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Hello! I just happened to stumble upon your userpage and saw that it was your 8th anniversary of editing Wikipedia. Thank you for contributing! Shotgunscoop (talk) 12:23, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Happy First Edit Day!

Have a very happy first edit anniversary!

From the

Birthday Committee, CAPTAIN RAJU^(T)

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You have been involved in the "punk rock" article, so I'm inviting you to Wikipedia:Featured article review/Punk rock/archive2. --George Ho (talk) 23:31, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello!

i've wrote yesterday on HelpDesk and you relplied, the subject was "Wikipedia articles that are not just translations..." i didn't have yesterday a wiki user yet, and i don't know how to reply there on HelpDesk. Just to remind you what was the issue about, i'll copy-paste from there: " Hello!

There is problem with this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Re-latinization_of_Romanian It should be a translation of this page: https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curentul_latinist And it is not. The English version talks about the re-latinisation of the Romanian language which is not 100% true. While the romanian version of the page talks about the "the Latinist current", they are 2 different things... How can this be corrected? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.125.92.26 (talk) 19:25, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

There is no reason why it should be a translation. It looks like the original author of the English article looked at the subject with a slightly different angle than the author of the Romanian article. That does not make the article wrong. The Banner talk 20:45, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Articles linked in the languages sidebar (and behind the scenes on Wikidata) don't need to be translations, but they do need to be on the same topic. Separating them would be an easy task, but I don't know which of the two topics the Russian article ru:Латинизация румынского языка is on. Do you? – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 21:24, 7 June 2021 (UTC)"

Now... i used google translate to see what the russian page is about and it is almost a 1 on 1 translation of the english page... Both the english and the russian titles are biased, the unbiased title should be "The modernisation of Romanian language"... while the Romanian linked page with them is something like a detail about "The Modernization of Romanian language", it is about a "current" among the romanian linguists and philologists in the 19th century, but it was not the main "current" and as i said, it is a detail in the broader subject aproached by the english & russian pages...

I don't know what it is to be done, but this kind of biased articles may lead to missinformation...

Thanks a lot! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nicu.Obsescu (talk • contribs) 15:01, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Nicu.Obsescu, and thanks for looking into this issue. I've split the Wikidata items so that the Romanian article no longer appears in the languages sidebar as the same topic as the English and Russian one. If you think that Modernisation of the Romanian language would be a better title than Re-latinization of Romanian, you should start a move discussion on that articles talk page, here: Talk:Re-latinization of Romanian. The correct way to do it is to add this template on the talk page: {{subst:Requested move |Modernisation of the Romanian language|reason=Write your reason for the move here}}

If you find that template difficult to use, simply start a discussion in any format and I can add it afterwards. The Russian Wikipedia probably has a similar process, but I'm not familiar with that, so let's see how it goes here in English first. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 15:21, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for the quick reply! Is it ok like this to reply to what you wrote? i clicked on edit... I'll test the template you recomended, i don't know yet if i'll manage or not... I took a look at the talk page of thet article in english and the discussion is quite long, there seem to be a lot of issues with the citations that i didn't noticed before... Thanks a lot again!

Hi, Finnusertop! I hope this message finds you well. Over in my sandbox I have been working on an expanded version of Discography of Sibelius symphony cycles, and quite soon the piece will be ready to move into the actual encyclopedia. One thing I have insisted upon (I suppose it's the trained academic in me) is that all symphony runtimes, recording dates, and recording venues should be sourced to the actual CD liner notes of the corresponding cycle; third party websites simply won't due.

There remain a few cycles for which I have not been able to obtain the official notes. One of these, from 2015, is the first-ever Korean conductor-ensemble pairing to undertake the project:

Quite clearly, the Kim–Suwon cycle has not made its way over to the west (and, at $50+ on Amazon, I have no interest in purchasing it)... all web-content about the project is in Korean. Then, I remembered that you are a member of Wikiproject North Korea and, as such, might have South Korean collaborators or friends. If so, then perhaps you or they could obtain a scan of the liner notes floating around the Korean peninsula?

