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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:07, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jon Man-ho

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 23:57, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:10, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Fails
WP:SPORTSPERSON. No significant coverage of him at all. — YoungForever^(talk) 22:45, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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The result was soft delete‎. Based on

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Ri Jo-guk

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Article fails WP:GNG. All sources are match reports. Simione001 (talk) 23:55, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment – Do sources of footballer club/national team debut and them scoring goals count as significant coverage, or are they more like routine? ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 10:27, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- It should ultimately depend on how in-depth the coverage of the subject is. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:02, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:09, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Choe Ok-chol

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:09, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. With no views to delete, the discussion about potential redirect or merge can continue editorially. Owen× ☎ 12:27, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

An Chol-hyok

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Article fails WP:GNG. Zero references on article. Redirect to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea_national_football_team#Top_goalscorers Simione001 (talk) 23:47, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect per nomination. Corresponding article on Korean Wikipedia is also unsourced. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 10:23, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect as above. Played a 2 major tournaments so there should be sources, but none located. Giant Snowman 18:09, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Clariniie and GiantSnowman: What's wrong with this source? It also mentions that there's apparently a story on him in the Choson Sinbo, although I can't find it. BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:14, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
One source on its own is insufficient. Giant Snowman 19:45, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@GiantSnowman: Though, it seems to mention that there's another story on him in the Choson Sinbo? BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:50, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That story could be a 3,000 word overview, or it could be a 3 line puff piece. Giant Snowman 20:35, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Possible, though, considering that we have already a pass of
WP:SPORTCRIT (which states that it means more sigcov is 'likely'), the appearance of another offline newspaper article on him, and a top player for a very under-developed and difficult-to-find-sources-for nation, I'm not sure I see deletion as the best course of action. BeanieFan11 (talk) 21:00, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Keep let's not be dumb here - he was in the 23-man squad for the World Cup for a country that is famously difficult to find sources for, there's one good article directly on him currently in the article, and the odds that there have been nothing else written about him are incredibly close to zero. I know we've been eliminating bad sports stubs of late, but deleting this one makes absolutely no sense to me. SportingFlyer T·C 22:55, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Convinced by SportingFlyer. Also, not that it definitively establishes notability, but the fact that 21 other languages have articles on An should say something... BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:05, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep—I’m with the two above for the same reasons they expressed. I’ve made this same argument before, especially in the relation to North Korea. There are a bunch of largely useless North Korean articles around here, and I appreciate all the moves to delete them, but this one should not fall under that general umbrella. Anwegmann (talk) 07:09, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: the article is now referenced and he took part in a football World Cup, besides playing for a long time for the national team. Rkieferbaum (talk) 10:34, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:10, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jerry Newton

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The article seems to attempt to inherit notability from

WP:NACTOR. Releasing records does not mean notability, nor does a bit part in an episode of Bonanza where he is listed as a cast member, but his part was not a named character. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 12:45, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply

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Delete - I agree with the nominator, as Jerry had a minor career as an entertainer but with no achievements on his own that satisfy our notability requirements. He is only mentioned briefly in sources about his much more famous brother. This article is probably an attempted
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Delete
WP:NOTMEMORIAL certainly and his career is alongside his brother, then minor bit parts and a lawsuit...— Iadmc ♫^talk 20:44, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Comment: Jerry is mentioned in Wayne Newton § Early years, but that doesn't really look promising as a redirect target. Maybe a suitable Fandom/Miraheze site can accept what currently passes for this brother's article? (Disclaimer: A recent Teahouse thread brought me here.) --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 08:54, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Wayne Newton. There's potential for five extra articles that can have him as a redirect. Simple solution and we can also preserve the history as well. Cheers Karl Twist (talk) 03:27, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:11, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Era Tak

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Fails

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Delete per nomination, still not yet notable per
WP:CREATIVE. Couldn't find SIGCOV in RS in English or Hindi (इरा टाक) - apart from what's cited here already all I could find was a typical WP:NEWSORGINDIA softball interview on News 18. Wikishovel (talk) 05:26, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Delete Fails
WP:SIGCOV. The article seems to be more promotional. Ciudatul (talk) 10:12, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Delete. Poor unreliable sources on the page. Page reads as publicity
WP:PROMO. Fails notability with no significant achievement or influence notable by the subject. RangersRus (talk) 14:10, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Delete per nomination. Agree with others that this is a poorly ref-bombed
WP:PROMO. No significant coverage. --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 01:16, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:12, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Daren Streblow

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Highly promotional article (more in the history) of a non-notable comedian. Not a single acceptable secondary source proving notability is included and I can't find any--it's all announcements and links to his podcast on Google (including News and Books). This is the best I can find. Drmies (talk) 21:57, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nomination.
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Delete: per the original nomination, he seems famous to some degree but little notability Wiiformii (talk) 02:41, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Fails both
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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 00:41, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dean Ebarle

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a Filipino men's footballer, to meet

WP:SPORTCRIT. Contested PROD. JTtheOG (talk) 17:46, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:19, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - I researched Dean Ebarle, it has some notability, being the defender for a popular football team, im not that much interested in football, so correct me or ping me if im wrong.

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Can you present the sources of your research? Svartner (talk) 17:13, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. No one has unearthed any SIGCOV of this player and there is no evidence that any might exist. JoelleJay (talk) 20:46, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Jon Molloy

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Poorly sourced rugby BLP. All I found were transactional announcements (1, 2, 3) and a routine injury update (1). There seem to be multiple redirect candidates (List of Wakefield Trinity players, List of Salford Red Devils players). JTtheOG (talk) 19:40, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak Keep Some non-routine coverage here. I'm a bit surprised I couldn't find more for someone who made nearly 50 Super League appearances. Perhaps someone can add more using offline sources, as a lot of websites unfortunately haven't kept archives during the time period he played in. J Mo 101 (talk) 09:47, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Sufficiently soured in my opinion. Mn1548 (talk) 16:49, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep There seem to be a few articles with more than trivial mention. Given the time period, I also suspect there may be additional sources out there that are not reflected by internet sources. At least weak support for keeping. – notwally (talk) 23:35, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Baffled at the assertions of SIGCOV here. The source linked above is 229 words, of which all but ~5 sentences are direct quotes. The remainder include a couple sentences summarizing what he says in a quote (not independent analysis) and/or relating "what he feels" (ditto), e.g. But after a lengthy time rehabilitating, Molloy is now over the worst of it. and The young forward is hoping to push on and make a big impression with the Giants. With last season almost being forgotten about, Molloy now can set out some targets to work towards – and again it may also involve going out on loan., both of which are immediately followed by more detailed quotes from him. Essentially the only secondary independent coverage is a single sentence mentioning he missed a season due to injury. Nowhere near IRS SIGCOV. This is also a British player from the 2010s, well into the internet news era in a country with highly accessible digital media, so I am very skeptical of claims that coverage exists offline somewhere. JoelleJay (talk) 21:02, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of Wakefield Trinity players: Thorough source analysis by JoelleJay removes the basis for standalone notability. Owen× ☎ 12:32, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Strong sources to support the importance of that person. Normanhunter2 (talk) 15:08, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Owen× ☎ 13:49, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nana Wanjau

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Non-notable businesswoman and "philanthropist." Sources do not support notability under

WP:INTERVIEW, and it makes major errors (for example, stating that she left a highly-paid corporate job in a year when she would have been 20). Dclemens1971 (talk) 20:38, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply

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Keep - I have reorganized the article and added some news articles sources from Gale. The top two references are here:^[1]^[2] The Mkazi article mentioned above also provides biographical details. I updated the citation for the Mkazi article, and other inactive URLs, to use archived URLs. DaffodilOcean (talk) 12:30, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@DaffodilOcean I think you should link Gale to Gale (publisher) instead of gale (a kind of wind). Toadspike [Talk] 10:55, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Munde, Claire (October 22, 2016). "I blend my charity work with personal growth". The Star (Nairobi, Kenya) – via Gale.
^ "No husband no dignity? Group helps widows rebuild their lives". The Star (Nairobi, Kenya). July 15, 2017 – via Gale.

Can you provide some details on what the second Star source you cited says since there appears to be no online version? Thanks! The first one (link here) is a

WP:INTERVIEW and thus would not qualify for notability. As for the Mkazi piece, it was a lifestyle blog with no named editors or legitimate editorial process and thus cannot be a reliable source for purposes of notability. Dclemens1971 (talk) 12:44, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply

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The second article is 1300 words on the charity founded by Wanjau. Also, I would argue that the first source I provided includes expansion of the conversation with Wanjau, and thus showing 'depth of preparation' that would be needed to establish notability as is quoted in the essay you linked. DaffodilOcean (talk) 13:26, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1300 words on Wanjau or on her charity? Re: the Star interview, every other paragraph is a quote from Wanjau. There are no quotes from other interviewees, and she appears to be the sole source relied upon by the interviewer, which shows the opposite of "depth of preparation." Dclemens1971 (talk) 13:34, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article you cannot access is about her charity and biographical details on her. I stand by my statements that the citations I provide were more than interviews; the Mkazi piece and the lengthy editorial from Parents Africa are also more than interviews. At this point I leave it to other people to comment. DaffodilOcean (talk) 23:10, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. You may be able to access Gale databases through your local public library. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 01:02, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: let's not ignore the fact that internet sources in Africa are scarcer than in Europe or the US. A lot of media outlets there generate online content mainly on social networks which we would normally avoid (just one example: an interview on a major TV network there. Rkieferbaum (talk) 10:46, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep There are enough sources to meet the GNG. I don't like they focus so much on the subject's charitable work, almost making them puff pieces, but I doubt they are paid and they clearly consitute significant coverage. @
the Wikipedia Library. Hopefully these links work: [1][2]. Alternatively, you can just search for the titles (without any punctuation marks) at this search page. The second one is clearly not an interview – for the first one it's debatable. Toadspike [Talk] 11:07, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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The result was no consensus‎. Strong arguments on both sides, and a solid merge proposal, but no consensus emerging after two weeks despite the broad participation, making it unlikely we'd see a consensus materialize by relisting. Owen× ☎ 22:19, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All Eyes on Rafah

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This article is about a social media slogan, with the thumbnail - essentially its main bit - a social media AI generated image which was trending on Instagram on two days. The slogan gained traction as it was used by, among many others, many social media influencers. In accordance to

WP:RECENT as a whole (because it is a small event belonging to the Rafah offensive), I believe this article should be deleted. A bit about this can be added to the "international reaction" header in the Rafah offensive article, but it should not exist standalone Pharaoh496 (talk) 21:28, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply

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Keep as it had a seismic impact, especially in allowing broader acceptance in having pro-Palestinian views. In the same way the black squares in the BLM movement swept across platforms in 2020, All Eyes of Rafah was a turning point for many in Instagram and beyond, and detailing its impact would be too long for a comfortable read in the Rafah offensive page. This page does just that, and to simplify it wouldn't do justice to the shockwaves they've presented. It may have a minute effect on the grand scheme of things in politics, but it sure swayed the limit of what's deemed acceptable across international communities and societies. Azurevanilla ash (talk) 16:31, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Like you said, it has had a minute effect on the grand scheme of things in politics. If it turns out to be more significant in the future, it can be recreated. Not right not. Pharaoh496 (talk) 06:53, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per
WP:NOTNEWS. We aren't responsible for cataloguing every single viral phenomenon, ever. If this proves to have enough significance to be covered a year or two from now, then maybe we can re-create then. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 23:55, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Delete per
~~WP:NOT. This topic is discussed in reliable sources but does not meet the additional criteria for a standalone page. Dclemens1971 (talk) 05:03, 12 June 2024 (UTC)~~ See updated comment below Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:40, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Keep the interest in this topic as a new phenomenon in global conflict media has continued. See for example, a 25 minute TV program aired yesterday, and an AP explainer from last week. If organizations like these can create post-fact focused articles and programs on the topic, it is equally appropriate for Wikipedia. Onceinawhile (talk) 06:59, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Like I and other users have mentioned, it violated
WP:NOT. A paragraph or even 2 can be included on the main rafah page instead Pharaoh496 (talk) 07:16, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Delete. I concur that
WP:NOTNEWS are violated by this article. Garsh (talk) 18:54, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Delete per NOT, though maybe a few sentences could be salvaged into some other articles. FortunateSons (talk) 14:24, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete this flavor of the day campaign per NOT and NOTNEWS. gidonb (talk) 15:49, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can you explain how this violates
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routine news coverage of announcements. gidonb (talk) 02:50, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete . Wikipedia is not a directory for every internet slogan. Hogo-2020 (talk) 08:12, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep People voting delete perhaps have a case for the abstract "slogan", but that's not all this article represents.

