User talk:Antandrus/Archive41

Archive 41: March 2021 through May 2022, more or less. Please do not edit this page -- use my regular talk page instead, as I will not see your message here. Editors of talk page archives are either robots or psychotic stalkers. Or both, as in the case of the one who will do this next.

Today: Carmen for TFA (on my request), with Bizet's music "expressing the emotions and suffering of his characters" as Brian worded it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:33, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, thank you Gerda!

I went to a (localish) production of Carmen a few years ago -- the singing was good, the orchestra was acceptable, and the acting was -- interesting. This particular Carmen liked to kick over the furniture. She let us know she was upset by kicking chairs, tables, or whatever the unfortunate stage-hands had neglected to bolt down. Her death was convincing, and I think much of the audience was relieved. -- I saw her later at the restaurant where I took my date, and she was quite alive, and fortunately she did not kick the furniture there. (I saw an exceptional Carmen in Los Angeles a few years earlier; that one did little kicking.)

I do hope we can see opera performances again soon. I miss them, well-acted or not. Antandrus (talk) 17:42, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Me too, my last before lockdown was an exceptional - Carmen. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:48, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Those recent productions in Frankfurt look wonderful! -- Los Angeles also did an exceptional Salome a few years ago, and I saw a moving, intense production of

Lady Macbeth of Mtsensk in San Francisco before that. Back in the day when they could afford it -- 2009 to 2011, I think? -- Los Angeles did a complete Ring Cycle staged by Achim Freyer. I loved it, but its modernist-minimalist-anti-post-deconstructionist-destructionist aesthetic was not for all tastes, alas. Waiting at the valet parking I got an earful. Well it is hard to find genuine Valkyries these days; why not let them ride dirt bikes with blinking lights? Antandrus (talk) 18:02, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply

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Small world, I wanted to expand Freyer's article for his birthday, but didn't get far. He gave Wiesbaden an interesting

Jephta, in 2018. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:26, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply

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today (IWD): MMMM with a reference to Carmen again - more small world: Nicola Jürgensen, another one in the Stockhausen line (will get there) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:33, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

... and today Bach's cantata composed for today, - perhaps listen. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:38, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Most excellent, Gerda. I am listening to the J.E. Gardiner recording right now. A delight -- and there is something extra special about this springtime, right? Coming out of a pandemic towards something maybe a little better? -- by the way, when I see that "you have new messages" in the morning, it feels so good to see it is you, and not -- that other thing. Carry on; love your work. Antandrus (talk) 15:59, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, feel understood. DYK that the article was a by-product of my hope to have the real thing, the cantata, for TFA today? Didn't work for two reasons, firstly, we had a user question the very source on which the article was built (before I even joined), as unreliable? So we split the recordings to this separate thing. Then he questioned the lead image position ... - Secondly, today we see the Venice library for TFA, on an important anniversary. So, perhaps next year. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:50, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

music blossoming and Yoninah's obituary with the beginning of Passover - I quoted you on the RexxS talk, btw. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:45, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Gerda! - I just now got back from the mountains; a bit dry and sunburnt. Pretty day in California. There is still snow above about 2000 meters. Nature continues doing its thing, as it always has, and I never tire of it. In the high places the flowers are yet to bloom. I don't mind waiting. Antandrus (talk) 22:33, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Pretty day here as well. Reminds me that I wanted to upload more flower images. Need sleep first. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:36, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Gerda Arendt: Good night! NASCARfan0548 ↗ 22:50, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

On Talk:Kayleigh McEnany I had written up a response for the IP. I'm hoping that there's some chance I can get them to understand how things work. It's probably not going to work, but I feel a need to try from time to time. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:23, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi -- sure, go ahead. I was just looking at the history of that IP to see if they'd been around before. Always worth a try. I just noticed the double post when patrolling. Antandrus (talk) 18:24, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a ton. Have a great day! ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:28, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

	The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
	Impressed by you. My first article was Cachi Cachi music. Have a great 2021! The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 15:49, 7 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! -- appreciate that. :) Antandrus (talk) 02:46, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Antandrus,

I just wanted to let you know that I have had a link to User:Antandrus/observations on Wikipedia behavior on my user page for quite some time. Seeing it mentioned elsewhere today motivated me to read it again, which was a very worthwhile way to spend a few minutes. I just want to commend you for writing an essay that stands the test of time. Your words have helped guide my actions as an administrator for almost four years. Thanks for writing it. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:48, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I read it today in its entirety and added it to my userpage. It's an important reminder to all of us! --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 02:54, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(ec) It always makes me happy when someone tells me that thing has done them some good -- it really does -- once in a while I go back and look at it wondering if I should revise it, but things haven't changed as much as I thought they would. Thank you for the compliment!

Somehow we just have to keep building this encyclopedia and making it better, and just let the crap wash off of us. When people visit to learn something, they see the articles, and all else is invisible, all of the trolls and fights and ArbCom cases -- as it should be. What is worthy remains. All the best -- Antandrus (talk) 02:56, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Could you RevDel

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Done. Ugh, that guy. Antandrus (talk) 22:27, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

talk) 18:29, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply

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Done; I've watchlisted your page now and will obliterate any others as they occur. Antandrus (talk) 19:53, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Stockhausenfan (talk) 00:03, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, apologies for the random message. I noticed that you blocked IP 150.129.142.119 (talk · contribs · WHOIS). You might want to block IP 95.12.114.188 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) as well, who just reverted your edit on Talk:Zen. --Ashleyyoursmile! 03:28, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

And also, IP 180.252.54.118 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) Ashleyyoursmile! 03:30, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you -- will do. Antandrus (talk) 03:33, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

News and updates for administrators from the past month (March 2021).

Administrator changes

Alexandria • Happyme22 • RexxS

Guideline and policy news

• Following a
  subcriterion a
  has been deprecated; it covered immediate deletion of non-free media with invalid fair-use tags.
• Following a request for comment, page movers were granted the delete-redirect userright, which allows moving a page over a single-revision redirect, regardless of that redirect's target.

Technical news

• When you move a page that many editors have on their watchlist the history can be split and it might also not be possible to move it again for a while. This is because of a job queue problem. (T278350)
• Code to support some very old web browsers is being removed. This could cause issues in those browsers. (T277803)

Arbitration

• A
  discretionary sanctions procedure
  is open until April 25.

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It's so.... clean???? Also, for your love of Rennaisance music... [1], though maybe he's too early for you :) Aza24 (talk) 22:40, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

OMG that's gorgeous. Ah Gilles. No not too early :) (Did I write his article? I wrote Dufay, long long ago.) Glad I didn't live then, but the music is stunning. And there are so many first-rate ensembles performing this stuff now, and lots of approaches. What do you think of Graindelavoix, -- just curious? Have you heard them? Antandrus (talk) 23:11, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I couldn't agree with you more on the "not wanting to live then" sentiment—I'm reading Music in the Medieval West right now (which is far more enjoyable the medieval music books by Yudkin or Reese...) and the author begins every chapter with a run down of how awful each time period was to live in...! I know Graindelavoix only from their controversial recording of Messe de Notre Dame; both because it has a wonderfully new approach, and because I love the idea of performances of medieval music being "controversial". Aza24 (talk) 03:44, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

... for the thanks. We loved each other very much & I am lost without him - Alison ^❤ 03:45, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. You're welcome. I wish I had something better than words. Sometimes language itself is insufficient, for the biggest things. Well nothing suffices. Emerson said that grief was "irreducible" and I think he's right. Peace and much warmth. Antandrus (talk) 03:48, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

wild garlic

Happy Easter! You two may be interested in the TFA on Easter Sunday that played a role in my life! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:26, 4 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Gerda. You're such a beautiful person -- I appreciate all you do here. Content work, and the encouragement and support you give to others. Antandrus (talk) 15:24, 4 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(blushing ...) On this day in 1742,

He was despised was performed for the first time, and when I wrote it in 2012, I didn't only think of Jesus. Andreas Scholl sang that for us, - you are invited to a Baroque stroll. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:25, 13 April 2021 (UTC)[reply

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Today: an article about music significant in my life, Bach's motet Jesu, mein Freude, with a long way from the start in 2006 to the Main page today ;) - perhaps also for Kohlrabi pickle. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:51, 15 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That is such a lovely piece (nice article!) -- listening to the Netherlands Bach Society recording right now. One memory of it for me -- my interview/audition for graduate school. One of the committee put a score on the piano and asked me to sight read parts of it. "Now transpose it down a minor third." Antandrus (talk) 20:53, 15 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I guess I'd have failed. My test was easier. - Shortcut to my very personal connected memories, perhaps for Alison also? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:59, 15 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

more memories on the Main page today, Psalm 115 thinking of Yoninah, Christa Ludwig and Milva, - voices that made the Earth a better place. Sad that the psalm hook didn't appear on Earth Day as planned, but better pictured and late than going unnoticed ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:39, 26 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oh I loved Christa Ludwig's voice. That was sad news. Antandrus (talk) 14:19, 27 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Happy First Edit Day!

Hey, Antandrus. I'd like to wish you a wonderful First Edit Day on behalf of the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Have a great day! NASCARfan0548 ↗ 19:50, 4 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you!

