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The result was delete. Randykitty (talk) 18:13, 21 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Jeremy D. Williams

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Poorly sourced

primary sources and local reporting in the local community pennysaver, and even most of the latter just quotes him giving soundbite in articles that aren't about him. This is not the type or depth of coverage it takes to make a smalltown mayor more notable than the norm. Bearcat (talk) 23:20, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply

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Delete as per nom.TH1980 (talk) 03:42, 15 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Bearcat and per my failure to locate additional sources of notability or SIGCOV.E.M.Gregory (talk) 22:47, 15 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy keep.

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Nerio

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Think this could be better merged into another article. Not sure which though.

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Keep at least until you can suggest a merge target. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:52, 15 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Speedy Keep - we aren't designed to be used as a 1st tier merger, though AfD can decide to use it in place of a delete - in effect, it shouldn't be AfD unless the primary thought is delete/redirect. Nosebagbear (talk) 19:19, 15 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Keep - not a valid rationale for deletion. Seems notable and possible to expand per sources - [1], [2], [3], [4] etc. It may be possible to think of a merge to Minerva/Athena - this being a deity imported via the Sabines (based on their name for Athena) - however it seems she took a life of her own in the Roman pantheon and co-existed to an extent with Minerva - so I'm not sure I would go there. While not a major diety, being the consort of Mars (mythology) probably passes WP:NDEITY (someone should write this up - we've got NPOL and NACTOR - so...). Icewhiz (talk) 23:16, 15 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep sufficient sourcing; [5] gives several alternate spellings and I'm not sure which is most common, but
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Keep it's not nice to delete a Roman war goddess.E.M.Gregory (talk) 16:16, 18 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I hadn't heard of this goddess, but the arguments are persuasive that she's distinguishable from other deities and supported by reliable sources. Also, have to agree with E.M. Gregory in particular! P Aculeius (talk) 14:15, 20 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Randykitty (talk) 18:15, 21 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sandy Brown (politician)

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primary source website about itself, not to media coverage. Bearcat (talk) 22:57, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply

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Redirect to
WP:NPOL and while there is some entertaining coverage about the nicking of his chain, he himself doesn't look politically special. Nosebagbear (talk) 19:21, 15 December 2018 (UTC)[reply
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Delete Fails
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Delete mayors of places this size are not default notable and nothing else suggests notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:14, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Seems almost
like it is written as campaign literature. Bkissin (talk) 18:03, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete and redirect to 2018 Ohio's 12th congressional district special election. Randykitty (talk) 18:19, 21 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Danny O'Connor (Ohio politician)

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So, he lost two U.S. House races in 2018. The last AFD, before the second election, was closed as no consensus. Being county recorder is not enough to meet

WP:NPOL. Every reference used in this article is in relation to his U.S. House candidacy. We don't typically keep articles on U.S. House candidates who lose elections, and material from this page can easily be integrated into 2018 United States House of Representatives elections in Ohio. Marquardtika (talk) 20:59, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply

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Delete and incorporate pertinent information into 2018 U.S. House elections page as per nom.TH1980 (talk) 03:45, 15 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete being a two-time failing candidate in one year is not a sign of notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:48, 15 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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~~Delete~~ and incorporate pertinent information into 2018 U.S. House elections. I see not SIGCOV and no claim to notability aside form the primary and general campaigns in 2018, and coverage of that is ROUTINE.E.M.Gregory (talk) 22:45, 15 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect (to 2018 Ohio's 12th congressional district special election) - as per the above arguments re NPOL. There seems no reason for a delete. The election seems a far more logical target than where he was county recorder which doesn't cover him. Nosebagbear (talk) 22:51, 15 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect (to 2018 Ohio's 12th congressional district special election).E.M.Gregory (talk) 12:56, 16 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, without prejudice against recreation of a redirect if desired. People do not get Wikipedia articles just for being candidates in elections they didn't win — and the fact that some local campaign coverage happens to exist is not an instant
WP:NPOL, because every candidate in every election can always show some local campaign coverage. But county recorder is not a level of political office that guarantees a Wikipedia article either, so he can't claim preexisting notability for other reasons besides the candidacy. Bearcat (talk) 16:50, 16 December 2018 (UTC)[reply
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Redirect to
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Delete, or redirect to the election article if desired, though the fact it's disambiguated may prove a bit pointless. Fails
WP:GNG, and a good example that we shouldn't rush to keep BLP articles just because there's an ongoing election. SportingFlyer talk 18:46, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete. Randykitty (talk) 18:20, 21 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Historians Against the War

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No external references, just their own publications. Promotional. Rathfelder (talk) 19:44, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Current article is a mess - and sourcing does not meet anything close to required for
WP:ORGCRIT does not seem to be available. Icewhiz (talk) 23:25, 15 December 2018 (UTC)[reply
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Delete noting that page is so disheveled that it is not clear which war this organization opposed. Page has been tagged for improved on multiple counts since 2012. All sources on page are primary, and very few hits turned up in searches I ran, certainly not enough to support notability.E.M.Gregory (talk) 20:16, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - ephemeral academic political work that pretty much fizzled out after the group's political goals were achieved in late 2008. The wars they argued against lived on, but by then it made no political sense for the academics to carry on; the website remained, but as a dying group, not much happened afterwards, with the rump organization itself calling the period "mostly passive". A couple of meetings took place in the years afterwards, with the organizers calling them "feel good" but "hardly anyone did" join anymore. Whatever remains has even changed its name now. Most refs on the article are to the organization's own website. Does not meet
WP:GNG. Time to consign to the dustbin of history. XavierItzm (talk) 17:06, 21 December 2018 (UTC)[reply
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Delete. Trivial and no evidence of lasting notability shown. Kierzek (talk) 17:43, 21 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 21:42, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Robert S. Katz

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I came across this while RC patrolling. The article lacks any claim of notability either the recent revisions or farther back in history. As is so often the case, there are good references for a number of assertions that do not establish notability. The ongoing content dispute seems to center on concerns of self-promotion. Beyond listing the article here, I'm not going to intervene in that.

There is also a lengthy discussion of sourcing problems on the talk page, and in the comments in the history. Uninvited Company 19:25, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Info

The only possible valid information on the page is the Frostburg University info. Though he was the person to supply it. The citation for it is hosted on Maryland Shared Open Access Repository Home and not the schools official site. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BadIdeaToLie (talk • contribs) 20:08, 14 December 2018 (UTC) I have already contacted the writer of the Forbes article to see what information he can provide about Robert and what if any checking he did of his credentials he did. I have links to disprove claims made about his past as well as his credentials that he claims to have. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BadIdeaToLie (talk • contribs) 20:12, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

BadIdeaToLie, please note (although you may already know this) that the article was written by a Forbes Contributor, which is not a Forbes staff member, and may have no journalistic training. S Philbrick (Talk) 21:18, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sphilbrick Yeah the writer is actually the CEO of a company that host a conference that he was supposed to speak at in 2016. ^[1] Yet the website for that conference is still up ^[2] and his name is not referenced anywhere.

