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The result was delete. – Joe (talk) 13:12, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Steve Baughman

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Non-notable music producer. The best source I found during

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  • Delete. Doesn't meet threshold required by GNG. Besides aforementioned interview, which doesn't really count, I similarly couldn't find much.
    WP:NMUSIC doesn't seem like it really fits; if someone has worked on notable albums but all they have is a credit, I don't really think that's enough. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs talk 01:00, 8 September 2021 (UTC)[reply
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  • Comment. I am on the fence with this one. In the absence of an NMUSIC guide for producers,
    Grammy Award), I could see a valid argument that he "has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work" under criteria 3 of that guideline. However, in order to assert that I think we would need to look more closely at what his actual contributions to all those listed albums were. This should probably be relisted for others to comment.4meter4 (talk) 19:13, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete. plicit 23:47, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hans Airways

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WP:TOOSOON for this potential future airline that does not own any planes yet. MrsSnoozyTurtle 23:40, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply
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Hi Curbon7, I take your point, however there are countless examples of other start-up airlines without AOCs which have Wikipedia profiles for example Norse Atlantic Airways, as well as Odyssey Airlines in the UK - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odyssey_Airlines. I feel that its important to start telling the story of these airlines while they are in their formative months. Surely Wikipedia is not just for those airlines that tried to launch flights and succeeded, but also those that tried to start-up operations and will possibly never make it to fruition. Surely these people are worth documenting too? Thanks again for your consideration. MW1011 (talk)

MW1011, You didn't ping the right person, I'm just the sorter. Curbon7 (talk) 16:42, 12 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi MrsSnoozyTurtle, I take your point, however there are countless examples of other start-up airlines without AOCs which have Wikipedia profiles for example Norse Atlantic Airways, as well as Odyssey Airlines in the UK - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odyssey_Airlines. I feel that its important to start telling the story of these airlines while they are in their formative months. Surely Wikipedia is not just for those airlines that tried to launch flights and succeeded, but also those that tried to start-up operations and will possibly never make it to fruition. Surely these people are worth documenting too? Thanks again for your consideration. MW1011 (talk) Hi Curbon7, Oops sorry!! I have now pinged MrsSnoozyTurtle. Thanks for your help. MW1011 (talk)

Hello MW1011. In special cases, a future airline could demonstrate that
WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, that does not mean that the topics are necessarily notable. Regards, MrsSnoozyTurtle 08:19, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply
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Hi MrsSnoozyTurtle, I have only just noticed that my page on Hans Airways has been taken down which is very disappointing considering the effort I put into it. That said and taking your points on board, is it not possible to keep the page as a draft until the airline hopefully gets closer to launch? Thanks again for your consideration. MW1011 (talk)

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The result was keep. plicit 23:50, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

List of The Librarian characters

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List of characters of a relatively obscure television show/tv movie spinoff. To the best of my knowledge there is no independent coverage of the grouping, and this is reflect in the list itself which reads as

WP:FANCRUFT. BilledMammal (talk) 23:16, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply
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The result was keep. – Joe (talk) 13:14, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

100 Best Companies to Work For

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Annual list produced by Forbes. Seven of the sources are to Forbes, making them not independent, while the eighth is a passing mention that uses the list to study the performance of companies with better cultures to the market as a whole - in other words, not significant coverage.

A

WP:BEFORE search turns up very little; the vast majority is press releases by the companies who receive the awards, while the infrequent independent coverage focuses on individual companies who are placed on this list, rather than the award in general. BilledMammal (talk) 22:58, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply
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  • I came across a few of those, and there was a similar one used as a source. What I found though was that the list is effectively being used as a data source, and is not itself the subject of coverage. For instance, Dominick et al. 2020 is an analysis of organizational values, and to help them generate their data source they use the discussed list, with the list receiving no significant coverage. Indeed, the list itself is only mentioned three times in the entire paper; once in the title, once in the abstract and once in the introduction.
I will admit that the shear quantity you foundgives me pause, but there are a lot of datasets out there that are used in multiple published works and we don't consider them notable as the use of a data set is not significant coverage of said dataset. BilledMammal (talk) 06:46, 12 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. plicit 23:51, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

IP2Always.Win

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The sources used in this article are primarily discussing individuals who happen to use this platform, rather than giving much detail about the platform itself. I've tried to find

WP:SIGCOV about the actual site, and am coming up pretty empty. GorillaWarfare (she/her • talk) 18:55, 3 September 2021 (UTC)[reply
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Delete - No notable coverage on the platform itself, other than a few social media sites. Rlink2 (talk) 17:51, 12 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. plicit 23:53, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Jaipur Dialogues

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WP:NCORP is not met. TrangaBellam (talk) 18:40, 3 September 2021 (UTC)[reply
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Since I've been pinged here I'll avoid !voting but this one clearly lacks in depth coverage to satisfy
Daily News & Analysis coverage was included. DNA itself hardly qualifies as a reliable source along with much of the other outlets of its parent group, due to their track record of both disinformation and undisclosed paid news. Tayi Arajakate Talk 19:57, 3 September 2021 (UTC)[reply
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Thanks. I don't think this falls under canvassing — you were pinged due to your participation in the linked threads on Wion News. TrangaBellam (talk) 20:08, 3 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't think so either but AfDs can be a contentious place and some people construe even appropriate notifications as canvassing, so rather I'd avoid that headache. I can't see this one having much chance of surviving anyways regardless of my participation, looking at the dearth of coverage. Tayi Arajakate Talk 22:04, 3 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. This article from Scroll is about a similar event in Goa (with some short references to the Jaipur event). I am withdrawing my earlier Keep because I am having difficulty evaluating the independence of the media outlets reporting on the event. The company's proposed translation of an important Indian Muslim text suggests that the Jaipur Dialogues is more than just an event organizer. Eastmain (talkcontribs) 22:40, 3 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. – Joe (talk) 13:16, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Efe Ukala

