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	You already got one of these above, but you should get another one. Really, really good idea, and the proposal itself was well done as well. Enterprisey (talk!) 04:37, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

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the pictures of Anna Gréki are free of copyright and they are in the public domain of Algeria

All pictures taken before 1987 and especilly during the french colonisation are free from copyright you can check similar uploaded file here and you can also check the license :

Mostefa Ben Boulaïd#/media/File:Benboulaid.JPG Riad Salih (talk) 15:32, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

@Riad Salih: You should make that point at Commons:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Anna Greki.jpg. But was the picture taken in Algeria or in France? Aymatth2 (talk) 15:36, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

in Algeria she lived and died in Algeria Riad Salih (talk) 15:38, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

She alternated between Algeria and France. She went to university in France, when this picture could have been taken, returned to Algeria, was deported in 1958, returned to Algeris after 1962. This discussion belongs at Commons:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Anna Greki.jpg. Aymatth2 (talk) 15:51, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello Aymatth2,

Hope you are doing well, I just wanted a clarification from you since you have a long experience here, So I would like to ask you about Commons:Copyright rules by territory/Algeria in the "Not protected" section of the article it's mentioned that :

• State works, legally made available for public use in non-profit generating purposes, may be freely used subject to maintaining the work wellbeing and highlighting its source. State works, within the context of this article, shall mean works produced and published by various state institutions, local groups and public establishments of administrative nature.^{[Law of 2003, Art.9]}

Does it mean that the state works is free from copyright and can be shared in commons? If yes can we create an appropriate tag for it?

Thank you very much for your time and consideration. Riad Salih (talk) 18:13, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

• @Riad Salih: I do not think these works can be used. The English version seems to be a poor translation. The French version clearly excludes use for commercial purposes. Les œuvres de l’État rendues licitement accessibles au public peuvent être librement utilisées à des fins non lucratives, sous réserve du respect de l’intégrité de l’œuvre et de l’indication de la source. On Wikimedia Commons we do not allow any conditions on how a work can be used. Aymatth2 (talk) 20:08, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

  Thank you for your response,

  i'm good at both, french and arabic I will try to read the rules carefully and let you know to guide me. Riad Salih (talk) 20:17, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

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Hi. Thanks for getting the new quality assessment system up and running; it really simplifies things. However, I notice that the vast majority of pages have yet to be updated with the new system. I'm curious, why hasn't there been a bot- or AWB-assisted mass implementation of this? Or is that already in the works? Thanks! InfiniteNexus (talk) 18:46, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

• There is a plan to run a bot or bots to migrate to the new structure, but the editors working on changes to the templates are finding a lot of minor issues and want to resolve them first. Check Template talk:WikiProject banner shell and its archives for an idea of what is being done. Aymatth2 (talk) 15:56, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
  • I see. InfiniteNexus (talk) 21:31, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

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I have a question about Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)/Archive 198#Project-independent quality assessments closure. Not a complaint about the closure but how this change might affect pages that I monitor. Semi-regularly, I look over WikiProjects and sometimes change the status of the project to reflect an increased or decreased level of activity. Over the years, I've discovered that marking a WikiProject as "inactive" can affect or remove the quality assessment categories from articles. Occasionally, when all of the assessment categories for an inactive WikiProject are emptied, they are sometimes deleted.

Recently, I've noticed a new phenomena that I wonder might have something to do with the quality assessment banner change. To be upfront, I'm not well-versed on the article assessment process and even less so on banner templates, my interest in this subject has to do with the categories. But now I'm coming across WikiProjects where the some previously full categories are now emptied but others have been left alone. I think this will be better explained with an example, Wikipedia:WikiProject Insects/ant task force. Right now, all of the categories in Category:Ant task force articles by quality have been emptied but not the categories in Category:Ant task force articles by importance. And there are a large number of uncategorized by partially assessed articles in Category:Ant task force articles. These "by quality" categories were not emptied before now or I would have run into this issue months ago when I was last reviewing WikiProject categories. Over the past few months, I've run into other examples of where the "by quality" categories were emptied but not the "by importance" ones are not.

A slightly similar case can be found with Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/Bangladesh cricket task force where the categories in Category:Bangladesh cricket articles by quality have been emptied but many articles in Category:Bangladesh cricket task force articles. If you look at Talk:2013–14 Bangladeshi cricket season, for example, the tag says that it is ranked as a Stub-class but Category:Stub-Class Bangladesh cricket articles is empty.

