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 – Candidate withdrew. –xeno^talk 21:01, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Removed content: Special:Diff/925386649; Special:Diff/925387213

Reporting that the above-noted RfA (GRuban's) has had significant contributions by an apparent sockpuppet. I've been already involved somewhat in this RfA in a clerking capacity - including responding to the alleged sock, so I think that other bureaucrats will need to handle this new development, and how and whether it should affect the course of the candidacy. –xeno^talk 20:19, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Why have the comments been removed rather than struck, now the discussions they took part in look bizarre! ——SN54129 20:29, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Well, because they're ineligible contributions. Also I don't generally strike other users' comments: it gives the impression that the contributing user withdrew the remark - which is not the case here. The remarks have been removed as ineligible. I didn't feel it appropriate to remove the contributions by the eligible participants, because some of the remarks remained germane to the candidacy. If they wish to reduce the bizzare-ness of the remaining comments, those users are free to remove their remarks with whatever form of

wp:redact they desire. –xeno^talk 20:38, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

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And why does no-one else do this? ——SN54129 20:41, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure - I can't speak for others. –xeno^talk 20:47, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

...and they have so spoke: the consensus seems to be to follow WP:SOCKSTRIKE. Happy days! ——SN54129 04:58, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I’d prefer a wider range of opinions, and something policy-based. That’s an essay, and it still includes outright removal as an option. –xeno^talk 11:04, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The disingenuity is noted. ——SN54129 16:39, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I’m afraid I don’t get your meaning. If you feel consensus exists to leave RfA contributions purported to be both topic and block evading in situ, please ping additional bureaucrats, or ask at WP:ARCA, or WT:RFA, and I will be guided by a fuller consensus of my colleagues, a committee declaration, or wider consensus. –xeno^talk 16:52, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I would have struck the edits with a note that they were made by a sockpuppet of a blocked user, or even just indented the !vote. My opinion, which I concede may well be unpopular, is that in this case, the cat is out of the bag, and there's not much point to remove the comments. We can't make the RfA go back in time before any comments by ineligible account, pretend no one saw or was influenced by them, and so on. A borderline RfA was never decided by one !vote, anyway. I'm not going to do any reversions/edits to it, but I don't really agree with the present course of actions, yet I don't disagree with it enough to actually change something to the RfA. Maxim_(talk) 20:50, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Might as well just unblock and lift the topic ban, in that case. –xeno^talk 21:01, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Xeno, such a comment seems to be hyperbole based on a gross misunderstanding of my response. There is your way, which makes the discussion very difficult to follow. That's not ideal. There's my way, which effectively leaves in comments made in violation of a block and a topic ban. That also sucks. I simply argue that my way is the lesser of two evils. I don't expect you to agree, but jumping to "unblock and lift the topic ban" is a very big stretch, and frankly, uncalled for. Maxim_(talk) 21:17, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Drawing a line through someone’s words has no net effect. Their contributions remain in place; so if this is how they will be handled, my vote is to eliminate the theatre.

I’d suggest kicking upstairs to the committee, and let them deal with how to handle these comments if we can expect future contributions of this type. –xeno^talk 21:51, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• I've noticed that I've crossed edits with GRuban submitting a withdrawal message. I've asked them to confirm, given the fresh development. –xeno^talk 20:47, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• WP:SOCKSTRIKE says if there are other replies it's generally best to strike out their comment rather than remove it, specifically to avoid such concerns as mentioned above. I agree that it's largely a moot point with the nomination being withdrawn, but it still means for a fractured discussion for if and when the next try comes around and someone goes looking at RFA #1. Primefac (talk) 21:42, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
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  The original state is available in the revision history. The whole page should probably be courtesy blanked anyway. –xeno^talk 02:26, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• I would not have removed those comments as (1) the logic trail of the RFA is now hard to follow, and (2) this was a significant event that affected the RFA (rattled the candidate) and even if withdrawn (should either have done earlier, but not now), should remain on the record for others to understand.

You did your best here xeno, but this insanity of compressing a major decision-making process (simultaneous !voting and discussion), into 7-days (unlike any other making decision making process in WP), is being gamed. A reasonable candidate with a 14-year record, got “run out of town” from making a tiny number of mistakes (thr were mistakes, no doubt), that many !voted on without really investigating the factbase of the mistakes in question.

If this was AfD, I would have given it a 7-day re-list to get people to calm down and engage more in the factbase. RFA is an AFD with a 7-day hard stop? Works fine for standard cases, but many other AFDs would also be car-crash if it had this rule. Britishfinance (talk)

If ifs and ands were pots and pans, there would be no work for tinkers Leaky caldron (talk) 22:00, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Britishfinance, they withdrew their nomination, so whether or not this had some sort of "relist" (or even went to a 'crat chat) is kind of a moot point. Primefac (talk) 23:20, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Primefac, but maybe if he knew that RFAs that still had over say 50% support would automatically get another 7-day re-list (kind of what AfD is), then he would have stayed the course and everybody would have taken a rethink and the socking issue could have been reflected on. The contradiction of RfA is that it is considered (I think) the most broken major decision making process in WP, and yet anytime it is suggested that RfA could borrow techniques from other less-broken major decision making processes (eg pre-vote discussion/question per ArbCom and ANI, or re-lists per AFD), the strong pushback is that it would be awful. But could RfA get any more awful than it is now? A process that only works when there are no issues, but spontaneously collapses when subject to any stress, imho. Britishfinance (talk) 23:38, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That's a fair point, and I'm not here to debate the merits of the system as it exists, just replying to your initial comment. Maybe they would have stayed the course if there was a "if it's 50% relist" option, but that's not how it currently works so debating ifs and buts is a rather pointless venture, and not what this noticeboard is for. Primefac (talk) 23:57, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Evad37 (current rights · rights management · rights log (local) · rights log (global/meta) · block log)

Requesting restoration of

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WP:2FA enabled on your account? — xaosflux ^Talk 00:44, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

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Yes, I have 2FA enabled - Evad37 [talk] 08:16, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Done. Primefac (talk) 11:13, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]