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THE FAKE Grand Mufti of India

The Official Organizations of Barelvi Muslims haven’t selected anyone to the post of Grand Mufti of India where as they have denied the selection of one Mr.Kanthapuram A.P.Abubacker Musliyar who is not a Hanafi follower at all. Kanjikkuzhi (talk) 19:56, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Prominent news papers in the country The hindu and The times of india published news on Kanthapuram AP Aboobacker Musliyar is selected as the Grand Mufti of India. Links are added in the essay. but the User:Kanjikkuzhi distort this essy withoust any clear links, and he is making this false claims. that unauthentic detaials are removed — Preceding unsigned comment added by Luqmankvk (talk • contribs) 11:54, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
From the references given in the article, it is very clear that the existing Grand Mufti and the Deputy Grand Mufti were appointed by the Prominent Islamic organizations mentioned in the article. They don't even know a new Grand Mufti has been elected to the post. It's totally fake and sponsored drama by one south Indian Sunni Rebel leader Kanthapuram A.P. Abubacker Musliyar and his followers. If you are checking his history, you can see that he made these type of fake appointments for himself to make the people confused.
Also Grand Mufti of India was selected by the Prominent Group of Muslim Organizations who follows Hanafi ideologies where as this south Indian leader follows Shafi ideologies completely. Kanjikkuzhi (talk) 10:56, 4 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
In Wikipedia source, it should be reliable and authentic sources to be added the information. The predominant Sunni scholars of the country selected kanthapuram AP Aboobacker Musliyar to the position of New Grand Mufti, according to the Times of India, the most circulated and authentic newspaper in the country, report. So, without showing any evidence, writing one person's own calculation and false information is against the procedures of Wikipedia. that is removed here, and bring out the authentic information . School of thoughts diffrence in islamic jurispidence is not an issue to appoint someone to the position of Grand Mufti. Kanthapuram AP Aboobacker Musliyar had aquired all the knowledge in four school of thoghts , also got permission to give Fatwas in Four Madhabs from the time of his completion of Studies in Islamic theology.
Luqmankvk (talk) 4 March 2019 (UTC)
I have added all the details with very authentic references not a sponsored news given by the fake Mufti and the so called prominent Muslim organizations who are authorized to select the Grand Mufti don't know about his selection. Kanjikkuzhi (talk) 10:56, 4 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The Hindu and The Times of India are believed the most credible newspapers in India. The institutions you mentioned have not any authority to appoint the Grand Mufti. You should prove it. It was reported in Malayalam paper which was started to tarnish AP Aboobacker musliyar and that is not at all a source.
But Dozens of English, Urdu, Arabic prominent independent Newspapers reported that prominent scholars in India Appointed Kanthapuram AP Aboobacker as the Grand Mufti of India. Luqmankvk (talk) 4 March 2019 (UTC)
Don't try to fool yourself. Please check all the previous Grand Mufti's of India and check who selected those Grand Muftis.
You also agree with the statement that previous Grand Mufti's are the same what I have mentioned, but even though the authority who selected the current Deputy Grand Mufti and himself don't know this selection and paid news or sponsored drama will not be a proof for appointing a Grand Mufti. Grand Mufti will be appointed soon by the authorities whoever selected the previous Muftis and this fake Mufti's mask will be uncovered. Kanjikkuzhi (talk) 4 March 2019 (UTC)
Also the news came in a news paper can't be considered as a solid evidence at all. Especially paid medias are common in India at the moment. Kanjikkuzhi (talk) 4 March 2019 (UTC)
Could you please show me an official appointment letter from the authority showing Mr.Kanthapuram Aboobacker Musliyar has been appointed as the Grand Mufti of India. Kanjikkuzhi (talk) 4 March 2019 (UTC)
Dear Admins,
Kindly go through the Discussions and identify the facts about the topic "Grand Mufti of India" as a user is always playing with this page by killing the details. (Kanjikkuzhi (talk) 10:01, 5 March 2019 (UTC))[reply]

@

Kanthapuram A.P. Aboobacker Musliyar's election to the post has been widely reported by all mainstream media. Instead of edit warring, you need to bring reliable sources for your claims. And note that no one has to produce the appointment letter here. If the medias widely reported it, then the information is already verified. Malayala Sahityam (talk) 12:10, 5 March 2019 (UTC)[reply
]