Thanks for reverting all that gross stuff on my talk page and blocking the IP, I really appreciate it! Thattransgirl (talk) 02:41, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

	The Resilient Barnstar
	For your exceptionally brilliant editing throughout your career here. I believe you are one of the best contributors with a high level of competence here, leading me to give you the barnstar due to your work improving this encyclopedia. I wish you happy editing and a happy career. Regards, -- IamTheAstronomer Talk 19:34, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! I really appreciate that. All the best - Antandrus (talk) 19:47, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Unbelievably welcome, my pal. I wish you exceptionally good luck with all your future endeavours, and you might even want to request for adminship since you’ve been here since 2004. I know adminship doesn’t come first during user permission but if you are an admin, you’re all good :) --IamTheAstronomer Talk 20:07, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, thank you! Appreciate that. My adminship is now old enough to drive in the United States, in in five more years will be old enough to drink. :) Antandrus (talk) 20:03, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Antandrus, I don't think we've interacted before, but I wanted to thank you for writing your observations on Wikipedia behavior and thoughts. I read them for the first time today, after a very demoralising interaction, and they made me feel understood, like I was sitting in the shade of a mentor or elder. Thank you, it's meant more than I can say. Kohlrabi Pickle (talk) 03:55, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, that's a really nice compliment! - hey, thank you. I am always happy to hear when someone appreciates those. :) Antandrus (talk) 04:02, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm glad I said it! Thanks so much again, and I hope we do cross paths sometime. :) Kohlrabi Pickle (talk) 04:58, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Impact

Impact

Thank you for your impact
in wording behaviour on the project with insight and humor!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:08, 15 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, Gerda. Really appreciate that. I get up from the computer and come back and there's something nice. :) Antandrus (talk) 21:41, 15 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You deserve that!! I remember the feeling when I received it, in 2012, check out the archive. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:45, 15 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You should just permanently semi all of your archives; there's no reason why anyone should ever need to edit them other that you. Unless you're using them as honeypots...Just a thought!-- Jezebel's Ponyo^{bons mots} 22:49, 21 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(that's exactly the word I was using to explain to people... :) ) Antandrus (talk) 22:50, 21 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your help by the way. Greatly appreciated. I'm running for admin on Wikivoyage and he's upped the abuse a couple notches. Antandrus (talk) 22:51, 21 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Happy to dig in when I'm around. -- Jezebel's Ponyo^{bons mots} 22:55, 21 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I've been patrolling random IP edits and noticed this IP 76.116.138.69 modified your archives. This seems to be an ongoing issue, so I just wanted to let you know! MerelyPumpkin (talk) 23:11, 21 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, @MerelyPumpkin:, thank you! - see the thread immediately above. (When I look at his rants, I always read them in the voice of Big Bird. He's like a Sesame Street character on PCP.) Antandrus (talk) 23:22, 21 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ha! Now whenever I read any abuse from vandals, all I'm going to hear is Big Bird on PCP. MerelyPumpkin (talk) 01:04, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It's the little things that help us deal with trolls (especially the OMG I'm really angry kind). :) Antandrus (talk) 01:05, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

--Ferien (talk) 06:30, 27 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! - replied. Antandrus (talk) 14:19, 27 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Precious

Nine years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:13, 28 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for cleaning up my talk. Can you also revert that shock's edit's, unless they brought back the former state which is hard to tell. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:20, 29 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sure thing, will look. They were reverting your edits and re-adding the same edits as though they were the author. I have seen that behavior before. Let me know if you need any more revdels. Greetings from sunny California where it is today entirely too beautiful to stay inside. :) Antandrus (talk) 19:27, 29 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Some people seem to have too much time ... - thank you. Enjoy outside, - night here. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:28, 29 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there, congrats for being an admin on WV now. Just asking if you could protect my talk archives and my userpage due to GRP. Additionally, could you protect my talk page on enwiki (here) for 3 weeks. My editing activities have reduced here so there's no need for IP users to edit here. SHB2000 (talk) 07:38, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! - let me know if I missed any or if you need any changes. Antandrus (talk) 15:55, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

And possibly my user page to extended confirmed please. GRP has a few AC accounts SHB2000 (talk) 04:22, 8 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Antandrus, just to inform you that I've temporarily protected your talk page at Wikidata for a month for obvious reasons. If an extension or any other help is needed, don't hesitate to ping me. --Minorax (talk) 08:57, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you - appreciate it. Antandrus (talk) 15:55, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

News and updates for administrators from the past month (April 2021).

Administrator changes

Enchanter • Carlossuarez46

Interface administrator changes

Ragesoss

Guideline and policy news

• Following an RfC, consensus was found that third party appeals are allowed but discouraged.
• Consensus was found in a previous RfC
  for a community based desysop procedure, though the procedure proposed in the 2021 RfC did not gain consensus.

Technical news

• The user group oversight will be renamed to suppress. This is for technical reasons. You can comment at T112147 if you have objections.

Arbitration

• The
  discretionary sanctions procedure
  was closed, and an initial draft based on feedback from the now closed consultation is expected to be released in early June to early July for community review.

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Really feeling the loss of SlimVirgin today. That was huge. She has done so much for our project, over the years. Interesting how you can never meet a person in "real life" but yet get a sense of who they are, what they care about, what they are made of. She was magnificent. Articulate, passionate about her work. "... the best labourer dead / And all the sheaves to bind", said Yeats, and -- yes. Antandrus (talk) 22:53, 9 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

yes - I'm still speechless but you said much well, thank you. She changed her talk page image on March 19, and that should have told me something, because it had been the same for as long as I knew her which is many years. She left her user page like this. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:23, 9 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Very well put. Even in my short time here I was honestly a little dumbstruck when I came across SV—the dedication is beyond admirable. A serious inspiration to us all to focus on the big articles and tackle subjects even (and especially) when they're difficult. It is amazing how much impact a single individual can have. Aza24 (talk) 01:02, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

See my talk today, - it's rare that a person is pictured when a dream comes true, and that the picture is shown on the Main page on a meaningful day. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:34, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oh wow -- very fine! Is he any relation to Nikolaus Harnoncourt? I'm guessing not. Antandrus (talk) 14:35, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

brothers, see infobox and their 4-hand-piano playing and being altar boys mentioned in the article ;) - there are 2 more brothers, articles to come, also two sisters, will check for potential, - one wrote the exquisite background info for the chapel. I wish I had material on the "wild Laya", mother of the bunch who was very old when I met her (at a wedding and a funeral) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:57, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

... too lazy/tired for a new thread: we have problems with Chanson, and your name and Jerome's show up in the history, - help?? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:46, 19 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ooooh boy. I remember taking that off my watchlist years and years ago, because -- ack. Don't even remember, but had something to do with stress and uncollegial editors. Back in the early days (2004-2005, when I was writing, writing, and this was a place of great and almost impossible freedom) I had plans to write the entire article. I may have had a userspace draft at one point (?). Let me have a look. :) Antandrus (talk) 22:58, 19 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Antandrus, can you take a look at Rudolf Arthur Pfeiffer? The George Reeves Person is active there via different IPs. --Dandelo (talk) 21:32, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You are correct. Looking at it now. Antandrus (talk) 21:50, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello User:Antandrus, when you get a moment, could you take a look at my talk page's history? I've just had what seems to be the GRP person damage my talk page and leave an unhinged message as an edit summary, and I'm not sure where exactly to go from here (maybe I should request talk page protection?). Thanks! Dndlp (talk) 02:20, 14 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings @

WP:RFPP as necessary. Thanks for your help with this too. Antandrus (talk) 02:51, 14 May 2021 (UTC)[reply

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Thanks very much for your help! I'll be sure to keep you updated or put it on the appropriate noticeboard if something else happens. I appreciate your attention to this! Dndlp (talk) 15:51, 14 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

As a public health worker, I attempted to bring peer reviewed science to Wikipedia, with no "original research", just citations of objective sources. Several editors insisted on removing it, replacing it with unreliable sources whose editorial writing was motivated by political ideology, not science. Those editors misrepresented their sources as "reliable". Even today, the DeSantis page contains false statements about the Florida management of the COVID pandemic.

Eventually, I gave up (as, I noticed from the edit history, several others before me have).

I asked the Wikimedia foundation to return the $400 in contributions that I made in the previous two years. Of course, I will never again donate to Wikimedia, because it allows politically motivated editors to perpetrate false content, and lacks a mechanism to correct this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.171.14.30 (talk • contribs)

Yes, I recognize that you are attempting to use peer-reviewed sources, but it appears what you are doing is to cherry-pick bits from them to construct a narrative which is not, itself, found in any of the sources. That's the

WP:SYNTH part I referred to on your talk page. This stuff can all seem very obtuse and intimidating to a new Wikipedian, I know, but it's essential that we only paraphrase what the sources contain -- and the more controversial the matter, the more rigorous we need to be. If you reflect on it, you'll see that is the only possible way that thousands of strangers from all over the political spectrum could build a neutral-point-of-view encyclopedia. Antandrus (talk) 15:57, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply

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People outside of WP are appreciating your work

https://community.fandom.com/f/p/4400000000003158023/r/4400000000010330211

Wow! --Firestar464 (talk) 10:35, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks!! :) Antandrus (talk) 14:23, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Anti Steriev (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
• Anti Ljupco (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Meters (talk) 19:38, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks - done. Antandrus (talk) 20:19, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

And now 160.154.155.76 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) He sure doesn't like you. Meters (talk) 01:51, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lol. I am crushed, crushed. Maybe I can send him a box of chocolates or something. Antandrus (talk) 01:52, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Now 156.217.63.139 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), who vandalised this talk page then got reverted and blocked by SQL. dudhhr_@ 02:09, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, that "anybody can edit" thing. Sometimes you just have to laugh (seriously) -- the internet is full of these people. Antandrus (talk) 02:11, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

What happened on my TP? Someone really hates you.

		The Purple Barnstar
		Hope you're okay. Firestar464 (talk) 04:34, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Firestar464 (talk) 04:34, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Firestar! - Yes, I'm okay. I wish that other person were. He's mentally ill, and in a severe and disabling way -- he fixates on some of us, imagining us to be his enemies (we are not) or stalkers (we are not) or harming him (we are not).