Second, I seem to remember that you dabble also in obtaining images for upload in Wikicommons (apologies if I am misremembering); for this article, which will eventually be FLC, I'm in need on: 1) an image review; and, 2) improved images: [a] a better image of Paavo Berglund (pref. from the 1970s); [b] a better image of Lorin Maazel (pref. from the 1960s); [c] a better image of Akeo Watanabe (pref. from the 1960s or 1980s); [d] an image of Anthony Collins (pref. from the 1950s); [e] a better image of Thomas Beecham (pref. from the 1930s or 1940s); and [f] a better image of Jukka-Pekka Saraste (pref. from the 1980s or 1990s). Those are the top needs, in order of importance. I also wouldn't say no to better images of Leif Segerstam and Osmo Vänskä, as well as the first uploaded images of Santtu-Matias Rouvali or Hannu Lintu.

I'd appreciate any help you feel inclined to provide! Thanks! Silence of Järvenpää (talk) 18:15, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Silence of Järvenpää. I know I've been slacking on the previous tasks you gave me. I'll have more time soon and I'll start with the translations. Now, with regards to your new requests:

The Kim Dae-jin CD. I have access to Naxos Music Library, which has plenty of Sony Classical recordings of Sibelius. Unfortunately, it did not have this one. Rather than making someone pay $50 to access the liner notes, I think I might have a solution. Turns out this CD set is in the University of the Arts Helsinki holdings at Helsinki Music Centre (is this the correct version?). As I understand it, it is accessible to the general public and I just happen to be visiting Helsinki soon. If all goes well, I might be able to take notes from the liners during my trip.

Commons. Yes, I participate on Commons a lot and am often able to find public domain or freely-licensed images we are missing. Finnish personages would be the easiest because the public domain cutoff date for photographs is 1966 – which is rather favourable. Foreign photos need a little more digging, but are not an impossibility. I'll look into it.

Hoping to get the ball rolling soon! – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 18:50, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

See, this is why I adore you as a collaborator! Many, many thanks. (Man, I dream of one day visiting Helsinki and making pilgrimage to Ainola!) If I may, I'd like to prioritize the discography article requests over the Kullervo article requests. Silence of Järvenpää (talk) 18:56, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Just letting you (also including @Aza24, Gerda Arendt, and Ipigott:) know that I've moved the content over to Draft:Discography of Sibelius symphony cycles, so that others can more easily be involved. Do feel free to join in if you're so inclined. Have a lovely weekend! Silence of Järvenpää (talk) 15:03, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for the invitation, Silence of Järvenpää. I'll probably limit myself to copyediting, if needed. And images, If I'll manage to fulfill your requests. There is this image of Berglund but it might not be so great. I might check that book – Karttunen, Antero. Radion sinfoniaorkesteri 1927–2002 – out sometime to see if it has more photos. I also searched for photos of Rouvali and Lintu. It is kind of disheartening that no one has snapped freely-licensed photos of these high-profile individuals. Well, there were a couple on Mynewsdesk.com, but that site is problematic according to Commons and images from there are more often deleted than kept. If nothing else transpires, I'll probably ask one of Commons' license reviewers before considering uploading. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 15:14, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Finnuspertop! Look at this glorious, high-def photo of Akeo Watanabe (link))!! We absolutely must have it... first Sibelius cycle on stereophonic sound and first Sibelius cycle by a conductor of Asian heritage. Silence of Järvenpää (talk) 23:18, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Silence of Järvenpää. Unfortunately, I don't think that photo was taken in Finland, which is what matters when it comes to the relevant copyright term of expiry date. I'll definitely keep serching for the photos though. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 07:48, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Okay! Fine! :) (haha) I've thus moved away from the idea of a conductors gallery, because too many of the conductors either don't have images or have images that are of poor aesthetic quality. You'll see that I'm now just using the multiple-image template. NEEDS:

• I still think we could use a better image of Berglund... one that shows his face and is less grainy.
• I'd also like to feature either Vänskä and Segerstam OR Vänskä and Saraste. Saraste might be tough, since his cycles were in the 1980s and 1990s, so finding a free use image from that time I bet will be impossible. However, both Vänskä and Segerstam have been active RECENTLY with cycles, and so images from the 2000s and 2010s will work well. Surely someone in Finland (or Minnesota) has snapped a good photo of them!
• The third and final thing is... I don't know how to crop an image. As you'll see Draft: Discography of Sibelius symphony cycles#Notable incomplete Sibelius cycles: 1952–present, the image of Karajan needs a snipping so that it's not so distant and thus better fits with the image of Bernstein. I'd imagine for a WikiCommons vet like you, this should be relatively straightforward.