As pid media is usual in India at the moment and argument is going on in this subject as the authorities who appointed the old Grand Mufti don't know about this appointment it is necessary to submit an appointment letter from them rather than submitting some paid news. (Kanjikkuzhi (talk) 12:59, 5 March 2019 (UTC))[reply]
We do not have any credible sources saying that his election to the position is contested. A statement from a user is not enough to doubt the sources. Please do not edit war in the page. What we seek is sources not your information on the matter. Malayala Sahityam (talk) 14:10, 5 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It’s very clear that you are editing some of my edits regarding the Deputy Grand Mufti of India with reliable sources to justify your edit is correct.
So, if you have any doubts or arguments with my edits kindly submit the proof here. We can discuss on the same.
(Kanjikkuzhi (talk) 15:09, 5 March 2019 (UTC))[reply]
The reference you provided in the page
Kanthapuram A.P. Aboobacker Musliyar
's election in newspaper and came here just to add that information when I noticed all this edit war and got myself involved.
For you to see the proofs, here they are:
https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/kerala/kanthapuram-grand-mufti-of-sunnis-in-india/article26379629.ece
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/kozhikode/kanthapuram-selected-grand-mufti-of-india/articleshow/68175547.cms
https://english.mathrubhumi.com/news/kerala/kanthapuram-elected-as-new-grand-mufti-religion-1.3599882
Now please stop edit warring in the page and please cite the sources for your claim. Malayala Sahityam (talk) 16:47, 5 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Malayala Sahithyam, please go through the article by Mr.Bahauddin Muhammed Nadvi, the Vice Chancellor of Darul Huda Islamic University on this subject which is published by a prominent newspaper “Suprabhatham” in Malayalam.

http://suprabhaatham.com/todays-article-grand-mufthi-01-03-2019/

The article clearly says the facts behind this Grand Mufti election and the history of Grand Muftis of India and also about the authorities who normally select this Grand Mufti.

They didn’t know about this new selection. There was also a media discussion on the same and I will submit you more evidences to prove Mr.Kanthapuram announced himself as the Grand Mufti of India.

(86.98.104.121 (talk) 04:21, 7 March 2019 (UTC))[reply]

How does a man, who is opposing kanthapuram ap aboobacker musliyar , ideologically for years, is an evidence in this issue. The man named Bahudheen, who wrote this essay is a member of the Foundation which was satrted by Yusuf Al Qardawi, A terrorist linked scholar, and a prominent Anti Sunni. this kind of self nerrated versions have come from the anti sunni mindset. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Luqmankvk (talk • contribs) 06:10, 7 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Mr.Bahauddin Muhammed Nadvi is not an anti Sunni, Please go through his biography: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bahauddeen_Muhammed_Nadwi
He is the Vice Chancellor of a well known Islamic University Darul Huda Islamic University from Kerala. http://www.dhiu.in/vc
He represents a very big group of Sunni Muslim Federation Samastha Kerala Jamiyyathul Ulama and he is the member of the Central Council Member of the same organization. :https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknFiJnKLwHCnL72vedxjQkDDP1mXWo6uco/wiki/Samastha_Kerala_Jamiyyathul_Ulama.html
(94.200.229.66 (talk) 06:24, 7 March 2019 (UTC))[reply]

Dear Admins, Please not the above comment from a user named Luqman KVK, who publicly insult a great Islamic Scholar Mr.Bahauddin Nadvi by saying he is having the terrorist link through this page. Admins Kindly take this as a serious issue. (94.200.229.66 (talk) 06:28, 7 March 2019 (UTC))[reply]

The organisation mr Ndwi represnts is described in wiki pedia is so "Given Yusuf al-Qaradawi's support for suicide attacks, the IUMS was listed as a terrorist organization by various Arab countries, including Egypt, Saudi Arabia, the United Arabic Emirates and Bahrein.[8][9][10] IUMS's leader Yusuf al-Qaradawi's, named "the theologian of terror" by Irish media, is also banned from entering multiple countries, including the US, UK and France, despite holding a Qatari diplomatic passport. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Union_of_Muslim_Scholars — Preceding unsigned comment added by Luqmankvk (talk • contribs) 06:34, 7 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The page of Mr Bahaudheen has filled 90 percent of his own websites that is not credible according to the wiki laws. So, its notability shoulb be questioned until it is filled with authentic public sourses. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Luqmankvk (talk • contribs) 06:44, 7 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The user luqmankvk says IUMS was listed in terrorist group but he don't have any evidence to justify his statement as Bahauddin Nadwi is the member of IUMS. He is insulting a great Sunni leader from Kerala without having any proper evidences. This is totally illeagal and should be considered as very very irrelevant. (94.200.229.66 (talk) 06:50, 7 March 2019 (UTC))[reply]

