, so she isn't finished. I'll let you know when she has been reviewed. SusunW (talk) 14:57, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

OK. I thought I came up with a pretty good hook for Sarah Wilkerson Freeman, which I found by searching your contributions history :) I'll wait for you to ping me on new articles that you think are ready. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 15:13, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Yoninah I loved that hook. I noticed yesterday someone had tagged the article, and so I expanded it with information about her curatorial work (another reason I haven't finished Anthony). It happened like I had hoped. Innisfree, TJ and I scraped the barrel to get enough info to show she was notable, but I wasn't sure we had enough for GNG. We took it live and then more sources came up in the search. It's weird to me how that happens, but whatever changes the search algorithms of before and after it's helpful to have it happen. I'm comfortable that she now passes both. SusunW (talk) 15:23, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

On 8 December 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Ronnie L. Podolefsky, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that in 2006, social-justice advocate Ronnie L. Podolefsky represented six female athletes who accused their high-school basketball coach of sexual misconduct? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Ronnie L. Podolefsky. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Ronnie L. Podolefsky), and it may be added to the statistics page if it received over 400 views per hour. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:01, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

Journal Entry: How are you, Susun? The next week or two are the worst of the year for me. I love sunshine, bright skies and exploring. I don't mind the temps but for me there is nothing like hitching up the dogs and just heading out to explore. I almost feel like I need a disclaimer on my user page saying I apologize for any crazy and ridiculous things I say or do over the next few weeks from being stuck in this house. Cabin fever is real!! Down to less than two hours of daylight and the sun barely makes it above the horizon but we never see it because of the mountains. We get some of the light though and it is a brief and fleeting respite. I adjust but will never get used to the lack of freedom no matter how many years and winters I go through here. My light will mostly come from a lantern, a light bulb or a flame over the next few weeks. At least I'm not stuck here with my insanely annoying brother, whom I love dearly, this year. I actually miss him. --

Tsistunagiska Pot of chili simmering on the stove. I am freezing and wearing trousers, socks and a sweater (it's 27C, i.e. 80F). I cannot imagine how you can function. I think it would drive me insane to be confined in the house, as I literally spend at least 1/2 of every day outside. Even with COVID, I may have been home, but we have always been able to hang on the back patio or garden and the windows are always open, letting in fresh air. May winter pass quickly from your door (and if not, come south). SusunW (talk

) 18:50, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

Our temperature fluctuates so much this time of year, not!!! Our high is -21c and our low is -22c for today. Next week is shaping up to be our coldest yet though. We will see highs around -24c and lows approaching -38c. We will be seeing temps below -40c very soon. When we first moved here we had an older generator and it shut off at a certain time during winter. This generator can run all day and night if we need it to but we have also upgraded our solar system for summer and batteries for when the generator needs a break during winter. It's better to run it at cold temps though or you may not get it started again. --

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) 19:08, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

That sounds brutal. It rarely goes below 70F here and that to me is unbearable. Okay, in truth it might be if we had heat, or clothes for it, or shoes for it, or if the houses were insulated in any way, but they aren't. Houses are designed to allow air in here, not seal it out. Literally, I own 2 outdoor pairs of sandals and an indoor pair, 1 sweater, 1 shirt with long sleeves and 1 pair of trousers (all are cotton). Most of the time, a sundress is all that is required. Heck, we lit the boiler for the first time all year yesterday because I just couldn't face a cold shower when it is so cold outside. LOL SusunW (talk) 19:44, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

Ummm, my shower consists of heating water, putting it in a special container that looks like a plastic tank, standing under it and opening a valve. You either have to add water to the tank or you are done when the water runs out. Yeah, its wonderful. I usually shower outside during Summer so there's that. --

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) 20:41, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

Sounds like my grandparents' place in Arkansas, except the tank was wood and you had to haul the water from the creek. SusunW (talk) 20:46, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

During the summer we either can draw it from the tank or from the creek. I just usually wind up in the creek. It's much easier that way but the water can be very cold because it's basically glacier water. I make my own soap using environmentally safe and natural ingredients. --

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) 21:24, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

On 9 December 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Sarah Wilkerson Freeman, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that American historian Sarah Wilkerson Freeman curated a photo exhibit depicting the fluidity of race, gender, and sexuality in New Orleans during the McCarthy era? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Sarah Wilkerson Freeman. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Sarah Wilkerson Freeman), and it may be added to the statistics page if it received over 400 views per hour. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

 — Amakuru (talk) 12:03, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

On 10 December 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Florence Lewis (activist), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that NCJW activist Florence Lewis was invited by President John F. Kennedy in 1963 to a White House discussion on how women's organizations could help solve civil rights issues? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Florence Lewis (activist). You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Florence Lewis (activist)), and it may be added to the statistics page if it received over 400 views per hour. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

—valereee (talk) 12:01, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

	The Special Barnstar
	I wanted to thank you for all of the hard work you put in to Wikipedia. I appreciate your kindness. I appreciate your dedication. I appreciate all of the colors that make you who you are, Susun. A beautiful rainbow. I just wanted to let you know that someone does see you and acknowledges your greatness. talk ) 16:14, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

Gracias mi amiga. I appreciate that you make me smile. That is a very special gift. SusunW (talk) 16:18, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

On 11 December 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Women's poll tax repeal movement, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that after U.S. women secured the right to vote in 1920, those from the South fought against paying a poll tax for the next 40 years? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Women's poll tax repeal movement. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Women's poll tax repeal movement), and it may be added to the statistics page if it received over 400 views per hour. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:02, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi,

Since recently you were in discussion about issues relating sourcing @ WT:WIRED and today I came across a small difficulty I wish to discuss with you.

