User talk:Dodger67/Archive 2

Before you remove any referenced material, you must first discuss it. So first we discuss it, then we clean it up (which I think it doesn't any "cleaning up"). Who are you to claim "emotive adjectives"? Are you a herpetologist? a scientist? a biologist? Do you know anything about snakes at all? It is a well known fact among the herpetological community that the black mamba is regarded as the deadlest snake in the world (this is based on the fact that untreated bites are 100% fatal - no snake besides the

I'd also like to add that everything in the introduction is true and is referenced. You can go here and go to page 3 or you can go here and check out page 4, and read where it says in plain English language:

"MANY SNAKE EXPERTS have cited the African black mamba (Dendroaspis polylepis) and the

Australian taipan

(Oxyuranus scutelletus) as the world's most dangerous snakes (Hunter, 1998). In addition, some snakes are reputed to be actively aggressive and may attack with little or no provocation. The Black forest cobra and the African black mamba have this characteristic of being particularly aggressive (B. Johnson, July 13, 2000; Hunter, 1998)."

This is just the tip of the iceberg. Nearly all snake experts will tell you something very similar. This is common knowledge in the world of venomous snakes. There are no "emotive adjectives" involved in anything here - that's just your point of view and in Wikipedia articles, your point of view means nothing. Your edit of the introduction and "Behavior" section were simply unfair and showed the amount of ignorance you have in the subject as a whole. Of course, I don't mean that in a bad way, but it I find it counter-productive for people to edit things without having some knowledge on the subject matter. The introduction is nothing but that: an introduction to the article. The introduction to the black mamba article is a very accurate, objective, and well-written one. The behavior section merely talks about the snake's behavior, which was mentioned briefly in the intro. The edits weren't necessary. Plus, you should first bring it up on the talk page of the article before going about and editing an entire intro to an article or a scientifically referenced part in the "Behavior" section, two parts which were well written and well referenced. Bastian (talk) 01:06, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

You seriously need to chill a little! I have absolutely no idea which edit of mine has prompted you to post this long rambling text here. Roger (talk) 06:32, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

LOL. You mad, brah? --User:DiscipleOfKnowledge (talk) 11:23, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

No not mad or anything, just totally baffled - I have absolutely no idea why I am the recipient of this TLDR lecture. I have not removed any significant content from the article. The last few edits I have done to it were minor grammar tweaks. Roger (talk) 12:16, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

I'm not trying to be rude or anything, but you made this perfectly fine and referenced edit here in the intro. Looking back, the "Behavior" section was ok, I apologize for that. I'm all for minor tweaks, but not scientifically accurate and referenced material removal based on ones (in this case, yours Roger) point of view that there is still too much "emotive adjectives". In anycase, I did make a bigger deal out of this than I should have, so I apologize to you Roger for my tone. Didn't mean to come off as being rude. Bastian (talk) 17:05, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

I've examined the diff and all I see is a simple housekeeping edit I removed a fragment of a misformatted citation. If that fragment is in fact part of a reference that needs to be there ( something that I have no way of knowing as I don't have access to the source so it is impossible for me to properly identify it) there is nothin stopping you from returning it as a complete and properly formatted citation. Really, dude just do the edit and move on, there is no need to write a PhD dissertation about every freaking comma! Roger (talk) 17:49, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

I agree with this. The issue(s) seem rather trivial. I checked the diff history. Disputes will invariably arise but sometimes we have to acquiesce our opinions on small matters such as these so we can focus on the bigger things. Everybody have a cookie and move on so that we can do some real work on The Great Encyclopaedia. Peace out, homies. <3 --User:DiscipleOfKnowledge (talk) 22:40, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Great. You had your "little changes" (the "Headings"), now please just leave this article be. It is a good article nominee and I don't want the reviewer (who ever it is going to be) to think there is an edit war going on here so I'm going to let this pass because it really makes very little difference what the header is. I mean I don't get your intentions. Are you helping by trying to make the article a better one or are you more interested in sabotage? At this point, that is a legit question. I put in hours of work and research into a subject where I clearly have the expertise on the subject matter (that you don't have), then you come at a critical time (when it is a good article nominee) and decide the headings should change (which I don't care about). Are you working with me or against me? That 206.xxx.xxx IP User is a multiple account user, he has had a really bad hard on for trying to make this article look as bad as possible - why? Your guess is as good as mine. This article is very objective, clear, accurate, and over-all well written and well-referenced. I am not trying to be an asshole or anything, but I put in a lot of work into this article and I just want it to get reviewed as a good article nominee. With IP users and vandals like 206.xxx.xxx and then you changing all the headings, it's not going to help the case for this article. It is clearly a GA status article at this point, so I don't want little edit wars and some vandal ruining that. The headings are "good now" (I don't know what the difference between them now and before, but anyways...) and the article is a fine piece of work. Let's leave it alone until at least it's reviewed as a good article nominee, ok? Bastian (talk) 15:06, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

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FWiW Bzuk (talk) 03:17, 25 December 2011 (UTC).