The above mentioned written texts from wiki pedia in the home page of IUMS is clear evidence, with proper links, what is the stance of IUMS related terrorism . So, a man who himself narrated the member of this organsation, also miight be part of the activities that organatios involved untill he is resigned — Preceding unsigned comment added by Luqmankvk (talk • contribs) 06:55, 7 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand what he is saying, he don't even don't know the difference between IUML and IUMS. Are you trying to insult the wiki editors?
Please go through the news links other than websites for admin's reference.
http://twocircles.net/2015jun29/1435586531.html - Dr Bahauddin Nadwi gets warm reception in Kuwait
https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/kerala/Sibaq-arts-festival-draws-crowds/article14017106.ece - "Darul Huda Chancellor Sayed Hyderali Shihab Thangal inaugurated the festival. Vice Chancellor Bahauddin Nadvi presided. "
https://www.thepeninsulaqatar.com/article/07/12/2017/Seminar-on-renovation-of-Islamic-education-in-S-Asia - (Dr Bahauddin Muhammad Nadwi, (pictured) Vice-Chancellor of Darul Huda Islamic University, will be the guest of honour. Dr Saeed Hudawi (Yobe University of Nigeria) and Anwer Ali Mavur (from DHIU, India) and Asfandair Ansari a leading scholar, will be presenters. )
(94.200.229.66 (talk) 07:06, 7 March 2019 (UTC))[reply]

What I wrote is the organisation International Union of Muslim Scholars is linked with islamic extremist activities, and Mr Bahaudheen is a member of it. That organization is not at all a Sunni oriented. So a man who is linked to anti sunni activities should have a dubious stance and all his arguments shoulde be viewed in such a perception too. The second one The organisation he represents in Kerala is worked like a part of Muslim League, a political oraganastaion and both the oragansations' one of the supreme leader is hyder ali thangal. Kanthapuram ap abobacker musliyar is not part of this political game in kerala, so hatever progress he brings out to the mulsims in coutry this nadvi comes to oppose it. Such a person involve this issues with lot of personal and ideological interets –(Luqmankvk)

Whatever written in Wikipedia is not written by Mr.Bahauddin Nadvi and he will not be responsible for the same. It’s very clear that he is the vice chancellor of a reputed and recognized Islamic University from Kerala and proofs say the same.
http://www.dhiu.in/vc
This is Not the place to insult someone personally without having a proper evidence by showing an incomplete Wikipedia page.
He is also the leader of majority of Sunni Muslims from Kerala, proofs say the same.
https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknFiJnKLwHCnL72vedxjQkDDP1mXWo6uco/wiki/Samastha_Kerala_Jamiyyathul_Ulama.html
This is not the place to play your cheap politics and vomit your information without any proper evidences. If he have noticed this, it will be a legal issue. (SHERIFFBLATHUR (talk) 03:58, 8 March 2019 (UTC))[reply]
Also, the sentence from the article “Politically linked Group lead by Mr.Bahauddin Nadvi” is totally wrong as it is totally a Sunni Muslim Organization as mentioned above. It doesn’t have any politics and it includes all the political viewers and workers.
https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/kerala/samastha-trains-its-guns-onyoung-sayeds-of-panakkad/article22288302.ece - says “The Samastha Kerala Jamiyyathul Ulama, the biggest body of Sunni Muslims in Kerala, has trained its guns on two young members of the Panakkad Sayed Shihab family for their readiness to attend the ninth Mujahid State conference beginning at Kooriyad near Tirurangadi on Thursday.” (SHERIFFBLATHUR (talk) 04:13, 8 March 2019 (UTC))[reply]

As per the above mentioned link from The Hindu Newspaper, it’s very clear that Mr.Bahauddin Nadvi is the leader of Biggest Sunni Muslim Organization from Kerala and the sentence “Politically linked oraganization” should be corrected by “Biggest Sunni Muslim Organization from Kerala” (Kanjikkuzhi (talk) 05:20, 8 March 2019 (UTC))[reply]

References

  1. ^ http://www.dailynews.lk/2019/04/08/local/182553/asjad-raza-appointed-leader-barelwi-muslims

Protected edit request on 10 March 2019

As per the news link from The Hindu Newspaper,

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/kerala/samastha-trains-its-guns-onyoung-sayeds-of-panakkad/article22288302.ece - says “The Samastha Kerala Jamiyyathul Ulama, the biggest body of Sunni Muslims in Kerala

it’s very clear that Mr.Bahauddin Nadvi is the leader of Biggest Sunni Muslim Organization from Kerala and the sentence “Politically linked oraganization” should be corrected by “Biggest Sunni Muslim Organization from Kerala” 94.200.229.66 (talk) 09:23, 10 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please establish a
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The sentence "Politically linked group from Kerala" should be replaced by "Biggest Sunni Muslim Organization from Kerala"

