Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1046

Hi I am wondering if an article should be deleted if the references used, do not cite a source themselves, because there are no primary references to cite? In other words the references used are simply repeating a fictional account of the subject. Also, in the article are genealogical results that do not meet standard genealogical standards (skipping generations) which is unethical, and contains a lineage that has been proven incorrect by modern scholars. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genealogical_Proof_Standard Macrorybeg (talk) 20:03, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, I do not understand what you mean by "do not cite a source themselves, because there are no primary references to cite". Ruslik_Zero 20:31, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi @

steps here to remove the footnote and challenge the content. If at the end of this process the article has less than two reliable sources, and if you're reasonably certain that no other reliable sources exist on the topic, you can nominate the article for deletion. Best, Clayoquot (talk | contribs

) 22:03, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi @Clayquot:. Thank you, I followed the link and after reading the options, I believe that offering "another point of view" that is well referenced would be more constructive. Cordially Macrorybeg

What is the procedure to revert an edit? Please tell the easiest method. Alpha rows (talk) 18:18, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Alpha rows. Nobody likes being reverted, so it's really important to explain why in an 'edit summary' when you do make a reversion. Whether it is reverting your own edit or someone else's, (and assuming you are not working in Mobile view) simply go to the 'View History' tab for that page. You'll see a separate row for every separate published edit, showing the name of the editor the date and time, with an 'undo' link at the end. Click that, then put in a short explanatory summary why you've reverted, and click 'Publish changes'. Let us know how you get on. Nick Moyes (talk) 18:49, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

Alpha rows, it's called "undo", see Help:Reverting. However, it doesn't always work, in which case see the rest of the page. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:47, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

UPDATE: After another hour 'helping' them on my talk page it turns out this 'new user' is a sockpuppet, and has now been blocked. Sometimes

"Alpha rows" is merely a sock, and has already been blocked by Bbb23. -- Hoary (talk) 23:07, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

Counterexample, I considered to link this teahouse history high-light on xyz. –84.46.53.93 (talk) 02:29, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

…Congrats from up to 510 IPv4s:–84.46.53.160 (talk) 23:06, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

Nick Moyes, I start from "AGF"; thereafter, assumption is much less important than observation or counterobservation. ¶ Anyone asked out of the blue to help with a bio article (and particularly with the article on Shamsheer Vayalil) should first skimread Talk:Shamsheer Vayalil and see whether the person asking has a similar way of asking to that used by the numerous IPs and sockpuppets of Royankitkumar. He (or possibly she) can be quite ingratiating; but in attempting to help, you'd be wasting your time. -- Hoary (talk) 05:03, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

A couple of years ago I put a comment on the Talk:Ship page. The issue was resolved long ago to my satisfaction and I imagine everyone else's satisfaction as well. Since the discussion on the talk page is now irrelevant to the Ship page, do I have some responsibility to delete or close the discussion? I read Wikipedia:Closing discussions and it is not clear to me if that should be done. Yanacochito (talk) 17:33, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

It's not necessary to do anything,

WP:TPG. As far as archiving, for most article talk pages, it isn't needed. As a matter of fact, most article talk pages consist of the Wikiprojects banner and nothing else. The general practice is when a talk page's length gets unwieldy, someone will set up archiving. John from Idegon (talk

) 17:42, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

2017 is still fresh for a talk page, and I dislike archiving unchecked WayBack bot info. For a working 2005 example see Talk:List of Penthouse Pets, for a working AFC-draft 2019 example see Talk:Kim Iversen, and for a FAIL ("manual archiving" as IP) see Talk:Jimmy Dore. –84.46.53.160 (talk) 23:21, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

Could someone please tell me how to find out the following: 1) How many (or what percentage) of articles in the English Wikipedia are under some kind of protection at the current time, e.g. how many are semi-protected, how many are under extended confirmed protection, etc.? 2) How often the spam blacklists are triggered 3) How often the edit filters stop someone from publishing an edit

Many thanks in advance, Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 21:54, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

Upvote, good questions, I often recommend "pending review" as better than "semi", if there are enough watchers (of course IPs don't get the exact watcher data, it could be abused for spamming), but I have no supporting data apart from "worked for me on

WP:RS deprecated + WT:WHITELIST are also interesting, there are some "chilling effects" (example). –84.46.53.160 (talk

) 00:04, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

I am trying to link to a specific entry on this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_monastic_houses_in_County_Armagh

Is there any way to link to the specific entry, or do I have to link the main article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leaflemon (talk • contribs) 01:51, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi

WP:LINKPART) for the software to link to, i.e. you need to create a hook that it can latch on to for linking purposes. Whether this will work for you, I'm not sure but I think in theory it should. -- Marchjuly (talk

) 02:16, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Note that another user could edit the table at any point to remove the anchor, so it shouldn't be considered permanent. --Danielklein (talk) 02:44, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

I have previously raised the issue of Sri Lankan film notability with Gihan Jayaweera, but he has not replied to any of the messages I posted on his talk page. He has, however, replied to me here. I am still concerned that most of the film articles Gihan has created are not notable enough, or have not been proven to be notable enough for inclusion on Wikipedia. As an example, James Bond (2005 film) (a Sri Lankan comedy) has two references, one which probably mentioned the film at the time it was linked but doesn't now, and the other which is merely a list of Sri Lankan films, so proves its existence, not its notability. The article was flagged for exactly this issue as its second edit two weeks after it was created in 2017, and has not been addressed since. The vast majority of Sri Lankan film articles have exactly the same problem. It would be better to have hundreds of notable articles on Sri Lankan topics than thousands of unnotable ones. --Danielklein (talk) 03:20, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Check out

WP:PROD

, it's a "no questions asked" low level proposed deletion procedure:

1. add {{
   PROD|reason}} at the top of the page and preview the effect, it will holler and ask for a subst:PROD substitution. Your
   edit summary has to mention "deletion" for clarity. The reason can be "multiple issues incl. NN since 2017" or similar, short, no essay.
2. save + read the output, there's a suggestion (= template) how to inform the main contributor(s) on their user talk pages, copy it to your clipboard.
3. check the edit history, determine the main contributor(s), and paste the suggested PROD info on their user talk pages from your clipboard.

Before you do this check the edit history + talk page for obvious indications of an older PROD or AFD, after an old PROD or AFD a new PROD is invalid, and the magic to block this does not always work. After you did this everybody is free to contest the PROD (= remove it) with or without reason. Or endorse it (= add an Old PROD info + endorsement on the talk page). Or ignore it until the PROD reaches its timeout, and an admin either deletes the page or finds a bug in the PROD (old AFD etc.) –84.46.53.160 (talk) 04:40, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

I'm a relatively new Wikipedia editor, and have decided to help Wikipedia by trying to deal with vandalism, whilst doing this i stumble across these two edits: 1 2 I feel that these two edits might have an Npov issue and would like some help with managing it All hail Armok (talk) 03:49, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Many thanks for catching that blatant COI series of edits, All hail Armok. I reverted them and warned the editor in question.--Quisqualis (talk) 06:38, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Note that, once you have enough edits and enough time on Wikipedia, which you do, All hail Armok, you can be bold and do what I did.--Quisqualis (talk) 06:41, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

i want to create reference on

@Leela52452: If you click on the "Additional article information" link, it goes to the citation details of the article. Using the editor citation toolbar, choose "Cite journal" in the dropdown, enter the PMID (22629572) in the PMID field, and click on the search button beside the field. It then populates many of the fields, which you should verify are correct. It sets the Pages field to the complete range of pages of the article, which is 270-80 (incorrectly using a hyphen instead of an endash). Find the page in the article that verifies the statement, put it in the Page field, and remove the 270-80 from the Pages field. Add the PMC id (3361690, without the "PMC" in front) to the PMC field and the URL ( https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3361690 ) to the URL field. If the page is 270, this is the result:

<ref name="PMC-3361690">{{cite journal |last1=Copeland |first1=WB |last2=Bartley |first2=BA |last3=Chandran |first3=D |last4=Galdzicki |first4=M |last5=Kim |first5=KH |last6=Sleight |first6=SC |last7=Maranas |first7=CD |last8=Sauro |first8=HM |title=Computational tools for metabolic engineering |journal=Metabolic engineering |date=May 2012 |volume=14 |issue=3 |page=270 |doi=10.1016/j.ymben.2012.03.001 |pmid=22629572 |url=https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3361690/ |accessdate=24 January 2020 |pmc=3361690}}</ref>

—[AlanM1(talk)]— 06:53, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

+1, found no missing |authorlinkn=… ignoring Bryan Bartley as unrelated (and cursing silly middle initials by the WASP.) You can use |quote=It had been used to analyze various real biological data in {{cite journal}} if desired. This source suggests how they like to be cited, and the Medicine WikiProject would be upset if you cite unreliable sources. –84.46.53.160 (talk) 07:10, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

I've been using https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews which shows how many times an article has been accessed, but I'd also like to know which pages are directing the most traffic to these articles. Is there a tool that shows this? --Danielklein (talk) 23:28, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Danielklein. The short answer is no. I understand where you're coming from, and it would be fabulous to have a Google Analytics-style way of understanding traffic flow and visitor depth, TOS etc. But I'm not aware of any such functionality on the (just over) 6,000,000 articles we have here. Sorry. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:55, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply Nick Moyes. Is it possible somehow to order "What links here" by number of article views? That would be a proxy for the information I'm looking for. --Danielklein (talk) 02:41, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Danielklein, it would be feasible, but I don't know of any special page on Wikipedia which would achieve this. There may or may not be a tool for it yet, but it could certainly be created if there is not. Are you looking to do one article at a time? Dreamy Jazz 🎷 ^{talk to me | my contributions} 03:16, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Dreamy Jazz, yes, I'm just interested in a particular article at the moment which has thousands of articles linking to it (many-to-one). If there is an API (or two) that can get the referring articles, then query them for views, that would do the trick! --Danielklein (talk) 03:39, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

The next step, then, would be to put a proposal/request together. I would guess that Wikipedia:User scripts/Requests would be the best place to do that. I used to love playing around behind the scenes with Google Analytics for the webpages I had built, and your proxy suggestion would be of some interest to me, too. Perhaps you woukd be so kind as to report back if you have any success? Thanks, Nick Moyes (talk) 08:54, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi

)SAHA. It's going to be kinda hard for someone here at the Teahouse to help you if you're not really able to describe the problem you're having. Are you only having problems when you try to edit the page using the "Visual editor" (VE) or are you having the same problems when you use the "Source editor" (SE)? I don't use the VE so I don't really know anything about how it works, but I'm able to open the editing window for the "Scoring" section using the SE without any problems. -- Marchjuly (talk

) 06:19, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

@

 :) S A H A 

08:09, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

Have you tried to use the VE on another article or using another device? For example, try checking VE on similarly formatted

WP:VPT since there may be some techinical issue that's causing the problem. Sometimes in the past when I've a tech problem, it turned out to be already something others were aware of (i.e. a "known" bug) that just hasn't been fixed yet or can't be fixed. -- Marchjuly (talk

) 00:17, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

@

 :) S A H A 

12:52, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

I am new and I understood that I need to sign my contributions in talk pages. However, I have some difficulties to do so. I tried to use the sign button but this is the result:--Panais24 (talk) 12:43, 24 January 2020 (UTC) Could you tell me what am I doing wrong? Thank you, --Panais24 (talk) 12:43, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Well, it looked like it worked on this page. It might be due to the fact that I was previously trying to use it in: code|nowiki--Panais24 (talk) 12:48, 24 January 2020 (UTC)--12:48, 24 January 2020 (UTC)Panais24 (talk)/nowiki with {{}} around it and <> around the nowiki

--Panais24 (talk) 12:45, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi again Panais24. I think our posts just crossed. I left you a note just now, both on the Chamonix talk page and on your own, too. It looks like you've cracked it. Just type the squiggly keyboard 'tilde' character button four times. It adds your username, date and time, and is terribly useful for knowing who said what. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 12:54, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

If you're wondering why your username is red, it's because you've not yet created a userpage. Ity'll go blue once you do. You can use it to say a little about yourself and your interests in editing Wikipedia. It can be just a few words, or a more detailed explanation of your editing aspirations and relevant experience. It's up to you. See

WP:USERPAGE for more details, if you wish. Nick Moyes (talk

) 12:57, 24 January 2020 (UTC)  

WP:CHUS to make a request. 331dot (talk

) 10:52, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

@Kasbeat: I'm not really sure why 331dot made that suggestion to you. Apart from your deleted userpage and this one single edit above, you've not made any other edits to Wikipedia at all with this account. It would be far, far simpler for you just to create a completely new account, and simply throw away or forget the password for this current one. Providing you only ever edit from the new account from now on, you'd be fine. It's really not worth the administration involved to change someone's name when they've not actually used the account. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 15:21, 24 January 2020 (UTC)  

Nick Moyes The user asked a question, and I provided an answer. The question was straightforward enough that I didn't think it necessary to investigate the matter. I welcome additional information from anyone, though. Thanks 331dot (talk) 16:17, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

@Robert McClenon: I'll just copy-paste my message that I had sent to Robert who had declined my draft here.

Hey Robert! I had submitted the Dilshad draft for review. Thanks for reviewing it. I hope it isn't wrong if I "argue" for my "case" :D I had earlier made this article which was passed by Frayae. I believe the Dilshad one matches that one's "quality". Also, Largoplazo had commented on the Dilshad draft that "It's definitely better, nice". That was what made me confident enough that it would pass the review. How do you think I can improve it till it becomes eligible for an article? Your suggestions would be a great help. Cheers!

If someone would give me suggestions on improving the draft or take a second look at it would be pretty sweet :D Thanks! — JosephJames 11:05, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

I agree with Robert's decline. All six references appear to be rehashes of press release type content. Dilshad may go on to have a notable career, but this is

WP:TOOSOON. David notMD (talk

) 11:33, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

But the person in question received 2 awards from 2 different sources/companies, right? What about that? — JosephJames 14:29, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Those two refs are press release content for obscure awards. Still TOO SOON. David notMD (talk) 16:31, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

I want to create a page for a well known guy, so where can I create it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by TrustedformsONLY (talk • contribs) 16:33, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

@

WP:YFA to learn about what is needed for an article, and then you can use the wizard there to create a draft for review. RudolfRed (talk

) 17:04, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

You have started a draft Draft:Obada Adnan but it has not yet been submitted to Articles for Creation (AfC). Wikipedia has specific criteria for determining notability of musicians. See Wikipedia:Notability (music). David notMD (talk) 17:25, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

TrustedformsONLY, you have been told that "IMDb, Pinterest and Soundcloud are not reliable sources." Wikipedia is not for promotional purposes, and the world is not going to be told about Obada Adnan here on Wikipedia until he achieves WP:Notability. You need to rely on social media for free promotion until then.--Quisqualis (talk) 19:46, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Hello. I am interested in creating a page for the Honorable Carla Madison, deceased Denver City Councilwoman. Among other accolades, in answer to a citizen's request, the Denver City Council voted unanimously to name a Regional Recreation Center in her honor. There is a great deal about her in local newspapers but there are still questions about her achievements and why she was deserving of this honor.