The most notable aspect of this phrase is the viral AI-generated image that was shared over 50 million times on Instagram, generating worldwide headlines specifically focused on the image. The AI-generated image and associated online protest clearly meet GNG with massive coverage in every top newspaper. Multiple facets of the AI image are covered in reliable sources that bring it beyond

WP:NOTNEWS

:

Comparisons with Blackout Tuesday and other "online protests". Image has already been held up as an example of performative activism and surely will continue to be referenced as such in the future.
Early high-profile AI image. "All Eyes on Rafah" has been shared over 50 million times, making it one of the most seen / most shared AI images of all time right at the cusp of this "AI boom" that's currently happening. This image is going to forever have a place in the history of early Artificial intelligence art.
Usage of AI in political/social movements,
deepfakes, Artificial intelligence in government, etc. This "All Eyes on Rafah" image has already spawned discussion about the ethics of the use of AI images in political movements, and is sure to continue to be referenced as such. Such as yesterday in the Washington Post
: Deepfakes and AI-generated images have been around for several years, but as the technology improves and the tools to make them become widely available, they’ve become increasingly common on social media platforms. An AI-generated image of a sprawling refugee camp with the words “All Eyes on Rafah” went viral in late May as a way for people to show their support for Palestinians in Gaza. As major elections take place across the globe, some politicians have tried to use fake images to make their opponents look bad.

The image has cited "enduring notability" in reliable sources, passing the

WP:NOTNEWS bar. The image has already prompted re-analysis on the above facets in the weeks since it went viral. PK-WIKI (talk) 21:34, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply

]

Each and every reason which you have given does not make sense for the given page:

The article, not the picture is being nominated here for deletion. The image may / may not exist on here or on commons - as it is the most notable aspect of the article. It does not warrant an entire article for itself.

Blackout Tuesday was an event. A phenomenon. It does not compare to a mere hashtag - version of an AI image which lasted for 24 hours on social media - without materialising. Thats exactly why part of this should be added to Rafah or sample AI pages and not have one of its own.

Pharaoh496 (talk) 08:44, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article is mainly about the image and associated social media protest. It's perfectly valid to write encyclopedia articles about notable images. The AI image does warrant an entire article for itself, based on its cited coverage in reliable sources.

50 million people posting this image was also an event/phenomenon. It was directly compared to Blackout Tuesday by myriad reliable sources. Any deletion arguments here apply equally to Blackout Tuesday; neither should be deleted. The next significant coverage about the next social media protest in the future will surely mention both.

PK-WIKI (talk) 17:06, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, this article isnt about the image. Its about the phenomenon Pharaoh496 (talk) 21:08, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per NOTNEWS. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:41, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: per PK-WIKI. The image was specifically covered for being AI-generated, which will have a long-term impact. C F A 💬 14:38, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not a valid reason - thats the image you are talking about. That image can exist on commons or whatever. It does not warrant its own article, as per reasons I and other users have given above Pharaoh496 (talk) 08:40, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
An encyclopedia article can be written about a notable image or photograph. We have thousands of such articles on wikipedia. PK-WIKI (talk) 15:59, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Pharaoh496: What are you talking about? I don't understand. Obviously an image can have an article, just like any other topic on Wikipedia. C F A 💬 18:21, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This article is NOT centred on the image. It is centred on an internet phenomenon and not an image Pharaoh496 (talk) 19:47, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@PK-WIKI Pharaoh496 (talk) 19:47, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per the GNG, has generated widespread coverage across a range of sources. For example, these sources are all entirely devoted to covering this event:

Associated Press
Al-Jazeera
NBC News
BBC
NPR (which calls it the internet's most viral AI-created image ever)
Vox
Time
Washington Post
Wired
The National (UAE)
France 24

Along with articles covering the phrase along with the image such as the NYTimes. No actual case for deletion exists here, this clears the GNG easily. nableezy - 16:53, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There was also news of "

Where is Kate"? And that article is deleted. You have not said any reason how it supports wikipedia's scope to be here. Pharaoh496 (talk) 11:36, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply

]

Wikipedia covers notable events, this is one per the sources I just cited. nableezy - 17:54, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is not always the case, as @Vegan416 has explained below Pharaoh496 (talk) 19:49, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per NOTNEWS. Vegan416 (talk) 17:52, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
NOTNEWS is about routine news coverage, not full length articles about an event. It simply does not apply here, and no matter how many people parrot the same bogus claim it remains a bogus claim. nableezy - 19:22, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This can hardly be described as an event... Vegan416 (talk) 07:39, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That is based on nothing. The sources are clearly treating it as noteworthy event and are giving it in depth coverage. nableezy - 17:52, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I can find you more reliable sources covering in depth each and every ball game in the NBA or NFL or Premiere League or Champion League in the last 50 years. Yet we do not have wikipedia articles for each and every one of them. Vegan416 (talk) 14:22, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Nableezy's list of sources above. Additionally, most slogans don't receive even a fraction of the coverage this one has clearly received, especially through
primary source. B3251_(talk) 02:01, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
]
- Having sources does not warrant having an article for an internet phenomenon which did not last for over thirty-six hours.
- The article is predominantly about an image. The image can exist on commons and information / events can be put in other places.
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A political slogan is not an “internet phenomenon which did not last for over thirty-six hours.” Somebody in favor of deleting Blackout Tuesday, which drew many parallels with this, could use the same argument; that does not make it true nor does it warrant deletion for that article or this one. Unless we know where exactly information about this can be merged into, we shouldn’t be vaguely suggesting that it should just be moved somewhere else. B3251_(talk) 16:21, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Its a pro-palestine slogan, yes. But the reason it gaines coverage is because of the internet phenomenon. No materialistic action/event took place.

I have an opinion on where it could be merged - Rafah offensive where it gained traction. In the reactions section.

Pharaoh496 (talk) 17:52, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The event is the 50 million people sharing it. nableezy - 17:53, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
44 million

It lasted for thirty-six hours! How is gonna pass any ten year test when it cant pass the ten month test?

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Keep per Nableezy's list, Huldra (talk) 21:56, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per the exhaustive source list provided by Nableezy. A huge chunk of high quality sources that are explicitly about the image and slogan makes me extremely confused by the voters claiming this somehow fails GNG. How? Similarly, simply saying "This fails WP:NOT", isn't helpful, which part? NOTNEWS specifics "Routine news coverage", which these articles clearly aren't. The coverage here makes this an obvious keep. Parabolist (talk) 22:58, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just to clarify here, those in favor of deleting have not argued against this meeting GNG, but rather primarily NOT and NOTNEWS, albeit quite vaguely. B3251_(talk) 23:56, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and move to another article as per
WP:NOTNEWS. Also compare with Yes We Can. Augu Maugu ♨ 03:42, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
]
And right below that is Obama's "Hope" poster, which has it's own article. Parabolist (talk) 11:16, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Good point. Should be deleted also. No agitprop on Wikipedia. Tkaras1 (talk) 19:39, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Nableezy's sources, some of which show significant socio-political commentary.
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Keep per the amount of coverage provided by Nableezy. There's enough depth here to justify an article. ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 10:36, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Pass
WP:GNG, Youknowwhoistheman (talk) 11:33, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
]

Delete: per
NOTDIARY. Closer to agitprop, actually. Tkaras1 (talk) 19:33, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Strong Keep: per above. Lionel Cristiano^? 00:05, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Major news outlets like Al-Jazeera, Time, BBC, and Washington Post have all covered the event. This coverage clearly meets
WP:GNG. Waqar💬 20:30, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Keep per Nableezy's sources User:Sawerchessread (talk) 21:03, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as this is viral news that is making an impact worldwide. Ibn Juferi (talk) 11:26, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What impact exactly, elaborate? Pharaoh496 (talk) 19:52, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to
WP:NSUSTAINED impact of the hashtag and whether it will be an enduring subject, merging to Rafah offensive allows future readers to have appropriate context. Should it be truly sustained, it can be broken out as a standalone article in the future. Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:40, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
]
We already do have sustained, retrospective coverage and analysis of the AI image in the weeks after it went viral:
Bloomberg, June 17: ‘All Eyes on Rafah’ Campaign Presages a Wave of AI Activism

Time, June 6: From Papua to the DRC, the 'All Eyes on...' Social Media Campaign Looks Beyond Rafah

These articles do not mention "the Rafah offensive" at all, making that merge destination inappropriate. The focus of the sustained analysis is on the AI image and the usage of the "All Eyes on..." snowclone phrase in other protests. PK-WIKI (talk) 16:34, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You havent answered properly. This does not need a standalone page. Pharaoh496 (talk) 19:50, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

NO OBJECTION to this compromise. I have expressed my opinion elsewhere so please only count this as a reaction to a specific proposal. gidonb (talk) 02:46, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If this article is about "All Eyes on..." images as an independent concept, then the sourcing is far thinner for a standalone page. The page would need to reflect that rather than focus on the Rafah image as the article does now. Dclemens1971 (talk) 13:18, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: per
NOTDIARY. Really? A MEME that is popular for five minutes gets a Wiki article? Perhaps a sentence on some other article, about the Rafah offensive? DaringDonna (talk) 20:02, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
]
This was not a meme? I'm not sure what you're referring to. C F A 💬 15:39, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It IS a short-spanned phenomenon that came and went. If a resolution for this is passed, about a thousand other trends and news items should get their artcle - with everyone being able to come up with examples Pharaoh496 (talk) 17:28, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is no indication that the slogan has had a definite timeline. Considering that it has been used as far back as February, and that the offensive has showed no signs of ending, I am confused as to under which manner it has "came and went". SomethingAppealing (talk) 21:20, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Couple of things to unpack here:
The invasion began in Feb, not the slogan officially

All those advocating for keep are confused as to whether this is an article for the slogan, or for the image. There are many above who say that "this image" should have an article. Thats not really required as the image can just exist on commons with some words on ai/instagram ewlated articles. As far as the slogan is concerned - the slogan has currently vanished 99% from social media. So the use of this image has diminished. It remains agitprop at this time to have its own article. It WAS popular for five minutes, as mentioned by @DaringDonna.

"The offensive has showed no signs of ending" the length of a conflict as a whole does not dictate the validity of an early visible trend which people got to see.