A new user recently created a new article Women related laws in Pakistan as part of some Women in Pakistan related gap reduction project initiated from meta. (One unrelated background for this discussion The article ran into trouble with copyright issues. Usually national laws are supposed to be copyright free so initially I just contested deletion and was informed that there was some more likely copyright infringement. Finding the topic interesting and Wikipedia does not have similar article 'Women related laws for X country' I decided to rescue article by creating a stub with fresh sourcing @ Talk:Women related laws in Pakistan/Temp as per due process, since lot of reliable sources are easily available on the given topic.

When I was in technical discussion on some other issue @ Wikipedia:Teahouse the guiding user digressed into allegedly non reliability of my source in my example of Journal URL(PDF) for the reason it does not have a DOI (so allegedly self published ?). Since my topic this time in hand has several alternate sources available so it's not a big deal for me to abandon it and find a new. But since I saw your discussion I thought I should seek your opinion since the article I sourced (PDF) is well referenced well balanced written academic research paper by departmental professor of Pakistan's oldest university namely University of the Punjab then this link of the journal home page shows that it has a ISSN number.

Though I am not too dependent on the source this time but usually one has invested enough time and energy in searching and again copyright free close paraphrasing, some one suddenly asking/expecting to abandon some well balanced source is bit troubling. Do you feel I do abandon such sources or stick to the same and hold my ground ? Seeking your opinion.

Again I want to cite one more earlier instance from one article about a research paper by doctors of a Pakistani army sponsored hospital. The paper seemed balanced and self critical, then some one objected saying the journal is not famous enough hence self published journal by institution so not reliable. and I did abandon that source.

Specially when I work on non popular genre of human rights articles I get less general support (though you have been supporting) and face army of deletionist too frequently with huge number of rejection from article titles, Coat rack objections to objection to sources if nothing else objection of being undue it's too long non stop list . This kind of policies make task of contributing too uphill.

Thanks and warm regards

Bookku (talk) 11:15, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

Hey Bookku. Thanks for coming here to ask questions. Whether or not an article has a DOI, has nothing at all to do with its reliability. Nothing. DOI means Digital Object Identifier and is simply a number assigned to facilitate referencing (like an ISBN or OCLC number). It has only been being assigned since the 21st century, is rarely used outside the US/UK, often ends up being behind a paywall, etc. etc. The person who told you that it has to do with reliability doesn't understand either the purpose of the number or sourcing reliability, unfortunately. As for your Pakistan Vision the question is not whether it has an ISSN (just a journal identifier like ISBN for books, etc.) but whether the source is curated (has another editor with experience/credentials reviewed it), or peer reviewed. A brief search, shows it is A bi-annual, peer reviewed research journal 'Pakistan Vision' has also been published on a regular basis, thus it meets WP requirements for reliability.

The same holds true for the other reference you want to use which was deemed "not famous" enough. Fame has nothing to do with reliability of a source (The Daily Mail is famous, but sources indicate it is typically unreliable and sensationalist).[2],[3],[4] We see a lot an argument that women's journals aren't reliable because they are not independent enough, meaning they are too close to the subject or don't have wide enough circulation. Size of circulation is not an indicator of reliability, as it has nothing to do with how material is published, but rather about how it is consumed (bought, read). Academia and mainstream media in general tend to focus on mainstream subjects, meaning that there is little content available outside of general interest or currently hot topics. For specialized information on various non-mainstream fields, in my opinion, journals produced by university departments or organizations and local newspapers focusing on those topics are exactly where we should be looking for the best materials on these subjects. The question again is are they reliable? Who is publishing them? Are they peer reviewed and/or curated? Who is the author? What is the author's reputation? (I once used local newspaper source and was told because it was not a national newspaper it was unreliable. The person continued arguing that the source was unacceptable because it was a local paper even after I showed them evidence that the paper had won 5 Pulitzer Prizes and that the author of the article had been recognized by the American Society of Journalists and Authors. It took another editor reviewing it to defuse the objector.) Do your homework on the source. Look at both who is publishing it and who wrote it. If you can satisfy yourself that they are reliable you will be prepared to answer challenges. (You can also create a stub on the source, i.e. 'Pakistan Vision' to provide your evidence that they are peer reviewed and university produced.) Good luck. SusunW (talk) 15:24, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks SusunW your analysis is very helpful. Also I had missed on that mention of 'peer reviewed' thing from their website, and I was not well aware of function of DOI. This way such discussions are helpful.

