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I consider this to be no consensus situation. I wrote a comment on talk page of User:Ruslik0, who did it, but he seems to be out now. Could You please reopen and relist the entry or explain me, why that shouldn't be done. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk) 19:19, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
The trial will only grant temporary rights to a limited number (10) users. They will only have the right for one month. At the end of it, the right WILL be removed.
Maybe that needs to be made more clear, in the proposal? Can we make that clearer - would that help?
Thanks for your time, Chzz ► 01:48, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for responding. To be 100% honest, I'm not sure myself if it will be a success, or a fail; nor am I sure what we will learn from a trial. However - hear me out; a) I cannot see a negative effect from a shirt trial on a tightly-limited number (let's face it, their actions are gonna be watched, by a LOT of people!) and b) whether it works or not, we will learn a lot. Also - again, juust being straight with you - I think something needs to change; after years of discussion about RfA, I would honestly strongly support a proposal for e.g. "Admins must wear a funny hat on Thursdays" - just to show things could change. I hope you understand where I am coming from, and all I wish is, that we could try to get consensus for any kind of trial. If that means proposing just "Chzz is given 'delete' rights for 1 day" then I'd fall back to that. I believe it is possible to adjust the proposal so that everyone is happy. I hope we can reach some agreement. Chzz ► 04:09, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, I get that. It's more how it will be judged a success or failure that I'm concerned about. Thryduulf (talk) 02:37, 29 November 2011 (UTC) Copied back from my talk [1] just to keep it threaded... Chzz ► 16:33, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
I don't think we will be able to say "Yes, that was a success" or "No, that fails" from this trial. But I do think it'll give us plenty to talk about, with a view to maybe refining it, or maybe scrapping the idea, or maybe coming up with something considerably different.
The point being - re. "funny hats on Thursdays" - that for years, we've been discussion change to RfA, with absolutely no effect. That's why I think any attempt at change - on a very very limited number of users, for a very limuted time, tightly controlled - is at least worth a try. The RfA community is somewhat entrenched; set in its ways; very resistance to change of any kind. Yet the rate of new admins is plummeting - and knock-on effects of certain attitudes (ie admin-is-a-big-deal, 'holier than though') is certainly one of the major influences on the massive fall in editor retention.
I don't want to waffle. Just... I think there is no significant risk to the trial, but there is a great chance of significant benefit; not necessarily in the immediate sense (of e.g. creating some new admins), but in terms of it being the start of true reform. Chzz ► 16:33, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
Hi Thryduulf. I'm just wondering how you would feel about me requesting a delrev on this. Regards, --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 19:08, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
Why? If you think I've made the wrong decision, then please explain why you think that. You were the only one arguing for deletion, and there was very little other contribution, which is rarely going to result in any consensus. It was open over three weeks and relisted twice, so I felt the chances of another relist bringing more input to the discussion was very low. Thryduulf (talk) 19:14, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
Well, first off, I naturally have no personal interest in the article whatsoever, and I'm certainly not a deletionist. However, I nominated it of course because I naturally felt there would be a very fair chance that it would be deleted. From a purely neutral standpoint, if I had been uninvolved I would probably have closed it as 'delete' on the strength of the valid arguments put forward in a rational and objective way by Kudpung that demonstrate that the refs are far from reliable, and do nothing to assert notability, and I would have checked those refs for reliability and coverage, and searched for more before closing. Secondly that some of the 'keep' votes are of dubious validity, and that the keep votes do not offer any policy based rationale other than 'it's notable' (read: 'I like FatShark'), and that finally none of the voters responded to invitations to qualify their votes. The fact that there was generally a total disinterest from the community after so many relistings also tends to demonstrate that subject is little known and of low importance - although this is a subjective argument. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 19:36, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
It's not the job of the AfD closer to evaluate the sources in an article, nor to look for more. The job of the AfD closer is to evaluate the arguments presented in the discussion. There was your argument for deletion, based on the unreliability of sources; a counter argument that the sources did show enough for notability and nothing else of relevance. The deletion arguments were stronger, but not overwhelming and one user wanting deletion does not make a consensus. Take it to DRV if you want, but I don't see how this can be anything other than a no consensus closure. Thryduulf (talk) 19:42, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
If it is suspected that people are arguing either 'keep' or 'delete' on arguments that are clearly not in line with notability policy, or that their claims that sources are reliable when they are not, or that coverage is extensive when it is not, or have been claiming for sources that do not address the subject, then I believe it is part of the closer's job to take that into consideration. I equally believe that less weight should be accorded to a vote, whether keep or delete, from a user who appears to have registered during an AfD and ostensibly just for the purpose of voting in that AfD - apart from the possible sock that it might actually be. Nevertheless you will be relieved to know that I had no intention of wasting anyone's time with a delrev, as I said, I don't really care if it is kept or not - it's not a toxic article, and if the community's interest in it is anything to go by, the general public are hardly likely to view the page much either. I just wanted your take on it. Thanks for your feedback. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 20:10, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
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With the time sensitive Rs I have been searching around a bit but most of the obvious I think yo are already covered.
