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The result was Keep - nomination withdrawn (non-admin closure). Whpq (talk) 14:26, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ruben Orihuela

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Ineligible for BLP PROD because of date of creation, this article is a BLP and has no references whatsoever. I tossed up between a CSD and an AFD. I chose AFD because it mirrors the BLP PROD timescale. No notability asserted. There are many Spanish rhythmic gymnasts. Is this one notable? Fiddle Faddle (talk) 23:19, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. There are many sources for the subject, see for starters [1] [2] [3] [4], more on GNews. It seems what's notable is that there aren't many male Spanish rhythmic gymnasts, and the subject was the winner of the first two editions of the National Male Rhytmic Gymnastics Championship [5] (2009 and I guess 2010; note that Spain is the first country having a national tournament of the discipline). I'm going through the sources now and I'll be adding to the article during these days — Frankie (talk) 23:38, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Withdraw Nomination on the basis of the references added to the article. Passes
    WP:GNG. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 09:47, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply
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The result was speedy deleted

WP:CSD#A3 "a question that should have been asked at the help or reference desks." JohnCD (talk) 00:11, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply
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Is it ok to wear a camouflage hat to boy scouts

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For obvious reasons.

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) —Theopolisme 23:35, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

M. Macha Nightmare

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She's a witch, LOL. Fails

WP:GNG. Article was created by an arbcommed wikispammer who has written dozens of articles about people who've attended a "witch festival" that he hosts. Qworty (talk) 22:31, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply
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  • Delete Macha appears to be more notable than most witches, with a printed encyclopedia article and interview in the SF Gate and speeches at mainstream Universities.[8] She appears to be taking Pagan studies and education mainstream, or trying, and if successful could be very notable: "She is committed to developing the first, and so far only, program providing Pagans quality higher education and practical training in Pagan ministry." If she were the first to establish an accredited Pagan ministry program at a University it would be easily notable. But currently, the sources are mostly weak because we are not supposed to rely on other encyclopedias, and other than the SF Gate, they all seem like small mentions and not in-depth (or unreliable in the external links). Basically I can't figure out why Macha is notable other than being senior and active in the community for a long time. She has given lots of speeches and interviews, organized conferences, served in boards and committees, written books, journal articles. These are all the normal types of things a late-career person will have accomplished within their field of study, but there is a lack of in-depth coverage in multiple reliable independent sources to take it to the level of Wikipedia notability. --
    talk) 05:32, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply
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  • Weak Delete She does appear to be notable in that world, but I don't see any serious coverage in academic sources. I have to admit to being put off by the nominator's first argument for deletion, "She's a witch, LOL." Wicca is considered by most religious scholars to be a serious religion. That comment was about as helpful as "she's a born again christian, LOL," or other similar expressions of extreme religious intolerance. First Light (talk) 19:51, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Changing to Keep after finding some more academic sources. She is mentioned frequently as an authority in Cyberhenge: Modern Pagans on the Internet (Routledge 2004) by Douglas E. Cowan. Same with another Routledge book, Enchanted Feminism: Ritual, Gender and Divinity among the Reclaiming Witches of San Francisco by Jone Salomonsen. Also mentioned in The Nature of Magic: An Anthropology of Consciousness (Berg Publishers 2005) by anthropologist Susan Greenwood. Is mentioned as among the "Neopagans and scholars" who were authorities used by Sarah M. Pike in her book New Age and Neopagan Religions in America (Columbia University Press 2004). Is mentioned as a source in Things: Religion and the Question of Materiality (Fordham University Press 2012). First Light (talk) 05:55, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep If she was notable in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/M. Macha Nightmare, then those same reasons should still apply.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 01:51, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I looked at that AfD before registering my Delete above. It seemed like the first Keep voter had found two sources and that was good enough for everyone that followed. Problem is, one of those sources is an encyclopedia, which we are not really supposed to use; and the other source is trivial mentions (most of them photography credits!) not in depth. I couldn't find "multiple reliable independent sources in-depth" as in
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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 00:02, 20 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ian Corrigan

