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G'day Mark, there are a few of us interested in Aussie flora - I'm in Sydney,
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Hi Mark, I've come across your recently created lists of Acacia species and would like to remind you that per the
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Hi Mark, I changed the wording in the intro to better reflect the statement in the reference that the native status of this species in Madagascar in doubtful. 'Possibly native' doesn't accurately express this doubt, but rather makes it seem that it is relatively likely that the species is native. This is an important distinction as it has implications for the native range of the species, and reading that they are 'possibly native' to Madagascar is certainly odd and needs more explanation. I think this is worth a few extra words. Could also move this further down to 'distribution and habitat', but it should definitely be included. Let me know your thoughts, I'll look for them here. Cheers! Rainbowwrasse (talk) 21:46, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
Santos Reyes
Sorry Mark, I didn't mean to over-ride your undo of my edits on Santos Reyes. I hadn't looked at the history when I did it, so I assumed that I hadn't pressed the final "OK" on the edits. That's why I re-did the edits. I don't think I actually eliminated anything in the previous version, just reorganized. However, I am not that experienced with Wikipedia and I think my mistake was to do too much in one single edit. The practice seems to work more incrementally. Anyway, it's not my intention to get into an edit war with you, so apologies again if it seemed that way.
Carbon flux - Tropical rainforest
That was fast. I've removed the section under dispute as the editing group has not responded to your talk page concerns. If the section misrepresents the reference - then I'd say remove it. You are welcome to rewrite it in compliance with the reference. Vsmith (talk) 12:55, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
Paper daisy
Thanks for this - I was hangin' for a wild photo rather than cultivar - can you note where it was taken? Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:07, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
- Done.Mark Marathon (talk) 12:40, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
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I've posted on the 2,4-D talk page about the Dow Chemical study. I'm interested in your feedback.
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Albizia canescens for DYK?
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DYK for Myoporum montanum
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DYK for Capparis lasiantha
— Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:03, 15 December 2012 (UTC) SorghumHi. May I ask why do you keep removing the manufactured sorghum example? Regards, Middayexpress (talk) 19:52, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
DYK for Eucalyptus cambageana
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 02:24, 18 December 2012 (UTC) A barnstar for you!
RfC on Glass is a liquid misconception(Note: I'm listing this on the talk pages of all editors active at Talk:List of common misconceptions for the last two weeks). Third opinionHi Mark! Thanks for helping out on Al-Ahliyya Amman University. I'm going to let it sit fo a bit longer before doing anything, but hopefully that will break the deadlock. Your help is much appreciated - when we get stuck in these sorts for two-way deadlocks, I'm generally not worried about which way we end up going, but we do need to go somewhere. :) - Bilby (talk) 10:41, 5 February 2013 (UTC) Al-Ahliyya Amman UniversityWhen you expressed your opinion, did you consider the section WP:ABOUTSELF of the Verifiability policy? --Bob K31416 (talk) 07:52, 7 February 2013 (UTC) ]
Talk:Cord MeyerHi, Mark Marathon. Thanks for the third opinion. An idea of how to provide neutrally worded text would be appreciated if you have the time. By the way, my inquiry was actually due to the section above to which you responded; however, it appears as though that has been resolved in that the other user didn't click on page 2 of the source that was provided. Cheers! Location (talk) 02:56, 20 February 2013 (UTC) ]
Articles with your good photos and links to the Australian Tropical Rainforest Plants identification system.G’day Mark Marathon, I’m a field botanist–ecologist–naturalist (and database, GIS) professional, from the temperate rainforests & Euc. forests country of far eastern Victoria—my nature farm home base—currently learning some of the Wet Tropics forests, living in that region. Regarding the articles you’ve created or largely updated, including your great photos—especially thank you for all the your great photos added, some of them positively fantastic/lovely. If a chance, I’d love some more too, but don’t 'wanna' ask too much, as i appreciate the massive voluntary work already done of the photos you’ve made freely available to all. Just to let you have awareness of the especially glaringly missing photos of significant Australian Wet Tropics rainforests plants: Stockwellia quadrifida, Austrobaileya scandens and Gymnostoma australianum (etc.). Anyway, to the point of this talk section; Please, do you mind me updating the citations or external links to the Australian Tropical Rainforest Plants identification system that you’ve made in those articles? (About 26 articles I’ve counted.) I have created a quicker, easier and more efficient template for us all to use. Please see and freely utilise it—the {{RFK6.1}} template. ——--macropneuma 01:58, 7 April 2013 (UTC) No response! I’m tired of waiting while my above message gets ignored. Good photos deserve good reference sources, well cited. ——--macropneuma 02:39, 12 May 2013 (UTC) Disambiguation link notification for April 9Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited Meditteranean (check to confirm | fix with Dab solver). Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ • Join us at the DPL WikiProject .