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Bio of businessperson, fails

WP:BASIC because coverage relies on sources that are affiliated with the university that she attended, or news sources that appear to be sponsored by or associated with the company's marketing. Edge3 (talk) 17:00, 3 September 2021 (UTC)[reply
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  • Keep - I am of the opinion that Wikipedia should keep this article as I respectfully oppose and disagree with the deletion reasons. This article does not fail
    WP:BASIC
    because of the following:
1. The Article and the subject pass the following criteria:
a) they pass the
WP: VERIFYOR
policies as the person has received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other and independent of the subject.
b) The sources used in the work are reliable and verifiable, they substantially pass the
WP:RSCONTEXT
, a review of these sources check would show that the reliance on the published sources as per [WP:PUBLISHED] are appropriate.
c) In consideration of the sources of the reference, the article referenced notable and reputable news organizations in compliance with the
WP:SOURCES
d) In consideration of sources that might have experienced link rot or may later experience link rot, I am of the opinion that, their reliability should not be rejected merely on that basis or the absence of verification. As per
WP:NEXIST the WP:POSSIBLE
e) The person has also received significant awards or honors and has been nominated for others. This is specifically important as these awards appear to be in diaspora which is therefore worthy of note to younger generation of Africans looking forward to doing exploit both home and abroad. See
WP:ANYBIO
2. Based on the above reasons among others, I believe that the article and the subject/person should not be deleted because they meet the General Notability Guideline as per
WP:NOTTEMPORARY
policy.
3. Considering the extensive coverage of the person subject of the article, and also subjects the matter that brought her to limelight, Philanthropy and women empowerment in Africa, it is doubtful that the sources are all promotional in that regard. I firmly contend that the article and the sources satisfy the not promotion policy as per
WP:NOTPROMOTION
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4. Further scrutiny would show that, the sources from relating to her school are in respect of the awards she got in school and black positions she held. There are other relevant sources apart from these.
On the basis of the forgoing, I respectfully disagree with the deletion reasons and recommend that Wikipedia should keep the article. Ogele (talk) 03:36, 9 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. plicit 23:53, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Diego Bortolozzo

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Fails

WP:NFOOTBALL and other guidelines. Geschichte (talk) 21:14, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete. The head count is close (still a majority in favour of deletion), but the keep arguments largely fail to respond to the nomination.

WP:TNT is not universally agreed-upon, but it is at least a valid reason to consider deletion. – Joe (talk) 21:38, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply
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Larry Dvoskin

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American music business person. He's maybe notable, maybe not, but even if he is, one wouldn't know it from this refbombed piece of puffery that's basically indistinguishable from a CV. This needs a dose of

this odd business at AN (permalink), which fits the pattern. Sandstein 20:20, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply
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If the article can be fixed through normal editing, then it is not a candidate for AfD.
If an article has issues try first raising your concerns on the article's talk page, with the main contributors, or an associated WikiProject...[to ensure} readers are aware of the problem and may act to remedy it.
It appears there is a volunteer willing to work on article to address concerns of nomination NOT based on notability concerns or other Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Reasons for deletion. It would be unwise to TNT the basis of article and start from scratch since there are clearly usable references. Djflem (talk) 07:57, 12 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to Sarah Brightman discography. Eddie891 Talk Work 20:21, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Bella Voce (album)

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Doesn't appear to meet

WP:NALBUM. ATD is redirect to Sarah Brightman. Boleyn (talk) 18:00, 3 September 2021 (UTC)[reply
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I agree that’s a better target. Mccapra (talk) 11:52, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep.

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Abiola Abrams

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Promotional article full or refs like imdb or primary sources. Last AfD was closed as no consensus due to no participation. Boleyn (talk) 17:57, 3 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep. Ignore the primary sources and consider whether notability is established by the rest. I think it is. Eastmain (talkcontribs) 18:18, 3 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Delete. The article does not meet the standards of
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  • Keep. Plenty of reliable sources proving notability. In fact, I'm stunned this was even brought up for a new AfD.--SouthernNights (talk) 15:46, 11 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, many reliable sources.Jackattack1597 (talk) 19:50, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. While there are issues with coi editing and the over use of primary sources in this article, the subject clearly passes
    WP:NAUTHOR. I found several independent reviews of her play Goddess City and interviews in a variety of publications; including several peer reviewed academic journals. See below.4meter4 (talk) 02:08, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete. plicit 23:57, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yuki Kushida

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Virtually unsourced article about an actress, making no claim of notability except commercials and a bit part in a sketch comedy series. As always, every actress is not automatically notable enough for inclusion in Wikipedia just because IMDb technically verifies that acting roles happened -- the notability test requires evidence of the significance of her roles, such as notable acting awards and/or the reception of

reliable source coverage about her and her performances in real media. Bearcat (talk) 19:14, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply
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  • Delete no coverage found in GNews, appears to only have had bit parts. Oaktree b (talk) 00:53, 11 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. Eddie891 Talk Work 20:28, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Zahira College, Matale