Thanks! Roger (talk) 18:37, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Welcome back from your leave. Hope you had a good time. ShiningWolf (talk) 05:01, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Please see

Thanks for the info. Avoiding the Streisand effect is the reason why I requested that even the request itself should also be revdeleted. Roger (talk) 16:38, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Understood. However, the more fuss is made the worse it gets. Generally, making the request, works best by email. Quite and quick. Anyway, at least the kid has definitely got the message now  fredgandt 16:42, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

If only I have the time, I'd rather have liked to

WP:Adopt her, she seems just the type of youngster we need - she's capable of writing proper sentences! Roger (talk

)

Thanks! Roger (talk) 12:41, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Roger, sovereign states have ambassadors and issue passports not countries, although most countries are sovereign states. England is a country of that there is no doubt, but it is not sovereign. Regardless of this argument, what is the actual problem with stating in a Wikipedia article that London is in England and Aberdeen is in Scotland etc? I cannot see the problem. 78.86.37.131 (talk) 12:47, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

See WT:WikiProject Airlines#UK not a country - Please keep this discussion on one page. Roger (talk) 12:57, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Please refrain from removing comments made by others. Your edit has been reverted. Thank you. Von Restorff (talk) 13:33, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

i am afraid your article about the Black mamba(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_mamba) is wrong regarding the the speed of the snake. the movement speed of the snake is being said to be 16-20 Km/h which is equivalent to 0.44 m/s - 0.55 m/s ... the values that you have are outrageous 4.32m/s=155.52 Km/h=97.2Mph and 5.4m/s=194.4Km/h=121.5Mph. so before you send any more Vandalism Warnings please check the details. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yolinkin (talk • contribs) 13:22, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Even if you think they are talking rubbish, you should not edit another editor's comments on a talk page - see

Sorry, that was accidental - I meant to copy-paste but did cut-paste instead. (Note to self: Don't edit WP pages when in a hurry to go out!) Roger (talk) 06:45, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

It happens! (Hit the "vandalism" button unintentionally recently by not waiting for the page to load properly or something, had to grovel in apology). PamD 08:19, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi, just so you know - per this GA (Talk:Stephen_Hawking/GA4) I've made this [6] change, which I also agree with, I'm aware you're not a fan, would you like us to take it to the talk? (I'd be quite happy with the idea of an entirely separate assistive technology section, but I think we'd need some more sources for both the wheelchair and the HCI stuff...) Cheers Fayedizard (talk) 08:12, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Yes we'll have to just leave it like that until we can develop a more comprehensive assitive technology section, or even a section incorporating the technology as well as something about his personal assistants (I vaguely remember reading that his second wife was his assistant before they married). Roger (talk) 10:58, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Cool, glad your happy about it :) Fayedizard (talk) 11:38, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

I see see you have also taken an interest in this. It seems to me to be a self-promoting one man "organization" trolling for donations. Of course quite a few editors (and vandals) use the Genocide Watch website to support various claims and allegations.

I would like to nominate it for deletion, but I don't know how to go about it. Can you help me?

pietopper (talk) 11:54, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

I've just PRODed it - let's see if it sticks. If it survives

WP:AfD procedure. Roger (talk

) 12:07, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Hello Dodger67, I just reviewed Sophiatown, an article which you nominated for GA. The article is good but still lacking a little bit. You may read by comments on the GA review talk page.--12george1 (talk) 21:46, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for all you help on this Roger. Your copy editing skills are superb as testified by the review. I will look at the referencing stuff tomorrow afternoon. ShiningWolf (talk) 07:53, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Fixed all the remaining issues. Maybe check out the comments on reference 1. Cant add access date as it is generated from a template. Not sure what the next steps are so over to you. ShiningWolf (talk) 12:35, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Excellent! I've notified the reviewer, User:12george1, that the issues raised in the review have now been addressed and the article is ready for rating. Roger (talk) 12:51, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Hi Roger

The Parlotones entire page is a joke considering their real achievements. The current bio makes the statement that they have a lot of money how is that a levant fact to the story of the band. I have been working with this band for 10 years and your bio makes them sound like an insignificant garage band instead of the most successful South African band of all time. If you insist on doing this then let me help you with some facts you can go and verify.

