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Q1. Why is Ukraine listed as the second-largest country in Europe? France is. (Or alternately, Denmark is.)
It's an ambiguous statement, and depends on whether you include non-European territories or not, and whether you include disputed territories or not. The totality of France (which includes French Guiana) is larger than Ukraine, but the European part of France (Metropolitan France) is smaller than Ukraine. Although Denmark is in Europe, Greenland is in North America. Q2. Kyiv or Kiev?
This is a topic for discussion at Talk:Kyiv. The current transliteration is based on the Ukrainian spelling of the name: "Kyiv" (pronounced "KEE-ev"). The Russian version is "Kiev" (pronounced "KEE-ef") is associated with the Russification of Ukraine. Source:."Slownik geograficzny Krolestwa Polskiego i innych krajow slowianskich". Druk „Wieku” Nowy Świat. 1883. Archived from the original on 5 March 2022. |
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ukraine coastline no longer borders the sea of azov
Russia has control of the coast of the sea of azov, the article should be updated to reflect this. Rqpaine (talk) 00:58, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
Yeah, Russia's, but it's illegal, it's just mean capture of actually Ukrainian territories. Almost any country in the world recognizes these captures, because it isn't legally Artekimus (talk) 16:32, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
Correction: doesn't recognize* Artekimus (talk) 16:33, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Artekimus:, I agree with you here 100% that it’s illegal and that it’s Ukrainian territory. I would like to add that very few countries recognize the invasion of Crimea or the fake “republics” DNR and LNR. -🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦Україні🇺🇦Героям🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦(talk)🇺🇦 16:07, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
Recentism
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Hello, I have a slight suggestion to make. The sections "Euromaiden and Revolution of Dignity" and the Russo-Ukrainian War sections that come after that should be put under one section: "Euromaiden and the Russo-Ukrainian War." 8 years do not need three separate sections, one catch-all section suffices. 2601:85:C101:C9D0:4056:C39C:E04C:1C5C (talk) 03:02, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
Not done: The events covered are distinct enough to warrant individual sections, as evidenced by their individual main articles. WelpThatWorked (talk) 18:00, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
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Member of the UN since creation
Is Ukraine a state Member of the UN since its creation? How can Ukraine be a member of the UN without being independent? 2A02:8425:642:D701:BF55:9F65:2A1C:85EB (talk) 08:38, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- 1) Yes, Ukraine was an original member of the UN. 2) Because the UN founders said it could. Aside from Ukraine and Belarus (whose memberships were pushed for by the Soviet Union), India, the Philippines, and New Zealand were founding members that would not be considered to have been fully sovereign at the time of the UN's formation if judged by current standards. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 12:32, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- Soviet Union was a founding member (succeeded by Russia), as well as Ukrainian SSR and Belarusian/Belorussian SSR. Mellk (talk) 21:59, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
Ukraine GDP per capita
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Hello, additional edit needed to this article. According to already existent source, GDP Per Capita in Ukraine (2021) is 4,830 USD, not 4,380 USD. Same with overall GDP, GDP (PPP) and GDP (PPP) Per Capita. Sieniuk (talk) 15:23, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
Grand Duchy of Lithuania
I hope you will not be against the fact that I added the Grand Duchy of Lithuania to the formation of Ukraine. This year, historians of the Ukrainian Institute of National Memory, justifying all stages of the formation of Ukrainian statehood, added the Grand Duchy of Lithuania to the list of subjects of Ukrainian statehood. It is not in the text of Volodymyr Zelenskyi's decree. In the article prepared by historians of the institute for the Day of Ukrainian Statehood, it is noted that since the middle of the 14th century, Ukrainian lands became part of the Kingdom of Poland and the Grand Duchy of Lithuania.
"The actual successor of the traditions of Russia was the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, one of the largest states in Europe at that time. Economically and culturally, the Russian lands were much more developed than the Lithuanian ones. Russian elites formed the face of the Lithuanian state. Many norms of Russian law, titles of positions, estates, management system, etc. were learned. Russian became the state language of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, which was used for business papers," says the article of the Ukrainian Institute of National Remembrance. The main source of law was "Ruska Pravda", and later "Lithuanian Statutes" based on it. Ukrainian lands within the Grand Duchy of Lithuania enjoyed wide autonomy.
