Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1069

@KyleVietnam:. I echo everything that Marchjuly says in the note above. In addition, I will add that most things in the world are not worth impacting your mental health. Most definitely, a volunteer contribution done out of all earnestness should not. So, firstly, please do everything that you can to take care of yourself.

The thing about this website is that, most of the folks who edit this site are no different from you, and me, and most folks in this

WP:TEAHOUSE

forum, in that they are volunteering their time. When you receive feedback on an article, the feedback usually comes via re-usable templates. These notes can seem much more colder, much more curt, and much more acute, than they are intended to. In reality, most of the feedback providers are well meaning folks. Also, the rules can seem ominous and convoluted, more so when acronyms and abbreviations are used. Many of the more seasoned reviewers understand that and many of them take it a point to explain it out. For the folks who don't, I give them the benefit of doubt in that they might be hard pressed for time.

I really liked Marchjuly's feedback that you could reach out to some Project groups to partner with you and flesh out some of your ideas. Just a thought to consider.

Good luck. Take some time off if you need to. But, please, do not let this site (or anything else) impact your mental health. Cheers, and thanks for being a Wikipedia Editor.

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) 04:09, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi TeaHouse! One of

Thanks. Pezoporus wallicus (talk) 03:41, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

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ThatMontrealIP:. By "my article" I just meant the page that I started but I should use different wording in future as you said. Pezoporus wallicus (talk

) 04:51, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

No worries, someone said the same thing to me the first time I said "My article". It's a Wikipedia culture thing, to stress that no one owns any particular article.

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) 04:54, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

This is the first time I am on the writing front on Wiki and submitted a piece on May 19th, 2020. Here is the link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Faizanisraili Been quite some time and it still isn't public. I need help and your assistance in understanding of how to make it live to public. I will be grateful if anyone of you can help me with the same.

Thank you Faizan A. Faizanisraili (talk) 07:28, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi

WP:AFC, click on "Click here to start a new article" and follow the instructions of the Article Creation Wizard. Doing this will create a draft for you that you can continue to work on it until you think it's ready for submission. -- Marchjuly (talk

) 07:55, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

WP:G5 by Bonadea ~ Amkgp 💬

14:36, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

Well, no, not quite – I tagged the page the sockpuppet created (because "Stockholm Tunnel Rail Line 14" is a bad title, and because it was a sockpuppet creation), but the issue Devokewater is asking about is a little different. @Devokewater:, I have listed Template:Stockholm Red Line 14 at Wikipedia:Requested moves/Technical requests. There is a redirect in place at the old title, so it needs an admin to move it there (as the move can't simply be reverted.) Thanks for the heads-up! --bonadea contributions talk 22:40, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks bonadea --Devokewater (talk) 08:54, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi - unusual request i hope you can help with. I volunteer for the charity connected to the person named on this article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcellus_Baz

He has told me that having his year of birth listed potentially impacts the work he does with young people who may see it as a problem that he is the age that he is. Is there any way that the date of birth can be removed and not added again in future edits?

Thanks. 

paid editing

policies. ("paid editing" applies even to unpaid-in-money volunteer work, as you are compensated with the experience of the work)

Regarding your question, if this person's year of birth is not widely published in

edit request(click for instructions) on the article talk page. If it is widely published in reliable sources, it's going to be harder to remove. As for future edits, we can't guarantee that no one will add it again the future, but you are free to monitor the article yourself to see if others do. 331dot (talk

) 09:47, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

But if it is re-added, you can't just keep removing it. Unless it falls foul of a policy, other editors are entitled to add it and the reason you've given for removal isn't one that the community would generally accept as a reason to omit it.

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) 09:49, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

RoseCartwrightCommunications, It seems to me that the gentleman needs to get over it. He is either good at his charitable work or is not. He is either safe to work with people or is not. What on earth does his age 'imply'? Please be aware that this article is not his article nor your article. It is Wikipedia's article, and subject to editing by all. Be aware, too, of the Streisand effect, something you have already triggered any accident. Fiddle Faddle 09:50, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

BBC Sport has his age at 41 in 2016. Seems to be that the age thing won't just go away anyway. He is who he is. Fiddle Faddle 09:57, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you :

QuiteUnusual and :331dot - will take a look at the conflict of interest forms now and understood re: future editing. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rosethorn1984 (talk • contribs

) 09:52, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

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  WP:ISU issue.) —[AlanM1 (talk
  )]— 13:51, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi everyone, hope you're well. I just have a quick question regarding whether or not box office citations/sources should be included inside the "gross" parameter within the Infobox film. An editor had removed the sources for the box office gross of the film Weathering with You from the template, and I'm wondering why as many film articles include a source in the infobox. Thanks, help is appreciated. :) KaitoNkmra23 talk 10:21, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello,

WP:V. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs}

12:33, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

WP:LEADCITE says: Because the lead will usually repeat information that is in the body, editors should balance the desire to avoid redundant citations in the lead with the desire to aid readers in locating sources for challengeable material. Leads are usually written at a greater level of generality than the body, and information in the lead section of non-controversial subjects is less likely to be challenged and less likely to require a source; there is not, however, an exception to citation requirements specific to leads. The necessity for citations in a lead should be determined on a case-by-case basis by editorial consensus. Both sections note that direct quotes and controversial or likely to be challenged content should always be sourced, even in a lead section. Note that an infobox is considered part of the lead section. The best place to discuss this is probably the article talk page: Talk:Weathering with You You can ping the other involved editor to such a discussion. @KaitoNkmra23: DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs}

13:05, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

@KaitoNkmra23: In this case, because it is (correctly) present and cited in the body of the article, it's reasonable to not clutter the infobox with the cite. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 13:58, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

I was trying to edit a page to which I have no access, as I am too new. It is the protected page about Israel - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel

Under the section titled Antiquity, footnote 92 reads "Gnuse 1997, pp. 28, 31[title missing]", but I found the title of the book is No Other Gods: Emergent Monotheism in Israel. The author's full name is Robert Karl Gnuse. The citation should be

Gnuse, Robert Karl (1997). No Other Gods: Emergent Monotheism in Israel. England: Sheffield Academic Press Ltd. pp. 28, 31. ISBN 1-85075-657-0.

I do not have access rights to edit. I posted the information on the talk page, but no one has added it. Ihaveadreamagain 20:26, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Ihaveadreamagain, I have corrected it for you. Bakertheacre ^Chat/_{What I Baked} 23:19, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for being helpful! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ihaveadreamagain (talk • contribs) 15:39, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Why are you guys so biased. Look up any republican politician or leading voice and it’s like a smear campaign. Look up there democratic opposite and it’s like a resume. Come on man. Sad 208.92.174.106 (talk) 15:30, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Wikipedia articles merely reflect what the

reliable sources say about a topic. Theroadislong (talk

) 15:41, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Without specifics, there's really nothing to be done. If you have a specific complaint about the neutrality of an article, please talk about it on the article's talk page (which I would link to if you had given an example). Remember to be specific if you actually want something to change. If the material in question is sourced, you'll have to argue against the reliability of that source or provide other reliable sources that give an alternate viewpoint. That's how we work here. I hope that makes sense. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 16:43, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello,

I am reaching out because I am a little confused by the rejection of an article : Draft:Waldorf Astoria Versailles - Trianon Palace It is about a well known hotel in Versailles France, which is always confused by the Grand Trianon in Versailles which is part of the Chateau de Versailles. I feel there is a need to have the english equivalent of the French page Trianon Palace Versailles, just like there is a page about the Waldorf Astoria New-York or Waldorf Astoria Berlin. The reviewer mentioned "peacock terms", but actually the article seems quite neutral and presents the history of the hotel, and the outlets with documented sources (not the hotel website) The french article has the same content and has been out there for a long time. Thank you all for your attention, Marinedupont941 (talk) 16:11, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi Marinedupont941, start by deleting the whole Overall presentation section, it is pure marketing fluff that belongs on the hotel's own website. The History section is quite nicely written and demonstrates that the hotel has had quite a significant role in major events of the 20th century. Provided the sources are good that would form the core of the article. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 16:49, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

I have been trying to publish a clear independent fact page on a International Standard for Lean Six Sigma, without creating a debate. But it has been refused with this: You need to provide multiple reliable, independent, and secondary sources to prove notability.

The main references I have used are from the publishers and owners. I can add lots of other links to the article, but nearly all out consultants or training companies trying to sell their time or course. I did not want this to be a advertising space. So how do I get to publication when sources are to few, or linked to promoting a company? SystemicPeter (talk) 17:01, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

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too soon and sources will start to write about the subject over time. Some subjects may never become notable – that's not a reflection on their quality or importance, which is sadly a mis-perception that the public seems to have about Wikipedia. —[AlanM1 (talk

)]— 17:14, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Good day, my name is Frank Waive, I handle IT related matters for my day a politician from Delta state Nigeria. Am new to wikipedia and ma having issues having the draft approved. I need a step by step guide to the process please. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Francis_E._Waive 

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Draft:Francis_E._Waive, there is an explanation for the declining of the article. Please read the linked (blue-colored) items that go into more detail about our policies and guidelines.

It is important that you do not copy any non-freely-licensed material from outside Wikipedia. In your case this shows material was copied from franciswaive.com, which clearly has a copyright notice below. Even if you are the copyright holder, you would have to go through a process to prove that, and I believe would have to change that site to be freely-licensed. However, none of this is necessary, since that material is largely promotion in tone and not suitable here for that reason anyway.