Here is the link. It's best to just remove his stuff and revdel it. Sometimes I try to talk to him, but usually regret it. Thanks for the purple star. :) Antandrus (talk) 04:38, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply

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@Firestar464: I apologize - I should have mentioned that I applied temporary semi-protection to your talkpage. SQL^{Query me!} 05:50, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Firestar! - responded. Antandrus (talk) 14:42, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

	The Resilient Barnstar
	For constantly dealing with Ljupco's attacks for 16 years, and guiding other editors to not be attacked. Have a good day! And to Ljupco, I know your going to vandalise this barncompass, but WMF-banned means no-editing. Go away Ljupco. SHB2000 (talk) 12:00, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

In order to stop the daily deluge of hate mail from a deranged individual who has been harassing and stalking me for years, I have made a number of changes. These include the closing of some old gmail accounts I have used for Wikimedia communication, and changing some settings. If you need or want to contact me (I'm not antisocial! don't let it stop you) please use the 'Email this user' link in the sidebar rather than reply to any previous email address you may have for me. Thank you -- Antandrus (talk) 01:08, 4 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Antandrus, just curious, how do you track GRP's edits on the wiki? I say him link to stuff about "privacy violations" and now believe that I got an email from this guy a few months ago. And it it possible to take legal action and maybe a restraining order? aeschylus (talk) 15:59, 4 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, greetings! Reminds me, it's time to re-read the Oresteia. -- Yes, that was him. He sends hundreds of incoherent, rage-filled emails to Wikipedians (and others) attempting to recruit support for his fantasy crusade -- he thinks we are all a great conspiracy against him, and that we are harassing him, violating his privacy, and all that, while the reverse is true. (He uses his own name all the time, for what it's worth.) The Chicago police know who he is. I can say more privately, i.e. I don't want him to know how I find him. The short of it is -- the mental health services in Chicago are thin, and he's not getting the help he needs. I wish he would. Antandrus (talk) 17:12, 4 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

News and updates for administrators from the past month (May 2021).

Administrator changes

Ashleyyoursmile • Less Unless

Husond • MattWade • MJCdetroit • Carioca • Vague Rant • Kingboyk • Thunderboltz • Gwen Gale • AniMate • SlimVirgin (deceased)

Guideline and policy news

• Consensus was reached to deprecate Wikipedia:Editor assistance.
• Following a Request for Comment the Book namespace was deprecated.

Technical news

• Wikimedia previously used the IRC network Freenode. However, due to changes over who controlled the network with reports of a forceful takeover by several ex-staff members, the Wikimedia IRC Group Contacts decided to move to the new Libera Chat network. It has been reported that Wikimedia related channels on Freenode have been forcibly taken over if they pointed members to Libera. There is a migration guide and Wikimedia discussions about this.

Arbitration

• After a
  Reliable Sources Noticeboard
  to discuss disputed sources.

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Antandrus, thank you for the block on User:56Y77IOT. As you mentioned, they are a sockpuppet/LTA: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/16DaysUntilUnblock. Best, Laplorfill (talk) 02:58, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, thanks @Laplorfill: -- wasn't immediately obvious to me who it was. Makes sense now. It was clear from their edits that it was a sockpuppet of someone who had been previously banned. Antandrus (talk) 03:00, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, the 500th anniversary of Josquin's death is coming up this August. Later this month, or maybe during July, I'm considering updating and rewriting parts of his article so it could be featured on the main page. Not wanting to overstep your fantastic contributions to the article, I though I'd run this by you to get your thoughts and invite you to help out yourself, should you find the time or interest. Aza24 (talk) 02:22, 19 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ah yes, thanks -- I wrote the original, with a little help, but the text is mine. (I didn't nominate it for FA though -- that was Turangalila, but I don't think he's active any more.) I used a bunch of dead-tree sources, some of which I checked out from the University of California library (they should all be listed). I haven't kept up with what has changed in Josquin scholarship in the last 12 years, so there may be changes to be made in the biography. Antandrus (talk) 02:25, 19 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah I think the biography is the main contender for attention. Fallows 2009 seems to be the first (and only) major English biography, so I plan to dig in there. My other two ideas are to expand the influence section and split off the works list to a separate article. Your music sections are first-class and I doubt I'll touch them at all, though I may add a few citations for those stickler FA people who demand everything be cited...! Aza24 (talk) 06:14, 19 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Would you please consider revdelling the contribs of the IP you just blocked? Not to go into too much detail here but it's the talk pages of people starting Bish* and Pra*. I just don't think we need keep that stuff and I don't think it should stay as a testament to their contribs. I know YMMV so fine, and thanks either way. Cheers DBaK (talk) 17:38, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sure thing - done. I have no idea what they're on about, but obviously they don't belong here. Antandrus (talk) 18:16, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's great – thank you so much. Best wishes DBaK (talk) 22:41, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for improving articles in June, with some impressions of places, flowers and music for you. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:19, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

added: missing SlimVirgin, and RMF festival opening --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:00, 29 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oh. That was quick. I was just going to point out that second George Reeves IP, but while I was typing I got a notification that you'd got him already. Nice quick response.

ApLundell (talk) 04:28, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

July

Last year's flowers match the image on the user page nicely, see? - DYK that her last reply to me was in a thread Green for hope? - The DYK set in honour of Yoninah will appear tomorrow, including Psalm 85, with the kiss of justice and peace. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:13, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oh that's beautiful! -- I did not realize until today that foxglove is native to Europe. I took some pictures of those same flowers in Yosemite not long ago, and it never occurred to me they're non-native. (Also in a pine forest, mid- to high-elevation.)

Always appreciate when that "you have new messages" is from you :) Antandrus (talk) 20:21, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Have more then - Fourth of July, Brian's birthday, remembered in gratitude for his unfailing inspiration and support. - Today: remember the Chapel - the missed - the music. - Can I interest you in a user's first FAC, Carillon? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:25, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Music happens. On the Main page now: "my" school. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:31, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

More music: 2 songs, the morning song - about rising from being down, in more than one sense - is a GA, - there should be more given my initials, but I also want to care for articles of

psalms in memory of Yoninah, - more missing than there. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:30, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply

]

Did you know that Vivaldi composed cello sonatas? I didn't until I took the pic. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:22, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, excellent! I knew of them, but can not remember ever hearing them. By the way I have Eleanor Selfridge-Field's book that you cite (in English -- do you have a version in Italian?) She had an amazing and deep understanding of the interconnections of composers and styles at that time. Antandrus (talk) 21:39, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's great that you have the book, - add whatever you can. I knew nothing, told the cellist that it was lovely that the article was so short that it could easily be expanded to DYK, and he doubted that enough was known to expand ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:54, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

still more music, now adding a new song about a feast - a dear family member remembered today when she would have been 122 --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:08, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi Antandrus. Thanks for your help - when you have a second, please can you do the honours with page protection at Vladislao Cap. Thanks again. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 16:40, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ah yes. Normally he doesn't edit articles on football/soccer, so it's clear he's just stalking your edits. He does that. -- I've protected it. Antandrus (talk) 16:51, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks again. They are now doing the same at 1974 Asian Games. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 17:24, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ponyo got to the flyswatter first this time. Thanks - Antandrus (talk) 17:26, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

In light of this, you might want to consider protecting Democratic Kampuchea, too. Thank you for your help!TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 22:50, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! - let me know if you see any others. That

guy has nothing but time, and uses a different open proxy for every edit, so I miss some. Antandrus (talk) 00:52, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply

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Hello again, Antandrus. It looks like our "friend" has also popped up at Communist Party of Kampuchea (diff). Regards,TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 06:47, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ah yes, thanks. I'll protect it if he comes back. Antandrus (talk) 14:11, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like he's resorted to spamming this text (despite near-total irrelevance) at Hun Sen ([2]).TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 14:36, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yup. I've protected that one for a week. Let me know if you see more. Antandrus (talk) 14:41, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Just noting for the record that in addition to Cambodian genocide, our IP sockpuppeteer has reemerged at Khmer Rouge Tribunal and Cambodian genocide denial ([3], [4], [5], [6]).TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 06:06, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It's quite hard to keep track on him on such a big wiki like this, but his edits are easily caught on smaller medium sized wikis like simple. SHB2000 (talk) 11:17, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, and now the sock's target is Kang Kek Iew ([7], [8]).TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 09:13, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. I'll go through last night's activity and see what others I find. Antandrus (talk) 14:53, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

He was interested in Stalin yesterday, so there may be some activity over there too, but I haven't checked yet. SHB2000 (talk) 00:45, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, he cycles his interests. On Wikibooks he's banging on and on about his "invented" chess move (one any chess beginner invents without intending). I had to shake my head and walk away from simplewiki; I just did not understand what was going on there with the allegedly hacked account. Sometimes that project just seems like a bunch of kids playing cops and robbers, with a handful of adults yelling from nearby houses. Antandrus (talk) 01:03, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Any way that we can get some protection at Kang Kek Iew? The edit warring is escalating...TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 17:43, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ok. It's also on my watchlist now. He basically just hops proxies and edit wars until the article is protected, and then moves on to another. Let me know if you see others. Antandrus (talk) 18:26, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

With that "hacked" account, it was CU confirmed to vandalism only accounts and blocked indefinitely and which I reported to Stewards for x-wiki abuse. Looks like he tried to prevent User:Darubrub from getting the standard offer back here. SHB2000 (talk) 07:28, 7 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Tuol Sleng Genocide Museum ([9], [10], [11]). By the way, he's also apparently tried to login to my account at least a dozen times, making new attempts each time that I revert him, but so far without any success.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 06:28, 10 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

More sock shenanigans at Khmer Rouge: [12], [13], [14], [15], [16].TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 20:16, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, thanks. Somehow that one wasn't on my watchlist. Will protect it. Antandrus (talk) 20:42, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, and you may want to take a look at Killing Fields as well ([17], [18], [19]). Regards,TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 06:56, 28 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Khmer Rouge Tribunal is seeing new sock activity: [20], [21], [22], [23]. Thanks for your help!TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 04:27, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for providing semi-protection for Paul Morphy. The IP is up to the same tricks on Morphy number, could you protect it as well? Quale (talk) 05:57, 13 July 2021 (UTC) And also Adolf Anderssen. Quale (talk) 06:17, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your help. I appreciate the unglamorous but important work the admins do. Quale (talk) 21:55, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome -- appreciate it. Antandrus (talk) 22:41, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Johannes Zukertort‎‎ could also use semi-protection. Quale (talk) 04:36, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sigh.... add Chess tournament to that list. MaxBrowne2 (talk) 08:25, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Antandrus (talk) 14:42, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Antandrus, hope your doing well, being free of Ljupco for sometime. (he's been on a break from Wikivoyage but I still see him on Wikibooks).