As per the news link from The Hindu Newspaper,

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/kerala/samastha-trains-its-guns-onyoung-sayeds-of-panakkad/article22288302.ece - says “The Samastha Kerala Jamiyyathul Ulama, the biggest body of Sunni Muslims in Kerala

it’s very clear that Mr.Bahauddin Nadvi is the leader of Biggest Sunni Muslim Organization from Kerala and the sentence “Politically linked oraganization” should be corrected by “Biggest Sunni Muslim Organization from Kerala”

(Kanjikkuzhi (talk) 05:57, 12 March 2019 (UTC))[reply]

May be the biggest one, but it's clear that so called samastha is politically linked organization. Islu cute (talk) 17:54, 2 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Don't tell something blankly without having any evidence. Please provide some proofs which reveals the political link of Samastha Kerala Jamiyyathul Ulama,
(Kanjikkuzhi (talk) 13:52, 7 April 2019 (UTC))[reply]

This Article Misleads the Wikipedia Users with a Fake Grand Mufti

From all news, articles and discussion what I understood is Mr.Kanthapuram’s Elevation as Grand Mufti is totally a Fake. He will be caught red handed soon. We can wait for that moment.

(86.98.104.121 (talk) 00:15, 13 March 2019 (UTC))[reply]

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References

  1. ^ http://www.dailynews.lk/2019/04/23/local/183570/extreme-ideologies-must-be-repelled-indian-grand-mufti
  2. ^ https://www.news18.com/news/india/ek-faction-calls-appointment-of-ap%E2%80%8B-factions-musliyar-as-grand-mufti-a-farce-says-will-elect-a-new-one-2058557.html
  3. ^ https://timesheadline.com/india/kanthapurams-mufti-title-bogus-samastha-33022.html
  4. ^ https://www.manoramaonline.com/news/latest-news/2019/04/29/samasta-against-kanthapuram.html
  5. ^ https://malayalam.news18.com/news/kerala/samastha-rule-out-kanthapuram-claim-in-indian-grand-mufthi-112503.html
  6. ^ https://malayalam.news18.com/videos/kerala/samastha-against-kanathapuram-on-indian-grand-mufthy-112693.html
  7. ^ https://www.mathrubhumi.com/news/kerala/samastha-against-kanthapuram-1.3760412
  8. ^ https://www.janmabhumidaily.com/news856153
  9. ^ https://www.manoramanews.com/news/breaking-news/2019/04/29/samsatha-against-kanthapuram.html
  10. ^ http://suprabhaatham.com/kanthapuram-grand-mufti-fake-barelwi-spm/

Mufti Asjad Raza Khan Elected As the Grand Mufti of India

Latest news has been released which says Mufti Asjad Raza Khan who is the son of Previous Grand Mufti Akhtar Raza Khan has been selected as the Grand Mufti of India. Source from Sri lankan national news paper:-
https://www.facebook.com/MuftiAsjadRazaKhanQadiri/photos/a.286399565416222/351886232200888/?type=3&theater
(94.200.229.66 (talk) 06:11, 7 April 2019 (UTC))[reply]

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Latest news has been released which says Mufti Asjad Raza Khan who is the son of Previous Grand Mufti Akhtar Raza Khan has been selected as the Grand Mufti of India. Source from Sri lankan national news paper:- thumb|Grand Mufti_Daily News Srilanka

(Kanjikkuzhi (talk) 06:34, 7 April 2019 (UTC))[reply]

Official Press release from Barelvi Shareef As Ajad Raza Khan has been appointed as the Grand Mufti of India. All other news are fake:
See the below press release for reference:-
thumb|Press release from Bareily
(Kanjikkuzhi (talk) 06:43, 7 April 2019 (UTC))[reply]

References

  1. ^ http://www.dailynews.lk/2019/04/08/local/182553/asjad-raza-appointed-leader-barelwi-muslims

Reliable sources

Please read about

our reliable sources policy. The Times of India, a large, established well-known newspaper, qualify as a reliable source; Facebook posts and personal pages like "timesheadline.com" do not. OhNoitsJamie Talk 13:26, 10 April 2019 (UTC)[reply
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Request for comment - Grand Mufti Controversy

Shafi‘i Muslims, as they both follow different versions of Islamic Jurisprudence, while others such as Dr. Bahaudeen Nadwi from his rival faction in Kerala refuse to accept him as Grand Mufti outright[3]
[4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] To summarise, it is inaccurate for this article to assert as fact that 1) Musliyar is the Grand Mufti and 2) Grand Mufti is a position appointed by All India Tanzeem Ulama E Islam - no citation provided for this, simply because an organisation appoints someone in this position does not mean they have a formal standing to do so e.g. Akhtar Raza Khan was not appointed by All India Tanzeem Ulama E Islam. 3) When a single organisation has appointed, it is incorrect to exaggerate this as plural "prominent Muslim organisations".