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Hull & District League

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Redirect to Yorkshire Men's League, which is effectively the successor competition to this league. J Mo 101 (talk) 21:54, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yorkshire Men's League appers to be the successor of the RLC Yorkshire Premier from what is written on the pages. Mn1548 (talk) 15:01, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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So the Cumberland League is the league refered to as "Cumbria Rugby League" on the RFL website and not this one? Mn1548 (talk) 14:00, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, the top division of by the looks of it [4]. Mn1548 (talk) 14:09, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep This league is now known as the "Iggesund Cumberland ARL". Article needs improving, but there appears to be quite a bit of coverage available on TotalRL and various Cumbrian news websites [5] [6] [7]. J Mo 101 (talk) 12:26, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Following suggested redirects to this page and the given sources above: Keep and rename to "Cumbria Rugby League" per RFL website. Mn1548 (talk) 14:11, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Non notable whistle stop on the Canadian National transcontinental line. Not even a stain station, this is just a spot along the tracks where the train will stop and let you off. –dlthewave ☎ 21:04, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. No significant coverage from independent sources. Provided sources mention it as a dot on a map, nothing more. Astaire (talk) 21:17, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to the appropriate list of stops (if one doesn't exist, create it first). Thryduulf (talk) 09:23, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to The Canadian#Winnipeg to Toronto as ATD Jumpytoo Talk 04:53, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Minnesota–Penn State football rivalry

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This was soft deleted earlier this year and recreated, however the previous rationale for deleting this article remains, in that there is a lack of
WP:GNG. Don't think this qualifies for a speedy deletion, so bringing it to AfD. Let'srun (talk) 20:17, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Delete: Nom has the right of this; there's nothing here that indicates this is a notable rivalry. Fails
WP:GNG. UtherSRG (talk) 21:58, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Delete as a general practice, we have avoided sports rivalry articles unless there is a great deal of history and coverage. To me, this one doesn't meet muster or spirit for inclusion. I encourage enthusiastic editors to
try another wiki such as an online sports almanac for details like this.--Paul McDonald (talk) 18:32, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Delete per above.
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Delete fails GNG as a non-notable football series. Even though the teams have a traveling trophy, that does not guarantee a "rivalry" article. There is no significant coverage of these two teams as being rivals. Frank Anchor 18:56, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and Rename to Governor's Victory Bell. The trophy and series between the teams is notable and meets GNG per the sources below (and others), which have been written regularly since the trophy was first awarded in 1993. The sources specifically call out the trophy's creation with regards to Penn State's membership in the Big Ten, a conference well known for a multitude of trophies.

https://www.newspapers.com/article/centre-daily-times-lions-gophers-to-bat/149782121/

https://www.newspapers.com/article/centre-daily-times-ring-that-bell-nitta/149783217/

https://www.newspapers.com/article/pittsburgh-post-gazette-trophy-rings-bel/149782241/

https://www.newspapers.com/article/kenosha-news-broken-trophy-no-problem-fo/149782393/

https://www.newspapers.com/article/lnp-always-lancaster-so-so-many-trophie/149783811/

There is no requirement that a Wikipedia article on the history of competition between two teams must be a capital-"R" RIVALRY. An article can be written about a series or a trophy, assuming it meets GNG and the significant coverage goes beyond
WP:ROUTINE recaps of the games, which the sources above do. PK-WIKI (talk) 19:42, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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These references all basically explain that the trophy is awarded to the winner of the game, surrounded by other
WP:ROUTINE coverage (such as a pre/postgame report or a list of other traveling trophies). It does nothing to describe a rivalry between the two teams, and a traveling trophy is not inherently notable. In addition, if the article is kept, which I oppose, I believe the name should stay as is; articles about other college football games played for a traveling trophy are named "X-Y rivalry" and not after the trophy. Frank Anchor 20:18, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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The references don't need to describe a rivalry between the teams, as there is no requirement that teams must be "rivals" to write a Wikipedia article about their notable series or trophy. The references above do provide significant, non-routine coverage of the trophy and series, making this article an easy keep under the name Governor's Victory Bell.

There are plenty of series listed at List of NCAA college football rivalry games where the article takes the name of the trophy, such as Wagon Wheel (trophy), Governor's Cup (Kentucky), Jefferson-Eppes Trophy, Gansz Trophy, Victory Bell (Cincinnati–Miami), etc. Those are far better names than "...football series" in my opinion, in cases such as this where "...football rivalry" is perhaps inappropriate or "not a true rivalry".

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Still a non-notable series. The presence of a traveling trophy and the routine coverage you mentioned earlier does not change that. Frank Anchor 01:15, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to OneRepublic discography#Live albums. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 23:12, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

One Night in Malibu

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There's almost a complete lack of secondary news sources on this album. The first two sources are about the "digital experience" video event rather than the album, and one of those, uDiscover Music, is a news site owned by Universal Music Group. It received no reviews from notable outlets (the one on the article is a college student reviewing the album, not a professional music critic, and the only other source I found through Google is a WordPress blog), and didn't chart, so I think it should be redirected to OneRepublic discography as it's still a valid redirect. Ss112 19:59, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: One mention in American Songwriter [8] is all I could find. Not enough for an article here. Oaktree b (talk) 21:05, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to OneRepublic discography#Live albums per above. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 01:18, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Humberto Bruni Lamanna

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Non-notable per
WP:BLP apparently unsourced since its creation in 2007. The only confirmation I could find in reliable sources that he exists is a passing mention in this paper about his father, and no confirmation of any of the claims made of his performances and inventions. His father es: Blas Bruni Celli seems notable, but on Wikipedia, notability is not inherited. Wikishovel (talk) 19:31, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Delete, non-notable vanity page. Astaire (talk) 21:20, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎ after the nomination was withdrawn. Owen× ☎ 13:52, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ahmed Farah Dualeh

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This is possibly a hoax. I've moved the discussion over from
Ahmed Madobe
as the president in the infobox. The results of my research were: Google: I could not find any reliable sources to support the claim that he is the president of Jubaland, or even that he exists. Most sources are either clones of Wikipedia or social media accounts. JSTOR: Searching "Ahmed Farah Dualeh" in quotes had zero results. Searching "Ahmed Dualeh" in quotes had a six results. Some of the results are about Elmi Ahmed Dualeh, which I initially believed that "Elmi" was some sort of Somalian title, which I wasn't familar with. However, it is not, as the papers refer to Elmi Ahmed Duale. One result, Against All Odds: The History of Archaeological Research in Somaliland and Somalia, says The most remarkable of these students is Ahmed Dualeh Jama, who published his PhD on Mogadishu; so talks about a different person who has the same first and middle name. The article was created, with the claim that he is the president of Jubaland, over fourteen years ago.
~~However, after this discussion I would keep.~~ Following on from research, I would !vote to Merge this article with Præsidenten fra Nordvest. The documentary is independently notable with the Danish sources I've found. Most of the sources I've found on Dualeh tie his notability to the film. Svampesky (talk) 18:58, 11 June 2024 (UTC); modified 16:35, 12 June 2024 (UTC); modified 14:37, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I have had to remove the URL as malware. There are no sources.
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Special:Diff/1228531930, I'm assuming. Thank you for checking. When I tried it, I got a "Deceptive website warning" and didn't know if it was a false-positive or not. Svampesky (talk) 19:18, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Searching the Somali form of his name, Axmed Faarax Ducaale, does turn up a few hits that support his work with the Somali community in Denmark, notably this call-in segment on VOA Somali. 2018 visit to Garbahare (described as an expatriate), 2015 comments on Ethiopian intervention in Gedo (described as a politician), and a 2014 conference of intellectuals (described as speaking for the Sade community). There's also a 2013 news blog describes him as "Foreign President of the Jubbaland State Administration" (not
WP:N, but the statement about being president is definitely more aspirational than actual. —Carter (Tcr25) (talk) 20:01, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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It looks like he's also the subject of the 2017 Danish movie WP:N. —Carter (Tcr25) (talk) 20:14, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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I was unable to find the documentary available anywhere. The production company is listed on IMDb as Film & TV-Compagniet ApS, which translates to "Film & TV Company Ltd." I'm assuming (hoping) it's a
does what it says on the tin company. I found their contact information here and I'll email them to request a free copy of the film for the purpose of editing Wikipedia. Before I do this, could anyone advise whether this might go against any Wikipedia policies, such as conflict of interest, primary sources, or original research? The documentary could provide valuable insights and guide where to look on further research for the article. Svampesky (talk) 16:46, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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It looks like the film is available to stream at Filmcentralen [9], which needs a subscription from a Danish educational institution, and Filmstriben [10], which only works if you have access to a library in Denmark. Malerisch (talk) 17:22, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have access to the film, and I've found lots of Danish sources about it. I have also
boldly created Præsidenten fra Nordvest, per the clear growing consensus that the article on Dualeh will be kept. Svampesky (talk) 18:19, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Pasting my comment from Wikipedia talk:List of hoaxes on Wikipedia here:

This isn't a hoax, but "Jubaland" is a bit misleading here. In ~2010, Somalia was embroiled in a certain civil war (it's still ongoing); much of the region of Jubaland was (and still is) occupied by al-Shabaab. One consequence of this is that a bunch of self-declared mini-states were established, many with competing claims and no de-facto control. This article from Somalia Report has more detail on the mini-states and mentions Dualeh as the president of a "Jubbaland (2)"; this other Somalia Report article contains an interview with Dualeh, who established his claim in January 2012 in the US. This claim obviously didn't go very far; other claims like Azania, which was initially supported by Kenya during its invasion of southern Somalia to oust al-Shabaab, had more success. There are other sources as well; for example, here's an interview with Dualeh in which he talks about being the "president of Jubaland" at around 1:20. He also appears in Danish media (where he's based), like Jyllands-Posten [11] [12] and this in-depth profile of him in POV International [13], and has an X profile [14].

The POV International profile mentions the Danish movie that Tcr25 found above. Malerisch (talk) 20:17, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Here's how a Danish newspaper interview/report describes his "presidency" when talking about the movie: "In 2012, Danish-Somali Ahmed Dualeh was elected by exiled Somalis as president of the regions Gedo, Middle Jubba and lower Jubba, which together make up Jubaland in the civil war-torn country of Somalia, and it is precisely this story that DR tells in the new documentary." (via Google Translate). —Carter (Tcr25) (talk) 20:22, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've gone ahead and reworked that section of the article (and removed the infobox) to reflect what's in these sources. More work and sourcing on the rest of the piece is needed, but I would say keep while acknowledging the article needs improvement. —Carter (Tcr25) (talk) 15:45, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the sources found above. Malerisch (talk) 17:22, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My !vote remains "keep". I disagree with the nominator's statement that "most of the sources I've found on Dualeh tie his notability to the film": profiles of Dualeh like [15], [16], and [17] make little reference to the documentary about him at all, and even if a source like [18] does refer to it, that in no way implies that the documentary is the cause of his notability—clearly, it's his life story that is of interest.

These profiles of Dualeh show that he meets
WP:SIGCOV
—most people are not the subject of an hour-long documentary about them!

In my opinion, none of the sources cited in this discussion prove that the documentary itself is notable per
WP:NFILM. Malerisch (talk) 01:53, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Request Per advice from my mentor
Walsh90210's singular delete !vote is preventing me from doing so. It cites there are no sources, but sources have now been found. Would you be willing to review your !vote? I'm NOT asking you to change your !vote. If you still think the article should be deleted, that's fine. It's not the end of the world if the AfD runs for seven days. Svampesky (talk) 13:54, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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This is definitely not a hoax; it is about an actual person. But I am not withdrawing my vote, it is not sufficiently clear that this person is notable (and *definitely* not clear that he and the film about him are separately notable); I would prefer discussion continue. In particular, his "political career" does not meet
Walsh90210 (talk) 20:29, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Great to hear. To clarify, I was not requesting you to change your vote. Rather, I was informing you to review the sources that were presented following your statement about the absence of sources. I've changed my !vote to merge, for reasons listed in my edited opening statement. Svampesky (talk) 14:38, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep it is heartening to see such a great example of research and cooperation on wiki. The three sources linked by Malerisch ([22], [23], and [24]) especially convinced me that this person is independently notable. I'm not sure if the film is notable as well, but that's not the point of this AfD. Toadspike [Talk] 10:51, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Vladimír Hirsch

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Previously deleted and repeatedly created by sockpuppets and meatpuppets; also, more importantly, it's questionably sourced. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 18:29, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Bandcamp, Soundcloud, his website and the usual streaming sites are what come up in a search. I don't see anything in RS about this person. Delete for lack of sourcing, likely also not meeting notability. Oaktree b (talk) 21:08, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete and salt no
soft deleted in 2018 as a result of an expired PROD. Aydoh8 (talk | contribs) 01:33, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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InterTown Series

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Seemingly non notable competition that relys on a single source Mn1548 (talk) 17:56, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Amateur competition with little to no coverage. J Mo 101 (talk) 11:14, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Herbert Sutcliffe's cricket career (1919–1927)

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My third big afd nomination in the Anglo-Australian fancruft forrest on here, planted in the 2000s. Its simple, this time as it is a set of articles about Herbert Sutcliffe, where exactly identical articles were successfully called for deletion here just today Pharaoh496 (talk) 18:05, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am also nominating the following related pages because of the same reason:
Herbert Sutcliffe's cricket career (1928–1932) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Herbert Sutcliffe's cricket career (1933–1939) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

