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The result was delete. Mz7 (talk) 05:52, 22 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Chuck Currie

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A local minister (and blogger) with local

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  • Delete. A web bio is linked from the article and details nothing notable. Szzuk (talk) 17:15, 20 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Mz7 (talk) 05:49, 22 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ari Meisel

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Created by a sock; no claim of notability and article is extremely promotional. I see one good reference; a NYTimes article from 2004 [2] that seems suspiciously like a puff piece.

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The result was keep.

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Ben Goertzel

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Notability concerns for this person; article reads like a resume. References about him seem to be mostly his own content. He appeared on Joe Rogan's podcast but that doesn't demonstrate notability.

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  • Keep. You don't have to agree with him to see that he is notable. Books, conferences - he was on Joe Rogan because he is a known quantity in singularity and transhumanist circles with a recognizable point of view.Wetwarexpert (talk) 19:24, 19 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Reviews of his work seem limited but there's a couple of additional ones[6][7]. For weight against
    WP:NACADEMIC, citations of his work are at Google Scholar. ~Hydronium~Hydroxide~(Talk)~ 10:19, 21 January 2019 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete. czar 22:01, 21 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Jayavani

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Article appears to be an attempt at promotion for an actress who has not yet generated enough evidence of

significant and reliable media sources. All sources found are agent's listings or minor video clips. Note that her Filmography in the article is full of redlinks to films that are presumably non-notable in themselves, with bluelinks going to articles about things other than films. She is not listed on the page for the film Yamadonga, at least not under this name. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 21:13, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply
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The result was keep.

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Mick Mercer

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Tagged for notability since 2011. He's a journalist in the gothic scene, he's also authored several gothic books and run his own magazine. I found a couple of refs [8] [9]. The refs look marginal at best. He's had quite a varied career but I'm not convinced he passes GNG. Szzuk (talk) 20:52, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • keep. Notable books, used as many refs in wikipedia itself. - Altenmann >talk 07:11, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep. I'm familiar with him mainly for his work for Melody Maker, but he seems to get most coverage for his writing on the goth subculture. There's reasonably significant coverage here, and quite a few serious books quoting his writing: [10], [11], [12], [13]. --Michig (talk) 07:12, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - He's notable, but in a niche category. It's still encyclopedic.
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The result was delete. czar 22:00, 21 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Caroline Francischini

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Yes I am proposing deletion on this and here is why: beyond the extremely vague, unverifiable statements (yes, I looked) about her career, the dead links that redirect to GoDaddy and some “earn gold” scam, nothing presents notability at all. No reliable source can even be found for being on the cover of Elle Argentina, if we grasp for straws. Winning a local, un-notable modeling contest is all that’s left, with no source at that. It isn’t as if that contest was something on the calibre of Elite Model Look or Ford Supermodel of the World. Trillfendi (talk) 20:45, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. czar 21:56, 21 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

RE Engine

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Engine does not show independent notability. All sources/mentions of it are simply "this game will be using the RE Engine". ~ Dissident93 (talk) 20:15, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Article creator here. Your opinion is legitimate, but there is no "tendency" in the moves I made. The article was created with the intention of making it a stub (for which a specific "Capcom stub" template exist) so that other users - me included - would improve its quality over time. At the basis, of course, I thought the game engine was perfectly notable to have an article so I created it. And that's all. Lone Internaut (talk) 05:22, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I understand your reasoning, but this engine fails
WP:N and thus no article should have been created for it. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 05:38, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply
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What can I tell? That's not what I thought. Lone Internaut (talk) 05:49, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Popcornduff, I think you are absolutely right about that. It's always a matter of time. Like the fact that now the article is on Wikidata and that, as I originally thought, other users are contributing to improve it. I am still sure this does not change much, but it's still better than nothing. And as you said there is no rush so... it's always a matter of time. Lone Internaut (talk) 21:00, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
When I said “tendency”, I didn’t mean Lone Internaut specifically, but rather, the tendency of editors in a general sense do it. I wasn’t attempting to single you out. Sergecross73 msg me 13:32, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I am sure about that, but being article creator I felt like to distance me from that "tendency" and give you background about the whole thing. Just saying. Lone Internaut (talk) 21:00, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. czar 21:49, 21 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Geoffrey Michael Brooks

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He is an author and translator. This is a BLP with just one reference in the article to what appears to be a novel he translated. WP:Before is showing he has written several books however they are little read. Tagged for notability since 2011. Szzuk (talk) 20:03, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Tone 20:58, 21 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Anjali Mukerjee

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Time for the fourth AFD, I guess. This is in dire need of

WP:PAID editing but they've attempted to pad her "resume" with nonsense sources ands he is not actually notable. Praxidicae (talk) 19:36, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply
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I'll also note that I've assessed the sources on the talk page and am currently finishing all 68 of them. Praxidicae (talk) 20:07, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to

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Tech News 2Night

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Canceled podcast of no importance or merit; not noteworthy. Testspure (talk) 19:19, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Tone 20:57, 21 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Jeff Roberson

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Fails

WP:NHOOPS. UW Dawgs (talk) 19:03, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply
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The result was keep. Needs work but the consensus is to keep. Tone 20:59, 21 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Richard Newcomb

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An unreferenced

WP:BLP. Tagged for notability since 2010. A possible advert for his books. The books themselves are fairly niche but well received on Amazon. WP:Before isn't returning anything, this may be because the name is quite common. Szzuk (talk) 18:24, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply
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The result was no consensus. I will attempt to summarize the two opposing arguments, neither of which have consensus, in my view.
WP:GNG) and as evidence of broader significance within the history of the Internet. Mz7 (talk) 06:15, 22 January 2019 (UTC)[reply
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@world_record_egg

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Delete per WP:NOTNEWS. This occurrence has no enduring notability whatsoever. At best it should be a single line somewhere in the instagram article. --Tagishsimon (talk) 17:58, 14 January 2019 (UTC).[reply]