On Thursday, July 28, the President of Lithuania Gitanas Nauseda spoke at the meeting of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine. He presented the President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelenskyi with the Order of Vytautas the Great - the highest award of Lithuania. Uliana245 (talk) 18:12, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
Requested move 28 July 2022
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Ukraine → The Ukraine – While this article is currently titled "Ukraine," and that is the politically correct term for the country that is used predominately as of late, the fact remains that for a significant period of time up until the very recent present, including in reliable sources, the country was referred to as "The Ukraine." I do not necessarily support the article being renamed as such per se, but while there is any ambiguity as to the name in official sources, I think we should have a move request debate in order to establish consensus. I feel that as it is, with the large number of older yet still reliable and authoritative sources using "The Ukraine," it would benefit maintaining rigor in wiki policy to fully establish use of "Ukraine" as 100% supported by reliable sources before taking it for granted. While I understand many people are very emotional about this issue, we have to remember that our job is to use the name most referenced by reliable authorities, including ones that aren't just contemporary news articles, not the name a certain people or nation may prefer for themselves if it is not extensively documented enough in secondary literature. So while I know many people will support "Ukraine" as the proper name on a kneejerk basis, let us keep the older and still largely relevant and reliable sources saying otherwise in mind. Please use as many sources as possible to support your claims in this debate, including older and non-Western/Eurocentric ones. 2601:405:4400:9420:50B5:BD47:2846:F0B (talk) 22:39, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose and speeedy close. ]
- I think this issue is controversial enough and has enough literature on both sides that it doesn't deserve a speedy close. Is there a reason you support speedy close rather than providing evidence against the move? I just think a debate would be healthy to consider relevant sources using both forms of the name. 2601:405:4400:9420:50B5:BD47:2846:F0B (talk) 23:09, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- ""The Ukraine" is incorrect both grammatically and politically, says Oksana Kyzyma of the Embassy of Ukraine in London."[8] Saying it is recent only makes it ]
- My claim is that the insistence on usage of "Ukraine" is recentism, because it's only been predominant in the media for a decade or two, whereas "The Ukraaine" was used in countless reliable secondary sources for much, much longer. So citing WP:RECENTISM actually helps my point in this matter. 2601:405:4400:9420:50B5:BD47:2846:F0B (talk) 23:15, 28 July 2022 (UTC)]
- Having read the article you would have read this: "After the collapse of the Soviet Union, Ukrainians probably decided that the article denigrated their country [by identifying it as a part of Russia] and abolished 'the' while speaking English, so now it is simply Ukraine". ]
- My claim is that the insistence on usage of "Ukraine" is recentism, because it's only been predominant in the media for a decade or two, whereas "The Ukraaine" was used in countless reliable secondary sources for much, much longer. So citing
- ""The Ukraine" is incorrect both grammatically and politically, says Oksana Kyzyma of the Embassy of Ukraine in London."[8] Saying it is recent only makes it ]
- I think this issue is controversial enough and has enough literature on both sides that it doesn't deserve a speedy close. Is there a reason you support speedy close rather than providing evidence against the move? I just think a debate would be healthy to consider relevant sources using both forms of the name. 2601:405:4400:9420:50B5:BD47:2846:F0B (talk) 23:09, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose and speeedy close. ]
- Oppose move. Ukraine is typically referred to without the "the". O.N.R. (talk) 23:04, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- You're correct that it typically is, but this is a relatively recent phenomenon, even in the 90s plenty of reliable Western and non-Western sources used the "the." While it's one thing to keep names up-to-date, I still think this is recent enough that the preponderance of the sources suggesting usage of "The Ukraine" deserve some weight. 2601:405:4400:9420:50B5:BD47:2846:F0B (talk) 23:07, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose and speedy per WP:SNOWBALL. Current common name is "Ukraine". It was Ukraine in 2003 on enwiki: [9] and major English language media use Ukraine now: [10], [11], and [12]. No reason for change given. Skynxnex (talk) 23:19, 28 July 2022 (UTC)]
- Oppose and snowclose.--Ortizesp (talk) 01:52, 29 July 2022 (UTC)