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Delete If you can't describe a person's career in their own BLP article in several paragraphs, that might be a sign you should learn to edit, not infodump into three separate chronological articles. Nate • (chatter) 23:26, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per Nate above. RobinCarmody (talk) 20:22, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Rap Rakesh Sethulingam

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Barely meets WP:MUSICBIO, a non-notable music artist. I can't find any notable works or significant coverage about the subject. 𝓡𝔂𝓭𝓮𝔁 17:10, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. I can't find any notable works either. DareshMohan (talk) 06:27, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Owen× ☎ 21:54, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lawunuia language

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Fails verification that a language of this name exists. (I do not consider the existence of an
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Comment Well, it exists, its alternative name being used in the title of a 1976 paper, for example: Banoni, Piva and Papuanization. And it's mentioned in some other sources, like [25] and [26]. So, I'm not sure if there's enough coverage out there to justify a separate article, but I oppose deletion, and support at the very least a redirect. toweli (talk) 19:35, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

keep We list 2 sources beside ISO. We'd only merge if it's arguably not a distinct language. Otherwise, the consensus is that languages get articles. If a language doesn't have an article, we create one, so this would just be recreated. If we discover it doesn't actually exist, we petition ISO to retire the language code, but SIL even updated the speaker population recently. — kwami (talk) 20:06, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Bad Afd based on wrong premises. "Fails verification" means that the source Ethnologue has a complete entry (with info about location, speakers etc.) about a non-exisiting language? That's a bold claim. Leaves us with
WP:N, but real languages are notable. For those in doubt in this case, see User:Toweli's list of sources above. –Austronesier (talk) 22:41, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Keep, as there is sufficient verification to warrant an article.🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 02:06, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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KeWlers

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I wasn't able to find significant coverage of the subject in reliable sources. toweli (talk) 19:00, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Shayna Richardson

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This is a classic
WP:BLP1E
, a human interest story from 2005 that got some brief media attention over a few months and then faded from view. The article has always relied on rumour and forum gossip, which was tidied up to some extent five years ago. However, much of the content, which is critical of those involved, is uncited and likely unverifiable using reliable sources. The page has seen repeated BLP violations - I just deleted an edit from earlier this year that made unsupported personal allegations.
This survived an AfD in 2005/6 after being earlier deleted as a libellous copyvio under another title, but times have changed. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shayna Richardson Fences&Windows 18:41, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Initial blast of coverage in 2005-2006, then nothing turns up in my searches. BLP1E does apply. Oaktree b (talk) 21:10, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per BLP1E. Astaire (talk) 21:26, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: clear-cut BLP1E. Rosbif73 (talk) 06:45, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Agree that this is a clear cut case of
WP:BLP1E. A cursory search didn't come up with any sustained coverage. Let'srun (talk) 21:52, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Delete. ‹hamster717🐉› ^{(discuss anything!🐹✈️ • my contribs🌌🌠)} 01:59, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete in accordance with
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The result was delete‎. Neither of the two Keep views offered a cogent, P&G-based argument, and were discarded, leaving us with a unanimous consensus to delete. Owen× ☎ 21:33, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Huston Huddleston

AfDs for this article:
Articles for deletion/Huston Huddleston

Articles for deletion/Huston Huddleston (2nd nomination)

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This subject appears to fall afoul of
WP:CRIM
, specifically the criminal...should be the subject of a Wikipedia article only if one of the following applies: 1) The victim of the crime is a renowned national or international figure, including, but not limited to, politicians or celebrities; or 2) The motivation for the crime or the execution of the crime is unusual—or has otherwise been considered noteworthy—such that it is a well-documented historic event. Generally, historic significance is indicated by sustained coverage of the event in reliable secondary sources which persists beyond contemporaneous news coverage and devotes significant attention to the individual's role.
I would contend that neither of these conditions is met. I don't think there's any argument that the motivation or execution of the crime itself was unusual or of historic importance, or that the victim was a renowned individual. While it was stated at RFUD that the subject is a high-profile individual, coverage since their fall from grace (i.e. post-2018) is extremely limited, and that which does exist ([27]) suggests that the subject is intentionally avoiding the limelight and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future. Following the guidance at Wikipedia:Who is a low-profile individual, I would conclude that Huddleston is a low-profile individual at this time.
Even before the indictment, significant coverage in RS is limited to the context of Hollywood Sci-Fi Museum; if we had an article on that topic (or if the biography of his father Floyd Huddleston, made any mention of Huston and/or we had a source to back up that claim) a redirect outcome would be appropriate, but we don't at this time. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 14:43, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Floyd Huddleston does mention Huston:

"On December 30, 1965, Huddleston married Nancy Adams, a commercial jingle singer, at the First Baptist Church chapel in Memphis, Tennessee. Huddleston died from a heart attack on September 27, 1991, at a hospital located in Panorama City, Los Angeles. Huddleston was survived by his wife Nancy, his son, Huston, and his mother, Hettye T. Huddleston." Miri1966 (talk) 17:32, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Please also note that Huston Huddleston has not been avoiding limelight and has been making independent films (hiring underage actresses) which he has posted about on his own social media. It does not seem relevant to include in the article but it is in context for why the article should remain. Miri1966 (talk) 17:36, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please read
WP:NOTINHERITED. Angryapathy (talk) 17:43, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
]
I didn't say his notability is due entirely to being Floyd Huddleston's son, only that it is not true that Floyd's biography fails to mention him.

His notability is anchored in his own activities as a writer/director which are ongoing; the museum project which has had numerous news articles and financial campaigns; his conviction which merits documentation as he has continued to work in both listed areas. Miri1966 (talk) 19:54, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep added a couple articles I don't think this guy deserves an article but he is attempting to open a museum for kids as a convicted pedophile. This is a developing situation in the media with a lot of coverage .Since it is in the public interest and ongoing , I vote keep. Bigwombat (talk) 07:32, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete This is a perfect example of
notable before or after the short flurry of news coverage. Angryapathy (talk) 15:28, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
]

This has been an ongoing event for years between 2018 and 2024 and there are additional news sources that I can provide - additional information may still be pending. This information being captured here has been critical. Miri1966 (talk) 17:31, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Malinaccier (talk) 18:27, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete I know AfD is not cleanup but in its current state this article is so incoherent that there is no credible claim to notability (basically what others have said above), which makes assessing sources for GNG kinda irrelevant. The two !votes to keep are unconvincing – the first doesn't seem to be based on policy at all, while the second says I don't think this guy deserves an article (not sure if that's argued on grounds of morality or notability) and seems to be taking a
RGW perspective. Toadspike [Talk] 19:21, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete‎. Owen× ☎ 21:29, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nizam's Carnatic campaigns (1725-27)

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This article is solely based on author's own research and is not supported by any reliable source. Even the sources which the author has used in this article contradicts his claims for example author has used New History of Marathas Vol2 by Govind Sakharam Sardesai in his article and that book's Pg 85-90 (here is the link for book) [28], says there were two campaigns one from 1725-26 and second from 1726-27 both led by Bajirao called "Bajirao's 1st Carnatic Expedition" and "Bajirao's 2nd Carnatic Expedition" the author simply combined those two conflicts kept a name as per his choice which violates Wikipedia guidelines. Also result section has a problem; the same source stated above gives a Maratha victory see Pg 85, quoting 1727 April: Karnatik Chiefs submit to Bajirao, so Nizam victory is also inappropriate.Mohammad Umar Ali (talk) 18:07, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - A separate article is not warranted for this much content.
Capitals00 (talk) 02:07, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Delete, as per above-mentioned comments.Rawn3012 (talk) 04:11, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep
Blocked sock. Ratnahastin (talk) 01:18, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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I see you provided no counter to my comment for which I nominated this article for deletion. I am assuming it's because you simply can't. Also, I see your talk page is full of edit disputes with other users where you are constantly trying to push your narrative. Mohammad Umar Ali (talk) 03:37, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Page is
WP:GNG. RangersRus (talk) 14:32, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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The result was soft delete‎. Based on
"soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Owen× ☎ 21:28, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Juan Carlos Figueiras

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Seems non-notable. I didn't PROD as I'm finding some stuff in Spanish. Only fair to allow people to debate this. — Iadmc ♫^talk 17:53, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Owen× ☎ 21:27, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Variable State

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Fails company notability and the awards don't appear sufficiently exceptional. One paragraph about the founding, which could be merged. IgelRM (talk) 17:49, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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This is an unsatisfactory basis for deletion.

The company is noteworthy and is currently featured prominently in its industry press, as recently as 7 days ago:

https://www.gameinformer.com/news/2024/06/09/polaris-is-a-co-op-pve-shooter-coming-to-pc-this-year-with-fully-destructible

https://www.gematsu.com/2024/06/sci-fi-co-op-shooter-polaris-announced-for-pc

https://www.pcgamesn.com/polaris/new-sci-fi-pve-shooter

The company has been nominated for numerous prestigious awards, including 3 British Academy Game Awards. It is the recipient of a BAFTA for Music and has won the Writers Guild award for Best Writing in a Video Game.

Furthermore, the company remains active, developing and releasing games, and is considerably more active than other similar game companies whose pages are not nominated for deletion:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campo_Santo_(company)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant_Sparrow

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart_Machine

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simogo

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messhof

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivy_Road

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant_Squid_(company)

My concern is that this nomination for deletion is politically motivated rather than being a genuine suggestion. Deleting this page would be wildly inconsistent with the practice of deleting and updating other video game company pages.

This request for deletion should be cancelled at the earliest opportunity. Badlandssummary (talk) 19:25, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"My concern is that this nomination for deletion is politically motivated rather than being a genuine suggestion" what a very serious accusation. Do you have any proof to back that up at all or are you just saying that? Procyon117 (talk) 20:02, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It is the only logical explanation for why this particular article has been singled out for deletion when numerous other video game company articles, related to video game studios of equivalent or lesser notoriety, have not been targeted in this way. Either apply a policy consistently or not at all. This deletion decision reflects very poorly on the instigator and those who defend it. It's an arbitrary, unliteral decision, and in the absence of a consistently-applied approach, feels like an attack. If you feel that accusation is serious, then so do I. It is incumbent on the deleter to explain why they are choosing a targeted attack and not a blanket policy. Badlandssummary (talk) 10:09, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You have provided absolutely zero proof that this is "targeted" in any way, shape or form. We are humans, things are going to slip under the radar, and as others have said,
WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not a good argument. Procyon117 (talk) 19:19, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
]

Not sure if it helps to know, but e.g. Giant Sparrow and Giant Squid (company) appear to fail notability too and I or someone else might nominate them as well. IgelRM (talk) 16:04, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Badlandssummary (talk) 19:27, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Why are you spamming the same thing three times? Procyon117 (talk) 20:01, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. Yes, a mistake on the editor's part. This is my first experience dealing with a deletion request. And given the request seems so targeted and wildly inconsistent with the rules applied to other comparable and lesser-known game studios, I felt a sense of panic and my emotions were running hot. I don't understand why this article has been singled out in this way. If a rule is going to be applied consistently across all video game studios, then I would understand it, but if this particular article is going to be the target of a political action, that seems unjustified and against the spirit of this website. Badlandssummary (talk) 10:07, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've elected to remove them, as I assume them to be mistaken on the editor's part. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 21:17, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete They seem like a perfectly fine studio and they even arguably have a piece of SIGCOV at GamesIndustry.biz, but notability is not inherited from a studio's games, therefore they fail
WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS arguments, which will not prevent the article from being removed. Work with people to find notability, and if none can be found it probably doesn't belong. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:32, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
]
I should also add that notability is not temporary; once you are notable you remain that way, we are not going and deleting Square (video game company) because they are no longer making games. It's getting there that is the problem, and often people with conflict of interest totally ignore notability when making a page because they are simply there to publicize. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:37, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There are numerous items of significant coverage. This assessment feels extremely weak, particularly if you directly compare the Variable State article to other equivalent articles, such as those I've cited in my response above. Why would I feel embarrassed? I've not insulted anyone. I've made fair and justified accusations based on the unilateral decision to target a specific article, rather than apply a blanket policy. You are embarrassing yourself by making unsubstituted accusations as to my identity, when you have no basis for doing so other than your own opinion. If my tone is urgent and anxious, it is because I am witnessing an obvious injustice here and am disappointed in the hypocritical and targeted actions of a few editors who are not acting in the spirit of this website and community.