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KangarooDiscussion at Talk:Kangaroo#Geographic or political localeYou are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Kangaroo#Geographic or political locale. stillnotelf is invisible 17:08, 9 July 2013 (UTC) Third Opinion projectThank you, Mark, for helping to improve Wikipedia and making it a nicer place to work by giving a Third Opinion. Just a quick reminder: When you do give an opinion, please remember to remove the listing from the 3O page. I usually remove them when I decide to give the opinion so that some other volunteer won't try to take it at the same time and waste their (or my) effort. Again, thanks for helping. Best regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 20:51, 11 August 2013 (UTC) ]
Thanks for your answerMark, I appreciate your answering my request for a third opinion. I accept what you say, and will take forward the issues re my deleted contributions. Edit war averted! Thank you 23:02, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
BushlandCould you please not remove sourced material from such a short article? Please take it to the talk page, wait for consensus and then make changes. My view for such short articles is that expansion is more important than getting every detail exact and precise. Do you disagree? Hopefully I have provided some clarification regarding the Brisbane Bushland program. It was just an example, more should be included. - Shiftchange (talk) 01:55, 6 October 2013 (UTC) Disambiguation link notification for October 6Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited Natural landscape, you added links pointing to the disambiguation pages Wasteland and Parkland (check to confirm | fix with Dab solver). Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ • Join us at the DPL WikiProject. It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 11:38, 6 October 2013 (UTC) FYI:FYI: → http://austronesian.linguistics.anu.edu.au/historydownloads/Barton_etal_2012_QI_intro.pdf StylosanthesEvery large genus is faced with the choices of non-notable redlinks, bias in selection, or no mention of subordinate taxa at all. Isn't imperfect information better than no information these cases?Masebrock (talk) 07:35, 11 December 2013 (UTC) Your ant editsHi, I have created a section here to discuss images at the Green-head ant article. I have recommended using a non-cropped main photo in the infobox. Please try to come to consencus as desired. Thanks. ☺ Gryllida (talk) 06:00, 1 January 2014 (UTC) You have a new message in the section I linked above, please, take a look at it and the article, and respond there. ☺ Thanks! Gryllida (talk) 00:11, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
I see you've received numerous warnings about edit-warring in the recent past. However, I don't see that anyone has formally notified you that abortion-related articles are subject to a 1RR rule (that is, no more than 1 revert by any editor within a 24-hour period). You appear to have racked up three fairly quick reverts at sex-selective abortion. Going forward, please make an effort to respect the 1RR rule on abortion-related articles, as well as a greater effort to respect this site's policies against edit-warring in general. MastCell Talk 21:46, 24 January 2014 (UTC) 3OYour edit-summaries did not explain who is going to render the 3O. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 06:58, 28 January 2014 (UTC) regarding your input on article....Thank you, Mark, for your consideration to this matter. What you need to understand about your point of "verifiability, not truth" is the simple fact that NOT ALL sources and refs in the world agree with this dogmatic statement and wording and position that Greek Orthodoxy traces directly from the first-century apostles. It's NOT "verified" in that real sense. Also, as I said, those refs that "K" drummed up do not all say clearly what he thinks they said, and even if they do, those refs ARE NOT NEUTRAL ENCYCLOPEDIAS, as far as wording. WP is supposed to convey neutrality in tone, with things like this. This nonsense view that Greek Orthodoxy is right from the Apostles, and that "making the sign of the cross" was a practice of the Apostles is NOT EVEN CLOSE to "sky blue". It's ridiculous to even think that. No matter what refs say this (of course there are people who think the same way "K" does...that's a straw-man...), because we're to ignore accomplished writer and theologian Dr Robert Morey, who TOTALLY disagrees and disavows and rejects Greek Orthodoxy as ever being from the Apostles, or as even being Biblically Christian at all? Read Morey's book (there's a ref right there) "Is Eastern Orthodoxy Christian?" As one of a number of examples. You think James White believes that Greek Orthodoxy is traced directly from the Apostles? Again, this is NOT "verifiable" in the real total sense. Plenty of refs find the notion false, if not absurd. Is Wikepedia to ignore them, for "I don't like" reasons by a certain editor? And cherry-pick refs that suit K's own agenda and bias, for "I like reasons"? That's clearly against WP policy, against POV pushing, and against how WP is supposed to be very NPOV in matters like this. You don't see me putting in the article stuff like "Greek Orthodox believe they trace right from the apostles, but of course that's false"...do you? I'm leaving and making the wording NEUTRAL AND UNBIASED. Dr K is not...and then desperately appeals to sources that back up his POV...as if that ultimately means anything on WP, especially if he ignores and disparages any source that rejects that notion, by calling it uhm "fringe". Fail. Let me ask you...Mark....is there something so terrible and wrong with saying "some historians believe Greek Orthodox trace directly from the apostles" or that "it is claimed by some that making the sign of the cross is from the first-century apostles"?? Is that a bad thing to word it neutrally? When so many people in the world (lay-people as well as professional scholars and writers) simply don't believe or buy that idea? I'm only interested in NPOV...in any article on WP...not trying to diss anyone or anything. And that's important. Regards. Gabby Merger (talk) 07:52, 28 January 2014 (UTC) My response to your comment on my pageI never said that those refs can't be used to make the general point or statement. That's fine. What you're not grasping or maybe just not understanding where I'm coming from (or the WP policy regarding this) now is that it doesn't matter how those refs word things, as those refs in question are NOT neutral encyclopedias, and those refs are valid to bring in (no problem) only as far as giving the point that "it's believed"...when dealing with cases like this. I know about "verifiability, not truth". I told you appreciated your time and attention to this matter, but now you seem to missing the point yourself, about simple NPOV wording...that's all. It's not about which ref can or can't be used, per se, to make the general point. But for WP to state dogmatically is another thing. Other refs (do you even agree with that), don't even come close to agreeing with the words or notion that "Greek Orthodoxy came directly from the first century apostles" or "making the sign of the cross was from the apostles" etc? I don't disagree that those refs can be used, but the point is neutral tone...and that WP is not to endorse one position like that, especial in cases like this. Regards. Gabby Merger (talk) 08:46, 28 January 2014 (UTC) January 2014Hello, I'm BracketBot. I have automatically detected that your edit to Pterocaulon sphacelatum may have broken the syntax by modifying 1 "[]"s. If you have, don't worry: just edit the page again to fix it. If I misunderstood what happened, or if you have any questions, you can leave a message on my operator's talk page.