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Delete There is nothing in the article that is even vaguely like a claim to notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:12, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails to meet notability guidelines. Seems like a candidate for speedy deletion under
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The result was delete. Randykitty (talk) 18:24, 21 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Christopher Cundy

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Not enough sources, questionable notability Vmavanti (talk) 18:50, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Does not meet
WP:MUSICBIO. The only possible criterion would be #6 "....is a musician who has been a reasonably prominent member of two or more independently notable ensembles", but this article itself states that he has "collaborated with" a number of notable bands, and "most notably as an additional saxophonist", so he clearly has not been an actual member, let alone reasonably prominent. The few reviews I can find which name him do just that - name him as one of the members of the band/ensemble. RebeccaGreen (talk) 23:54, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply
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Delete A quick Google search resulted in no relevant links to support notability. There are several subjects by this name. The ones that appear to be for the subject do not supply significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:37, 15 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Tone 16:30, 21 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Legendary Heroes of Africa

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This article tells us virtually nothing about the stamps, other than their basics. I can't find any

WP:RS and merely confirm the stamps were issues with some minor details. The last citation provides some background but there is nothing unusual about these stamps, no errors, no controversy, nothing more than their joint issuance by 3 countries. That is also not usual and the basics could easily be added to the joint issue stamps article where there are many other stamps that have not articles. Considering there are about 10,000 stamps issued worldwide each year, there does not appear to anything special about these relative to any other set of modern stamps. If this sort of non-notable stamp article is retained then, virtually every other stamp issued could be justified. ww2censor (talk) 17:23, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply

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This collection of stamps is noteworthy culturally and politically as explicitly crediting the South African Jewish minority as such for its extraordinary contribution to ending apartheid. These Jewish activists had roots in Lithuania, as noted in the Vilnews article. Given the widespread anti-semitism around the world, it is especially significant that these stamps by Gambia, Liberia and Sierra Leone make a political point of appreciating decades of Jewish activism. Very few postage stamps have such global cultural and political significance, linking these three countries with South Africa, Israel and Lithuania. Deletion of this article might offend readers in all countries whose culture is underrepresented at Wikipedia. --AndriusKulikauskas (talk) 18:23, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep I have added 4 references. This issue of stamps was reported around the world, in the UK, the US, Jerusalem, South Africa, and Lithuania. That clearly meets
WP:GNG. Certainly, if other stamp issues are reported as widely, then they would also merit a Wikipedia article. RebeccaGreen (talk) 13:43, 19 December 2018 (UTC)[reply
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Keep per the great references unearthed by RebeccaGreen. Kudos, Rebecca! Ifnord (talk) 04:07, 21 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 15:32, 21 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Jadon Sand

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Does not meet

WP:GNG. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 15:32, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply

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Delete one role that is borderline significant at best is not enough to show notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:06, 15 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Obviously fails the
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Delete Fails
WP:NACTOR FWIW. Rzvas (talk) 18:54, 18 December 2018 (UTC)[reply
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The result was soft delete.

WP:REFUND applies. Lourdes 15:02, 21 December 2018 (UTC)[reply

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Digital Times

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No claim of notability, thereby failing

WP:BEFORE failed to bring up anything of note. Kirbanzo (talk) 19:04, 7 December 2018 (UTC)[reply

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Delete per nom.
WP:NCORP. If someone can read Russian they might be able to find a better source. DeniedClub ^{❯❯❯ talk?} 02:16, 21 December 2018 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete. Lourdes 15:00, 21 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Musk electric jet

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Article is about a vague concept that Musk has discussed nothing more, there is nothing significant distinguishing this from any other hypothetical electric jet concept other than "Elon Musk is involved". Consider recreating such an article when one of Musk's companies has actually produced at least a prototype of such a jet. Concepts like this are barely (if even) notable. Sarr Cat 14:31, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete -
WP:CRYSTAL apply. Kirbanzo (talk) 16:21, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply
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Merge into
WP:PRESERVE. It would be sensible to collate all the various ideas and proposals there so that readers can compare and contrast them. Andrew D. (talk
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Even so, there is no concrete information about the proposal in the article. There is also the issue that it isn't notable as it's only claim of notability is relation to a famous person (in this case, Elon Musk). Kirbanzo (talk) 16:51, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Elon Musk. He's the reason why this is worth talking about anyway, so let's merge it there - a couple of sentences saying this is something he's talked about should suffice. FOARP (talk) 18:39, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and salt – The best hint we have is Musk saying "I’m quite tempted to do something about it." Not every
WP:FART is notable. No factual contents to preserve in a merge. Salt title to prevent fans from re-creating a stub based on speculation du jour. — JFG ^talk 19:07, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply
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Delete and salt if this doesn’t go away. It’s vaporware, an extraordinary claim, and when your best sources have words like “NO PLANS FOR...” and “CRAZY IDEAS FOR THE FUTURE” in the headlines, that’s a giant blinking neon red flag saying no. Just no. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 16:34, 15 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Per nom. - ZLEA _Talk\^Contribs 22:45, 20 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Lourdes 14:59, 21 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Missionary Diocese of the East

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I can find no sources that mention this organisation it fails

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Delete Not seeing the
WP:BRANCH (as a sub-organization of the Episcopal church). PohranicniStraze (talk) 16:33, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply
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Delete per nom and PohranicniStraze - fails
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The result was delete; closing in favour of the nominator's proposal given the !voters pointing to lack of sources, and taking into consideration the additional comment by David. Lourdes 14:54, 21 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Traditional Anglican Church of America

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fails

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Comment - that this article had been in AfD in 2016. See history there. Still (!) no citations. David notMD (talk) 15:02, 16 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I can't find sources either, under this name or their previous one. It's possible that there may be pre-internet sources available, but unless those turn up, the subject fails
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The result was delete. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 13:41, 21 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Gram Panchayat Building, Sattari

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WP:GNG; it's just a municipal office building, and from what I can tell, it's of no architectural note. Possibly a creative revival of Binodpur Gram Panchayat (Office), which was speedied a week ago. Cesdeva ^(talk) 13:29, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply

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Merge and redirect with Binodpur Gram Panchayat, the municipality article for this building. The building does not appear to be independently notable. --DBig Xrayᗙ 15:08, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete-Merging and creating redirects from Panchayet Building seems a tad too ridiculous to me.∯WBG^converse 19:35, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - I agree that a merge and redirect is unnecessary; it should just go Spiderone 10:38, 16 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete No merge and redirect needed. Non-notable brick and mortar structure which serves as the administrative headquarters of a district. — $f r +$ 08:17, 19 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Just an
ordinary building with no special claim to notability. PohranicniStraze (talk) 07:02, 21 December 2018 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 13:37, 21 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Bharat Tiwari

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The article is largely promotional. It was PRODed and deleted (possibly twice: see Tiwaribharat, Aarushi2003) in 2012. The photograph in the article's infobox was uploaded in 2012 by Tiwaribharat. The current article was first created by Aaru2003 and declined then resubmitted by PhotoIndia. Since then it has been edited and promoted by anonymous editors.