Regarding articles highlighting the noteworthiness of this studio, I would direct you to the following:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gaming/what-to-play/virginia-review--the-x-files-meets-twin-peaks-in-a-remarkable-in/

https://time.com/4498103/virginia-review-pc-xbox/

https://www.gameinformer.com/games/virginia/b/playstation4/archive/2016/09/22/game-informer-virginia-review.aspx

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-09-22-virginia-review

https://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/289831?

https://www.pcgamer.com/virginia-wins-the-writers-guild-of-great-britains-prize-for-best-game-writing/

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/nominees-for-2017-independent-games-festival-award/1100-6446752/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csmZMNXWZrw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zb_IkGzFY1o

https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/how-virginias-cinematic-editing-works

https://www.gamedeveloper.com/design/road-to-the-igf-variable-state-s-i-virginia-i- Badlandssummary (talk) 10:27, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
They are all discussing the video game, Virginia. Which already has an article here and is indisputably notable. We're talking about the studio, though, which none of those articles are specifically about.

Saying a deletion nomination is based on politics with zero proof is not "fair and justified". Seriously, you'll want to stop the ad hominem insults claiming actions are "targeted" against you with no evidence whatsoever or you will definitely be blocked for incivility. Yes, there are plenty of spammy game studio articles on Wikipedia, that does not absolve your article from needing to be notable. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 10:57, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My criticism of your argument is threefold:

1) What good is any policy if it is not applied consistently and fairly? The subject of the article clearly passes a higher notoriety threshold than other examples I have given in this discussion, so why should it be singled out? Furthermore, its content is more widely sourced and more thoroughly cited than many of the other examples I have provided. As such, if this article is to be singled out, that implies an injustice, and a policy which is being exploited for partisan reasons. If you were a parking attendant who found a street full of cars with no parking tickets, would it be fair and reasonable for you to cherry pick specific cars to receive penalties? No, that'd be judged as prejudiced and irrational. It is similarly prejudicial to target this article on the basis of an infraction of policy when there are worse offenders elsewhere which are not receiving similar attention. Fairness is the cornerstone of justice.

2) The accusation of ad hominem against me has no basis. My challenge to the editor who triggered this deletion process was to explain why this article had been singled out, when so many more articles fall far below the standard of content and citation in this article. Therefore, it is only reasonable to ask why the policy being used to support the deletion decision is being applied in a narrow and targeted manner, rather than consistently and fairly applied. It implies an agenda or political motive.

3) The accusation of "incivility" is spurious in the extreme. If you claim my tone of my replies, which have most certainly not involved foul or threatening language, are of greater concern than the unilateral decision to delete an article which comprises many hours of hard work and which meets the standard met by other equivalent article, then I question your ethics. I recognise no incivility in my conduct, merely a justified distress at both the obliteration of my work, representing hours and days of my life, and the unjust way in which this process is being conducted.

If this results in my being banned, then I am being excluded from a community which does not value evidence, fairness, or justice, and which wields its authority in a selective and inconsistent manner, in which case I shall perceive it as no slight. I am grateful my remarks here serve as my public testimony. I am not embarrassed by them. They have been made in good faith. Badlandssummary (talk) 13:31, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Clearly you did not read the linked
straight-up hoaxes have existed for 10+ years simply because nobody found them, it's very easy for stuff to slip past the radar sometimes. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 15:12, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
]
(Although I realized that Messhof is judged differently as we have different policies for individual developers as we do companies;
WP:NARTIST, probably due to how common it is for companies to attempt to game the system.) ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 15:23, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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But these game developer companies are just personal studios of creative professionals here, so there isn't really a difference for notability. The article with be the same if Burroughs and Kenny collectively are notable as creative professionals. IgelRM (talk) 23:14, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just because other bad things exist doesn't mean we get to keep this bad thing. What political motivation are you even implying here? What political ideology or agenda is demonstrated in this article that would be targeted? What "community that doesn't value evidence" are you speaking out against? What the fuck are you even talking about? λ NegativeMP1 16:49, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
They don't realise that things can pass under the radar, and their arguments certainly aren't helping their case. Procyon117 (talk) 19:21, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per Zx. Also, I feel like there is some
WP:COI problem here. 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔) 11:30, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
]

Delete When I reviewed this articles GAN (which, quite frankly, should have never even happened because of how poorly written it was), I got the feeling that this topic wasn't notable, but that's a topic I personally believe should be kept out of GAN as it's not one of the criteria. This discussion further proves to me that this topic likely isn't notable if the article creator is resulting to personal attacks and accusations instead of actually demonstrating how this topic is worthy for inclusion on Wikipedia. λ NegativeMP1 16:49, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, but we should still evaluate the studio's notability independently which only Zx has really done so far. The political accusations are undue but I think the the creator is still acting in good faith overall. In any case, some
WP:ATD would seem easily applicable given the established game articles. Maybe my nomination was partially because the article doesn't appear in a good state. The GamesIndustry.biz feature is significant (was hard to tell with all the sources about specific game development) and the Develop studio nomination might signify recurring coverage. I hope this in retrospect somewhat bold nomination helps clarify how "game studio biography"-like articles are evaluated. IgelRM (talk) 15:08, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
]
I stated in my message that "I got the feeling that this topic wasn't notable." My stance on this companies notability was separately assessed. I'll agree with you on GamesIndustry.biz being significant, but one source isn't enough. λ NegativeMP1 18:43, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per ZX. Spy-cicle💥 ^Talk? 22:45, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Owen× ☎ 21:25, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Dutch politicians

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Too broad for a list per
WP:NPOL. Without any further inclusion/exclusion criteria, this list is bound to be either unhelpfully long or a rather random subset of subjects qualifying. Tristan Surtel (talk) 17:24, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Delete. Nominator stands correct. Such lists should be by political role and only when additional context beyond the category is provided. gidonb (talk) 05:52, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete way too broad, inclusion criterion most notable Dutch politician is not well defined, either. Fully agree with the nominator's argument. Broc (talk) 12:30, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy delete‎ under CSD:G11. The combination of absence of SIGCOV and a disruptive COI author rule out soft-deletion. Owen× ☎ 21:23, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Eamon Herbst

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Non-notable business person.
WP:REFBOMBing. These "references" certainly do not support a claim to notability. (Like this page from the Wicklow County Council website - which makes ZERO mention of the subject and cannot POSSIBLY be read as supporting the text it is placed alongside). The BLPSources and Peacock concerns, raised by Liz, were simply ignored and the tags removed. The other issues (PROMO/COI/PAID/etc) are so obvious and galling that I was initially tempted to consider SPEEDY or PROD. However, discussion and clear community consensus is probably required... Guliolopez (talk) 17:09, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Comment. While the article's creator has (repeatedly) removed the related AfD tag before this discussion was closed, these changes have been reverted/corrected by a bot. If the creating editor, Michael Eamon Herbst, believes that the article meets the applicable criteria (and should be retained), then their contributions are welcome here. In the discussion. Removing the link to the AfD discussion, before the discussion has closed, is not the correct means of advocating for retention. Guliolopez (talk) 19:24, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong delete. This should have been nominated for speedy delete. This nonnotable man created a Wikipedia article about himself and his business. Delete per
WP:GNG . . . the list goes on. Nothing in that article indicates notability for encyclopedic coverage. The sources do not meet standards for what is considered reliable and valid. In fact, they include the creator/subject's own primary sources. The person in question also cheats by repeatedly deleting the AfD notice on the article, but that is a separate issue. Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 21:13, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 16:37, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mario Party (disambiguation)

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Does not need to exist — a clear-cut violation of
WP:PARTIAL Loytra (talk) 16:42, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Delete Per nom, basically all of them are partial disambiguations. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:52, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per above. Looks more like a poorly put together game list, which isn't necessary since we already have a series article at Mario Party that lists them all out. Sergecross73 msg me 17:08, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per above JoshuaAuble (talk) (edits) 15:10, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~~*Redirect to~~
WP:G14 since it links to to a disambiguation page or a page that performs a disambiguation-like function (such as set index articles or lists). JuniperChill (talk) 19:24, 18 June 2024 (UTC) (Changed to delete, per comment below)[reply
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But it's not disambiguating anything though, that's the problem. And why in the world would anyone use that as a search term? Sergecross73 msg me 19:29, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ah yes, I forgot that there are only two articles that could be refered to as 'Mario Party' and the rest, not so much. Changed to Delete JuniperChill (talk)

Delete. Not a useful search term, plus not a dab page. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 21:00, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom; all the entries are listed in the main article for the franchise, and most are partial title matches.
Walsh90210 (talk) 02:22, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Delete, (oddly organized) partial title list with no practical use. TappyTurtle [talk | contribs] 14:22, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. MK at your service. 10:09, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. There's nothing here that isn't already at the primary topic article. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 20:55, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 16:36, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

IC 3402

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The galaxy has only been featured in a small number of databases and large scale surveys which don't provide significant commentary on the object, thus fails
WP:NASTCRIT. C messier (talk) 16:24, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Delete per nomination. ‹hamster717🐉› ^{(discuss anything!🐹✈️ • my contribs🌌🌠)} 16:33, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep IC 3402. I firmly believed the article can be expanded with more references possibility meeting Wikipedia's guidelines. Galaxybeing (talk) 05:08, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I've found multiple reliable sources for IC 3402 and added them inside the article. Hopefully it can meet notability guidelines. Galaxybeing (talk) 11:12, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, do you mind listing them here? ‹hamster717🐉› ^{(discuss anything!🐹✈️ • my contribs🌌🌠)} 11:49, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1987ApJ...320...96G/abstract

https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1990A%26AS...86..109G/abstract

https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1989ApJ...342..718G/abstract

https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2018MNRAS.478.4336M/abstract

https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1999BSAO...47....5K/abstract

https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1993AN....314...97K/abstract

https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2001AJ....122..714B/abstract

https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2015MNRAS.446.3749Y/abstract

https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2015ApJS..220....3K/abstract

https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2014ApJ...788...45T/abstract

https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.3847/1538-4357/abb66b

https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.3847/1538-4365/ac626b Galaxybeing (talk) 11:56, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Here's the sources I've found online so far Galaxybeing (talk) 11:57, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

These are all listings in tables with objects, they don't provide significant commentary on this specific galaxy. Being mentioned alongside other similar objects, such as in a table of properties of 200 newly discovered supernovae, does not constitute non-trivial coverage. (from
WP:NASTCRIT) C messier (talk) 13:12, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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I agree, these sources provide no significant commentary on this object. ‹hamster717🐉› ^{(discuss anything!🐹✈️ • my contribs🌌🌠)} 15:17, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: yet another galaxy that is in a bunch of catalog papers but not notable itself. - Parejkoj (talk) 17:52, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nomination
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Delete: it shows up in a few studies, but without substantial coverage. Praemonitus (talk) 13:40, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to Chacha Chaudhary. There is no "Adaptation" section to Redirect to. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 16:35, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Chacha Chaudhary (2019 TV series)

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Fails
WP:GNG. It only has one ref. M S Hassan (talk) 16:11, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Redirect to
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Agreed, the article in question doesn't include anything that will be missed if moved into Chacha_Chaudhary#Adaptation. -Mjks28 (talk) 13:36, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Chacha_Chaudhary#Adaptation. RangersRus (talk) 14:45, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 16:33, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jay Orpin