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Fails

WP:CANVASS--so the closing admin should pay particular attention to any meat puppets showing up here. Qworty (talk) 22:01, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply
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  • Delete Unable to find sufficient reliable sources that establish notability. The subject might be notable in a specialized wiki or encyclopedia about Druidism or alternative religions, but for Wikipedia there needs to be multiple reliable independent sources that discuss the subject in-depth per
    talk) 04:02, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply
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  • Delete Sources do not establish notability. -
    MrOllie (talk) 21:40, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply
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  • Delete Sources do not establish notability. Mountain Herb (talk) 22:50, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Qworty has been advised about his somewhat aggressive tone - there is no evidence of any meatpuppetry anywhere. Elen of the Roads (talk) 00:26, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. I've added some information to his bibliography that I think indicates notability. The discography needs more information, which I don't think will be hard to find. Folklore1 (talk) 03:36, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • His bibliography and discography are lists of primary sources, not the secondary sources that are required for notability, as simply described in
      WP:42. Qworty (talk) 06:30, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply
      ]
  • Comment. See my comment about the nomination for deletion of Brushwood Folklore Center. This is one of several nominations for deletion that I would prefer to see dismissed immediately. Folklore1 (talk) 01:35, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • That is not an argument for keeping this particular article. Qworty (talk) 20:01, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Even within the field, the accomplishments as described,do not seem notable. His books are totally non-note, essentially zero library holdings, I don't expect hundreds ofr this subject, but that's too low to indicate any significance whatsoever. DGG ( talk ) 02:58, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Vittala (talk) 13:50, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • That is not an argument for inclusion. Qworty (talk) 19:59, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. There is enough sources and material already here. 75.160.179.145 (talk) 20:38, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak delete. The Bonewits source gives somewhat nontrivial coverage (about a paragraph on the subject, our of a whole book) but is very obscure (worldcat says it's only in a handful of libraries). I can't tell whether any of the other sources are even at that level of quality because they're offline. So the case for
    WP:GNG is not convincing to me. —David Eppstein (talk) 21:05, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) TheSpecialUser TSU 01:42, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Characters of the Mass Effect universe

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In-universe and excessively long, with no critical third-party sources. A few lines could exist in the main article, but there is neither need nor rationale for this split. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:21, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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  • I really wish people would stop taking editing problems like this to AFD. It's a notable franchise and there is often a clear consensus (whether demonstrated at AFD or elsewhere) to keep separate character lists for fictional franchises, often because separate pages for individual characters have been merged there. The solution is obviously for someone who is actually familiar with the subject to trim it down if the character descriptions are excessive, but even trimmed down the sheer number of characters suggests that it's too long to merge anywhere. postdlf (talk) 19:06, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • I agree with this. I haven't done enough research do formally say "Keep" yet, but I find it rather unlikely that such a popular, mainstream game series such as Mass Effect would be unable to garner at least the bare minimum of coverage to meet the
      WP:GNG here, especially when, in my experience, the bar tends to be set relatively high for single character articles, but relatively lower for these collective "list of character" type formats. Sergecross73 msg me 19:14, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply
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  • Keep - Between three (four? I think they just announced the next one this week) games, and several spinoff mediums, it is reasonable to have a character list. Issues with excess plot and in-universe cruft are not reasons to delete something like this. --MASEM (t) 19:23, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Split or Delete - Article is too long, and should be split or deleted.--Jax 0677 (talk) 03:19, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. As with other franchises, this is a reasonable split from the main article(s). Remove the minor characters, trim the major ones, and add sourced info, keeping in-game sourced material to a minimum. Lots of material here is of no interest to a general reader, but that is an editorial matter. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 13:24, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Split into a list of notable characters and a list of minor characters. Trim excessive descriptions and properly source (i.e. axe the facebook and wikia refs, add RSes). The list of notables needs RSes showing notability. The list of minor characters needs RSes capable of meeting WP:V to back up the descriptive claims and to verify that they are characters in the franchise. -Thibbs (talk) 14:17, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as character lists for multi-game series are generally considered okay, and there are sources for this type of content. Article may require trimming and cleaning, but that's not a valid rationale for deletion. —Torchiest talkedits 20:44, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep and trim as needed, per Torchiest. Jclemens (talk) 02:51, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Being too long is not any reason to delete an article. Maybe it should be split and/or trimmed, but not deleted. JDDJS (talk) 03:37, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - per my original comment and explanations of others above. It needs substantial clean up and trimming, but there's clearly a
    notable topic here. Sometimes in trimming articles like this up, it's helpful to set up "inclusion criteria" to determine who you want to include. (For instance, only including characters who have appeared in atleast 2 games. I know this is a relatively short running series of only currently 3 games, so this particular one may not make sense, but perhaps a different one could be helpful in cutting down on some of the inevitable future arguing over what stays and what goes.) Sergecross73 msg me 16:13, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply
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  • Keep - per Sergecross73. Problems can be dealt with editorally, content is the issue rather than the topic. Claritas § 01:16, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 00:02, 20 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Napoleon Tour in France