The sources cited in the article don't particularly establish notability. A Financial Express article in the external links section does dedicate a couple of inches to him. But IMO, this is insufficient. —Cpt.a.haddock (talk) (please ping when replying) 12:56, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Does not have significant coverage as per the criteria
WP:NARTIST. Teh Asian Age article and the Financial express article above mention him in passing and attribute his comment about the topic of the article. We require an article in reliable media talking about the subject in great detail. --DBig Xrayᗙ 15:12, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply
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Delete and salt I thought this was borderline, but after deleting many of the shady sources (a contact page, a book for sale page, a photos for sale page) used as sources, it's clear that the brief mentions in the sourcing that is left, and the promotional and exaggerated nature of the page adds up to a GNG fail. Salt may be required given past deletions.
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Delete per all of the above Spiderone 10:33, 16 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete don't particularly establish notability. SalmanZ (talk) 22:05, 16 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Person is not notable.
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The result was delete. Also per

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Wikipedia coverage of firearms

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Whilst it may be sourced this looks like editorializing. As well as a veiled attack page on WikiProject Firearms. Blatant soapboxing Slatersteven (talk) 12:24, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep One in the eye for the US gun lobby and our clearly NRA influenced arms in Merkia coverage. -Roxy, the dog. wooF 12:32, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The subject meets
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Changing my vote to delete after reconsideration of the sources. Although sufficient in-depth coverage does exist to write a non-stub article, the coverage focuses narrowly on a particular controversy such that it is not possible to write a NPOV article with the existing sources. I categorically reject the allegations that this was an attack article. It was a good-faith effort to cover a controversy that excited significant media attention, rather than defame any particular editors or groups of editors. In fact, I have never been involved in firearms editing before and have never interacted with most of the editors who were quoted in news reports. I blanked the page so it will be speedily deleted soon.
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Delete The subject is entirely circular and will just be a running commentary. Wikipedia mirroring itself via filtration through a select few press organizations. Cesdeva ^(talk) 13:54, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

There are plenty of Wikipedia articles on itself; see

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My reasoning is more than sufficient and within the scope of the AfD process. The pages within the category you supplied, bear limited resemblance to the article in question. Even if they did, it wouldn't void my reasoning. The circular nature of the sources and writing (WP, RS, WP) means that there would be strong inherent bias, easily inserted from the Wikipedia end and more than enough to question the validity of such an article. Cesdeva ^(talk) 19:25, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Per nominator. Additionally, the discussion doesn't meet WP:GNG. The articles aren't independent. Three of the sources just refer back to the original Verge article as their only source. Any editor willing to do the leg work will see that article is full of factual errors because the author didn't bother to follow the related talk page discussions. But I think the concerns regarding soapbox and editorializing (as well as attacking active editors) are all legitimate. Springee (talk) 14:46, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete and salt What sort of fresh recursive nonsense is this? Seems more like somebody's attempt at an essay than an appropriate article for Wikipedia. Simonm223 (talk) 14:47, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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By being deleted. Simonm223 (talk) 16:02, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

An article about wikipedia in the news seems like recursive

WP:NOTNEWS to me. Simonm223 (talk) 16:03, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply

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Delete and salt - A blatant
WP:NPOV violation, in addition to problems raised by other editors in this discussion. Kirbanzo (talk) 16:57, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply
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Please explain how this article violates NPOV. It's all very well quoting policy, but you need to explain how this violates that policy. -Roxy, the dog. wooF 17:50, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Merge into Ideological bias on Wikipedia. The issue of technical emphasis versus environmental consequences is much larger than firearms and may be inappropriately dispersed and duplicated if we have separate articles on each aspect. The existing text is narrowly focused on individual firearms ownership while ignoring the consequences of firearms use by military, police, and corporate security personnel. Similar analogies apply for use of motor vehicles including aircraft, for pest control and pharmaceutical chemicals, and potentially for monetary practices and resource ownership, extraction, and use. Thewellman (talk) 17:41, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I think your response ought to be based on Wiki Policy. Your obfuscation above is meaningless. -Roxy, the dog. wooF 17:53, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

That's an interesting idea, the sources may be useful for something in the "Claims of bias" section. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:17, 16 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete overly self-referential article.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:43, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete and salt per above comments.--RAF910 (talk) 23:30, 15 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete for my reasons states at the talk page....oh wait, the talk page was deleted.Niteshift36 (talk) 19:28, 16 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and possibly speedy-delete
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Admin question: Since the author has voted to delete, isn't this essentially a G7? Niteshift36 (talk) 17:56, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment it's worth noting that the likelihood of RAF910 and I ever agreeing about anything is so minute that when we do it should give cause for pause. In this case, even though we were on opposite sides of the conflict referenced in this article I think we can agree in the strongest terms that it's not a matter of encyclopedic record. And I'd also concur with Niteshift36 that this looks like a G7 at this point. Simonm223 (talk) 18:02, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete (or "delet this", if this involves deletion and guns on the Internet): Content would be good as part of a larger thing on systematic biases on Wikipedia, but on its own feels too forgettable in the long term. -BRAINULATOR9 (TALK) 15:47, 19 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Closed and Withdrawn New information come to light and the nominator ahas withdrawn this. Additionally with the page move its a strong keep.Lihaas (talk) 15:01, 19 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Devyani Khobragade incident

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WP:NOTTEMPORARY (third aragraph} "cover the person only in the context of a single event, and if that person otherwise remains, or is likely to remain, a low-profile individual, we should generally avoid having a biographical article on that individual." As of now it is 1 event and per NOTNEWS. Lihaas (talk) 17:05, 17 December 2013 (UTC)[reply

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A much briefer subsection of indua-US relation perhaps? (i posed this on that talk page)Lihaas (talk) 17:16, 17 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This incident might be worth mentioning on