  • KEEP: I understand many editors proclaim to be a "troll" or "insignificant." However, it has set many records and has many accolaids. Instagram does not own, @world_record_egg, so having it under Instagram is taking away the success or the appreciation for the egg itself. If you just set the like record post for your IG post, would you wan't it under Instagram. The egg is a person and has it's own shop, verified check, and anything else it may need to have it's seperate article. Keep it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SupaDudz (talkcontribs) 15:37, 15 January 2019 (UTC) SupaDudz (talkcontribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
  • Note. Another deletion discussion regarding the same topic is taking place at
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Why exactly, Greenleader(2), can this 2-line "article" not be incorporated as a factette in the Instagram article. Why exactly does it need its own article? --Tagishsimon (talk) 18:13, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
You’ve got to be kidding. Trillfendi (talk) 19:05, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect on the condition that there is truly extensive information about the egg on the wiki most liked insta page. No I was not joking, and the lack of arguments about notability shows that instead of the argument being about the coverage and significance of the page, instead editors have chosen to talk about the content of the page as a justifiable means for deletion. As ridiculous as it looks, it has broken numerous records; over 33 million as of typing this have liked the post! I would personally hope that there can be a page on this in the future, however accept the consensus is instead for an extensive section about the egg on the most liked insta post wiki page. Greenleader(2) (talk) 19:31, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
This AfD is predicated on the policy of
WP:NOTNEWS. You possibly missed that bit. The consensus is not for "an extensive section about the egg on the most liked insta post wiki page". The consensus is merely get rid of this stupid article. --Tagishsimon (talk) 21:32, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply
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Resupporting keep and reverting the decision to redirect as opposed to my original points for keep. The subject of the article even now is still recieving media coverage, and appears to be perfectly in line with Wikipedia guidelines. I suggest to sceptics that you check out Wiki's list of unusual articles; all valid pages but are a bit out of the ordinary, however nevertheless are just as deserving of having a page as some famous politician or celebrity. Greenleader(2) (talk) 19:49, 19 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The other AfD (which concerned the Instagram account behind the post) was closed with a speedy delete.--SamHolt6 (talk) 21:21, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Surely the significant coverage in the media as well as the fact it has the most likes ever on an Internet post means it has passed the basic notability guidelines? Greenleader(2) (talk) 19:35, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The egg post has accrued a significant amount of coverage in
WP:RS.--SamHolt6 (talk) 21:21, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply
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@
WP:RS to confirm, of course. SamHolt6 (talk) 22:07, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply
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I think you'll find that
WP:NOTNEWS is policy, by virtue of that bit at the top of the page that says "This page documents an English Wikipedia policy." This article is a text-book example of what wikipedia is not. Per my question to another keeper: exactly why can this not be covered adaquately in an instagram article? --Tagishsimon (talk) 21:35, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply
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NOTNEWS is a policy shortcut under the WP:NOT umbrella, but this is semantical; it remains policy. I think however that this topic is one of the exceptions (NOTNEWS throws the caveat usually in its text) given the claim to significance the article has. As for the
WP:PAGEDECIDE inquest, I am of the view that the topic should remain a separate stub or start class article (which PAGEDECIDE alots for) on the basis of the sheer amount of coverage received.--SamHolt6 (talk) 06:24, 16 January 2019 (UTC)[reply
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@
Egg Gang
. How many more “world record egg” pages will keep being created for this viral trend if we don’t get a handle on it?
  • Note that the "Ten-year test" is not a Wikipedia policy or guideline, and it has not been thoroughly vetted by the community. The use of this "thought experiment" test is not required to warrant a Wikipedia article whatsoever. North America1000 16:46, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Nixinova: It was literally the same, exact article with a different name. It wasn’t just a “similar” article. Wikipedia doesn’t allow two articles of one thing. Use your brain. Trillfendi (talk) 20:48, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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There's no such thing on Wikipedia as "temporarily notable pending the need for future hindsight, just because it happens to currently be in the news" — either a thing has already attained enough notability to satisfy the
ten-year test for permanent notability, or it's not notable enough for an article at all. Bearcat (talk) 15:27, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply
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Nobody's making any predictions. What has to be shown, to qualify it for a Wikipedia article, is that it has already achieved something that already passes the ten-year test — it's not enough to say that we don't know that it won't still be a topic of interest in 2029, because that's not where the burden of proof lies: the burden of proof lies on showing that it will still be a topic of interest in 2029. And current "world record" status doesn't prove that, because the nature of social media is that this could easily have its record outdone three months from now and thus become a forgotten footnote to history by July. Again, the burden of proof is on you to prove that this will endure, not on anybody to prove that it won't. Bearcat (talk) 15:33, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Gaze into me, and engage in the ten-year test thought experiment
That
WP:10 year test is oh so subjective, and requires forming subjective, speculative predictions. Furthermore, there's also a section there that begins with, "Just wait and see." Lastly, it says right atop the page, "This page is not one of Wikipedia's policies or guidelines, as it has not been thoroughly vetted by the community." This subjective test is in no way required to qualify an article, nor should it be. North America1000 16:38, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply
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Firstly, the "wait and see" isn't about "keep the article pending future evidence that it hasn't endured", it's about "wait until you can show that enduring significance has emerged before you start the article at all". Secondly, per
WP:ONLYESSAY, we have policies in place to tell us what to do, and guidelines to tell us how we've decided our best practices for actually doing policies work in actual practice — so essays are still every bit as binding as policies are, in the absence of a really compelling reason to make a special exception to them. Bearcat (talk) 23:05, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply
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The merge proposal is a diversion and a Canard. Those articles have been deleted already.
