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April 15

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on April 15, 2022.

Oblique striped pufferfish

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 00:22, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

These were the result of two unexplained pagemoves by a newer user—pagemoves that I will

RM/TR request from Plantdrew, we agreed to wait a month to see if pageviews dropped off, and they indeed have, removing the only potential reason to keep these redirects. They should be deleted as supposed alternate names that fail verification. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 22:50, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply
]

  • Delete per nom. Plantdrew (talk) 23:11, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. --Lenticel (talk) 02:56, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. It is always interesting googling a string of three words that sound logical together and getting only one verbatim result and 0 if I throw on the -wikipedia flag. TartarTorte 12:17, 18 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Battlestar+Galactica

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 00:22, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The use of the "+" in the title makes the redirect

WP:RFD archived discussion for them (see the search) turned up with almost every previous discussion which contain URLs with "+" in them, so I had to give up trying to find them.) Steel1943 (talk) 21:19, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply
]

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Destruction of the Twelve Colonies

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 April 23#Destruction of the Twelve Colonies

Battlestar Galactica (2020 TV series)

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 April 23#Battlestar Galactica (2020 TV series)

Windows 2013

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 April 23#Windows 2013

Cubit (currency)

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 April 23#Cubit (currency)

Settings in Battlestar Galatica

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 April 26#Settings in Battlestar Galatica

Scrubs music

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 April 23#Scrubs music

UCD Olympic Handball

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 April 23#UCD Olympic Handball

Spenard Builders Supply

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 April 23#Spenard Builders Supply

Knife/Wrench

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 00:23, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This was a stub created in 2008 and was

WP:XY issues since Knife and Wrench are two different subjects. Steel1943 (talk) 18:41, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply
]

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Find the Saltine

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 April 23#Find the Saltine

Collapsible tables

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 00:25, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Not mentioned in target article, even at the linked section. (The word "collapsed" is mentioned once, but the section where it is mentioned isn't descriptive enough in regards to the nominated redirect's phrase to target the redirect there.) Also, the subjects at Table (information) and Table (database) can also have "collapsible" variants, meaning such a concept is not exclusive to the current target. In addition, Collapsible table, the singular form of the nominated redirect, doesn't exist. Steel1943 (talk) 17:17, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete as it stands, though I note that
    Collapsible chair redirects to Folding chair, and we have a Folding table (which, unlike the chair article, does not mention it being "collapsible"). I think that if some "collapsible" content were added to Folding table, a redirect to that article could be justified. Of course, there is no information science or database sense of "chair", and if we had content on collapsible tables in that sense, then a disambiguation page would be in order. BD2412 T 17:26, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply
    ]
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Chair toss

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 00:24, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

So ... this title was an article for about 7 days in 2008, and before being

WP:AFD: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chair throwing. Either way, in regards to this title's utility as a redirect, the terms "toss", "throw", etc. are mentioned nowhere in the target article, leaving readers searching this term with nothing to find. Steel1943 (talk) 17:05, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply
]

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Inbound marketing

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 April 23#Inbound marketing

British common law

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The result of the discussion was procedural close. Nominator is a blocked sock. -- Tavix (talk) 16:54, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

British law redirects to Law of the United Kingdom. I propose to retarget 'British common law' also to Law of the United Kingdom. The law of Northern Ireland is a common law system and Scots law also features elements of common law. Balkovec (talk) 08:03, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply
]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay (talk) 16:43, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Superman films on television

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The result of the discussion was keep.
(non-admin closure) CycloneYoris talk! 11:16, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply
]

Not clear what redirect is for Indagate (talk) 06:09, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 06:24, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay (talk) 16:43, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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San Francisco Bus Rapid Transit

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The result of the discussion was no consensus.
(non-admin closure) CycloneYoris talk! 11:15, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply
]

Unlikely redirect, and not the only BRT project in the city Pi.1415926535 (talk) 05:46, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

In that case, San Francisco Bus Rapud Transit should be turned into a disambiguation page.Caleb M1 (talk) 16:22, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 06:23, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Notified of the discussion at Talk:List of San Francisco Municipal Railway lines
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay (talk) 16:40, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Giovanni Bonati (gymnast)