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Keep, now that this article is located at Devyani Khobragade incident. This incident is widely covered in diverse, international sources and has already had a tangible impact on India–US relations. Gobōnobō ⁺ ^c 19:22, 17 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

~~Move~~Keep as per
User:Jinkinson..clearly a notable event...but probably not a notable person ƬheStrike Σagle ^sorties 17:17, 17 December 2013 (UTC)[reply
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Keep Move But a better title other than Wikipedia:NOTTEMPORARY. It requires context to understand and it cannot be provided in India–United States relations article (as suggested above by Lihaas) without giving undue weight to this incident. --Jayarathina (talk) 17:47, 17 December 2013 (UTC)[reply
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Delete: Violates both
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Moved page to Devyani Khobragade incident as recommended by majority. This incident has swollen up and is impacting India-US relations and will be referred to for long time to come hence cannot be treated as "one of" cases. Cheers AKS 18:42, 17 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep now that it's been moved. The incident is becoming quite big. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 19:10, 17 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep now that it's been moved. Agreed, this incident seems significant not just in terms of India-US relations (that will probably pass) but in the changing jurisprudence of diplomatic rights and immunities. Fiachra10003 (talk) 20:04, 17 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep(as moved) major diplomatic incident. The woman may not be notable, but the incident is notable because of who she is. See Raymond Allen Davis incident a US diplomat who was arrested in Pakistan for killing two people, and the US demanded his release under the Vienna Convention.Martin451 21:23, 17 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep under the current title, Devyani Khobragade incident. This is plainly a notable event given the significant consequences it's had in India, with reactions from senior Indian politicians. The person may or may not be notable but the incident and surrounding controversy is. Robofish (talk) 01:12, 18 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy Keep under current title incident meets
WP:EVENT criteria, as event caused a major change in India government's stand in US related policy. Jethwarp (talk) 02:32, 18 December 2013 (UTC)[reply
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Keep under the new title "Devyani Khobragade incident". It has already become a quite notable event. Salih (talk) 04:11, 18 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy Keep. It is a big event with wide coverage. --Pmsyyz (talk) 08:18, 18 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. (after page move) Notable incident. Anir1uph | talk | contrib 09:04, 18 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, Criticized? Mate we even got articles about Osama, and if we fall into criticism trap then we will have to delete the george bush or obama's article too, but no, this figure is heavily popular right now, and possibly going to play some role in future. Bladesmulti (talk) 10:04, 18 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep. Its a major issue now. Gurumoorthy Poochandhai 10:06, 18 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. It should not be deleted. --
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Keep. This event has developed into a major diplomatic spat. -
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Keep : Article is notable per coverage. Happydit (talk) 12:26, 18 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: People are calling it a anti-dalit mentality. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 14:49, 18 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Delete I've thought about this a while and have come to the conclusion that this article is a POV nightmare. Nearly all the sources are editorials aiming to whitewash incontrovertible evidence of fraud, human-trafficking, abuse, and slave labor. 143.215.120.5 (talk) 14:52, 18 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Number two story on Google News today and it is also making headlines (TV) in non-English news, so it certainly is relevant. In addition, the incident is not over as there are further developments (e.g., Indian removing the barricades from US embassy in Delhi).S-1-5-7 (talk) 15:05, 18 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: The article has many dimensions and is a significant incident to warrant an article here. --Bhadani (talk) 15:26, 18 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Notable incident. Encyclopedic information available. Needs further development in the area of her offence/background. -Rayabhari (talk) 15:42, 18 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

STRONG KEEP: A very important discussion among two large democracies of the world about diplomatic immunity vs. local laws. It is very well documented and scholarly written referenced article and provides an important chronological imformation for readers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.55.117.16 (talk) 15:43, 18 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Subject meets
WP:GNG. It chronicles a worldwide incident with many external sources. At hindustantimes.com the incident sits as 4 of the top 6 stories today. Subject is less than one week old, lack of notoriety cannot possibly be assessed per [[6]]. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.94.64.1 (talk) 11:18, 18 December 2013 (UTC)[reply
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Keep. Notable incident (NOTTEMPORARY) affecting foreign relations between major countries and interpretation of diplomatic immunity. Already widely publicised and controversial incident. WP:GNG and WP:DIPLOMAT

COMMENT OK I'm not sure what to do here. Another editor has now created a separate article for the woman herself, and that means that this AfD's title is inaccurate. I'm changing the title, to match the article that the AfD notice is on, because I think it's likely that if the new article survives someone will AfD that too and it will need a separate section. Please let me know if there's another way to solve the problem —Soap— 16:44, 18 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Why are there two articles on this woman? Devyani Khobragade incident and Devyani Khobragade. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.215.120.5 (talk) 17:04, 18 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment.Devyani Khobragade is moved to and redirected to Devyani Khobragade incident. Please refer up. Cheers AKS

Correction. I stand corrected, I was wrong. Someone went and created the page back. On 17th Dec, I wrote this page and after AfD and subsequent discussions, I moved it to the 'incident' page as I agree with the comments. Can someone please move the diplomat's page to the 'incident' page please? Cheers AKS

Keep The subject has received significant coverage in reliable sources beyond a single event and satisfies GNG. -- Shivam Setu (U-T-C) 18:17, 18 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Major diplomatic incedent.--Siddhartha Ghai (talk) 19:42, 18 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Notble incident. Ali Fazal (talk) 19:57, 18 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Notable incident. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:47, 19 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete If it remains as major incident after one month, we can reconsider to include it as a section under
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Keep: Notable because of its coverage internationally. 117.195.83.65 (talk) 13:44, 19 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 12:02, 21 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Learning Link (Ghana)

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The Charity Commission website shows that this organisation most recently reported an annual income of £1000 and has not reported more than £6000 in previous years. It's not notable. Mccapra (talk) 16:34, 7 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Small charity that hasn't generated significant
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The result was soft delete.
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Shalala Oliver Sepiso

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Subject fails
WP:GNG, as a search for information actually about Sepiso turns up no quality references. Almost all of the sources currently cited by the article are either "about" sections on his employer's website, or are articles written by him, not about him. The end result of these citations also leaves the article looking very similar to a resume, and my BEFORE check leads me to believe this may not be solvable. SamHolt6 (talk) 21:04, 29 November 2018 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete. Sandstein 12:02, 21 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Suman Chakravorty

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Does not seem to meet
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Delete a non-notable journalist.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:19, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete not enough coverage to pass
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Delete per all of the above Spiderone 21:40, 18 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Not any reliable sources and journalist is also not notable.
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The result was redirect to Mei (Overwatch). Sandstein 12:01, 21 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Zhang Yu (voice actress)