Please try to look at other articles to get an idea of what to do. I'd suggest the Top/High/Mid importance articles that are B or higher quality at Wikipedia:WikiProject Nigeria#Assessment (click on the numbers in the cells to see the articles; probably best on a desktop or tablet). I hope this helps. —[AlanM1 (talk

)]— 23:25, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

The draft currently says, for example: "Rev Waive is blissfully married to Rita who is a Guidance and Counselling Educationist and blessed with great kids." We'd need independent evidence for claims that the marriage is blissful and that the kids are great. And perhaps also for the claim that this is a blessing. .... But no, we don't. We don't want the evidence or the claims. This is an encyclopedia, not a collection of PR material. The content of any article should be entirely dispassionate. -- Hoary (talk) 00:04, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Did you mean to write that you are Frank Waive and creating this draft for your 'dad'? If so, declare

WP:COI on your User page. David notMD (talk

) 02:40, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Which is now done. David notMD (talk) 03:31, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

You deleted the feedback (where it said "Do not remove this line!"). The feedback is there for the benefit of you and subsequent reviewers, so I have reinstated it. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:32, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Someone deleted my WIKI page. Just wondering if you could help restore it. Pettybecca (talk) 17:43, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

It is not

"your" page, though it may have been an article about you. The reason for the deletion is shown in the log which you can see at Rebecca Petty, and was explained to you at User talk:MER-C. --David Biddulph (talk

) 17:50, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

 Gbelection (talk) 18:53, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Gbelection. Do you have a specific question you would like to ask us? Nick Moyes (talk) 19:07, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

 Gbelection (talk) 19:12, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Is this about Draft:Raa Jehanzaib, Gbelection? If so that draft currently cites only a single source, leaving most of its content with nom supporting citations at all. That is apparently why it was declined. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 19:25, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Until yesterday, when I pointed my cursor to an underlined link to another article a preview of the first few sentences an maybe a graphic would appear. This was a very handy feature that allowed me to guess at the relevance of any link without leaving the page. Something removed this feature yesterday. How do I get it back? Mehcaver (talk) 08:20, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

@Mehcaver: That's strange. Page Previews seems to still be working for me. Could you please check if you still have it enabled at your preferences? It should be at Appearance -> Reading preferences. ◢   Ganbaruby!   (Say hi!) 09:23, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Also, Page Previews doesn't work outside of the mainspace (aka normal articles). They won't pop up on talk pages, policy pages, etc. ◢   Ganbaruby!   (Say hi!) 09:27, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

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Navigation Popups gadget more useful (Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets, browsing), as it works almost everywhere, showing article previews, history, or user contributions depending on context, and provides dropdown menus for other common functions, all without having to leave the page. Only thing is that it renders things in a more raw form, ignoring (or just displaying the source of) templates in particular. —[AlanM1 (talk

)]— 14:07, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

AlanM1, Weighing in with support for Navigation popups. Coincidentally, I was just checking something with my alt account, which did not have navigation pop-ups enabled, and it demonstrated are useful in ubiquitous that gadget is. I can hardly imagine life without it. S Philbrick(Talk) 19:34, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

I made my first draft. How do I publish it? Wanderlustwoman195 (talk) 19:23, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Wanderlustwoman195, It needs work, quite a lot of work. You need to submit it for review, and it will be pushed back to you for the work it needs. Our role as reviewers is to seek to ensure that an article will not immediately be subject to one of our deletion processes when it is accepted. That is why we push it back to the author. We want to accept articles. Fiddle Faddle 19:54, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

 2600:1700:C8A0:C860:403D:64AF:4AC2:97F5 (talk) 19:44, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

No. You should wait until you are notable and let someone else do it of they want to, one day

Create a blog instead, or a web site, or a twitter feed Fiddle Faddle 19:49, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

To elaborate on that, Wikipedia tries to dissuade people from attempting an autobiographical article (not page). See

WP:AUTO. If you are so well known that people independent of you have written at length about you, there may be a case for such an article. Keep in mind that once there is such an article, it is not 'owned' by the person it is about. Other editors can add content as long as it is properly referenced. David notMD (talk

) 20:01, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Draft Article Name: Draft:University of Miami Dr. Phillip Frost Department of Dermatology and Cutaneous Surgery

Hi!

I have been trying for weeks to get a page published and have been unsuccessful. Today, I received a different message within my rejected page:

The proposed article does not have sufficient content to require an article of its own, but it could be merged into the existing article at University of Miami. Since anyone can edit Wikipedia, you are welcome to add that information yourself. Thank you.

What could we do to get this page approved? We feel we have a pretty strong page but keep getting rejected. Any tips are greatly appreciated

Thanks so much! 129.171.150.128 (talk) 20:23, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello. I'm afraid that (like many people) you're confusing Wikipedia with a directory. It is

paid editing. --ColinFine (talk

) 20:46, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia has articles, not pages. That is an important distinction. And I am hazarding a guess that a department within a medical school rarely rates an article. Before you do anything else, I recommend you register for an account and address the paid editing situation asked by ColinFine David notMD (talk) 20:53, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

It is a little unusual for a Wikipedia article, to be about a single department in a medical school or a university. And as Colin Fine says above, there are currently no

significant coverage

in each of several such sources.

Note also that the current draft several sections that are basically lists, and mostly rather long lists, with little detail about any one item. The total length of these is probably excessive, and the encyclopedic value of such lists is often limited. It is o0ften better to have prose saying more about fewer items.

Note also that section headers are not generally cited to supporting sources -- individual statements or paragraphs are. See

referencing for beginners. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs}

21:01, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

• First, OP, either use your account or edit anonymously. You cannot do both on the same page. Second, rather than waste your time and other's time, I've rejected your draft. Add some content to the medical school article, but most of this draft is not acceptable content for an existing article either. John from Idegon (talk) 21:26, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

I wrote an article about Statue of Robert Baden-Powell, London. I have edited wikis before and I wasn't really bothered when other people edited it. But now I am frustrated by another editor who is insisting on including travel guide fluff because he wants "to keep this above 1500 characters". Part of what he wants to include is about a totally different statue. Can someone help me out, please? Swatchdog (talk) 14:47, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

dispute resolution. 331dot (talk

) 14:49, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Can't you just read the talk page discussion and offer an opinion? Swatchdog (talk) 14:55, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

The available means of dispute resolution offer avenues to get other opinions or resolve the dispute. 331dot (talk) 15:08, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

I thought "A friendly place where you can ask questions and get help with using and editing Wikipedia" meant that a human being might be willing to personally help me. But, sure, I will read that long page and try to figure out what I need to do next. Have you considered replacing Wikipedia Teahouse with a flowchart? Swatchdog (talk) 15:23, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

@Swatchdog: If you're wondering why 1500 characters, it seems like the other editor is trying to nominate the article for the did you know? section of the main page. One of the requirements is that the article must be 1500 characters in readable prose length. ◢   Ganbaruby!   (Say hi!) 15:23, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

• FWIW, We disagree on two sentences. Swatchdog doesn't think the sentences belong, though they are sourced. I have said that I believe that the sentences add context. Second, I said, if Swatchdog really wants to delete the two sentences, please add some more content to the article to bring it up over the 1500 floor required by DYK. However, Swatchdog (an editor with an account about three weeks old) who has written their first article and has only edited on this article, seems hell-bent to edit war over these two sentences. If I had known this was going to happen, I wouldn't have nominated Swatchdog's article for DYK. --evrik ^(talk) 02:55, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

@Evrik: My account HERE is new, but please don't assume that means I am clueless. I have experience with wikis and editing collaboratively, but the editors of those wikis all shared common goals, so I suppose this is a new experience for me. Swatchdog (talk) 16:46, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Wikimedia software is available to anyone for any purpose. I don't understand why you assume that because websites operate on common software that the rules policies and procedures are the same. Sorry, but simply having used wiki software doesn't begin to qualify you to edit here. What you are doing right here, right now is a violation of

WP:3O would be the usual choice for DR assistance, but they are very short staffed. I'd sugest posting neutral notifications at the talk pages of the Wikiprojects that follow the article. When two people can't agree, get more people involved. This isn't the place to do that. Thanks. Please don't tell me our current thing is threatening a mundane statue like that. John from Idegon (talk

) 21:40, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi, I nominated an article for DYK but I forgot to place what is mandated to place in the talk page when the article is nominated. I am kind of overwhelmed, I am not used to do these things lol. Help appreciated ^_^  CoryGlee (talk) 19:48, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

If you're meant to have put something in its talk page, then put it there now – maybe with an apology for your tardiness. Maproom (talk) 21:17, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

(ec) @CoryGlee: I'm not familiar with the process, but it looks like you figured it out. It looks the same as the one nominated after Sunny Cheung, Park Avenue Viaduct. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 21:25, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

AlanM1 Thank you both!, it was solved by a kind user. Thank you. CoryGlee (talk) 21:40, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

I created the article on

@Greshthegreat: Most articles on supercentenarians are merged into lists (see for example List of American supercentenarians and past deletion discussions noted at Talk:List of American supercentenarians). I don't know the precise guidelines, but I would be hesitant to invest a lot of effort into the article until you get some confirmation that it is an appropriate freestanding article. I'm pinging User:TFBCT1 who seems to edit a lot of supercentenarian articles and may have feedback. You could also post at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Longevity to get feedback. Calliopejen1 (talk) 21:55, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Great, thanks! I'll post this at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Longevity as well, to see what others think, and if they feel Hester Ford deserves her own article or should be merged into a different article or list. Greshthegreat (talk)

I have been trying to rewrite the article "Faux Queen," it was a start article with no major content updates since 2007. The term "Faux Queen" is considered offensive and outdated, as is explained on the more recently updated page "Drag Queen" and cited in the text repeatedly; I explained the terminology issues with AFAB drag queens and added additional information (there have been some prominent AFAB drag artists appearing in media recently), and information about their reception in the drag community. The change was reverted because it wasn't considered "constructive--" what did I do wrong? I tried adding more citations? PropterScientiam (talk) 15:50, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

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Talk:Faux queen. Also, sometimes it is better to do small chunks of edits at a time, over a longer time period. That way other editors can consider them piecemeal as you make the edits, rather than just seeing a complete rewrite all at once. Good luck! Calliopejen1 (talk

) 22:02, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

The citations all seem to be to research papers which, I assume, say something like "we used Cultrex to grow the cells", rather than providing the in-depth discussion which would be needed to establish

notability. But at least it's a genuine product. Your mention of treating the article as a brand information page had me thinking it was a quack product promoted as curing wrinkles or suchlike. Maproom (talk

) 16:14, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

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notable, though, for the reasons Maproom mentioned. I left a comment on the draft saying that I disagreed with the first reviewer, and I encourage you to resubmit for another review. Calliopejen1 (talk

) 22:05, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Did you amend the error in Sky Edwards wiki article? All I see is that you've archived my request, what's the point of me highlighting the error, if nothing is corrected HarrisHawk66 (talk) 23:07, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

HarrisHawk66, Wikipedia doesn't really work like that; folks don't tell us to fix things and we fix them. We're all just volunteers. Because anyone can edit Wikipedia, you are free to make the change yourself. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 23:18, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

... but if you change it yourself you need to cite a published

reliable source. The reply to your previous thread gave a reliable source which appeared to contradict your assertion. --David Biddulph (talk

) 00:31, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi

consider tweaking it a bit to further personalize it so as to avoid any misunderstandings. Please remember though that regardless of your choice of username, the fact that you have a conflict of interest has to do with you and your connection to the coming; so, you will still need to adhere to relevant COI policies and guidelines even if you do change your username. -- Marchjuly (talk