Raphael Domalik Manager of The Parlotones and Founder of Sovereign Entertainment. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Raphaeldomalik (talk • contribs) 22:44, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Hi Raphael, Welcome to Wikipedia. I agree the article is a mess and I would really love to help fix it.

Yes,

reliable sources

is exactly what we need.

In view of your close association with the band there are three really important guidelines you need to read -

Neutral point of view and Advertising

.

A Wikipedia article may not be written in a way that promotes or advertises the subject - the article must contain only neutral, factual material. Regarding sources, we can only used

self published sources

which must be used with caution only if third party sources for the particular information are not avialable.

Lastly I'd like to suggest that we continue this process at the article's Talk page rather than on your and my personal Talk pages - so that other interested people can also participate.

Thanks for your willingness to help fix up the article, sorry to dump you in the deep end with all the rules and policies, but that is how we maintain the encyclopedia's integrity. Roger (talk) 07:20, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Started adding some references to improve the Parlotones. This is not going to be a quick job. ShiningWolf (talk) 20:11, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

	The Teamwork Barnstar
	Roger, I thought that this is the appropriate thanks for helping the Sophiatown article get GA status. I could also have selected a copyeditor's barnstar to acknowledge your editing. The reason I chose this one was that you helped and coordinated the whole process and also guided and mentored a novice gently through all of this. Well done. ShiningWolf (talk) 10:43, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much! Roger (talk) 16:16, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Hey Roger. No worries about the Rooivalk renaming, I'll first propose any suggested move on the discussion page before going ahead and doing anything. I'll also be using the time before suggesting the move to find out more about how commonly Denel used the AH-2A designation. My edit to the SAAF article was in line with SAAF naming of the type, which before the hand-over seemed to refer exclusively to the 'Denel Rooivalk' and obviously subsequent to that has referred to the Denel Rooivalk MkI.

Nice, huh, a sock of the sock coming back to the GA that he screwed up in the first place. Drmies (talk) 15:46, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Hi! About this edit, AFAIK the document doesn't specify how much aircraft each category has. It's that airlines in Africa have a higher % of old aircraft than airlines around the world in general WhisperToMe (talk) 06:24, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Hi, Dodger. Perhaps I'm being extraordinarily dense, but I don't understand your edit summary. What do the stamens' darkening have to do with it? The flowers appear in autumn. (Quoting from the article: "Only in October, after most other flowering plants have released their seeds, do its brilliantly hued flowers develop".) Rivertorch (talk) 07:51, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Well actually your edit summary said spring, sorry for the confusion. But anyway an error in a caption does not mean the image is necessarily wrong. Roger (talk) 07:56, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing it. Rivertorch (talk) 16:09, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

…Just wanted to say thank you for your general support on the Hawking push - things like [7] and generally keeping the talk page under control have made life a lot easier for me and it's been brilliant to be able to concentrate on the more pro-active stuff, without fearing I'll get into a protracted debate somewhere. Really appreciated. Fayedizard (talk) 22:11, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Now that one of your questions about identification procedures at WP:Reference desk/Humanities is beginning to slip out of sight into the Ref. desk archives, I just wanted to let you know that I found and reported a detailed treatment of the question at Stop and identify statutes. —— Shakescene (talk) 04:47, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. I've been watching the topic with fascination. I would never have guessed that such a simple question would result in such a huge discussion. It seems to be a somewhat hot topic in the US. Here in South Africa we have an ID bokk (looks a bit like a passport) which is used for everything from banking to voting. Roger (talk) 08:30, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Well back in the day, of course, South Africa's

Voter ID laws making it harder for those without standard documents to register and cast a ballot. —— Shakescene (talk

) 21:54, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Hi Roger, trust that you are well. I want to submit the Apostolic Faith Mission of South Africa article for GA status. Before I do that I just wondered if you wouldn't mind a quick sanity check to see if there are any glaring omissions or things that need fix up. Kind regards, ShiningWolf (talk) 07:47, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