I was just asking if I could have the rollback right so I could fight vandalism better. I've had rollback on 5 different WMF projects, which I gave up the tool on one of them when I chose to retire from the project. I've done more vandal fighting here than any of those, but yet my silly mistakes have somewhat prevented me from getting this tool. So may I ask you whether I can have this tool, and is there anything I can do to improve vandal and spambot fighting?

Enjoy your summer up there. Hope it's not too hot for you up there.

Cheers, SHB2000 (talk) 08:39, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Also a little off topic, but does Ljupco pretend to be in a chess team (with his imaginary team comprised of Tadeusz, Marko, Vesna, Ljupco, Michael, Jan, John, Goran and there's probably more that I missed). Is it common or is it just his attacks towards me with something different to every person who Ljupco hates? SHB2000 (talk) 09:27, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, greetings! No, I live on the coast where it is generally cool -- even in midsummer highs might only be 20C. Go inland just twenty minutes though and it will be 35-40.

Might be saying too much, but those "people" are his alternate identities, and they've stayed stable for years. I think he has some kind of multiple personality disorder, i.e. he actually believes them to be different people. There is no actual "chess team", just as he lives in a world rather far from reality -- a world in which we are harassing and libeling him, rather than the reverse. Almost every time he insults someone he gives away something disturbing about himself.

Sure, I'll give you rollback -- I just have to look for where it is. Hang on a sec. Antandrus (talk) 14:42, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks :) It's quite surprising how he still maintains that consistency. Most other vandals and harassers often pretend to be someone from a completely different background but Ljupco's consistency is quite unusual. I can also sort of remember me shivering on the coast of the city you live in summer two years back, but [the city you live in] does certainly remind me of the cool and warm weather. Apart from Sydney it's the place I've travelled most extensively :) SHB2000 (talk) 21:41, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

[24] Projects is at it again. Firestar464 (talk) 04:23, 27 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Done. I'm not even sure what he was on about there, but his version of reality exists nowhere but his own head. Antandrus (talk) 14:47, 27 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Could you rev del this edit? Thx. SHB2000 (talk) 13:40, 27 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Done. He'd been quiet for most of the day and I was wondering if he'd finally been arrested again. Can you imagine what he's like in real life? Antandrus (talk) 14:48, 27 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thx :) But I truly have been wondering, what life must be for him. It's sad that his mental illness caused him to inflict harm on others, but it seems like he hasn't learnt the lesson from jail (didn't he come out under the conditions that he will not do that?).

He also seems obsessed with trustpilot (wrote a harassment review about the three of us - you, myself and Ikan Kekek, which I reported and got taken down).

But I do have one question to ask you. How did it all start? Was it with just you one day doing vandal patrol and you just so happened to revert his edit? But in all honesty, this guy really needs help, or at least, someone needs to confiscate his electronics. SHB2000 (talk) 01:03, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I just started reverting his edits. Simple as that. Here is one of the earliest harassing edits (more than 15 years ago!! can you imagine??) He hates me most, as far as I can tell, because I'm the most persistent, and am pretty good at finding his rubbish. Doesn't bother me all that much, really -- but I wish he's get help! There are actually things they can do that would give him a better life. Antandrus (talk) 01:10, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Dang! Is there any particular way to spot him on other wikis? And 15 years ago... (now 16). But what I do find unusual, is if someone apart from you reverts his rubbish, he'd often let go of them after a month, but it isn't the case when I or Ikan Kekek revert his rubbish (possibly because he actually thinks I'm a sockpuppet of you) SHB2000 (talk) 03:35, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

These vandals have a tendency to focus on a small group of editors to harass. And often it's those editors who are best at spotting them, so for the vandal to think that this is somehow a personal vendetta seems to come naturally to them. It's very sad. Drmies (talk) 22:31, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it's no surprise why he targets us. SHB2000 (talk) 00:22, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Is Ljupco interested in the Beatles? He was vandalising on en.voy with Beatles youtube links all over music pages. Just asking whether he has a tendency to just vandalise in what he finds interesting? (which may also explain on voy:en:Talk:Armenia about the Armenian genocide) SHB2000 (talk) 12:07, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that's him -- I remember somewhere he claimed that he personally was responsible for their "reunion", but don't remember where. He moves from topic to topic, obsessing for days or weeks and then moving on to another. Antandrus (talk) 14:45, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting to know. Can you also rev del these diffs: [25] and [26]. Thanks SHB2000 (talk) 21:50, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

And can you delete this as well. SHB2000 (talk) 22:05, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Looks like he's stalking you now too. He's a living example of why our mental health care system is so lousy here in the US. Anywhere else he'd be in an institution getting some kind of help. Antandrus (talk) 22:23, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I think he's doing that because he actually believes we're sockpuppets of each other since we supported each other for Wikivoyage adminship. I also do agree that even mental health isn't really taken seriously in Australia unless you go up yourself. There's only one mental health hospital in a 30km radius from me as well... But I wish he could get help. SHB2000 (talk) 23:04, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Can you also rev del this edit as well SHB2000 (talk) 23:09, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with you on that subtlety -- he does actually believe most of what he says, no matter how deranged it may seem to us. I cannot claim to understand psychosis. A close friend of mine has a doctorate in clinical psychology and studies brain disorders, and when I showed him all the Ljupco stuff he just laughed -- you can't get through to him; delusions like that are resistant to reason. People like that create a protective alternate reality, in his case with multiple personalities, often to protect them from past traumas that are too terrible to face directly. Give it time and he'll get arrested again. -- Anyway, will delete this and any other revs. Antandrus (talk) 23:21, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know if it's just me, but I rather think he'd need counceling instead of just going to jail again, which would much more rather prevent him from reoffending when he comes out of County Cook again. But anyway, thanks for rev deling those diffs. SHB2000 (talk) 00:21, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks! SHB2000 (talk) 04:57, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Along with protection and revdeling those edits, can you also rev del this edit too? Sorry for the overload of requests SHB2000 (talk) 05:49, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wow. He was on a tear while I was asleep. I wonder if he yells and bangs on the walls. Antandrus (talk) 14:46, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I do wonder, what's his home environment like? But obviously someone needs to confiscate that VPN of his SHB2000 (talk) 22:09, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Grim. Can't say more in public. But yeah, I wish people like that could have internet access cut off completely, or made read-only somehow. Antandrus (talk) 22:37, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

August songs

Thank you for fighting vandalism here and inspiring thoughts about music there! My 12th today, DYK? I decorated, also for a birthday. Songs invite to more music, places, food and flowers. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:41, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome! That is beautiful. Reminds me I need to get outside, for it is a gorgeous summer day and the Great Smoke Cloud has retreated inland. Antandrus (talk) 15:44, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

And so I did! Today: 2 interesting DYK (I think), sadly 2 who died (on top of 2 from Poland yesterday), and a concert in which Daniel Barenboim just played piano, - and afterwards he and the orchestra received last year's prize (pictured). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:43, 7 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Today: 3 DYK, including that the author dedicated a summer story to a license plate number ;) - Five rows of images added, sunflowers and butterflies continued, four rows of 15 August alone, - a rich Monteverdi day, - enjoy! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:56, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Today: Giedrė Šlekytė --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:40, 21 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

... and today:

gave me a tree. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:37, 28 August 2021 (UTC)[reply

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Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Icewhiz

Hi there, just wanted to ask if you could also make some comments here. I believe in my opinion, it's about Wikinger, but they believe it to be a different user. If possible, could you leave your comments there? Thanks! SHB2000 (talk) 09:16, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, just look at last night's rants. I'm not sure I've ever seen so many (between about 0500 UTC and 1100 UTC). Maybe he thinks reverting and all-caps abuse is an Olympic event. Antandrus (talk) 15:23, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

ha. I think now he wants to target me since I have no admin power here, and edit wars go on for hours here. ;) SHB2000 (talk) 22:59, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I think you're right. He picks a target and fixates. Don't take it personally, of course; to him you are a hallucination, a phantom from a world we cannot even comprehend. He piles the sum of all human evil on the back of the one he targets. It's fascinating, comic, and deeply tragic all at once. I think I will use him as a character in a novel. :) Antandrus (talk) 23:11, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I sometimes just laugh at what he says (such as this one), but also feel like he needs help.

I am actually quite surprised that he knows more than one language though, considering he can't even speak english properly. (more hilariously (and tragically as well), claims everyone at simple needs to go to ESL learning) SHB2000 (talk) 23:19, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Remember that every insult he levels at others is something true of himself -- psychological projection -- I don't think I've ever seen a more obvious case. He accuses us of making sockpuppets, for example, -- as though we'd need those! He's from former Yugoslavia and his mother is Polish, hence the languages. I don't think his family, such as it is, has the resources to get help for him. Antandrus (talk) 23:29, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Remember that every insult he levels at others is something true of himself He has accused me of hosting child porn, does that mean....? Naleksuh (talk) 23:32, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I have to say, that is the single most disturbing thing about his insults -- that he returns again and again to that particular topic. So, if we build a psychological profile of a shut-in, profoundly immature 43-year-old, um ... Antandrus (talk) 23:36, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

... SHB2000 (talk) 09:46, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I wish they did. And it does explain the name "Ljupco" SHB2000 (talk) 00:48, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Just wanted to let you know that I reverted this edit that an IP user made to your talk page archive. ––𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲 talk 07:36, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ah yes thank you. That guy has been sending me hate mail and death threats since 2006. Antandrus (talk) 14:48, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hey! Its me Elytrian. Where do I request my talk page to be protected? I'm not able to find anything useful and Admin's Noticeboard seems to be for different things here on enwiki. Could you tell me where I could request help? -- Elytrian (talk) 05:30, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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WP:RPP. Naleksuh (talk) 05:36, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply

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(edit conflict)

@Elytrian: I went ahead and put a request in for you at Wikipedia:Requests_for_page_protection#User_talk:Elytrian. ––𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲 talk 05:37, 12 August 2021 (UTC) (talk page stalker)[reply]

@Elytrian: -- or just ask me to do it. If I'm not around one of my talk page stalkers may help, or else I'll see your request a few hours on. (Thank you El C :) ) Antandrus (talk) 14:58, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This one please (What's quite ironic about this one is that Australia is one of three countries where everything differs a lot from jurisdiction. (state/territory/province) SHB2000 (talk) 07:08, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting - I didn't know that. Oh, and Ljupco doesn't care, of course; he just stalks people's edits now and finds spurious reasons to revert them, with libelous edit summaries. He's still burning because he got banned on ED, his threads on "Wikipedia sucks" got moved to "garbage", and a bunch of his other hate sites have finally been taken down (I report them but it takes a while sometimes). Antandrus (talk) 14:56, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I often also report them, including his two reports to trustpilot dot org , and some others too. Oh, and I think there's now two more to that need to be rev deled. (same article) SHB2000 (talk) 15:17, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

How was it not a improvement, any ways for help? Tips? Abigblueworld (talk) 02:21, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Can you please make your case on the article talk page, so others can chime in?