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Non notable (voice) actor.
WP:NACTOR. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 10:43, 7 December 2018 (UTC)[reply
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Delete – Agree: unsourced BLP article, so no evidence of notability demonstrated. And based on what's presented there, the subject almost certainly does not meet
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Keep - Plenty of secondary sources under the name of "Elise Zhang". STSC (talk) 23:25, 7 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Care to elaborate? Where are these "plenty of secondary sources"?... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 03:49, 8 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I can tell, @
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I found many sources from Google searches on "Elise Zhang" and "张昱". The article would pass the
WP:GNG; "people who meet the basic criteria may be considered notable without meeting the additional criteria". It just needs more translated content from the Chinese article[7] which lists other works she has involved in. - STSC (talk) 10:53, 8 December 2018 (UTC)[reply
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I found many sources... - Post them then. Baseless claims aren't helpful. The Chinese article isn't even properly sourced. It's just as bad. --The1337gamer (talk) 11:28, 8 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I was actually in the process of getting some of the sources posted here for discussion. Both English/Chinese articles do need some improvements on the citations. STSC (talk) 11:58, 8 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

4 Things You Didn’t Know about the Voice of Overwatch’s Mei!

A Warm Meeting And Interview With Elise Zhang Of Mei From Overwatch!

Behind The Voice Actors, GameStart Asia, HBG, SacAnime, Play163, etc... - STSC (talk) 12:56, 8 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not familiar with sources for film articles, but from a
WP:VG standpoint, these are not reliable. And it's pretty focused on Overwatch. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 19:51, 8 December 2018 (UTC)[reply
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Have those websites possibly made up the stories? STSC (talk) 22:11, 8 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Mei (Overwatch), where the subject is discussed JOE BRO 64 01:27, 11 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Mei (Overwatch). The sources provided are all about the character, not the voice actress. Sure, she's mentioned, but she's not the primary topic of the coverage, and an actor's notability isn't inherited from their character. Some roles are so massive that they're likely to get coverage of both the character and the individual e.g. Ned Luke and Steven Ogg of Grand Theft Auto V but unfortunately that's just the way media coverage works. SITH (talk) 13:40, 15 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy deleted as G11, A7.
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No/Hugs

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@Beinganiceperson and Hikoulini: Queried speedy delete for "not notable" and "advertizing". Anthony Appleyard (talk) 12:48, 10 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: @Anthony Appleyard: were you trying to remove the other two deletion templates with your deletion nomination? Richard3120 (talk) 18:46, 10 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed them.
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@Beinganiceperson and Hikoulini: User:Beinganiceperson speedy-delete-tagged it. I deleted it. User:Hikoulini complained in my user talk page. I undeleted it and AfD'ed it. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 22:19, 10 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hello all,

User:Beinganiceperson Anthony Appleyard I have reformatted and added a lot of national as well as international press to back up every fact on the wikipedia page for No/Hugs as well as re-formatted it based on other similar band pages.If you could take a look and kindly give me some more feedback I'd really appreciate it. 2601:1C2:100:4B22:E016:6104:22A7:40A0 (talk) 03:05, 15 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Hikoulini Anthony Appleyard I have seen no improvement to third-party sources or national press on the article. Perhaps, you are misled on what reliable "National" and "international" sources mean. I still see sourcing back to bands website and Facebook pages, very local international press, and at best some small regional press but not in depth enough about said subject, or proving notability at all, and unfortunately they aren't reliable sources that display the bands notability or keep worth on Wikipedia. 2601:1C2:100:4B22:E016:6104:22A7:40A0 (talk) 03:05, 15 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. Sandstein 12:01, 21 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Brian Klugman

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The only two refs given here do not look like they add up to notability. Google search results in IMDb, Wikipedia and mirror sites, along with listings in directories and places like Spokeo. In-depth discussion in reliable independent secondary sources seems to be lacking. No awards, only appearances as one-off characters in a few televisions shows.
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Strong Keep - While his roles as an actor may be small and not meet the muster of
WP:DIRECTOR's "The person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work [...] (for example, a film, [...])" for The Words (film), which was a major motion picture given its cast, budget, and distribution and received mainstream, albeit poor, reviews, makes the case that he is certainly notable enough as a filmmaker. JesseRafe (talk) 14:45, 30 November 2018 (UTC)[reply
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That is an incomplete quote from paragraph 3 of
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That's a misunderstanding of how it was written, as the bullets apply to a wide range of creative outputs and one has to parse the disjunctions accordingly, it is not written to require each element be satisfied. If you read the bold: "In addition, such work must have been the primary subject of an independent and notable work (for example, a book, film, or television series, but usually not a single episode of a television series) or of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews." it is clear that is satisfies as stated above. They don't have to be good reviews, but it was widely reviewed by mainstream critics nonetheless. JesseRafe (talk) 15:10, 30 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 12:01, 21 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The monument

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This is disambiguation page is incorrectly titled (it disambiguates only places called "The Monument" with a capital M).
The Monument exists as a redirect to Monument to the Great Fire of London, which I think is the primary topic so this should be redirected to that article and hatnotes added. If there isn't a primary topic then this dab page should be moved to the capitalised title or redirected to Monument (disambiguation) where I have added the Californian house as an entry. Thryduulf (talk) 10:51, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply
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Delete. Completely unnecessary. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:55, 20 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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@Necrothesp: if this isn't a dab page it should be a redirect to either a disambiguation page or to the primary topic (almost certainly Monument to the Great Fire of London). Thryduulf (talk) 11:05, 21 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Possibly, although I can't imagine anyone linking "The monument" in lower case. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:49, 21 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Userfy.
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Pros and cons to the legalization of marijuana

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While interesting, this is nothing more than a personal essay on the subject. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 10:47, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Move to userspace.
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Delete per
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Move to userspace. Worthy information that can be added into similar articles. –talk 00:48, 15 December 2018 (UTC)[reply
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Move to userspace. It was written for an educational project, so I'd rather not discourage a new editor by total deletion, but userify it with some feedback to the editor. Though not ideal, Arguments for and against drug prohibition can probably serve as a partial example for improvement. Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney (talk) 00:50, 15 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to Stephen Hillenburg. Sandstein 12:00, 21 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The company that made
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Delete per nom, although it's SpongeBob, not SpongBob. Fixed it for you.
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Delete The article is all about SpongeBob SquarePants. A mention of the production company could be added to the main article but there's nothing in here to justify a stand alone article and searches don't find anything significant that's not related to SpongeBob.. Neiltonks (talk) 13:50, 30 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I'm always uncomfortable with these type of nominations that are filed days after an associated subject dies. The sourcing here is not problematic in the least and it looks like an average production company article. chatter) 05:59, 1 December 2018 (UTC)[reply
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Keep as the article already has references that show significant coverage in multiple reliable sources and therefore passes
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It is significant coverage of the company's products but more coverage of the workings of the company would be good Atlantic306 (talk) 15:43, 2 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Merge to (probably) Stephen Hillenburg. There is little information here that is not already in the articles about Stephen Hillenburg and SpongeBob SquarePants - the exact date of incorporation is probably the main new information. There is one reference which is not included in either of the main articles, which is actually not about the production company but about the charity which shares its name, the United Plankton Charitable Trust - it would be good to include info about that in the Hillenburg article. RebeccaGreen (talk) 11:20, 8 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Merge and redirect to
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Delete References fail the criteria for establishing notability. Merge any relevant info to
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Broken (Memphis May Fire album)