I'll take a look but I must warn you that I'm not really up to speed on religion and churches articles. So I'll check structure, layout, language, etc, but not so much the content. Roger (talk) 10:46, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. Dont spend more than 10 mins on it. Just want to make sure there is not something glaringly wrong. ShiningWolf (talk) 18:22, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

It looks good, I didn't find any obvious errors. Roger (talk) 14:22, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Roger. ShiningWolf (talk) 18:09, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

A smile for you You’ve just received a random act of kindness! 66.87.7.209 (talk) 14:05, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

• 195.24.223.116 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)
• After your reverting of an obvious hoax on Milkor MGL by an IP hopping editor from Cameroon, I am of the strong opinion that you can help us to revert his nonsensical insertion of hoaxes on several article pages as the IP editor has persisted in doing so since late last year and we are at our wits end at times in reverting most if not all of his rubbish. IMO, this is something we can cooperate on together and to be able to move forward, putting aside our past differences. Thoughts? --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 13:34, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

How do we track the edits of an IP hopper? I'm not really clued up about such technicalities but I'll help where I can. Unfortunately I have a fairly heavy schedule of "meatworld" activities for about the next week, work and family duties so I'll only really be able to get stuck in after about Tuesday the 10th. No worries about "past differences". I have the attention span of a goldfish when it comes to "differences" on WP - given the reasonable application of AGF. We are all here to improve this project. Roger (talk) 13:48, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

• If you have the attention span of a goldfish then what about me? Mind you, I have over 2000+ pages watchlisted and it gives me a headache at the end of every month just to review their relevance in my watchlist. Whatever it is, just keep those pages you have under your watchlist spotlessly free from their nonsensical hoax and maybe add a few more watchlisted along the way, thereby freeing me to perform other more important task of providing citations/references and amending content/text in them article pages. BTW, that IP hopper's modus operandi is pretty much the same, adding Cameroon as operators of weapons they don't possess in them article pages. Well? --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 14:31, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

My watchlist is just as hairy! I watch most South African made military equipment articles as I was involved in updating them when the Denel company restructured and renamed practically all their divisions (and sold off a few) a few years ago. Roger (talk) 14:43, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

• So it is agreeable then. BTW, how hairy can your watchlist be... is it anywhere near my two thousand mark (and still counting!)~? --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 14:57, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for reverting the PROMO material inserted by the user(s) on RBCB. I'm a relatively new editor and I wasn't sure how to approach the situation... so I definitely appreciate your assistance.None but shining hours (talk) 20:12, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

I posted a note to the IP's Talk page the IP's Talk page briefly explaing that their edits are problematic, let's hope they take heed. Roger (talk) 20:19, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

It would seem that this article in the Zulu pedia is actually about the new national anthem after all (though my Zulu is ruuuuuusty), so the issue is a misnamed artile in Zulu. The robot got it right after all, IMO. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=National_anthem_of_South_Africa&diff=next&oldid=486459198 . -- leuce (talk) 17:46, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

In that case the article's title is wrong, it needs to be moved to whatever 'National anthem of Mzansi Afrika' is in correct Zulu. Cheers Roger (talk) 20:20, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

The ratings I am referring to are the marks out of 5 that viewers leave at the bottom of the page. Please can you help me so that the citations can reappear? Just let me know what I have to do.--Aschwole (talk) 17:36, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

I've replied in some detail on the Help page. Roger (talk) 18:22, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Hi Dodger67.

I am responding to your comment about the suspension of Velvet Sky's flight ops.

I was at

It is for that very reason I removed "(Supended)" from all of Velvet Sky's Airport Destinations.

Regards Ozzie — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ozzie1021 (talk • contribs) 20:51, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Hi Ozzie. There have been no reports in the media or even on Velvet Sky's own website about them resuming flights. According to Wikipedia's

Reliable source policies, we can't post unsourced information in articles. Roger (talk

) 14:52, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

I've found out (through a friend of a friend) that what you saw was a charter flight by Global Aviation. The plane belongs to Global - it was leased to VS. Global Aviation is waiting for the outcome of Velvet Sky's bankruptcy case before they might repaint it. So the short answer is - Velvet Sky have not (yet) resumed flights. Roger (talk) 09:00, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Hi Roger I saw your post on the SA Army page re ranks. I am willing to tackle it but need some images. Do you know what the copyright terms are on the army.mil.za site? Graham Gbawden (talk) 08:48, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

