Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Musicians/Archive 14

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Hi. Can I ask for the project to look at this page. We have had two ip editors making changes which includes changing the formatting of the article.Davidstewartharvey (talk) 06:54, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

Had a look through the edit history and talk page discussion, and here's what I see.

One, there's nothing wrong with an editor determing that a single long paragraph would be better broken up into multiple smaller ones. Rather than just reverting those edits by calling them "non constructive amendments" and citing a totally irrelevant thing like In the news, you should've gone to the talk page and explained to the other editor why you feel the formatting was better as it was.

Two, those other editors (only one of whom is an IP) are correct that the Billboard source does not say what the article claimed it did. Removing that false statement was totally valid. Why the apparent "numerous editors" who had previously looked at the page didn't notice that, I couldn't tell you, but that doesn't make it correct. QuietHere (talk) 08:30, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

The problem is that the said record quoted in Billboard is the first song that can only be reliably referenced as a release by John Miles as a solo artist. I have no problem with the wording being changed, but just deleting a reliable source and the song is wrong. In addition article was formatted by two different ip addresses but the last one has adequate the same changes as the previous one, including removing block quotes. I don't want to get into an editing war which is why I asked the project talk page to look and assess.Davidstewartharvey (talk) 10:36, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi! I've been working on this article

Importance is just a way for WikiProjects such as the ones listed on the talk page to prioritize certain articles. The majority of articles will be listed as low importance because they aren't core subjects. Importance is pretty ignorable in my experience. In fact, multiple WikiProjects have removed importance, including Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums just the other day. QuietHere (talk) 22:37, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for that – the significance of "importance" had definitely been a bit of a mystery to me. Would you happen to have any insight into what it means that this article is "supported by" this project, but is still under review? Is this effectively noting that someone has marked this article as being relevant for an editor on this project to review, but that the importance of doing so is low? And would you be able to offer any insight on the quality of the article itself & its likelihood of being accepted whenever it is reviewed? Thanks so much for your help! Genly Ai (talk) 16:19, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Being "supported by" a WikiProject just means it lands within that project's scope. Questions related to those articles would be directed toward those projects' talk pages, the projects maintain those articles' quality ratings, things like that. But WikiProjects don't affect the draft process. When you submit a draft, it goes through the articles for creation process which includes a standard review of sourcing and other potential snags. That'll happen eventually, but as the template as the top says, the queue is long so it could be a while. I've had drafts sit for multiple months before. It just requires patience.

As for the article quality, from what I can tell this person mostly works in video games which I admit I'm not overly familiar with source-wise. To my eyes, it looks like most statements in the article are sourced, though whether those sources are reliable I couldn't say. There are some things where a source is obviously missing which I will tag, some of which might just be trivia which doesn't really need inclusion anyway. But aside from that, the article looks solid to me. QuietHere (talk) 18:46, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks so much for your response and for taking a look through the article! Life has prevented me from getting back here to thank you sooner, but I wanted to let you know that I appreciate it. Fingers crossed on this article eventually being accepted. Genly Ai (talk) 01:14, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Goonies Never Say Die has gotten just one response so far and more would be appreciated. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 02:28, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

I was drafting some expansions to the article on American musician Blondshell, but it turns out the artist also had a separately notable career under the name BAUM (she was covered under that name by Billboard twice,[1][2] Nylon,[3] Paper,[4] The Fader,[5] The Line of Best Fit,[6][7] just to name a few, and apparently one of her songs was used in a Target ad campaign [8][9]). My first thought was to have the existing article cover both phases of her career, which I'd been drafting here, but that's already looking a bit unduly lengthy for someone whose first full-length album isn't even out yet.

Then I thought to draft BAUM as a separate article, but I'm not sure how to categorize it, since some sources (like this Bandcamp blurb and this Dazed article) seem to frame both it and Blondshell as separate musical projects of Sabrina Teitelbaum, but a lot of other sources (for example [10][11][12]) describe them as just her stage names. I've heard of the former getting its own article when notable enough, but not as much the latter.