Thanks again so much, Finnusertop for any help you can provide! Silence of Järvenpää (talk) 20:26, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

A problem that I consistently encounter on Wikipedia is the demand that knowledgeable editors must "obtain consensus" with no one in particular. That appears to be the situation at the "Eternal leaders of North Korea article", where your awareness of the available scholarship on the Kim Il-sung presidency has been met with indifference. I lost patience and created a disambiguation page at President of North Korea, and I encourage you to develop an article at President of North Korea (1972–1994). 73.71.251.64 (talk) 16:22, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi there! I definitely think that President of North Korea (1972–1994) should be created. I hope I can muster the energy to create it myself; thank you for your kind words and confidence in my abilities. By the way, can you provide some pointers for Kim Jong-un "holding an office officially translated as 'President of the DPRK'"? I haven't stumbled upon any and the desirability of that disambiguation page largely depends on this question in my opinion. In the meantime, I should check out how other language Wikipedias have handle this issue which we have been unable to provide a satisfactory solution to. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 16:35, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

Someone added that recently to the "President of the SAC" article, but it looks like the source is misrepresented. KJU's title changed from Chairman to President, but still of the State Affairs Commission. He's the head of state and I think it's still appropriate to have a disambiguation entry, but I'll update the disambiguation page and the "President of the SAC" page to accurately reflect the source. 73.71.251.64 (talk) 21:20, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

Yes, but I don't think anyone calls Kim "President of North Korea", except by mistaken ignorance. And that mistake has certainly been made even before the head of SAC was titled "President". We might have to discuss the disambiguation page in the near future. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 21:26, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

If you think it's more appropriate to have "President of North Korea (disambiguation)" that's fine with me also. 73.71.251.64 (talk) 21:30, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

KJU's recent title change was from "Chairman of the State Affairs Commission" to "president of the State Affairs". An awkward shift of emphasis that tripped me up, but it is verified from Naenara and Rodong Sinmun. 73.71.251.64 (talk) 17:13, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

If that is the case,

President of the State Affairs Commission should probably be moved. By the way, I'm currently writing an article on the original Presidency. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs

) 17:20, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

June thanks

Thank you for improving articles in June, with some impressions of places, flowers and music for you. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:11, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

added: missing SlimVirgin, and RMF festival opening --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:18, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

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July corner

On DYK today, two songs, a morning song that a cousin gave to me, about the many meanings of rising, and the other praying for the courage to take the necessary steps. The morning song is a GA, - I should write more given my initials, but I also want to care for articles of

those who recently died (now Esther Béjarano). - Thank you for improving articles in July, - I come a few days earlier than normally because the bloom is fading already ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk

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Uuno Klami

Hi! I am trying to expand the biography of

Helsingin sanomat on 30 May 1961. (There is an image, too tiny to read and thus for me to translate into English via Google Translate, here.) It is my hope that this article will list Klami's cause of death, along with other interesting details. (At present, the Wikipedia bio for Klami says he died of a heart attack while sailing his boat, but this claim is unsourced and I haven't been able to verify it using the English language sources at my disposal. Hence, I'll probably have to delete it.) Do you perhaps have access to the Helsingin sanomat archives? There's also a Finnish language biography of Klami, by Kalevi Aho and a coauthor. I was thinking of ordering it via ILL. Brings back fond memories of how we tackled Leevi Madetoja together with the Salmenhaara biography! Warmly, Silence of Järvenpää (talk

) 20:37, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

@Silence of Järvenpää: I am very sorry for the belated reply! I did read your message when you posted it but at that time I had other things to do and could not tell you anything about Klami you did not know already. Things have changed now: I now have a subscription to the full archives of Helsingin Sanomat. I have read the piece in question – Kauko, Olavi (30 May 1961). "Uuno Klami - alkuvoimainen lumooja ja häikäisevä taituri". Helsingin Sanomat (in Finnish). p. 19. – and here's what it says about Klami's death:

"Academician Klami encoutered death at Virlahti. Thrombosis of the brain was anounced as the cause of death. He was immediately transported to hospital but was however unable to be saved. Head of the Academy of Finland prof. A. I. Virtanen: News about the sudden passing of composer Uuno Klami at his hometown Virolahti, where he had moved to in spring according to his usual habit, was a total surprise. His physical fitness and mental alertness seemed to promise him many fertile years of creative work."