) 00:37, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

 Veronia.so (talk) 16:51, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

@Veronia.so: Hi, and welcome to the teahouse. I gave it a quick read, and there doesn't seem to be any blaring errors to fix, so kudos to you. If would be nice if you could use our our citation style, as well as provide some more citations for some sentences (Stereogum Magazine, first book, etc). To be honest, this isn't the best place to get feedback about your draft article. I suggest you head over to Wikipedia:Article_wizard and start a draft article there, where you can submit your draft for an editor to check your content and make sure it's up to our article standards. If you have any specific questions about how to edit Wikipedia (formatting, how to use templates, etc), feel free to drop another question on this page. ◢   Ganbaruby!   (Say hi!) 02:30, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

I want to improve an article by making it into a good article, but I'm not sure where to start. Any recommendations? P,TO 19104 (talk) (contribs) 21:31, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

@P,TO 19104: what article? Calliopejen1 (talk) 21:51, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

@Calliopejen1:Well, it could be any article, I was thinking about doing 1910 Oregon gubernatorial election or maybe 50 (number), but it could be any article. I just was thinking, what would the best process be? P,TO 19104 (talk) (contribs) 22:22, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

@Calliopejen1:I'd definetely want to do something related to a number article -- like 8 or 10 (or any number really!) because there aren't a lot of GAs for those types of articles. P,TO 19104 (talk) (contribs) 22:21, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

@P,TO 19104: I'd say the first steps to improving any article would be searching for good sources for improving the article, and outlining the general content you think the article should include. I think the number articles are going to be extremely difficult articles to work on, so I wouldn't do that for my first pick. Calliopejen1 (talk) 22:39, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Ok. Thank you. P,TO 19104 (talk) (contribs) 22:41, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

The 1910 article is currently rated "Start", so a long way from justifying nominating if for GA. AND, it gets only one viewer per day on average, so why bother. "50" gets more about 140 views/day, but does not feel like an article that can become GA. David notMD (talk) 02:58, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

My article Draft:FastFig is being repeatedly denied approval for the same reason: not enough "significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject" despite this not being the case.

The article does include sources that absolutely fit this criteria:

significant coverage multiple independent reliable secondary sources

Are reviewers not realizing that FastFig had an entire article written about it in Region's Business, for example?

Meanwhile there are articles about other companies in this industry that only cite themselves / their parent company, yet those articles are published and public. MathType is the most glaring example of this.

What differentiates the MathType article from Draft:FastFig? JayHotals (talk) 03:39, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi

WP:AFD if there only claim is that "another similar article exists". I'm not saying that "MathType" is one of these articles, but only that you need to try and justify "FastFig" based upon its own merits. -- Marchjuly (talk

) 04:50, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

 2409:4041:2E91:FF5A:84B6:BA47:ACDD:A41D (talk) 05:29, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Do you have a question or request? -- Hoary (talk) 06:14, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Smoothcoochie23 This user has been consistently vandalising various articles, could someone review their contributions and block them temporarily? I do not know how to get somebody to do this so I will ask here. 

Hi

user warnings or to engage the other editor on their user talk page to let them know of your concerns before seeking administrator assistance. -- Marchjuly (talk

) 05:02, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

 User blocked - by Widr for Vandalism Victor Schmidt (talk) 06:35, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

How do I attach photos to an article? User070510 (talk) 14:22, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello User070510, and welcome to the teahouse. There's a guide at Help:Pictures that shows you how, but that page is quite hefty. Are you trying to upload an image, or are you trying to attach an existing image to an article? ◢   Ganbaruby!   (Say hi!) 14:33, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Ganbaruby I am trying to attach preexisting images to an article. Can you please help me out? Thanks. User070510 (talk) 06:50, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Suppose you wanted to add File:Example.jpg to an article. You would find the place where you want the image to appear. Then add

[[File:Example.jpg|Thumb|left|A caption for the example image]] n

This will render as:

• 
  A caption for the example image

in the article. Does that help. 17:53, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Ganbaruby thanks for explaining it to me, I got it. User070510 (talk) 10:06, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, what's the difference between editing a category in the normal way or using hotcat? Aans03 (talk) 09:36, 16 July 2020 (UTC) Aans03 (talk) 09:36, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

@Aans03: The end result is exactly the same. HotCat just makes the categorization process faster, and has the added ability to check if a category exists when you’re adding it. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 10:27, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

The user bashed up the page pretty well, and it appears did enough damage that the autosign didn't even work. Since I'm the nominator I'd rather not mess with it, but I don't think it needs to go all the way up to ANI. Not sure where to ask someone to fix it. Jerod Lycett (talk) 11:01, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Which AFD page are you talking about? I would yust undo the edits or close the unclosed <ref> or <nowiki> or <code> Tags. If the user reinserts them, we escalate the

WP:POINTy. Victor Schmidt (talk

) 11:05, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ki Chung Kim is the AfD. Jerod Lycett (talk) 11:07, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Jerodlycett, I've reverted the last edit made by a user who's had several RDs already - AfD should be restored now. Ed6767 talk! 11:18, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

@Ed6767: Thank you. Jerod Lycett (talk) 11:19, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

(

WP:AFDFORMAT. Victor Schmidt (talk

) 11:20, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

@

links.) —[AlanM1 (talk

)]— 18:30, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

 Jacalyn Carfagno (talk) 18:31, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia Education Program. Hope it clears your queries ~ Amkgp 💬

18:51, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi,I want to create my own userbox. I have prepared all coding and format for it. But I can't figure where to make it. Should I make it where we are supposed to make articles or there is a seperate page group or......??ISL fan (talk) 16:06, 16 July 2020 (UTC) ISL fan (talk) 16:06, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello,

WP:UBXNS. --ColinFine (talk

) 16:21, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

@ISL fan and Royroydeb: Why is it under User:Royroydeb? You generally should create personal items, like templates, under your own user space, i.e., User:ISL fan/something . — Preceding unsigned comment added by AlanM1 (talk • contribs) 18:45, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

@ColinFine: Per the page history, that userbox was created by Royroydeb. Why do you think it is the one ISL fan created? RudolfRed (talk) 20:07, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Oops! Sorry, ISL fan and RudolfRed, I guess I wasn't paying attention. So, you can create it in your user space as Royroydeb did, or move it to Template space. --ColinFine (talk) 21:53, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi New to the joys of editing wikipedia I wish to update this page's table: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_railway_stations_%E2%80%93_A

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Ukrsrow Where is the template 'Ukrsrow' defining which external URL to use. In this specific case: http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/stations/ABW/details.html

Is it to do with vCard? I'm struggling to find any info on what it does. Dave F63 (talk) 21:38, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

No, Dave F63. 'vcard' is just a display class. If you 'edit' that template, you'll see that it calls other templates {{Bing GB map link}}, {{brldb}} and {{sildb}}, and it's got conditions depending on its fifth argumentl. You'll have to follow down through those other templates. --ColinFine (talk) 22:00, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Since May of 2020, I have been making improvements to Rhopalosiphum rufiabdominale page by organizing existing content (enhancing readability and updating reference links) and adding content for knowledge gaps (written information, photos, and references). Any constructive feedback you may have would be appreciated (please post on the talk page). Thanks in advance! LSBryce (talk) 19:06, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

LSBryce, Thanks for the contribution. You may submit the same request at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Insects for a possible better response from editors and experts contributing in that field ~ Amkgp 💬 19:16, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

LSBryce, it seems pretty good to me. Just one comment – the lead ought to summarise the body of the text, rather than act as a repository for content that doesn't fit in anywhere else. Ideally, you should write the lead section last, though I suspect few editors actually do that. Maproom (talk) 22:17, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

   ~ Amkgp Okay, will do, thanks.

  Maproom Okay good point! Thanks very much.

Hello - This page was recently created, however, looking at the editors history, they had this at one point in their drafts. I do not know what can be done with the page as it seems way out of context for an article. The page is Zamalek SC Honours. I am hoping a more experienced editor can take a look. Bakertheacre ^Chat/_{What I Baked} 20:19, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

It does seem a total duplication. I have put a

WP:PROD notice on it, for starters. Nick Moyes (talk

) 22:21, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

1. https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/marathi/music/shreyas-welcomes-bajis-return/articleshow/45777452.cms – The Times of India

2. https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2fglyx - Dailymotion

3. https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/hindi/music/news/atif-afzal-felt-bad-when-my-movie-with-salman-khan-got-shelved/articleshow/49581450.cms - – The Times of India

4. https://www.thestatesman.com/tag/atif-afzal - The Statesman (India)

5. https://www.business-standard.com/article/news-ians/composing-music-for-global-films-is-exciting-atif-afzal-117080200117_1.html – Business Standard

6. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OdgUpLmtyM – Adgully.com

7. https://urbanasian.com/featured/2015/02/abhijeet-sawant-joins-hands-with-bollywood-music-director-atif-afzal-for-baji/ - Urban Asian

8. https://in.news.yahoo.com/prague-music-review-093313942.html – Yahoo! News

9. https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/hindi/music/news/shalmali-kholgade-is-music-director-atif-afzals-lucky-mascot/articleshow/46041513.cms – The Times of India

10. https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/marathi/music/atif-afzal-sings-for-shreyas/articleshow/45533555.cms - – The Times of India

11. https://www.radioandmusic.com/entertainment/editorial/news/atif-afzal-lends-his-vocals-first-marathi-track-141215# - Radio and Music

12. https://www.glamsham.com/bollywood/news/atif-afzal-ready-to-fire-with-monsoon-shootout/amp/ - Glamsham.com

• I have had my albums on national music charts –https://open.spotify.com/search/atif%20afzal; https://www.jiosaavn.com/artist/atif-afzal-songs/IpND0zhNQgE_; https://music.apple.com/in/artist/atif-afzal/678929809; https://play.google.com/store/music/artist/Atif_Afzal?id=Abs4elwrrcqez5gt4neql6anacy&hl=en; https://gaana.com/artist/atif-afzal

• I have my albums released on a major record label – My movies Prague (2013 film) released on Universal Music Group and Times Music, Baji (film) released on Zee Music Company, Monsoon Shootout released on Saregama

• I has become one of the most prominent representatives of a notable style - World Music with notable work in Europe, India and the USA – https://www.imdb.com/name/nm5065411/; https://www.business-standard.com/article/news-ians/composing-music-for-global-films-is-exciting-atif-afzal-117080200117_1.html

• I have been nominated for a major music award – Mirchi Music Awards (Marathi) - https://www.radiomirchi.com/mma2013/marathi/nomination.html

• I have been a featured subject of a substantial broadcast segment on a national radio – Radio Mirchi - https://soundcloud.com/atif-afzal/radio-mirchi-21-sep-atif-afzal

• I have multiple credits for writing music for notable compositions – https://www.imdb.com/name/nm5065411/

You can find print newspaper/music magazines articles on my website - http://www.atifafzal.com/press/?mode=list. My name appears on multiple Wikipedia pages -

• Pune 52
• Prague (2013 film)
• Baji (film)
• Monsoon Shootout
• Abhijeet Sawant
• List of songs recorded by Shalmali Kholgade
• List of songs recorded by Neha Kakkar
• Bela Shende
• Chinmayi discography

I would be glad if someone can help me create an article for me. I have also posted a request here - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_articles/music#Composer AAComposer (talk) 23:13, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi

short-cut links I posted above. If you click on the links, you will be taken to pages that I think you might find helpful. -- Marchjuly (talk

) 03:09, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi

WT:MUSICIAN. I hope someone responds. Is there a way you could please create the article or ask the concerned person to take a look. I can provide whatever additional detail is required. Much appreciated. AAComposer (talk

) 21:32, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

You received a couple of responses to your post at

WP:NOTHERE, and thus make them more willing to help you. Establishing a track record of making positive contributions to helping to improve Wikipedia will make others less suspicious of your reasons for wanting to have an article about you created. — Marchjuly (talk

) 22:34, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Here is a link to the draft: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Pure_Salt_Interiors

Is there a way to learn how to do this easily as well?