I suggest starting with why you think the current version is incorrect. I think you added unnecessary words and a rather clunky colloquialism, but others can judge. Also please read

WP:BRD; if someone reverts your edit, go to the talk page, do not revert back; that's considered to be edit-warring. Thanks, Antandrus (talk) 02:26, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply

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It might be my overtalkative self doing it, as I am over talkative. And also, Am I better computer animation Wikipedia person or music? Abigblueworld (talk) 02:30, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

May I have that? IPs here are mostly Ljupco, and my meta talk page is open to all. (I don't think he's smart enough to go through a bunch of what he'd call "nonsense"). I'm not even active here, so... SHB2000 (talk) 13:44, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ok -- seems like if you aren't very active here there isn't a compelling reason for IPs to edit it. Let me know any time you'd like it lifted. Antandrus (talk) 14:56, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

thanks :) SHB2000 (talk) 23:39, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You know, I was all excited about working the Guido of Arezzo article until I finished the biography and realized I have to actually write and read about medieval music theory! Ugh. Anyways, here primarily because I thought you'd enjoy this line from the "context and sources" section:

"The scholarly outline of Guido's life has been subject to much mythologization and misunderstandings.[6] These dubious claims include that he spent much of life in France (recorded as early as Johannes Trithemius's 1494 De scriptoribus ecclesiasticis); that he trained in the Saint-Maur-des-Fossés near Paris;[6] and unsupported rumors that he was imprisoned because of plots from those hostile to his innovations.[2]"

and later

"Older commentators have proposed revisionist theories that he originated from England or Germany".

Ha! Who knew people were so willing to fictionalize a 10th century Italian monk! Aza24 (talk) 21:28, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ha ha ha! (...hoping I did not write that...) I'm envisioning a new Netflix series, Guido the Good, a medieval music superhero who defeated diabolical intervals with his powerful tone-cluster generating fist. Antandrus (talk) 21:47, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies, I've forgot to respond to this! Don't worry, I wrote it, if only to make the article more interesting on the crazy things that past scholars have proposed! A Netflix series sounds... oddly perfect. I mean, it's so weird to me that his fellow monks rejected the staff notation at first since they were... jealous?? Revolutionary innovations for practical needs, who would have known. Aza24 (talk) 19:30, 5 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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September songs

Omas gegen Rechts - enjoy strong women! I thought of Yoninah on the first day of Rosh Hashanah --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:34, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Rich Main page today: first TFA by promising author, pictured DYK by my friend LouisAlain who is discouraged by an AN discussion, and one of the Recent deaths. Enjoy! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:33, 9 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

... and today: the day of bold red and black, for Dante who died 700 years ago, and Peter Fleischmann who died recently, leaving us films full of vision. Dante: just heard Inferno, imagined by a woman, the main character both speaking and singing with an inner 4-part voice! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:22, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Dante listening to his infernal opera on earbuds

Most excellent! I did not know about this piece.

I also see that Dante is enjoying it in a technologically appropriate way. Antandrus (talk) 19:34, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The opera just premiered, - I didn't make it to the first performance but the second. Such a great idea to reduce the orchestra. The duet of Francesca da Rimini (mezzo) and Paolo (cello) was exquisite. Tickets booked for three more operas all new to me (but not so new to the world). - Talking "technological": please close new-line "br", or the editor is confused for the rest of the page. - Completely different question: what do you think of the SK discussion (which to "omit" I'm determined)? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:55, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I invite you to take part in the effort to improve In Freundschaft. Talk:In Freundschaft/GA1 has at the end a list of references not yet used, and others searched for. Help? - The Main page has an orchestra pictured today, did you see? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:18, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

today: moar music, Beethoven, and my brother was in the orchestra, 10 July! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:03, 16 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

next chapter --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:35, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Today: a woman in red, two who died under "in memoriam" and LouisAlain missed - my first editnotice read: "Every editor is a human being" which is quoted from a comment by Geometry guy in a 2012 discussion on

WP:AN. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:05, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply

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Hey Antandrus, I don't really understand the proper protocol for this. An IP (often times different IPs) has been repetedly adding some trivial snippet on the Cai Lun article about how someone made a song about him for an episode of the Elinor Wonders Why tv series. The information is of course not needed and uncited. I've reverted plenty of times but they keep adding it; is this a reason for page protection, blocks or warnings or something? Aza24 (talk) 21:35, 8 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oh yes. That's a perpetual problem on Wikipedia -- people adding uncited trivia. It's as inevitable and unstoppable as spiderwebs appearing behind your chairs, or weeds in your garden. Best practice seems to be just removing it with descriptive edit summaries (as you do) and/or letting them know. Typically I don't protect a page until there are multiple disruptions per day, or the page is targeted by a banned user, or someone deliberately coming back to sneak their bit of trivia in. We're close to that. I put Cai Lin on my watchlist for now. Antandrus (talk) 22:11, 8 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

presumably this is him yet again [27] Meters (talk) 01:33, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Good catch, thanks - Antandrus (talk) 02:11, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wikinger seems to have acquired, or figured out, Projects' password for his throwaway accounts (there are hundreds of them), so any that were not globally blocked -- some many years old -- may come back, but controlled by Wikinger.

I'm very confused. So Wikinger discovered Ljupco's passwords I'm presuming? tbh that's quite interesting. SHB2000 (talk) 02:25, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. I'm guessing it was an easy password and he used the same one for each sockpuppet, of which there are probably over a thousand. I see a whole bunch of absolutely-certainly-Ljupco accounts from 2015 or before that Wikinger ran today. It's of course possible that Ljupco shared the password, but I don't think so, from the babble I have seen. The old ones aren't globally locked, for the most part, because he wasn't a cross-wiki problem then (at least as often as now). Examples here and here and I saw five or six I think. Antandrus (talk) 02:39, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oh my. I have a feeling Ljupco probably used one of the world's most used passwords (like qwerty, or something here), although I don't think Ljupco shared the passwords with Wikinger/Icewhiz (given that he blatantly says he hates them in his long winded rants)

On another note, does Ljupco edit other language projects apart from en, simple, pl and sl? Interested to know. (I do hope he doesn't come and edit fr though) SHB2000 (talk) 03:47, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yup -- fr sometimes, but sr, hr, ro, de, nl, es, ... (he claims to know a lot of languages, but how hard is it to Google-translate short phrases, change them to all caps, and add exclamation points? If only I'd been able to do that for my doctoral exams... ) Antandrus (talk) 03:58, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oh good because I hope he doesn't come to fr.voy nor frwiki given that that's where I'm active these days. But he doesn't go onto wikis in non-latin scripts, does he? I also do wonder if he'll claim he knows la. SHB2000 (talk) 06:45, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oh here's one more: simple:Special:Contributions/Jojowriter. Looks like they tried to blank your talk page but it was blocked by a filter. SHB2000 (talk) 11:09, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yup, good example. -- I went through a batch of the accounts I blocked around 2015 and before and almost all are globally locked now. Antandrus (talk) 18:11, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Typical example of Wikinger (Wikinger doesn't hate me as much as Ljupco)... SHB2000 (talk) 00:23, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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I don't really know whats going on at the article, but seems to be an oddly funny hatred against acknowledging the oboe's existence. Maybe it warrants some protection? Aza24 (talk) 22:18, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, that's probably a good idea. Around this time of year (especially) this and similar articles may show up on student assignment lists, so we get a lot of edits like this. Antandrus (talk) 22:21, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's funny, I didn't even consider that reason! (But it makes complete sense). Btw, if you didn't hear, Carlisle Floyd died a few days ago, in case you knew his work. Aza24 (talk) 22:29, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oh yes, I heard right away. Sad, but he did get a long life! It bugged me that it seemed to get no media attention, but -- so it goes. (At least none that I noticed.) Antandrus (talk) 23:14, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No, I think you're right that his death got little coverage, though the NYT obit was nice. Along the same lines, his Grove opera article points out this line which has stuck with me: "Perhaps more than any other composer, Floyd embodies a frequent paradox of American opera. Though barely mentioned in surveys of opera, of American music, or of 20th-century music, his works have been more frequently performed on American stages than those of any other living composer, except Menotti". An interesting, if depressing observation. Aza24 (talk) 23:34, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Whoa, interesting! (My first thought: Menotti is still alive? damn! -- but now I remember when he died. 110 would be an awesome age to write a new opera.) I wonder who has the honor now -- Philip Glass? Antandrus (talk) 00:29, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I think Corigliano is still churning out stuff. But honestly yeah, I think Glass could take any of his existing operas, pull a crab canon-like move to set it backwards and it would sound like a new opera. I don't know if that says more about Glass's music, or my opinion of him. :) Aza24 (talk) 00:43, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ha ha, I don't know, but that just made me burst out laughing. Antandrus (talk) 00:45, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