The rest of it was very general in nature and talking about his influences and skills. That day's newspaper has nothing else on Klami except for a blurb about this story. The next day's has one about reactions abroad. But if you want me to check that (or any other) article again, I will gladly do so.

The folowing source, however, says Klami died of heart attack: Lehtonen, Tiina-Maija (20 September 2019). "Veitikka ja hurmuri, säveltäjä Uuno Klami Pariisissa 1924–1925 – Musiikin syntymäpäiväkalenteri" (in Finnish). Yle Klassinen. Retrieved 18 August 2021.

"Academician Uuno Klami died of heart attack while fetching milk at Klamila in Virolahti on 29 May 1961."

If you need help with the Finnish book, I'll also try to help. Once again, sorry for having kept you wating! – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 13:10, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

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Talking about Wikipedia

Hi Finnusertop!

I am doing a PhD project on Wikipedia, and I was wondering whether you'd be available to talk to me about your experience as an editor. You can find more information on my profile if you wish, including links to a description of my project. Any questions, let me know! Thanks, ElenaFalco (talk) 09:01, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

August thanks

Thank you for improving articles in August! I try, today DYK for a GA by a banned user. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:29, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Removed reference you added

Hi, I'm in the process of cleaning up LOC country study references (usually converting generic bottom templates to specific footnotes) and I came across some refs you added that don't check out and figured I'd leave a note here in case I missed something or in case you know what the issue is. Here you added two references to the North Korea country study but I can't find this content in the North Korea country study anywhere. Here's an earwig comparison of the article to the country study.[1] I've removed the references, but if you know of a better fix, I encourage you to implement it! Thanks, Calliopejen1 (talk) 18:04, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Calliopejen1, and thanks for dropping by. I too use Earwig's tool for identifying portions of imported text. The problem with your comparison is that it's of the latest, 5th (2008) edition (edited by Worden) of the LOC country study. I have clearly identified an earlier, 4th (1994) edition (edited by Savada) in the refs. If you follow the link in the citation you'll find the full text of the 1994 edition. The comparison checks out. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 19:54, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! I figured there was probably an explanation. :) Calliopejen1 (talk) 19:55, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

By the way, if you're interested in adding footnotes to old, terribly referenced content from the LOC country studies, I have a worklist here that includes links to earwig comparisons to speed up the process. Calliopejen1 (talk) 20:05, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, Calliopejen1. I am, if I find the time to do so. I've simply done it whenever I stumble across such content or occasionally checking which articles transclude the relevant templates. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 20:15, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Great! I think it's an extremely worthwhile project. A lot of these articles are tagged up the wazoo with "unreferenced" etc., and being able to swoop in and establish that a reliable source has said all of it (with very little effort) is pretty cool. Calliopejen1 (talk) 20:19, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

I know, Calliopejen1. This is one of my pet peeves as well. Just to get a sense of your workflow, did I do it correctly: [2] [3]? No new footnotes here, just the templates, but you should know by now that I can identify imported text as well :P – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 12:02, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

On the tracking page, I'd just delete the row entirely. I only strike through sources where I've evaluated one or two sources (and they don't contain copying) but not all of them. Otherwise good! Calliopejen1 (talk) 15:51, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

Actually on second thought, I might change some things... Let me look a little more closely and get back to you!! Calliopejen1 (talk) 15:52, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

I further edited the page. This is a typical situation where some detritus has accumulated and people have changed the wording so it no longer matches the source. I put some of it back so that it matches the source and marked the individual sentences unreferenced that are not supported by the source. (I also prefer marking individual sentences as coming from a given source, not paragraphs, but I know that that's an individual preference... So the second paragraph could just as well have a single citation at the end, theoretically.) Calliopejen1 (talk) 15:58, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious

Seven years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:13, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

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Pollock

Terve, I noticed the paragraph at the bottom at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pollock

I noticed you wrote: "need to check with sources"

I'm somewhat new to editing on Wikipedia. Does "need to check with sources" mean YOU will check with sources? Or does it ask for OTHERS to check with sources?

kiitos, Miyojewolt S Nasonth (talk) 22:46, 9 September 2021 (UTC)Miyo (Miyojewolt S Nasonth)