No doubt the article will be renamed. But that is irrelevant to the deletion discussion. 7&6=thirteen () 13:10, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Add: I don't think we should start a precedent of giving every internet sensation a page. This is not Ellen. Every internet sensation gets coverage in RS, that is why it is a sensation. But they inevitably fade away. This is also the first precedent I know of for making a page for a social media ACCOUNT. The article is not about the person behind it or the sensation that it got likes, but about the page itself. I just don't think this is what WP is for, ultimately. Anyway, that's all I have to say. — Preceding unsigned comment added by El cid, el campeador (talkcontribs) 19:19, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strangest !vote I've made to an AfD discussion, but Change the subject of the article, possibly by Move to something like "Instagram egg post" or something similar. I do believe the subject is notable, even if passing, but it doesn't focus on the right subject, as it should probably be about the post, and not the less-notable account that created the post. SemiHypercube 19:47, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Move to Instagram egg post per SemiHypercube, if kept, which I have no opinion on. — CoolSkittle (talk) 21:21, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    Talk:@world_record_egg#Requested_move_15_January_2019, not here. Thanks, wumbolo ^^^ 21:37, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply
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  • Keep or Change the subject of the article to that of the egg itself. It has received coverage from various publications such as CNN or Time. MikeOwen discuss 22:26, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - This article is clearly Wikipedia page-deserving due to the fact that it details the most liked post on Internet history, a clearly encyclopedic topic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Peanutbutterwikipedia1230 (talkcontribs) 23:21, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per ‡ Єl Cid of ᐺalencia. This article shouldn't be on Wikipedia in my opinion; it's not a suitable place for it. Ben5218 (talk) 02:19, 16 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep the article, as it's well-sourced and has received a massive amount of coverage, but move per the RM on the article's talk page. -- /Alex/21 02:59, 16 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Recently came upon this review [32] of the egg in Artnet. The review (while being an opinion piece) is art critic Ben Davis' take on the egg post and the trend of art in the wider internet-fueled culture. It is fairly different from other news stories concerning the egg in recent days.--SamHolt6 (talk) 06:17, 16 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep passes
    WP:GNG
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  • Thorne, Dan (14 January 2019). "Egg photo breaks Kylie Jenner's record for most liked image on Instagram". Guinness World Records. Retrieved 15 January 2019.
  • France, Lisa Respers (14 January 2019). "Meet the egg that broke Kylie Jenner's Instagram record". CNN. {{cite news}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |dead-url= (help)
  • Hugh McIntyre (August 9, 2017). "Here Are All The Records 'Despacito' Broke On YouTube". Forbes. Retrieved 14 January 2019. (struck 20:20, 16 January 2019 (UTC))
  • Ohlhieser, Abby (14 January 2019). "Congratulations to this egg on becoming Instagram's most-liked post ever".
    Washington Post. {{cite web}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |dead-url= (help
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  • "Egg Photo Bests Kylie Jenner for Most Popular Instagram Post". Time. Retrieved 14 January 2019.(added 20:20, 16 January 2019 (UTC))
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  • Comment: either i am missing something, or the Hugh McIntyre/9 August 2017 article doesn't mention the egg at all. Nyamo Kurosawa (talk) 13:03, 16 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I agree with
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Practically everything is, or at least can be, an internet phenomenon. This is not a fascinating example of how modern society can interact in the internet. It's just a picture of an egg. Additionally, the argument: "We can always delete it later" is absurd. We can not simply create articles that lack notability, because one day it might be notable. If that day ever comes, it can be made then. If we start making articles about every internet anomaly, Wikipedia would be flooded with thousands of meaningless articles. Remember Youtube Rewind 2018? That was a little over a month ago. It's already completely out of the public eye. Lastly, you must admit that the comparison with Despacito is incredibly weak. That is a song, with a cast, crew, production team, budget, etc. It is a well defined entity, that exists independent of any specific platform. Many songs have entries even without the notability that Despacito had. This post, on the other hand, is nothing more than a picture on a social media website. It's entire existence is limited to a specific page on a specific website. Puzzledvegetable (talk) 23:29, 16 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Yes, that. Puzzledvegetable (talk) 03:00, 18 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Well there's no consensus here and there isn't going to be one. I count around 20 keeps and a few less deletes, nowhere close to unanimous. Close?  Nixinova  T  C  01:49, 17 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I see no harm in waiting for an disinterested editor to close this by their own volition. Further, AfDs are not a head-count. ‡ Єl Cid of ᐺalencia ᐐT₳LKᐬ 18:41, 17 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Garbage content and useless information. Yes, it’s my opinion. Bohbye (talk) 07:46, 17 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
No policy based reason given for deletion. Balkywrest (talk) 23:13, 17 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I don't there is a rule that requires reasons to be based on policy. Policies are non-binding anyway, so if a user feels that the information on a page is useless, that is just as valid as a policy saying so. They both have the same power if other users agree, and conversely, are both meaningless if other users don't agree. Puzzledvegetable (talk) 03:00, 18 January 2019 (UTC) Removed comment per below. Puzzledvegetable (talk) 02:01, 20 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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-Edit conflict- Unneccessary comment on another user's vote. Whoever closes the AfD can weigh the value of votes themselves. Cheers ‡ Єl Cid of ᐺalencia ᐐT₳LKᐬ 03:02, 18 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
References to children's fairy tales do not justify keeping an absurd article. Puzzledvegetable (talk) 01:09, 20 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep This is worth being entered into Wikipedia for history purposes. I understand in a few years, It may not hold the world record but this has set a precedent for inanimate objects alike Laboj (talk) 02:13, 21 January 2019 (UTC) Laboj (talkcontribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
  • Delete per
    WP:NOTNEWS. Having it listed at List of most-liked Instagram posts is sufficient until lasting notability is established. Kaldari (talk) 16:37, 21 January 2019 (UTC)[reply
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  • Keep for now per
    WP:RAPID. I checked Google, and news articles are still being published about the egg. These articles cover a lot of different aspects of the egg picture and its online fame (not just the fact that its the most liked Instagram post). This could just be a flash in the pan, but there is also currently evidence to suggest it may have some lasting impact. I think its best to wait a few months to make a determination of the egg's lasting significance. Spirit of Eagle (talk) 00:20, 22 January 2019 (UTC)[reply
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  • Keep
Though this point wasn't mentioned, I think it's worth bringing up that this does not meet BLP1E – "If the event is not significant or the individual's role was either not substantial or not well documented." Yes, this is surely well documented and, as displayed by the name @world_record_egg, they did seek publicly with these actions.
Nomination is also of a current event that has attracted international attention. When the publicity dies down, maybe reconsider then? But for now, this should stay up.
Given the dozens of sources found on Google within minutes of starting a search, this passes GNG.
Seems to me that there is no reason to delete. ––
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The result was delete. Tone 21:01, 21 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Th' Corn Gangg