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response.....Hello. What you don't understand, Mark, is that "alternative views" ARE at least some published by reliable sources. What part of that is so hard for you or Dr. K. to believe or grasp? Seriously. I put in a link already, of Doctor Morey source, as just one example. That will be called "undue weight" or "fringe"? Seriously. Just about all Protestant writers in the world disavow the notion that "making the sign of the cross came right from the apostles". That notion right there, for example, should be stated in a neutral WP article as unquestioned fact? Where is that? And no, you're wrong, NPOV is paramount when it comes matters like this. This is NOT a "sky blue" situation (regardless of what Dr. Kr. OR you seem to think). it's NOT all reliable sources in the world that state this view as "unambiguous fact". A number do of course. I never denied that. But most or all of Protestant scholarship does not really hold to that in quite that sense. Many disavow it completely. We can't call Robert Morey, Rob Zins, or James White "fringe" or "undue weight" simply because we feel their view on this is irrelevant, or not to our liking. I would not be going on like this IF this was a genuine "sky blue" situation. But "making the sign of the cross was a practice of or came directly from the Apostles" notion is not even close to that. There are plenty of writers and sources that refute or just disagree with Greek Orthodox claims on this. That shouldn't be ignored or denied. And it can't be said in circular argument that it's "undue weight". How so, when there are SO MANY people on earth who either doubt or outright disavow the Greek Orthodox claims? For instance, again, you honestly think, for example, that this notion that "making the sign of the cross" was something taken directly from the Apostles, when there's no real evidence for that...or when so many Protestant scholars (TONS of them) flatly reject that notion? That's NOT "undue weight". So, no, YOU'RE wrong on that. NPOV is important with this. Period. As I said though, already, I won't be on the merry-go-round forever on this. Regards. Gabby Merger (talk) 08:56, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
The red herring of the sign of the crossHi Mark. The dispute, as you know, is not about the sign of the cross. It is about the weasel modifiers "are believed to" regarding the Apostolic origins of the church. The sign of the cross is a red herring, which I never raised and didn't even know it existed in the text until it was raised by the other user. In any case, as you can verify by reading the article, in the article text the use of the sign of the cross is qualified by the verb "claim": Among these traditions are claimed to be the use of incense, Liturgical Worship, Priesthood, making the sign of the cross, etc. so it is not stated as fact as claimed in the section above. But again, the issue is not with the sign of the cross but with the weasel modifiers and I want to reiterate and make clear that I am not interested in the issue of the sign of the cross but only in the issue of the weasel modifiers. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 16:01, 3 February 2014 (UTC) Hi again Mark. Thank you for removing most of the weasel modifiers. However the last one "are believed to be traced back" still remains. It is supposed to read "can be traced back": [6]. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 06:29, 5 February 2014 (UTC) "making the sign of the cross" NOT in any of the refs...sorry, Mark, you never addressed (you're not always around on that Talk page), the specific matter of dogmatically stating that "making the sign of the cross" can be traced to the Apostles. You somehow seemed to believe that that was also sourced, even though it actually wasn't. The simple fact that NONE of the sources put in (and there quite a few) actually stated that specific thing. I did not remove that statement, but I placed a citation needed tag only for the "making of the sign of the cross" statement...as not one of the refs given support that specific sentence, as even admitted by Dr.K.... NONE of the sources actually say that...for that specifically. Not sure why you thought that. You were going on and on to me about "if it's sourced it does not need to be stated neutrally" and "it should be stated as fact if it's sourced", but it seems you never bothered to actually see (unless I missed something somewhere in any of the refs) that the "making the sign of the cross coming directly from the Apostles" is not really supported or specifically stated in refs. Hence my placement (at least) of the citation needed tag. Regards. Gabby Merger (talk) 06:10, 7 February 2014 (UTC) refs...Hello to Mark and Dr. K. I know that the discussion is pretty much over, and some decisions were already reached. Though it's arguable that it should have been decided