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Wikipedia is not a travel guide. Prod removed by article creator. Dori ☾Talk ☯ Contribs☽ 22:09, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete As the nominator says, we are not a travel guide.
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The result was delete. Ks0stm (T•C•G•E) 20:38, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

TalentsFromIndia

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Unremarkable subsidiary. Wasn't able to find any references that weren't primary sources (company's blog, press releases, etc). Dori ☾Talk ☯ Contribs☽ 22:04, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete Provided sources are PR and user-editable sites, unreliable, not RS . Creator and primary contributor are two different SPAs, suggesting article is promotional in nature. Dialectric (talk) 20:37, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom and comment above. Reads like giant ad and is essentially SPAM. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:49, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - No coverage to establish notability. -- Whpq (talk) 14:38, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) TheSpecialUser TSU 01:41, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ethyl Meatplow

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One-hit wonder indie band with no indication of persistence that fails

WP:MUSIC; a song of theirs got heavy play in 1993, but it did not chart anywhere, and the band itself never went major. Everything indicating persistence of a cult following is dated to no later than 1997, and several of those sources are certainly trivial. MSJapan (talk) 20:19, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply
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  • Keep. Plenty of coverage exists to demonstrate notability. Not 'going major' isn't any sort of indication that the band is not notable. --Michig (talk) 22:17, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Needs to be Wikified, but it's notable. Interesting side note for music fans is that Bozulich worked with Nels Cline, who is now the lead guitarist in Wilco. BeyondKneesReach (talk) 05:25, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Keep" The death of a member of Ethyl Meatplow was reported extensively on Pitchfork.com on November 11, 2012. The band retains an insurmountable stature in the Los Angeles underground music scene. Notability does not expire. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tikied (talk • contribs) 04:26, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) TheSpecialUser TSU 01:41, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Pirouz Davani

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No RS to establish notability, and thus unencyclopedic. The tone of the article is also wholly speculative - the subject is "thought to be" many things without proof. Of the two sources, one is a Letter to the Editor, and the other is a website frontpage. MSJapan (talk) 19:50, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep per
    WP:FIXTHEPROBLEM
    sort of problem. Some better sources:
  1. This article from 2003 about his disappearance.
  2. This press release from Reporters Without Borders which seems to have prompted the above article. - having had another look - the first two are the same text.
  3. This note from 1998 immediately following his disappearance.
  4. This coverage of his and other similar disappearances from the Iran Press Service
  5. This summary from Amnesty International.
  6. This press release reprint, also from RSF, hosted on the
    UNHCR
    website.
I don't think it should be too big a problem to create a well-sourced article from the above. I might give that a go. Stalwart111 01:11, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Done - with some changes to links that I was having trouble with from the list above. Stalwart111 02:00, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) TheSpecialUser TSU 01:40, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Muhapatti

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The article does not site any sources or reference. It is too small. The topic is not encyclopedic. Hence, it should be deleted.