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Non-notable. Fails

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The result was keep. Tone 21:03, 21 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Skeem (2011 film)

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The result was keep. Partial Consensus that there is sufficient notability for articles to be retained and overwhelming consensus that a mass nomination was unsuitable and that individual nominations are required for articles lacking suitable sourcing - after a more in-depth BEFORE sweep.

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Please note I am also nominating the following articles with this one because they are all non-notable films released in the same country and the articles are authored by the same user:

Moms at War (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Hell or High Water (2017 film) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Beneath Her Veil (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Affairs of the Heart (film) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
A Hotel Called Memory (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

As with the Ghanian film articles created by this user (for which a separate AfD is open), these films fail

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The result was speedy deleted by

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Egg Gang

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Other entries on the List of most-liked Instagram posts do not have their own articles. I believe world_record_egg can't really be expanded upon enough to warrant its own article. lovkal (talk) 17:17, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete.

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Jozef Waite

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Not Significant and Independent References.

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    WP:TOOSOON. His main claim to fame was participating in the 2014 reality show Grade One, when he was a Grade 1 student. Still a primary school student today. No work in the past 3-4 years. Timmyshin (talk) 08:04, 19 January 2019 (UTC)[reply
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The result was keep. Tone 21:03, 21 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The New Bell

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Fails

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The result was keep. Consensus keep but someone please work on the references. Tone 21:03, 21 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Amnon Wolman

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A composer and music teacher. The article is tagged for notability and has no refs. There are a couple of external links which demonstrate he is a composer and teacher. All I could find on google is [36] and little else. Szzuk (talk) 15:54, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment. He has an Allmusic bio, as well as two reviews there: [37], [38], and appears to have coverage in Computer Music Journal: [39], [40]. Also other coverage that is not third party but suggest notability: [41], [42], [43]. I am inclined to keep, but would be interested in whether other editors can find more. --Michig (talk) 16:49, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong delete No references is an automatic no for me, especially that this article is over 12 years old! Allmusic is not a reliable source. There is no independent, significant coverage. The notability tag is accurate. Both GNG and Composer. Trillfendi (talk) 18:59, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. RL0919 (talk) 14:58, 21 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Wedogood

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References fail the criteria in

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The result was redirect to

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Completely fails to satisfy

WP:NALBUM
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Redirect - (to Crumbächer) Along with the band itself, is the only one I felt could potentially be disputed. (The other albums have been redirected for now) Nosebagbear (talk) 22:00, 7 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep.

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The Living Room Candidate

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Fails

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The result was keep.

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Aaron Pixton

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As far as I can tell, does not pass

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Keep - I think this just barely passes the threshold of notability.
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The result was delete. Sandstein 13:46, 22 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Qiao Zhang

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I can find no sources other than documents associated with the lawsuit mentioned in the article and the Pacific Rim Construction articles cited (which have no byline and appear to be based on media releases) that mention, much less establish any claim for the notability of, the subject. The article's author insists that the subject is "internationally acclaimed" (as one of the PRC articles states) and notable, but at this point neither the article content nor the sources cited indicate why the subject would or should be. Being the subject of litigation is certainly not alone a reason for notability. General Ization Talk 05:21, 31 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Also note that, while the creator asserts the subject is "acclaimed", the content of the present article is overwhelmingly negative concerning the subject. It primarily documents a claim that the subject embezzled from his firm, a claim that appears to have been settled under seal and so cannot be readily refuted. An effort at character assassination may be the article's primary purpose for being here. General Ization Talk 13:27, 31 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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I think the coverage of this person meets
WP:BIO. I understand it is not actual policy, but I think Wikipedia:Notability_(architecture)#Architects can inform things, too. In addition to the sources already in the article, his firm's website (though not a third party reference, to be sure) lists some projects that seem important, though I am no expert.[49] And there is at least one Chinese language source that talks more about his old firm's dissolution and lawsuits. [50] In fact, it was an anonymous editor that kept adding this reference to Marshall Strabala
that got me to look into this individual and his firm partner for inclusion in Wikipedia. The Google translation of this source leads me to believe there are alternate ways to transliterate this person's name. And I am sure somebody more capable than me can do more effective native searches in Mandarin. Seeing as he is based in China, and based on the English sourcing available, I would expect there to be more references available in Chinese.
Further, despite General Ization's claim that I assert this architect is "acclaimed," if one read's the article, my talk page post, and edit summaries, one would see that I am just reciting what a source said. I have no idea whether his peers (or anybody else) actually acclaim him or not.
And to briefly address what appear to me to be an ad hominem attack on me alleging I had somehow improper motives for creating the article (of course, the article can have no motive for existing, only the article's first editor for creating it), which the General seems to acknowledge is at odds with his (inaccurate) characterization of my view of whether the architect is acclaimed: if this article is "character assassination," the text of the article indicates I am a terrible character assassin, or at least a straightforward and boring one. But I will
assume good faith
and assume the General did not mean to disparage me personally.
In sum, from what I have read online, I think this individual (if not the article itself) meets the notability requirements for Wikipedia. Arch-i-tec-sure (talk) 06:56, 2 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment No intent to disparage you personally; my comments were an assessment of the present state of the article, and the fact that 80% of it concerns legal claims against the subject rather than their accomplishments led to my speculation. That the firm's Web site may describe some important projects is irrelevant unless it also clearly shows that the subject was somehow important to development or realization of one or more projects. (As near as I can tell, it doesn't, and he is no longer with the firm.) There are two separate AfDs because they are presumably two separate people, and the discussion of the notability or lack of one shouldn't influence the discussion of the other. General Ization Talk 18:03, 2 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I think the firm link I pasted above is his current firm. It looks like he is one of two partners (the other being the subject of the other related article you sent to AfD), so it stands to reason he is involved with some or all of the projects. It looks to me like the page does claim he and his partner were directly involved in those projects. And per N, notability is determined based on the subject, not the state of the article. As for whether to combine the AfD, it is your AfD nomination; I've copied and pasted this comment from the other one. Arch-i-tec-sure (talk) 18:32, 2 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I can see some sources about him in Chinese - e.g. [51][52][53], I'm sure there are more. He is linked to the firm in these sources, in particular with the design of the Shanghai Tower. Sources however indicate that Marshall Strabala is the chief architect of the firm, so as simply a partner in the firm, there is some doubt about his individual notability as an architect. Just being involved in a lawsuit is not by itself notable. I'm not really sure what he is known for architecturally outside of his association with Strabala, therefore deletion is a possibility, but I'm leaning towards redirecting it to another article, possibly Marshall Strabala for now. Hzh (talk) 23:43, 4 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete. I opened the refs and they aren't about him directly. They're about projects of which he was part and litigation in which he was involved. Consequently their value in satisfying GNG is much reduced. Szzuk (talk) 19:00, 21 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy keep. Withdrawn. Refs have been added which indicate notability.