IMHO if any information is corroborated by another independent source or criticized at any forum, or those source articles which include self criticism too need to be liberally accepted. Confirming intellectual identity of an article with antecedents of parents of the author and which vehicle he travels in seems fallacious Argument from authority to me. At the most reliability check is needed for facts, But views are views, to see that the views are not original research of Wikipedians is more than enough, why does 'any view' needs reliability check? just representing them proportionately should be enough. But formation of Wikipedia seems to have taken place under intense international socio political pressures, so peace is achieved by incorporating exclusionary tactics in policy making. I find many of the policies here logically very strange, supportive of information black out hence lop sided. At times it's frustrating to navigate from this all. Certainly few helpful Barnstar people like you keep it lively and easy to breathe.

Thanks and warm regards.

Bookku (talk) 16:27, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

Just a note to say you have my sympathy re the dentist, and that I am really enjoying reviewing the article. Your prose is among the best I've seen at FAC; it's a pleasure to try to find constructive comments rather than having to pick through multiple problems. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 20:55, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

Mike Christie Thank you so much. I'm fairly good at writing and researching, it's the technology that gets me. Credit where credit is due, Gog the Mild was a big help in internationalizing it, because it is often difficult for me to judge how confusing our state/national system of laws is to people not from the US. It'll probably be tomorrow before I am fully back with you, but I appreciate your sympathy. Even though I like my dentist, going there is never a party :) SusunW (talk) 21:08, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi SusunW, you have some experience identifying if photos from Newspapers.com and yearbooks are in the public domain. Do you mind checking these and letting me know your thoughts on these? [5][6][7] (page 13). I'd love to add a PD photo to this article I started today. Thanks! TJMSmith (talk) 00:47, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

Morning TJMSmith. Okay, well, here's what I do with them. 1st I look up the masthead and then search through every page of the paper to find the publishing data for the issue containing the article I want to use . You need to look through every page because sometimes there is more than one. If none of those indicate the paper is copyrighted, I confirm that by looking it up in the Catalog of Copyright Entries. I usually check two years, as it rolls in I think March. Then search through the volume, in this case periodicals, for the name of the newspaper as it appears on the Masthead. Looking at 1950 and 1951 I confirmed there are no entries for the Star-Times though there are other items that contain St. Louis. In this case, there is no author given, but if there were, you'd need to verify they also have no listing. If it was copyrighted, then you need to go back to the Catalog and search renewals to see if the number assigned was renewed 28 years after the original recording. Then I go to the school of image licensing and ask GRuban if he concurs with me. If he does, then I load it with the tag {{PD-US-no notice}} and add the publishing info I researched to the record. (If it was copyrighted, but not renewed {{PD-US-not renewed}}).

I'm going to leave the middle one for you to try. On the Lindenwood College Bulletin you do the same thing, search through each page for the publishing data. I only found a notice on page 2 and it doesn't say anything about copyright. The photograph itself gives no photographer, nor is one listed for the volume that I could find. So back to the Catalogs only this time you are looking at Books and pamphlets and periodicals. I check both because yearbooks, bulletins, etc. can be either in my experience. Neither 1949 or 1950 show anything for books or 1949 or 1950 periodicals. It also looks to be {{PD-US-no notice}}. If the image is in an advertisement, there are other criteria. Because these are fairly difficult and it is easy to overlook something, I usually ask for a second set of eyes, even if I am pretty sure. Hope that helps. Let me know how you make out on the second one. SusunW (talk) 15:20, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

This was hugely helpful. I will save these steps so I can refer back to it for future articles. I searched the second newspaper [8] following your steps above and came to the same conclusion (PD-US-no notice). It's always awesome when there are PD pictures in articles! Thanks again for your guidance! TJMSmith (talk) 14:39, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello, I wonder if you might her this lasting truncation? "Her family were She studied" https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lina_Poletti&diff=prev&oldid=963774855 Thank you, Sunny Clark (talk) 17:39, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Done. SusunW (talk) 17:57, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

I heard from Megalibrarygirl that you are good at this. I would like pointers on how to do this. Among others, the page for Susan Morey is missing a date of birth. Thanks for any help you may provide. Mvitulli (talk) 18:17, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Mvitulli I can help you with dead people. I don't usually attempt birth information on living people that isn't widely published, especially women, who might become impacted by ageism bias. SusunW (talk) 19:13, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks SusunW. Where do you look? Some people get birth dates/years ISNI authority control file. I do not know how to use this. Mvitulli (talk) 22:19, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Mvitulli If they are dead I look in newspapers.com or newspaperarchive.com. Also primary records are available at Family Search but you need to create a free account and sign in. If you want to use VIAF or ISNI just go there and type in their names. SusunW (talk) 22:29, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks SusunW. I have a subsciption to newspapers.com and ancestry.com and family search so I know how to deal with dead people. I have never had any luck looking up someone in VIAF or ISNI. I tried today and came up empty. Mvitulli (talk) 01:00, 16 December 2020 (UTC)