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Keep - It's an encyclopedic topic. It is similar to many other Wikipedia articles on religious items. It already had one source, I added more, plus inline citations. OttawaAC (talk) 23:23, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was merge to LMFAO. (non-admin closure) —Theopolisme 02:09, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Shuffle Bot

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Notability is not inherited, this person is not independently notable outside of LMFAO.

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  • Merge in a trimmed version and Redirect to LMFAO, it sounds the most reasonable outcome.Cavarrone (talk) 17:38, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to University_of_Waterloo#Housing_and_residence. (non-admin closure) TheSpecialUser TSU 01:40, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Mackenzie King Village

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Non-notable dormitory at a university. The award, which might have seemed a possible basis for notability, is from the Ontario Masonry Contractors' Association, for "Structural Design Award--Institutional (Universities, hospitals, government buildings, etc)" — one of 15 awards they give each year. I consider it minor, because only province-level, because only one of many such awards each year, and because from a non-notable organization. The few other references are from within the university. DGG ( talk ) 00:23, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. --Kinu t/c 21:24, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Finish What You Started Records

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All references are primary sources. Tagged as not notable. None of the active roster seem to be notable either, and even if one is, the record company doesn't inherit notability. PROD tag was removed, but no reason was given. Del♉sion23 (talk) 00:56, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedy deleted A7 Peridon (talk) 19:22, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thekonkolashow

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Contested prod. No indication that this animated show has any

notability whatsoever. The article doesn't even say what TV channel it airs on.  Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 18:21, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete. SpinningSpark 12:33, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Government of Kazakhstan Airline

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Unsourced article, thus failing

notability. Jetstreamer Talk 19:42, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply
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  • Delete per nominator....William 23:06, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete – MilborneOne makes a good point that government-operated aircraft are not really enough to make an airline. And without any assertion of coverage in any source, it fails the notability test. —Compdude123 18:27, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. SpinningSpark 12:29, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

FlyJetKZ

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No references at all, thus failing

notability. Jetstreamer Talk 20:08, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete. SpinningSpark 12:23, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Web-Developer Server Suite

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A

non-RS
blogs, though the search was made a bit difficult by the generic name of this software package. I am also nominating the very similar article on the commercial edition of this distribution:

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Why Delete?

(half of this is in regards to Wamp-Developer Server)

Please clarify your position, or suggest specific improvements, instead of general statements and tags.

I have listed why Wamp-Developer Server is notable on it's page, in the Notability Section, with references to 3rd party sources.

In addition -

1. You can see the website going back to 2003 on the Internet Archive - WayBackMachine (http://archive.org/web/web.php), making this WAMP one of the original 2 or 3 WAMPs (with

easyPHP). If this is a problem - most WAMPS Comparison_of_WAMPs
listed wouldn't stand up to this.

2. "combining prexisting software into a single distribution" ... this is wrong. Wamp-Developer uses it's own C# and .NET coded application and managerial framework, which sits on top of the web-server components. It's a 200,000+ line application. Not only does it provide original software, but it also manages the WAMP components completly different than from other WAMPs such as

Xampp
... Allowing switching between Apache, PHP, and MYSQL with 1-click and no new installs.

3. "No third party sources" ... I have listed 3rd party sources for multiple statements of fact. Can you clarify what you are looking for? You can search the internet or StackOverflow and ServerFault for mentions of "WampDeveloper" or "Wamp-Developer". There are MANY results. Also "Web Developer Server Suite" (the previous incarnation/name).

4. The page

Ronz reduced the Comparison_of_WAMPs
page of all links to entries without a Wikipedia page. These were entries of WAMPs with, in some cases, 100s of thousands of active users. Wikipedia guidelines here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:LISTN#Stand-alone_lists ... clearly state that Lists do not have to contain notable entries as long as the list (as a group of entries) is notable itself and it's not "large" (10 entries is not large, I removed 10 dead WAMPs from that list a long time ago myself, but never active projects). This produces a problem such as this. Even a catch 22 in some cases.

Also...

