Talk:Slavic calendar

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The contents of the Croatian months page were merged into Slavic calendar on 26 May 2019. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected page, please see its history; for the discussion at that location, see its talk page.

The contents of the Czech months page were merged into Slavic calendar on 26 May 2019. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected page, please see its history; for the discussion at that location, see its talk page.

The contents of the Macedonian months page were merged into Slavic calendar on 26 May 2019. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected page, please see its history; for the discussion at that location, see its talk page.

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All articles on "[Slavic country] months" should be merged here per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Serbian months. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 08:20, 16 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

For the proposed merger here of the article

my talk 09:48, 16 June 2014 (UTC)[reply

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I expect the genius who decided to "merge" Croatian months, Czech months, etc. into this article, to actually expand this articles content. Instead, as it is, you see none of the content. Why does the lede say "Serbian" if it's supposedly about Slavic months? Why are there absolutely no details about other languages? 78.0.254.80 (talk) 12:48, 21 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The first table contains nothing but the archaic Serbian month names and meanings. No description is given, but its placement seems to suggest that these are the original forms of all or most Slavic month names. They may be relevant to most of the South Slavic names, but they in no way underlie the East or West Slavic names. I think the positioning and presentation of this table is very misleading. Also, the Serbian month names appear (in Cyrillic) in the comparative table, so the only thing this first table adds is the explanation of the Serbian (and other South Slavic) names. In this sense, it would appropriately be located in a language-specific subsection, alongside with similar explanations of the other language's names.

Shouldn't this table be deleted or at least repositioned as I've suggested? I'm not a frequent editor, so I don't feel like I should just chop a chunk out of the page, hence this note. 46.7.52.156 (talk) 14:44, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'm working on it

I'm looking for resources with the meanings of all the other names for the different months used throughout the Slavic language continuum, then I'm going to create a section called "Origin" or "Meaning" or something similar, where I'll compile all the different ways of saying each month, and what they mean, the etymology, and so on. (talk) 13:45, 14 September 2015

The Cashubian names of months are very different from these ones in Polish and they should be included in the article. 176.98.112.35 (talk) 07:11, 19 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The article Slovene months should not be merged into "Slavic calendar," as recently proposed, because it is larger and better sourced than "Slavic calendar," which is mostly a simple list. See also comments at Talk:Slovene months. Doremo (talk) 03:02, 15 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The October 2017 merger suggest that

• Weak oppose Writing this in
  WP:SUMMARYSTYLE with individual pages for more information about specific languages would be my preferred outcome. I believe all articles could be expanded similarly to Slovene months which would be enough to warrant a separate article. However as it currently stands all the pages could probably be merged into here quite well. Trialpears (talk) 22:11, 26 April 2019 (UTC)[reply
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• Support merging Merging seems a better solution because the two separate articles will not lose anything and we're going to have a broader and more detailed coverage in a single article. Mm.srb (talk) 22:42, 26 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'm a native Slavic speaker, but we use Latin months in Russian, and most of these Slavic names for months, being archaic, don't really make any sense to me as a speaker of modern/late-Soviet Russian. For non-native speakers of English or other languages with Latin-based months, who grew up with non-Latin names for the months, I wonder what it's like to learn the names of the months? Is it just like any other feature of a foreign language, or do these Latin names always feel somewhat foreign to you? I'd imagine there have to be some academic articles about this topic; if someone can find and add reference to the article, that'd be great. Specifically, I'm interested in the topic to discuss Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2019 May 7 § Template:Use ymd dates and Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2019 April 24 § Template:Use ymd dates (closed), for example. MureninC (talk) 20:28, 7 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I find it interesting to learn foreign languages. My mother language is French, so the (modern) Russian names don't give me any problem (I'll remember all my life that lesson in my Russian coursebook, which mentioned "sintyabr, aktyabr, nayabr, dekabr, all ending in brrr because Russian winters are very cold"); but my cleaning lady (once a week) is Polish and doesn't speak French. Usually we can do with English but I try to learn as much of her language as I can. When she got married she sent me (and, I suppose, all the newlyweds' friends) a postcard mentioning "lipiec" as the date. I still have to check this page to see that it means July. Similarly, what does "listopad" mean? Well, it depends where you are: in Russia it just means leaf-fall, in some countries (mostly in the Balkans) it means October, and in others (from Ukraine to the Baltic sea) it is November. I suppose that our Latin names feel just as foreign to my cleaning lady as her Polish month names feel to me. At least a single Latin-derived month name is not used with different meanings by different people.