Point being: How should I proceed? Is there precedent for something like this, where a solo artist is potentially article-worthy in more than one incarnation? What would be the most appropriate way to handle this? Invisiboy42293 (talk) 20:01, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Looks to me like you've overestimated the length of both articles. I don't think it matters whether the artist has released a full album or just a series of EPs/singles (especially since the lead album is coming this year from one of the bigger indie labels). Coverage is coverage. I would write them as one article at first and see how it comes together, and if it's really too long then it can be split after. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 20:27, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

That makes sense, thanks! I had a feeling I was overthinking it lol Invisiboy42293 (talk) 20:38, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Feeder (band) has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Onegreatjoke (talk) 18:35, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

Quality assessments by Wikipedia editors rate articles in terms of completeness, organization, prose quality, sourcing, etc. Most wikiprojects follow the general guidelines at Wikipedia:Content assessment, but some have specialized assessment guidelines. A recent Village pump proposal was approved and has been implemented to add a |class= parameter to {{WikiProject banner shell}}, which can display a general quality assessment for an article, and to let project banner templates "inherit" this assessment.

No action is required if your wikiproject follows the standard assessment approach. Over time, quality assessments will be migrated up to {{WikiProject banner shell}}, and your project banner will automatically "inherit" any changes to the general assessments for the purpose of assigning categories.

However, if your project has decided to "opt out" and follow a non-standard quality assessment approach, all you have to do is modify your wikiproject banner template to pass {{WPBannerMeta}} a new |QUALITY_CRITERIA=custom parameter. If this is done, changes to the general quality assessment will be ignored, and your project-level assessment will be displayed and used to create categories, as at present. Aymatth2 (talk) 14:58, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

Hello, WikiProject Biography and WikiProject Musicians members,

I am reaching out to request a review of my recent submission, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Simon_Duffy_(Producer).

The article focuses on the life and career of Simon Duffy, a notable songwriter/producer who has made significant contributions to the music industry. Given the subject's notability and relevance to the biographical and musician genre, I believe this article falls within the scope of WikiProject Biography and Musicians.

My submission has undergone an initial review, and I have since made necessary revisions based on the feedback provided. However, the review process for the updated version has been delayed, and I am hoping that someone from this WikiProject could help by reviewing the article and providing further guidance or feedback.

I appreciate any assistance you can provide in reviewing this submission, and I am open to making further improvements based on your feedback. Thanks for your consideration.

Sincerely, LeftfieldArchivist LeftfieldArchivist (talk) 10:03, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Unfortunately, it looks like S0091's reason for rejecting your article in January still applies. Most of the sourcing is unreliable and you haven't quite proven notability, and from a brief skim I have my doubts you'd be able to. The majority of people who write on a handful of notable songs/songs by notable artists aren't themselves notable, and it looks like you picked one of that majority. But don't be discouraged, this happens to the best of us; just gotta refocus your energy elsewhere and hopefully you'll pick a winner then. And be sure to brush up on

MOS:TITLECAPS, etc.) QuietHere (talk | contributions

) 16:52, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Sincerely appreciate your reply. What a breath of fresh air! I have followed your advice, fixed some formatting errors, and removed any links that are less than notable. I've also labelled it as a stub. Are you able to approve this for me? Cheers LeftfieldArchivist (talk) 11:34, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

If I may chime in here, the main issue QuietHere mentioned was of sourcing. All of your sources are websites. That's not good sourcing. Rely more on physically published material or from websites that have much greater weight because they published physically (e.g. Billboard or Variety or a major newspaper or magazine). Improving all the formatting will not make your article more acceptable until you have better sources. - kosboot (talk) 12:11, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Understood and thank you. I have removed many of the websites and am now relying primarily on editorial links. Still learning here, and I appreciate your feedback. LeftfieldArchivist (talk) 12:22, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