just by two editors, who may be over-reaching a bit with the notion that all reliable sources in the world state the Greek Orthodox position of "tracing directly to the Apostles", regardless of the clear fact that that notion has been denied or challenged by respected theologians and writers. But because Mark and Dr. K. insisted I provide refs that give the analysis that Greek Orthodoxy (or Eastern Orthodoxy) does NOT trace itself directly from the Apostles, etc, I pointed (and even linked) to Robert Morey's book "Is Eastern Orthodoxy Christian". As one example. I already knew that that would pretty much be shooed away as "not reliable" or maybe even "fringe". Which is why I never really bothered elaborating Morey's words, or his book...in any of my comments. I figured, why waste time, when it the quotes would be dismissed anyway? But I figure why not just finally give you a direct quote from his book, instead of simply citing the book generally. Here's one of many quotes that challenge or deny Greek Orthodox claims to Apostolic origins. Quote: "The historical reality is that Eastern Orthodoxy does not represent the Early Church that came into existence form the preaching of the Apostles." (Robert Morey, Is Eastern Orthodoxy Christian?, pages 20-21, 2007)
“...the claim to unbroken continuity is appealing....We would contest this claim on a number of fronts. It appears to at least some of us that this claim does not adequately account for the substantial differences between ancient practice and Byzantine innovations and embraces an unrealistic ecclesiology.” (Michael Horton, Three Views On Eastern Orthodoxy and Evangelicalism, 2004) Gabby Merger (talk) 05:29, 11 February 2014 (UTC) Disambiguation link notification for February 23Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited Gum tree, you added links pointing to the disambiguation pages Spotted gum and Ghost gum (check to confirm | fix with Dab solver). Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ • Join us at the DPL WikiProject. It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 09:02, 23 February 2014 (UTC) Tea Tree OilHi Mark, I understand you were mislead recently regarding the effectiveness Tea Tree Oil. I am going to be making some changes to the wiki based on two recent Pubmed secondary source review articles. These articles reflect that TTO is effective in treating infections and is safe to use externally with certain precautions (e.g. as any medication). Here are the articles if you'd like to review them and participate. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1288602/Tea%20tree%20oil%20in%20dermatology.pdf https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1288602/A%20review%20of%20the%20toxicity%20of%20Melaleuca%20alternifolia.pdf Gsonnenf (talk) 16:39, 25 February 2014 (UTC) Try collaboration...instead of reverting, per {{sofixit}} Explain yourself and add material to improve things, don't try to bully other people into doing your work for you. Montanabw(talk) 04:25, 6 March 2014 (UTC) March 2014
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Mark Marathon (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log)) Request reason: Seriously? Another poster persistently reverts my minor edits. He openly engages in tendentious editing by swamping the page with cite tags. He unambiguously breaks the 3RR which alone is supposed to result in an automatic block. He refuses to explain on the talk page why he has reverted my edits. None of this is even open to dispute. And when I report him in order to avoid an edit war, I am blocked and nothing happens to the other editor. And by coincidence this other posters is friends with two administrators. If this block remains and/or the other editor remains unpenalised you have simply proven what so many editors are saying: that being friends with Administrators produces favoured results on Wikipedia. So much for neutrality. I don't actually expect anything to change as a result of this appeal of my block. But maybe whichever Admin reads it might take a second to think about what happens here and what it does to Wikipedia content. As commonplace and blatant as this favouritism of Admins has become, refusing to even enforce the 3RR is something I have never seen before. That was always a bright line. Not any more it appears. So much for neutrality. Mark Marathon (talk) 12:05 pm, Today (UTC+0) Decline reason: I am declining your unblock request because it does not address the reason for your block, or because it is inadequate for other reasons. To be unblocked, you must convince the reviewing administrator(s) that
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For your information, Mark, RexxS here and hate week at you. Hence RexxS's use of "spurious" and his smearing your one mistaken tag over all five, and his "six times over six days" rhetoric. Don't take it personally, it's not about you. It's defending their own.