1)I can not find what constitutes a valid entry. 2)Do I need to start an account and edit existing articles before I can submit an article for publication, or can I focus solely on the article I would submit?

Paul Weiss — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:280:4500:1FF6:95A0:711A:4822:DCD9 (talk) 20:43, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia has articles, not mere "pages". This is a subtle but important distinction. A Wikipedia article summarizes what independent

notability

.

You don't need an account to create an article, though unregistered users are unable to directly create articles- they must create and submit a draft using

Articles for Creation

. New accounts must have at least 10 edits and be four days(or more) old in order to directly create an article- though we usually advise that's its a good idea for most users to use Articles for Creation regardless of if they have an account or not. This is because successfully creating a new article is the hardest task on Wikipedia, and it's good to get feedback on your work as you go, as opposed to once it is formally in the encyclopedia

An article about a person is valid if it can be shown with independent reliable sources that the person meets the

Your First Article to learn more about the process. 331dot (talk

) 20:51, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for the advice. I will research Articles for Creation, Definition of Notable Person and Your First Article. Should She not qualify as a Notable Person, then would the building named after her be? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:280:4500:1FF6:95A0:711A:4822:DCD9 (talk) 21:08, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

That's a strong possibility, especially if it is a public facility(as it seems to be). 331dot (talk) 21:10, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Again, that would depend on the number and quality of the independent published sources about the building. --ColinFine (talk)

Hello,

I wrote a message to an editor who had messaged me weeks ago, but haven't heard back, so I'm hoping to find some assistance here. There are some very old alerts at the top of the Wikipedia page for our nonprofit, and I need to know what we need to do to have them taken down, please? Faith Comes By Hearing

I joined Faith Comes By Hearing in communications a couple of months ago, and noticed the Wikipedia page has at the top "This article may have been created or edited in return for undisclosed payments.."(dated Sept 2017) and "this article reads like a press release or a news article or is largely based on routine coverage or sensationalism." (dated Nov. 2016). Both alerts are incorrect and shed a negative light on our international organization. Both alerts were posted before I came along, and I'm not sure what else to do to have them removed.

We simply need to update some of the facts and figures - our numbers have grown, some programs aren't in use now, new ones have been introduced. I added some updates in November, and included sourced content. It looks like some of the updates were kept, but I don't see the outside sources listed and there is still outdated information on the page- along with the negative alerts.

I did read the Wikipedia guidelines, but if someone associated with the organization can't update the information so it's correct, what is the procedure? Can someone help?

For example, here are some listings/articles that were NOT produced by us- the first is our public listing on Charity Navigator:

https://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=6394

Here's an Oct. 24th article published by Crossway: 2019 https://www.crossway.org/articles/gospel-centered-partnership-faith-comes-by-hearing/

Here's one published by the National Christian Foundation - authored by Mart Green (of Hobby Lobby). https://www.ncfgiving.com/stories/b-is-for-a-bible-for-every-people-group/?utm_campaign=saturday7&utm_source=mailchimp&utm_medium=email&utm_content=03_b_is_for_a_bible

Thank you for your assistance! Deana Day (ThefiveWs (talk) 21:28, 24 January 2020 (UTC))

paid editing policy

. The latter is a Wikipedia Terms of Use requirement, and applies whether or not you are paid in money or anything tangible(such as being an unpaid intern or volunteer).

As you have a conflict of interest, you should request any changes you feel are needed on the article talk page(

edit request.(click for instructions) 331dot (talk

) 21:47, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Hello, I read your message about article Enzo Camporeale. Thank you for letter. In 2015, I made this page. If it is not difficult for you to explain what mistakes there are. Thanks, Regards MadamButerfly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MadamButerfly (talk • contribs) 01:24, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi

the greatest writing in the world is not really going to save an article about a non-Wikipedia notable subject from being deleted. -- Marchjuly (talk

) 02:37, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Thank you that you answered fast!

I understood. Thanks for explanation.

I will have to turn to him to provide some material to make it visible and dignified.

As far as I know this year he had 2 interviews on Italian television and the interview was placed by a television channel on the Youtube. But more detailed and accurate information I will have to get directly from the composer.

Regards MadamButerfly.— Preceding unsigned comment added by MadamButerfly (talk • contribs) 03:07, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi again

WP:TILDE. -- Marchjuly (talk

) 04:56, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Therefore, I agree to your correct decision to delete this page. Excuse me, if I only responded yesterday (I see the letter about correction was earlier than this year) to your request because I went to the profile this year, the last time was a few years ago. Thanks for the adjustments and quick connection. Regards MadamButerfly (talk) 22:07, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

It said that the page was not to be deleted because it was kept for humorous reference, but it has been fully deleted. Is that allowed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Heroe Of Time (talk • contribs) 08:05, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

LittleGhostBoo/Story never existed, please wikilink the lost subpage here, this should be shown as red link. –84.46.53.160 (talk) 08:23, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi

WP:LONGTIME. -- Marchjuly (talk

) 08:27, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

A ha. I think I found what you're referring to. Are you asking about

some other website more suitable for hosting such content. If that's what you'd like to do, try asking the administrator who deleted the page to send you the content by email. -- Marchjuly (talk

) 08:36, 24 January 2020 (UTC); [Note: Post edited by Marchjuly for some minor cleanup (e.g. change "no" to "know" and replace a period with a question mark). -- 22:37, 24 January 2020 (UTC)]

Well, I was concerned because that story has been around for years and has evolved into a gigantic story that was one of the most amazing articles I’d ever seen on Wikipedia. Some of the things there were really well written. Also, being a 10 year old article, it was quite nostalgic. Anyway, I will ask the Admin and see the link. Thanks for answering. Heroe Of Time (talk) 08:54, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Yes, it violated

WP:NOTWEBHOST. Wikipedia cuts a small amount of slack to editors who are active and constructive; but this editor hasn't really added much to articles in a decade, and you describe the story as "gigantic". -- Hoary (talk

) 10:15, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

It was I who deleted it, for just the reasons

MfD would be the next step. Justlettersandnumbers (talk

) 11:58, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Littleghostboo/Story (2nd nomination). Dorsetonian (talk) 12:47, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Hello Teahouse. I'm trying and failing to get the encyclopedia tone right. I'll be honest, using Wikipedia every day made me think I could do it okay, and I was wrong! This is my current attempt at a Wiki entry. I've taken out rogue adjectives and any of the fluffy talk I'd put in my novels. What am I looking at here? Thanks everyone!

Supajam is a UK media and education company. It produces television shows and has a school providing training in the music industry.

Supajam.com Supajam.com launched in 2008 and ran competitions to send unsigned bands to play festivals. Partnered with Vince Power, they worked with Benacassim, Hop Farm and others[1]. Supajam worked with Sony to create a music competition for bands, Breakout Brasil[2][3], for Brazilian television. It ran for two seasons.