At the very least, this article should mention that Asjad Raza Khan has also been appointed, and not favour one individual over another. SunniObserver786 (talk) 23:02, 2 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This is not a valid
neutral nor brief. I have therefore deactivated it. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 11:08, 11 May 2019 (UTC)[reply
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I think it would be quite all right to mention this split in the article, it could at least be mentioned in the Kerala paragraph at the end. – Þjarkur (talk) 12:30, 11 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/kozhikode/kanthapuram-selected-grand-mufti-of-india/articleshow/68175547.cms
  2. ISSN 0971-751X
    . Retrieved 2019-05-02.
  3. ^ "Kerala's Warring Sunni Groups Now in Tussle Over Appointment of First South Indian as Grand Mufti of Muslims". 195News. 2019-03-07. Retrieved 2019-05-02.
  4. ^ https://www.news18.com/news/india/ek-faction-calls-appointment-of-ap%E2%80%8B-factions-musliyar-as-grand-mufti-a-farce-says-will-elect-a-new-one-2058557.html
  5. ^ https://timesheadline.com/india/kanthapurams-mufti-title-bogus-samastha-33022.html
  6. ^ https://www.manoramaonline.com/news/latest-news/2019/04/29/samasta-against-kanthapuram.html
  7. ^ https://malayalam.news18.com/news/kerala/samastha-rule-out-kanthapuram-claim-in-indian-grand-mufthi-112503.html
  8. ^ https://malayalam.news18.com/videos/kerala/samastha-against-kanathapuram-on-indian-grand-mufthy-112693.html
  9. ^ https://www.mathrubhumi.com/news/kerala/samastha-against-kanthapuram-1.3760412
  10. ^ https://www.janmabhumidaily.com/news856153
  11. ^ https://www.manoramanews.com/news/breaking-news/2019/04/29/samsatha-against-kanthapuram.html
  12. ^ http://suprabhaatham.com/kanthapuram-grand-mufti-fake-barelwi-spm/

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 May 2019

I request you to change:

  1. Change the field "incumbent"
    Sheikh Abubakr Ahmad
  2. And the field "native_name" مفتیٔ اعظم ہند

2405:204:D48B:3EFD:1A97:80B1:5E02:F1BB (talk) 04:02, 7 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Is he more commonly referred to as "Abubakr Ahmad" than "Kanthapuram A.P. Aboobacker Musliyar"? – Þjarkur (talk) 10:36, 7 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

We Request you to create a New Page for Shafii Grand Mufti Of India and Let this One be Hanafi Grand Mufti Of India RQ125 (talk) 01:12, 12 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done for now: You may request once more after creating the article
talk) 06:01, 20 May 2019 (UTC)[reply
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Non Hanafi Grand Mufti

This article is totally misleading one, Grand mufti along with akhtar Raza khan is Sayyed Madni miya , now Akhtar Raza Khan place is taken by his Son, Asjad Raza Khan There are two Grand Mufti Of India In Hanafi 1) Syed Muhammad Madni Ashrafi 2) Asjad Raza Khan Qadri RQ125 (talk) 01:10, 12 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

There is an RfC about it at Talk:Kanthapuram_A._P._Aboobacker_Musliyar#Request_for_comment_-_Grand_Mufti_Controversy. El_C 01:16, 12 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Grand Mufti of India: Asjad Raza Khan

It's very clear that Mr.Asjad Raza Khan is the real Grand Mufti of India and all other news and messages are fake and created by a group of people who even don't have the majority in their region itself. The Daily News, Srilanka's National news paper says Mr.Asjad Raza Khan is the grand Mufti of India. http://www.dailynews.lk/2019/04/23/local/183570/extreme-ideologies-must-be-repelled-indian-grand-mufti?fbclid=IwAR14RruVqEQO0CjPdlCVeBrbi5p1CB6Qg1gLdAeSs2f6Lmi-VGaWf3fthaA

Also, the Daily Mirror also says the Grand Mufti of India is Asjad Raza Khan:

http://epaper.dailymirror.lk/epaper/iphone/homepage.aspx?fbclid=IwAR3Xpmbt7p9VlcZFAwidhd_Ganc9z390F_c9m8AbFILS68QADpeowBe0tMI#_articlef74e80d2-d278-4f2f-9485-e796d76addb7

(Kanjikkuzhi (talk) 12:01, 25 May 2019 (UTC))[reply]

I don't think your claim that
WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS. OhNoitsJamie Talk 23:08, 25 May 2019 (UTC)[reply
]

Kanthapuram A. P. Aboobacker Musliyar is the current Grand Mufti of India. all others were declared by under an institute. Kanthapuram_A._P._Aboobacker_Musliyar was elected by All India Tanzeem Ulama E Islam, a scholastic body.[1][2]