Could this be a problem localized to Task Forces of WikiProject? Or is this emptying of categories due to changes in the Talk page banners? Sometimes the status changes can take months to affect the emptying of categories but this doesn't seem to be the issue with the Ant task force or Bangladesh cricket task force. What do you think might be causing the emptying out of these categories, especially when other assessment categories haven't been emptied? Thanks for any insight you can provide or a pointer on whom I should talk to about this or where I might go. I'm really a neophyte when it comes to understanding the ramifications of templates. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:51, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Also the case with all of the "by quality" categories in Category:WikiProject Ethiopia articles but not the "by importance" ones and with Category:Hymenoptera articles, Category:WikiProject Philippine History, Category:WikiProject Monotremes and Marsupials, Category:WikiProject Shaktism articles and Category:Taskforce Jupiter articles and that is probably enough examples for you to check out. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:57, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

• Hello Liz. That looks like a serious issue. I think the problem is that these projects have special logic in their talk page banners, e.g. in Template:WikiProject Insects, which has not been fixed to "inherit" |class= values from the banner shell. But I am guessing. I am going to copy your note to Template talk:WikiProject banner shell, where people with the right expertise can check it. Aymatth2 (talk) 16:43, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

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Hello, Aymatth2. The new pages patrol team is currently struggling to keep up with the influx of new articles and redirects needing review. We could use a few extra hands to help. I believe that someone with your activity and experience is very likely to meet the guidelines for granting. Reviewing/patrolling a page doesn't take much time, but it requires a strong understanding of Wikipedia’s CSD policy and notability guidelines. Kindly read project talk page with questions. If patrolling new pages is something you'd be willing to help out with, please consider applying here . Thank you for your consideration. We hope to see you around! Thanks, Hey man im josh (talk) 14:54, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Village_pump_(idea_lab)/Archive_46#Project-independent_quality_assessments? Related to Wikipedia:Village_pump_(miscellaneous)/Archive_73#Improper_handling_of_assessment_for_inactive_WikiProjects? I lost track a bit, but I just stumbed upon Talk:Utility knife, another example of article which became unassessed after pointless deletion. My interest is still focused on restoring those deleted assessments. Didn't we have a consensus to do so? _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 23:59, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

I completely lost track, my fault. The move to project-independent quality assessments turned out more complicated than expected, and I could not contribute to the many threads of technical discussion, so dropped out. I think the discussion on inactive projects has to start all over again. There should now be no controversy over retaining quality assessments for inactive projects. On categories, I would personally be in favor of retaining or restoring them for inactive wikiprojects, but dropping them for defunct wikiprojects. Should I start another Village Pump discussion, or would you like to? Aymatth2 (talk) 13:08, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

If you wouldn't mind, please do start as I am very busy IRL for at least a few more weeks due to various raasons. I fully support reforming the bigger system, but as I said, for now I think we should at least try to restore the deleted assessment framework, as it should be as easy as undeleting a bunch of pages/categories. This should be much easier than coding new templates etc. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:56, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello there, thanks for all of your contributions to Wikipedia! Wishing you a Very Merry Christmas and here's to a happy and productive 2024! ♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:12, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Hey, I appreciate you upmerging Antarctic stubs into parent articles, but you should really make sure to mark them correctly for attribution purposes. The easy-merge user script may be useful to you here as it redirects the merged article with an appropriate edit summary and adds a merged-from tag to the talk page of the target article. At the very least, if you don't use that, edit summaries ought to make clear that you're merging to and from. Something as similar as "Merged to Holland Range" at the merged article and "Merged in Davidson Glacier" at the target article is sufficient. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 16:56, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

@Premeditated Chaos:, I am not really merging stubs into parents. What I am doing is taking entries from Alberts, Fred G., ed. (1995), Geographic Names of the Antarctic (PDF) (2 ed.), or sometimes from the GNIS database, slightly reformatting and adding as sections in the parent articles, with attribution of the public domain source. Then I change the corresponding stubs into redirects into the parent if they do not say anything more than the Alberts (1995) entry. The stubs almost always copied from GNIS, which in turn copied from Alberts (1995). I am more comfortable copying from the original than from the stubs, which may have introduced errors.

To get a sense of the process, open Alberts (1995) then search in the text for "Holland Range". You will see 22 entries that refer to the Holland Range, mostly relevant to that article, like:

Alien Young, Mount 83°27'S, 166°52'E
A prominent pyramidal mountain, 2,755 m, standing just S of
Fegley Glacier and W of Lennox-King Glacier in the Holland
Range. Discovered by the BrAE (1907-09) and named for Sir
Alien Young, polar explorer who led the successful search for
Benjamin Leigh Smith in the Arctic in 1882.