In 2015 Supajam arranged for Frank Turner to play the 'Save the 12 Bar' campaign in London,[4][5], and during the London Olympics Supajam worked with Oakley, providing music for the ‘Safe House’ and Closing Party for the USA Olympic Team.

SEMM: SupaJam Education in Music and Media SupaJam Education in Music and Media was founded in 2013 to providing training for young people alongside the mainstream school system. They run schools at two full-time locations[6][7][8]. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Goldalene (talk • contribs) 22:19, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Hello,

notable (in the special way that Wikipedia uses that word), and your work will be wasted when the article is deleted. Once you have some independent references, then you can avoid reading like an ad by basing it on what those sources say, not on what Supajam wants to say. --ColinFine (talk

) 23:18, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks User:ColinFine, I hadn't realised I need to start looking at newspapers that way, but going back I really see your point. Actually feels very applicable to real life! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Goldalene (talk • contribs) 00:15, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

I originally submitted an article,

If there were one or two more references of the quality of the NY Times piece, I'd say this is clearly something we should accept into mainspace. As it is, however, I have my doubts that it would survive WP:AfD. -- RoySmith (talk) 20:36, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

I added a significant amount of sources and resubmitted. On January 17 it was denied again by Robert McClenon for a completely different reason not previously mentioned; it is two similar to the article 'Attacks on humanitarian workers'. This is inaccurate because the Draft:Aid Worker Security Database article simply explains the role and parameters of the database not the actual act of attacking a humanitarian worker. By this logic any IHL (International Humanitarian Law) pages or the page 'civilian casualties' would be a split of the ACLED Database wiki page. The Aid Worker Security Database has been a pillar of data on humanitarian workers used by the UN for a decade and should have its own page as RoySmith stated above. I would appreciate any assistance in rectifying this misunderstanding with reviewer Robert McClenon. Thank you in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HumOutcomes (talk • contribs) 16:27, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi RoySmith. I have noticed the seeming inconsistency you describe. It appears to result from the fact that a reviewer need only cite one glaring shortcoming of an article in order to deny it. Each reviewer has a different perspective on the shortcoming they find most prominent. Once you have corrected that deficiency, the next editor finds another shortcoming still remaining to be addressed, and so on. Due to time constraints on reviewers, you only receive feedback on one "fatal problem" at a time. I'm pretty sure this makes Wikipedia look unfriendly to new article submitters, and perhaps the language of the rejection template can be altered so as not to suggest that an article has one deficiency only, to avoid a nasty surprise to earnest article creators.

Rather than trying to score a "home run" with a stand-alone article, it might be more practical for you to add a section on the database to the article Attacks on humanitarian workers. --Quisqualis (talk) 17:15, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

• • Pinging the OP, HumOutcomes. John from Idegon (talk) 17:47, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Aid Worker Security Database

with respect to whether the database is notable in itself. Other editors have persuaded me that the approach I was using was too restrictive. That does not mean that I will accept it, but that I will review it again.

User:Quisqualis - I agree that the key question is whether the information in this draft should be added to the existing article or accepted as a separate article. Robert McClenon (talk) 10:55, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

reliable source gives significant independent coverage to the database, the draft should be accepted. Robert McClenon (talk

) 10:55, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

User:Robert McClenon - Thank you very much for agreeing to take another look. Some additional examples that may help you see my dilemma are ACLED and Insecurity Insight, which are both very similar databases that have their own wiki pages, and were not asked to combine with existing explanations of the general topic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HumOutcomes (talk • contribs) 13:19, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

HumOutcomes, You have a fundamental misunderstanding of how Wikipedia works. Please take a look at Wikipedia:Five pillars, especially the first two points. The people (like myself) who are reviewing your article are here because we want to build an encyclopedia. You are here because you want to promote your project. When you start from the premise that Wikipedia is a tool you can use to promote something, everything goes in the wrong direction from there. The fact that some other article may exist has zero bearing on the review of your article.

I see you wrote something about your COI on your user talk page, but for all that you wrote, you still never managed to make a simple statement that explains your conflict of interest. It's really very simple. My interest in being here is to write an encyclopedia. The project's interest is also to write an encyclopedia. Thus, my interests and the project's interests are aligned. Your interest is to promote the AWSD. That's in conflict with the wikipedia project's interest. The whole point of the COI declaration is to explain how your interest in being here differs from the project's interests. I assume it is something along the lines of, "I am an employee of ...", or, "I am the founder of ...", or "I am the owner of ...", or "I have been paid by ... to write this article", or something along those lines. You'll also want to read the Wikimedia Terms of Use, especially the section headed, Paid contributions without disclosure. -- RoySmith (talk) 16:26, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your clarification RoySmith, I explain on that page I did have an unrelated research relationship with the larger consulting group that deals with the database, the database itself does not employ any people. My interest in having this article included is also to better wikipedia as an encyclopedia; and to be honest I was surprised the AWSD had not already been added as it is used as a source by so many organisations, universities and people. User:HumOutcomes

The Issue of Drafts and Redirects

There is an issue involved here that applies to review of drafts in general, and is being discussed at

It has been pointed out that I may have sometimes been too strict in my reviews of drafts that would

) 10:55, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

@

the AFC talk page

.

It seems you may be over-using

WP:SPINOUT

.

Note: We can all read and edit Wikipedia. We can also read documentation and cite things like...

WP:DBN

. For example, along the way I found:

whacked with a wet trout . Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know you did something silly.

PhanChavez (talk) 02:50, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

New to Wiki editing here...with some questions. Only yesterday I edited the page "Myofascial Release". This has been an academic and professional interest of mine for over 2 decades. For those of you who don't know what it is, myofascial release is a type of manual therapy applied to manage pain. The editor removed my changes because he/she said my "edits took the article far away from a neutral portrayal of the mainstream viewpoint on that topic - namely, that it is pseudoscience and does not work." That might have been a valid argument 30 years ago. But today a third of all licensed US medical practitioners use the technique daily. In fact, the anecdotal support is enormous, with it being a main topic at the 6th international congress on fascia. No, it does not have hundreds of validated clinical studies behind it, although there are many reliable and credible ones. The general consensus of the scientific community is that the basis of myofascial release for pain relief has some scientific support, albeit not overwhelming. But most will concede the fact that it IS used in a third of clinical practices. So with relatively widespread use, and about a dozen good quality clinical studies in pain relief, it's actually scientifically more valid than treating a stiff neck with massage to relieve pain. I guess that makes neck massage pseudoscience too? So at what point does "pseudoscience" become "science": when a certain percentage of practitioners use it? Or after a certain number of publications, like somewhere between 12 and 200? -MZDr.Zannakis (talk) 20:26, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Dr.Zannakis, What's your source for that metric? "used in a third of clinical practices" needs some serious sources to prove it moonythedwarf (Braden N.) 20:35, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Also, "third of all licensed US medical practitioners" is not the same thing as "used in a third of clinical practices", at least to my understanding. Perhaps you can clarify the types of practices you are including (in addition, of course, to a

reliable source or two for this seemingly extraordinary claim). —[AlanM1(talk

)]— 22:23, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy: Article in question is Myofascial release. David notMD (talk) 03:21, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Medicine and health-related articles require references that comply with a special set of rules to be considered reliable sources. See