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 April 22#Giovanni Bonati (gymnast)

Arthur Harley

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 April 22#Arthur Harley

Template:MC

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The result of the discussion was delete. Jay (talk) 12:44, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The name "MC" is ambiguous as can be seen by MC (disambiguation) and the many entries there and any entry there that uses a template, can just as much claim the "MC" usage for their template. Even without those entries, "Metacritic" itself is ambiguous, as can be seen from Template:Metacritic. I propose the deletion of this template redirect, with a lesser option of redirecting to Template:Metacritic (though as I've claimed above, I doubt Metacritic has any primary claims to "Template:MC"). Gonnym (talk) 11:26, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom, currently unused so unnecessary and would create unnecessary ambiguity in articles Indagate (talk) 07:28, 17 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Modding of Command & Conquer

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 00:26, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This was an article which was entirely

WP:OR at the time of its AfD, which closed as Redirect. In spite of the AfD outcome over a decade ago, there is currently no content about "Modding" at the target. Modding is not unique to this game and anyone looking for information on modding this game, whether we have any or not, would already know we have an article and would go straight there. Jay (talk) 06:12, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply
]

I have borrowed arguments for this nomination from another ongoing RfD WP:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 April 4#Modding (Command & Conquer) whose fate may depend on the current discussion. Jay (talk) 06:13, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Update: That RfD closed as delete. Jay (talk) 06:07, 18 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete At the time of the AfD it did not have any reliable sources, nor is any of it currently used in the article. It would be deceiving as a redirect. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 04:55, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. and the result of the previous RfD. Veverve (talk) 20:47, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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More redirects indicating "®" status

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The result of the discussion was
trainwreck defaulting to no consensus across the board. Editors have raised valid concerns about two distinct subsets of the listed redirects, I don't see a way for this to have any sort of clean resolution, other than perhaps keep all, if this discussion were to be relisted. signed, Rosguill talk 20:46, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply
]