/Archive8 is archived twice. No. 1 is the same as no. 101. Sawol (talk) 14:43, 5 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks - I didn't notice that. Not sure what happened there. Antandrus (talk) 14:46, 5 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

October songs

I uploaded new pics (click on songs), including "our" concert (after exactly two years without) and a cow sunset --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:51, 5 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Nice! :) Yes, things are getting a little better here on the US west coast, finally -- we'll be going to the Los Angeles opera again. They're doing a Tannhäuser that I'm rather looking forward to as well as some other things. Antandrus (talk) 19:58, 5 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That sounds good! What do you think about this and below, or: is a red link better than a rough translation which is only partially referenced? (You may have seen it on WP:AN.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:16, 5 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wilfried Gruhn looks okay -- did you mean a redlink for Edwin Gordon? (Sorry, I don't look at the drama boards every day. That way madness lies.) Antandrus (talk) 20:24, 5 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Same. The author of Wilfried Gruhn was blocked indef, and I miss him, said so in September. Someone mentioned "cooling off" yesterday, and I almost exploded because I get hotter every day this lasts. Reasonable admins avoid looking. (I asked El C and Hammersoft.) A post-block "discussion" was shut down. Nutshell: the editor, LouisAlain (in better times), blessed Wikipedia with a mass production of translations from French (his mother tongue) and German, and is blamed of machine-translating and flawed referencing, as if a red link was better than a rough translation. I didn't watch (same attitude as you), and so didn't prevent escalation in attacks (on both sides). My friend left, and will rather certainly be too proud to appeal. I'm not an admin and never want to be one. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:22, 5 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ach, I'm sorry. That is sad. This is how we lose editors, or one of many ways.

Always prefer a rough translation over a redlink. I miss Wikipedia in the days when you didn't need a reference for absolutely every fact; when I was writing a lot of articles (before 2010 or so) you needed to cite things that were apt to be controversial, or were direct quotes -- mundane biographical details you could just write up in your own words, putting the book(s) you got them from in the references at the bottom.

"Assume good faith" should apply not only to newbies, trolls, and casual vandals, but to long-term editors, but this may be a heretical point of view. Antandrus (talk) 22:35, 5 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much, I feel understood, and that doesn't happen often. I am with your heresy ;) - Perhaps say a word on the AN where I asked for help with translating some articles, and the answer was (and I don't think it was meant in irony) that they have too few references to deserve translation. We took about de:Max Wallraf, for example. Yes, the German article is pretty awful, but is a red link better than a translation of at least some of it would be? (The blocking admin has promised to do it from scratch, as I just saw, which of course will be even better.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:53, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) It was kind of sad to see very long term editors also been indef blocked, such as Koavf (4th most active Wikipedian of all time) or CLCStudent (most active person in hitting the fly swatter). Interesting to see how all this works given on Wikivoyage we don't even care if someone block evades under a new identity (unless it's the infamous "Brendan" or "Telstra" vandal who for the most part, adds text from sources that have "All rights reserved" in it, or creates articles for random obscure villages in the middle of Australia) SHB2000 (talk) 11:11, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Today: #1700, written in collaboration by the blocked, Grimes2 and myself. I uploaded more images, mostly blue and green, for hope. I think we need to not only be sad but do something! Ideas? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:28, 8 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Today, mostly black&white, and standing upright as Psalm 15 says --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:09, 10 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

today: see yourself, read about a hymn praying to not be on earth in vain, about a comics artist whose characters have character (another collaboration of the "perennial gang", broken by one of us banned), and in memory of the last prima donna assoluta, Edita Gruberová. I had to go to two grave sites last week, one who died now, one who died 10 years ago, so standing upright and in black seems appropriate. More colours - but subdued - can be had on hikes, - updated. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:29, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

two more today, again one by the gang, and more colour! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:38, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Very fine, Gerda! - In the mountains today, tired now and a bit sunburnt, but all is well. :) Antandrus (talk) 22:48, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! Today: a scandal, and more fall colours - also not a cloud today. Including a short sermon. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:45, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Today: memories in friendship, to Jerome especially --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:31, 28 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I translated Jerome's article (bio) into German, and will do the same for his article (composition) as a start for a new year. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:10, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Significant day in many respects --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:11, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent -- and significant, as you say.

October ended for me with a first-rate performance of Tannhäuser by the Los Angeles Opera. Was so good to see a live opera again, and done so well! No Achim Freyer on this one, but neither was it a traditional staging. Antandrus (talk) 15:57, 1 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

108.172.11.169 (talk · contribs) Meters (talk) 04:52, 28 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Never mind. Wacked by Zzuuzz while I was typing. Meters (talk) 04:53, 28 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

And now 156.200.255.226 (talk · contribs) [28] I doubt it's a coincidence that someone was trying to login to my account at around the same time. Meters (talk) 21:22, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, he's been trying to guess my password every day for a while. I wondered if he was doing it to others as well. Antandrus (talk) 21:30, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Ha ha, I actually burst out laughing. Thanks! -- I tell ya, popularity has its downsides, but it definitely can be entertaining. Antandrus (talk) 14:47, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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November songs

In November, I can offer some reading, - three feast days in a row, reformation followed by All Saints' and All Souls. On All Saints, we sang in choir in a mass - a 2021 first - and rehearsed (with the other group) for the next such thing next Sunday. All Souls is the birthday of the subject of my first article who will play a major concert on 14 November. Today we "celebrate" the first DYK for which LouisAlain laid the base in a German sandbox, - needlessly complicated but working. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:47, 3 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

update on St. Martin's Day --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:13, 11 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oh you got to see an Il trovatore? Excellent! I love that opera. I saw the Los Angeles Opera's Tannhäuser weekend before last (see my note above under your October corner). It is so delightful going to live performances again. Antandrus (talk) 22:23, 11 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, and spectacular singing it was, and great orchestra playing with the new GMD, and how nice: only one new article to create, all others already covered! The missing one was my favourite. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:38, 11 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

... and another update on a friend's concert day, 3 DYK, Brahms depicted + sadly Aga Mikolaj (listen!). May the roads that we travel make us meet again! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:09, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Today we received the annual arbcom message, which made me think. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:15, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes -- The Trial is one of my very favorite books and I have read it countless times (in English; I've read some of Kafka's short stories in German; had to translate one for my German class in graduate school). So many layers to that marvelous book. As Orson Welles said, "he's guilty as hell." :) Antandrus (talk) 18:06, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanksgiving music --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:58, 25 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"juxtaposition of the sublime and the trivial" --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:26, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I may have found him - AssumeGoodWraith (talk | contribs) 06:57, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yup, that's him! I wonder if he yells while he types. Antandrus (talk) 14:58, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

How does someone do this same thing for 16 consecutive years? It seems (almost) impressive. - AssumeGoodWraith (talk | contribs) 04:56, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No kidding. He's disabled (severe mental disorder) and has nothing but time. We had a nice long break when he was in jail (2015-2018). As far as I know his mother takes care of him. Antandrus (talk) 15:33, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Is this what happens whenever he gets on? - AssumeGoodWraith (talk | contribs) 06:56, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's actually

Wikinger imitating him, but it's similar. At the risk of saying too much -- Wikinger is a troll and enjoys messing with us; GRP actually thinks he is doing something right and virtuous, but periodically explodes with rage at a world he can neither understand nor control. Antandrus (talk) 15:31, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply

]

This culture of very persistent and unique internet trolls goes deeper than I thought.

I'll probably just report it as "globally banned user" instead. - AssumeGoodWraith (talk | contribs) 04:35, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Can you protect Fanny Mendelssohn? She's been linked from a google doodle and the vandalism is just continuous. Aza24 (talk) 21:22, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Can you delete this dif as well...? ugh. Aza24 (talk) 21:33, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings! - done, both. Antandrus (talk) 02:37, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks :) Fanny gets a lot more attention now a days; I've found myself working on two other woman composers, Khosrovidukht and Sahakdukht, but alas, there is little to say. Aza24 (talk) 03:32, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fascinating! I don't know the music from that place and time at all. Would love to hear some of their music. Looking on YouTube right now. Antandrus (talk) 03:55, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Let me know if you find anything interesting. Still a bit more work to do on Sahakdukht, but Khosrovidukht is mostly done. There is a recording of the latter's work on youtube, but all I could find for Sahakdukht was a poetry reading. Not convinced that a reconstruction of either piece could be accurate though anyways! Aza24 (talk) 04:11, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have any idea what kind of notation either of them used, and by what means any music survived? I always wonder about survival of music for many centuries before a notational system exists for oral-tradition (or sung-tradition) music to be passed down. What I'd give for a time machine. :) Antandrus (talk) 04:16, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm I have some guesses, but Armenian chant is a virtually untapped area of historical musicology. Khosrovidukht is a very isolated figure (with a very sad life!) and it is honestly bizarre that she just so happened to exist at the same time as Sahakdukht, so that there are two woman of Armenian literature in music in the 8th century, and no more until perhaps Sibil in the 19th. Sahakdukht is more interesting, in that her brother Stepanos Siunetsi [hy] was actually a pretty well-regarded composer. I know the works by Stepanos were influenced by the early kanons of Germanus I of Constantinople, so I would expect Sahakdukht's works are as well. As is the case with the near-contemporary of Germanus, Andrew of Crete (and most other Byzantine composers, presumably Germanus and by extension Stepanos and Sahakdukht), the earliest manuscripts of these works usually exist centuries after their dates of composition (the few fragments are listed at Byzantine music#Sources. I'm guessing the reason for this is as you say, the music was preserved through oral tradition (presumably the text was recorded) and only later written down. Considering that neither Khosrovidukht's or Sahakdukht's works entered the liturgy, it is a wonder that they survived at all. I haven't been able to track down whatever manuscripts they exist in; I'm not sure if this is because of how generally unorganized modern scholarship on Armenian chant is, or because I'm having so much trouble finding and translating the Armenian sources! Aza24 (talk) 07:00, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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December songs