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Procedural nomination: Please see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 November 23#Broken (Memphis May Fire album) for further information. Steel1943 (talk) 16:26, 30 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging participants of the previous discussion. @Jax 0677, Walter Görlitz, Ibbus93, and Thryduulf: You have been pinged. Steel1943 (talk) 16:29, 30 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - The lead single is talked about in two of the references, and there are reviews here, here, here, here, here and here. --Jax 0677 (talk) 17:03, 30 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - If the article can not be kept, it should be merged. --Jax 0677 (talk) 17:22, 30 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I would agree to merging the content into a one-paragraph section in the band's article (as that's what most of the independent sources are giving it). That makes perfect sense. If a redirect is the solution, the redirect could point to that section. Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:06, 30 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete There have been a total of 12 references supplied to date and I cannot find more. To meet
WP:NOTINHERITED so the single can have an article, but there are no sources for the album. Walter Görlitz (talk) 17:09, 30 November 2018 (UTC)[reply
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Comment - @
WP:RFD because there was a dispute about whether it should be a redirect or an article. I did not put deletion of the history on the table, which I believe should not happen in this case. "Double jeopardy" is irrelevant in this particular case. Have you read any of the reviews that I posted above? --Jax 0677 (talk) 17:22, 30 November 2018 (UTC)[reply
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Keep - There is no reason to redirect to the band or to delete altogether. Both nominations may have been based on the article's current sourcing, rather than what it could be per the
WP:NEXIST standard. Jax (above) has found plenty of worthy reviews in that genre's usual publications. There was also advance media notice for the album before its release, indicting widespread interest in the band and any new product from them. The article already has a couple such announcements, I also found some in the generally reliable Loudwire [8] and Blabbermouth [9]. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 19:52, 30 November 2018 (UTC)[reply
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@Doomsdayer520: There is a reason to delete or redirect. The reasons given were based on many sources. Please read what is written before you make inaccurate statements. Your new source, http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/memphis-may-fire-to-release-broken-album-in-november-the-old-me-single-available/, is brief coverage that is ROUTINE. Can you find either significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, or other indications that the album itself is notable? Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:05, 30 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sign your comments then read
WP:AGF. And "independent of the subject" means not written by the band. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 20:10, 30 November 2018 (UTC)[reply
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Reply - @Walter Gorlitz:, "Have you read any of the reviews that I posted above"? "If The following are independent of the subject, what exactly is the problem"? --Jax 0677 (talk) 20:47, 30 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"Independent of the subject" does not mean "not written by the band" exclusively. It means not paid for by the band, or their record company or anyone associated with the band. However, the Tweets, etc. are the only ones I categorized that way. Jax, I looked at the reviews of the song, but did not find significant coverage of the albums there. Was there any? What exactly do they have to say about the album itself that you think constitutes significant coverage? Walter Görlitz (talk) 21:11, 30 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Reply - You said above that "The following are independent of the subject" regarding the Spotify and Facebook articles. It is difficult to talk about an album without talking about the songs, and if the 6 reviews that I mentioned above talk about most of the songs, they are effectively talking about the album. I am not going to paste the whole review in here, so please tell me what about the six reviews that I posted at 17:03 on 30 November 2018 make them not acceptable? --Jax 0677 (talk) 21:32, 30 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Facepalm! Thanks for the clarification. I also moved the Facebook link up to the short entry section. I looked at the reviews this time and I'll have to look deeper. I'll take your word if you claim they're all RSes. They would qualify as SC from RSes if that's the case, and I would change my survey if that's the case. Walter Görlitz (talk) 21:45, 30 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: I think that the album deserves an article. The sources has been criticized but there are new reviews and articles about the record coming from Sputnikmusic and Deadpress, totally reliable sources. Ibbus93 (talk) 11:10, 3 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
https://www.sputnikmusic.com/review/78414/Memphis-May-Fire-Broken/ is a user review! http://www.deadpress.co.uk/album-review-memphis-may-fire-broken/ is written by Damon Taylor who is listed as staff, but it's currently not considered a reliable source. Walter Görlitz (talk) 02:10, 4 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Deadpress is totally reliable. This discussion is garbage, how can you define a source not reliable because of a Google Chrome warning? Probably there was a problem with HTTPS. Since last versions, if the site doens't run on HTTPS, Google Chrome told you that the website is not safe and right now Deadpress doens't run on HTTPS. Ibbus93 (talk) 13:54, 4 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Good point. You should raise it at
WP:RSN. Until that decision changes though, it is categorized as not reliable. That it doesn't allow for a secure connection is problematic for different reasons. Walter Görlitz (talk) 18:22, 4 December 2018 (UTC)[reply
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KEEP - If
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Passing mention in Revolver not significant coverage, but with a few more passing mentions we may get to GNG. Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:04, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Passing mention? They talk about it for three paragraphs. The definition of significant coverage is that it "addresses the topic directly and in detail". In the Revolver article we are told the following information about Broken: 1) The central theme of the album ("We are all broken people because life is not perfect"), 2) The lead single from the album ("The Old Me.") and details of how the video for it was shot, 3)The musical style ("Rock heavy"). Clearly
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Are you reading the same piece. I see that they talk about brokenness, mention the album's "central themes" and a video for the single but don't really talk about the album itself. What are the tracks? Who's the producer? When and where was it recorded? I don't know much more about the album after reading that piece than I did before I read it. Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:21, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
WP:SIGCOV merely requires that the subject be discussed “directly” (it is repeatedly mentioned by name and various aspects of it discussed) and “in detail” (I.e., details of it are discussed - the theme, musical style, inspiration, the lead single from the album and the making of the video for it). This is clearly not a drive-by mention whilst discussing something else and it provides exactly the kind of detail that an article can be based on. The fact that you can think of details that aren’t there is immaterial - not everything that you might want to know about an album can be sourced. FOARP (talk) 14:43, 15 December 2018 (UTC)[reply
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No. You're missing a lot in that part. I asked those specific questions because we are to use "no original research is needed to extract the content" and so without track listings, etc., and yes, everything that I asked about an album can be sourced. That's different than making a wish list and saying it can't be sourced. I'm not asking what the band ate after vocal sessions for the second track. I'm not asking about what type of vehicle they used to arrive at the studio. I'm asking whether basic information can be sourced. It cannot be. Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:36, 15 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I think you're missing the point of "no original research required to extract the content". That's not "no original research to extract the content I wish to find". That's "no original research is needed to extract the content of the article" - you are not having to guess or use your own knowledge to infer what the reference tells you about the subject. Whether or not a track listing is available for an album is immaterial since it is not an absolutely necessary part of an article about an album. Ditto producer and other details you mentioned. The article merely needs to be able to tell you something relevant about the album, and the Revolver article supplies those. FOARP (talk) 22:37, 15 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I think you're missing the point. This is not significant coverage. It's one paragraph in a fluff piece. Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:38, 15 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
One para? I count three:

"Mullins explores his experiences and struggles with anxiety and depression on Memphis May Fire's latest album, the diverse and rock-heavy Broken. "We are all broken people because life is not perfect," the singer points out of one of the album's central themes. "There's beauty in that brokenness because scar tissue is stronger than skin. We grow and become better versions of ourselves having gone through the worst times in life."

The narrative thread of fighting one's demons — and the messiness that goes along with it — is also carried through to the action-packed, violent and bloody video for Broken's lead single "The Old Me." The Marvel-sized clip required 36 hours of filming all throughout a freezing cold night in Santa Clarita, California, special effects makeup to create a stunt double of Mullins and a fight coordinator from the Fast and the Furious movies to make that believable punches were being thrown. Mullins describes the song and video as a "me vs. me" concept that symbolizes the duality that exists inside him, and at-times brutal fight between his anxious and non-anxious states.

Revolver recently caught up with the frontman for a candid and far-reaching conversation about his mental-health issues and EMDR therapy, Broken's message of hope and understanding, the loss of We Came As Romans Kyle Pavone, as well as Mullins' On Point Pomade grooming product business and much more."

(references to the album highlighted in bold) FOARP (talk) 10:06, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Only the third actually says anything about the album. You know, italics are not used for pull quotes either. Read what I wrote above. Walter Görlitz (talk) 11:57, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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RU Andromedae

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Doesn't meet the notability criteria of
WP:NASTRO, it exists just as a database entry Psyluke (talk) 16:50, 30 November 2018 (UTC)[reply
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Administrator note I have fixed the above nomination, as well as putting this AFD in the right place. Primefac (talk) 16:06, 2 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Fails
WP:NASTCRIT. Not naked eye, not discovered before 1850, not in a catalogue of high historical importance, no popular coverage, no technical coverage specific to this star or a small number of stars including this one. I tried to expand the article and came up with virtually nothing except the bare facts of its existence. Lithopsian (talk) 19:48, 2 December 2018 (UTC)[reply
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Provisional keep. The previous AfD claimed that an entry in General Catalog of Variable Stars met NASTCRIT criterion #2. The nom has offered no counter to this. There is not much turning up in online sources, but there is some coverage [10][11][12][13] ([14])[15]. SpinningSpark 01:27, 8 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The GCVS doesn't meet criterion #2 (IMO, and the opinion of those who have previously deleted dozens of variable star articles). It is a catalogue of some 90,000 stars, the majority of which are very faint and many with tiny amplitudes. Most amateur astronomers would struggle to tell you what the GCVS is and it is hard to claim historical significance for something that didn't exist until 1948. Entries are increasingly being bulk added by methods such as statistical analysis of space-based photometry, for example the 3,000+ stars added from analysis of Hipparcos photometry. For a reductio ad absurdum argument, it would be easy to pick a GCVS star which never gets brighter than 25th magnitude and couldn't possibly be considered notable - try V711 Cas just for fun. Like you, I found a number of mentions for RU And, but couldn't come up with enough for an article. Lithopsian (talk) 16:32, 9 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
You may be right about the current contents of the GCVS, but I'm betting its contents when first created were much more select. Observations of RU And. actually predate the catalog's creation. The first ref I gave, for instance, is dated 1905. This is not a star that is "faint and...with a tiny amplitude". It is bright enough for amateur astronomers to find and has an amplitude of nearly five magnitudes. At its brightest it may even be visible with binoculars. SpinningSpark 17:18, 9 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Citing NASTCRIT, only objects discovered before 1850 are eligible for an article of their own, regardless of how much they were studied. The first reference in 1905 doesn't mean anything to astronomical object notability. Moreover, a previously deleted article (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/V Andromedae) shows a clear counter-example for the notability of GCVS.Psyluke (talk) 19:44, 10 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Just for completeness and history geeks, there were around 10,000 entries in the original GCVS publication. I haven't done a statistical study, but inevitably their average brightness would have been much higher than the current catalogue, and unlikely there were any 25th magnitude objects. All of which is irrelevant to this discussion. We're not considering deleting RU And because it is very faint (although if it was a naked-eye object, ever, then it would be automatically notable), and we're not discussing it because it has a small amplitude (there are no criteria relating to amplitude of variability and notability), we're deleting it because an entry in the GCVS is not sufficient to make a star notable, as per previous AfD discussions and my reductio ad absurdum example. Lithopsian (talk) 21:23, 10 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
My argument is essentially that when it was first catalogued it was in a much more select group. According to an article in Baltic Astronomy, the 1943 Astronomische Gesellschaft catalog of variables had 9476 entries. In 1905, the catalog would have been substantially smaller and the star's discovery clearly occured well before that. The 1905 paper is a report of observations made in 1904, and it refers to "previously measured light curves". I can't manage to find the year of discovery online, but it has to predate 1904. SpinningSpark 22:47, 10 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Merge: I only found a couple of data entries in published papers. It's non-notable by itself, so I suggest a merge/redirect to List of stars in Andromeda. Praemonitus (talk)

Comment. The star appears in Edward Charles Pickering's list of long-period variables magnitude 9 or brighter from 1911. The list has 372 entries; much shorter than the 1948 GCVS's 10,000 entries. This index shows that the star has discussion in Popular Astronomy on at least two pages in 1903, and one in 1904. This gets it much closer to NASTCRIT criterion #2, "of interest to amateur astronomers". SpinningSpark 09:49, 11 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per spinning spark. FOARP (talk) 18:50, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 11:59, 21 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