5. Wamp-Developer Server was published days ago, is being actively changed to fit wikipdia guidelines, and has maintained the "New page" tag from inception. This type of speedy deletion submission is concidered by wikipedia guidlines to be in bad-faith, as far as I can tell.

Vorlion (talk) 19:20, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

— Vorlion (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

The 'references to 3rd party sources' you added all discuss XAMPP. None of them mention Wamp-Developer_Server at all. We need reliable independent sources about this topic, not about other software packages. Stackoverflow and Serverfault are web forums (They do not meet the
MrOllie (talk
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MrOllie
The mentioned references are to back up the statements of fact on the page. I'm still not 100% sure what you are looking for... General mentions of the product name? Also, there are 4 other points above. Regarding your last statement, for the benefit of other participants in this discussion, I'd like to point out that I've never stated otherwise. I've been working with WAMPs for the last 10 years. I've also looked at your history, and while you do offer a good service in removing spam, at the same time you've listed an enormous amount of notable content up for deletion. Vorlion (talk) 19:50, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I am looking for the article to meet the requirements specified in the
MrOllie (talk) 19:51, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply
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I have read that. It is a "general" guide and does not lend itself to WAMP distributions well... I have also linked to a similar page for you in my original point #4. See the link-pages here Comparison_of_WAMPs for notability "standards" for WAMPs or please be more specific. Your link also states you should add and revise, instead of delete (last-resort)). Vorlion (talk) 20:04, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
It is a 'general' guide because everything should meet it. Your link to the stand alone lists guideline doesn't apply here, we are talking about the independent article you created, not a list entry. I tried to add and revise, but I could not find the required sources. As the package's author, you would be in an ideal position to provide sources, should they exist. It would be very helpful if you would do so. If you (or someone else) do not provide such sources, the article will very likely be deleted. -
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MrOllie "I tried to add and revise but I could not find the required sources" Can you clarify with a specific example of the needed source/reference, and to what part of the content it needs to be applied to? It's convenient that 1) your summery states that this will be your last comment here and 2) your history (removed of spam cleaning and reverting) shows no real additions to anything, all I see is red for the last 4 years that you've been here. Vorlion (talk) 20:50, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply
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— Vorlion (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

MrOllie

I have looked at your history, and you are trying to delete pages in the web-development area (forum software, php frameworks, etc) that are not only notable in every point of the guidelines, but are in the top lists of their category; while at the same time, leaving lesser notable pages in place.

You're history (removed of spam cleaning and reverting) shows no real additions to anything since your first day.

You've also been intentionally general in your responses.

I don't think I or You should discuss this further as we both know there would be no point... And leave this to whoever makes the final decision. Hopefuly, it's not you! (I have no idea how the deletion process goes).

I would ASK you for 1 thing though, as outlined in my previous point #4…

Wikipedia guidelines here -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:LISTN#Stand-alone_lists

... clearly state that Lists do not have to contain notable (or wiki-paged) entries as long as the list (as a group of entries) is notable itself.

If these pages do get removed, I'd like to add the active non-wikipedia-paged WAMPs back to Comparison of WAMPs. Or better yet, for you to do that (as you culled the list).Vorlion (talk) 21:13, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. Fails the general notability guideline. Google News and News archives turn up nothing when searching for "web.developer server suite"; Google Books only retrieves books with content copied from Wikipedia; Google Scholar has three articles mentioning something called "web developer server suite", but it's unclear if this is it, and regardless of whatever it is, it isn't in any of the abstracts, leading one to believe that it is not discussed in any depth. If the data on Web.Developer Server Suite currently listed in Comparison of WAMPs can be sourced somehow, then it can remain there, although I'm not sure if the title is worth redirecting. CtP (t • c) 21:25, 12 November 2012 (UTC) Per searches similar to these, Wamp-Developer Pro (the subject of the apparently mis-titled Wamp-Developer Server) does not seem notable either. CtP (t • c) 22:20, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Xampp. That's one more citation I'll add to the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vorlion (talk • contribs) 21:53, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply
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Okay, that's a good starting point. But I still feel that the suite lacks the "significant coverage" required to meet the GNG. Inclusion in a list doesn't necessarily mean it's notable (things are similar on Wikipedia—things which aren't considered "notable" can still be included on lists). With regards to your dissatisfaction with the GNG as a tool to assess notability for Web.Developer Server Suite, the only other guideline which might be applicable is Wikipedia:Notability (software) (although it's not really a "guideline" at all, just an essay). The criteria for inclusion are quite similar to the GNG, though. CtP (t • c) 22:12, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The 'International Journal of Advancements in Technology' article includes a list of OSS projects at the end. According to the reference in that article, the list was copied from Wikipedia's
MrOllie (talk) 01:08, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply
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Hadn't even realized that. It ought to be disregarded completely, then. CtP (t • c) 11:32, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete clearly fails WP:GNG lacking WP:RS. aggressive
    WP:BLUDGEONing does not advance notability. LibStar (talk) 23:31, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply
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  • delete trivially minor distro of other notable packages. This might be notable if it was unusually widely used, or some similar reason, but that sort of claim needs sourcing and this has none. Andy Dingley (talk) 14:16, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) —Theopolisme 02:27, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