The Daily News, United Arab Emirates's news paper says Kanthapuram A. P. Aboobacker Musliyar is the grand Mufti of India. https://al-ain.com/article/mufti-india-designation

Also, the other prominent medias also says the Grand Mufti of India is Kanthapuram A. P. Aboobacker Musliyar:

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/kozhikode/kanthapuram-selected-grand-mufti-of-india/articleshow/68175547.cms

https://english.mathrubhumi.com/news/kerala/kanthapuram-elected-as-new-grand-mufti-religion-1.3599882

https://www.khaleejtimes.com/nation/abu-dhabi/education-is-key-to-peace-says-indias-grand-mufti

https://al-ain.com/article/mufti-india-condemns-new-zealand-terrorist-attack

http://www.akhbar-alkhaleej.com/news/article/1167760

http://wam.ae/ar/details/1395302764380

References

  1. ^ "Kanthapuram selected Grand Mufti of India". timesofindia.indiatimes.com. Retrieved 24 February 2019.
  2. ^ "تعيين الشيخ أبوبكر أحمد مفتيا للهند". العين الإخبارية. Retrieved 24 February 2019.

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  • The introduction is written in a manner that it seems the article is about the current incumbent. It needs to be rewritten to give an overview of the role and the name of the current incumbent may come as an information.
  • The infobox too seems to be on current incumbent, not on the role.
2. Verifiable?:
  • The article repeatedly claims that "The Grand Mufti is the most senior religious authority in the country" and "He is the most senior, most influential religious authority and spiritual leader of Muslims in India" etc. These claims represent POV. These claims should be either removed or linked to a verifiable source.
Updated. ❁ᴀᴜᴛʜᴏʀ❁ (❁ᴅᴏᴍ❁) 22:40, 21 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
3. Broad in coverage?:
  • The sections on "Role" and "Office" need expansion.
4. Neutral point of view?:

Refer to point 2.

5. Stable?: Pass Pass
6. Images?:

In the current image within infobox it is not clear who is the Grand Mufti. It needs an elaborate caption.

When these issues are addressed, the article can be renominated. If you feel that this review is in error, feel free to have it reassessed. Thank you for your work so far.— Arman (Talk) 14:09, 6 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I replaced the image with better another. ❁ᴀᴜᴛʜᴏʀ❁ (❁ᴅᴏᴍ❁) 21:56, 21 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Merge pages

The consensus is against a merge of

Grand Muftiship of Sheikh Abubakr Ahmad to Grand Mufti of India.

Cunard (talk

) 01:40, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Page not required. Most of data are same, can be description of current Mufti.--Irshadpp (talk) 08:26, 29 February 2020 (UTC)[reply
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Don't merge
Grand Muftiship of Sheikh Abubakr Ahmad to Grand Mufti of India as per result of the discussion. ❁ᴀᴜᴛʜᴏʀ❁ (❁ᴅᴏᴍ❁) 11:56, 29 February 2020 (UTC)[reply
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Mentioned discussion not about the suggested merging--Irshadpp (talk) 06:54, 1 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Real name of person, honorary addresses etc...

Real name of Sheikh Abubakr Ahmed

According to this page, and news references his real name is Kanthapuram A. P. Aboobacker Musliyar. Advise the guide lines of wikipedia regarding alternate names.

Salutations

Sheikh, allama are salutations, not part of name. According to guidelines, which have to be avoided.

--Irshadpp (talk) 10:23, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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WP:TEAHOUSE. Thankyou.Djm-leighpark (talk) 15:12, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply
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Ibn Taymiyyah etc. In this article, his real name is Kanthapuram A. P. Aboobacker Musliyar. As he is Abubakr s/o Ahmed, arab media called him Abubakr Ahmed with honorary salutation Sheikh, which means leader. Even in article about him stated that he also known as Sheikh Abubakr Ahmed. But in other related articles, this name is projected as real name. --Irshadpp (talk) 11:19, 14 March 2020 (UTC)[reply
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WP:MOVE. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 13:15, 14 March 2020 (UTC)[reply
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Current Grand Mufti of India is Shaikh Abubakar Ahmed as per reliable sources . The second claimant is Mufti Asjad with no reliable Sources thanksThe cool mew (talk) 19:30, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Talk dont edit war

@Irshadpp and Authordom:: Please ensure you use the talk page and don't get into an edit war as you are likely to have different points of view on some points and reliable sources themselves may at times be contradictory and at times this article may need to present two different viewpoints. In the event of any problems I suggest raising at appropriate WikiProjects and going to arbitration. Thankyou.Djm-leighpark (talk) 17:59, 14 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Current Grand Mufti of India Dispute