Thanks! Mackenzie Skelton (talk) 23:13, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

@

WP:PAID, the latter of which requires a mandatory declaration if you are financially involved. —[AlanM1 (talk

)]— 23:58, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

 OscarandJerry (talk) 03:50, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi

consensus, but replacing the entire article with a version that you and your husband feel is better is something that might not be possible to do. -- Marchjuly (talk

) 04:26, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Some time ago I created an entry for Amy Steedman. She was an author and an artist. There are 44 books by her in the National Library of Scotland catalogue. My entry was deleted. How do I ensure that, when I recreate this, it doesn't happen again, please?.https://search.nls.uk/primo-explore/search?institution=44NLS&vid=44NLS_VU1&tab=tab1_local&mode=basic&displayMode=full&bulkSize=10&highlight=true&dum=true&query=any,contains,amy%20steedman&displayField=all&search_scope=SCOPE1 Mfkirke (talk) 10:13, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

a notable artist or notable author. A Wikipedia article should primarily summarize what such sources state. 331dot (talk

) 10:18, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply. It felt extremely unfriendly as there was no comment - just removal and I lost all my work (like a fool I had kept no copy). Now, had I been asked I could have produced, for example, the National Library of Scotland list. Before I try again, would that be enough of a source? And as for notability - I've just found a man whose sole claim to fame is playing for MCC once! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mfkirke (talk • contribs) 15:19, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

@

do not own the content they contribute. --Drm310 🍁 (talk

) 16:32, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

But will 44 published books be enough? or am I wasting my time? I'm not prepared to risk being treated that way twice. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mfkirke (talk • contribs) 16:42, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

@Mfkirke:

• It is not at all about how many books the subject has published. As an
  secondary, reliable sources
  have written about a subject. We need to see several (at least three) of such sources that have chosen to write at length about the subject (not just mention in a couple of sentences, or a listing in a directory). That means an author has written a whole book, article, or significant part of an article about the subject, and the material has been fact-checked, peer-reviewed/edited, and published.
• As far as your having found other articles that don't seem to demonstrate notability, yes, there are those. There was a time when Wikipedia was the "Wild West" and anything people flung at it, stuck. Over time, and with the assistance of a growing group of dedicated volunteer editors, those articles that are "less than" are being found and fixed or deleted. (See
  WP:OSE
  about this common argument.)
• Please don't take it personally. We don't know you and you don't know us. It's just about the work. We're trying to adhere to a consensus developed by this community over millions of man-hours on how best to curate a high-quality encyclopedia.

Many, many wikipedia entries fail that test. I was using one for family history purposes yesterday where the subject played cricket for the MCC once! 44 books some still in print after 100 years? And, because no-one has written a book about her, she isn't notable? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mfkirke (talk • contribs) 16:05, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

I'm afraid that's right,

neutral, so the bulk of any article should be based on sources wholly unnconnected with the subject. 3) This is an encyclopaedia, so articles should consist of more than just lists of works. Therefore, if there is little or no independent published material about the subject, there is literally nothing which can go into an article. --ColinFine (talk

) 11:42, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

So happy to be here, I have added authoritative sources for Christian Deciga and it is being nominated for deletion. My question is why I cannot use https://research.binance.com/en/projects/everipedia as a reference. It is scholarly research by a significant company. Thank you again! Happy to keep on contributing! And please comment on the page I have done my best to keep it from being deleted. == Anselkamil 17, July 2020 —Preceding undated comment added 05:28, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

A group of editors (about 15 of them) have been

DontWannaDoThis can you mention any pages on which this was done recently? The one I found fro9m your edit was over a month ago, and the editor involved hasn't edited en.Wikipedia since being warned. Nothing to do there. Any more recent instances of this? DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 21:49, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

@DESiegel:, I just wanted to know what to do in such a situation. User:DontWannaDoThis^≠ 09:46, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello. I am a new wiki writer and need help. I wrote this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Rick_Berks and apparently did a crap job with it! I assumed Rick Berks was notable because he started Planet Fitness, a giant chain of gyms in the USA, and there are pages of articles that mention him. I assumed too much. Would someone help me fix it?

The comments that you've already got there ask for additional references. Mere number of sources counts for little; they have to be from within reliable newspapers, news websites, etc. Best is to look for these. Incidentally, one of your references reads (after I've removed some mark-up): Facebook; Twitter; options, Show more sharing; Facebook; Twitter; LinkedIn; Email; URLCopied!, Copy Link; Print (2013-04-19). "New gym in town hopes it's a good fit". San Diego Union-Tribune. Retrieved 2020-07-16. What's the first two thirds of that about? -- Hoary (talk) 00:35, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

I don't know what that is either, it was a citation from San Diego Union-Tribune. Maybe I accidentally pasted something else? The ways of wiki are obviously not clear to me. Anyway, he seems to be notable, so if someone else wants to take a crack at it the edits would be welcome. — Preceding

talk • contribs

) 00:53, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

I clicked on the link. Unsurprisingly, "Facebook; Twitter; options, Show more sharing; Facebook; Twitter; LinkedIn; Email; URLCopied!, Copy Link; Print" is not part of the title; it looks as if somebody intended to copy and paste the title but was too inclusive. (Really, this has nothing to do with the ways of Wiki; it would be the same in a class assignment.) The article has a named author: Tom Sheridan. My point being that if you can produce more good sources and it looks as if you've tried your hardest, then people are more likely to want to help. You could also post a request where it's likely to be read by people who are interested in the subject: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Health and fitness is one possibility that comes to mind. -- Hoary (talk) 01:30, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

That's a good idea, thanks.

talk

) 12:58, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Berk's modest role in

Why ma=y draf deleted ? Deep Vaghasiya (talk) 12:43, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Deep Vaghasiya, and welcome to the Teahouse. If you're talking about User:Deep Vaghasiya/sandbox/Deep Vaghasiya, that hasn't been deleted so far, but (as the message on your user talk page says) writing about yourself is strongly discouraged, and if you carry on doing so you are likely to have a frustrating time. If you're talking about another draft, I can't tell what that was or why it was deleted. --ColinFine (talk) 12:53, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, Deep Vaghasiya and welcome to the Teahouse.

If you refer to

WP:DRAFT for where and when to create drafts and how they are used. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs}

13:01, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello. I tried looking this up, but a definitive answer didn't jump out--how do you combine references where once source is used twice, when the refs are already there? That is, the ref wasn't named in the citation template drop down. Is there a name template that is put before the first use of the ref when re-editing? Sorry if that's not clear... Thank you. Caro7200 (talk) 02:51, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Caro7200, and welcome to the Teahosue. Good question. You use named references Basically you give a ref a name, then reuse it. More specifically type <ref name="name">text of the citation</ref> to define the ref, then type <ref name="name"/> to use it. This is in the source (wikitext) editor. The name can be almost anyting, althoguh it can't be just numbers. A name must be unique within an article. I like names of the form Pub-Date, such as NYT-10Jan20 for an article from the NY Times dated 10 January 2020. But you may use any convention you please. See Wikipedia:Citing_sources#Repeated_citations and Help:Footnotes#Footnotes:_using_a_source_more_than_once for details. Doing this is very good practice. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 03:11, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Got it, thank you very much. Caro7200 (talk) 13:07, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Good Afternoon TeaHouse, can users ask the TeaHouse factual questions rather than Wikipedia-Related questions? Have a nice day! ReedBlower (talk) 13:21, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi

Reference Desk, which is subdivided by topic area. Roger (Dodger67) (talk

) 13:25, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, I'm new around here! ReedBlower (talk) 13:27, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Bold text 165.56.182.141 (talk) 16:02, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, do you have a specific question you want to ask? ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 16:21, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello

Good Morning, how would I make a template? 79.67.69.251 (talk) 09:06, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the teahouse. Templates on Wikipedia come in a lot of different forms to serve all kinds of purposes. Some templates are easy to make; others take a large amount of technical knowledge and is very, very difficult to get right. Why do you want a template, and what do you want it to do? ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 09:11, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for answering Ganbaruby! How would I make a template to indicate that an article is a disambiguation page? 79.67.69.251 (talk) 09:17, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. Do none of the templates in Category:Disambiguation message boxes meet your needs already? --ColinFine (talk) 09:40, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, didn't know that page existed. I did type templates but nothing came up. 79.67.69.251 (talk) 09:48, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

That's OK: this is a place to learn. I found that by entering "Template:DAB" into the search bar ("Template:Disambiguation" would have worked too). That took me to Template:Disambiguation, and I found the Category mentioned there. --ColinFine (talk) 10:42, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks!(I'm the same person, by the way, it's just my IP changed). 92.0.199.251 (talk) 13:00, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Glad to help. On a separate note, have you considered creating an account? That way, you won't have to worry about your IP changing, and you can keep a history of your editing. Plus, it's actually safer, as your IP isn't public! ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 16:35, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

I recently created a new article, the previous version of which had been deleted for copyright violations.

Among its subsequent changes, another editor removed a quote from the article's subject along with its accompanying reference, indicating that no quotes from the subject should be included in biographical articles. I've looked around a bit but haven't found anything concrete that says that this is a recommended or best practice. Can someone point me in the right direction?