Per the outcome of Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 April 2#Redirects indicating "®" status, and the community consensus expressed there regarding the application of Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Trademarks, we should not have redirects purporting to represent the trademark registration status of words. BD2412 T 04:32, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete: I also can't imagine they're used frequently. I can't even recall the code offhand. Sure there's probably an insert but that doesn't quite help the browser address bar or the search bar, it's just more steps using whatever field like this and then copy and pasted. Just feels more complicated CreecregofLife (talk) 05:21, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete useless redirects that seem to have only been created for the sake of being created. Nobody is going to type "®" or (for example) type "Windows® Vista" in order to get to Windows Vista. There's not even a "®" character on any keyboard and whole point of a redirect is so someone can type something in the search bar as a shortcut to an article (especially if it's got a very long title or if the redirect is an acronym). I say delete all redirects that got "®" in it. —Mythdon (talk • contribs) 05:28, 15 April 2022 (UTC) - changed to keep (see below)[reply]
    For that matter, are there redirects with the copyright symbol in them? If yes, throw them in. If no, all the more reason to get rid of the Registereds CreecregofLife (talk) 05:53, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @
    A Patch, a Modem, and a Zantac®, because that is the actual name of a work, and not a claim of trademark registration). BD2412 T 06:11, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply
    ]
  • Big Delete Energy – remove all of these as useless because the symbol is not easily typed. Binksternet (talk) 05:31, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    On your computer, maybe? It's easy on mine – as easy as characters like å ß ç and ∂ and easier than characters like á, ü and ñ. WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:35, 19 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as completely pointless; no-one's going to type a longer form in as a short cut anyway. ® SN54129 05:43, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete all - we have a policy of not using trademark symbols in article name (except, as mentioned above, where the symbol is actually part of the name, like the Big Bang Theory episode), and no-one's going to type one of these by accident. — The Anome (talk) 06:55, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep all where the ® is following the name without space, delete only those few where a space has been inserted in front of the ® sign (like "Dr. SETI ®"). Some of the comments above show that some editors have an invalidly narrow view on the purposes and uses of redirects per our guidelines and a lack of understanding of semantic web and data mining technologies and how Wikipedia is an important part of it (for the benefit of our readers). The relevant part of
    MOS:TMRULES
    , the guideline (not policy), BD2412 most probably was refering to in his nomination, is specifically about article text and citations, not redirects.
While I do not particularly advocate for the creation of such redirects in the first place, they are in line with several of the listed purposes for why we create redirects per our relevant guideline
WP:RPURPOSE
, and I think that the editors who created these redirects had valid reasons to create them based on existing guidelines - and we should respect this rather than destroying their contributions and harming some applications (and indirectly ourselves).
While it is, also in my opinion, unlikely that someone deliberately types the ® in the search box, the symbol might easily be part of a copy & paste action into the search box, as most operating systems include the ® as part of the preceding word when marking words for copying (and while it is possible to avoid this, someone with accessibility issues might have problems doing so).
The same might happen with automatic lookup/linking tools so it is quite possible that someone ends up with the ® included as part of the resulting link when the original external text happens to include the symbol. It also makes external linking easier (and thereby also aids to address accidental linking), in particular in cases where more label text is following the link text (such as with "Intel® Atom"). Yeah, there are ways to work around this, but one deliberate purpose of redirects is to make it as easy as possible to access our contents, not to make it harder. Also, a redirect like "Speed® Square" will help reverse lookup, as someone may find some other (possibly more specific) contents in external search boxes using "Speed® Square" than using "speed square". This will not only help our readers but also our editors to improve our articles.
There are external AI & machine reading applications which harvest our redirect system to detect synonyms and other relations between words and contents, and without a redirect pointing one to the other it is more difficult to recognize that "Intel" and "Intel®" are the same, and consequently external contents firming under an "Intel®" label might not be automatically associated as being closely related to contents firming under an "Intel" label. Our redirects help to improve the quality of external contents and external search systems.
In some cases the symbol can help disambiguation in cases such as "Apple®".
Some people mentioned that trademarks can change over time. That's true, and that's one of the reason why we do not normally use these symbols in article titles (and prose) because they might not be considered neutral. However, redirects are not articles, and our rules are much relaxed for them (see
WP:RNEUTRAL
). As an encyclopedia, we are time-agnostic, and by including a ® in a redirect we do not claim that the trademark is currently associated with the term, only that it once was.
Going through our catalog of valid deletion reasons (
WP:RKEEP
) apply, namely #4 ("risk of breaking incoming links"), #5 ("someone finds them useful"), #6 ("closely related word form"), and to a lesser extent also #2 ("aid accidental linking") and #3 ("aid searches").
Therefore, there is zero point in deleting these redirects. It would not improve Wikipedia in any way, only harm it. Unless someone points out, on an individual basis, where a particular redirect is hindering us to further improve the quality of our contents (which however is very unlikely in this case), our guidelines indicate keep. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 09:19, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per the well-reasoned argument by Matthiaspaul. These were created to aid navigation, not to make any particular statement about trademarks or registration. Nothing is gained in deletion. –xenotalk 09:34, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete all. Absolutely no good reason to include trademarks in titles as that is not what readers are looking for when researching topics. Ajf773 (talk) 10:17, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • I can only comment on the one I created (the LOL redirect) and assume it was a redlink at somepoint. No issue with that being deleted along with the rest. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 11:05, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all. These are not helpful redirects. The character needed to type these is not found on standard keyboards and requires either knowing how to produce this or special virtual keyboards. Without all that trouble, the same search term without the symbol can produce the same result and will also show up before, making this redirect moot. Also per the former RfD. Gonnym (talk) 11:31, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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El Assico

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 April 22#El Assico

Malort

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The result of the discussion was retarget to
(non-admin closure) CycloneYoris talk! 06:10, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply
]

This should be retargeted to Jeppson's Malört. While this is to some extent a genericiziation, Malort does generally refer to the specific Jeppson's Malört and not a generic Bäsk liquor. I think that we could add a redirect hatnote to Jeppson's Malört to compensate for the retarget. TartarTorte 01:18, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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