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Doesn't appear to meet

CAT:NN for over 11 years; hopefully, we can now resolve it. Boleyn (talk) 19:12, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete. Eddie891 Talk Work 20:28, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

W (2006 TV series)

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Article about a television series, not

WP:BEFORE search for other sources went about exactly as well as you'll expect when I remind you that Teletoon was co-owned with another television channel branded as W Network, meaning I found a lot of Teletoon+W hits in that context and absolutely none whatsoever in this one. Bearcat (talk) 18:34, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete. plicit 23:57, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Zmanda Recovery Manager

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Doesn't meet

CAT:NN for 12 years; hopefully, we can now get it resolved. Boleyn (talk) 18:27, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply
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  • Delete fails WP:GNG. A mere 2 gnews hits, one being a press release. LibStar (talk) 04:37, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete or at best merge into
    Zmanda Cloud Backup for that matter. Or maybe merge all four into Amanda (software) also I see single-purpose account Special:Contributions/Nikunj_wiki shows indications of a possible conflict of interest, in a burst of edits circa 2011. W Nowicki (talk) 20:26, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete. – Joe (talk) 08:26, 19 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sansy, Turkmenistan

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The village does not exist, the creator has just been blocked indef for creating articles on mostly fictitious references with untelated references. Ymblanter (talk) 17:45, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete as per nomination.TH1980 (talk) 01:04, 12 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. The sources are bogus, I can't find any mentions of it elsewhere, and searching it on Google Maps simply shows a pin in the middle of nowhere. Aerin17 (tc) 03:41, 12 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    @Aerin17: Check out the US Army May Service topographic map NJ 40-3 Modar at those coordinates and you will find Sansyya, an alternate name for Sansy. --Bejnar (talk) 23:06, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Okay, I take back the comment about it not existing-- but simply because a settlement can be found on a couple of maps/lists does not mean that it is notable enough for a Wikipedia page. It doesn't particularly meet
    WP:GEOLAND, given that it doesn't seem to be a populated, legally recognized place, and there is no other coverage of it to be found. What would the page even be? There's potentially something at these coordinates but we know nothing about it? Aerin17 (tc) 00:16, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply
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    @Aerin17: Re: "legally recognized place" see, for example, listing here in the 1976 print version U.S.S.R.: Official Standard Names Approved by the United States, which also shows it as a populated place. In Russian it is Санси, and is listed as a rural settlement. --Bejnar (talk) 00:54, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    I am making a very skeptical face through my computer screen. I will freely admit that I don't have much experience with GEOLAND to know whether being in this book/database technically counts as making it a legally recognized place. If that means it meets the letter of the guideline, sure, fine. But I feel like it's a stretch. Even the guideline has some flexibility, given the use of the word "typically." Given that literally no other sources can be found beyond notes/maps/databases that show nothing more than its existence (yes, I saw the ones in your comment below), I still do not believe that Sansy is notable. Aerin17 (tc) 01:33, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep the coordinates are confirmed here, it is a settlement in the Karakum Desert. Alternate names are "Sansyya" and "Sansyz". The settlement at Kirpili (Kirpichli) is 13.5 nautical miles east of Sansy. It is shown on the US Army May Service topographic map NJ 40-3 Modar as "Sansyya" copy here. Kirpichli is shown on the same map. Sansy is listed in the GNS database, with its alternative names. Listed here in the 1976 print version U.S.S.R.: Official Standard Names Approved by the United States. --Bejnar (talk) 03:33, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Geonames is a notoriously bad source. That something is there may mean that (i) the settlement exist (ii) something exists there, but it is not a settlement, for example, a geological party location or a small military installation; (iii) it existed there but is no longer there; (iv) it is a mistake, for example, the settlement has been renamed and has other coordinates. The fact that OSM and Google Maps (including Google panoramas) shows nothing is a strong indication that we are dealing with (iii) or (iv). That the coordiates are the same is not surprising since the creator of the article obviously copied them from Geonames.--Ymblanter (talk) 06:07, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Ymblanter: Those things are not true of the US Army May Service topographic map NJ 40-3 Modar which clearly shows "Sansyya" copy here. --Bejnar (talk) 23:01, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I see the name on the map, but I do not see any evidence that this is a settlement. It could be a single house for example--Ymblanter (talk) 05:44, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - This used to be a settlement — I doubt Sov-mil. but cannot confirm in less than a week. I do not think that the subject has any chance of meeting GNG. TrangaBellam (talk) 13:32, 16 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: Doesn't seem notable per above. Qwerfjkltalk 14:41, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was merge to Goodman Group#Goodman UK. Eddie891 Talk Work 20:30, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Goodman UK

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Doesn't meet

WP:GNG on its own. Possible ATD is merge/redirect to Goodman Group, but it may overwhelm that article. Boleyn (talk) 17:32, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete. ♠PMC(talk) 01:01, 19 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

MARSEC-XL

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Doesn't meet

WP:CHURNALISM around the time it was established and basically nothing since. PepperBeast (talk) 13:25, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply
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The result was keep. – Joe (talk) 08:27, 19 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Rob_Balder

