Talk:Portal (video game)

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) CLYDE ^{TALK TO ME}/_{STUFF DONE} (please mention me on reply) 18:22, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose The 2007 Portal is clearly the PRIMARYTOPIC when it comes to a video game named Portal. This isn't like the DK move where there are multiple games within the franchise (and thus fighting for PRIMARYTOPIC) named the same. --Masem (t) 17:12, 28 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Support per nom. There's also the element of portals from the videogame series, which I would hazard is the primary topic instead of the game it is featured in -- 64.229.90.172 (talk) 23:50, 28 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose Per Masem, with the additional oppose to the idea that the gameplay concept of 'portals' is a greater primary topic over the 2007 game, especially since that concept doesn't even have an article as it's not independently notable. Additionally, nothing has changed since this was last proposed only a year or so again, which was a clear consensus. -- ferret (talk) 00:33, 29 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  I don't understand what you mean by saying there isn't an article about "the gameplay concept of 'portals'". There is

  Danzig, but a lot of people live in those places. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 23:34, 30 May 2023 (UTC)[reply

  ]

  Actually, it's just that I literally searched this article for such a link and didn't come across it, so I didn't go digging through various disambiguations independent of that. Fascinating that the Warp article uses Portal as a direct example yet doesn't have a link at all on this page. -- ferret (talk) 00:46, 31 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  I see. It was mentioned in the third sentence of my offered rationale for the RM: "There is also ambiguity with

  Portal (video game element) ..." It should presumably also be mentioned in this article, although it doesn't seem to be. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 02:08, 31 May 2023 (UTC)[reply

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  Eyeballs slide pass things sometimes :) I mostly was replying to the IP, after searching the article and coming up nil. I'd still absolutely disagree that the game play element is primary topic. -- ferret (talk) 12:54, 31 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Support Per nom. The 1986 video game is notable as well, so it's nonsensical that it's not being properly disambiguated. We aren't talking about a game with unclear notability here. Confusion should be avoided as much as possible and it's entirely believable people will be
  WP:SURPRISEd when looking for the 1986 one. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 15:52, 29 May 2023 (UTC)[reply
  ]

  But there is PRIMARYTOPIC, and I bet that if you asked a number of gamers about video games named "Portal", a majority (if not a near-unanimity) would only name Valve's Portal. The surprise is mitigated with the hatnote to the other 1986 portal on this page. Masem (t) 01:18, 31 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  It is not just a matter of video games named "Portal", but also things called "portal" / "Portal" in the context of video games. Disambiguation terms often identify a context. For example, James Baldwin (baseball) and Jim Carey (basketball) are sports players, not balls. So asking about "video games named 'Portal'" is not sufficient. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 02:08, 31 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  It seems to me that the 2007 Portal game is the primary topic when talking about portals in games generally, though. Popcornfud (talk) 13:10, 31 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: I forgot to mention that this is a case of
  WP:PARTIALDAB. The threshold for primary topic status in cases of partial disambiguation is especially high – much higher than for topics that have no disambiguation term appended. The usual canonical example of such a case is Thriller (album). —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 02:08, 31 May 2023 (UTC)[reply
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  The Thriller case absolutely supports keeping this article at "Portal (video game)", because the only other Portal video game is very obscure, while this Portal has entered the mass pop culture. Masem (t) 03:13, 31 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose per PRIMARYTOPIC. It's not uncommon for a newer work to completely overshadow an older work for the primary name. Or any other associated media for this game. If anything, now there's even more coverage of the title for RTX release. —  HELLKNOWZ ∣ TALK 13:00, 31 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose. The original Portal seems to be the
  WP:PRIMARYTOPIC here, whether we consider the Portal series, other video games with the title "Portal", or portals in video games generally. Popcornfud (talk) 13:09, 31 May 2023 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Oppose. This game is definitely the primary topic when compared to the 1986 game. DFlhb (talk) 18:14, 31 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]