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Arturo Rivera

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A non notable individual. There are no refs in the article, just a link to his website. The article details a fairly regular life and wp:before isn't returning anything to satisfy gng. Tagged for notability and relatively few edits over the years. Szzuk (talk) 12:32, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • I don't think we should keep a
    WP:BLP with no refs (leaving aside whether those refs satisfy WP:V and WP:N). Szzuk (talk) 16:59, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply
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  • Keep There are plenty of sources
    WP:BEFORE: "If you find that adequate sources do appear to exist, the fact that they are not yet present in the article is not a proper basis for a nomination. Instead, you should consider citing the sources, ... or at minimum apply an appropriate template to the page that flags the sourcing concern." RebeccaGreen (talk) 00:49, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply
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In the time you took to quote policy you could have added those refs to the article. Szzuk (talk) 05:39, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I could have, and I often do during AfDs. However, when they are as easily findable as in this case, anyone could add them - it does not need access to subscription services to find and read these sources and add them as citations, as
WP:BEFORE suggests. RebeccaGreen (talk) 07:00, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply
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It is pretty easy to add refs too. (If you believe in them). Szzuk (talk) 07:17, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment, editors are under no obligation to add sources that they find/list at afds, and the above comment is a disservice to editors such as RebeccaGreen, who carry out the research that, given what has been found above, some nominators apparently cant be bothered with. Coolabahapple (talk) 05:30, 16 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Your comment is a personal attack- see
    WP:NPA. This matter appears resolved so your comment is not helpful. As a result of this conversation I've explicitly stated I've carried out WP:Before on subsequent AfD's. Szzuk (talk) 08:28, 16 January 2019 (UTC)[reply
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  • Keep. There's still work to be done, but I've added some additional citations and links. From the Spanish language research readily available he does appear notable and multiple sources mention his consideration as one of the masters of 20th century Mexican art. The article just needs to be improved by editors who can do Spanish language research.
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The result was draftify. czar 14:30, 21 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Davina veronica

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Appears to be an non notable personality. Unicorn212 (talk) 12:08, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Draftify Misplaced AfC submission. — CoolSkittle (talk) 15:32, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Draftify not currently suitable for mainspace, but AfC template suggests intent to improve --DannyS712 (talk) 17:12, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Tone 21:04, 21 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

People's Party (India)

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I've declined CSD (nominated under G11 and A7) because to my mind it reaches the CCS bar and is not unduly promotional. I lack the familiarity with Indian political topics to assess its notability and so am sending it to AfD for consideration. GoldenRing (talk) 11:37, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Does not meet

WP:GNG. RL0919 (talk) 14:54, 21 January 2019 (UTC)[reply
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Pat Noble

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Appears to be a non-notable politician who was elected to a local school board. There is a single HuffPo story and one from what looks like a local paper out there from when he was elected to the school board (referencing his youth and political affiliation), but that's about it. Article has been deleted twice before this. valereee (talk) 10:45, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep He's a national director of a national organization, seems notable enough and given outsized coverage for his one schoolboard position (normally hardly covered at all in local pages). JesseRafe (talk) 14:49, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The national organization has 1500 members, I think. valereee (talk) 15:28, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete According to the NPOL “Just being an elected local official, or an unelected candidate for political office, does not guarantee notability, although such people can still be notable if they meet the general notability guideline.” No general notability qualifications are shown here at all. Trillfendi (talk) 19:03, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep The website for the Socialist Party USA states that the subject is a national co-chair.
    WP:GNG pass. The previous XfD discussions occurred before his election as national co-chair. --Enos733 (talk) 21:50, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply
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Comment To start, the sourcing includes a profile in
WP:NPOL
), this sourcing would not be sufficient. However the subject is not just a school board member, but also a co-chair of a national political party.
In this case, the NJ.com and RedBankGreen profiles (independent of the subject and each other) provide a baseline of information to create a verifiable article about the subject, that is more than "he exists." There is no question that the subject is both an elected school board member and a co-chair of Socialist Party USA. There is additional verifiable information about the subject in reliable sources that could flesh out the article (even if each source by itself would not establish notability), through the form of quotations in mainstream newspapers (such as this article in Philly.com), interviews, or in relationship with other activities of the party (such as this AP article about the formation of a socialist USA chapter in Maine). So, I assert that the depth, range, and context equate to a GNG pass for a person who is "worthy of notice" because of his national position, that coverage of the subject exists over a period of time and in different contexts, and that the profiles in the New Jersey papers provide sufficient depth to write a solid article about the subject in combination with other RS material. --Enos733 (talk) 18:53, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
To start, I already addressed both the NJ.com and Huffington Post sources in the comment you replied to. NJ.com is the local coverage that every school board trustee everywhere could always show, thus not evidence that he's special, and Huffington Post is a second-tier source at best: acceptable for some additional referencing of stray facts after notability has already been covered off, but not in and of itself a notability clincher if it is the strongest evidence of notability on offer. And both of those are covering him in the context of being elected to a school board, not in the context of the role that could actually get him over the inclusion bar, so they're not building a strong case at all.
So let's move on to the new sources: RedBankGreen is an internet-only community hyperlocal, not a notability-making major media outlet — and being quoted about other subjects in newspaper articles that aren't about him doesn't help to bolster his notability if it hasn't already been nailed down by stronger sources, so none of those other sources are contributing a damn thing toward the question of whether he clears GNG or not. We're looking for coverage about him, not coverage about other things in which he happens to give soundbite.
So no, none of this is enough. Bearcat (talk) 23:20, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The question is not necessarily local v non-local sources (per se) for a position where "a genuinely substantial and well-referenced article" would generally be kept, but as you wrote in WP:Articles_for_deletion/Denis_Law_(politician), the question is "whether the sources support enough substance about the mayor to make the article worth bothering to read." My position is that the NJ.com profile (which is not usual coverage of a school board election, especially considering NJ.com is a statewide news organization) in combination with the RedBankGreen article and the glancing coverage in other sources, provides sufficient information to draft a substantial article about the subject (again, whose position as co-chair of a national political party, may normally be kept). While we may disagree whether the profiles do provide sufficient substance, those articles do provide information about the subject's educational background and political platform. Other RS articles cover his election to co-chair of Socialist Party USA. --Enos733 (talk) 18:02, 16 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Denis Law is or was a mayor, so he's not a relevant comparison here. The inclusion standard for mayors just requires us to be able to write a genuinely substantive article, and doesn't hinge as strongly on the localness or non-localness of the sources per se, but the inclusion standard for school board trustees is (purposely) much tighter and much more restrictive than that. A mayor can sometimes be considered notable without nationalizing sources, although he would still need more coverage than anybody demonstrated Law to actually have (which is why Law got deleted in the end) — but a person always requires much more nationalized coverage before they can be considered wikinotable for serving on a school board. So of the sources which have been shown so far, the couple that are substantively about Pat Noble are covering him only in the not inherently notable context of being elected to a school board, while the sources that have anything to do with the context that might make him notable are all just glancing namechecks of his existence in coverage of other things or people. So no, none of this is enough: the substantive sources are covering him in a non-notable context where a person requires much more coverage than that to be deemed notable in the first place, and the sources that actually verify his potential notability claim aren't substantive at all. And no, the fact that you can combine a couple of substantive sources in a non-notable context with unsubstantive sources that namecheck his existence in a potentially more notable context, while failing to say anything meaningful about his work in that potentially more notable context, does not add up to grounds for special treatment, either — to deem him notable, what we would require is sources that enabled us to write genuinely substantive and informative content about his work as a political party chair. Bearcat (talk) 22:53, 17 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
There is no disagreement about the inclusion standards. My point in making the comparison is that
WP:POLOUTCOMES) through primary sources and namechecks and quotes in other articles. Is this the greatest amount of sourcing for a subject - most likely not, but it is a) much more (and much more nationalized) than an average school board trustee, and b) his national party co-chair position makes him an individual that readers of this encyclopedia may be interested in (especially his background, which is all verifiable). This all said, I may be advancing a position that may not gain consensus here, and I am ok with that, but I do think we should think about the broader context of the position a person holds, general interest in similar positions, and whether there is sufficient verifiable information to write an article that is more than "they exist." In any case, if the position is not kept, there should be enough value to redirect to Socialist Party USA. --Enos733 (talk) 00:15, 18 January 2019 (UTC)    [reply
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The result was delete. czar 04:41, 21 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Elroy Air