Thanks. Kumboloi (talk) 15:27, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Kumboloi, You may go through Wikipedia:Don't overuse quotes and Wikipedia:Quotations and neutrality essay to understand the problem ~ Amkgp 💬 15:33, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you ~ Amkgp, that was helpful. Kumboloi (talk) 16:36, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

When I had a dispute with another editor on an article, I tried using the dispute resolution process. The whole thing went sideways, however, and I'd like an uninvolved editor to help me understand where I went wrong. I'd rather not do it on a public noticeboard, however. Is there anyone who can help? Thanks! --Slugger O'Toole (talk) 15:44, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Convenience link: Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Catholic_Church_and_HIV/AIDS.   Maproom (talk) 16:13, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Slugger O'Toole: Hi, and welcome to the Teahouse. If you're referring to Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard#Catholic Church and HIV/AIDS: well, that's a whole lot of reading that I'm not going to go into. However, you might want to take a look at Wikipedia:It's not the end of the world. Remember to AGF and move on. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 16:20, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Ganbaruby, I'm not upset, as in emotional, over the incident. I do, however, want to avoid similar situations in the future. If you can't help that's fine, but I would appreciate someone who could. -- Slugger O'Toole (talk) 17:09, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Ganbaruby, some advice.

1. You went to dispute resolution over an issue in which yours was the minority view. The discussion made it clear that yours was the minority view. Fair enough – that can happen to anyone.
2. Throughout the resolution process, you took a combative attitude. That didn't help your cause.
3. Having realised (I hope) that you had lost the argument, you are still concerned about it, as shown by your raising the issue here. That's your biggest mistake. In six month's time, no-one else will remember the issue. You should forget about it too. I'm sure you have more constructive, and pleasanter, ways to spend your time. (For me, a big attraction of Wikipedia editing is that no-one is assessing my performance. I don't have a boss, and none of my colleagues is aware of most of the things I do. If something I do turns out badly, I can just walk away.)   Maproom (talk) 18:20, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

• (I'm guessing the above was meant to address Slugger O'Toole.) —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 18:43, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Please help me publishing this draft properly

Dear all! I just created the following draft page for the English Wikipedia. As I can only create drafts, I need someone who reviews it and publish it! The link to the new page is: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Marquisate_of_Maratea&action=history

This page is the English version of another one in Spanish, which is the following: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marquesado_de_Maratea

So I guess both pages should be "linked" so when you enter the one in Spanish you can go to langages and read the English version and viceversa.

Also, on the new draft I created in English I don't know how to properly make the simbols/images appear...I mean that in the Spanish version a coat of arms appear, a picture of the titleholder, etc...But in my draft it doesn't appear and it definitely should.

Thanks a lot everyone! Lexartur (talk) 18:28, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Lexartur, and welcome to the Teahouse. Draft space is the right place for this, because it needs some work before it is put into the main article space. As you have found, translating a Wikipedia article is much more than just translating the text. Have you read translation? You need to translate or convert some things behind the scenes: I have done a couple of them for you - changed the template "Ficha de título nobiliario" to "infobox family" - but you will have to look at the parameters to Template:infobox family and supply the ones that are missing or differently named. I have changed the "Archivo" to "File" to get the image to appear - that worked because this image is in Wikimedia commons, but if it had been uploaded directly to es-wiki, that would not have worked.

A Spanish noble family almost certainly meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability, but in general, just because an article exists in another-language Wikipedia doesn't guarantee that it will be acceptable in en-wiki. Finally, it is a condition under which all the material in Wikipedia is licensed that copying is permitted as long as it is attributed: this applies even with a Wikipedia. So you need to attribute it. This is most easily done in the Edit Summary when you create it, but you can do it on the draft's Talk page. --ColinFine (talk) 19:05, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello I need help with formating, and i need to create Biography wheni use biography template, i dont see any editing features, how do i activate those. It shows me the page with pic of socrates, but on my computer i am unable to activate and open any links to edit. I have tried it a couple of times. Please help and advise. How do i increase relevance and relaibilty of page. thanks for you help Pancham1 (talk) 16:21, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello Pancham1, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm a little confused about what you're trying to ask here. What's this "biography template" you are referring to? If you're referring to Template:Infobox person, please take a look at the documentation, where it explains what the different parameters do. If you're referring to how to format citations, see Help:Referencing for beginners. In general, the best advice I can give you for how to format a Wikipedia article is to look at an existing article and copy its formatting. As for your draft at Draft:Gurukul Vrindavan, Mathura UP, an editor has provided feedback at the top of the page. I would suggest you to read their comments as well as Wikipedia:Notability (people) before you revise your draft. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 16:31, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

If you read

substitute the template into your new article draft and save it there, then you can edit it further. It won't allow you to edit the template page, because that needs to remain unaltered for other editors to use. --David Biddulph (talk

) 19:18, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

my article name is pradeep ranganathan. this article was established last month in wikipedia and it was there till last week but suddenly the article was removed from wikipedia. i have also given reliable source reference to the article. i want to know how to reestablish the page. thank you Mani rulz (talk) 15:15, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

notability (people) ~ Amkgp 💬

15:27, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

You restored it to Pradeep Ranganathan. It's notability may still be challenged. David notMD (talk) 19:52, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Can someone help me in the page 2020 Malian protests, please? — Preceding unsigned comment added by BloxMoon (talk • contribs) 04:34, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi

nominate it for deletion. By moving it to draft status, you be able to work on improving things at your own pace and then you can submit the draft to Wikipedia:Articles for creation for review when you think it's ready. If after reading this you want to move the article to the draft namespace but aren't sure how, just ask below and one of the Teahouse hosts will do it for you. -- Marchjuly (talk

) 04:45, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

I have draftified this now, so you can work on it till its truely an article. Victor Schmidt (talk) 09:19, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

@BloxMoon: I added some references and some content that already existed in the article 2020 in Mali. Now it is a live article in the encyclopedia again. Please continue to expand your article from the sources cited. So much more could be said about this topic, clearly! Calliopejen1 (talk) 20:04, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi there, i am having trouble editing today, i can put the text in however the cite and adding link buttons are not working. Is this happening for anyone else? Thankyou Ukdatageek (talk) 21:04, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Ignore me, all sorted! Thankyou — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ukdatageek (talk • contribs) 21:48, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

 105.112.99.128 (talk) 22:27, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

...offer attractive terms of employment? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 22:39, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Did you have a question about editing Wikipedia, IP user? DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 22:49, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

@Prisencolin: You don't need autowiki browser to automatically fill in bare urls. If you go to the visual editor (which is available to all editors), you can use the "convert" button to make them into pretty-good references automatically, the majority of the time. I'd recommend you do that for now. Calliopejen1 (talk) 23:46, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, I usually avoid the visual editor because I have less control of formatting, but that sounds like a great feature. Thanks.--Prisencolin (talk) 23:48, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

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User:Zhaofeng Li/reFill. I use the bookmarklet to convert multiple bare URLs on a page. Eddie Blick (talk

) 00:37, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

@Prisencolin: You should definitely try it out! I basically never do references in source mode anymore (except for {{cite encyclopedia}}, which the visual editor doesn't do). Calliopejen1 (talk) 01:01, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi editors, hope you are going well, today Junaid Shah , Indian model and actor died due to cardiac arrest at his home. Kindly look into the article, and contribute, copy-edit at your level. Best. — The Chunky urf Al Kashmiri ^{(Speak🗣️ or Write✍️)} 14:06, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

@TheChunky: Welcome to Wikipedia. The article has been updated to include the death. Additional suggestions should do onto the article's talk page. RudolfRed (talk) 22:59, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi @

WP: THREE . There are independent stories on him in the news. What to do now?. — The Chunky urf Al Kashmiri ^{(Speak🗣️ or Write✍️)}

02:31, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Fiona Graham I need to add some sentences in this page, but I can't because I'm new on wikipedia. Is there a away to unprotect this wikipedia page? Harisidikk (talk) 03:22, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi

edit request at Talk:Fiona Graham. Someone who is able to edit the article will look over the changes you're proposing and assess whether they're in accordance with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines. -- Marchjuly (talk

) 03:37, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

everytime i tried to translate from arabic to english, i receive a message saying that the page can not be published as it required a more experience editor. who are the more experience editors and how can i start that? Ahmad hisham Helmy (talk) 08:34, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

If you are trying to use the content translation tool, the restrictions are described in the first paragraph. If you are proposing to translate manually, the instructions are at WP:Translation. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:20, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi I’m trying to get a page about my old band but to be honest I’m completely lost Dogzenzendog (talk) 11:26, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

When you say "get a page", do you mean "create a page"? If so, please don't, because it's your old band. Please read Plain and simple conflict of interest guide. -- Hoary (talk) 12:56, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy: This is probably about Draft:Dancing counterparts, and without references, no chance this becomes an article (Wikipedia does not do "pages"). David notMD (talk) 14:14, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

How does a retired Navy flag officer and Corporate Executive get a biographical sketch in Wikipedia? 174.69.4.174 (talk) 11:51, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Well, if this person is notable (according to Wikipedia's slightly odd concept of notability) such that a number of reliable, disinterested, published sources write about him, then one or more of Wikipedia's editors who are unrelated to him may decide to use (but not plagiarize!) these sources to write a draft for an article. After some time, this is given a quick examination by an experienced editor, and if it's at least moderately good, it's upgraded from draft to article. Thereafter one hopes that editors unrelated to him will continue to update and improve the article. -- Hoary (talk) 12:53, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Per above Q&A, these are articles, not pages or biographical sketches. And if you are the flag officer in question, Wikipedia frowns on attempting autobiography. See

WP:AUTO. David notMD (talk

) 14:17, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi. Someone is just going around changing wiki pages against what sources say. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/24.202.231.107

I noticed it in a page I watched. Then I clicked and noticed the others. First, is this stalking? I clicked because I've seen a lot of people who do the same thing. Go on Arab scientists/history and change it to berber/greek/persian. Sometimes they do it once a week but this person did it multiple times a day so they should be warned, right? Can I post a warning on their page? Which level warning? Julia Domna Ba'al (talk) 05:26, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

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WP:AIV. You should generally start with a level 1 warning except for certain egrious types, thats something you have to get a feeling for. Victor Schmidt (talk

) 06:34, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks I will check out these links. I added level 2 warning since it's definitely intentional. Julia Domna Ba'al (talk) 06:58, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

@Victor Schmidt:Someone is hopping IP addresses making weird edits. I put one warning on one IP and they just jumped to another. What is the process here?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/109.125.155.190

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/109.125.154.164

Also, I did more than 3 reverts, is that ok? There's nothing to discuss really, that person is just trolling so we can't go to the talk page.