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Subject does not meet notability guidelines — Preceding unsigned comment added by Interjectcite84 (talkcontribs) 03:53, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Comment Wouldn't the mention of Erfworld, and Balder as the writer of Erfworld, in this citation https://web.archive.org/web/20071212161244/http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/top10/article/0,30583,1686204_1686244_1692143,00.html meet the basic criteria for notability? There are other articles about Erfworld by other sources, like https://www.wired.com/2010/01/erfworld-geekiest-comic-ever/ and https://www.cnn.com/2011/10/07/living/web-comic-spotlight-erfworlds-rob-balder/index.html as well. In the previous proposal for deletion there were comments along those lines. YourBestFriendFromMySpace (talk) 23:36, 29 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment As the author himself has worked to remove the series from the internet, Erfworld's status as a "significant or well-known work" is questionable. The scant support of multiple independent reviews or articles is highlighted by the post above.Interjectcite84 (talk) 02:01, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The first book made a splash and was commented on by writers with Time and NPR. Balder withdrawing from interaction with the internet and closing his fan community isn't the same thing as the work being removed from the internet. The books were published and remain in print. Balder took the first book off Giant in the Playground's website, but the whole work is still available on the archive on Balder's site. Balder is not generally famous, but he made a work that was noteworthy at the time of publication. His handling of the IP, most particularly the cryptocurrency funding attempt, was also noteworthy simply because as near as I can tell it was the first time anyone had tried to do that with a graphic novel or web comic. Regardless of Balder's personal wishes about wanting to disappear into obscurity, he's achieved a measure of notability through that authorship and his handling of the Erfworld IP which will outlive him. YourBestFriendFromMySpace (talk) 05:57, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Erfworld as a series seems to have gained notoriety through its association with Rich Burlew and Giant in the Playground. Its removal from that site and seclusion to a static archive that is not prominently featured on its own site's landing page reduces its cultural significance. As far as I can tell the books are not in print and were self-published. That the comic generated a couple minor articles on the internet a decade ago does not make it notable. The author is also not notable for having used print-on-demand services to sell his work to fans or his attempt to use his fans to mine cryptocurrency. The existence of a few die-hard fans of a discontinued webcomic does not necessitate an encyclopedia article for its author. Interjectcite84 (talk) 14:49, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Keep. I'm going to ignore the odd conversation above, and stick to evaluating the subject based on notability policy. Seems to meet criteria 3 of
    WP:CREATIVE per the sources given above. That was the consensus at the last AFD. Notability is not temporary, so later changes in the availability of the work online don't matter. 4meter4 (talk) 02:27, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply
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  • Keep: Looks notable to me. — Qwerfjkltalk 14:46, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. Eddie891 Talk Work 20:31, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Kuzma, Croatia

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Not notable. Uninhabited. Laurel Lodged (talk) 15:19, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Speedy keep. It's a ghost town, there are thousands of them on Wikipedia. This place likely was notable at once, especially since it had nearly 300 people at its peak population. In this same logic, we would be deleting articles for defunct companies, discontinued products, or deceased people. Waddles 🗩 🖉 15:36, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep mundane gazetteer entry per
    WP:5P1. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 18:48, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete. Eddie891 Talk Work 20:32, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Togo, Democratic Republic of the Congo

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The first citation is a random Excel spreadsheet that does not mention this Togo, and the second is "How a Finnish Symphony Orchestra Collaborates with South Indian Carnatic Musicians". User:Spokane Ball yt, can you please explain this. This being the name of a country I cannot find sources about this supposed town, nor are coordinates provided. Reywas92Talk 13:55, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. – Joe (talk) 08:29, 19 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Modar, Turkmenistan

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The Google Maps pin is near a facility of some sort but I don't see a town. I cannot find any results calling this a town or otherwise notable place. The first citation is about opera of Turkmenistan?! User:Spokane Ball yt, why was that a useful link? Reywas92Talk 13:49, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • There is absolutely no such town in Turkmenistan. Needs to be deleted.--Ymblanter (talk) 15:35, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. This is just a locale, not a town. The user who created this has created many more similar articles for non-existent towns and using irrelevant references. They do have a current discussion at ANI regarding this. Someone proposed deleting all of their articles, however there is at least one that I know of (Zumwalt, Washington) that is a legitimate community. Waddles 🗩 🖉 15:50, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - NJ 40-3 (AMS) documents Modar to be a ruined town. I will try to ascertain its current state; had probably heard of its name in a list of untapped petroleum/energy deposits in Turkmenistan. TrangaBellam (talk) 18:50, 16 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: Per § Sansy, Turkmenistan above. Qwerfjkltalk 14:53, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Sandstein 13:24, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Our Lady of Guadalupe Church (Danbury, Connecticut)

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Like Notre Dame Church (Easton, Connecticut), since deleted at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Notre Dame Church (Easton, Connecticut), this church was mentioned but not discussed in a mega AfD that closed as keep, logistically. A BEFORE for this particular church shows no evidence of notability with coverage limited to event listings and nothing that would meet ORG. Not mentioned in the city nor in the diocese, so a redirect wouldn't be helpful or DUE given lack of other churches' presence. Star Mississippi 13:23, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Rewrite can occur outside of AfD Eddie891 Talk Work 20:33, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Eugene Thuraisingam

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Does not meet

WP:GNG
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It also does not help that there are some severe conflict of interest violations going on in this article by its creator, a single purpose account. The article was initially already rejected at articles for creation for failing WP:GNG, but they ignored it anyway and decided to create it themselves exactly a year later after making a few edits to reach the edit count.