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I believe this to be a hoax article. It claims that its subject collaborated with a number of highly popular artists across many different genres of music throughout the 2000s. If this were true, one would expect there to be a sizable amount of information about such an accomplished music industry professional. Unfortunately, very little such information can be found. The only sources I could find about this person that weren't user-generated were a website about names that may post-date the Wikipedia article and a citation from a book published in 2013 that definitely does post-date the article, which was created in 2007. Its creator was a sockpuppet of someone who was indefinitely blocked for "insertion of deliberate misinformation". Suspiciously, the page seems to make an effort to conveniently explain away the lack of documentation on Orpin's existence, asserting that Orpin refused to be credited for the tracks he wrote or produced. Although I am confident that this article is a hoax, I listed it at AfD rather than adding a CSD or PROD tag because Orpin is mentioned on a number of other articles as well, making the article's deletion potentially controversial. SwineHerd (talk/contribs) 16:06, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. I was also unable to find any evidence that this is even a real person. I removed mentions of "Jay Orpin" from articles. toweli (talk) 16:38, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Also, the first two references in the article can't be found online and aren't even mentioned anywhere on the Internet. The third points to a 404 page now, and looking at archived versions of the webpage on the Wayback Machine reveals it to be a collection of articles about someone named Shane Drake. Orpin is not mentioned. SwineHerd (talk/contribs) 19:05, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. No mentions in a Swedish media archive which collects most newspapers. No one living in Sweden called Orpin, as far as I can tell. /Julle (talk) 21:43, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete fails verification. It is unclear whether this is a complete hoax, or an unimportant employee in the music industry; but it would be deleted either way.
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Delete per Julle. Draken Bowser (talk) 09:06, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - I suspect that this is an unknown wannabe who fantasizes that he influenced dozens of popular musicians, and planted false credits around user-generated websites. There are no reliable sources on his supposed achievements, and especially no reliable sources that mention him in the credits of anyone famous. It's distressing that this article has been putzing around WP since 2007, but better late than never. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 13:43, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to
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Bunty Aur Billy

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Doesn't pass
WP:GNG. It has only one ref which is most likely unreliable. M S Hassan (talk) 15:44, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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~~Delete~~: I could not find any coverage online or in books/newspapers besides the one already in the article, which is hard to call reliable (no author). Fails
WP:NSERIES. Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 17:12, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Redirect per Mushy Yank as a
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Redirect to
WP:ATD seems warranted. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 19:25, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Redirect per Mushy Yank. RangersRus (talk) 14:42, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to
(non-admin closure) The Herald (Benison) (talk) 15:23, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Chorr Police

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Doesn't pass
WP:GNG. The article lacks significant coverage from multiple reliable, independent sources. It does not offer in-depth analysis or substantial coverage in reputable publications. The references cited do not provide the necessary independent verification of the show's notability. M S Hassan (talk) 14:39, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Redirect to Green_Gold_Animations#Television: No time to check possible existing sources but this ATD seems at least warranted. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 19:23, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Green_Gold_Animations#Television. RangersRus (talk) 14:38, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 14:48, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

IC 3686

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The galaxy has only been featured in a small number of databases and large scale surveys which don't provide significant commentary on the object, thus fails
WP:NASTCRIT. C messier (talk) 14:35, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Delete per nomination. ‹hamster717🐉› ^{(discuss anything!🐹✈️ • my contribs🌌🌠)} 16:33, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: yet another galaxy that is in a bunch of catalog papers but not notable itself. - Parejkoj (talk) 17:53, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: it shows up in a couple of studies, but without substantial coverage. Praemonitus (talk) 13:39, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 14:49, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

IC 1682

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The galaxy has only been featured in a small number of databases and large scale surveys which don't provide significant commentary on the object, thus fails
WP:OR/personal opinion of the Wikipedia user. C messier (talk) 14:22, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Delete per nomination. ‹hamster717🐉› ^{(discuss anything!🐹✈️ • my contribs🌌🌠)} 15:20, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. - Parejkoj (talk) 19:02, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: not notable. Praemonitus (talk) 13:38, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 06:56, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Muhammad Abdul Malek

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Not a single source used in this article is reliable which can establish notability of the person. - AlbeitPK (talk) 18:55, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Not eligible for Soft Deletion.
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Delete per nom, non-notable scholar.Vinegarymass911 (talk) 12:24, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Failed
WP:GNG. Youknowwhoistheman (talk) 06:52, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete‎. While Thryduulf found some sources, they are almost alone in believing that these sources warrant keeping or merging the article. Based on our policies and guidelines, the "delete" arguments are not only more numerous but also stronger: Thryduulf's sources are scattered bits and pieces of mostly primary sources, not the kind of material we generally admit establishes notability.
While a merger would normally be a possible ATD in such a case, in this instance neither the few lines of prose nor the data in the infobox are cited, and as such, nothing appears to be mergeable at present. If better sourcing for the existing content is found later, this can be restored via
WP:REFUND for merging. But it might be easier to add some new content from scratch based on what sourcing has been found. Sandstein 19:22, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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British Rail DHP1

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Wholly unsourced article since 2009
Danners430 (talk) 16:29, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Delete: without sources. Nothing came up on Google. RolandSimon (talk) 16:50, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: There just isn't anything written about this that I can find [29], a photo there, and [30], a magazine that won't open for me... I'd maybe merge this into the list of British locomotives, but it's unsourced regardless. I mean, the information came from somewhere, but we don't have a source identified... Oaktree b (talk) 18:58, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: I can't find any evidence of SIGCOV, and no suitable redirect target seems to exist. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 21:22, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~~Delete~~ unfortunately, unless offline sourcing exists (which wouldn't surprise me). I found a couple of sources that were neither in-depth nor reliable which suggest that British Rail Class 17 (on which it was based) would make an appropriate merge target if we can verify the information. Thryduulf (talk) 10:43, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or merge British Rail Class 17 or Clayton Equipment Company are the obvious places to look for a mention, but there isn't any there (the latter has a see also, the first has nothing). It's mentioned in the table at List of British Rail modern traction locomotive classes#Builders' demonstrators so that might also be a suitable merge target. Some more googling has found some things that prove existence and verify some of what is in the article:
[31] a primary sources, but it verifies it was a "Prototype 1500HP BoBo Diesel Hydraulic", the drawing contains a copyright date which might be useful but I can't read it.

[32] indicates that there is a lot more information available from the manufacturer, but being primary that would all speak to verifiability not notability.

[33] This copy of a Railways Illustrated article (see PDF page 3) has a small amount of information, and presumably counts as a secondary source.

[34] A review of this book indicates that it includes information about the DHP1, but as I don't have a copy I can't say too much.

[35] This forum post has some quotes from an article in Classic Diesels and Electrics magazine issue 3 (December 1997/January 1998) described elsewhere as "Major", it also notes that there was at least a drawing in Modern Locomotives Illustrated No 174. I've not been able to find either magazine online. However, combined with the number of models of it that exist, I'm satisified that notability is demonstrated. Thryduulf (talk) 09:35, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

After thinking about this a bit more, I now think that Clayton Equipment Company would be the best place to merge this to as most of the sources frame it in the context the manufacturer, the relationship to Class 17 is limited and not only does the list article not really having anywhere great to put a section of prose it feels a bit undue to have that much detail about an individual entry. As for whether to merge or keep as a stand-alone article, I might be leaning towards the former but I'd not describe either as a clear preference at this point. Thryduulf (talk) 01:54, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as this is basically unverifiable. Even if it were conclusively proven to exist it would only merit a brief mention within the Class 17 article. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 17:40, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think there is any serious doubt that this existed and was based on the Class 17. I haven't found a reliable source that states this but the variety and nature of the unreliable ones I've found leaves me in no doubt. However we do need reliable sources, and while I would be surprised if such didn't exist they haven't been found yet. Thryduulf (talk) 10:46, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If this conclusively exists, a redirect wouldn't hurt, but the question is where do you redirect it to? I don't think this is mentioned in any other article. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 18:06, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
See also my newer comment above, but there is a mention at List of British Rail modern traction locomotive classes#Builders' demonstrators. Thryduulf (talk) 09:35, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: This looks like a clear delete but additional sources were brought to the discussion yesterday and it would be nice to have them assessed.
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Delete: Not a single source provided to support the locomotive's existence. ADifferentMan (talk) 23:17, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There's a picture of it above in my link, but that's not helping notability. It exists. Oaktree b (talk) 01:01, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@ADifferentMan I provided 5 sources above that prove it exists. It's less clear whether it is notable enough for a stand-alone article, but it's not a slam-dunk no (or yes) and existence is not in doubt. Thryduulf (talk) 01:38, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: I won't mark this as a vote, because I opened this discussion... going by the lack of engagement alone, I would be inclined to suggest this be closed as a Delete or Merge (as proposed by Thryduulf). We can't keep relisting the AFD forever...
Danners430 (talk) 15:29, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Keep per Thryduulf's digging. It also has some coverage in Modern Railways of its time.

I wouldn't merge to the class 17 article because, despite the maker and cab similarities, they're very different locos. The engines are different (and there are twice as many) and the bogies are too, as the hydraulic has mechanical final drives rather than traction motors. Mostly the DHP1 would probably have avoided the 17's best known feature, its awful unreliability. Andy Dingley (talk) 21:56, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 14:50, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

IC 3971

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The galaxy has only been featured in a small number of databases and large scale surveys which don't provide significant commentary on the object, thus fails
WP:NASTCRIT. C messier (talk) 14:04, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Delete per nomination. ‹hamster717🐉› ^{(discuss anything!🐹✈️ • my contribs🌌🌠)} 16:33, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: yet another galaxy that is in a bunch of catalog papers but not notable itself. - Parejkoj (talk) 17:53, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 14:52, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

IC 158

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The galaxy has only been featured in a small number of databases and large scale surveys which don't provide significant commentary on the object, thus fails
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Delete per nomination, as it is not notable. ‹hamster717🐉› ^{(discuss anything!🐹✈️ • my contribs🌌🌠)} 16:32, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: yet another galaxy that is not notable. - Parejkoj (talk) 17:54, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 14:54, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

IC 42

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The galaxy has only been featured in a small number of databases and large scale surveys which don't provide significant commentary on the object, thus fails
WP:NASTCRIT. C messier (talk) 13:55, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Delete per nomination, as it is not notable. ‹hamster717🐉› ^{(discuss anything!🐹✈️ • my contribs🌌🌠)} 16:29, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: yet another galaxy that is not notable. - Parejkoj (talk) 17:55, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on
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Macleod Group

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Delete Does not meet WP:GNG. Searches are also not yielding anything. Wikilover3509 (talk) 13:15, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Note: I have fixed spacing in the headers that broke some of the links, but have no opinion or further comment at this time. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 19:18, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. There was a clear consensus against deletion, but views were more or less evenly split between Keep and Redirect. And while Redirect can be picked as an alternative to deletion even in the absence of consensus to redirect, it cannot be picked as an alternative to keeping without consensus to do so. Debate between leaving the content as a standalone article, redirecting or merging can continue editorially, and doesn't require AfD. Owen× ☎ 21:06, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Aiden Pearce

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Unfortunately, after doing
WP:BEFORE; I don't see any SIGCOV for this character at all and it mostly relies on game reviews at reception. Detailed issue has been shared at the article's talk page already by other user. I'll suggest it by merging/redirecting it into Watch Dogs (video game). 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔) 01:46, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Comment have you tried merging this into a Characters of Watch Dogs article? Jclemens (talk) 03:31, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Watch Dogs (video game) exist. 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔) 03:35, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
An article for the game itself existing doesn't disqualify the idea of a characters list. Now whether enough coverage for the other characters exists or not is a different story. λ NegativeMP1 15:52, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This wouldn't be a bad idea, but looking at the article of the first game, it looks like Watch_Dogs characters (main or side) are not particularly beloved by critics. I can't even find any specific characters mentioned in that GA outside of its uncited plot section, which really suggests to me that characters of this franchise are not subject to much analysis. I have not done a dive for sources though; if you can find any sources specifically about Watch_Dogs characters, that would be interesting. It seems like a difficult project either way. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 09:01, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: There is news sources showing wider coverage, some of which have been provided on the talk page and are in the process of being incorporated into the article. This is by no means the least notable of it's kind so a deletion discussion so soon seems like a rash decision. This can be, at worst, made into a characters of Watch Dogs article like Jclemens has already suggested.

