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Die Zeit, die Tag und Jahre macht

Happy New Year

2024

Like 2019, remember? -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:23, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

The 2023 picture is from the Abel Fest in Köthen, celebrating the tercentenary of Carl Friedrich Abel, a viol virtuoso, composer and concert organiser in London (together with Bach's youngest son), born on 22 December 1723 in Köthen, where the new catalogue of his works was introduced, - my story today. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:35, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Wow, 420 compositions as opposed to 233 is a big jump. I can't help but think digitization plays a huge part in that because it seems too coincidental that someone would just happen across a collection in Poznań. I have always said digitization is a big part of uncovering women's histories too. Very cool article. SusunW (talk) 23:03, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Yes, and thank you. Article was supposed to appear with the festival, but no, then for the composer's birthday, but no (but in German), then pictured, but no - such is DYK. What do you think of the Anna Nekhames nom? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:53, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

I have a DYK on the Main page, but

Figaro, - this Figaro. - The former question is still open. --Gerda Arendt (talk

) 16:57, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

I read through the thread on Nekhames, but I am not remotely qualified to make an argument. I have no earthly idea what is broadly appealing. Sim has a lovely and powerful voice. Thank you for sharing. SusunW (talk) 19:25, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

What I don't understand is why there are people who think that a title such as Le Grand Macabre is not interesting, by itself. Nevermind, something is approved. - On the Main page: the person who made the pictured festival possible --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:14, 16 January 2024 (UTC)h

story · music · places

Thank you for improving articles in January! I remember Ewa Podleś on the Main page, and have - believe it or not - two musical DYK. Shalom chaverim. On vacation, with something for your sweet tooth --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:35, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. I am enjoying my challenge to myself - to write an article and chain it to a redlink from that article. So far there are 6 in the chain and I am working on the 7th. I hear the rounds, do you call them that in German? Where someone starts and then someone else starts after the first phrases. Reminds me of Hebrew school. Enjoy your time away. SusunW (talk) 13:59, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Sounds great! - We call rounds Kanon in German. - Today: the performance of Anna Nekhames --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:58, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Today a friend's birthday, with related music and a few new vacation pics --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:21, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Nice that you remember him on his birth date rather than his death date. Love the Canary Islands! SusunW (talk) 22:39, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

I was so happy that I managed that DYK on his birthday. He spent the day in Africa. He held a service in gratitude for the birthday in February (there was an image on the commons, deleted because of the art on the walls ...), said we'd have to talk about the DYK and article, and that was the last time I met him. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:13, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

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Hi Susun, just a quick question: is ancestry working for you normally? I can't see any of their digitized images anymore (only thumbnails, the main window is just filled with a generic image not containing my data). Not sure whether this link works [1] but I am researching the first Black German citizen, an immigrant from Cameroon. Fascinating and somewhat scary story as the family survives the Nazi era. —Kusma (talk) 21:13, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Kusma Check your e-mail. I think I sent you the page you want. When I have had troubles that I could not figure out, often clearing the oclc cookies from my browser fixes it. (No, I did not know that until SamWalton told me to do that.) Let me know if that worked or didn't. SusunW (talk) 21:40, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

That's the page, thank you very much! Confirms date of birth, place of birth, parents, marriage and divorce. I'll try to experiment with cookies. —Kusma (talk) 22:15, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Kusma glad that worked. What I usually get is some weird error message when searching a particular source. Or in the case of say Newspapers.com, just a blank page when I try to access an article. If I clear the OCLC cookies, voila! I would never have figure that out, but it seems to work. Glad to help. Ask any time and I'll try. SusunW (talk) 22:27, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Good to see Inter-Allied Women's Conference with a photo on the main page.--Ipigott (talk) 07:29, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

I enjoyed working on that with you, Ipigott SusunW (talk) 13:12, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Noticed the same thing, - see my user page, great to see! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:18, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Hello SusunW and thanks for all your comments at the last FAC of education. I hope to renominate the article sometime in the future. Given that you expressed concerns about it not being truly comprehensive on a global scale, I was wondering if you have concrete suggestions on which specific topics or facts should added to the article before a renomination. If you have the time, I would appreciate your input. Phlsph7 (talk) 09:32, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello, I just wanted to check whether you have had the time consider which specific major topics in the reliable sources are missing in our article. Phlsph7 (talk) 08:36, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Sorry Phlsph7, I didn't see the first message. I tend to hyper-focus when I am working and miss things that aren't in my narrow concentration. As I said before, such a broad topic is very difficult. In truth, I have been working for 2-3 years on an article on women's nationality and haven't yet gotten it to the publishing stage. For an entire year, I worked on nationality in various places so that I would understand the background issues and then started writing the article. I didn't like the organizational structure, so began rewriting it and have yet to finish it. So I do get it. I also have critiquing other people's work, because it often is taken criticism instead of constructive analysis. But, I'll give you my thoughts.