As far as I can make out there are two claims for Grand Mufti of India, probably as explained by [1], which is why a ding-dong is occuring over who the Grand Mufti of India is. Rather than having a running edit war can the completing claims be placed here in a way people with no knowledge of the background of the claims can understand. Thankyou Djm-leighpark (talk) 19:15, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I beg to differ. We do not regard Musliyar as Grand Mufti of India. Neither is he much known to public, nor his few fatwa's. I don't know how he got this much coverage. I feel to make it clear, that for fatawas Indian Muslims look at Darul Ifta's, the schools established for legal and religious guidance of Muslims. The top of them being the one at
talk) 03:25, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply
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Yet another report from The Milli Gazette says that Fuzailur Rahman Hilal Usmani is Grand Mufti of Punjab. Darul Iftaa Malawi mentions Mufti Abdur Raheem Lajpuri as former Grand Mufti of Gujarat, and Mufti Ahmad Khanpuri of
talk) 03:35, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply
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Baseerat online here mentions Azizur Rahman Fatehpuri as Grand Mufti of Maharashtra. It is supported by this report of Millat Times. -
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Historical evidence is missing for the previous grand mufties. Why only now this term had emerged while Musliyar became in this position. Regarding previous grand mufti, Moulana Akhtar Raza Khan we can see below the news while his demise.
What is interesting is no one mentioned him as grand mufti of India.
Another source, TheMuslim500-2017 clearly says that Mufti Muhammad Akhtar Raza Khan is the leader of the Indian Barelwis and considered by his followers as the Grand Mufti of India. It should be noted that it is consideration of own followers. Similarly, Musliyar considered as Grand Mufti of India by his followers. This is not an official posting of government or community.--Irshadpp (talk) 18:07, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thankyou for useful contributions so far. One way I might see forwrd is adding a section to the article to say some groups do not regard XXX but see others another as the highest Mufti for their School of Islam (apologies if I have not put that right). A hatnote may need to indicate that being the Grand Mufti of a state such as e.g. Kerela does not qualify as the overall grand Mufti of India for this article. Apologies if I have invertently got something wrong here. Can I also ask if Mufti is a Sunni only term? Also if there any connection between the Indian Government and the Grand Mufti? (I'm currently busy in RL & WP and finding difficult to give my attention to this) Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 21:38, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Mufti normally, in today's scenario is used for someone who studies the ifta course at any seminary. It is not same as
fuqaha
because they derive the ruling from explicit texts.
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WP:TEAHOUSE
. Thankyou. 17:44, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 25 May 2020
  • While the comment above might strange @KhanQadriRazvi has removed content of this section including the links I was concerned about; refer to history if necessary but please take due diligence if exploring any of the off-wiki links. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 16:56, 25 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]


No update till now, don't know why?

Is this really a neutral article of Grand mufti of india?, I, don't think so, I, already told that Please Update Wikipedia article about grand mufti of india, Add it both of them in list or remove it both, because newspaper written about both of them as a grand mufti of india, so putting Abu Bakr name in list and not putting Asjad Raza name in list is not fair for Wikipedia. One thing is that Hanafi can't follow other Imam jurisprudence, However, others Imam can follow Hanafi jurisprudence, because Imam E Azam is the eldest Imam in all four Imams. So, This reason also a grand mufti will be a Hanafi only. But, I Don't no why this article is not updating till know. KhanQadriRazvi (talk) 11:15, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Hanafi do not accept whoever as the Grand Mufti then there may be a sentence/paragraph that can be edited into the article. But this needs to be read and make sense to Non-Muslims who start with no knowledge of the religion or the terminology whatsoever. Thankyou.Djm-leighpark (talk) 12:54, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply
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      I, have tried to write an article on Grand Mufti of India, take a look in my sandbox, I, hope this is a neutral article on the topic. KhanQadriRazvi (talk) 10:53, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 2 June 2020

Notes KhanQadriRazvi (talk) 03:35, 2 June 2020 (UTC) KhanQadriRazvi (talk) 03:35, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Jack Frost (talk) 05:52, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 3 June 2020

KhanQadriRazvi (talk) 07:14, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

== This one Is 'X' ==

CONTENT REMOVED: Talk page syntax disrupting content removed including live categories etc. See page history Old revision of Talk:Grand Mufti of India for details. Djm-leighpark (talk) 09:03, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply] 

== This one Is 'Y' ==

CONTENT REMOVED: Talk page syntax disrupting content removed including live categories etc. See page history Old revision of Talk:Grand Mufti of India for details. Djm-leighpark (talk) 09:03, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This might be a Neutral article for Grand Mufti of India, Not in Supporting and not in Against to any one. Thanks KhanQadriRazvi (talk) 07:14, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: A full rehash and replace of the article cannot be readily evaluated. You need to propose changes in smaller, clearer pieces. —C.Fred (talk) 14:26, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 3 June 2020