I have no idea about the rules covering SA government/state copyright - might be a good idea to ask at WT:WikiProject South Africa. Roger (talk) 08:51, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Hi. Was just about to tidy up the formation section. Stumbled accross it this morning and thought there had to be a better way to do it. I have time on my hands at the office - so if you need help with anything just ask. I might tackle the list of support bases next - will see what i feel like doing :) Gbawden (talk) 11:30, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

OK.....Take a look at the end of this sentence...I am going to use the signature/timestamp & the four tildes>> --DJ MELL STARR 13:31, 11 May 2012 (UTC) DJ MELL STARR 13:31, 11 May 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by DJ Mell Starr (talk • contribs)

Thanks for the barnstar - much appreciated Check back Tues morn and the ranks page should be done. G Gbawden (talk) 07:05, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

1. Thank you for the help. Working on getting more info for citations.

2. Maybe u can help me with this Question: When I do a goggle search I don't see DJ Mell Starr for Wikipedia. Is this normal? QTPepsi (talk) 00:53, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

3. I think I fixed the 2 citations. Please take a look and let me know what you think. I'll try again if you say thier no good. QTPepsi (talk) 01:00, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

To use a picture on Wikipedia, we need permission from whoever owns it.

• If it is your OWN picture - then you can just upload it yourself, at "Commons", saying "It is entirely my own work" - at http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Upload .
• If it is NOT YOURS, then the owner can give permission in two ways;

A) They could put it on a website (flickr, or their own site) with an appropriate licence, such as "Public Domain" or "Creative Commons Attribution Share-Alike" (that is an option in flickr)

B) They could email us permission. You could ask them to do that, by sending them an email saying something like:

"Hi, I've written a page on Wikipedia, and I'd really like to add a picture - but as Wikipedia is FREE, we can only use freely-licenced pictures. If you have any which you can give permission for, please send me an email back with the text below, and the picture(s) attached."

-Then add a copy of this: http://enwp.org/user:chzz/help/myboilerplate (having filled the form out)

-And send the email (attached picture file + completed form) to: [email protected]

If any of your questions about how to insert images into an article aren't answered in these instructions, please refer to

I actually do know this stuff. I think you meant to post this on User talk:QTPepsi. Thanks Roger (talk) 18:13, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, helping in IRC/-help, mistakes sometimes do happen...yeah, you do seem to "know this stuff" heh... Shearonink (talk) 18:37, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

It's easy to get confused, I'm mentoring User:QTPepsi so our usernames pop up together on this issue. Roger (talk) 18:42, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Hi,

Noted your removal of my point in Jacob Zuma around the artwork The Spear. I have since re-added it, with citations, I hope this satisfies your requirements to its eligibility?

Thanks, but it's not my requirement - it is a

WP:BLP policy requirement. Roger (talk

) 21:52, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

There is. You left out the second "i" in the name:-)--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 11:42, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Which one? I tend to make a lot of typos in edit summaries Roger (talk) 12:20, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, I thought the timing would make it clear. WP:NOTABILITY is a shortcut. When you said at the help desk "can't believe there isn't an all caps shortcut to WP:Notability the same as thousands of other shortcuts", you had left out the second "I" when typing. I would never take anyone to task for a typo in an edit summary! (and if I did so that would be the most hypocritical act given the ridiculous number of typos I make per day).--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 15:50, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Hi Roger, Tony Naar from the Australian Paralympic Committee has made some comments about your draft of the Paralympic classification article on the HOPAU mailing list. The forthcoming workshop referred to in the email is this one in Brisbane on the 26th of May. If you'd like to join the HOPAU list to communicate with Tony and other members of the project, let me know and I'll send you an invite email. I would've sent this talk page message by email except you don't seem to have it enabled. Graham87 13:35, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Hi Graham, I haven't worked on the draft much lately as I'm in the middle of university exams. My last exam paper is on 5 June so after that I'll be able to spend some serious time on this matter. I have just joined the Google group, but I'm not able to post on the topic! Roger (talk) 13:51, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

OK, fair enough, good luck on the exams! I've just set your membership up so your posts can go straight through without moderator approval, so when you're able to post, you can do so easily. Graham87 14:20, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

It still says "Web replied disabled" so to reply by mail I would actually need to have a post in that topic sent to my email to give me the correct reply link. So could you please post to the the topic that I have just joined, then I'll be able to pick up the thread as soon as I get the mail. Roger (talk) 14:28, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

As it happens, I'd just posted a reply to the email thread before finding your message. Graham87 14:31, 20 May 2012 (UTC)