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Fails

WP:CORP. One article/source, and while it's behind a paywall, it doesn't look like it's specifically about this startup. Clarityfiend (talk) 05:27, 7 January 2019 (UTC)[reply
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The ref is also about others as listed in
Aviation Week. Other news: Quartz or The Drive. Could be more apt as an aircraft article if needed.--Marc Lacoste (talk) 07:16, 7 January 2019 (UTC)[reply
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  • Delete. While I see some non-promotional independent sources on Elroy Air, this doesn't appear notable. $4.6M in seed money is remarkably tiny for an autonomous drone delivery enterprise. --Lockley (talk) 18:57, 16 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. czar 14:27, 21 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yasser Desai

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There is not even a single ref related to this article. Unicorn212 (talk) 09:27, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete. The problem isn't that the article doesn't have references - poor quality articles without references are routinely turned into better articles with sufficient references. But in this case there doesn't appear to be any independent reliable sources available to use as references Gnome de plume (talk) 22:58, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete We cannot keep articles on living people without references.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:38, 21 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. czar 14:27, 21 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Almost Legendary

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Non-notable music group, fails

WP:BAND. Survived a prod in 2011 based on the claim they played on the 2011 Vans Warped Tour however I have been unable to find any RS for this and provided reference does not mention it Greyjoy talk 09:21, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply
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  • Delete - the only release given in the band's discography is to Bright Lights, an E.P. which was self-released. Vorbee (talk) 10:46, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Didn't do enough or have sufficient impact to be of encyclopedic interest, even if we could find coverage. They appear to have played one date on the Vans Warped Tour (best source I could find: [57]), but this was apparently as winners of a 'battle of the bands' competition to play in their hometown show, and is not in itself a good reason to keep this.. --Michig (talk) 11:25, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. czar 14:24, 21 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Raja Handsome

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hyped or just a hoax. Unicorn212 (talk) 09:21, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. czar 14:23, 21 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Marc Martin

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A lawyer doing his job, voicing opinions on a topic in his field - in this case net neutrality. The vast majority of sources are articles about net neutrality that have one or two sentences of quotes from him (i.e. less than 95% of the articles' contents). There are no tangible articles about the person other than corporate PR. This is insufficient to establish notability. All the personal data seems to have been taken from the profile at his place of work. This is not an independent source. There are also questions about the original conception of this article which indicate PR-cruft. pseudonym Jake Brockman talk 08:23, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. czar 14:22, 21 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Deanna Loveland

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Subject does not appear to have been the subject of significant coverage in independent sources. Cordless Larry (talk) 08:15, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. as a

WP:BLP1E. RL0919 (talk) 14:45, 21 January 2019 (UTC)[reply
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Nick Fuentes

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  • Delete (as proposer) - Page's content isn't any indicative of the subject's notability. We don't give random white supremacist YouTubers a platform here. If merging to a larger related article isn't viable, this article should be deleted. Ewen Douglas (talk) 03:21, 7 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Reads entirely like an advertisement for this teenage clown's video of hatred. Fails
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  • Delete: it's a close one. I consider the
    independent and reliable
    . However, I am erring on the side of caution because:
  1. The majority of major media coverage both cited by the article and revealed by my own source searches refers not to Fuentes as an individual but as part of a collective group of far-right youths who attended the Unite the Right rally.
  2. The only
    BLP1E
    .
  3. Large portions of the article are supported by
    questionable
    sources.
  4. The article, in its current form, is rather
    promotional
    .
Edit: while I wholeheartedly agree with
It doesn't mean we have to like what they say
.
TL;DR: delete per
WP:BLP1E. SITH (talk) 16:58, 7 January 2019 (UTC)[reply
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Perhaps I should have wrote longer to clarify. I agree with what you said. What I meant was that such random alt right clowns don't deserve a place here. Our responsibility was to document high profile ones so that the public can read about them here.
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"Delete - Fails