It also involves constant additions of puffery, copyvio images and subsequently removing COI tags in response. The very first reference literally goes to their website. There is also another single purpose account, which could possibly also hint at sockpuppetry. Otterslort (talk) 13:22, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. plicit 13:47, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hadjer Sini, Chad

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The coordinates given here show an empty stretch of the Sahara Desert. Citation 1 is about places n France. Citation 2 which I do have access to is about the music of Chad and does not include this name at all, neither the supposed town nor the mentioned mountain. User:Spokane Ball yt can you please explain this? Reywas92Talk 13:03, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • WP:TNT delete - maybe it's real; maybe it's not, page creator has been indeffed for use of fake referencing. As this article is cited only to those fake references, it should just be presumptively deleted with no prejudice against recreating with real referencing. Hog Farm Talk 18:53, 11 September 2021 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete. plicit 13:19, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Tony Bonello

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Fails

WP:GNG. ♡RAFAEL♡(talk) 11:43, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply
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The result was soft delete. Based on

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International Environment Photographers Association

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Doesn't seem to meet

WP:ATD. Boleyn (talk) 12:36, 28 August 2021 (UTC)[reply
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The result was soft delete. Based on

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Susie Tallman

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Not finding any worthwhile reviews or significant coverage in the article or online. Edwardx (talk) 21:51, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Comic Valkyrie. ♠PMC(talk) 01:00, 19 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Kill Time Communication

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Last AfD attracted little input. I may be missing Japanese sources, but I can see mentions but not enough to show it is notable. Has been in

CAT:NN for 12 years; hopefully, we can now resolve it. Boleyn (talk) 12:48, 28 August 2021 (UTC)[reply
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  • Redirect to Comic Valkyrie since it is their only notable publication. I looked for sources but wasn't able to find much outside of press releases. Link20XX (talk) 14:34, 29 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. – Joe (talk) 08:31, 19 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Women to the Top

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A short-lived European project for a few countries that does not seem to have any encyclopedic value. Question mark over notability for over 10 years suggests this doesn't pass

WP:GNG. Possibility to trim and selectively merge to Women in the workforce#Women in workforce leadership. Bungle (talkcontribs) 15:51, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply
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  • Keep - it seems to pass GNG with the sources it already has (significant coverage from two major newspapers and evaluations from the Nordic Gender Institute and University of Gothenburg) and a very quick search for Swedish-language sources returns at least this and this which could maybe be added. And, so far, the article pretty much only seems to have Swedish and English sources - there'd probably be even more coverage in Estonian, Danish, and Greek-language sources. NHCLS (talk) 09:57, 28 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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--RamotHacker (talk) 18:45, 4 September 2021 (UTC)*Delete Simply not notable at all.[reply]

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The result was keep. – Joe (talk) 08:31, 19 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Laura Arnold

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Notability of this BLP is largely inherited from Arnold Ventures LLC. MrsSnoozyTurtle 11:16, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Withdrawn by nominator. MrsSnoozyTurtle 01:01, 19 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep. Most of the references are to her (or to her and her husband collectively), rather than to the company. Eastmain (talkcontribs) 14:29, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Her wealth may have come from Arnold Ventures but what she has done with it has made her notable. There seems to be significant coverage of her in independent reliable sources. RicDod (talk) 17:28, 12 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Keep. Passes
    John and Laura Arnold (currently a Redirect). Given that their philanthropy and business are run as a team, it really doesn't make sense to split them into individual articles. But that should probably be discussed through a merge proposal not at AFD.4meter4 (talk) 18:52, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete. plicit 13:45, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Srayra

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I cannot find any sources about this place, or where it is located. It is not in localiban; http://www.localiban.org/jezzine-district Huldra (talk) 21:54, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Comment the ar.wiki article names the village as “Soueira” not “Srayra” but I can’t find any sources for that either. Mccapra (talk) 22:07, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. – Joe (talk) 08:32, 19 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Umantewena

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No significant coverage that would meet GNG as required by criteria #2 of

WP:GEOLAND. Participants in previous AfD mentioned that it appeared in historic pilot guides (similar to the current Sailing Directions source), but no sign of in-depth coverage has been produced. The relevant GEOLAND criteria haven't changed since 2015 but the practice of presuming named settlements to be notable has. –dlthewave 21:55, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply
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  • Delete : not existing settlement.--Arorae (talk) 15:04, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was soft delete. Based on

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Kamvas Studio 22

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Fails

WP:SPONSORED banner, where affiliate links are provided at the end of the article, or where the review is commissioned by the company that produces the technology in question. A search of other coverage of the device turns up similar results. Tpdwkouaa (talk) 02:59, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply
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  • Delete just a product spec sheet, the kind of thing that gets obsolete very fast anyway. Article on its company
    Huion is thin, but could mention maybe one sentence on it. Would support a merge too ,but lean to just delete. W Nowicki (talk) 17:52, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply
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The result was no consensus. – Joe (talk) 08:35, 19 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hockey Canada Officiating Program

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The Hockey Canada Officiating Program appears to fails

WP:GNG since I cannot locate any independent sources on the subject. I have only found information posted on web sites directly affiliated to Hockey Canada, which do not satisfy reliable sources required for GNG. Flibirigit (talk) 02:35, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply
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  • Fowler, Brian, Jimmy Smith, Heidi Nordstrom, and Tyler Ferguson. "Ice Hockey Officiating Retention: A Qualitative Understanding of Junior Ice Hockey Officials' Motivations in Canada." Managing Sport and Leisure 24, no. 1-3 (2019): 18-31.
  • Rosenberg, Elmer. "TWO MINUTES FOR FLAILING: As a Rookie Referee--at 52--I Soon Learned There's Nowhere to Hide." Maclean's (Toronto) 116, no. 41 (2003): 63.
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The result was delete. ♠PMC(talk) 00:59, 19 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Jeff Saviano