I am drafting an article for this band's lead singer, and I think I may have uncovered something interesting. While working on a section of her early life, I found this reference from Revolver which gives an interesting look at her father, a college basketball coach, and hints he's notable, but does not name him. It names Jacksonville, Alabama as one of the places she grew up in when her parents were still together, and after looking up the history of the Jacksonville State Gamecocks men's basketball team, I found a family name match: Mike LaPlante, the head coach of the Gamecocks from 2000-2008. Mike also was an assistant at Auburn and Maine, which are both also mentioned in the Revolver article. Mike's article on Wikipedia is terrible and barely sourced, but it mentions a family including one Courtney. When I tried to find connections to this, I found a Twitter account belonging to one Mike LaPlante who frequently retweeted and replied to Spiritbox and Courtney's tweets.

It is so painfully obvious that this is him, but I know our sources aren't good enough to add it right now. I know it's possible to connect him, but even if better sources come out, is it even worth giving him the credit? It seems possible to me that Courtney went to a certain length to hide that information. EDIT: The only thing I could find is the JSU website's entry on Mike, which does mention Courtney. It's also 20 years old, though it was updated until Courtney was 17. [13]

02:35, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

Any feedback at all? Hello?

oops

21:48, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

You shoulda provided a link to your draft which would have helped you by providing information to us editors. I found the information that I needed - she was born in Anoka Minnesota on March 23, 1989 (info from Ancestry). Her middle name is Kay (crucially important as there are numerous people named "Courtney LaPlante" most prominently one who lived 1996-1998). However, that link - https://www.ancestry.com/sharing/3327739?mark=7b22746f6b656e223a2236734b64696f35386d52346a532b376c454f355074466e6a584d2b335761584971396d7172615541514a6b3d222c22746f6b656e5f76657273696f6e223a225632227d - indicates that her parents are James Scott LaPlante and Sandra Lynn LaPlante. - kosboot (talk) 22:35, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

You sure you've got the right one? I was pretty sure it was obvious it was at

oops

13:35, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Please bear in mind that ancestry.com is to a great extent driven by user input and is not generally a reliable source. See

primary source, which imposes its own restrictions). TJRC (talk

) 17:49, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

For sure, things like family trees are always suspect. But I was looking at official birth certificates, certainly more reliable. I think the problem is that the Courtney LaPlante who is the subject of the article needs more verification as to who she is, when/where she was born. In any case, one can't make inferences on WP so unless we can find a document stating that Mike (or James) is her father, it can't be stated. - kosboot (talk) 20:04, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Also, yes primary sources are a problem, but if they are on Ancestry that automatically means they are published. So less of a problem. - kosboot (talk) 20:06, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Seeking help for a draft

Good day members of WikiProject Biography and WikiProject Musicians! For a few weeks, I have contributed to the

WP:MUSIC

, I am writing to this WikiProject to ask for advice on what is still wrong with this draft so that it may be accepted sooner than I expect. The draft's subject is a Filipino boy band that has been the subject of media coverage for a few weeks now, and may merit its own article. Warm regards, EdrianJustine (talk) 08:03, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

See my comments to the previous topic. From what I can see, the only reliable source you use is The Manila Times. If you remove everything else, you don't have much of an article, particularly as the group has not done anything. Think a little bit on how you're using Wikipedia. You're not using it to document events, you're using it to announce the formation of a group which has not done anything. I suggest you carefully read

WP:PROMO, because it seems to me that is what you're doing. I would suggest hold on to this article and wait a year to see what happens. - kosboot (talk

) 10:53, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the advice. I greatly appreciate your feedback and I would surely do my best to resolve the issues brought to light. EdrianJustine (talk) 05:13, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Iron Maiden

Iron Maiden has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 13:34, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Ilaiyaraaja

Ilaiyaraaja has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Onegreatjoke (talk) 21:28, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Nixxem Thiswaybd (talk) 23:12, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Nixxen

Chibueze Emmanuel Chibueze professional known as Nixxen Afrobeats and R&B from Nigeria Thiswaybd (talk) 23:14, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