WP:GNG. Don't think he's notable enough. Skirts89 (talk) 22:41, 7 January 2019 (UTC)[reply
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  • Delete Fails
    WP:GNG. PeterTheFourth (talk) 16:00, 8 January 2019 (UTC)[reply
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  • Keep Clearly passes
    WP:NOTCENSORED. First two delete !votes are making political judgements, not policy based arguments. Other delete !voters argue over content (eg. "notability not explained in article", "reads as promotional", etc). Tsumikiria's argument that "alt right clowns don't deserve a place here" is not a policy based argument. We cover all notable topics, not just the ones we like. The article needs to be improved; not deleted.--v/r - TP 03:07, 9 January 2019 (UTC)[reply
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comment: I'm not so sure about "clearly"; the three sources you mention all covered Fuentes within the span of one week, so that's not sustained coverage.
WP:SUSTAINED clearly states that if "reliable sources cover a person only in the context of a single event... we should generally avoid having a biographical article on that individual." There's no lasting coverage of him after that, only brief mentions. Ewen Douglas (talk) 13:34, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply
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  • Keep Passes
    talk) 19:11, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply
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comment: One of those new sources is a local newspaper, and the other is an editorial written about the author's personal experience with Fuentes during his college days. Not what I would call passing
WP:GNG level if that's all there is. Ewen Douglas (talk) 20:03, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply
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comment:' None of them are top tier RS, but there's certainly more: here, and here. Admittedly, those are not independent of the subject, but this is. Close call but I think he's past GNG.
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"None of them are top tier RS" - that's precisely the problem with this article. (Your 3rd link literally has 1 sentence on Fuentes in the entire article). The only RS that feature him are from one week in history, and there's only 3 of those (one of those 3 is actually a blog on MMfA, so not even that great). The rest of the mentions are all from very fringe sources. That's why he doesn't meet GnG. Ewen Douglas (talk) 21:40, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as per Ewen Douglas and StraussInTheHouse. Fails to meet the requirements for significant and sustained coverage of this particular individual. Bondegezou (talk) 16:06, 11 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, asserts notability with reliable sources. Amisom (talk) 19:42, 13 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    comment The reliable sources only cover him for one week, years ago, so no, there's no "notability with reliable sources" Ewen Douglas (talk) 19:44, 13 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    @
    WP:N is that the sources in the article as it stands are a legitimate assertion of notability. You're entitled to think that they're not. I disagree. Deal with it. Amisom (talk) 10:14, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply
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    I suppose one of us agrees with actual Wikipedia guidelines and the other disagrees with them, then. I would wager the person disagreeing would have the more difficult time "dealing with it." Ewen Douglas (talk) 13:35, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    May I suggest you reread Wikipedia:Consensus? I'm sure you think you're unquestionably right and that everyone else's view is wrong, biased, incorrect, against policy, foolish and idiotic. But Wikipedia tends to work on the basis of discussions, and two editors can disagree without either of them being 'wrong'. Let me also inform you that I, and I suspect most of the other people commenting here, will be able to cope without further hectoring from you. Allow this AfD to run its course. If the consensus goes in your favour, good for you. If it goes against you, tough. Sniping at people who disagree with you will not help your cause. Amisom (talk) 13:45, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't believe pointing out basic errors in stating Wikipedia policies qualifies as "sniping"; however, most of the statements you made above assume a great deal of things, both about me and other editors, so I would advise you to take your own advice about hectoring and sniping. Ewen Douglas (talk) 23:53, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    @Ewen Douglas: I didn't make a "basic error". I expressed my opinion. You might disagree. You might interpret the policy differently. That's fine. Doesn't mean I'm wrong - and I'm far from the only person who seems to have reached my conclusion here.
    If you need help understanding the difference between facts (which are right/ wrong and therefore might be erroneous) and opinions (which are neither right or wrong) then there are some resources here that might help you [59] Amisom (talk) 18:37, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    WP:TOOSOON per review of available sources which are in passing and/or blog-like. Not sufficient for a BLP at this time. K.e.coffman (talk) 20:17, 13 January 2019 (UTC)[reply
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Keep - All politics aside, I see a number of reliable sources on this article: Boston Globe, Reuters, NYT, Chicago Tribune, Mic, etc etc. Not sure I want to call Vice a reliable source, but that's here too. Seems to pass the minimum requirements for notability at the very least.
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It's a fair point, Cllgbksr, and perhaps that part should have been left out. I apologize, as I believe this is only my second deletion nomination, so I'm not well-practised at it. For the record, I know there are more white supremacists on Wikipedia who are definitely notable, and I nominated this one solely based on his lack of significant coverage over a long period of time. Ewen Douglas (talk) 13:55, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I do have the feeling that opposition to this article is largely coming from a place of dislike for the subject rather than Wikipedia guidelines.
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See my comment above. That's not the case, at least for me. Ewen Douglas (talk) 14:32, 16 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as non-notable per SITH's reasoning. --Lockley (talk) 20:44, 16 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    WP:GNG. GPL93 (talk) 14:50, 17 January 2019 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete. No barrier to creating a redirect from the properly-cased title. RL0919 (talk) 15:02, 21 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The Pain of An Empty Stomach

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Book lacks all notability, and is part from a long campaign to promote the author on enwiki. Very few sources even mention this book, and then they are only passing mentions. No good sources about the book itself.

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The result was delete. Galobtter (pingó mió) 06:44, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Palestinian Israelitism

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This article, which purports to give a name to a specific current of

WP:SYNTH at best. I wasn't able to find any mention of these terms in RS online, and an internet search for the Arabic term provided in the lead also returned no results. Thus, while some of this information could be incorporated into Palestinians, Palestinian nationalism or other existing articles that discuss Palestinian identity, I don't see any evidence that there should be a standalone article titled "Palestinian Israelitism". signed, Rosguill talk 21:50, 6 January 2019 (UTC)[reply
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The result was keep. The delete !voters were ignoring

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Rocket Watts

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Subject not sufficiently notable as does not meet

WP:GNG Lakers321 (talk) 06:46, 7 January 2019 (UTC)[reply
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  • Keep: he doesn't meet
    WP:GNG supersedes subject-specific notability guidelines and the article cites enough significant coverage in independent, reliable sources to meet the latter. However, I would be inclined to open a requested move to change from his nickname as it appears that the majority of sources refer to him by his first name, but that's an aside. SITH (talk) 10:41, 7 January 2019 (UTC)[reply
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  • Keep. We have a stricter standard of notability for high school athletes per
    The Detroit Free Press, and more. Cbl62 (talk) 19:01, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply
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The result was keep.