Today: sharing symphonic music - happy listening! - I asked the arb cands if they'd listen, which is an art. - Listen to what de:Jerome Kohl wrote about Zeitmaße, premiered by Pierre Boulez. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:27, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Very fine! Beautiful picture too. I was on the road recently, and we had the same clouds and colors here. Antandrus (talk) 16:55, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Translating Zeitmaße from Jerome's English into the composer's tongue was one of the harder jobs here, and isn't complete. Next: same for In Freundschaft. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:00, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

today, an Italian opera, my second ever, as the TFA written by two dear people, and a park where I went with dear people, as pictured DYK --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:50, 14 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

on Beethoven's birthday --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:18, 16 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

today memories of singing Monteverdi, Handel, Rossini - a triple nod to Brian - and a Bach sing-along to come tonight, stay tuned --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:28, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

If you like Advent music, check this out. If you like Christmas music and wishes, watch my user talk until 27 December ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:48, 20 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

updated even richer --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:15, 25 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Merry Christmas, Gerda! Hope all is happy and beautiful there on your side of the world :) (Christmas this year for me is in the Arizona desert with family, and it's rather fine.) Antandrus (talk) 23:56, 25 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

December songs

thank you, and I lovely memories of Arizona deserts. DYK that there's Bright Angel? - Here's the last for Christmas, Herrscher des Himmels, erhöre das Lallen, BWV 248 III, shown on the Main page, and here. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:21, 27 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The latest GRP target that you may want to protect for a little while... Thanks! --Ferien (talk) 13:39, 11 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Ferien. Looks like Bbb23 just got to it. Antandrus (talk) 16:04, 11 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Can we also semi Scratch_(programming_language)? Naleksuh (talk) 05:14, 12 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Done. (By the way, I enjoy reading Ljupco's edit summaries in the voice of Big Bird.) Antandrus (talk) 05:18, 12 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I've never seen Sesame Street but I'll have to watch a clip. It must help. Naleksuh (talk) 05:21, 12 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! I wanted to bring this [29] and this [30] to your attention. You left a message on their talk page warning them about this, and just wanted to let you know. I reverted both of them, but I wasn't sure what else to do, so I figured I'd reach out. If i've done anything wrong in this regard, let me know. Thank you!! Spf121188 (talk) 18:27, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ah yes, thanks -- I wasn't watching that IP's talk page. Probably time for a minor escalation. Antandrus (talk) 19:53, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough! I wasn't sure what to do when I saw they'd repeated their prior edits, but noticed you were an admin. Thank you for responding! Cheers! Spf121188 (talk) 20:03, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Voceditenore! A beautiful and happy holiday season and new year to you as well. :) Antandrus (talk) 01:51, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Someone put pain series on that Encyclopedia Dramatica userpage (not) owned by you (and probably by Ljupco if I guessed correctly). I'd recommend not looking at it. Those people are weird, and I really regret reading stuff on it. – AssumeGoodWraith (talk | contribs) 13:45, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) I tried to clear Ljupco's fanpage of me (don't look at it, please) on that vile website and I was permablocked for being "a sock of Antandrus". It's probably best to ignore them. Nigos (talk | contribs) 15:26, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. The nicest thing I can say about that site is, ... oh wait. I can't think of anything nice. How about "hive of scum and villainy"?

And yes, all the accounts there named after us so far have been Ljupco, i.e.

GRP. I have never met such a psychopathic, obsessed troll in my life. Antandrus (talk) 23:58, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply

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@Nigos: Actually, according to the "molestation log", you were ræped with an expiration time of infinite. Source: They renamed the log.

They also claim to be a "satire site" and not an attack site. Interesting. – AssumeGoodWraith (talk | contribs) 04:53, 30 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It's quite sad, really. Apparently Ljupco has been doing this for 30 years, so he probably started when he was 14. 3 decades of stalking and harassing people across the internet, really? He even resorted to using a "safe space" (i.e. "encyclopædia" dramatica) because no other site would tolerate his shit. I snooped around and he's also harassed people on a chess site, a judge, and a lawyer. Nigos (talk | contribs) 08:52, 30 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

How useful do you think the

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Personally I think it's helpful, at least as a link so others who are encountering him for the first time can understand what is going on. I got tired of answering "what did you do? why does he hate you so much?" type questions -- and on other wikis it's been useful to point back to it by way of answer. From what I know about him he's not really motivated by attention-seeking. (Wikinger is, but not GRP.) He has a severe and disabling mental illness, and is fixated on us; he thinks he is involved in some kind of "war", and he thinks we are the ones harassing him. I do agree it's better just to revert, block, and revdel, but for a few years I've been trying to get through to him, but it's probably as remote a possibility as winning the lottery. I wish he'd get help, and I was looking for the way to nudge him in that direction. Antandrus (talk) 16:16, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

On reflection, I think you're right about the 'remarks against him'. Going to try just RBI for a while and see if that helps. While it feels good to punch back against a persistent bully, it's not really necessary. Our mission is to create an encyclopedia, and minimize disruption during its creation, so ... let's see how that goes. Antandrus (talk) 18:02, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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January songs

in friendship

Happy new year, in friendship! - Epiphany seems like a good day to say so, after a Bavarian peasants' mass (sorry, on the train home, no recent pics of that - just keep watching), and two DYK, even with a pic I took. I enjoyed meetings with friends in real life, and wish you many of those. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:43, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

especially for you: today's music in memory --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:39, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

2022 began happily with vacation. I uploaded images but stopped at 22 January - click on songs. 30 January means 10 years of Precious. It's also the birthday of a friend, - I'm so happy I mentioned his DYK on his 90th birthday when he was still alive. I have a great singer on DYK whom I heard, Elena Guseva, and wait for a Recent death appearance of Georg Christoph Biller whom I saw in action. After a round of updates, I should take care of Heinz Werner Zimmermann, begun by Jerome in 2006, imagine. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:02, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

update: we have now Guseva pictured, Biller pictured better (but still not on the Main page), and one more day of my pics --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:10, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello again! I wanted to bring these diffs [31] [32] to your attention. You blocked this IP for a period before, but it looks like they are still vandalizing. Just wanted to let you know. Thanks! Spf121188 (talk) 20:43, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If it matters, I opened an SPI [33] since the IP and another account (already blocked) look to be related, since they vandalized the IP's talk page. Hopefully I did the right think there, they're at the least looking to be working in concert. Let me know if I did anything wrong there, sorry to clutter your talk page. Thanks! Spf121188 (talk) 21:09, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No worries - thanks for letting me know. I don't understand that person's fixation on "Roman" as being somehow pejorative (it's not). Svomil is a sockpuppet of

WP:LTA/Wikinger, but there's no way anyone would know that unless they're familiar with Wikinger's habit of showing up at recent disruption and pretending to be a sockpuppet of whoever is disrupting. 47.215 has a mixed editing history - some good edits and then a bunch that are blockably disruptive. Antandrus (talk) 21:31, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply

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Fair enough! I'll keep an eye on the IP to see if they continue to disrupt... I'm in agreeance, "Roman" being a part of "Roman Catholic" is in no way pejorative.. it's nonsense. I appreciate your response and your help! Spf121188 (talk) 21:35, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

February songs

frozen

Today is a feast day for which Bach wrote several cantatas including Mit Fried und Freud ich fahr dahin, BWV 125, which was on DYK 10 years ago and TFA 4 years ago. I'm less happy that Georg Christoph Biller had to wait days for a Main page appearance under recent deaths, and then stayed not even for a full day. It would have been so meaningful today, with the man in the cantata saying he can depart in joy and peace. - The February pic was taken in memory last year. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:43, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I like my talk today (even explaining how it works), and managed to picture two more vacation days --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:32, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Today, I decorated my talk with a Bach cantata. I heard it last year when missing RexxS began, and "not letting go" was a theme. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:19, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

my joy - more on my talk --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:42, 7 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Valentine's Day edition, with spring flowers and plenty of music --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:45, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

22 02 2022: music for you, today the German Main page has de:In Freundschaft, and you know the long story behind it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:26, 22 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

from Ukraine

to St. Martin, Idstein

Ukraine on my talk, choir singing in "our" church in 2009. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:32, 24 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

stand and sing --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:12, 25 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

same with stress on Prayer for Ukraine, with a history from 1995 to 2022, - the article a work in progress, help wanted - translation of some of it would also help --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:21, 27 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The pic I took in 2009 is on the German MP today, with this song from 1885, and I updated my personal pics to 3 March, when a symphony concert was dedicated to the victims of the 2022 invasion. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:29, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

March songs

March songs

Listening to the charity concert mentioned here. I created the articles of the composer and the soprano. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:16, 10 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Really appreciate the work you do here, Gerda - thank you :) Antandrus (talk) 21:06, 10 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hymnen next, help welcome. Did I tell you that a friend of mine participated in the Yale event, and was pleased to see that Jerome mentioned it? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:24, 10 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Now, you can also listen on YouTube, and more music, the piece by Anna Korsun begins after about one hour, and the voices call "Freiheit!" (freedom, instead of "Freude", joy). Music every day, pictured in songs. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:25, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