I did make {{Time_of_day_in_words}} once upon a time, and it is also available in French and Hungarian. It is about as much use as a snake in an arse kicking competition, though.
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Well you want to link to the actual article about the route
GOCO (you used before) is a glossary of military abbreviations. Unless it's being operated by First Great Western, you don't want to be using FGW colours. Also, I'm not sure there is consensus for adding proposed routes to station articles - you'll need to ask about this at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK Railways. Thryduulf (talk
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There are a number of articles which do show proposed routes. I'm not too sure on how to remove colours, however GOCO is now the Proper trading name for Go! Cooperative. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chip123456 (talk • contribs) 14:01, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
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I noticed that talk page archiving is being done manually there at the moment. Would it not be a good idea to set up a ClueBot III or similar archiving service? It Is Me Heret / c 13:47, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Good idea. Any thoughts on the best interval? Thryduulf (talk) 14:17, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Umm well
WT:RM uses 30 days old and minimum of 5 threads left, so maybe go for that? (Also N.B. some archive bot templates' age parameters are in days, and others' are in hours, so be careful). It Is Me Heret / c
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Ok, I've put the template for
MiszaBot II on the page (that bot works in days, ClueBotII only in hours) and set it to 30 days old, 5 threads left and a maximum archive size of 60kb (the last is approximate maximum size of any of the existing archives, the smallest is only about 11kb). Thryduulf (talk
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give him the rope
The rope is in Ludwigs' hands, it is up to him how do deal with it, don't let yerself get baited into a tit-for-tat in a ArbCom case request, they hate that. We all felt the frustrations during the Muhammad/images and WT:NOT, wrestling between rehashing a counterpoint for the umpteenth time and wondering if we didn't, would he take that to mean "silence means consent". But this is different, let his most recent statement speak for itself. It speaks (practically screams) volumes about why & how these debates got so contentious. Tarc (talk) 19:01, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
*cough*
[2] Would you like to revert? Hasteur (talk) 22:46, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
Sorry about that. I did get an edit conflict with that, but it showed me edit conflicting with the version I was editing - i.e. my word was shown as conflicting with an empty cell so I just played my word again. I didn't realise that it was a genuine edit conflict with another user rather than the spurious conflicts with myself I occasionally get. Sorry.
I've not reverted as such, but replaced my word with yours as DebashisM (talk·contribs) played between you leaving this message and me receiving it (I was grocery shopping). I'll leave a note on their page about it and so they might want to change their word so I suggest you either don't play or at least don't play off their word until they've had a chance to. Thryduulf (talk) 00:31, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. Whatever be, move on... DebashisM (talk) 03:25, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
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Hi. I saw your closing comment I recall some previous discussion at a Wikimedia UK meetup about the possibility of displaying old revisions of a page with the version of transcluded templates that were current at the time of that revision (i.e. a revision from 1 January 2010 would display transcluded templates as they appeared on that date) at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2012 February 16#Template:Rescue. This funstionality has been reported as an enhancement request at Bugzilla, but I don't know where it'll go. -- Trevj (talk) 08:48, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
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I'm surprised by this close. There were two !votes to delete, just one keep !voter. The redirects were just nonfunctional clutter, completely implausible as search terms and all pointing to the same article. Could you please explain or reconsider the close? Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 21:06, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
Quoting policy/guidelines doesn't demonstrate that policy/guidelines are being applied correctly. Creating redirects from "articles" that don't exist, have never existed, and have no reasonable likelihood of ever existing, with titles that are nowhere near plausible search terms is simply inappropriate clutter. All three redirects pointed to the same article, and no reason was given to explain why we needed four separate "see also" links, with four inexplicably different titles, to the same target. One link in the "see also" section would have been sufficient and consistent with practice in other articles; just using section links rather than fake-title redirects would have been more than sufficient. An unexplained and implausible "it's useful" from the creator really isn't really anything but an "I like it" response; this is really a matter of editing discretion, where there's no good reason to reject the expressed consensus. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 15:03, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
Good evening, Thryduulf. You closed the RfD on Keven Veilleux earlier today as "delete" but then never deleted the redirect. You also relisted Scott Wilson (ice hockey), a case that looked identical to me. I suspect maybe an edit got overwritten? I'll help clean up if you tell me what you wanted done. Rossami(talk) 22:27, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
I meant to delete Keven Veilleux, but I'm having very significant connection issues at present so I guess it never took. I relisted Scott Wilson due to the AfD issues, but if you feel that I should have been consistent then please feel free to go ahead and make them consistent in whichever direction you think best. Cheers. Thryduulf (talk) 13:30, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
I don't feel all that strongly one way or the other. And I'm perhaps more comfortable than most with the idea that Wikipedia is inconsistent. You've already closed it as Delete. I'll abide by that decision. Since I seem to be having better luck with connections today, I'll carry out the delete for you. Thanks. Rossami(talk) 14:31, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
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New strengthening cables installed within Hammersmith Flyover
New entrance to West Croydon station provides better access for all
All the world's poets on the Tube
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Temporary changes to bus services during London 2012 Games test event in Woolwich.