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Clearly fails

WP:SIGCOV. Edwardx (talk) 09:05, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply
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  • Draftify and decline. No in-depth coverage of the person at all. Doesn't satisfy
    WP:ANYBIO
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  1. "Employee or Contractor? Health Care Law Raises Stakes". The New York Times. 2015-02-14.
    ISSN 0362-4331
    .
    Behind the NYT paywall. Considering my source assessments below, I'm not inclined to bother digging this one out. No matter what this article contains, it's only one source.
  2. "48th Annual Conference of the USA Branch of the International Fiscal Association". IFA USA. 2021-09-09.
    Not significant coverage: No coverage at all. Schedule of sessions at a conference, which lists the subject as a participant
  3. "The United Nations Centennial Roundtable | The United Nations Centennial Initiative".
    Not a reliable source: No coverage at all. Schedule of a roundtable discussion, which lists the subject as a panelist. There is a bio--most likely submitted by the subject.
  4. "INSIGHT: Why Tax Collection Remains a Challenge in Sub-Saharan Africa". news.bloombergtax.com.
    Not significant coverage: No coverage at all. One-sentence quote of something the subject said.
  5. "Jeffrey Saviano - EY Global Tax Innovation Leader". www.ey.com.
    Not independent: This is the subject's profile page at their employer.
  6. "Tax Analysts -- Transparency in State Taxation, Part 2 -- Legislative Process and Letter Rulings". www.taxhistory.org.
    Not significant coverage: No coverage at all. The subject is quoted a few times, talking about a taxation issue.
  7. Studies, New York University School of Continuing and Professional (2012-06-12). New York University Institute on State and Local Taxation (2012). LexisNexis. .
    Not significant coverage: No coverage at all. The subject's name is listed in the front matter as a member of an NYU advisory board. This appears to be the only mention of the subject in the book.
  8. "Technology and Tax During and Beyond the Coronavirus Pandemic". World Bank.
    Not significant coverage: No coverage at all. Video of a live-stream panel discussion. The subject talks about financial data technology.
  9. "How EY Launched an Innovation Program". Innovation Leader.
    Not significant coverage: No coverage at all. Video of a podcast, wherein the subject talks about launching innovation programs.
  10. "Season 3, Ep.11: The Davos Talks, 2020- Jeff Saviano: How can we fight climate change with better taxation? | TEDxBeaconStreet from Better Innovation | Podcast Episode on Podbay". Podbay.
    Not significant coverage: No coverage at all. Audio of a webcast, which includes audio of the subject speaking about taxation on fossil fuels.
  11. "DIGI Co-hosts Inaugural Prosperity Collaborative Online Event". New America.
    Not significant coverage: No coverage at all. This appears to be a synopsis of a past online panel discussion. The subject is listed as a participant.
  12. "EY to hold FinTech Pitch Day for tech startups". Accounting Today. 2018-05-25.
    Not significant coverage: No coverage at all. The subject's employer held an event for tech startups to make pitches to them. The subject probably participated, and is quoted in a couple sentences about the event.
  13. "EY announces the opening of global EY Advanced Technology Tax Lab". ey-announces-the-opening-of-global-ey-advanced-technology-tax-lab.html.
    Not independent: (broken link) A press release from the subject's employer, announcing the opening of a lab. The subject is quoted, saying something about it. The actual link is here.
  14. "Using Multiple Void Patterns at Crime Scenes to Estimate Area of Origin in Bloodstain Cases – ACSR". www.acsr.org.
    This isn't even related to the subject. This is an article co-authored by a different "Jeff Saviano" here.

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  • Delete. While there are glancing mentions of him in several articles on tax policy and similar, I don't think it adds up to
    WP:NAUTHOR. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 16:25, 11 September 2021 (UTC)[reply
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  • Delete. Almost nothing in GS, so not much impact. Xxanthippe (talk) 06:44, 13 September 2021 (UTC).[reply]
  • Delete per the source analysis above. Fails
    WP:ANYBIO. I will add by saying that I have a subscription access to The New York Times, and the subject is only briefly quoted in the article. The article is not about him, and we don't count mere quotes as indications of notability or as significant coverage.4meter4 (talk) 19:23, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply
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Bandar Country Homes

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does not satisfy

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The result was keep. – Joe (talk) 08:32, 19 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

John A. Bolger Jr.

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Non-notable sound engineer. Fails

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The result was keep. We have plenty of articles on stupider things, and clearly there's enough coverage of the relationship between Jennifer Lopez and Ben Affleck, a relationship commonly referred to as "Bennifer," to justify retaining an article on GNG grounds. ♠PMC(talk) 00:58, 19 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Bennifer

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The closing statement of the last AfD for this article was Delete...As the article is about the relationship between the actors and only passingly about the term "Bennifer" itself, any encyclopedic treatment of the relationship can be included within one or both of the actors' articles. While the relationship is arguably notable (depending on the weight one gives the sources), our notability guidelines do not require that all notable topics receive their own article when it is possible that a broader article – e.g. the actor bio(s) – can adequately cover the topic as part of its broader treatment of the subject. Several editors participating in the discussion have proposed including any relevant information in the actors' bios instead of having a standalone article, and no argument appears to have been made to explain why that proposal would be either a bad idea or against policy.