The education article is very dense. I would try to unpack the sections, eliminate duplications, and strip it down to essential information. For example, I am not genuinely sure if the section on "Education studies" is needed. To me, it is repetitive, because it is about studying the topic. For example, in the education section you state that education is the transmittance and acquisition of knowledge and may also include the field that studies its methodology. In the roles in society section you cover social, psychological, cultural, governmental aspects. In the education studies section, you repeat that same information, but look at the various components of that methodology most of which have been covered previously. Perhaps sending it to the guild of copyeditors could help eliminate some of the repetition and give you ideas on restructuring.

As for the global aspects, I don't really know how to explain the issues I see. But, for example, in the technology section, to me it reads as if digital equipment and access is necessary and desirable for attaining education. At the very end of the second paragraph we have "Lack of educational technology affects developing countries", making it seem as if people who don't have digital systems or other technology are falling behind because they lack technology. In truth, technology isn't needed for education and for most of our history wasn't a factor at all. Even books were for the elite and most people received oral and demonstrative education. My lived experience tells me that there are many places where teaching is still done in the traditional way, mainly oral and using pupil-teacher systems. Particularly problematic is that if books were even available or could be purchased, they are not published in the lingua franca, but instead in the language of a former colonial authority. So for example, in Belize where everyone speaks Kriol - but their native language might be Spanish, Mayan, German, Chinese, or English - schools typically use publications in English. This is a study of education in Africa and has interesting insights on mother-tongue instruction and the difficulties. Similar studies have been done on Latin America and Indigenous instruction. It seems likely there are similar works on Asia where there are multiple languages because of large Indigenous populations. A brief read of these indicate that it isn't lack of technology, but lack of teacher training and organized curricula that impact learning more than technology.

So, I guess what I am saying is that the article is elite-centric in that it looks at education from the "ideal" systems and from a perspective of nations that have a harmonious language and cultural makeup. But is that the case globally? My instinct is that the reverse is true, most systems "make do" and shoot for the ideal. It's one of the reasons I think the history section isn't a footnote but provides context. Formal education began as a project for elites and morphed to include the masses. To understand the inherent problems in the systems we have to know first how they were created. I don't know if any of this is helpful, but those are my random thoughts. SusunW (talk) 16:30, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your analysis. I took another look at the section "Education studies". I didn't spot any severe redundancies but I managed to remove a few smaller ones. It might be possible to remove even more but I don't think that all redundancies are bad per se. For example, we could remove the sentence Additionally, the term may also refer to the academic field that studies the methods, processes, and social institutions involved in teaching and learning. from the section "Definition" because this topic is discussed in more detail in the section "Education studies". But this redundancy is minimal and it helps the reader in the section "Definition" by clarifying the different meanings. Education studies is one of the main topics so simply removing this section would severely hurt comprehensiveness. I listed the article at the guild of copy editors some time ago but it can take quite a while before someone responds.

Concerning global comprehensiveness: I read through your text a few times but I'm not sure I can make sense of your hard-to-explain point. I'll try to reconstruct the argument and maybe you can tell me if that is what you meant. Please let me know if I'm on the wrong track. You state that the article lacks comprehensiveness because it "is elite-centric" and assumes that countries globally have a "harmonious language and cultural makeup". You seem to arrive at these characterizations of the article from your interpretation of the subsection "Technology and others". According to you, this subsection seems to claim that digital technology is necessary for education, from which you conclude that it is elite-centric. You then mention that some countries use school books that do not use the common language of that country. From this observation, you seem to conclude that our article assumes that countries globally have a "harmonious language and cultural makeup".

Concerning elitism: I don't think that the subsection "Technology and others" claims that digital technology is necessary for education. This subsection is part of the section "Factors of educational success" and its main point is that educational technology in general (not just digital technology) is one factor of education success besides various other factors. This seems to be an uncontroversial claim. I don't think that it introduces an elitist POV. It's quite possible that your personal experience is different but factors of educational success describe wide general tendencies and do not claim the factor in question has a significant impact in every single case. You criticized one sentence about the lack of educational resources in developing countries and I reformulated this sentence.

