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Category:Germanic folklore

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Category:Government-owned beauty pageants

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The result of the discussion was: Delete (non-admin closure) * Pppery * it has begun... 17:58, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale:
WP:SMALLCAT 2 P, 0 C. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 23:01, 22 June 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Category:Beauty pageants for married contestants

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Category:Battles in Drenthe

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The result of the discussion was: upmerge.
(non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:20, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: First: It's a
WP:SMALLCAT (1 P), but it can be expanded with stuff like Battle of Ane. More importantly: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 March 24#Category:Battles in Flanders set a precedent by deleting Category:Battles in Flanders and Category:Battles in Wallonia with the rationale: trivial intersection between military history and modern regions by language. My own support comment was: We categorise Category:Battles by "country" (i.e. "battles involving country X"), "period", "type" (naval, aerial etc.), and "war", but not location or geography. (French Wikipedia is one of very few who have a fr:Catégorie:Bataille par lieu, but apart from fr:Catégorie:Bataille sur le sol français, it is relatively empty). Only Flemish and Walloon nationalists would frame battles in terms of Flanders and Wallonia, especially if there is no parent Category:Battles in Belgium
.
It turns out that
WP:REFUND for Category:Battles in Flanders and Category:Battles in Wallonia. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 22:13, 22 June 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
@Marcocapelle: Follow-up to your nom on Flanders and Wallonia. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 22:19, 22 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
nominator carried away, but not relevant to closure
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Category:Emirs of Madagali

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The result of the discussion was: Merge (non-admin closure) * Pppery * it has begun... 17:58, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per
WP:SMALLCAT. This category has only 1 entry. Estopedist1 (talk) 20:16, 22 June 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Surnames

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The result of the discussion was: Delete (non-admin closure) * Pppery * it has begun... 17:58, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Propose deleting:
Nominator's rationale:
WP:SMALLCAT. jlwoodwa (talk) 20:09, 22 June 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
@Hansmuller: Smallcat doesn't give a number but the working consensus has often been 5 articles, although not all editors would agree. - RevelationDirect (talk) 19:33, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Countries results at Miss Earth

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The result of the discussion was: Delete (non-admin closure) * Pppery * it has begun... 17:58, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per
WP:SMALLCAT. This category has only 1 entry. Estopedist1 (talk) 19:31, 22 June 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church by country

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The result of the discussion was: Rename all (non-admin closure) * Pppery * it has begun... 17:58, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: To match the parent article Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church. Laurel Lodged (talk) 15:52, 22 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Euskal Herriko Futbol Txapelketa

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The result of the discussion was: Delete (non-admin closure) * Pppery * it has begun... 17:58, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Single-article category for annual football friendly match - series justifies an article but not each edition, so no prospect of expansion of cat Crowsus (talk) 15:50, 22 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I forget that's there sometimes. Crowsus (talk) 13:06, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Mission schools in Brunei

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The result of the discussion was: Merge to Category:Schools founded by missionaries (non-admin closure) * Pppery * it has begun... 17:58, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: "Mission schools" is unique category name. Deletion or alternative option like we have Category:Schools in Sri Lanka founded by missionaries Estopedist1 (talk) 14:47, 22 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Health professionals

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The result of the discussion was: rename.
(non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:39, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Propose renaming:
107 "Fooian people in health professions"
54 "People in health professions from Foo"
13 "People from Foo in health professions"
Nominator's rationale: for brevity and simplicity.
I see no significant difference in meaning between "People in health professions" and "Health professionals", but the current phrase "People in health professions" is unnecessarily verbose and clumsy. This has led to a confusing variety of formats, which I have grouped above.
Note that there are various other ways in which we could label this set of people, but for now it would be helpful if we could just simplify the wording, without prejudice to any further discussion. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs)
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Category:High-stakes poker players

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The result of the discussion was: Delete (non-admin closure) * Pppery * it has begun... 17:58, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: There is no official definition of "high stakes" in poker. Clarityfiend (talk) 10:37, 22 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Also, there are very few, if any, notable low- or middle-stakes poker players (Richard Nixon). Clarityfiend (talk) 11:35, 22 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
But that just because every midstakes player gets discarded as not noteworthy, eventhue they have merit of inclusion based on their performance on the circuit tour. TheElvisBelievingBumbleBee (talk) 14:39, 22 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Religious groups in Trinidad and Tobago

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The result of the discussion was: Delete (non-admin closure) * Pppery * it has begun... 17:58, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: phrase "Religious groups" is unique. No point to make a redirect to Category:Religious organisations based in Trinidad and Tobago, because just a clutter phrase for enwiki Estopedist1 (talk) 10:30, 22 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Colossal Order (company) games

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The result of the discussion was: keep.
(non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:40, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: WP:SHORTFORM Unnamelessness (talk) 09:06, 22 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:English cricket captains

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The result of the discussion was: rename.
(non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:42, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: This is for captains of the England team ("This category is for the cricketers who have captained England in at least one match", consistent with its subcat
Oculi (talk) 09:00, 22 June 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Category:Dutch political prisoners