I don't think that this revision addresses the issues raised in the AfD, but since that discussion was 10 years ago, I thought it would be better to bring this to AfD again. signed, Rosguill talk 04:12, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep: Enough media coverage, there is no harm in the inclusion of this topic. Mehmood.Husain (talk) 21:56, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: Passes GNG; unfortunately. Yes, it’s on a topic that belongs in a tabloid more than an encyclopedia. And yes it has lots of significant RS because our world is obsessed with celebrities.4meter4 (talk) 02:51, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. plicit 13:28, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Jarvo 69

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WP:DUE there and finds a mention. Usedtobecool ☎️ 04:08, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete. plicit 13:28, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Predictions made by Ray Kurzweil

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Does not meet

WP:GNG, the article is almost purely cobbled together from primary source predictions and independent sources either confirming or denying the prediction coming true, usually without any reference to Kurzweil. We do not dedicate separate articles to predictions made by individuals, which incidentally gives this article a silly level of prominence (prior to nominating for deletion, it is a top suggested result when you type in "Predictions"). signed, Rosguill talk 03:17, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply
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  • Delete. There is no place for this vapid BLP on Wikipedia. Xxanthippe (talk) 03:44, 10 September 2021 (UTC).[reply]
  • Delete. The main article on this author already has a short section on his predictions. This article contains almost no sources outside of the works written by the subject.--SouthernNights (talk) 13:03, 12 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete fails
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The result was keep. Fenix down (talk) 06:42, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Jorge Fernandez (tennis coach and footballer)

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Notability is not

WP:BEFORE is simply coverage of Leylah Fernandez with some extra facts about her dad. I could not find any reliable sources that cover Jorge Fernandez in depth.  Bait30  Talk 2 me pls? 02:48, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply
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I have a friend who supports ManU and he has often said ManU would now be a tier 2/3 team but for Fergie. The fact is that Jorge Fernandez is only known because of Leylah and sources which verify his coaching abilities are currently below the level of coverage needed for GNG. No Great Shaker (talk) 09:51, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Actually you'll find that the article has standalone sources about him and it passes WP:TENNIS for coaches. And I'm sure your friend is a very good source that passes GNG, I heard Kent is full of football experts. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:17, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure how Kent comes into it but, whatever, you need to read
WP:SARC. Your Ferguson analogy is nonsense because he was famous before he joined ManU and there is no comparison between him and Jorge Fernandez – Ferguson is notable through his own efforts, not those of his offspring. Anyway, seriously, you need to deal with your dubious sourcing about football. First, the L'Équipe article doesn't mention football so ref#3 in the lead is false. Second, the final sentence is in no way verified by ref#11 – the only mention of football (as soccer) in that article is re two other people. Those claims amount to misinformation. No Great Shaker (talk) 12:24, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply
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The result was keep. plicit 13:30, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Aircraft End-of-Life Solutions

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Non-notable niche business. No assertion, credible or otherwise, of notability. Orange Mike | Talk 02:41, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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*Delete I’m not seeing anything that would pass

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  • Keep thanks to the work of Eastmain in finding so many sources. I think it’s still pretty borderline in terms of in depth coverage but if I’d managed to find these myself I probably wouldn’t have voted to delete. Mccapra (talk) 18:21, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. There's enough for
    WP:NCORP and to withdraw the nomination. gidonb (talk) 21:45, 11 September 2021 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete. plicit 13:30, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Anando Ashru (2020 film)

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Non notable film, there are some passing mentions and primary sources but no significant coverage from

WP:NFILM. The article was deleted previously, see Ananda Ashru (2020 film). আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 13:47, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply
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  • Delete A quick google news search doesn't show any coverage. Fails GNG. Riteboke (talk) 10:53, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. plicit 13:31, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Life After Life (TV series)

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WP:GNG in lieu of having to pass TVSHOW. So no prejudice against recreation if and when a television network actually announces a hard and firm premiere date, but just entering the production pipeline is not enough to make a TV series notable in and of itself. (And for added bonus, this was such a half-assed rush job that the creator described and categorized it as an American series even though the casting source clearly describes it as a British one.) Bearcat (talk) 16:40, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply
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  • Delete. Ordinarily, I would suggest moving it back to Draft space, but since this is part of the article creator's long-running attempts at article-creation credit grabbing by creating essentially empty placeholders in Draft space (for a couple of extreme examples, see Draft:Untitled Universal Live Action Project and Draft:Untitled Pixar Animation 2023 film). The User Talk archives of their previous account are littered with G13 notices and the creator has been indefinitely banned from page moves, so there's no sense in rewarding this sort of behavior. --Calton | Talk 09:42, 16 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, as per
    WP:TOOSOON. Suonii180 (talk) 13:22, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply
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The result was redirect to Joseph D'souza. plicit 13:33, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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significant coverage. GBooks hardly helps either. We already have an article on the founder Joseph D'souza. TrangaBellam (talk) 20:44, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply
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Then just redirect.4meter4 (talk) 23:04, 9 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Redirect: I'm in concurrence with the nomiantion regarding a redirect, as this is a pretty obvious
    WP:GHITS as to why Google hits isn't a good argument for deletion. Curbon7 (talk) 22:49, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply
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    Curbon7, thanks. Will keep it in mind. TrangaBellam (talk) 18:21, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect to its founder
    Joseph D'Souza per above. -- Ab207 (talk) 13:08, 16 September 2021 (UTC)[reply
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The result was Withdrawn. Bigger fish to fry.