Concerning the "harmonious language and cultural makeup" assumption: I don't think that the fact that some countries use school books that are not in the common language of that country is a major topic in the academic literature on education in general. I don't understand how you infer from our article that it adopts a perspective that denies this fact. Phlsph7 (talk) 12:05, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Phlsph7 This is exactly what I did not want to happen. I have read the article numerous times and my overall impression is that it is weighted to the Global North. My "opinion" is just that, an opinion. I offered it because you asked, not to criticize but to perhaps give you another perspective. I gave an example of what I see as a potential issue that was not limited as a critique of one sentence. Please just ignore my thoughts if you don't find them helpful. Opinion is neither wrong nor right, your presentation is neither wrong nor right either. SusunW (talk) 15:41, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

I appreciate your effort to share your personal opinion. My main concern is less about being criticized by you but about ensuring that the next nomination leads to a better result. The coordinator closing the FAC suggested to work with the quasi-opposers and renominate once you receive positive feedback from them and I tried to follow that advice. I'm sorry for taking up your time and I hope you can redirect your focus to a topic that is more to your liking. Phlsph7 (talk) 09:32, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Phlsph7 we don't know each other, which makes communication more difficult. I don't think in a linear fashion nor in absolutes and that often makes communication more difficult. I also don't do conflict well. You might not have interpreted the above conversation as confrontational, but I did. I am sure that was not your intention, but it is a hindrance for us communicating well. Were it me, I would examine each section to see if it explains one question: What is it?, Who uses it?, When does it occur?, Where does it occur?, Why is it important?, or How has this changed the world? If any section repeats one of those fundamental questions, I would move/remove it. (In this case, to me, "what is it" is about the broad topic of education, but when I get to education studies, the article is again defining an aspect of "what is it". It makes me ask is it on topic?, or should this be moved/deleted?) As for it being weighted to the Global North, I would look at the population distribution of the world and try to ensure that the article adequately reflected the answers to the fundamental Ws + H in the majority of the world's places. It's a global encyclopedia and defining it in terms of what the topic is in roughly 17% of the world possibly makes the article not relatable, IMO, to most of the world. But again, those are things I would do; not something you should do or must do. I wish you luck on the article and hope that you are able to gain insight from some other editors that you find more helpful in improving the article. 14:27, 10 February 2024 (UTC) SusunW (talk) 14:27, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

I apologize for formulating my inquiries in a way that seemed confrontational to you. Phlsph7 (talk) 08:26, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

Do you have any plans to submit this for GAN? At a glance, it looks pretty much good to go. -- asilvering (talk) 21:23, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

asilvering Good to see you here. Truth be told, I was hoping she'd respond to my request for information about where in Tanzania she was born and who her parents were. (I am working on a chain of African women and most of them are missing early life info and photos.) But, since George did find a photo for her, I guess I should just stop waiting for it to be perfect. She's living and stuff will likely come to light eventually. I'll do it. SusunW (talk) 14:22, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

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story · music · places

My calendar story today is about Michael Herrmann celebrating his birthday. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:21, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

The image, taken on a cemetery last year after the funeral of a distant but dear family member, commemorates today, with thanks for their achievements, four subjects mentioned on the Main page and Vami_IV, a friend here. Listen to music by Tchaikovsky (an article where one of the four is pictured), sung by today's woman (whose performance on stage I enjoyed two days ago). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:56, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

I saw the notice about Vami IV on Ian's page, but have been a bit under the weather and not on-line much. Thanks for the Tchaikovsky link. Lovely! SusunW (talk) 17:48, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Today's story is a pictured great woman, on your

Precious anniversary

Precious

Nine years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:23, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much for you consistent encouragement. Love that dress she is wearing! SusunW (talk) 14:46, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

She's in the Isolde costume, - it's like a turn-of-the-century costume designer imagined a medieval Irish princess to dress (who took care of the wounds of the man who killed her fiancé ...) - Today I am happy about a singer on the Main page (at least for the first hours), after TFA the same day last year, - one of his roles was that wounded man. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:45, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

When I made today's story I was sure Alfred Grosser would appear on RD today, which may happen or not but I go to bed. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:41, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks to Seiji Ozawa. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:15, 12 February 2024 (UTC)bbbbbb

... and today a woman and her views --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:15, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

I love, love, love social historians, which IMO is what street photographers are. They make history much more understandable to the masses because their work shows how everyday people are impacted by events going on in the world around them. I also love that her work survived unification. It would be interesting to compare the visuals of before and after. SusunW (talk) 22:32, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

yes - in the one ref in English, there's a video, - she speaks in German (subtitles!) but we get soo close --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:44, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Listen to music from Ukraine if you like, - I heard it in 2022, and the November concert (at a different church) raised a truckload of winter clothes. My story today is also from my life: I heard the singer in 3 of the 4 mentioned musical items. I sang in yesterday's. - Rinaldo (opera) premiered OTD, DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:02, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