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The result of the discussion was: Rename (non-admin closure) * Pppery * it has begun... 17:58, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale:
WP:C2C siblings in Category:Political prisoners by country are almost all named Category:Political prisoners in Fooland. I think this category is meant for the location in which political prisoners have been detained, rather than their nationality. In this case, all 17 people in the category just so happen to have been both imprisoned in the Netherlands (including the former colony of the Dutch East Indies, which was part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands until 1949) and have had Dutch nationality, but that's not always the case. Dutch nationals could be imprisoned abroad, and non-Dutch nationals could be imprisoned in the Netherlands. (Compare Otto Warmbier, a U.S. national imprisoned in North Korea; there is even a whole Category:American people imprisoned in North Korea like Warmbier). Incidentally, the 12 people in child Category:Boven-Digoel concentration camp detainees are all already in parent Category:Dutch political prisoners, so there is some overcat here. Nevertheless, this subcategory is even more clearly about location rather than nationality; "Boven-Digoel concentration camp" was obviously not a country, let alone a nationality, but a location inside the former Dutch East Indies, in a region today known as the Boven Digoel Regency in the Indonesian province of South Papua. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 08:31, 22 June 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
PS: Sibling Category:Political prisoners in former countries with items Political prisoners in Francoist Spain, Political prisoners in Imperial Japan, and Political prisoners in Yugoslavia, seems to confirm location rather than nationality. If this nomination receives support, I plan on CfRing the following siblings next: Category:Hong Kong political prisoners (cat description Current or former political prisoners in Hong Kong., emphasis by me), Category:Indonesian political prisoners, Category:Omani political prisoners (1 P SMALLCAT), Category:Polish political prisoners (main article Political prisoners in Poland), Category:Romanian political prisoners (contradictory parentage), and Category:Russian political prisoners (contradictory parentage). Parent Category:Political prisoners by country should then also probably be renamed Category:Political prisoners by country of detention to avoid further ambiguities and confusion. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 09:08, 22 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
PPS: Incidentally,
WP:NPOV, because then Wikipedia doesn't take a side on the question who was the legitimate authority in Boven-Digoel between 17 August 1945 and 27 December 1949. According to the Netherlands (and formally, probably also under international law), it was "Dutch" territory in which a rebellion against the Dutch government was taking place until 27 December 1949; according to the Republik Indonesia, it was "Indonesian" territory from 17 August 1945 onwards, which was temporarily occupied by the Dutch military during the Indonesian National Revolution (as part of the Netherlands' attempts to retain the Dutch East Indies as its colony) and (ab)used for detaining Republik Indonesia-aligned combatants in Dutch captivity. As a (Dutch) historian (residing in the Netherlands), I can understand both points of view. The Netherlands took even longer to recognise Belgium's independence between 1830 and 1839, but the Dutch withdrawal after the 1831 Ten days' campaign essentially made Belgian independence a fait accompli, and English Wikipedia usually also categorises all things Belgian as if the country has existed since the 4 October 1830 proclamation of independence (e.g. Category:Battles involving Belgium starts in 1830). It is also for this reason why I took 1829 as the end date for the List of wars in the southern Low Countries (1560–1829), so that from 1830 onwards, the List of wars involving Belgium can begin. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 09:48, 22 June 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Assassinated Central American politicians‎

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The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic London 09:53, 29 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: delete, apparently abandoned category scheme. I am also not sure if generally North American categories need to be diffused to Central American. It seems enough to diffuse by country. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:10, 22 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Sentient objects in fiction

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus to delete, so rename to Category:Fiction about sentient objects, which follows many similar precedents. No objection to creating a list which could include objects that should be taken out of the renamed category – so I will list the current contents on the category talk page. – Fayenatic London 10:49, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: More narrow scope; doesn't include fiction with minor mentions. Not sure why the object has to necessarily be sentient to qualify, so I modified it to "intelligent". ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:05, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 07:35, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support "Fiction about", since it widens the scope considerably. The current title implies that the articles are about the objects, rather than the works of fiction. But I prefer to keep the description about sentience. These are objects depicted as having a life , intelligence, and emotions of their own. Dimadick (talk) 21:48, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Listify, if wanted. This is all
    WP:OR. And even if it wasn't, this is conflating animated objects, with AI, with posession, with anthropomorhic objects, with, with, with... Every entry need explanation and clarification. Can't be done through categorisation. - jc37 10:04, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply
    ]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 02:22, 22 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:List of AA Films distributed Hindi Dubbed films

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The result of the discussion was: Rename to Category:AA Films films (non-admin closure) * Pppery * it has begun... 17:58, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Non-defining
WP:TRIVIALCAT — DaxServer (t · m · c) 11:49, 25 March 2023 (UTC)[reply
]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: The category name is obviously malformed, but would like to see if there's a landing spot for films by distributer.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, bibliomaniac15 02:02, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 02:20, 22 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Infobox road instances in Victoria

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Category:Germanic women

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The result of the discussion was: rename / delete.
(non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:58, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: Follow-up to
WP:C2C argument?), but that can probably better be merged into it, as it doesn't really have distinct contents unique to it that are not already in Category:Germanic women (e.g. Category:Germanic seeresses is a child of both), or could not be in it (e.g. Women in Anglo-Saxon society is also already in sibling Category:Anglo-Saxon women). Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 01:35, 22 June 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Category:T-Mobile US branded venue

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The result of the discussion was: Delete (non-admin closure) * Pppery * it has begun... 17:58, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per
WP:NONDEFINING
We have a whole Category:Buildings and structures by company tree, but that's for actual company facilities defined by the assocation. The three articles here are marketing agreements to rent naming rights: T-Mobile Center (formerly Sprint Center), T-Mobile Arena, and T-Mobile Park (formerly Safeco Field). All three are already linked in the marketing section of the T-Mobile US article for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:47, 22 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:XFL (2001) venues

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