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- I'd like to second that. Is there a reference somewhere for:
By the morning of November 12, it became clear that forces friendly to Lott held the city of Santos and that they would not allow the Tamandaré to land. Defeated, Luz ordered the ship to return to Rio. On his arrival, Luz was met by Lott's army and was forced to promise to resign the presidency before he disembarked. Luz had been president for just three days.
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- Thanks. Yeah I added a couple of references to those sentences. BrokenSegue 18:50, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
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Hello BrokenSegue. I got your name from the thread at Project_YouTube about the automation of subscriber counts [1]. I need some help to sort out Brendan Kavanagh. The YouTube data for him on Wikidata [2] was last updated in February 2023, but there are a couple of other older entries. When I preview the article to include {{#invoke:YouTubeSubscribers|subCountNice}}
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- @Archer1234: i believe the issue is that the infobox currently defaults to the value that is manually set. to get it to consume the wikidata value you have to remove the manually set value. BrokenSegue 01:26, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
- OK, but then it shows the subscriber data from Wikidata that is a year old?. Other than removing the manually set subscriber count from the infobox, is there anything else that needs to be done to enable the data on wikidata to be updated automatically? — Archer1234 (t·c) 01:32, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Archer1234: there is a bot that updates the subscription data on wikidata. I'm not sure why this one didn't get updated. I'll take a look at that. For now I manually updated it with the current value. BrokenSegue 01:38, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
- Super. I am hesitant to make the change to the infobox until you verify that the bot is actively updating the data. Do I understand correctly that the frequency of updates is twice a week?
- Also, is there a corresponding capability to update the number of views automatically?
- Thank you for your help. — Archer1234 (t·c) 01:43, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
- the number of view isn't currently doable because wikidata lacks a property to track that but it would be easy to add if someone were to put in the effort.
- I'm checking right now why it wasn't working and I'll get back to you.
- Yes it runs fairly frequently but it only updates when the number is 10% greater than the previous number. see wikidata:Wikidata:Requests for comment/Frequency of YouTube follower count data for a discussion on this.
- I will say that I think doing this in wikidata is better even if it's not automated is that it means other language wikis can source this information for free (though at the moment they aren't to my knowledge) BrokenSegue 01:47, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Archer1234: ok I think I fixed the issue. Let me know if there's items that haven't been updated that should've been. BrokenSegue 07:15, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
- Many thanks. I am curious as to what you did to fix the issue. I saw some updates on Wikidata to include "±9,999" in the subscriber count (e.g., [3]). Is that the key thing that reenables automatic updates? I am asking because that would be an easy thing for me to fix if I come across similar situations in other channels. — Archer1234 (t·c) 16:05, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
- I thought that was the issue but it wasn't. I think the issue is that it was always doing the channels in the same order and then it was crashing for reasons I don't understand so a large number of them were never being reached. I think I fixed the issue but I'll be honest I don't fully understand what was going on. BrokenSegue 18:35, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
- Many thanks. I am curious as to what you did to fix the issue. I saw some updates on Wikidata to include "±9,999" in the subscriber count (e.g., [3]). Is that the key thing that reenables automatic updates? I am asking because that would be an easy thing for me to fix if I come across similar situations in other channels. — Archer1234 (t·c) 16:05, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
- I read the discussion, and it concludes:
Update items with Wikipedia articles whenever their subscriber count has changed by at least 10% or has surpassed a new factor of 10 milestone (100k, 1M, 10M, etc.); update other items once per year
. - Sailing La Vagabonde is an example where the subscriber count in YouTube (1.85M) is not 10% more than what is in wikidata (1.82M). Does it have to get to 1.9M before it will be updated automatically? Or is it at 2.0M (which itself is not more than 10% of the currently stored count)?