IsAnybodyDown?

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Non-notable website. The website has come under heavy criticism in recent days from a number of blogs. The current web page is sourced primarily from these critical blogs. But, despite the blog-war ongoing, and the website getting a lot of negative attention across the web, there are no reliable sources in the article to show the site's notability. The couple of RS on the page are for tangential subjects, not the topic site itself.

On top of all of this, the site's owner is now attempting to scrub the page. But that all aside, we still have a small-time website that IMHO simply does not meet the notability criteria. TexasAndroid (talk) 22:45, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak delete - GQ Magazine looks reliable to me (though my French is not the best), but on its own it's not enough. Huon (talk) 23:06, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • Keep - with the addition of Techdirt and Ars Technica articles, it has become sufficiently notable, and we can write a well-sourced article. Huon (talk) 05:37, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I would not generally consider Techdirt a reliable source. It's another blog. A widely read blog, that I follow regularly myself, but still a blog. No real editorial control to make it up to the level of RS. Ars Technica is a whole different matter... - TexasAndroid (talk) 20:35, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete I did some searching and couldn't find anything in reliable sources that amounted to "significant" coverage. There certainly are a lot of bloggers talking about them, but not the reliable sources we'd need to keep the article. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:53, 6 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete I'm one of the bloggers covering this. While I have (of course) great faith in my own writing and those of the other blogs, this doesn't meet Wikipedia's guidelines for notability. --Adam.steinbaugh (talk) 00:58, 6 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Concur with the above, with the addition that if the conflict eventually becomes covered enough to the point where it's notable, there's no reason the page can't be recreated after some discussion. White Ash (talk) 04:35, 6 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy Delete The sources listed are not notable and are being used with many weasel words, i.e. non-notable sources making vanity edits on their own behalf/agenda. There are several legitimate sources which have linked to this website (mainstream local Richmond, Virginia news covering the Anna Michelle Walters case, as well as Velvet in Hungary - a top Hungarian news source) however, that is not even listed in this article. In this form, the website is not notable (because most of the negative sources are dictating the edits from their own non-notable websites rather than attempting to meet neutral POV). Additionally, this should really be a speedy delete and the article should already be gone, because the primary edits were made by vandals, engaging in vandalism and nonsense. Here's a list of the sources examined:
  • Popehat - Not notable
  • Adamsteinbaugh - Not notable
  • Abovethelaw - Not notable
  • Jezebel - Not notable
  • Huffington Post - Notable, but does not mention Is Anybody Down.
  • AngelList - Not notable
  • IsAnybodyDown.com - Does not need to be linked in multiple sections/multiple links unless they are directly referenced by notable sources