Edited, this turns into:

===Mount Allen Young===

83°27′S 166°52′E / 83.450°S 166.867°E / -83.450; 166.867. A prominent pyramidal mountain, 2,755 metres (9,039 ft), standing just south of

Fegley Glacier and west of Lennox-King Glacier. Discovered by the BrAE (1907-09) and named for Sir Allen Young, polar explorer who led the successful search for Benjamin Leigh Smith in the Arctic in 1882.^[1]

The corresponding

Mount Allen Young

stub, now a redirect, said:

Mount Allen Young (83°27′S 166°52′E / 83.450°S 166.867°E / -83.450; 166.867) is a prominent pyramidal

Fegley Glacier and west of Lennox-King Glacier in the Holland Range. Discovered by the British Antarctic Expedition (1907–09) and named for Sir Allen Young, polar explorer who led the successful search for Benjamin Leigh Smith in the Arctic in 1882.
 This article incorporates public domain material from "Mount Allen Young". Geographic Names Information System. United States Geological Survey

.

There is a whole lot of copying going on! Aymatth2 (talk) 17:26, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

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@Riad Salih:, the article looks excellent, and seems to fill a large gap. I am a bit tied up right now, and do not have time for a proper review, which would involve going through it line by line and comparing to the sources. But it seems comprehensive and well-sourced. Why not just move it into main space? I can do that for you if you like. Aymatth2 (talk) 17:45, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

@Riad Salih: sorry for the confusion, but I do think you are being a bit too cautious! I think this is in excellent shape. At some point, you have to "release" it into mainspace and let other editors start to contribute... :-) Aymatth2 (talk) 22:35, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

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Hi @Aymatth2

I appreciate all your contributions to the articles concerning railways. Your work has been truly remarkable. I would like to inquire about the source of your information, particularly regarding the old railway companies based in Algeria (example) during the French colonization. The information you have provided in these articles are not even available on the French Wikipedia I'm intrigued to know where you acquire such extensive knowledge and passion for railways.

Best regards.

Riad Salih (talk) 03:46, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

• @Riad Salih: Thanks, but that was a long time ago. I think I was following a thread where I was researching large companies in the (then) European colonies. The sources were those listed in the articles. I would have just searched on the web for the company name, and seen what came up that looked like a reliable source. I don't think I took any articles beyond a fairly basic and incomplete outline of what they did, where and when. The available online records are very fragmentary. But again, that was a long time ago. Aymatth2 (talk) 19:45, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

  You've done an exceptional job, honestly. Your contributions to those articles were truly commendable. They proved immensely helpful to me during my research, and I sincerely appreciate your efforts. Thank you! Riad Salih (talk) 01:42, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

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Hi @Aymatth2:! I was looking at some Wikipedia pages for New Jersey cities and noted that they weren't categorized under Category:Cities in New Jersey so I started the process of adding the category to each of them. However, a few articles in, I noticed that the category is actually a diffused parent category so the cities go under the county-level category and that you had added this infobox. New Jersey appears to be the only state category in the US with a pattern like this. Every other state has the cities listed at both the state-level and county-level. Is there a reason why it is this way or can I remove the infobox and add in the rest of the Jersey cities? Aurangzebra (talk) 07:47, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

@Aurangzebra: I think that was just a mistake. I was ploughing through hundreds of geographical parent categories and for some reason flipped this one from non-diffused to diffused. I have corrected the infobox so it is consistent with all the others. Aymatth2 (talk) 12:40, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! Appreciate it. Aurangzebra (talk) 20:01, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

And would this would apply only to cities in New Jersey, but other municipality types (boroughs, towns, townships and villages), as well? Alansohn (talk) 20:16, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Oh yes, that makes sense. City/county cross-listing appears to be the standard across all municipality types. Does anyone know a way to bulk add categories to specific subcategories? Aurangzebra (talk) 20:19, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

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You uploaded the image file using a copyright license, but I don't think the image can qualify for copyright protection because the photo was taken more than 120 years ago. Therefore, the status of the photo is in the public domain. Files you upload to Wikipedia English will be deleted because they do not meet copyright protection requirements. Thank You. Langsa Putra (talk) 16:59, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

• @Langsa Putra: there have been arguments about whether we can assume 120-year-old works are in the public domain. In a PD-70 jurisdiction, if someone made a work when they were 20 and lived 60 more years, the work would be protected for 60+70=130 years. That said, photographs are usually protected for shorter periods, and I see someone has uploaded this file to Commons, so the subject is moot. Aymatth2 (talk) 23:09, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

  Even though you include the source and the author's name, I don't know the author's death date. Therefore the license uses {PD-old-assumed} which indicates that the death date of the image creator is unknown, but the photo was taken more than 120 years ago. Don't worry, the file is already on Wikimedia Commons because it has public domain status. Files that have been uploaded to Wikipedia English will be deleted and articles that use your files will switch to files originating from Wikimedia Commons. If you know the name and date of death of the photo's photographer, please reply to my message. Thank You Langsa Putra (talk) 00:02, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

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Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 17:14, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

1. ^ Alberts 1995, p. 13.