BigBreaks

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Originally PROD'd with the rationale "Non-notable advert; everything WP
terms-of-use.[16]". The PROD was contested; the article is still an advert about a non-notable company. ——SerialNumber54129 09:33, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply
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Delete Does not meet Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies). The few sources out there are clearly just based on company press releases. There is nothing that could be called independent and in-depth.Glendoremus (talk) 00:36, 15 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Article is too promotional in tone and style, and lacks any sources that establish notability.TH1980 (talk) 04:09, 15 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Need Indian-language sources—This is a domestic Indian private firm. The ability to find documentation on US and European firms which are private is difficult, and this being an Indian domestic company multiplies that difficulty. I've done a bit of chopping and revision to the article, adding two citations (one of these certain does not contribute to notabiity). --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 15:48, 16 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Not seeing the
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The result was keep. Withdrawn by nominator
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Iouri Bekichev

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Subject is an MMA fighter. Fails
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WP:NMMA. The guidance literally tells you that a fighter can be notable if they "[h]ave fought at least three (3) professional fights for a top-tier MMA organization", on his page there are SEVEN (7) fights listed under events held by Fighting Network Rings, which according to the list that the guidance refers you to, is a now-defunct but formerly top-tier MMA organisation. I really do not understand why people make these one-sentence AfD proposals with such obvious and unexplained flaws. Before wiping out the work of other editors, you should at least do the work necessary to confirm that it is necessary to do so. FOARP (talk) 09:00, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply
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They list it as "Rings" which is just another name for Fighting Rings per the
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The result was delete. Sandstein 11:58, 21 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Mihail Apostolov (fighter)

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Delete As per nominator.PRehse (talk) 10:02, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete His MMA "career" appears to have been a 63 second loss so he fails
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The result was delete. Sandstein 11:57, 21 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Student suicides at Indian Institutes of Technology

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This topic is notable but consisted of something that might have been a transcript, a long list of students, and some overall statistics. The overall statistics were unsourced. The long list of students presented
WP:NOTNEWS concerns. When removed the page basically has no content. I suggest that this page be deleted (the history of the students names should be erased) and then this topic redirected to the IIT article, where I have incorporated the one remaining sentence. If it then needs to be split back out in the future due to expansion, it can be. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 03:03, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply
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Delete – This article was a list of names of students at
WP:BLPNAME. This is not the same thing as List of suicides, which deliberately restricts inclusion in the list to individually notable people.
For this reason, the article's history, which still has the list of names, should be deleted. If any editor is interested in writing about the issue of student suicides in general, then I would suggest that they start by adding that information in prose in a subsection of Indian Institutes of Technology, and if that section grows unwieldy, it can be split off at a later date. Mz7 (talk) 03:06, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply
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Delete per
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Delete - Mz7 hits the nail on the head here Spiderone 10:32, 16 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - per all of the above SalmanZ (talk) 22:09, 16 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as above. The excessive table details would imply that there is a notable official list of students. However, given that there isn't such a list, it should not be the Wikipedia editor's job to construct a list as original research or
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Comment Draft:IIT Suicides should also be removed if AFD goes through. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 22:40, 18 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Agree that
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The result was delete. Sandstein 11:57, 21 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The Fifth Column Podcast

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No coverage in independent reliable sources, does not meet
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Delete I'm not seeing the significant coverage in independent sources that would merit a separate article.
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Delete Agree with editors above, there's lots of drive-by mentions of it but nothing that rises to the level of
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Delete There are not enough independent sources to establish this podcast's notability. Modeov (talk) 10:48, 19 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 11:57, 21 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Golam Mohammad Rabbani

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The subject is not notable and does meet the guidelines for politicians. He has not been elected to any office. The article seems like a vanity project and has been edited by him/or a user who shares his name. Vinegarymass911 (talk) 01:06, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify/Userfy It's not even as much of a politician article as it is a general biography article. His position is equivalent to like Republican/Democrat County Chapter President in the US, except without having any public office. As for current sources, 1 and 2 are dead links. Source 6 (which is cited as many times) is published by a company he works for and is therefore not independent. 7, 8 and 9 are all passing mentions. However, within the past couple weeks, there's been a lot of coverage on him because he's trying to run for offices but some officials won't accept his nomination papers, apparently because he wants Bangladesh to be a social welfare state. Article fociusing on him here If he winds up getting elected, then it could be moved back out into the mainspace. Willsome429 (say hey or see my edits!) 16:58, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Nothing stated here is "inherently" notable enough to guarantee him a Wikipedia article just for existing, but the references aren't
primary sources that do not demonstrate notability at all, or glancing namechecks of his existence in news articles that aren't about him. No prejudice against recreation if he actually wins the election he's currently running in, but even if that happens the article will still have to be written and sourced a lot differently than this. Bearcat (talk) 18:09, 16 December 2018 (UTC)[reply
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The result was keep.
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Edward Dearle

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It is my belief that this does not meet the notability requirements of Wikipedia. The individual produced several works during their life, but none of any notability or influence on later creators. References do exist to the individual, but these are passing references and do not meet the requirements of
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Keep - The page lists number of references, albeit 19th century references, that appear to sustain notability. Winning a prize also indicates notability. Since notability, once gained, is permanent, the lack of more modern sources indicating notability does not matter. FOARP (talk) 10:07, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This one is a hard one to judge based on the amount of 19th-century print sources, but I'm going to say keep on this one. Source 1 on the page is most definitely significant coverage, and if it can in fact be verified that he helped found a notable institution in Trinity College London (the college has nothing for nineteenth-century history on its website), that would further cement notability. Willsome429 (say hey or see my edits!) 16:17, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep.
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Egede, Enugu

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It's not clear to me what, if anything, in this article is citable to the sources, but - I daresay this town exists, it is just possible it's notable, but "you can't get there from here" - if there is to be an article about it, you wouldn't start with that one. Pinkbeast (talk) 00:28, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep The town certainly exists and the nomination's tentative comment about this indicates that
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Keep. What is citable to the sources is simply a page-quality issue, AfD is not clean-up. we have to
WP:GEOLAND an inhabited location should be presumed notable so long as it actually exists, and it clearly does. FOARP (talk) 09:39, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply
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Keep per Andrew D. The key question here is is the town notable?, not is the article perfectly sourced?. Google Maps verifies that this town exists, which definitely makes it pass
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Keep needs a major rewrite, but it's a populated place. I'll add that Google Maps is NOT a reliable source for this kind of stuff. [18] [19] SportingFlyer talk 23:44, 16 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 11:56, 21 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Tatyana Shagalova

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A non-notable dubbing Russian actress.--RTY9099 (talk) 05:06, 12 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete non-notable dubbing actress.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:20, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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