Essentially, the top 4 are squatting on this article and engaging in vandalism on behalf of their non-notable websites.75.70.221.14 (talk) 09:51, 6 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Do not delete The GQ source establishes the website's noteworthiness. The reliability argument is a red herring. The statement that Marc Randazza is asking plaintiffs to come forward is reliable because those are his own words. Yet, it was removed. That Craig Brittain and David Blade III share the same IP address is again not up for debate: the e-mails are there for anyone to see. David Blade III is not registered in New York -- that is a statement made by the NY Courts. That Craig Brittain owns both the IsAnybodyDown? site and Takedown Hammer is not a fact awaiting confirmation by the mainstream media -- it is reflected in the site registration record, as pointed out by Marc Randazza, Ken White, and anyone else who can type into the search query of whois.com. That the words "Takedown Lawyer" and "David Blade III" were removed from IsAnybodyDown only after allegations of fraud were raised is not from an "unreliable" source, it is, again, a historical fact - there for anyone to see. Nobody editing this article drew a direct causal relationship between the suspicion and the removal, but the fact is, it happened. That women are harassed because of the site does not need to be confirmed by CNN, because you can simply go to the site and see it for yourself. Givemelsats(talk) 12:14, 6 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
What you call a red herring, Wikipedia calls one of it's core policies. I'm sorry, but reliability of sources is essential around here. And blogs are (almost) never considered reliable sources.
The GQ article is a help towards notability, but is not really enough by itself. Notability generally requires multiple reliable sources. We have one, maybe. I say maybe because, given the language difference, it's a little hard to tell. Is it an actual article, or just a blog/column? I can see that the subject site is mentioned, but it's a little hard to tell if it's a 1-2 paragraph mention in an article about the larger situation, or an actual article on the IAD website. I'll try to get someone who can get past the language barrier to give it a look. But even if it serves, it's still not enough, by itself.
What is interesting to me is the two items mentioned by the IP above. If one or both of the mentioned articles could be tracked down, it's possible that we might have our reliable sources. I'm not a good internet hunter myself, so I'll leave the searching for those two to others. But I'm open to changing my mind if multiple RS can be come up with. - TexasAndroid (talk) 18:28, 6 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I tried to hunt down the sources mentioned by the IP editor (who, by the way, is probably related to IsAnybodyDown). Google News didn't find anything (except Above the Law which seems to have an editorial staff and a publisher and may thus be a little more reliable than the average self-published blog, but probably not sufficiently so). Thus a quest for the Richmond, Virginia sources is rather difficult. A web search just produced lots of links to Anna Walters pictures hosted on IsAnybodyDown, but nothing remotely resembling reliable coverage of the website. http://velvet.hu/ exists, but a search on that website for "Is Anybody Down" or "IsAnybodyDown" came up empty. Unless the IP editor can himself provide links to those sources, I don't think we can find them. Huon (talk) 19:53, 6 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The IP editor (75.70.221.14) isn't just related to the site, he is the owner of the site. He has also previously engaged in edit warring and vandalised Wikipedia articles. 91.125.140.243 (talk) 23:19, 6 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Confirmed. This e-mail exchange, written up by Marc Randazza on Wednesday, shows the same IP address used by the IP editor, Craig Brittain, and the "Takedown Lawyer": http://randazza.wordpress.com/2012/10/31/is-isanybodydown-com-operator-craig-brittain-and-david-blade-one-and-the-same/ Givemelsats (talk) 21:54, 6 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Here you go: http://velvet.hu/sztori/2012/10/19/tanarnojerol_posztolt_pucer_kepeket_az_iskolas_szereto/ (It's non-english. That's why you didn't find it). The original articles from WRIC and WTVR included references to Is Anybody Down but have since been removed. Either way, this entire article needs to be re-written from a neutral POV if it is to stand (with no references to biased non-neutral blogs). 75.70.221.14 (talk) 21:03, 6 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe my Hungarian is lacking, but I don't think that article mentions IsAnybodyDown. It includes a link but never discusses the website itself. Huon (talk) 21:18, 6 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The article uses an image with the Is Anybody Down watermark and references the website as a link. A link from an established, reliable source is infinitely more valuable than sources which do not meet any of wikipedia's 3 core editing principles. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NPOV, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:No_original_research, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability. The current sources on the page do not meet any of these three. Furthermore, the supposed 'sources' are really just attempts at squatting on a potentially notable website for their own ends - making references to people and websites who will probably never meet the three core editing principles of Wikipedia.75.70.221.14 (talk) 23:02, 6 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I'm afraid that trying to apply Wikipedia's "core editing principals" to our sources exhibits a misunderstanding of what Wikipedia does and how it uses sources. That Wikipedia editing should be NPOV does not require that it only use NPOV sources, and our range of acceptable sources is plenty broad. That Wikipedia is not for original research does not mean that it cannot reference such research. I can point to exactly one site which holds Wikipedia's core principals, and it is one that
experienced Wikipedia editors understand is not a reliable site. --Nat Gertler (talk) 17:25, 7 November 2012 (UTC)[reply
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  • Strong keep the ongoing issue is in its early days (which is to say that either more 3rd party references will arrive soon, or the topic can be reconsidered in a month or two) and in general has a lot in common with The Oatmeal and FunnyJunk legal dispute, which is a useful and well-regarded wikipedia article TJIC (talk) 17:58, 11 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The issue is not whether it may become notable at some unknown point in the future, but whether or not the site is notable *now*. At the point in time when the more notable media sources jump into this, it can be revisited. For now, IMHO it's simply not (yet) notable. - TexasAndroid (talk) 03:52, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Ok. We have what may be the first English Reliable Source out today. Ars Technica If this counts as a RS, then the corner from non-notable to notable may have been turned. - TexasAndroid (talk) 16:18, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep I've been reading about this ongoing saga on Techdirt. I would say that it is notable now. The person who runs the site has deleted the entire content of this page and replaced it with a legal notice, so even he agrees that the subject is notable. Albeit in the wrong way, but if it's so important that someone wants to censor a civilized discussion of its notability on grounds unrelated to notability, it's probably notable. Jamouse (talk) 23:18, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong keep This is reaching major news outlets including Ars Technica. Cowicide (talk) 01:46, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep There is now another international source (Huffington Post Italy) that also names the site's founders. Also added an article today from Daily Dot. 21:42, 14 November 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 160.39.170.150 (talk)
  • Keep I reverse my earlier vote to delete. NPR has now identified the founders and interviewed one of them. NPR On The Media. --Adam.steinbaugh (talk) 02:10, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Ks0stm (T•C•G•E) 20:38, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Rotary Club of Coimbatore Downtown