The editor who blocked you would have seen Montanabw's note on Mark Arsten's talk page wherein she snapped her fingers and demanded that one of her slavering poodles creep out of the woodwork and block someone who was annoying her. They've all got each other's talk pages on their watchlists, so a quiet note to Mark Arsten is actually a clarion call to all the mutual sycophants (mutual sycophancy? Is that an oxymoron?). But I love them all, really. And you will too, once you get the hang of things here. You can grow roses in this dung heap. --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 20:34, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
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Handling 'citation needed'Hi, thanks for your efforts to improve the Tree article. Just to say, a citation needed tag is not a mandate for removal, just an indication that work needs to be done, and I'd indicated in my edit comment that I'd work on it. Anyway, no harm done, I've improved the text and added two citations. The general point about citation needed tags is that they represent an undefined but not necessarily wrong situation: the text is unsupported, but may be correct (as this largely was) and requires attention. In this case, as in many others, just excising the uncited text leaves the article incomplete, weaker, and without an important bit of context (and a major wikilink). Sometimes, excision is exactly the right action, as when someone has added nonsense, repeated something said elsewhere, made a libellous claim, and so on. That wasn't the situation here. All the best, Chiswick Chap (talk) 07:54, 28 June 2014 (UTC) My PO edits
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OversimplificationHello, i see that you reverted my most recent edit on the article for Mexico in wikipedia. Can you explain to me how it has to be written so it is not oversimplified anymore? The study says that three populations (Germans, Mexicans and Turks) were found to have the caucasian specific allele as opposed to asian and african populations and the three were classified as caucasians. Anything else to add? Aergas (talk) 00:32, 15 September 2014 (UTC) September 2014Your recent editing history shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. Being involved in an edit war can result in your being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. To avoid being blocked, instead of reverting please consider using the article's talk) 06:08, 15 September 2014 (UTC) ]
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Acacia - Biblical Entheogens
Benny Shanon, Biblical Entheogens: A Speculative Hypothesis (Time and Mind: The Journal of Archaeology Consciousness and Culture, Volume I, Issue I, March 2008, pp. 51–74) [[9]] Dickie birdie (talk) 21:59, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
Acacia
The additions there were both to non-RS sources. I got one, and someone else got the other. Thanks for the heads-up! I'll see if I can find something reliable. MSJapan (talk) 23:36, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
- How are you going to remove the sprig of acacia on Hiram's grave from all Third Degree Tracing Boards? Has Albert Mackay become unreliable as well as Samuel Prichard overnight? Perhaps you need to alter the Benny Shanon Wiki article as well, since you are all panicking. Dickie birdie (talk) 02:50, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
- Just noticed - William Morgan is used as a reliable source in the Hiram Abiff Wiki article and you are complaining about the use of Samuel Pritchard. Dickie birdie (talk) 03:03, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
- FYI I do not regard Lomas & Knight as reliable sources either. I always relied on material by Knoop, Jones & Hamer, and articles in AQC. Dickie birdie (talk) 03:18, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
- Irrelevant. We're not talking about Hiram Abiff, we're talking about acacia. Burger King sells chicken, too; it doesn't mean it's pertinent to an article about McDonald's. Morgan is relevant when talking about Morgan's work, not when making a gross generalization. Moreover, Mackey is not a "universal source"; people choose to use him if his material suits their purpose. You could have easily as well used Robert Freke Gould's or Coil's Encyclopedias, and the answer might be substantially different. I'd also add you used nothing from sources which you claim you rely upon.
- What is pertinent, however, is that none of your additions even appear in the sources in which you claim them to be, and the sources themselves are malformed - I had to go look everything up elsewhere just to address the statements made. Further discussion will take place on the Talk:Acacia page, or not at all, and continued insertion of unsourced material will be considered vandalism and dealt with as such. You also appear to be misusing your user page as article space. MSJapan (talk) 05:25, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
Eremophila maculata
Hello Mark,
Thanks for your thanks on Eremophila maculata.
I suppose you thought my image was incorrect because of the label in Wikimedia Commons? Actually it's not - I just made a mistake when I uploaded it to Wikimedia Commons. I photographed Eremophila glabra and Eremophila maculata (and Eremophila abietina) at the Australian Botanic Garden Mount Annan on Monday and mislabelled one image. The image I added to the Wikipedia page Eremophila maculata is definitely Eremophila maculata (and with the greatest respect!!) is superior to the one you've replaced it with. The specimens of both species (E. maculata and E. glabra) which I photographed were labelled and the labels were confirmed correct by the horticulturalist to whom I spoke at the time and place (Bed 101a). I do not know what other criterion you could have used to come to the conclusion "seems to be wrong species". Please replace the image I added yesterday.
Gderrin (talk) 04:15, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks Mark. I don't agree with "far" but thanks! Also thanks for arranging to have the file renamed. By the way, I remember the horti's name - it was Chris Cole, whom I now know looks after the Big Ideas garden at Mount Annan. He was very helpful.