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List of rail transport–related periodicals

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Fails

WP:NOTDIRECTORY, and accomplishes no purpose that couldn't already be done via Category:Rail transport publications. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 02:10, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply
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The result was keep. – Joe (talk) 08:35, 19 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Railways Africa

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Cannot find anything to substantiate

WP:GNG here (having an ISSN number is not "significant coverage" nor is it proof that this is notable). The publisher of this doesn't appear to be notable either (and doesn't have an article either), so there's no where logical to redirect to; and owing to the absence of sources it wouldn't make sense to keep it on the relevant list article (in the article see also section). So there's not much else to be done but to delete this. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 02:07, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply
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  • Keep, this is a trade publication, not an academic publication perse and is cited in the examples below. That and pragmatic common sense (
    WP:DEFUNCTNEWS
    ), a publication that has existed for over 50 years and is cited in various peer reviewed academic journals, suggest it is more likely than not – notable. Though written sources are still required to be able to write an article. I enclosed some examples where Railways Africa articles are referenced in other articles.

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Great
WP:GNG. Currently the article is two sentences neither of which can be verified with a secondary source. The phrase " the leading if not only publication" does not really give confidence in the reliability of this page and just sounds promotional. Without secondary sources talking about the publication we cannot even verify any of the information other editors are using to justify a keep vote. Vladimir.copic (talk) 06:16, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply
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  • Keep The present article is barebones and needs cleanup, but I believe the publication meets notability guidelines. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 22:16, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. The actual policy is NOT INDISCRIMINATE, and we are not being indiscriminate if we keep the major publication in a important field of human affairs. the GNG is a guideline interpreting NOTINDISRIMINATE. The reason guidelines are called guidelines is because they are just guides to fulfilling policy. They have exceptions that do not require invoking via IAR. As it says at the top of the guideline box at the top of the GNG page, "It is a generally accepted standard that editors should attempt to follow, though it is best treated with common sense, and occasional exceptions may apply." Making sure we have an article on the leading publication of a subject is not the usual case which we discuss here. (even policy is of course subject to IAR, of course, but we properly are very reluctant to use it, and there is no need to use it here). Consensus to keep is a sufficient reason. Incidentally, if we did want to find sources to meet gng, I would suggest looking in textbooks about operating or constructing railroads in Africa, some of which will discuss important publications. No Worldcat library has such a book. I did a thorough enough search to find 3 textbooks about railroads in India--but not Africa. DGG ( talk ) 00:16, 11 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • @DGG - Just revisiting this discussion. I am not sure what you believe justifies this article circumventing guidelines. No one can provide any reliable sources saying this is a major publication in an important field. I could create a website and associated social media profiles for a publication called "African Railways" saying it started publication in 1953, publishes 7 times a year and is the leading publication in its field. It would be just as notable and only slightly less verifiable than this article. Vladimir.copic (talk) 04:42, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
you could create one, but WorlCat would not include it [6]. nor would it show up in the catalogs of the libraries that hold it, and confirm the publication dates. Nor would i d GoogleScholar link to three articles in it [7]. You;re confusing WP:V, which is policy with the guidelines for when we make an article in it, we our practice has always been enormously wider than GNG., or we would have almost no articles ontrade magazines or small newspapers. WP is an encyclopedia , and an encyclopedia , among other things, is a guide to resources. GNG is a guideline, and we followguidelines onl hwen they're appropriate.
  • So to understand - the arguments for keep so far are:
  1. WorldCat shows golbally 11 universities (at some point) hold/held this publication from 1992 onwards (from this we cannot verify the 1954 date)
  2. Google Scholar shows that articles within the publication have been referenced 3 times.
  3. That this is "the major publication in a important field of human affairs" despite no sources making this claim (not even the magazine's website!) so we should ignore
    WP:GNG
    .
  4. It would be biased to not have this article
I bring up
promotional copy on the publication's website and do a bit of free advertising for them. To write the article with only verifiable information it would be: "Railways Africa is a publication with the ISSN 1029-2756. According to WorldCat it has been or is held by at least 11 institutions and has been references in at least 3 academic papers." Vladimir.copic (talk) 07:27, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply
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  • Delete. African or not, covering an important subject or not, what we need are independent sources on which to base an article (
    verify what we write about this magazine, this should be deleted. --Randykitty (talk) 08:35, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply
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Randykitty You and I geerally, agree, but we cannot avoid systemic bias in covering publications if we make no allowance for the lack of availability in practice for most sources that might exist; that's one of the direct meaning of systemic bias: our geographically limited knowledge. DGG ( talk ) 06:41, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per Andrew Davidson, DDG, and Shushugah. At some point we have to step back and ask, which wikipedia is better? The wikipedia that allows content on reliable publications/media that we use as sources, but which may lack enough multiple RS on the publication/media itself to pass
    WP:5P5 should be routinely invoked.4meter4 (talk) 19:47, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply
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But Railways Africa has never been used as a source on WP? See my above comment. In which case, this line of reasoning makes no sense. Vladimir.copic (talk) 22:22, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Now that it as been called to our attention, maybe we should. This is an area where we need more coverage. The print is not easy to find, but most of recent material is online. DGG ( talk ) 23:49, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. plicit 13:35, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

ÏCE Condominiums at York Centre

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Fails

WP:GNG. A condo complex in a city with a surfeit of such. Brief mentions in reputable media such as The Globe and Mail re: its allegedly huge number of Airbnb units, but no in-depth coverage of the building or its architecture. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 20:38, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply
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