I recently added an article in Wikipedia and it was deleted by Wikipedia. This is the 2nd time happening to me. so I need some help for adding some of my information's in Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nehnausman (talk • contribs) 04:07, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Nehnausman. You were trying to add highly promotional content about multi-level marketing to Wikipedia. You have been trying to use a neutral encyclopedia to publicize your business ideas. That is not allowed and if you continue on that path, I am sorry to say that you will be blocked. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:44, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

A few weeks ago, I reported an issue with a template, welcome-anon-t, to the talk page which I felt was most likely to be watched by people capable of fixing the issue, namely Wikipedia talk:Welcoming committee. There haven't been any changes logged in the template's history since that day, though. What's the best way to get this looked at? Airbornemihir (talk) 18:28, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Airbornemihir. The welcoming committee probably cold not help you on this. You wold be more likely to see action by posting to WP:Village pump (technical).--Quisqualis (talk) 18:52, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Documentation fixed. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 22:09, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

@

Welcome-anon}}, {{Welcome-anon-t}} and {{Welcome-t-anon}}. The first has the parameter since [1]. I suggest adding it to the others. PrimeHunter (talk

) 22:40, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: Doh! That occurred to me, but I guess I was distracted by something shiny and forgot all about it . I'll fix it. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 00:15, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Fixed (I hope). I asked a couple of questions at Wikipedia talk:Welcoming committee. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 01:59, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Quisqualis for pointing me to the technical village pump (although it wasn't needed this time around) and thanks PrimeHunter, AlanM1 for fixing the documentation and the underlying issue. Airbornemihir (talk) 11:11, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Seba writes about and lectures on tech disruption - the convergence of solar PV, battery EVs, autonomous vehicles/transportation as a service/TaaS, the end of oil. he speaks at conferences worldwide. surprised he doesn't have Wikipedia page. don't want to waste my valuable time writing one if it's not going to be accepted. Seba — Preceding unsigned comment added by Doug Grinbergs (talk • contribs) 05:38, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Hello

reliable, mainstream publications? If so, you may have an article. However, WP cares not what Mr. Seba and his minions have to say about him and his career.--Quisqualis (talk

) 06:10, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

I would not use the word "minions", but you will need to sift through a lot of the internet content to find quality references. Much of what I saw was his own generated content or conference programs at which he was a speaker. I suggest you model your approach on articles listed at List of futurologists. David notMD (talk) 11:38, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Here's three examples of potential answers I've come up with, with prices I made up, from A-Z:

• between US$99-US$109
• from US$99-US$109
• US$99-US$109

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Childishbeat (talk • contribs) 09:00, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

@

you can't take a price from one source and a price from another to say "here's the range." Ian.thomson (talk

) 09:52, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

@

endash as a separator and only use US$ once ("US$99–109"). For the first two options, as mentioned above, the exact choice may depend on the context, but generally, "from US$99 to $109" or "between US$99 and $109" (i.e., don't use a dash if you're going to use a preposition and use "US" only once). —[AlanM1(talk

)]— 12:20, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Dear Wikipedia, when i looked at the List of tallest buildings in Finland article and looked at the Tallest proposed, approved or under construction and clicked the first one, there is nothing there. Can you please make a Wikipedia page about it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jambe2020 (talk • contribs) 16:27, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Hello,

WP:TOOSOON for that. There must be dozens of proposals for new buildings in nay major cities which never happen. see summary of the Trigoni proposal) But as I can't even see it listed on Finnish Wikipedia (see here, I suspect you might have a long wait. I might normally direct someone to our 'WP:requested articles' section, but I'm not convinced seeking this right now is a good idea. But thanks for dropping by the Teahouse with your question. Regards Nick Moyes (talk

) 16:58, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

The reason was mentioned as the topic is not notable enough to be included in wikipedia. But I believe its very novel business idea which has transformed into an era defining product which will shape the future of the web. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chinmaypanda.in (talk • contribs) 11:21, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

neutral point of view

. If your business becomes notable, an independent editor will take note of it and write about it; this is the preferred way of creating articles, being written by independent editors.

Also note that a Wikipedia article is

not necessarily desirable. There are good reasons to not want one. 331dot (talk

) 11:29, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Your company's website cannot be used as a reference for an article about your company. All of the blue Wikilinks that 331dot provided provide more reasons why this topic and you writing it are not a good idea. David notMD (talk) 11:44, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

@

^📞

14:15, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

@

Masumrezarock100 and 331dot: I reported to UAA a few hours ago, and have now quoted the comment above there. Seems to be something of a logjam there, BTW. —[AlanM1(talk

)]— 17:20, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Lol, you are a joke. I am literally an expert on the Financial Crisis of 2008. The Crisis was actually caused by over 30 years of lobbying of deregulations by primarily Chase and Citibank. The repeal of Glass-Steagal in 1999, thru Gramm-Leach-Bliley followed by deregulations allowing fractional lending at absurd ratios in some cases of 60-1, and most likely the fact the Bankers knew even after the collapse they would not be held responsible. I could go into greater detail, but if this is a Pro Trump website you don't care about facts anyway. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.138.91.3 (talk) 03:11, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Hello, IP editor. Michael Bloomberg has been repeatedly vandalized in recent days. The vandalism has been removed, and I have semi-protected the article for three days to deter further vandalism. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:35, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Usually it is said that Wikipedia has a left wing bias, not a right wing one. 331dot (talk) 09:46, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

I've threatened the IP who added that, 2600:100F:B02A:43DE:7477:E95:1278:D48E, some. Bishonen | talk 17:27, 25 January 2020 (UTC).

I wanna summarise the ancient things as many written in the bible, to explain alot of what they are, is it apropiate to cite using bible?

And tables, why tables on editing section different from that of other articles I've read? and what one can do to make them look like that of other articles?Se pinya (talk) 23:54, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

Hello

Age of the Earth or Evolution or Law or Homosexuality

. You would need to remember that this is an encyclopaedia of notable topics, collating information from reliable sources. When in doubt, it is best to make a suggestion for an edit on an article talk page and see what other editors feel about it, first.

As for your second question about tables, I didn't fully understand what you were describing. Please provide a link or url to some articles to help us understand your question better. Many thanks, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:50, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

You see the table with the yellow line is different from that one with the 3 columns, now my question is, how did that table with 3 columns ended up looking like that with the yellow line, because that one with the yellow line is the one used mostely on all the articles I've read.But on editing section I find only that one with 3 columns as optioned which is called wikitable Why is that one with the yellow line not included? And again, can wiki be fused with the Microsoft word so to be able to draw good tables and mergings and linings than doing it in codes?Se pinya (talk) 19:26, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Hello Se pinya.The one with the yellow line is not called a table; it's an Infobox, which you can make after reading the article at the blue Infobox link. Different Infoboxes are intended for different types of articles, such as Speciesbox, Chembox, Infobox mineral, Infobox person etc.--Quisqualis (talk) 05:57, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

OK thanks Se pinya (talk) 23:09, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Please create more articles for 6 mil articles! There are just -817815 articles left! Add oil! 13:51, 23 January 2020 (UTC) — Preceding

@

The Lord of Math:  Done. We made it to 6 million articles. Interstellarity (talk

) 20:26, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

And it was one of our admins who got us there! Nick Moyes (talk) 23:38, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

I followed the guidelines and instructions given on wikipedia about creating a new article (Aishe Ghosh). Just want someone to check or approve it, if I missed something or did anything wrong. Tayi Arajakate (talk) 01:53, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi

page history of the article, you see that some other editors have tried to clean some things up; so, perhaps maybe they will further continue to do so or some new editors will show up to continue where they left off. -- Marchjuly (talk

) 06:03, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

Hey Marchjuly, thank you for the help. I just have one more question, I tried searching the name on google and it does not appear even when i add "wiki" or "wikipedia" to it, is this supposed to be normal? Tayi Arajakate (talk) 01:49, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia doesn’t have any direct control so to speak over what shows up in Google search results, i.e. you can’t add some code to make an article appear on the first page of Google search results. In addition, newly created articles or low traffic articles may not show up at all at least until a certain amount of time has passed or more people start accessing them. — Marchjuly (talk) 02:02, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

In December 2019, I created a Draft:Group_of_Five_conferences to supplement Power_Five_conferences. It was initially rejected due to lack of notability (citations). I reviewed existing citations, and added several more, re-stated and re-phrased things, then re-submitted.