Because of its slightly grey colour, pollock^[

which?] is often prepared, as in Norway, as fried fish balls, or if juvenile-sized, breaded with oatmeal and fried, as in Shetland. Year-old fish are traditionally split, salted, and dried over a peat hearth in Orkney, where their texture becomes wooden.^{[clarification needed]} Coalfish can also be salted and smoked and achieve a salmon-like orange color (although it is not closely related to the salmon), as is the case in Germany, where the fish is commonly sold as Seelachs or sea salmon.^{[citation needed}

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Hi, Miyojewolt S Nasonth, and thanks for asking. What I meant is for others to check with sources. My concern is that the passage might be describing Alaska pollock instead of pollock, though I could have said that clearer. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 15:02, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

September thanks

September songs

Thank you for improving articles in September, - a good harvest! On Peace Day, Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:11, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

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Jang Jong-nam's birth year

May I ask the source of your edits here? -- 리듬 (talk) 07:39, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

@

MOS:CIRCA. By the way, NK Info, which is probably the best source for birthdate and place data for North Korean officials does not list anything for Jang. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs

) 11:05, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

Nampo

Hello Finnusertop, I've been working on a number of articles for cities and counties for North Korea. Do you think it would be possible to further improve Nampo to good article standard?

Thanks Gorden 2211 (talk) 10:38, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi,

WP:GACR standards are quite stringent, so one should keep improving the article and every now and then ask the question one's self if it's ready. I think it's possible but it requires a lot of effort. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs

) 22:28, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

I Need some help.

Hello, I have read the articles you have published, and I find them very interesting. I need help with an article I wrote, the article has already been viewed once, and it was not accepted. I edited the article, taking into account the recommendations that had been made. I had started chatting with the contributor who read my article, in order to improve it. But that is no longer possible because it has been banned from Wikipedia. You are more experienced than me, could you take a look at my article, and let me know if you think it is ok or if I need to edit This is an article about a contemporary French painter who is alive. The article is very short. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Hom_Nguyen Thank you for any help you can give me — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thx2020 (talk • contribs) 09:40, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Thx2020, and thank you for the kinds words. I took a look at your draft. Because the reviewer who declined it has been blocked, you definitely deserve a new review. That being said, I agree with the reason they gave: the tone and content of the article consist of a bit too much praise. You should do some work on it before submitting it again. Try to go through all the sources you've already found, and perhaps even find new ones, and see what kind of basic biographical detail they give about Hom Nguyen. What is his family like? What did he do prior to painting? Did he have some sort of education? Has he lived in other places? Is he a professional artist, or does he also do some other type of work? Right now, you have only picked all the good things people have said about hit. Some of them can probably stay in the article, yes, but reading it I don't really get to know who Hom Nguyen is. On the other hand, I think you've done a great job with the Exhibitions section. I rarely see such comprehensive and well -rafted lists of exhibitions. If you have any more questions, I'll help you. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 21:23, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi,Finnusertop thank you so much for your time and your help. He is an artist with a very special history. But I didn't want to talk about it because I was afraid it might not be very Wikipedia and too emotional, I wanted to be as sober as possible, that's why I didn't talk about it. This is what we know about this artist:

This artist lived alone with his mother, he has no other family. When this artist was a child (around 3 years old), his mother had a serious car accident and she lost the use of her legs. He therefore lived most of his life with a disabled, paraplegic mother. All his childhood he knew her through hospitals. (today this artist paints women and children a lot). This artist was born in Paris and has always lived there. He started to work very young because his disabled mother could not work. He was a shoe salesman, never took drawing lessons or attended art school. When his mother died, he began to paint and draw and became an artist. And 13 years later, he is a French artist who sells his works all over the world, in major international fairs, realizes solo shows, participates in charity sales to major world-famous artists.

Do I have to talk about this? The only interesting source that I have found regarding it is an interview which was broadcast on the Yahoo France portal, this interview was carried out by a very well known French musician artist Manu Katché. I can rely on this source, because his childhood is told in a lot of magazines, but they are not online, so I do not make any connections !!!

Another question, I read that this artist will soon be awarded the Order of National Merit ( ordre national du mérite). Do you think I should talk about it, if so?

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thx2020 (talk • contribs) 15:27, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello again, Thx2020! Yes, those kinds of biographical details you list would improve the article. As long as you can point to a source that has them. You can use the interview you mention, although interviews are not perfect sources. We don't simply "trust" people telling the full and honest story about themselves. While it's probably not such a problem with this artist, there are obviously other people who have not always told the truth about them, so we have to apply this principle to everyone. You can use the interview, but you should give the context. Write something like: "In an interview with Manu Katché, Nguyen said that...". Or even quote him: "In the interview, Nguyen sad: '...' ".