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user:Againme
Thank you for your advice. That's a very annoying user, for four years he's been creating an article about himself. I had him blocked because he used sock puppets, and I tried to block him again but an administrator told me that was ancient history. Maybe he's right, but he keeps creating that page with slight name changes, although he doesn't use sock puppets anymore. I'll keep an eye on him and do as you say. I'm almost sure he will create that page again. PeterCantropus (talk) 14:22, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
Hi Thryduulf, Peter and all. That editor was right in that it's ancient history. Don't worry, I don't think of creating the article again. Also, I wanted to report PeterCanthropus on a personal attack on me. On my talk page, he called me boludo (roughly Spanish for asshole), where can I do that? Greetings to you all. --Againme (talk) 15:24, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
Personal attacks like that are probably best reported at
I'd appreciate your reply on the RfD on Uniform motion. I contacted Tideflat (the nominator) a few days ago, but never received any response. Thank you! 786b6364 (talk) 12:15, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
Again, I'd appreciate your further reply on this. Hopefully we can agree on a solution. 786b6364 (talk) 12:08, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
I've had a quick look but I'm too tired to fully understand it at the moment, so I'm not going to comment now. I'll try and get to it when I'm next online (which may not be for a week or so). Thryduulf (talk) 19:50, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
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Indentation again
Hi, Thryduulf. Since you took part in an RfC at the talk page for our indentation essay, I wonder whether you might care to comment here, as well. No additional blocks are being sought, but a broader consensus on the indentation issue would be welcome. Best, --OhioStandard (talk) 01:18, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
First stations named for London Underground WiFi launch
May
Transport for London welcomes RMT acceptance of Olympics recognition proposals
Crime on London's transport network at eight year low
London 2012 Games first: TfL officials to provide live travel advice to businesses on Twitter
London Underground showcases proposals to boost Bank's capacity
TfL launches London 2012 Games 'Temporary Road Changes' planning tool and urges road users to plan ahead
Daily weekday River Bus services to treble between Putney and Blackfriars
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Medically trained BTP officers deployed on the Tube
New Oyster online accounts help customers keep track of their travel
Olympic legends compete to be the fastest to cross London
Tracey Emin unveils personal version of the Tube Map
Wembley Central becomes the 65th step-free Tube station
Vital investment and reliability programme result in record year of Tube performance
Emirates Air Line flying high as all 34 cabins undergo rigorous safety testing
Hammersmith Flyover to fully reopen to traffic on 30 May
TfL issues travel advice to enable London to celebrate The Queen's Diamond Jubilee
Buses diversions in Bromley town centre for Diamond Jubilee celebrations
Transport for London (TfL) and Network Rail are encouraging those travelling during Games-time to make short journeys on foot as Living Streets' Walk to Work Week launches
Who is Community? - a new artwork by Bob and Roberta Smith and Tim Newton running from 15 May 2012 through 2013 on display at Stratford station
Transport for London (TfL), the Association of Train Operating Companies (ATOC) and Cubic Transportation Systems have picked up top honours at the 2012 International Transport Forum for their joint work on introducing Oyster onto the National Rail network in London
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IBAN
hi,just thought to let you know that the IBAN between Darkness shines and TopGun had been removed after the Discussion at ANI, I dont have the link at the moment, If you want you can dig it. cheers--DBigXray 18:26, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
Socially Liberal
A quick thank you for your efforts with the
socially liberal page. I kind of started the debate, but wasn't able to follow it to the conclusion (my occupation means I can't rely on a good internet connection) - your solution was a good and pragmatic one. DistractionActivity (talk
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Dispute Resolution IRC office hours.
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RfD question
Hey Thryduulf, I'm curious why you closed the other two bad RfDs (for already-deleted redirects) but not this one: Wikipedia:IWONTHEARYOU. From what I can tell, the closure of the original discussion occurred shortly after this nomination. I can't tell whether the redirect was nominated improperly (perhaps the original nom didn't tag it?), but the way it looks to me, that other one shouldn't be left open either. However I'm not certain enough to just close it. I'm not questioning your judgment, mind; you're usually rather wise regarding RfD, so I'm curious what your reasoning was. BigNate37(T) 04:44, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
Simple oversight! Sorry. Thryduulf (talk) 07:57, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
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I'd like your opinion on these two redirects, please. Wikipedia:Help desk#Redirection - Iestism is the relevant discussion. Ietsism more or less asserts that its demonym is believer without religion (albeit without citation), so it's not a clear-cut matter. BigNate37(T) 02:12, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
Nevermind, you'll see them eventually now that they're on RfD. (By the way, I mistakenly used my wikt browser search to get here, and I was so confused staring at wikt:User:Thryduulf, puzzling over what had happened.) BigNate37(T) 05:49, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
Within the project, discussions included the Hammersmith & City line navbox, the deletion of Template:London Underground Tube Stations & Rolling Stock and links to London Underground usage data figures not working
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Done - restored and userfied to User:Anarchangel/List of musicians who died before the age of 60. When you're done with it, please mark it for deletion and an admin will be along to tidy up shortly. Thryduulf (talk) 23:59, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
Template:CompactTOCrefs has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 16:44, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
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