Another thing which feels foreign to me in Polish are the names of declension cases: the Russian names are literal translations of the Latin ones which I learnt in secondary school 60 years ago (even винительный "accusative" from винить "to accuse"); not so in Polish. — Tonymec (talk) 21:42, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Having learnt Latin months with English, neither are weird to me. I believe the confusion mostly comes when you introduce Slavic months to Latin month speakers, and almost never the other way around. Being from the Serbo-Croatian-speaking area, both are natural to me, everyone uses whatever they want (you'll mostly find us saying e.g. "twentieth fourth" aka 20.4. for 20th April, avoiding the month names). -Vipz (talk) 13:56, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I looked up the mentioned "Russian archaic names" in the Russian wiktionary and I was surprised to find discrepancies:

1. some mentioned names are listed over there either only as "Belarussian" and/or "Ukrainian" words;
2. others are listed as Russian words but not as month names (e.g. листопад, mentioned in the Russian Wiktionary with the meaning "leaf-fall" and in the Russian Wikipedia with the same meaning and also "name of September or sometimes October in some non-Russian Slavic languages");
3. or as different months (e.g. сечень, listed as one of three archaic names for February)
4. or for more than one month (березозол, listed as "1. (arch.) March; 2. (arch.) April"),.

Here are the details of what I found (some names were mentioned under "synonyms" but as red links):

• сечень = February, not January (also снежезнь ≈ "snowy", cf. Macedonian снежник "December"; бокогрей ≈? heating one's sides [cf. бок "side, flank"; греть "to heat"])
• лютый = fierce (not a month name in Russian)
• березозол = 1. March (also сухий, сухый [cf. сухой "dry"]; брезень [cf. берёза "birch"]); 2. April (also цветень, see below; брезозор)
• цветень 1. pollen; cf. цвет 1. colour; 2. flower; цветение "(the) flowering"; 2. April (also березозол, брезозор)
• травень = (Belorussian or Ukrainian but not Russian) May (from трава "herb" : the best time for sowing)
• червень "red" (arch.) = June (also разноцвет, cf. разноцветный "polychrome")
• липец (← липа "linden") = 1. linden honey; 2. linden infusion; 3. July
• серпень = (Ukrainian but not Russian) August
• вересень (← верес = вереск "heather") = September
• листопад = leaf-fall (= November or sometimes October in some other Slavic languages but not in Russian)
• грудень = (Ukrainian but not Russian) December
• студень = 1. jelly; 2. (arch.) December

The "modern" names are of course январь, февраль, март, апрель, май, июнь, июль, август, сентябрь, октябрь, ноябрь, декабрь.

What should I believe in case of disagreement? Would it be worth adding to the article a "Russian months" section with the meanings, as there are for several other languages, at least in case of agreement? I'm no Slavic philologist. — Tonymec (talk) 04:32, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It is not written that in Polish names being used for March and May are: Marzec and Maj. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.192.84.99 (talk) 03:01, 16 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

These are Latin names (or names of Latin origin), not Slavic ones. This article is about Slavic names of months, and "archaic" Slavic names are listed for both March and May in Polish. I notice Latin names for March and May in Kashubian: maybe "Slavic" names of these months are not attested in that language? — Tonymec (talk) 20:17, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

why replaced? 103.130.165.253 (talk) 07:04, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]