By the way, you can use sources that are not online, such as magazines, newspapers, and books. In fact, for many topics, those are also the best kind of sources that have more information and with the most reliable publishers. Cite them the same way you would cite a website: just give the name of the magazine, the date, title of the article, and its author.

As for the Ordre national du Mérite, I would wait until he is actually awarded one. Speculation about things that might happen is usually not good in a Wikipedia article.

I know, it is a distinctive talent to write in a neutral and non-emotional way, but this is what Wikipedia does. We have articles even on many controversial topics, and they are all written from a neutral point of view. Just give the facts, and if there is praise or criticism, tell who said that and don't make it seem like your own or Wikipedia's opinion. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 16:36, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello Finnusertop , I have improved the draft and also added new sources , especially magazines , that s good sources and that s was such mess not to use it. Thanks to you , you made me realised I Can Use it. I wish to publish it for a new review . But before , I m waiting you read it , and you tell me if this article is finely good enough or not  ? Thank you Thx2020 (talk) 15:42, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

@Thx2020: I think it's coming along nicely. I performed some copy editing on it so that it will be as ready as possible. The article on French Wikipedia is quite a bit longer though, so there is still room for expansion. You can do that by using the sources found in the French Wikipedia and using your own words. Or you can even translate parts of it verbatim. If you want to translate, the only thing you need to know is to add in your edit summary a line: "Content in this edit is translated from the existing French Wikipedia article at fr:Hom Nguyen; see its history for attribution." That's all! – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 04:47, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

@Finnusertop:Great thanks for your contributions, that ' so great!! I have made little expansion, using sources found in the French Wikipedia, and I had mentionned it in the summary edit. Do you have tips , for accelerating the review ? I wish not to wait months , if this is possible ?Thx2020 (talk) 12:13, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

@Thx2020: I'm afraid you'll just have to wait now. The review time varies and it can be anything from very short to very long. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 20:22, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

@Finnusertop: hello, I found an interesting source. It is a UNESCO branch at the Sorbonne University. They produced an article: Inspirational Personality Portraits. do I have to put this source in external link? § — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thx2020 (talk • contribs) 14:16, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

@Thx2020: if it includes some new information that you wish to cite, just cite it the way you cited the other websites and magazines. The "External links" section is for links to websites that provide additional resources but were not used as sources in the article. Put it in that section if you think the reader might want to read it or perhaps to see the pictures. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 17:25, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

@Finnusertop: How are you ? I have put an infobox on the draft, if you can check it and tell me if it's good or should I retire it ? Thanks--Thx2020 (talk) 02:35, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

@Thx2020: I'm fine, thanks! The infobox is a good addition. I've changed it to use the more specific Template:Infobox artist and made some other fixes. Did he get the Ordre national yet? So far that lacks a source. Also, one thing to keep in mind is that names of artwork should go in italics. For instance, is his portrait of Napoleon titled Napoléon? If so, it should be italicized. It's very good to see the draft continuing with improvements. I'll check back every once in a while with fixes if needed. You can ask about any of my edits to the draft if you're interested, most of it is just minor issues from our Wikipedia:Manual of Style. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 09:53, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

@Finnusertop: first again and again : thank you :). He got the Ordre national. Here is the link , and I indicate precisely more informations. I didn't knew where to put this sources ? https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/jorf/jo/2021/11/25/0274 ( Texte 3 sur 158 - Décret du 24 novembre 2021 portant promotion et nomination dans l’ordre national du Mérite. - Ministère de la cohésion des territoires et des relations et des relations avec les collectivités territoriales – Au Grade de Chevalier - . His Napoleon portrait is titled " Napoleon " . I m going to italicized it.Thx2020 (talk) 17:44, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

@Thx2020: very cool! I've added the order in the main text with the reference you provided. When the same information appears both in the body of the article and the lead section or infobox the reference doesnt need to be repeated. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 18:10, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

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Hi, Daeron, and thanks for dropping by. When I consulted the website on 19/20 June 2020, West Papua was indeed listed as a former member. The current website lists them as current member again. I've returned it in the article's list and the template. The two others I moved are still listed as former members. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 13:39, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

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