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Pixie Davies

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Let’s start with the obvious. The article does not cite any sources. I tried looking for any reliable sources but I’ve turned up nothing, which I chalk up to her being a child actress at the very beginning of her career. I looked at the first AfD for this page before coming here and they decided to keep because she meets NACTOR. So now we’re in a situation where we have to decide if career specific notability guidelines (NACTOR) is greater than the need for reliable citations for verification (GNG). As far as I’m concerned, I see this page as a much

too soon, regardless. Trillfendi (talk) 05:44, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply
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No one added them and the article stands empty of any references. Looking at the history of the article, the only references put since the first AfD was IMDb (unreliable therefore removed), FamousBirthdays (unreliable therefore removed), her Instagram account (unreliable therefore removed), and MovieWeb (unreliable therefore removed). If the sources Lourdes suggested had been added, Davies it still wouldn’t expand the article in any way. All that book offered was a trivia tidbit for for IMDb. The lead has a POV issue and is nothing more than a sentence rendition of what’s in the filmography table. Where is her career section? Trillfendi (talk) 06:45, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Keep Why do we have to decide "if career specific notability guidelines (NACTOR) is greater than the need for reliable citations for verification (GNG)"? (Though that is not all of what
    WP:AUTHOR #3, for example). As for "at the beginning of her career", she's been acting for 6 years, and has just had yet another major role! Please stop wasting our time with nominations of people who clearly meet career specific guidelines. RebeccaGreen (talk) 07:05, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply
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Acting for 6 years, 12 years old. Do the math on that. As for “wasting your time”, one could surmise that you’re wasting your time even being here in the first place. What it comes down to is this article has absolutely no references in it at all whether it relates toverification of roles stated here, notability, or anything. It cannot stay that way for as long as it has; and previous references put there were all unreliable. So I proposed deletion. Trillfendi (talk) 08:08, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I added some references. RebeccaGreen (talk) 09:39, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy Keep Article has references now, and nominatior seems to have an issue with our notability guidelines, which is far outside the scope of an AFD. JDDJS (talk to mesee what I've done) 12:50, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@JDDJS: I don’t have an issue with it, I’m just perplexed as to how the article was initially kept with NO references whatsoever, whether to verify roles or identify notability or anything at all. That’s the issue. (Having roles doesn’t automatically meet NACTOR). Trillfendi (talk) 16:52, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. czar 04:37, 21 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Brian R. McClure

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Non-notability Rhode Island Red (talk) 01:31, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. czar 04:34, 21 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Latitude and longitude of cities, A-H

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Indiscriminate list. All city articles already have coordinates and putting a random selection of them in alphabetical order is pointless. Even combined I see no reason to have this relic of a page. Reywas92Talk 01:29, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

These are actually useful though, unlike the nominated articles here. A sortable list would still be more convenient than looking up the parallels one by one. That said there is much room for improvement, for example entries such as Eureka should be either removed or marked differently from real cities. Also the two articles can be merged, possibly with List of cities by elevation as well. Esiymbro (talk) 05:59, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
But are they really? Who needs an indiscriminate list of cities like that? I'm not sure what this informs the reader of. Yeah, the parallels aren't good for looking at lots of places at, but I'm not sure what purpose these serve. Anyway I don't have to AFD them here but I'll do a merge. Reywas92Talk 08:24, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Sandstein 10:12, 21 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Radio Justice

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This is not an organisation. It's a campaign run by the

Stop Censorship About War Crimes ‎ . Rathfelder (talk) 22:45, 30 December 2018 (UTC)[reply
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  • Delete. This Radio Justice project ended in 2017 according to BIRN web pages. I would have said merge and redirect to
    Balkan Investigative Reporting Network, but that is a mere redirect to another of the network's projects, an online publication called Balkan Insight, also heavy on the promotional intent, that article also largely the product of a couple of single purpose accounts in 2008. As to Radio Justice, no sign of notability, and no future. --Lockley (talk) 08:48, 19 January 2019 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete. Sandstein 10:12, 21 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Association of Court Reporters

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This is not an organisation. It's a campaign run by the

Stop Censorship About War Crimes and Radio Justice . Rathfelder (talk) 22:42, 30 December 2018 (UTC)[reply
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The result was redirect to Balkan Insight. Content can be merged from history. Sandstein 10:11, 21 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

TV Justice

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This is not an organisation. It's a campaign run by the

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The result was deleted by RHaworth - the article was deleted by RHaworth (log) per

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6-inch gun M1917

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I messed up creating this article. The source I used misidentified the gun as being built in the USA and based on the BL 6-inch Mk.VIII naval gun when it's actually a variant of the BL 6-inch Mk.XIX gun. I should have suspected as much when I couldn't find any other references to it. A redirect to the Brazilian section and expansion of that section in the Mk.XIX article would be more appropriate. Snowdawg (talk 22:02, 31 December 2018‎ (UTC)[reply]

Chamberlain, Peter (1975). Heavy artillery. Gander, Terry,. New York: Arco. p. 43. ISBN 0668038985. OCLC 2143869. Snowdawg (talk 23:56, 31 December 2018‎ (UTC)[reply]

It may interest you that Glen Williford's 2016 book on US mobile artillery has a decent section on this gun, but does leave the reader guessing as to where it was made. This is a great source for anything US-made or used 1875–1953. RobDuch (talk) 03:56, 1 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Williford, Glen (2016). American Breechloading Mobile Artillery, 1875-1953. Atglen, PA: Schiffer Publishing, Ltd. .
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  • Redirect as suggested. Only one ref says the US type is real, it can be an interesting mention on the main page. They seem to know what they are on about, give them what they want.(Dushan Jugum (talk) 07:19, 14 January 2019 (UTC)).[reply]
I second that, just do it yourself. Snowdawg. (Dushan Jugum (talk) 23:31, 14 January 2019 (UTC)).[reply]
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The result was delete. czar 04:09, 21 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Industries et Agro-Ressources

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References fail the criteria in

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  • Delete I'm reluctant to delete anarticle abouta Frenchinstitution that theFrench WP considers notable enough to cover, but, just as the nom says, it does not meet our standards. There's nothing addition in the rench version tohelp. DGG ( talk ) 21:45, 8 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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    WP:GNG. We find only advertorials, listings in catalogues, or corporate sites. -The Gnome (talk) 18:10, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete. czar 14:15, 21 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Nurali Aliyev

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I'm nominating this page for deletion on the grounds that it consists almost entirely of promotional content. I spent some time looking at it and trying to assess what needed to be removed, and came to the conclusion that it's unsalvageable. However, rather than speedy, I'm looking for other opinions. Deb (talk) 11:31, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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