Today's story celebrates a woman's birthday. She sat right in front of me when I took the picture at a lovely concert, celebrating her son's 60th. I thought she was 90 today, - no, 91 already. You can listen, starting at the piece he dedicated to her, Op. 1. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:38, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Interesting. I was trained on the violin using the Suzuki method, but after I broke my 5th or maybe 6th finger (not playing the violin), I decided perhaps my fingering days were over and stopped playing. Years later, I learned to type and writing was clearly a better niche for me. 14:24, 29 February 2024 (UTC) SusunW (talk) 14:24, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

I had no idea, thanks for sharing! - More music and flowers on Rossini's rare birthday --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:42, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

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Hi SusunW, I am trying to improve the page on Joey Wat, a female businessperson and CEO, in conformity with WP:COI (I work for her). On the article's talk page, I proposed an expanded early life section for consideration. User Ipigott just approved some other additions, but said he would prefer not to be the only editor active on the page. Would you be willing to review the proposed expansion as an impartial editor? The draft adds more details about her upbringing in China and her academic background. Coreyhcooper (talk) 02:28, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

• Coreyhcooper Thank you for working on improving articles about women. About me... First, I rarely write about living people. Second, my focus is usually fairly narrow, activists, politics, policy advisors/advocates, and academics. Third, I have only ever worked on one conflict of interest article and was part of a team doing edits because the person who the article was about contacted Women in Red directly and wanted changes made. She told us what information she wanted included and my involvement was basically to find reliable independent sources which others included in the article. I do not know the guidelines for working on COI articles, as it is not something I typically would do. I have read through the talk page of the article and Ian's advice was to contact other editors who had previously worked on that page. He and I work fairly closely together and he knows my limitations and proclivities well, so it seemed odd that he would have suggested contacting me. In these circumstances, I don't think I am the best person to help you, but I hope that you can find someone who is knowledgeable about COI guidelines and can assist you. Good luck! SusunW (talk) 17:01, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

You may wish to be aware of Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Cora Agnes Benneson/archive1, in case you are not already. Gog the Mild (talk) 21:21, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! Gog the Mild, I'll swing by there tomorrow. SusunW (talk) 21:33, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

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Thanks Ipigott. I very much appreciate both you and GRuban's help in getting her article written and ready for GA review. It definitely takes a village. SusunW (talk) 15:35, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

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Hi! No rush on this -the article is fine as is- but if perchance you have access to a source that I don't and if you happen to find a year of death for Regina Khayatt, I'd be appreciative. Thanks and happy spring! Rosiestep (talk) 13:59, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Good to see you here Rosiestep. Hope all is well. We're in the midst of full-on summer, it's been over 100F for 3 weeks. But, the good news is that I finally have water! Woo hoo! I think she died in 1942. I can only see a snippet of this source and can't find an open access one, but maybe you have access to it? From what I can see, admittedly not much, searching her name says "In 1920 Mrs. Regina Khayan (Wissa’s daughter) was invited to attend a meeting of the Executive committee of the World YWCA in Geneva…" then searching 1942, yields "Mrs. Khayatt" passed on the presidency of the YWCA to her daughter-in-law, p. 254 so it looks promising. Looking in the search of Hathitrust's version, she is clearly prominent in the book. Worldcat shows numerous copies in California libraries. If you can't find it in a library or an open access version (3 editions per World cat), maybe the RX can obtain at least that page for you? SusunW (talk) 15:08, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much! Don't know why I didn't find this previously with my searching, but, yes, I can see this source and that she died in 1942.

Oh my! You didn't have water? I live out in the tules, so it's not so uncommon here, but I didn't realize it could happen in your parts. Happy to hear that you do now. How long was it out? --Rosiestep (talk) 16:10, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Glad to help Rosiestep and even gladder that you could see the source. I searched "Regina Khayatt, died", and that worked. No water for most of a week. Apparently both pumps failed at the same time. But it took a lot of work to figure that out. Plumbing here is really, really complicated. We have no water towers, merely tinacas on the roof (giant tanks that make pressure through gravity). Pipes are wrapped around the exterior of the house, which leaves them subject to the high humidity and heat, so PVC ones become brittle and metal ones rust. We have soft limestone bedrock, which means that calcium scale must be cleaned out of the lines every 4-6 months. The plumber did all the normal stuff, blowing out the pipes, treating them with acid, and replacing some pipes and the main pump. That got me water to the back yard and most of the house. He finally realized up on the roof while checking the tinaca, that there was a second pump to the front of the house. After we tested it, it was obvious that it was not working either. Yesterday he replaced that and finally, I have water throughout the house. SusunW (talk) 16:20, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Wow! What a vivid description of a system I had no idea existed. Of course, every household water system has to be adapted to its environment and what's unique in one place is common elsewhere. It would be nice if WP had an article about this, with photos from various countries, e.g. [[Household waterpump systems]]. Or maybe this is just so common that no one but me finds it interesting and it wouldn't meet