St. Patrick's Day, more music and today's sunset --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:39, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

on Bach's birthday: the places where I sang his Dona nobis pacem --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:23, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The Prayer on the Main page, finally + new flowers, and btw: the TFA is a young writer's first --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:51, 23 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Bach's No. 1 today --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:48, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sunday flowers and sounds, don't miss the extraordinary marriage of the beginnings of the theme of Wie schön leuchtet der Morgenstern, BWV 1, and Prayer for Ukraine - here! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:40, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

exquisite voice today --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:53, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Hallo Antandrus, eben sah ich deinen Schnelllöschantrag auf :de. Deiner de-Seite habe ich entnommen, dass du Administrator bist. Könntest du bitte, wenn du dir die Zeit nehmen möchtest, m:Talk:Wikiproject:Antispam#Fake literature ansehen? Der Fall ist dort nur für :fr bearbeitet. Mir geht es nicht nur um die Sperrung von user:Vitruv2008, sondern auch um die Löschung des Artikels Alfred Werner Maurer (de:Wikipedia:Löschkandidaten/22. Dezember 2021#Alfred Werner Maurer (gelöscht), der ebenfalls auf Fake literature basiert und Relevanz geschickt vortäuscht. Die beiden anderen genannten Accounts haben keine Beiträge in en. Leider bin ich mit den Verfahren in :en nicht vertraut, weswegen ich mich an dich wende. Ausführliche Informationen findest du unter de:Wikipedia:Administratoren/Anfragen/Archiv/2022/Februar#Jahrelanges Spammen von „Fake-Literatur“ und meine Recherchen unter de:Benutzer:A. Leiwand/Literatur. Einen anderen auch deutschsprachigen Administrator aufmerksam zu machen, ist natürlich auch willkommen. Vielen Dank und freundliche Grüße. --A. Leiwand (talk) 04:53, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the warning. I shall take that section off my talk page. Be assured that I see no reason to communicate with other editors on here except via talk pages, whether those of editors or those on articles. Thanks again. Britmax (talk) 12:15, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hey! I saw you recently blocked a GRP IP. I just read the page on them and while it doesn't really describe their behavior. Home Alone 3 doesn't really seem like something they would target but, they're an LTA so you never know. I'll make sure to watch the related things they target for a few days just to make sure everything is alright (especially with me already having an issue with someone finding out who I really am off of Wikipedia). ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 02:00, 1 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hey there Blaze Wolf - you're right, he usually doesn't target that kind of thing, at all. However he gives away what he is doing with his first edit: he's stalking User:DawgDeputy. Ljupco (GRP) is a habitual stalker, and once he puts someone on his long "enemies" list he often follows them around and reverses their edits, wherever he finds them, typically with head-shakingly-stupid reasons. I should probably add something like that to his LTA page. (In the next few days watch for one-off IPs reversing your edits for no apparent reason.) Antandrus (talk) 02:16, 1 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I will do that. I probably won't even know it's them because IPs revert my edits when they actually notice I reverted their edits and so I end up having to revert them again, and again, and eventually I report them to AIV. Hopefully I won't have to protect my talk page. Also I'm a bit confused by the status of DawgDeputy. They're a sockpuppeteer, and yet they've only been temp blocked. I thought if someone abused sockpuppets they were indef blocked? ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 02:22, 1 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wasn't that many years ago though? Today's block was a misclick-accident. I wish there was a way to undo the block log entry by the admin who made the misclick. (I've done it to myself twice. Like a hundred years ago. Oops.) If you spot GRP again just me know, or include a link in your AIV report. Antandrus (talk) 02:32, 1 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes I know today was a misclick accident. However I'm fairly sure sockpupeteers are indef blocked, however they've been blocked in the past for sockpuppetry but it's never been indefinite. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 02:34, 1 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, I don't know the story there. I think over the years we've become more strict on indeffing sockpuppetters. I mainly know DD from Wikiquote where he does good work. Antandrus (talk) 02:52, 1 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ah alright soudns good. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 03:10, 1 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

103.200.32.18 I wonder if this IP is them. They recently blanked an IPs talk page that I had edited back in November and then partially reverted their edit. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 15:47, 1 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Correction, back in February of this year. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 15:49, 1 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, good morning -- no, that's not him -- pretty sure it's an LTA though. I've seen that style. Maybe one of my talk page stalkers knows? GRP rarely uses the same IP for more than a few edits, and never over multiple days, unless the IP geolocates to Chicago. Antandrus (talk) 16:16, 1 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Alright sounds good. It's a bit hard to identify them when all I know is they stalk other users who they've interacted with. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:17, 1 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This shows his style pretty well -- obsessive and pointless reverts, absurd accusations of 'vandalism' on anything that is not vandalism, staying up literally all night to revert and revert and end up gaining absolutely nothing but a protected article -- and occasional deranged edit summaries, often in all caps. And the only reason he was on that page at all was because I'd added a quote from Gandhi and he wanted to "get back" at me by removing it. I'd laugh but he's a sad creature and I just wish he'd get help. Every IP on there for the last 24 hours is him. Antandrus (talk) 16:28, 1 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe someone should show him Uncyclopedia where I'm fairly sure vandalism is fine (although I could be wrong since i've never edited there). ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:30, 1 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

SOme of his edit summaries remind me of another LTA, Nate Speed (who has also targeted me before, but has mainly just left a crap ton of personal attacks on my talk page). ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:33, 1 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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--Ferien (talk) 17:08, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Responded. :) Antandrus (talk) 17:24, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Antandrus: I see that you are the main contributor of Josquin des Prez. It is currently at FAR; are you aware of this? Wretchskull (talk) 21:45, 7 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(watching:) see above, 4 Jan --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:58, 7 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I am the author. I find the whole scene to be rather upsetting, honestly. I'd probably say something I'll regret. OR and "synth" my ass. But thanks. Antandrus (talk) 22:22, 7 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It has nothing to with your work, its just that even since the FA promotion the scholarship on Josquin's life has already increased massively. The music sections are, and remain very solid. Aza24 (talk) 02:00, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Sorry, maybe my response was over-hasty and a little snippy. I was proud of that article, back in 2007.

Unfortunately I no longer have most of the books I used to write the article (e.g. Sherr, The Josquin Companion) - I didn't make anything up, really. Most of the books I checked out from my local research library (UCSB, at the time). And I can't talk to Alejandro Planchart any more, because he died a few years ago. Antandrus (talk) 02:06, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I don't doubt any of that, and as usual I have no doubts over the effort or quality you put into your WP work. Yet alas Fallows has revised the biography so much—only two years after the promotion! I suspect that when the current biography is viewed with the lens of newer research, it may seem like OR, when in reality it is simply a product of its time. Aza24 (talk) 02:20, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I learned something interesting about Josquin today, and I wonder your thoughts on it (though there is a good chance you might be familiar with some, or all of the following). Apparently, the famous "Ave Maria ... Virgo serena" has gone through some serious controversy with dating. Lowinsky first dated the work to late in Josquin's life, and many musicologists seemed to posit it as a his late-life masterpiece (like the idea of Beethoven 9, Tchaik 6 etc.), and a culmination of his previous works. One of the papers on this subject quoted Schoenberg explaining the distinction between a genius and someone who is talented (a problematic narrowing down to two possibilities already, but alas). Schoenberg essentially said a genius is someone who is born and consistently skillful, where as someone of talent has to develop it over time. So thus, scholars were saying that Lowinsky's dating meant Josquin grew into a master by growing his talent. After numerous other datings, Rifkin's ridiculously long article on the dating of the piece firmly established the work as fairly early (c. 1485). So now the hypothesis of the talented Josquin building up to his masterpiece has to be thrown out of the window.

Now you would think that scholars might use this as a chance to reexamine the sometimes godly status given Josquin (I love him, but I often wonder if it has gotten a bit much). And with all of this recent discover of misattributions and the apparent debate over his actual influence, there might even be reason to outside of this dating issue. But instead Rifkin compensates by contending the Josquin is simply a "genius" to begin with (the second of Schoenberg's options) so that explains why the work was written so early. I mean the whole thing strikes me weirdly, and the constant comparisons I see between Josquin and Beethoven feel like scholars are just begging me to worship him. I mean, I do genuinely love his music, but Beethoven? Come on now.... I mean, to begin with, surely Palestrina was way more influential than Josquin? Hmm—if you have a second though, maybe this is something you might have some thoughts on. Aza24 (talk) 22:50, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You know, I always thought that was a late piece, but it certainly does not have to be. So many composers went through a "late period" that involved simplification, clarity, stripping away the non-essential. (Maybe when composers get old their hands shake and it's hard to write down as many notes? Don't quote me. Anyway kidding.) I think it's just as likely that Josquin had finished writing something complicated, and like most composers, went for the contrast -- "yay, I get to write something clear, simple, -- and maybe easier to rehearse than that last horror!"

All that stuff about "talent" and "genius" has a residual 19th-century romantic-era smell to it -- as though the "genius" had something special in their head that mere mortals did not, when (as I see it) talent is on a long scale, and at the upper end we are accustomed to giving it another word, although it's just more and greater talent, and quite rare indeed.

Rather wonder if Schoenberg was thinking of himself in his explanation of "genius", and sometimes I wish he'd just shut up.

Regarding Josquin's "godly" status -- what is most striking to me about music of that era, the decades either side of 1500, is just how good all of the music is that has survived. There isn't much crap. I was just listening to Musae Jovis (the lament Gombert wrote on Josquin's death in 1521) and thinking that this is as good as anything by Josquin himself. And the best of Pierre de la Rue? It's stunning! They're all godly! :) Antandrus (talk) 23:54, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

From your first comments, the first person I think of is Strauss—I have always been shocked by how sharp his style shifted in his 80s, particularly the oboe concerto, which I adore. Sometimes I wonder if his sentiment was 'I've gotten the progressive and innovative stuff out of the way, now I could just sit back and write pleasant music', at least, that's how I like to imagine it!

I fear you might be right that Schoenberg was thinking of himself. Sometimes I wonder if his insistence on serialism gave him something of a Napoleon complex. That is, he had to be so defensive and advocative of his methods, that he may have gotten a bit intense and snobby to do so.

Agree completely that they are all incredible. I think part of my issue is the word "genius" is that it's so ambiguous. I mean, "influential", "master of counterpoint/harmony", "unique", "innovative" and even "admired/renowned" are way more meaningful characterizations, and they actually provide content of some kind. "Genius" or "greatest" don't mean anything, and seem destined for misinterpretation. Aza24 (talk) 07:01, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Happy First Edit Day! Hi Antandrus! On behalf of the Birthday Committee, I'd like to wish you a very happy anniversary of the day you made your first edit and became a Wikipedian! {{u|Sdkb}} talk 03:51, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

{{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 03:51, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oh thank you! I knew there was something special about 4/4. Eighteen years. I must be old enough to do something or other now. Antandrus (talk) 04:02, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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