While waiting for review of the re-submit, User:Cardsplayer4life_2ndverse created a redirect for Group_of_Five_conferences to point to Mid-major.

During the initial drafting process, I did a bit of research here on Wikipedia, and elsewhere (off-site) in putting the draft together. I did not take notice of the term Mid-major (less notable, but valid term). The Mid-major page, though written poorly (tone/style, weasel words), has some good and valid information; some of which is also reflected in various other College Football articles.

After the second rejection, possibly or probably caused by the intermediate confusion (redirect), I've been told that I'm making a "mess" of things; I've gone to IRC to ask for help, replied in-kind following various forms of direction as discussed and outlined in various meta-information about Wikipedia standards and practices. I've read and reviewed a lot, trying to understand the best path forward.

In addition: I've taken the time to review things and try to understand the how/why behind decisions made. I've tried to figure out how to go forward.

As things stand, I've effectively given-up on even bothering to try to get Draft:Group_of_Five_conferences approved for creation.

One illegitimate thought to cross my mind: After submitting the created redirect for deletion, one thought to cross my mind was to simply hijack the redirect, dropping the Draft contents into that page? But I'm not sure how such matters would unfold. IMO: Akin to defacing a page. Versus making a mess of things (no less than the redirect created) by submitting DRN and 3O.

History be damned, I could care less about getting my draft approved, the effort hasn't been worth it after the second rejection...

First question: When someone hijacks the name/term/url for a draft article under creation, and creates a re-direct, what is the best path forward in handling such situations and circumstances???

IMO: This question is meant to help future users solve screwy problems like this.

Second question: Are there any editors or administrators willing to take the time to review matters and either (1) provide a helpful path forward, or (2) just do the necessary clean-up and close things out?

Thanks, PhanChavez (talk) 23:15, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Hello PhanChavez. One suggestion by the editor who made the redirect was to discuss the idea of your article on the Talk page of Mid-major. That way you will find out whether people who follow the subject agree with you on the split. Provide a link to your draft when you ask on the talk page.--Quisqualis (talk) 05:20, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

@Quisqualis: Already done. The page isn't getting any talk. Not sure what comes of talking about something. Doesn't address the core issue here. PhanChavez (talk) 23:14, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, PhanChavez. One path forward is to have the draft accepted. The reviewer who accepts a draft will move it over the redirect. If you believe that the redirect shouldn't exist regardless of whether the draft is accepted, then there's Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:53, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

@Cordless Larry: Thanks. Based on that page, and some other review, I think I've figured out a path forward if I feel like investing the energy. PhanChavez (talk) 23:14, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Resolution

IMO: This issue is (mostly, if not completely) resolved, and this Teahouse entry can be archived, or whatever is done after issues have been dealt with. PhanChavez (talk) 02:03, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi there, When can I expect my article to be published?

Appreciate your time.

Kind regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.2.22.230 (talk • contribs) 17:27, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

What article would that be, 80.2.22.230? Your Wikipedia contributions under the IP address we have above consist only of the post under discussion here.--Quisqualis (talk) 17:55, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

There are a few other contributions by this IP: Special:Contributions/80.2.22.230, but none look like an unpublished draft. RudolfRed (talk) 01:43, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi @80.2.22.230:. please feel free to let us know which article you mean. there are various editors here who can help with that. thanks!! --Sm8900 (talk) 02:19, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

This is just a question.I am just curious to know about the creator of this famous and most reliable web encyclopedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wuhan2019 (talk • contribs) 05:38, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

The founder of Wikipedia is Jimmy Wales. He still is active here; his user name is User:Jimbo Wales. --Sm8900 (talk) 05:48, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi

reference desk is usually the place to go to ask similar questions. Clovermoss (talk)

05:51, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Hello There. I would like to know if Sify.com is a acceptable source on Wikipedia? If it is reliable can you please re-add awards to Gurbaksh Chahal page? The awards were there but someone removed them saying links are not reliable thanks in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 42.106.216.13 (talk) 11:38, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

This is a news site and probably yes, it can be used as a source. Ruslik_Zero 14:59, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

The discussion about Chahal's awards is taking place at Talk:Gurbaksh_Chahal#Awards and you can't override consensus there by asking misleading questions that don't address the actual issues, and requesting editors who do not know the background to circumvent the discussion for you. --bonadea contributions talk 08:47, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

The Google Books preview of the book shows that the author is Peter H. Maguire, while, as you mentioned, the footy player is Peter Jason Maguire. --bonadea contributions talk 09:44, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

May I ask for some easy and simple steps to create a biography article of my client? — Preceding unsigned comment added by EliasHossainbd (talk • contribs) 18:01, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Before we tell you the steps, EliasHossainbd, you must overcome one hurdle impeding your progress:

1. You have a conflict of interest (COI), and must declare it on your Talk page. See: Wikipedia:Changing username/Simple--Quisqualis (talk) 18:17, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

See the the reply from DE Siegel with the 7 steps to an article.--Quisqualis (talk) 19:30, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

See also, and with some urgency

Wikipedia:PAID, as you have already been asked to do on your Talk page, and comply with its mandatory requirements. If you do not you are likely to be blocked from further editing. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.205.58.107 (talk

) 12:57, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Paul Frederick. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paul F Onyango (talk • contribs) 01:20, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

@Paul F Onyango: Welcome to Wikipedia. Did you have a question? RudolfRed (talk) 02:00, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

@Paul F Onyango:, anything to do with Paul Jones (wrestler)? {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.205.58.107 (talk) 13:02, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

I saw that the article Big Boi was a start-class article, but I believe that it is a higher quality. How do I promote it or start a discussion? I use the source editor. --Minecrafter0271 (talk) 05:07, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse,

Featured articles requires a formal review by uninvolved editors. You can change the grade by editing the templates at the top of the article talk page. It is probably a good idea to leave a note explaining your reassessment on the article talk page. At the very least, provide your reasoning in an edit summary. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it

06:04, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll try that. Cheers. --Minecrafter0271 (talk) 06:06, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

I looked over the article and think that it is a bit better than start class. However, it has too much content written in the "it was announced that" and "he revealed that" style. The article should not be a list of material from all his PR people's favorite talking points over the past two decades. The article needs much more critical assessment from people uninvolved in promoting his career, and originally written prose that accurately summarizes the full range of reliable independent sources discussing his life and his entire career. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:38, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Tightened the text a bit. I agree that it can be upgraded to C-class, although quite a bit of the content is without references. David notMD (talk) 13:24, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Could someone please direct me towards the guidelines for adding a reference to a kindle location? The usual ^: no can't work as kindle doesn't have pages, only locations. Thank you! Maryanne Cunningham (talk) 15:29, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Hello

WP:KINDLE

, which is a shortcut to the 'book' section on 'Citing Sources'. It helpfully suggests; "If there are no page numbers, whether in ebooks or print materials, then you can use other means of identifying the relevant section of a lengthy work, such as the chapter number or the section title."