TheBritinator (talk) 11:18, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was the one who brought those sources to the talk page, and those aren't
WP:VG's notability. This is not like other fictional characters; when there are reliable sources, it does not mean they are automatically notable, unless the character was really discussed by multiple reliable sources. 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔) 11:46, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Redirect per nom. Not seeing any significant coverage here, and the article is primarily sourced entirely to reviews. Not showing independent notability from the subject. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 12:56, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~~Redirect~~ – If we disregard GameRant for Notability determinitation (which I believe we should), the only reliable source focused specifically on the character listed here is The Washington Post. Because Aiden Pierce is the lead character of the Watch_Dogs franchise, I think it would be easy to have a complete description of the character there without running into undue weight issues. Criticism of Pierce is criticism of Watch_Dogs as a whole, hence why most of the reliable sources used in this article are full-game reviews. The Appearances section largely recounts the plot of the games (at length, using almost exclusively primary sources, ugh), which also shows the strong overlap. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 08:56, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral after more sources have been dug up. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 07:07, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect per Maplestrip. Someone can always expand on the main character's backstory and reception at the main game article. There isn't so much good coverage that it meets
WP:SIGCOV. Shooterwalker (talk) 19:49, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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~~But his hat is so iconic!~~ Redirect per Mable. None of the reliable sources are focused solely on the character, but rather discuss him in the context of a review of the game as a whole. No development info. Axem Titanium (talk) 18:09, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect Per nom - the reception is largely trivial mentions pulled from reviews, rather than discussing him alone as a character. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 00:18, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Though most above are saying that the article doesn't meet
WP:SIGCOV, I found a few articles on the character on numerous sources [36][37][38][39][40][41][42]([43]small section) and theres this short guide from IGN which I'm not sure counts and the GiantBomb one looks like an actual review. MK at your service. 08:30, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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For reference, see Nilin (Remember Me), the character's reception mostly uses the game's reviews, and the appearances section uses lines from the game to reference it. Some articles do exist on the character, which are mentioned in the concept and development section. MK at your service. 08:39, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is not really an argument; Nilin could be notable after digging per
WP:BEFORE and not because of that game reviews. Comparing other articles isn't helpful. 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔) 08:42, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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I'm not sure why are you pulling out more game reviews, plot content-like sources, and unreliable sources/wiki/game guide articles. 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔) 08:40, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Let's go through these. (1) Game Industry News is currently listed as non-conclusive, and Michael Blaker does not seem particularly experienced. Article praises the character and repeats that he gets "reintroduced" in this novel, but there's nothing else here. (2) ScreenRant I would not count for WP:N. (3) IGN, this looks like a really good one! (4) Tassi on Forbes is a senior contributor, which I think is a good sign? This article is actually about something. (5) GameInformer review with a focus on what Pearce represents and such. (6) Petrick Kepleck (GiantBomb), despite looking like a wiki editor, is indeed a proper reporter. Proper reception and emotional significance on Aiden. (7) NME, I have to be wondering if all this stuff is just part of Watch_Dogs: Legion reception specifically. There's some stuff here but not much. (8) Yahoo review that does not add to WP:N. All-inall, still zero development information, which makes me hesitant, but there's a lot more here. Shame none of it was used. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 07:07, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
IGN is more like a game-guide content;but there's no need to expound more since its not gonna survive AfD. 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔) 07:37, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
IGN does both, and it's important to separate the articles from the gameguides from the user-generated stuff. Joe Skrebels seems to have been a professional news editor at IGN. Confusingly, when I open this article, it redirects me to a Dutch translation with a different author. Annoying, but the effort of translation may suggest that IGN considers this a good article. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 07:46, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I think I worded it incorrectly oops. I mean't the IGN that was brought up here as a sourcd not IGN in General is just making game guide content. 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔) 07:49, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jumping in here, but Forbes contributors like Tassi are generally recommended not to use as Forbes doesn't apply editorial oversight to their works. Tassi also has some infamy in journalistic circles which doesn't help.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 12:47, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect per Maplestrip. The above also isn't convincing me, given it's mainly reviews and valnet. And normally I like Valnet but you need some meat to go with it.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 23:50, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Most redirect !votes seem to be at least partially based on None of the reliable sources are focused solely on the character. That, however, is explicitely not required to establish notability according to
WP:SIGCOV: Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material. Of course something meaningful and fitting for an encyclopedia on the article's subject still needs to be contained in those secondary sources with a different main topic like e.g. the game as a whole. Daranios (talk) 15:41, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Keep We already have a reasonable reception section without regress to Valnet sources, thus the article in its current form already fullfills
WP:N, even though the plot probably needs trimming to balance. In addition we have the Vice web article, which incidentally does have Aiden Pearce as its main topic, and more secondary sources have been listed and sorted above. Again, some of the do have the character as the main topic. In addition, there's a brief paragraph of commentary on Aiden Pearce in this academic publication. Daranios (talk) 15:44, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Vice is the only situational source that could be a bit decent. However, I don't think we already have a "reasonable reception section" because of article being bloated with game reviews and plenty of game-guide content? 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔) 18:10, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

About being bloated, I guess we agree that the plot summary content currently is not balanced with the reception section. But that's a problem that can be solved by normal editing and is therefore not a reason for deletion. And we do have a reception section which in my view does not consist of game-guide content. The fact that the sources making up the reception section are mostly game reviews does not invalidate their use, as the content which has been taken from them here is direct commentary on the character, i.e. the topic of the article. Daranios (talk) 19:55, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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My own !vote has moved to "neutral" after more sources were dug up, but I still think the sources are weak. I would like to know if @Shooterwalker: and @Axem Titanium: still think so too, as per the relisting comment. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 12:44, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm willing to adjust my vote to neutral, with a chance to revisit this discussion in the future. I am still not sure if there is
WP:SIGCOV but I admit there are some improvements, which I hope will continue. Shooterwalker (talk) 18:32, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Comment I'm still staying by redirect as my vote. I feel the subject matter on its own is too weak, and there's really nothing here that can't be discussed in the body of the main article. While there are some characters with single game appearances, one needs to consider if what's being said illustrates them separate of that work or not, and that's not being indicated here.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 00:24, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I am also sticking to redirect here, the provided sources don't convince me that the article passes GNG. The best sources here are Giant Bomb and Vice, and that isn't really sufficient. Plus, most of the commentary is just "Aiden Pearce is bad" which doesn't offer much nuance you can't put in the main game's reception. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 13:19, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep but pretty marginal case I will concede. I managed to find these sources which I think could be incorpated to just about scrap GNG: ~~[44]~~ [45] [46] [47] [48] [49]. Spy-cicle💥 ^Talk? 22:59, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You almost brought the same sources that was apready provided above. The first source is unreliable. 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔) 00:56, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I struck my first source. Collectively, all the sources presented on this AfD page, in my opinion, provide enough coverage to meet GNG. Spy-cicle💥 ^Talk? 17:32, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Hey man im josh (talk) 11:57, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Chronos (pretrained model)

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Written like a advertisement, no RS found. MarkTechPost that is linked in the article is a AI media platform which would land it squarely in unreliability land. Sohom (talk) 11:26, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Filled with techno-words, I'm still not sure what this is or what it does. Regardless, there are two hits, the one used in the article and another PR item. Delete for lack of sourcing. Oaktree b (talk) 12:05, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Completely promotional, lacking sources, and manages to still be pretty vague despite an impressive amount of jargon. No RS to be seen. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 12:39, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per above. Aaron Liu (talk) 01:38, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

delete, no need for a promo page. Artem.G (talk) 11:54, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:01, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

LNER Class Y11

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Article tagged as unsourced, and indeed is unsourced, since 2015. Propose merging into another suitable article, as this doesn't appear to meet notability requirements - a search doesn't yield any reliable sources.
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Keep Sources don't need to be online (and did you check the LNER Encyclopedia link?). I'm not at home right now, but I'm certain that there is information in several books, such as Boddy, M. G.; Fry, E. V.; Hennigan, W.; Hoole, Ken;
ISBN 0-901115-65-7.. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 18:19, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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If those are sources, then perfect - makes perfect sense to have them! Unfortunately I don’t have access to them, nor did I know of their existence… and they weren’t in the article anywhere hence the AfD. Would make sense to add them as sources and close this!
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Merge With an existing article, Motor Rail, this article is not notable enough, furthermore, it doesn't have any sources. EncyclopediaEditorXIV (talk) 18:08, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Plenty of sources. Obscure and small in number doesn't mean non-notable. Andy Dingley (talk) 21:39, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Though a big supporter of mergers, concluding that this is a reasonable and notable SPINOFF. gidonb (talk) 20:52, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 00:41, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thue (programming language)

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Unsourced, non-notable, one of hundreds if not thousands of esolangs. wound theology ◈ 07:11, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Insufficient coverage online/in books to justify inclusion per
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Keep. Aesthetically, the language is simple. Theoretically, the language is founded in
hello world, so it can be fed into a process. --Ancheta Wis (talk | contribs) 13:48, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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None of these are good reasons to keep the page. There's no sources and it isn't notable. wound theology ◈ 19:43, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Most of the content of the article appears to be from the esolang wiki article, and that's the only non-primary mention of it I could find online (And even then, only through the external links section, a quick internet search returned no english-language results). Fails
WP:GNG for me. — Alien333 (what I did & why I did it wrong
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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 11:19, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Saturday Live (British TV program)

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This article was created in 2009 by
WP:NTV would appear to be applicable here. Shirt58 (talk) 🦘 09:47, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Delete: Per nom, this article has somehow been around for 15 years, and yet has zero sources (violating
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Delete I couldn't find any coverage whatsoever. Toadspike [Talk] 09:11, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:47, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hoopla Software

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Fails the
notability guidelines for companies. PROD removed by IP editor claiming "I could find sources" without actually adding any sources. – Teratix ₵ 07:22, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Delete. Sources appear to be primary or
WP:ORGTRIV coverage. Dclemens1971 (talk) 16:25, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Delete This is a company therefore GNG/
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The result was delete‎. Only one article was tagged as being part of this AFD discussion. This was not set up as part of a bundled nomination. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:55, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tardza Project

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The three pages
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Delete all Obviously promotional, laughably so with "intertwined with human struggle, compassion, and the power of dialogue". Paweł Kalinowski is also concerning, though I'm not sure if perhaps that should be redirected to the CarBone article. Sources aren't really substantive or reliable. Reywas92^Talk 15:55, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

delete, reads like ads or self-promo. Artem.G (talk) 11:52, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete all as lacking basic notability and, regardless, so bad quality that
WP:TNT is in order. gidonb (talk) 14:25, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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The result was keep‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:52, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Institute of Materials, Minerals and Mining

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Unclear sources demonstrate notability. Most contributions to this article are from connected contributors, as noted on talk page. -- Beland (talk) 07:07, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep By definition learned societies lead research and thinking in their field, publish the authoritative journals, and have all leading figures in their fellowships. There is rarely going to be a plethora of third party sources as there might be for k-pop stars, Pokémon or footballers. Nevertheless a quick search brought up 1, 2 and 3. Mccapra (talk) 21:23, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: the Institute meets all the requirement for
FREng. I won't lie, I am bit baffled by this nom! :FuzzyMagma (talk) 12:55, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Keep per Mccapra and FuzzyMagma. Passes
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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:48, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shelving engineering

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The phrase "shelving engineering" returns zero google results beyond the name of one particular company. This appears just to be a random miscellaneous thing (shelving) that might need to be engineered, like a zillion other forms of "engineering" with no particular name. E Eng 06:44, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Shelves may be objects of engineering as much as cars or buildings, but I can't find any specific secondary sources (some obscure articles discussing the design of shelves but nothing about a distinct discipline). WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 14:59, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Can't find any sources talking about "shelving engineering" whatsoever and even if there were sources they could be easily added under Shelf, which has plenty of space and is not a long article. Would vote "Merge" except for the lack of significant content or references. Mrfoogles (talk) 20:43, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:49, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