WP:N. --Rosiestep (talk

) 16:37, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Rosiestep you make me smile, I find it fascinating too. In Belize the toilet waste pipe goes out the wall, not through the floor. So a toilet is almost always located on an exterior wall there. That was surprising to me. Pouring acid into the lines (both in Belize and here) seemed pretty sketchy, but it's widely done. Foreigners from the Global North really seem to fear electric shower heads, which they call suicide showers, but they too are widely used, and safe. I have one in my front bathroom. I actually think proving notability would be pretty easy as access to water is a thing everywhere. SusunW (talk) 16:52, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

No article about tinacos on EN-WP, nor on ES-WP. Oh well. Not yet. These images were helpful for me, so maybe someone who shares my type of curiosity would find them useful, too. --Rosiestep (talk) 17:16, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Rosiestep The one at my house looks like the lower one. This photo shows that here, an older concrete model which is horizontal is also common. Another name for them is es:Cisterna, but here the cistern is below ground or at ground level and the tinaco is on the roof. Basically the water comes from the city into the cistern and then is pumped up to the tinaco on the roof. I noted on that es.WP page, they have a water tower in Jalisco labeled as a tinaco. I know of no water towers in Yucatan, but maybe there are some, somewhere? Which makes me wonder about Colonia Aleman. It's the only neighborhood here that has an actual sewer system like in the US. It was a planned worker's neighborhood built in the 1950s. All of the other neighborhoods have individual septic tanks. It is generally said that the soft limestone bedrock makes US style systems impractical. (And yes, we never flush toilet paper). SusunW (talk) 17:46, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

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Your reviews are wonderful. The very model of what the perfect FAC review should look like. Sadly I can't use them as such for other reviewers, as they would despair and give up.

Another, by a first-timer, which may or may not interest you - Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie. Goodness, is it beer o'clock already! Gog the Mild (talk) 19:34, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Gog the Mild Thank you! My reviews are truly hard won and I am never sure if they are even slightly helpful. Even when doing one for an editor who knows me and gets how my mind works, I struggle. But I do genuinely try to push myself to do them. I shall look at her. Not today and maybe not even tomorrow, but this week. I promise. SusunW (talk) 19:49, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Note that I wasn't asking that you review this, merely pointing it out as one which may be of interest to you. Feel free to skip it. And it has just been nominated, so if you do look it over there is no rush. That said, I cannot think of a better introduction to FAC than a review from you. Gog the Mild (talk) 20:00, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

I totally get that Gog the Mild. I honestly appreciate that you take the time to tell me about ones that might interest me. I put a placemarker there. She's important and I want to look at it. Right now, editing is sporadic, as I said. It is HOT (even for me). We've had no water going on 6 days. External pipes blown with a compressor, some replaced, and pump replaced. Plumber is now possibly considering opening the wall with a sledge hammer (literally). *sigh* SusunW (talk) 20:05, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear! Gog the Mild (talk) 20:08, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

We now have water in the back yard!, so obviously it is something in the lines/pipes. We don't have water towers here, only individual tinacas (tanks on the roof which create pressure by gravity). Replacing the pump improved the water flowing from the city to the tinaca, but hasn't fixed the problem, so... I guess I will be hosing off in the back yard tonight. Still hauling buckets to flush. Life is always an adventure! SusunW (talk) 20:17, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Mmm. Sounds too much like that Chinese curse. Gog the Mild (talk) 20:20, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

LOL. SusunW (talk) 20:23, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Gog the Mild I've started but honestly think it is no where near ready. Way too many unsourced things in even the first section. I don't have any idea how a withdrawal works, but I suggested it be withdrawn and submitted to peer review so that the editor can get help to bring it up to the level it needs to be. Is that a bad suggestion? I'm quite happy to carry on at the FAN page, but I fear my comments will be excessively long, and I do mean excessive. SusunW (talk) 22:56, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

I think it is a sensible suggestion and following it would be best for all concerned, especially the nominator. If the FAC effectively turns into a PR, it is likely to get archived anyway. The nominator seems to have by passed PR, GoCER and finding a mentor, all of which are setting a nomination up to fail. Gog the Mild (talk) 23:09, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

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