- Also, do I understand the decision correctly that if it is not updated after a year, then it will be updated at that time? — Archer1234 (t·c) 19:28, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Archer1234: As currently implemented it will not get updated at 2MM because that isn't a factor of 10 (that would be 10MM). It would next update at 2.03 or so (10% higher than the current value). The logic in the code is
int(math.log10(old_sub_count)) < int(math.log10(new_sub_count))
(if you can read python). But I believe we could have some flexibility here. Mainly we don't want wikidata to be floodded with way too many updates but we want this to be useful to enwiki. And yes after a year it should update no matter what. BrokenSegue 20:07, 24 January 2024 (UTC)- Just a follow-up regarding Sailing La Vagabonde. It has been over a year since the YouTube subscribers has been updated at Sailing La Vagabonde on Wikidata. I would have expected it to have been updated by now (a week after the one-year anniversary of the last time it was updated on Feb. 17, 2023). I am not asking to have it manually updated as I could do that. I just want to know if I am misunderstanding when and under what conditions it should be updated and to know if there is something preventing BorkedBot from making the update. I am holding off updating the Infobox at Sailing La Vagabonde to remove the manually set value for subscribers until I am confident the process for updating is working. Thanks. — Archer1234 (t·c) 14:56, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
- You have not misunderstood how this is supposed to happen. In practice the annual updates were run manually by me and I was a little behind doing that. I just kicked it off. I have since set up the annual updates to be checked once per month. The annual updates are quite slow (there are 10s of thousands to do) so I don't want to run those weekly though if needed that could be done. You can find the automatic cron job for doing the annual updates monthly at [4]. BrokenSegue 17:39, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
- Ah. Ok. Monthly is probably fine especially if the job takes a while to complete. I can live with that. I just wanted to be sure my expectations were set and wouldn't worry or be puzzled why data wasn't being updated. I presume this monthly job checks for the one year, 10% increase, or 10X factor milestones? — Archer1234 (t·c) 17:52, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
- so it's a little complicated. a weekly job checks for the 10% and milestones (only for items with enwiki articles). a monthly job checks for the 1 year condition (for all items, not just enwiki). and there's actually a third job but that one shouldn't be relevant for enwiki cases. BrokenSegue 18:00, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
- The YouTube social media followers for Sailing La Vagabonde at d:Q85799180 still hasn't updated even though it is 1 year and two months beyond when it was last updated. Any idea as to why? I am holding off updating the infobox on corresponding enwiki article to pull data from Wikidata until I am confident that the process for updating is operating reliably. Thanks. — Archer1234 (t·c) 17:42, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Archer1234: according to the logs the job should've run a week ago (it runs weekly). I'm not sure why it didn't get updated. I kicked it off manually. We'll see in a few hours if that was enough. Looking at the job history logs it seems it did get kicked off but crashed. Unfortunately there there are no logs for why it crashed. You can see that at least until it did crash it was making progress. My best guess is there's some malformed wikidata item which is doing something I didn't expect and when it reaches it it crashes. I'll check the logs later today to see what happens. BrokenSegue 19:17, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- The issue was that it was running out of memory. I'm not sure why, but I've upped its memory limit. BrokenSegue 06:27, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- Ah. Ok. Monthly is probably fine especially if the job takes a while to complete. I can live with that. I just wanted to be sure my expectations were set and wouldn't worry or be puzzled why data wasn't being updated. I presume this monthly job checks for the one year, 10% increase, or 10X factor milestones? — Archer1234 (t·c) 17:52, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
- You have not misunderstood how this is supposed to happen. In practice the annual updates were run manually by me and I was a little behind doing that. I just kicked it off. I have since set up the annual updates to be checked once per month. The annual updates are quite slow (there are 10s of thousands to do) so I don't want to run those weekly though if needed that could be done. You can find the automatic cron job for doing the annual updates monthly at [4]. BrokenSegue 17:39, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
- Just a follow-up regarding Sailing La Vagabonde. It has been over a year since the YouTube subscribers has been updated at Sailing La Vagabonde on Wikidata. I would have expected it to have been updated by now (a week after the one-year anniversary of the last time it was updated on Feb. 17, 2023). I am not asking to have it manually updated as I could do that. I just want to know if I am misunderstanding when and under what conditions it should be updated and to know if there is something preventing BorkedBot from making the update. I am holding off updating the Infobox at Sailing La Vagabonde to remove the manually set value for subscribers until I am confident the process for updating is working. Thanks. — Archer1234 (t·c) 14:56, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
- @Archer1234: As currently implemented it will not get updated at 2MM because that isn't a factor of 10 (that would be 10MM). It would next update at 2.03 or so (10% higher than the current value). The logic in the code is
- @Archer1234: ok I think I fixed the issue. Let me know if there's items that haven't been updated that should've been. BrokenSegue 07:15, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Archer1234: there is a bot that updates the subscription data on wikidata. I'm not sure why this one didn't get updated. I'll take a look at that. For now I manually updated it with the current value. BrokenSegue 01:38, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
- OK, but then it shows the subscriber data from Wikidata that is a year old?. Other than removing the manually set subscriber count from the infobox, is there anything else that needs to be done to enable the data on wikidata to be updated automatically? — Archer1234 (t·c) 01:32, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
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