If you are using

Visual Editor, though it's a bit more work to find the right field amongst a million others. Hope you're doing OK? Regards, Nick Moyes (talk

) 16:02, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Nick Moyes. Yes, I'm still here. Maryanne Cunningham (talk) 13:46, 26 January 2020 (UTC).

Hi there! There have been some very, very long discussions on the Talk:Judith Curry page, and I think that a big part of it is centered on how academic sources should be used in a BLP. That is, if the article subject writes a paper, to what extent can we rely on it for the article? To what extend should editors use academic articles as the basis for talking about an academic's perspectives? Are there any policies on this? Some different examples have been provided, some which definitely go with secondary sources first and use academic papers sparingly, and some which have whole sections built from academic articles. Thanks! Jlevi (talk) 19:28, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Oh. The relevant section might be

WP:ALLPRIMARY: "A peer-reviewed journal article may begin by summarizing a careful selection of previously published works to place the new work in context (which is secondary material) before proceeding into a description of a novel idea (which is primary material)." Jlevi (talk

) 19:36, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

I'm interested in how I should handle the latest edit to Jakov Sedlar (by IP address 2.204.251.54)? It appears that the subject of the article is removing criticism from the article, but the sources for the criticism are in Croatian, and so I can't verify them myself. Can you point me to the relevant wikipedia policies for this situation? Thanks! Perokema (talk) 22:20, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

WP:COIN to bring up the matter. 331dot (talk

) 22:21, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, that's very helpful! Perokema (talk) 22:27, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia has announced in this tweet that there have been service outages across the xx.wikipedia.org domain, affecting multiple language versions. See also this informal reporting website, suggesting the problem has been ongoing since c.14:00 UTC today. This is likely to significantly affect many people's ability to view or edit pages at the present time. Nick Moyes (talk) 21:02, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

I experienced about two hours of very limited access in California but things have improved in the last 15 minutes. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 21:07, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Western Europe has been hit hardest, but the Seattle area, much of California, the northeast U.S, Ontario and Israel are also affected. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 21:11, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Yep, just coming back to life for me here in Western Europe. I was all set to blame it on Brexit, or maybe even on Rosiestep! Nick Moyes (talk) 21:21, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, it affected me as well living in the Northeast US. Interstellarity (talk) 22:39, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

California Gold Country. --Rosiestep (talk

) 23:03, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

@Rosiestep: I'm surprised it's not had a higher count, so I can't blame you. Roger told me you were the person who got us to 6m articles, so congratulations from all of us here at the Teahouse! I was going to attempt to put my latest draft article out on time, but I had to get dinner for the family, so I missed the chance. Glad it was an established editor like you, though. Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:09, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, @Nick, and for sure, family comes first! --Rosiestep (talk) 23:23, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

How do you add pictures/flags. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ask ehx udnd (talk • contribs) 19:06, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Note: This seems to be regarding Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Flags on 2019–20 Wuhan coronavirus outbreak. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 23:39, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

190.38.94.242 make edit to list in Korean Drama page to 3 list.. I think we just to have 1 list not 3 list.. Michaelelijahtanuwijaya (talk) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Michaelelijahtanuwijaya (talk • contribs) 23:12, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

The place for discussion of changes to the article is

WP:SIGLINK; if you have tried to customise your signature at Special:Preferences you may have mistakenly checked the box labelled "Treat the above as wiki markup". --David Biddulph (talk

) 23:21, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Follow-up to Report Annoying User

190.38.94.242 make edit to list in Korean Drama page to 3 list.. I think we just to have 1 list not 3 list.. Michaelelijahtanuwijaya (talk)

I replied above, & you didn't need to start a new section. I'm glad that you've sorted out the links in your signature, but it is helpful if you include a timetag, which is the default when you use 4 tildes or the signature icon on the edit toolbar; if in doubt, reset your preferences to default if you've failed in an attempt to customise it. --David Biddulph (talk) 23:42, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

I have made up some edits for this article, I hope it meets the criteria.Goldie19 (talk) 00:02, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

I am having an issue giving citations in the endorsement section for Dan Lipinski. The article is linked here. Thanks so much in advance for any help! 2020 United States House of Representatives elections in Illinois#District 3 — Preceding unsigned comment added by TMFry (talk • contribs) 02:47, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

@

WP:CITATIONS

.

BTW, if you're linking to a WP article, you don't need to post the full URL here. 2020 United States House of Representatives elections in Illinois#District 3 does the same job, and looks tidier. (The # points to a section; it isn't needed if you're linking to the whole article.)

Oh, and always sign your posts on talk pages like this one with four tildes (~) (see

WP:SIGN). It makes it a lot easier to know who we're talking to! Yrs, Narky Blert (talk

) 04:19, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

I want to link properly to Tobias Capwell, who is currently being nurtured in a sandbox. I may be missing something obvious, but cannot find his |id=; which means I cannot get useful statistics like those on the right-hand side of "Yoelle Maarek publications indexed by Google Scholar".

(Please don't suggest that I edit Wikidata unless it's essential. I would marginally prefer to perform gastric surgery on myself using unwashed kitchen cutlery.) Narky Blert (talk) 00:07, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Narky Blert It does seem to come from the value of the user= parameter in the "citations" URL. In the example you give for Yoelle Maarek, Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1046 publications indexed by Google Scholar also works. I'm guessing there was a renumbering at some point, since the existing link (id EeTd0CYAAAAJ) just redirects to the current one (foccT34AAAAJ).

It appears that one must have registered a "profile" with Google Scholar in order to get one of these ids. If I search for Albert Einstein, the top of the listing has a link under the heading "User profiles for Albert Einstein" that points to the profile here with the id qc6CJjYAAAAJ. A search for Tobias Capwell doesn't have such a profile link at the top. I'm not clear on whether you can create one for them or not. Perhaps someone more familiar with GS will comment. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 00:51, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Very frustrating. There are easy-to-use templates for non-

WP:ELs; but GS should be a better site for a Publications or EL link than such as those, and be simple to link to. Narky Blert (talk

) 01:04, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

@Narky Blert: It's more of an issue with how GS works. There is a template for creating the search link for people without profiles:

{{Google scholar|"Tobias Capwell"|Tobias Capwell publications indexed by Google Scholar}}

which renders:

Tobias Capwell publications indexed by Google Scholar

This can produce off-topic results if there are others with the same name. It's not clear whether the hits for "T Capwell" have "Tobias Capwell" in the underlying data and that was matched, or it searches for "T Capwell" as well (which could produce a lot more false hits for common last names). —[AlanM1(talk)]— 03:45, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

@AlanM1: TY, that looks good. Fortunately, my man has both a rare given name and a rare surname, so there should be few if any false positives. If I can't get his h-index, so it goes. Still, it would be nice to use his id if he has one (does GS really demand that you make an acct to get one?). Narky Blert (talk) 04:35, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi,

I would like to create a new Wiki page. Could you please guide me on how I can go ahead?