@Thiswaybd do you have a question related to Nixxen or are you just here to let us know about them? QuietHere (talk | contributions) 23:32, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

For context, I assume you're referring to Draft:Nixxen. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 00:10, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Fifty Vinc

Greetings, I am currently working on a

draft article regarding Vincent Jewell, better known as Fifty Vinc. I have already submitted the draft 2 times for review, however the first versions were not very good and lacked relevant sources. In the meantime, I have continued to work on the draft, adding more sources and resubmitting it for review. I would be happy if someone would give me some feedback and maybe some tips on the current draft to get it to be considered as an article. Thank you in advance. Matthew Tailor (talk

) 14:39, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Input request

Members may wish to comment here as several musicians have been the recipient of this award. The outcome could also impact other categories on awards in the arts by setting a precedent. All opinions welcome. See Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 July 1#Category:Kennedy Center honorees.4meter4 (talk) 19:22, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Talk:Luther_Vandross#WP:LEADIMAGE_BRD

Leadimage discussion, your input is welcome. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:49, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Crywolf

Hello WPMusicians, I recently wrapped up my work on

Draft:Crywolf about a decently successful experimental musician and would like to receive some feedback on it. I modelled his page off of Mothica due to them kinda existing in the same sphere online so I'm hoping to match that article's C-class rating at the minimum. Crywolf is redlinked from a couple obscure places but appears to have been speedy deleted over lack of significance so if anyone could quickly confirm mine passes both significance and notability that would be much appreciated in particular.Orchastrattor (talk

) 01:53, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

Draft: Huang Renjun

Hi editors! I did an article page for Kpop Idol Huang Renjun, a member of NCT Dream. I modelled his article from that of his other member pages, so please have a look and let me know if there's anything else I can do to help it get published. it's my first ever article so i will love to learn from editors on how i can get it closer to publishing status. I've tried to get facts off the official sites, as well as official news reports, and also from korea media articles. Thank you! Intuivo (talk) 03:19, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

How do we style a name? Anderson Ponty Band or AndersonPonty Band

Additional input at Talk:Jon_Anderson#AndersonPonty_Band_or_Anderson_Ponty_Band would be appreciated on how to style a band name. Is it the Anderson Ponty Band, or the AndersonPonty Band? Bondegezou (talk) 09:51, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Proposal at Template talk:Infobox musical artist

Hi all! I recently started a thread at Template talk:Infobox musical artist#Discography parameter proposal, which proposes adding a new parameter to Infobox musical artist. If anyone has opinions or feedback on this idea, please feel free to follow the link and share your thoughts. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 19:13, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Nomination of Geoff Warburton for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Geoff Warburton is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Geoff Warburton until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished.

QuietHere (talk | contributions) 23:45, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Ric Ocasek: ancestry

Opinions on including (or deleting) information about the musician Ric Ocasek's Czech ancestry would be welcome in the discussion here. Thank you. Doremo (talk) 00:57, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Coco Lee

The biography appears unbalanced in light of ongoing controversies. Reports of her husband's infidelity are covered much less compared to a workplace incident being prematurely connected to her health issues and death by an editor. Inputs would be appreciated on the talk page. Vacosea (talk) 13:09, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

Need help with a wreck of a band article

Thirteenth Step (band) is included in my local city WikiProject, but its issues are rather extreme and I'm not really skilled at tackling band articles. Could someone here please take a look at this article and see what can be done? Even if you decide it needs to be deleted, that's an acceptable outcome. Thanks! Stefen Tower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 23:20, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Had a look myself and I suspect deletion is the right move. There's a long list of sources, but it appears the only reliable one is a Loudwire article about a different band's tour which doesn't even mention Thirteenth Step. I'll put it up for an AfD just in case anyone else can find anything, but I didn't from my search just now. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 01:36, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Kylie Minogue

Looking for other experienced editors in the music topic space to comment on Talk:Kylie Minogue#RfC. Input would be really appreciated, thank you! PHShanghai | they/them (talk) 16:14, 23 October 2023 (UTC)