Julia Domna Ba'al (talk) 19:35, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Greetings. I'm very interested in Paleo-Siberian languages, and long story short, stumbled upon two languages who have articles about them in Russian, but not English. Quite frankly, the English-Speaking world doesn't seem to even know they exist. I would like to create an English translation, but I am unsure whether or not they qualify as being 'notable' enough. On one hand, they do have a small article written about them in Russian, on the other side, there are hardly - if any - English sources for them. Even the Russian page cites only two (out of the required three) sources. Would a new article for them in English be acceptable? Link to said pages: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B3%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA

 Q Maxi p (talk) 17:04, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

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WP:Linguistics for additional opinions. Just my two cents, hopefully a formal host can weigh in. :) Umimmak (talk

) 22:06, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi Can someone review my article as I am waiting for it to be published.....the page name is Kevin McAteer Redfield86 (talk) 15:46, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Kevin McAteer was resubmitted after edits, which came after the initial Declined. It is in the pile (not a queue) of drafts awaiting review. Teahouse volunteers answer questions about how to edit Wikipedia, but are not here because they are Reviewers. While waiting, there are many factual statements in the draft that are tagged "Citation needed." Finding refs or else removing the unreferenced content will improve the odds of the draft being approved. David notMD (talk) 15:56, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Writing "The issue was national news as well as making headlines in America", without any citation, is odd. If it really made news in some nation (Ireland? UK?) and America, you ought to be able to find a source. Maproom (talk) 23:14, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Regarding

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Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/France and French-related articles. Good luck! GoingBatty (talk

) 23:18, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:File Upload Wizard. GoingBatty (talk

) 16:05, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

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talk

) 16:15, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

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Wikipedia talk:File Upload Wizard. GoingBatty (talk

) 16:24, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello,

Donating copyright materials. I also need to ask, since he has given you the picture, what is your connection with him? Please have a look at conflict of interest and see if any of it applies. I've just seen your paragraph above. Nowadays, "copyrighting" is not something anybody has to do: it is automatic. If he took the picture, he holds the copyright. If somebody did, they probably hold the copyright, unless there was an agreement specifying otherwise. --ColinFine (talk

) 16:21, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Rvrx, When you say this is not a "formally copyrighted photo", I assume you mean that no one has taken the step of registering with the copyright office. However, that step is not necessary, and simply snapping the shutter creates a copyright. (I'm speaking a little casually, because the copyright doesn't actually exist until the photo is published, but my point is that a formal registration step is not necessary.) If the copyright holder, the person that snapped the picture, uses the upload wizard they can state that they are the copyright holder and release it. If someone else, i.e. you, want to upload the photo, then you are going to need to get written evidence of the license. More information can be found at: Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials. sorry it's complicated but that's the nature of copyright law. S Philbrick(Talk)

16:23, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

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Rvrx: the moment a work is "recorded in a tangible form" it is protected by copyright under US law, even if it is never published. The US courts have held that a computer file counts for this, as does a piece of photographic film. (laws elsewhere are similar, I understand.) So in fact, simply snapping the shutter does in fact create a fully legal copyright, and neither publication not registration are required. There really is no such thing as "formal copyright" since the 1976 copyright act came into effect. Oh registration does grant significant added protections and remedies to the copyright holder. So Sphilbrick is totally correct on the requireed steps, written evidence of a compatible license from the copyright holder, who will be the person who took the picture unless that person later sold or gave the copyright to someone else, or was acting under a contract when the picture was taken which granted the copyright on creation to another owner (as many commercial photographers do). DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs}

16:41, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

DESiegel, Thanks for the clarification. I know there have been some issues about exactly when something is published and I wanted to avoid confusion. I confess to being a bit puzzled, because I thought there were cases where a photograph in someone's personal possession did not count as publishing, but that's a detail beyond the scope of this discussion. S Philbrick(Talk) 17:11, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Sphilbrick You are correct that when something is "published" for purposes of copyright law can be tricky in edge cases. It matters because the copyright terms in some cases are different for published and unpublished works. That whole tangle is too much for this thread, but I will link to this well-known chart. But lack of publication does not, in general, mean lack of copyright since the 1976 act. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 17:41, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

DESiegel, Yes, thanks, I have a link to the page and the Hirtle Chart on my user page, but I probably need to look at them more often :) S Philbrick(Talk) 18:14, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

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talk

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WP:DONATEIMAGE. —[AlanM1 (talk

)]— 17:02, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Rvrx, it is also documented at Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials, which has already been linked twice before in this discussion. S Philbrick(Talk)

17:13, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi

free" licenses that either Commons or Wikipedia accept are ones where the copyright holder is basically agreeing to allow anyone anywhere in the world to download the file at anytime and use for any purpose (including commercial and derivative use); moreover, once the copyright releases a file under such a license, there's no going back and no real way for the Wikimedia Foundation to stop others from reusing the file. Any disputes over of violations of the terms of the license are pretty much going to have to be resolved between the copyright holder and the other involved party. -- Marchjuly (talk

) 23:35, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Delete all Palestine Info. There is NO SUCH PLACE. It is fake info about a place of make believe. There are NO such maps of Palestine. PALESTINE DOES NOT EXIST. Google has erased it. STOP feeding false information. NO Person has the right to invent a name of a property & claim it as their own as an authentic entit. Stop perpetuating the lie. There is NO such place on this Earth.Your page is FAKE. Close it down. 70.53.63.147 (talk) 23:45, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Reliable sources seem to disagree. GoingBatty (talk

) 23:49, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

The conflict in the Middle East will not be solved here on Wikipedia. Wikipedia simply summarizes what independent

reliable sources state. You are free to view things as you wish. 331dot (talk

) 23:54, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Francis_E._Waive

Am new to this, thanks for the assistance so far, I've modified the article based on your advice. Francis E. Waive is my dad, I handle things like this for him. Here's his Facebook page - https://www.facebook.com/franciswaive His personal Facebook Account - https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1534405987 His official website - http://franciswaive.com

My personal Facebook account - https://www.facebook.com/frankwaive My personal Website - http://frankwaive.com

We're two different individuals, kindly review the edits and advice. 

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Frankwaive: Reading Help:Footnotes will help you with your future work on Wikipedia. GoingBatty (talk

) 00:07, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi, I've tried to put the photo on the page, but it appeared as an icon and was suddenly deleted. Could somebody help me with it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Deidonata (talk • contribs) 21:33, 18 July 2020 (UTC) Restoring question asked in the wrong place and then deleted by an IP editor. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 00:35, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello,

link to the page where you tried to insert an image. Please also tell us what image you were trying to add. Is it already on Wikipedia or even better on commons? If not, where is it? DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs}

00:40, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empress_Xiaozhaoren

Hi, I've tried to put the photo on the page, but it appeared as an icon and was suddenly deleted. Could somebody help me with it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Deidonata (talk • contribs) 21:33, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

It appears this question got duplicated somehow. See replies in the section further down the page. RudolfRed (talk) 01:15, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

I added a section (on Canada) to the article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_planner and my additional text included 9 footnotes. However, there were existing footnotes before and after, so my first question is how these should be numbered. Should I adjust footnote numbers throughout the entire article?

If so, this creates an issue because there is a "References" legend of all the footnotes at the bottom of the article, so I would have to edit that as well. Furthermore, some footnotes say "Retrieved [date]" and I don't know what that means or how it is different from the other Reference links shown at the bottom of the page.

Any help would be appreciated. Tom Tom Bene (talk) 00:54, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

@Tom Bene: Welcome to Wikipedia and thanks for adding references. Wikipedia software automatically numbers the references, so you don't need to change anything in that regard. RudolfRed (talk) 01:03, 19 July 2020 (UTC) Thanks, Rudolf - they only number automatically if you create them properly (which I didn't!) They're working perfectly now since I used the Cite option in the top editing menu bar. Tom Bene (talk) 03:43, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

@Tom Bene: Welcome to the Teahouse. Please read Help:Footnotes for the correct way to format the references. GoingBatty (talk) 01:42, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello,

Referencing for beginners for the details. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it

01:54, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

My understanding is, when it comes to UK vs US spelling, the rule is: Use British spellings for British subjects, use American spelling for American subjects, use the spelling that the original author started with if it's neither American nor British. I could be wrong about the rule, which may have been updated since 2015, which is the date I found on this. Please correct me if I'm wrong. (I'm not an experienced user and don't know how to properly search for these things.) I'm looking at the entry for 'curtsy'. It looks to me like the original was done in UK spelling (curtsey) and but in 2018, a user went in and changed the whole thing to US spelling (curtsy). I believe the user used NGRAMs to justify the change, but if the rule I mentioned above is correct, this shouldn't have been done. Curtsey is still the dominant spelling outside the US, plus in Wicktionary, curtsy is listed as an alternative spelling and directs to curtsey for its meaning. I believe the article should be changed back, but I don't want to be rude, step on anyone's toes, or start some kind of war by doing it, especially if the rule has been updated. Can someone please give me guidance? Jules Lolonois (talk) 03:51, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

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Curtsey has been redirected to Curtsy, it is likely that there is consensus to use the Curtsy spelling. RudolfRed (talk

) 04:06, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Forgot to mention, see

WP:ENGVAR. RudolfRed (talk

) 04:19, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

@RudolfRed: Thanks for the response! Also the helpful link, which I've bookmarked. I can't find any discussion, consensus, or any real explanation as to why the change was desirable. It was flagged as a minor edit, but swapping out spelling conventions is not a minor edit, it's changing the language! The page is 15 years old, and less that two years of that was with US spelling. There was no compelling reason to swap it out, and the change contravenes Wikipedia rules. I'll flag it on the talk page for feedback as to why it shouldn't be changed back.

Regarding Draft: Mark Gillespie article, a reviewer denied my original submission on July 4th because he was under the impression the article was written about a music producer. The article and its sources were about a music manager. The reviewer also changed the title to "Mark Gillespie (Music Producer)". Although the reviewer admitted on July 18th to the error in classifying my article as a Music Producer User_talk:Robert_McClenon#Management_Move, the article remains under the erroneous label. This surely will help in getting the draft denied again after resubmission.

I want to learn to be a better editor and contributor, but I need help understanding the methods and steps that have led to the reviewer using "music producer" since that classification is never mentioned once in the data or cited publications I provided.

How are reviewers allowed to do this? How do I remove his label "music producer" from my draft? Bouncecouncil (talk) 04:29, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

You simply retitle ("move") the draft. I've done this for you. Welcome to Draft:Mark Gillespie (music manager). You'll have to work on it, though. I rarely review drafts, and I'm not going to review this one -- but if I did review it and got as far as "Birmingham’s legendary superclub Godskitchen" I'd dismiss it as mere promotionalism. (Was it super? Which legends are there about it? Let the readers click the link and see for themselves.) -- Hoary (talk) 04:40, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

pls suggest corrections and helpme getting this posted on wiki , this is my first post already three times rejected Support required from existing expert users

G B pant institute of technology is a Govt Engineering Institute located in Okhla, New Delhi.[1] Formerly it was known as G B Pant Polytechnic. Presently reffered as G B Pant or GBPIT

"G B Pant Institute of Technology". GBPIT. G. B. PANT INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY, OKHLA, NEW DELHI.
"Directorate of Training and Technical Education". DTTE. Directorate of Training and Technical Education.
"Board of Technical Education". BTE. Board of Technical Education.
"Union Home Minister 1955~1961". Ministry of home affairs.
"Principal". GBPIT. GBPIT.
"Training & Placement cell". GBPIT. GBPIT.
"List of courses and colleges". eduresult.
"G. B. PANT INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY AUTOMOTIVE MECHATRONIC RESEARCH CENTRE". AMRC. GBIT.
"MOU for ADAM". Business World. Business World.
"Fund for Campus development". hindustan times. hindustan times.