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FYI 'legal threats' are where an editor has threatened to take legal action. Where an editor has said they have 'reported' to a relevent authority, they are not technically making a legal threat as they are not actually in a position to take legal action - and its already been done so its not a threat anyway. A recent extreme example (used because its an obvious issue) if I see a known UK editor obviously grooming an underage UK editor (to the extent of advising him how to contact without his parents knowing) and I report him to the relevant UK child protection authorities, even if I make this known on-wiki this would not be a legal threat as I am not in the position to do anything about it. I cant bring a case or instruct a legal team on their behalf as I have no standing (fyi the editor in my example was globally banned by a WMF office action at a later date). However saying all the above - this does not mean the editor is not making remarks intended to 'chill' discussion, which is often the standard 'legal threats' are held to rather than the actual ability to bring legal action. Regards Only in death does duty end (talk) 10:04, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
- Its a bit of a grey area really. Where someone is clearly trying to invoke legalese to chill the discussion, most people (self included) would warn them of the the no legal threats etc, in this case however its more of a throwaway 'I have reported this to the relevant authorities' at which point asking them to retract their threats (the usual response to a legal threat before blocking) would be functionally impossible if they have actually lodged a report. Only in death does duty end (talk) 10:21, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
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At no stage did i break the three revert rule. i was very careful not to do so, even going so far as to leave the other editors final revert in place and asking them to self revert on the article talk page and on their talk page. I did seek to discuss the issue on the article talk page. In fact I started two separate sections to discuss these issues and laid out my concerns in full with all my reasoning. The other editor persistently reverted both my edits and that of a third editor. All of this is quite clear if you want to look at the article history, the talk page history and the other editors talk page. At no stage did i revert the same material more than three times in any 24 hour period. Mark Marathon (talk) 22:11, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
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- You reverted five times on October 3: 07:35, 09:12, 09:28, 09:46, and 09:52.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:39, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
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Trifoliate orange and unti-CTV property
Hello, I noticed you rolled back my edit, and I respect that by an expert. Now I am going to add sentences back for non-medical use, deleting the human medication part but the counter citrus virus property. Would you care to check on that later? Thank you for your time. —Omotecho (talk) 02:03, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
- @WP:MEDRS. The information virus resistance is good, but it shouldn't be placed in the traditional medicine section, since it is 't about medical uses. Unless you want to create a new section, I suggest yoy place it in the cultivation section. Cheers. Mark Marathon (talk) 02:18, 23 October 2017 (UTC)]
- Hello, appreciate your crisp response, and my mistake mixing those lines up with medical subject. Yes, let me place virus resistance under cultivation section; at least my reference is done by people at an agricultural research center, and it took them years before being published on a journal, but not in the field of medicine of course. Understood MEDRS, and good to know somebody is keeping eyes on the high standard of definition. Regards, —Omotecho (talk) 03:11, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
Allsup
Thank you so much for your help. I didn't really intend to suck you down a rat hole that I've been reluctant to go down myself. Kendall-K1 (talk) 03:05, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
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]- I agree with User:Miniapolis: User:Mark Marathon appears to make a habit of this and I find his behaviour distinctly unpleasant, having just posted yet another dictatorial message on my talk page. Kindly desist.Roy Bateman (talk) 06:34, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
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Alice Springs
Don't answer on my user page, answer on the article Talk page so that others can chime in. And it's kind of silly to toss around "edit war" at the drop of a hat; this is a disagreement between editors, which happens all the time in wikipedia - in fact, that's kind of the point of wikipedia, for people to figure out edits through discussion. I'll await your comment on the article. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 17:06, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
Edit war
Hi Mark, You didn't sign the edit warring warning message you put on my talk page. I won't be putting one on your talk page as was hoping that we would reach some sort of consensus on the the articles that were being reverted. Anyway I hope you find the additions I've made to each article more to your liking. Regards Hughesdarren (talk) 11:57, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