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by SSSLink (talk • contribs)

Hello there,

reliable, published sources which will help demonstrate the topic is notable. (Ignore blogs, social media, press releases etc as they're not reliable or independent). Gather those together first and write only what those sources say (albeit using your own words to avoid copyright issues). Submit your Draft article for review and you will get feedback o whether or not it is OK. Good luck, and come back anytime if the guidance you read is in any way confusing. Good luck! Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk

) 16:05, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Also, Their username indicates that they are here to promote themselves which is not allowed. They will be blocked shortly. Interstellarity (talk) 16:08, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

You can tell that from a name? —Tamfang (talk) 05:02, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Nick, is that a template? —Tamfang (talk) 05:00, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

I would like to know how exactly can an editor create a pinned section in a talk page which is excluded from archiving by bots. Thanks -- Kmoksha (talk) 11:31, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

I originally thought you meant your own user talk page, which you are free to configure as you wish, but I see that you do not have archiving set up on User talk:Kmoksha. I saw notifications in the history that refer to archiving of Teahouse questions. If that is what you are referring to, the short answer is "you can't" (as far as I know). Archiving for this page is configured to keep the page at a manageable size by archiving threads that have ceased to be active. Currently, that seems to be threads not posted to for 48 hours. Perhaps whoever last configured it will comment, but it currently has 46 sections and many, many full-size browser pages of text. I suggest, when receiving notification that your thread was archived, you copy the link from the archive message (e.g. [2]) to a list in your userspace somewhere like User:Kmoksha/Archived discussions. Maybe there's a helper script to do this somewhere (anybody?). —[AlanM1(talk)]— 13:46, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

AlanM1 Thanks for your response. Please assume that the Wikipedia editor wants to do things in good faith. I do not intend to be disruptive, so obviously I would not do it in TeaHouse forum. I would like to use it for my own talk page and for Article Talk page with agreement of other editors. On own talk page, I could later use an archiving bot and use this feature to exclude some sections from being archived. Similarly, there can be sections which all editors would agree for being pinned and not being archived by bot.

I saw this template -

subst:pinsec}} at the top of a talk page section." But the "top" means above the section title ? My question is regarding formatting. -- Kmoksha (talk

) 14:15, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Sorry you feel I got it wrong, but I wasn't implying anything about motive. I didn't have much to go on, and explained my mind-reading. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 14:21, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

As to the question, it appears to mean after the section title (before the section title would put it in the previous section). E.g., User talk:Pine#Motivations for editing Wikipedia. I've clarified the doc. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 16:06, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Is this what you're after? {{Do not archive until}} You can set any date on it. - X201 (talk) 17:29, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Missed the bit about Pin section being a wrapper of this. - X201 (talk) 17:32, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Usage example, a pinned RFC on the reliable sources noticeboard: A fake signature by a fake user with a future timestamp in an invisible comment <!-- [[User:DoNotArchiveUntil]] 18:13, 4 January 2030 (UTC) --> for the bot and a {{Pin message}} for the humanoids. –84.46.53.116 (talk) 00:53, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

• • Kmoksha, please tell us exactly what you are talking about, with a link to the "Talk" space page you want to do this on. John from Idegon (talk) 17:25, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks X201 The template you gave can be useful along with the one which I found - {{subst:Pin section}}. I can use it for my user talk page. John from Idegon I got what I was looking for. Thanks by the way. -- Kmoksha (talk) 17:46, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

I want to contribute content and edit pre-exist content on Wikipedia. What is the prescribed procedure for that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.6.111.155 (talk) 06:43, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

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Littlest Pet Shop) (My Little Pony

) 06:53, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Please tell me why some titles of "Related Articles" links at the bottom of a article sometimes differ from the title of the linked article. How can that error be corrected? Thanks/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Palisades1 (talk • contribs) 01:35, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

@Palisades1: Can you give an example of such a page? It may be due to a piped link or a redirect. Unless it is going to a wrong page, it may not be an error that needs fixing. RudolfRed (talk) 02:10, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

@Palisades1: Some articles use Wikipedia:Page name#Changing the displayed title (often via a template) to change how the title is displayed at top of the article, e.g. changing IPhone to iPhone. This does not affect "Related articles" which always shows the real title IPhone like searches and categories. The real title cannot start with a lowercase letter. We need an example to see whether this is what you mean. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:23, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi,

I want to write wiki articles but first want to learn and practice. I have a few questions.

(1) Is sandbox private or can everyone view them, edit, delete, etc? If the sandbox is not private, is there a platform on the wiki that is (private for practice only)?

(2) It seems as though I made a few wiki commons here. It seems as though they are published or copyrighted? For all intents and purposes, I don't want them copyrighted (I don't own the images) nor do I want them published (for practice only). How can I change that? Can I delete them or move them, etc? I'm doing this because I want to be able to make infoboxes' on the wiki for practice, but it seemed to require that a [wiki] common be made first to add a file name (image,) only that I don't want commons as explained above.

Thank you,

Turk Hill — Preceding unsigned comment added by TurkHill (talk • contribs) 02:27, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

@TurkHill: There is no place private on Wikipedia, all pages are available to all users. Your sandbox is the best place to practice, it is unlikely to be disturbed by others unless you post copyright violations (for example) which is not allowed anywhere on Wikipedia. For the uploads on Commons, you should not have marked then as your own work. There is likely a tag you can place to have the files removed, but I am not sure what it is (someone else will likely be along shortly to address that. RudolfRed (talk) 02:35, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

@TurkHill: If you don't want to save it on Wikipedia, you might consider using a plain text editor on your computer to edit and store a local copy of the article you are working on. You can then copy and paste it into your sandbox, play with it there, using Preview to see how it looks without saving it (don't click Publish). Copy and paste it back to your local text editor and save it there while you continue to work on it. This will allow you to work on a draft that may contain content that will not be allowed if saved to Wikipedia, even in your sandbox, like copyrighted material that you are carefully rephrasing so it will look nothing like the original. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 12:23, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. I will use the text editor. That sounds like a good solution. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TurkHill (talk • contribs) 16:16, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

How to speedily delete existing files (own) on the wiki commons page. Is there a quick way to do this? For example, if one uploaded a picture onto wiki commons and marked it as copyrighted when not (a mistake only intended for practice) can it be removed or deleted, and how to do this?

Thank you TurkHill — Preceding unsigned comment added by TurkHill (talk • contribs) 16:15, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

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16:24, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

I have proposed to move

- talk

17:03, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

@

OxonAlex: Thanks. I wasn't sure because discussion was open for less than a week. Cheers! --Minecrafter0271 (talk

) 17:06, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

What's the simplest way to copy and paste an Excel table? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Richard Guldin (talk • contribs) 13:12, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

There are suggestions at Wikipedia:Tools#Excel. I don't know which ones work. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:48, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

User:Richard Guldin - Try https://tools.wmflabs.org/excel2wiki/index.php . Robert McClenon (talk) 16:46, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

@Richard Guldin: That's good advice from Robert McClenon. I've used that tool with some quite complex tables and it works fine. I advise testing any new table in your own personal sandbox, rather then messing up a live article. Nick Moyes (talk) 17:06, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

I use the Preview feature to view the table in the target document before publishing. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:14, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Rosenberg

How do I cite Rosenberg's birth certificate? I have an official paper copy. Can I upload it so others can see it?

Someone wrote "His parents were Jean (Weiner)[clarification needed] Rosenberg..." The spelling of Weiner here is correct. How do I provide that clarification (which I also got from his birth certificate)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Danielrona (talk • contribs) 18:47, 27 January 2020 (UTC)