 Monurawal17 (talk) 15:44, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

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significant coverage". You should first find the independent reliable sources and then write the draft by summarizing the sources. GoingBatty (talk

) 16:08, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello,

WP:CSMN. Only the last two of those sources are independent of GBPIT, and those two only have a few lines about it. Wikipedia basically is not interested in anything said or published about themselves by the subject of an article, or by people or organisations closely associated with them: it is only interested in what people wholly unconnected with the subject have chosen to publish, unprompted by direct information from the subject. As I say, only the last two are independent in that way, but between them they give only two or three pieces of information about the institute: not enough to base an article on. Unless you can find several sources with the characteristics required, you will be wasting any further time you put into this draft, as it will never be accepted. --ColinFine (talk

) 16:09, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

thanks ColinFine, i understood ,as you explained very clearly . the only query i had i took examples of already approved wiki posts , i though i have more sources than those

GBPIT and pusa institute of technology delhi both are govt college under same board ^[1] G B Pant engineering college also same conditions as GBPIT and G B Pant both are in same campus^[2] pls suggest a way how should i proceed to get it post with approval

 182.57.170.168 (talk) 08:17, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Do you have a question? Or comment? If about a specific article, what is the name of the article? You made one change to Deccan Chronicle about ownership, but it was reverted because you removed content that had a reference and replaced it with content without a reference. Verification required. David notMD (talk) 09:18, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Deccan Chargers#Franchise termination mentions BCCI and DCHL, but I couldn’t find anything about the 48 billion. You’ll need to be more specific. Pelagic ( messages ) Z – (20:53 Sun 19, AEST) 10:53, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

On the

Hi, I am trying to add several tags to my talk page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Earthianyogi. I took it from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_count. I am not sure it correctly shows the counts. Am I doing something wrong? Thanks Earthianyogi (talk) 10:36, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

@Earthianyogi: If you're referring to userboxes like Template:User contrib CentralAuth simple, it's because you didn't add some of the parameters required for it to show up. For example, {{User contrib CentralAuth simple|Earthianyogi|42|Wikipedia}} gives:

42+	This user has made over 42 contributions to Wikipedia.

It is a good idea to look at the documentation of each template to find out what additional parameters you need to enter in order for it to show up correctly. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 14:59, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

@Ganbaruby:, If I have to pass the parameter, then that means that it is not dynamically/automatically updated? Earthianyogi (talk) 15:04, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

@Earthianyogi: That's correct. Some users just stick a milestone (eg. 10,000 edits) in the userbox, while the link takes them to a page that shows the real-time count. From your question above, I think you might want to enable XTools under Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets, which shows a link that gives you more statistics about a user or page. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 15:12, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Is it possible to set a cap/criteria and allow only those editors to review articles on Wikipedia who have sucessfully published at least 100 articles on Wikipedia? Is it reasonable? Any ideas? Thanks Earthianyogi (talk) 08:35, 20 July 2020 (UTC) Earthianyogi (talk) 08:35, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Some thoughts on that -

1. I believe that there's already some restriction on who is accepted as a reviewer.
2. There's already a shortage of reviewers – it's an unpleasant and thankless task.
3. 100 articles created is a very high target.
4. How do you assess who "published" an article? Suppose editor A decides to create an article, but finds it difficult and soon gives up; editor B works on the abandoned draft and greatly improves it; and editor C adds one more reference and moves it to mainspace. Who gets the credit? Maproom (talk) 08:46, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

@Earthianyogi: There’s already a user right kind of like what you’re describing at Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Reviewers. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 09:34, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Maproom Hello, Good ideas.

1. I did not know that. A quick search revealed this: found https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Peer_review/volunteers; Maybe there is a more appropriate article on it.
2. How many reviewers are currently reviewing articles? Can the edit page history of authors be modified to show contributions of reviewers? I understand the pain; I am a peer reviewer for many international scientific journals. Maybe, we are all contributing to Wiki by creating/editing/patrolling pages for a greater good.
3. Is it? Maybe 60?

I'd have thought that 5 would be plenty. But I see from the next item that you would count multiple contributors to each new article. Maproom (talk) 15:29, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

1. All of them. However, please note that we are all contributing to make Wikipedia a better place. However, I was thinking about a stats page for each Wiki article mentioning all contributors ID, but isn't that what history page shows anyways?
2. I also thought that maybe each submitted article should have a mandatory field (filled in by the authors) asking for the specific category in which they are presenting the articles so the reviewers can read this category and understand the author's point of view?
3. When reviewers reject an article, it should be mandatory for reviewers to provide precise feedback, rather than vague comments.

We'll lose some reviewers that way, and force the others to work more slowly, making the backlog much worse. I see the backlog as the biggest problem with the current system. Maproom (talk) 15:29, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Earthianyogi (talk) 09:51, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

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articles for creation process as well. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!

) 10:40, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

@Earthianyogi: I'm not sure if you are talking about "peer reviews" of existing articles or the process of reviewing article drafts. These are two different processes. The peer review does not reject articles (unless it is a Good Article or Feature Article review, which can result in an article not achieving that status, but that's not really a "rejection".) --bonadea contributions talk 11:15, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

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WP:NPP is the review of articles (not drafts) which have recently been created. --David Biddulph (talk

) 13:56, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Ganbaruby Hello, I have not deleted anyone's response on any talk page. Why do you say so (unless it happened unknowingly by mistake)? Earthianyogi (talk) 10:44, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Ganbaruby Hello, I am aware of the article creation page. Why do you mention it to me? Sorry, I am confused as I never asked any questions about it? Earthianyogi (talk) 10:47, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

@Earthianyogi: You unintentionally deleted my initial response; don’t worry too much about it. The couple of big review processes are the AFC or New Page Patrol when the article is created and the reviews to make an article a Good Article or Featured Article. Between these two stages, aside from various anti-vandalism patrols, we just let an article grow organically. At which stage of an article’s “lifespan” are you proposing an review? ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 11:38, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

WP:PROF) and got rejected for notability. Please have a look at this article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Sanjukta_Deb and let me know your suggestions. Thanks again. Earthianyogi (talk

) 12:37, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

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WP:NACADEMIC notes that notability is "substantiated through reliable sources". In your draft, the sources are largely self-published by Deb, or written by the university Deb works at. You'll need multiple independent sources in your article before you submit it for review again. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!

) 15:08, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

WP:NACADEMIC

, which would rest on whether a H-index of 26 is enough to satisfy criterion 1 in this particular field, or whether president of the UK Society of Biomaterials satisfies criterion 6. I'm not sure myself - maybe it does, but it's not an obvious pass to me.

To answer the OP's question - AfC reviewers aren't infallible and the requirements to become one (500 edits and 6 months of editing) could perhaps be tightened a bit, but that's a double-edged sword because there are hardly enough AfC reviewers as it is. Currently there are over 2700 drafts waiting to be reviewed and users may have to wait up to 7 weeks for a review. Spicy (talk) 15:30, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

WP:NACADEMIC

suggests: "Academics meeting any one of the following conditions, as substantiated through reliable sources, are notable." She ticks most of these conditions.

1. The person's research has had a significant impact in their scholarly discipline, broadly construed, as demonstrated by independent reliable sources. --She has 7 patents, published more than 162 scientific documents with 2487 citations, and an h-index of 26

2. The person has been an elected member of a highly selective and prestigious scholarly society or association (e.g., a National Academy of Sciences or the Royal Society) or a fellow of a major scholarly society which reserves fellow status as a highly selective honor (e.g., Fellow of the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers). --Fellow of Academy of Dental Materials (FADM). --Chair: Royal Society of Chemistry: Biomaterials Chemistry interest group.

3. The person's academic work has made a significant impact in the area of higher education, affecting a substantial number of academic institutions. --She has published more than 162 scientific documents with 2487 citations, and an h-index of 26

4. The person has held a named chair appointment or distinguished professor appointment at a major institution of higher education and research, or an equivalent position in countries where named chairs are uncommon. --She is a Professor.

5. The person has held a highest-level elected or appointed administrative post at a major academic institution or major academic society. --Ex-president: UK Society of Biomaterials. --Secretary: UK Society for Biomaterials.

6. The person has been the head or chief editor of a major, well-established academic journal in their subject area. --She is an editor to various scientific national and international journals, for example, Journal of Biomaterials Application (Associate editor), Journal of Tissue Science & Engineering (Associate editor), and Journal of the American Ceramic Society (Guest editor).

Earthianyogi (talk) 15:30, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

@Earthianyogi: Hmm, this is not something I usually write about so I'm not the best person to decide. Maybe post a question about it at Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk? Also, could someone else provide some input? ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 16:07, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

How do you create a template? For instance, a sports table template, in which you don't need to edit the sports league table after every match. Josedimaria237 (talk) 13:57, 20 July 2020 (UTC) Josedimaria237 (talk) 13:57, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

@Josedimaria237: I'm not sure if this is what you're asking about, but 2019–20 Premier League seems to use a template at Template:2019–20 Premier League table. How that template works I have no idea. I would copy the template's contents into your sandbox and tinker around with it until you get something you want. Also, it's worth asking at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football if you get stuck. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 16:15, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) Ok I'll ask them there Josedimaria237 (talk) 16:35, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Citation to Wikipedia Page

Dear Moderators, I am writing you on the occasion of my recent contribution to the wikipedia page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trigonometric_Rosen%E2%80%93Morse_potential

There, an innovative derivation of a formula of ref.

Blinder, S. M. (1996). "Canonical partition function for the hydrogen atom in curved space". J. Math. Chem. 19: 43. doi:10.1007/BF01165129

has been included explaining the formula in a more transparent way and in a greater detail. Now I have to include same calculation into a scientific article therefore I would like to ask the question if giving a citation to the page under discussion of the type. (...., SUBMITTED BY ONE OF US, D.E.A.C.) would be in accord with your policy. More precisely I would like to know whether revealing ones own name as a contributor to wikipedia in a scientific publication is permitted.