Notes KhanQadriRazvi (talk) 07:24, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

See above. —C.Fred (talk) 14:26, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

All India Tanzeem Ulamae Islam and All India Sunni Jamiyyathul Ulama

I would like to understand the nature and significance of the following organisations in the lede: All India Tanzeem Ulamae Islam and All India Sunni Jamiyyathul Ulama. I have started a draft article for the former at Draft:All India Tanzeem Ulamae Islam and requested a refund to draft for the latter due to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/All India Sunni Jamiyyathul Ulama. Due to their seeming involvement in the election I would be surprised if they could not be seen to be notable, but anything is possible. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 23:29, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

the Electoral college

The Electoral college was introduced to the list of Grand Mufti's table at [2]. My "electoral college" can simply mean the group who elects someone. As used in the article this implies on a casual read, especially when prefixed by "the", that there has been a continuous college ... it is not cited that this is the case, and my best good faith understanding, possibly incorrect, is different bodies have done the election. Additionally the cn's have not been resolved. All considered I am removing instances of the Electoral College from the article. Thankyou.Djm-leighpark (talk) 21:40, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 8 June 2020

This is "X"

The Grand Mufti of India is the most senior and influential religious authority of the Islamic Community of India.

Sheikh Abubakr Ahmad.[5][6]

This Is "Y"

Grand Mufti of India (Qazi-ul-Quzat fil Hind or Qadi-ul-Qudat fil Hind) is the most senior and influential religious authority of the Islamic Community of India, When Muslim kings ruled in India. They start appointing the Qazi-ul-Qazat (Grand Mufti) for better justice system in the country. Now, India is secular country, so, there is no official post of Grand Mufti in India and not directly elected or appointed by government of India, The Grand Mufti of India in India is elected and appointed by Ulema E Ahle Sunnah. [7] KhanQadriRazvi (talk) 17:08, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Pickles, Katie (12 February 2020). "A mufti day is enormous fun. But time to give it a new name". The Spinoff. Archived from the original on 17 February 2020. Retrieved 21 February 2020. Grand Mufti Sheikh Abubakr Ahmad is the Indian Islamic community's current most senior religious authority. Mufti interpret Islamic law and then issue fatwa (legal opinion).
  2. ^ Kumar, Ashwani. "Education is key to peace, says India's Grand Mufti". Khaleej Times. Archived from the original on 27 May 2019. Retrieved 21 February 2020. Sheikh Aboobacker took charge as the Grand Mufti this February and holds the supreme authority to give fatwas in relation to Islamic religious matters in India.
  3. ^ Cite error: The named reference :12 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  4. ^ "'Women need not participate in CAA protests like men,' Aboobacker Musliyar stokes row". www.thenewsminute.com. 28 January 2020. Archived from the original on 6 February 2020. Retrieved 27 February 2020.
  5. ISSN 0971-8257. Archived
    from the original on 28 February 2019. Retrieved 24 February 2019.
  6. ISSN 2521-439X. Archived
    from the original on 8 April 2019. Retrieved 24 February 2019.
  7. ^ https://books.google.co.in/books?id=3LskAQAAIAAJ&q=The+Mughal+Government,+A.D.+1556-1707&dq=The+Mughal+Government,+A.D.+1556-1707&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiHzefQ1_LpAhXUIbcAHd4_D6oQ6AEIJzAA
 Not done: I don't see how this would improve the lead to fit with our
guidelines on the matter. Using a 1994 book to claim radically different information about some information which is reliably contradicted by more recent sources is also not helpful. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 01:03, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply
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Grand Mufti Of India Mufti Asjad Raza Khan Qadri

Grand Mufti of India is Mufti Asjad Raza Khan Qadri S/o late Grand Mufti of India Mufti Akhtar Raza from Bareilly. "change Sheikh Abubakr Ahmad to Asjad Raza Khan" Mohibbul Raza (talk) 10:51, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Please provide a reliable source that supports the change you wish to make. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:15, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

He is not real grand mufti of india

He is a self proclaimed fake grand mufti. I don't know why his name appears so while the real grand mufti who is in line of the grand muftis from the time of Aurangzeb is actually alive now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:4073:29F:4196:E7D8:5A0D:1372:73CD (talk) 14:00, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Grand Mufti Of India

New Grand Mufti Of India Is Mufti Asjad Raza Khan

Shaykh Abu Bakr Is Not a grand Mufti Of India 223.184.153.171 (talk) 19:08, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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