- Didn't realise there was a war, found this discussion on WP:Plants and restored the content. I will revert to the 'wrong version' if you still consider this under dispute. I wouldn't cygnis insignis 22:01, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
- STOP doing this sort of thing, please. It is trout-worthy and unhelpful. —cygnis insignis 22:16, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
- Please cease your disruptive behavior, Indigenous names are not foreign names and reverting your edits where you removed the only sourcing is not edit warring. Its also inappropriate to remove sourced content that is relevant, it is not WP:UNDUE to included information about natural variances within the range of a species, these variances and their causes are factual and significant. With respect to the templates you placed on User talk:Hughesdarren I have removed them as their usage is inappropriate under the circumstances and do not meet the requirements. Gnangarra 08:01, 4 September 2018 (UTC)]
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Not my source
Dear Mark Marathon, with this edit, I reverted back to an earlier version. Violation of SYNTH was already there in the first version in this lemma. Here you can see that
- If what you are saying is correct, then yes. If a source, such as a dictionary, isn't specifically referring to a species, then using it to derive a species name is clearly synthesis. As far as I can tell, the version of the article that I reverted to uses a book on Melaleucas as it's reference, which is a RS and not synthesis. If I have confused versions and this is the not the case, then by all means revert to the verison that does use that book as its source, and accept my apologies. Mark Marathon (talk)
- Maybe Wimpus (talk) 08:29, 16 July 2019 (UTC)]
- Before we go down that rabbit hole, could you please go to the M. lasiandra talk page and quote exactly what Brophy says that supports your preferred version? Regardless of whether other editors are engaging in synthesis, your own edits need to be reliably sourced and can't be based on personal knowledge. Thanks. Mark Marathon (talk) 08:33, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
- I did not used Brophy. I have reverted back to an earlier version. And while using Brown might be a violation of SYNTH, the addition of the etymological explanation of Brophy was not actually an improvement as andros does not mean male, but is the genitive case (of a male). That is not my personal opinion, as is evident from this source here, but also from Brown, that mentions andros as second word. He explains in his introduction that those are genitve cases. Wimpus (talk) 08:48, 16 July 2019 (UTC)]
- I did not used Brophy. I have reverted back to an earlier version. And while using Brown might be a violation of SYNTH, the addition of the etymological explanation of Brophy was not actually an improvement as andros does not mean male, but is the genitive case (of a male). That is not my personal opinion, as is evident from this source here, but also from Brown, that mentions andros as second word. He explains in his introduction that those are genitve cases.
- Before we go down that rabbit hole, could you please go to the M. lasiandra talk page and quote exactly what Brophy says that supports your preferred version? Regardless of whether other editors are engaging in synthesis, your own edits need to be reliably sourced and can't be based on personal knowledge. Thanks. Mark Marathon (talk) 08:33, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
- Maybe
- Maybe this will help you to understand the difference between aner and andros. Wimpus (talk) 08:53, 16 July 2019 (UTC)]
- I am not going to discuss this any further on my user page. Take it to the article talk page please. You did indeed make an edit which cited Brophy as the source for your derivation. Regardless of what you may think that andros means, Brophy is RS and you are not. If Brophy says it means "small and pink" then that is what goes into the article unless you can find another reliable source that says otherwise. And even then we just put both verisons into the article and let the reader decide. You can not remove reliably sources material regardless of how wrong you believe it to be. If you believe that Brophy is not RS, then discuss it on the article talk page and get consensus or take it to the RS noticeboard and get consensus there. It matters not one whit whether you believe this is a genitive case or a book case. If it is supported by a reliable source, it stays in the article. it your derivation is not supported by RS it can;t go into the article. That's the whole story.Mark Marathon (talk) 09:16, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
July 2019
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I don't think you should be reverting anyone and you will need to have some understanding of the situation because you didn't do anything right. If you do not see that he added a ref to that sentence then you are not
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Disappointing
Hello Mark, Only just noticed you've been blocked again. You and I have had disagreements in the past but my contributions in this place would be even less significant without your help, and especially without the images of plants from out-of-the-way places that you have uploaded. Also appreciate your help in challenging Wimpus's edits. Gderrin (talk) 22:46, 28 December 2019 (UTC)