Thank you in advance! Sculkaputz (talk) 10:16, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello,

edit request on the article's talk page; then an uninvolved editor will look at your suggestion and decide what action is appropriate. --ColinFine (talk

) 14:44, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply ColinFine. My situation is quite the opposite, I have extended the wikipedia entry with new, unpublished work that now I would like include in a publication. Is it fine to cite the wikipedia source and mentioned myself as a contributor for this entry? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sculkaputz (talk • contribs) 17:06, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Oh, right, I see. Normally, that's fine: you released the material under

CC-BY-SA when you hit "publish", so anybody in the world can reuse the text for any purpose, as long as they attribute it: of course that includes you. There's no problem saying that you wrote part of it - but bear in mind that 1) by the time somebody goes and looks at the article it might have been substantially changed by somebody else; and 2) not everybody sees contributing to Wikipedia as a good thing, especially for a scholar. See reusing Wikipedia content

for more.

But I have a concern about this case, in fact about your contribution: it looks as if it may be

original research, which is not allowed on Wikipedia. If what you have added is a summary of the Blinder paper, that's fine; but if it goes beyond what the source says, then you should not be publishing it in Wikipedia. --ColinFine (talk

) 18:26, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Forgot to ping Sculkaputz. --ColinFine (talk) 18:27, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi there! I translated my Dutch language article and posted it as my first article on the English Wikipedia: Lina Coen. On the talk page I posted a few questions. I have a newspaper clipping from the New York Review in 1917 but I have no clear reference to this magazine. On wikipedia it refers to the New York Review of Books but that did not exist in 1917. Is there a URL to this magazine? And a related question: Is it true what the article states? Was Lina Coen the first woman to conduct a Grand Opera in the United States (or in New York, as the New York Times stated)? How can that fact be checked? Any guidance appreciated

}} Ruud Buitelaar (talk) 17:49, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Ruud Buitelaar, and welcome to the Teahouse.

First, the source: sources do not have to be available online, as long as they are reliably published, and you can provide suitable bibilographic information so that a reader can in principle find the source, eg at a major library. When you say you have a clipping, does it include the date? Can you find the New York Review in a directory of journals somewhere? If so, you can cite it.

Secondly the information. There is a great difference between the claim "Lina Coen conducted Carmen in New York in 1917", and "Lina Coen was the first woman to conduct an opera in New York". The first can be verified by any report of it having happened. The second is probably impossible to verfy in 2020: the best we can do is if a reliable source from 1917 makes the claim, then we can report that. We would be less willing to take such a claim if it were found in her own promotional literature. If the NYT says that she was the first woman to conduct an opera in New York, then we can take that as a reliable source, and say that - I would suggest wording it as "according to the NYT, she was the first woman to conduct an opera in New York". But only say "in the United States" if you can cite a reliable source, independent of her, that makes this claim. --ColinFine (talk) 18:46, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello guys, I want to know if I could create a page for "Forest Therapy," there's a redirect that leads to "Nature Therapy," but I want to particularly create a page for Forest Therapy.

Let me know how can I make this work. Doggoland (talk) 18:40, 20 July 2020 (UTC) Doggoland (talk) 18:40, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Doggoland, and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia. I suggest that, for the moment, you forget that there is currently a redirect, and treat this as creating a new article, via the Articles for creation process: when you submit it for review, and a reviewer accepts it, they will sort out where to put it and what to do about the existing redirect.

Having said that, creating a new article (which is what you want to do, however you do it) is one of the most difficult tasks there is for a Wikipedia editor, and I always advise new editors to spend a few weeks or months learning how Wikipedia works, and improving existing articles, before they try it. One thing that makes it difficult is that Wikipedia is not interested in what you know (or what I know, or what any random person on the Internet knows): it is only interested in what has already been published in reliable places; so if you know a lot about the subject, you will need to find those sources, and then forget what you know and write a summary of what the sources say.

When you want to proceed with this project, start by reading

your first article. If you want to take my advice and do some other work first, the WP:Community portal is a good place to start. --ColinFine (talk

) 18:54, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

How do you change the picture that comes up when you hover over a link to an artical? I wanted to add the logo for news station KUSA when you hover over a link to thier artical, and replace the picture on Arapahoe County's wikipedia page. JackForWiki06 (talk) 02:49, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

It’s either the first image or the one in the infobox (usually the same thing, hence I'm not sure of the exact logic) of the target article's page that's used. KUSA (TV) does have a logo on the page, so if you’re not seeing the image I’m not sure what’s going on. (I’m on a tablet, so can’t check right now.) Pelagic ( messages ) Z – (22:39 Sun 19, AEST) 12:39, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Note that no image shows in the search drop-down either (nor in the VE link picker). Could it be something to do with the KUSA logo being an SVG file?

For the county, you would edit the line ex image = Little Dry Creek.JPG, but be sure your change is consistent with accepted practice for that class of article.

– Pelagic ( messages ) Z – (22:54 Sun 19, AEST) 12:54, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Oops, pinging @JackForWiki06. – Pelagic ( messages ) Z – (22:55 Sun 19, AEST) 12:55, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Okay, it's a little more complicated than what I thought. For Wikipedias, the PageImages extension looks at the first four images in the lead section, according to mw:Extension:PageImages#Image choice.

I found some bug reports about PageImages and SVGs, but they seem to have been resolved as fixed long ago. The only other thing I can think of is that the logo is quite wide in relation to its height, and that might exclude it.

If we move the square-ish logo from History section to the lead (alongside the infobox), it would make the article look bad. If we swap their positions, we’d be leading with the lower quality image just to suit PageImages.

@Whatamidoing (WMF) is this within your purview?

— Pelagic ( messages ) Z – (00:13 Mon 20, AEST) 14:13, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

JackForWiki06 et al.: I do something on my user page to force the image that appears when hovering over a link to it with NavPops, which might be different than the default page previewing tool that the OP is probably using, but I'll mention it anyway.

At the top of the page, I have: <span style="display:none;">[[File:SomeFileName.jpeg|1px|...]]</span>. The image doesn't display there because of the display:none style, but NavPops ignores the styling and chooses it for display in the preview. I can't tell if it works for the normal preview gadget, since it doesn't seem to preview user pages. Note that it may be necessary to remove the |1px or change the 1 to something normal like 200 to get the preview to choose it. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 21:17, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Pelagic, I've never worked on that project, but there are all sorts of restrictions. In particular, I wonder whether the exclusion of fair use images (at the request of this community) might have been coded as excluding any image that has been uploaded locally. In that case, if the tag on that logo about it not being copyrightable is correct, then transwiki'ing it to Commons would solve the problem. But there may be other factors that are more important, such as an undesirable width/height ratio. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 19:14, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Dear fellow editors, I want to use 3-4 topicons in my user page...... I have visited the Help page but am very much confused.... Can you please give me the code to put flag of India and Wikignome together as topicons... Thanks in advance.... Anupam Dutta (talk) 17:52, 20 July 2020 (UTC) Anupam Dutta (talk) 17:52, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Anupamdutta73, Please visit Template:Top icon to see how to use multiplte topicons and for a complete list of available topicons in English Wikipedia ~ Amkgp 💬 19:20, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Greetings! I have begun to create my user page, but would like to add user box icons/links for some of my attributes or interests, such as being a fan of / builder with LEGO. Is there a list of user boxes anywhere? Thank you. Stay safe & Play Well. Paul Sinasohn (talk) 20:47, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello Paul Sinasohn. Please take a look at Wikipedia:Userboxes/Galleries. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 20:55, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you Cullen³²⁸ That is exactly what I was looking for.Paul Sinasohn (talk) 21:06, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Currently, United States v. Stone redirects to the Criminal investigation section of Hutaree. That section includes information about an Eastern District of MI court case, United States v. Stone et al.

Another United States v. Stone case has been noteworthy during the last few years, a District of DC court case involving Roger Stone that arose out of the Special Counsel investigation. There is no page for this case either, but there's considerable information about it in a section of Roger Stone's page: [6]. I also did a search for United States v. Stone and see that there's a very old Supreme Court case by that name; it doesn't have an article, but is briefly mentioned in a couple of articles.

My sense is that United States v. Stone should be a disambiguation page rather than redirecting to a section of Hutaree and adding a hatnote to that Hutaree section re: the case involving Roger Stone. Both legal cases are US District Court cases, both are addressed in sections of articles, and I don't know that one is more noteworthy than the other. But I'm a new-ish editor and would appreciate a second opinion. Also, because US v Stone automatically redirects, I don't know how to access the US v Stone page in order to edit it, so as to make it a disambiguation page (or perhaps I've misunderstood how redirects work, and the disambiguation page is created in some other way, for example, as a new page titled "United States v. Stone (disambiguation)"). If someone can clarify what should occur (assuming that others agree the primary page should be a disambiguation page), I'd appreciate it. Thanks. -- FactOrOpinion (talk) 16:14, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello again FactOrOpinion

Changing a redirect to a disambiguation page is technically simple. A redicect simply consists of content similar to:

#REDIRECT [[Article Nam]]

To convert this to a DAB (disambiguation) page one simply edites, removes the redirect code, and inserts the DAB code, which is normally a bulleted list of links, with a short (one phrase or sentence in most cases) description of the article linked to.

However, it is not usual to create a DAB page until there are at least two articles (not just sections of articles) with similar names, or to which the same name could apply (for an example DAB page, see

Thanks for your help again, DESiegel. I also figured out that if I click on the "(Redirected from United States v. Stone)" text at the top of the Hutaree page, it takes me to a version of United States v. Stone that doesn't redirect and so makes it possible for me to edit that page and change it from a redirect to disambiguation. -- FactOrOpinion (talk) 17:14, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Yes that is quite correct, FactOrOpinion. Oh I should have mentioned above, a hatnote is not no9rmally used when only a section of an article is the target. If there were two full articles about two different cases US vs Stone, then hatnotes might well be used. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 18:58, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

DESiegel - I ended up posting a note at WikiProject Law and one person said it makes sense to disambiguate, so I went ahead and made the change. I found a section of the MOS for disambiguating sections of articles and hopefully have done it correctly, and I left a note at WikiProject Law, asking someone to check that I also got the legal formatting correct. Thanks again. -- FactOrOpinion (talk) 21:35, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

 Booklover1990 (talk) 18:37, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

What exactly is your question,

articles for creation

project.

If that does not answer your question, please explain your question in more detail. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 19:09, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

@Booklover1990: Appears you want to create an article about a work of fiction titled BC TO AD. DESiegel outlined the necessities. David notMD (talk) 19:56, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

And now, Draft:BC to AD declined twice, then rejected. The latter means that the reviewer saw no potential for this to become an article. I agree. It is a recently published (2018) and obscure book which has not yet been written about at length. David notMD (talk) 21:38, 20 July 2020 (UTC)