3Roam

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Likely to fail
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Delete: Insufficient coverage, clearly fails
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Comment: Possible COI editing, given that the initial draft of the article was just a copy-paste of press release. See the initial version and look at the last paragraph here. Also, their about page actually links to the Wikipedia article to "learn more", which is unlikely if they didn't write it themselves. However, someone does actually have to do the WP:NCORP checking. If anyone is trying to figure out what this company actually is the archived version of their website is much more helpful than the current one. It appears they've now become a mass-article publishing website trying to do tech support. The article is out of date. Mrfoogles (talk) 20:22, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete unless anyone is able to find reliable sources, which I am not Mrfoogles (talk) 20:40, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete This is a company therefore GNG/
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The result was keep‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:11, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

AREA (fashion label)

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Possible failure of
WP:NCORP some of the claims are Celebrity X wore it here. Also the others seem to be puff pieces and nothing substantial Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 05:13, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Keep The subject has received widespread coverage since 2019. Meets GNG and WP:NCORP- look at the Women’s Wear Daily coverage. Thriley (talk) 12:55, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: The NY Times article is about more than just what Taylor Swift wore.We likely have GNG with the NYT and the Women's Wear article. Oaktree b (talk) 14:32, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, I don't know about the full uppercased title, but deletion seems improbable given the sources mentioned above (and per Taylor Swift, who might not agree that it should be lowercased). Randy Kryn (talk) 15:41, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Leaning toward delete at the moment. I removed a couple egregiously inappropriate statements of the "so-and-so wore something to this event" variety. Even discounting those, though, mainly what I'm seeing is stuff in
trade publications, which are kind of suspect in terms of demonstrating notability. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 17:59, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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I restored those sources. You should be discussing article improvements on the talk page not in the middle of an AfD which is topic-based ie. is this topic notable for inclusion on Wikipedia. -- GreenC 18:30, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Its an article in the New York Times about the company. Really unsure why you would remove that. Did you even look at the cited article? Thriley (talk) 18:33, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Ample coverage. Vogue wrote all about them. https://www.vogue.com/article/area-new-york-fashion-week-profile How the Upstart Label Area Wrote a New Kind of American Fashion Success Story By Steff Yotka September 6, 2019. That and other coverage found, proves this article meets the general notability guidelines. Dream Focus 16:41, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. The problems are with the article not the subject. In addition to sources in the article, a quick google search on their use of crystals turns up plenty.[50][51][52] As a note for other editors, check the article's history; someone is reverting the addition of sourced content to the article as off-topic. Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 18:09, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:50, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Voskos Greek Yogurt

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This was previously deleted, then re-created. Nothing seems to have changed to establish notability. The article cites four sources but the 1st, 3rd and 4th are press releases, on trade blogs that will publish anything about products. The 2nd is a very trivial mention. None of these would seem to establish notability under
WP:CORP. Might be eligible for speedy deletion as a recreation of deleted content, but I can't view what was deleted and it was a long time ago. Here2rewrite (talk) 03:59, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Delete. All available sources are press releases (and other primary sources),
WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS in online reviews of yogurts. Dclemens1971 (talk) 04:47, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Delete: I can only find PR items and trade journal mentions of this product. Agree that what's used now in the article isn't enough for notability. Oaktree b (talk) 12:08, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to List of Namibian first-class cricketers. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:53, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gert Dippenaar

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Redirect to
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Redirect, didn't find any sufficient coverage either. — Alien333 (what I did & why I did it wrong) 11:54, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to
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Redirect, no GNG coverage in The Namibian or AllAfrica, nothing coming up in South African media on PQ. JoelleJay (talk) 22:01, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. I see a consensus to Delete this article. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:15, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Conquest of Hadoti

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Another "Conquest of X" article with 2-3 lines of passing mention: "In the battle that took place at Maholi many Hadas were killed and their families were brought to Mandu. The fort was handed over to Qadam Khan." Clearly it fails SIGCOV, not enough coverage to warrant a standalone article. Based.Kashmiri ^(🗨️) 10:19, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: I found this, which has a whole page dedicated to the subject at page 122. Also search on Google Scholar locates "Sharma, R.K., 1985. MILITARY SYSTEM OF THE KOTA STATE (C-1250 to 1947 AD). Скорина и скориниана, 13, p.65." I can't view the second one so I can't get any comment on how much content is devoted to the subject. TarnishedPath^talk 11:17, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@TarnishedPath that is the whole different event around 1436. The whole page except the last para deals with the conquest of Hadoti by Rana Kumbha, It's the only last para of 4 lines which covers relevant content:
The political situation soon changed, when Mahmud Khilji came to throne in Malwa, He had undertaken several expeditions to bring Hadoti under his sphere of influence. Kumbha adopted a successful policy to give sufficient support to the Hadas against the invasions of the Sultan of Malwa. And that too doesn't describe the outcome. As I said it fails SIGCOV and it's just a meagre part of a different event. Based.Kashmiri ^(🗨️) 13:06, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You're making an argument for updating the article, not deleting it. TarnishedPath^talk 13:10, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No I'm not. What I meant is that the given source is completely unrelated to this event which happened in 1459 not 1436 per above given source. Based.Kashmiri ^(🗨️) 15:20, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, It is clearly a POV article focusing on establishing the dominance of the Malwa Sultanate over the Kingdom of Mewar. The article does not have proper detail of events, and the WP:RS does not have enough mentioning of events like how the seige went and how the fort was conquered. Rawn3012 (talk) 11:28, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please describe how the article fails NPOV. TarnishedPath^talk 14:17, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, concerns that don't raise to the level of HOAX but seriously concerning stuff in regards to notability, NPOV, and wikipuffery that mean this article is not encyclopedic. microbiologyMarcus ^{[petri dish·growths]} 20:00, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per MicrobiologyMarcus. Mccapra (talk) 06:30, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment while I know it is not a proper
WP:G5 but relates to my concerns above. microbiologyMarcus ^{[petri dish·growths]} 14:35, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Delete : This article fails WP:GNG [53]. It has 2-3 lines of coverage from the sources which makes it unsuitable for having a stand-alone article (as Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information [54]) Mohammad Umar Ali (talk) 11:06, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can you please specify which article this material is already covered in, to support your argument that this is unsuitable for a stand-alone article. TarnishedPath^talk 15:59, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I m saying that 2-3 lines of unclear information is not suitable for a standalone article like this one! Mohammad Umar Ali (talk) 16:31, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on
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Russell Johnstone

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Fails
WP:NOLY. The supplied sources are all primary. LibStar (talk) 00:16, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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What's wrong with the Equestrian Life story? BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:26, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Is that a
WP:PRIMARY source? A mainstream media source would be better for establishing notability. LibStar (talk) 20:03, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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How is it primary? It looks like an independent secondary news outlet devoting a story to him. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:11, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The only thing I can think of is that there is no author listed (it just says by Equestrian Life), but I agree it appears to be a usable source for notability purposes. Hopefully LibStar can elaborate on what they mean. Let'srun (talk) 14:33, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, I think I see the issue. It appears that it is a paid promotional piece, since at the bottom of the article there is a note which says " This article was written in conjunction with Barastoc". Barastoc is a sponsor of the subject's team. In that case, the article lacks independence. Let'srun (talk) 14:36, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: From what I can tell, the Equestrian Life story is a paid promotional piece. The other source is a database, and I'm not finding anything better to show this subject meets the
WP:GNG. BLPs require strong secondary sourcing, and that doesn't appear to be there here. Let'srun (talk) 14:45, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:53, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Atala T

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Sorry, another company blatantly failing the
notability guidelines for companies that is ineligible for PROD because this 2007 AfD exists. – Teratix ₵ 02:15, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Delete. Fails
WP:NCORP with absolutely no sources on this subject. Looks like the original creator just recreated the deleted article 15 years ago and no one noticed until now. Better late than never. Dclemens1971 (talk) 08:18, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Delete
WP:CORPDEPTH. A search of the company name brings up no relevant information or coverage (other than the wiki article itself). ADifferentMan (talk) 02:12, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Delete Half the sources are deadlinks and the other don't contain the company's name, clearly not notable enough. — Alien333 (what I did & why I did it wrong) 11:49, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:45, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

B. C. Janardhan Reddy

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PROD contested without improvement. Does not meet
WP:SIGCOV on him. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 01:51, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Keep as a member of an Indian state legislature he definitely does pass NPOL and as he’s also a state minister there’s really no question about it. Mccapra (talk) 06:36, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is the page about a person took Oath as Cabinet Minister of Andhra Pradesh on 12th June 2024^[1]^[2]^[3]
Wikipedia & other editors , this not illegial matter, it is very useful to the viewers. They can know who is this particular Minister
The photo of this person is already existed in Wikimedia commons. So I created this page.
So Wikipedia and editors please don't delete this & please don't nominate for deletion.🙏 Boyina Naga Navadweep Sai (talk) 02:29, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ https://ntvtelugu.com/news/andhrapradesh-cabinet-ministers-taken-oath-today-613936.html

^ https://ddnews.gov.in/en/tdp-supremo-chandrababu-naidu-sworn-in-as-andhra-pradesh-cm-in-presence-of-pm-modi/

^ https://www.ndtv.com/andhra-pradesh-news/andhra-pradesh-pawan-kalyan-among-25-ministers-to-take-oath-with-chandrababu-naidu-5871149

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Keep Andhra Pradesh is an Indian state with a population larger than the average country, or of any US state. This chap is a lot more than a "district level official". Ϣere SpielChequers 22:57, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: He is the member of Andhra Pradesh legislative assembly, so he passes the
WP:NPOL. Youknowwhoistheman (talk) 06:20, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Keep: As a council of minister for the state of Andhra Pradesh he is one of the important persons of the state and I believe people should be able to learn about him. Shannu Nadh (talk) 04:55, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: [...] a district level official, excuse me? Did the nominator even read the article? Indian state legislators, especially state government ministers, clearly meet
WP:NPOL#1. Since the nomination, further sources have been added. Also, is the article mistitled? His assembly profile gives his name as B. C. Janardhana Reddy. Curbon7 (talk) 22:08, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Keep Satisfies every bit of
WP:NPOL. How exactly is a state-level minister a 'district-level official'? There is India, a country, made up of 28 states and 8 Union Territories, of which Andhra Pradesh is one of them. Like the Cabinet at the Government of India, there is a cabinet at the state level, and the subject of this article is a member of said cabinet. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 01:23, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Keep per Mccapra. Passes
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The result was keep‎. Participants argue that NACTOR is met here. Deletion rationale is underwhelming and not solidly based in policy or evidence of BEFORE. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:25, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Philip Daniel Bolden

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Non notable. Minor roles. Bedivere (talk) 01:46, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Strong Keep: The subject person clearly had lead roles in Are We There Yet? (see Screen Rant [55] and Republic TV [56]), Are We Done Yet? (see The New York Times[57] and BBC [58]), and Fly Me to the Moon (see NYT[59] and The Augusta Chronicle[60]), in addition to a supporting role in How to Eat Fried Worms (see Slant Magazine[61] and NYT[62]), so he clearly meets NACTOR#1. Besides, it was stated that the subject person has won one Young Artist Award and been nominated for another, which fulfills ANYBIO#1 for multiple nominations. I have noticed this is the second nomination of the same article, while the nominator has failed to provide any additional rationale or evidence from the previous discussion to demonstrate this article is non-notable. Unless the nominator can provide further elaboration, this appears to be an obvious keep case that may even qualify for a borderline speedy. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 05:08, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep:
WP:NACTOR seems indeed met. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 12:26, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:54, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dmitri Kurakin

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Fails
WP:NSKATE. PROD removed without explanation. Not to be confused with Dmitry Kurakin, sociology professor at Yale University. Bgsu98 (Talk) 00:48, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
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@Bgsu98: multiple Estonian champion at senior-level championships, see [63] Estopedist1 (talk) 06:53, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: although he did win medals at Estonia's Skating Champs I am tempted to still vote keep given there are no independent RSs on this guy. P,TO 19104 (talk) (contribs) 22:57, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: only results, no significant coverage. Best I can find is https://web.archive.org/web/20190317125050/http://www.isuresults.com/bios/isufs00005164.htm --Estopedist1 (talk) 07:05, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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