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Insufficient

notable. AllyD (talk) 18:05, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply
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  • SPEEDY DELETE the club is not notable and no references.(Harishrawat11 (talk) 07:19, 14 November 2012 (UTC))[reply]
  • Delete - Notability not established; local chapters of organizations are rarely notable, and the article even states that this particular Rotary club is "one of many." MSJapan (talk) 22:14, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy Delete - The club is not notable, unable to found RS. Amartyabag TALK2ME 08:52, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: non-notable. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 04:56, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was merge to Alaska lunar sample displays. (non-admin closure) TheSpecialUser TSU 01:36, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Arthur C. Anderson, an individual Plaintiff v. The State of Alaska and Alaskan State Museums, and agency of the State, Defendants

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I don't think the lawsuit is itself independently notable, and I believe the notable information is already there in the Alaska lunar sample displays article. Delete. (If consensus is not to delete it, perhaps merge it.) --Nlu (talk) 16:56, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Oppose deletion Merge I've added two additional sources, so far. the lawsuit is important in that it deals with the legal question of ownership of the display and the moon rock. I've added another source to the many that are already there. The case has not (so far as I know) been finally resolved or decided, and one can reasonably anticipate further legal developments. Notability is clear, in my opinion. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 19:02, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 00:03, 20 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Vassal Gradington Benford III

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SPA (record exec, maybe Vassal himself) created. Spam/vanity. All the sources are passing mentions, none significant coverage, in spite of there being an insane number of them. Being listed as "producer" in a number of places doesn't pass GNG. For disclosure, I've previously salted another version of this article after it was recreated many times as a copy vio. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 16:25, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Comment - Is having produced a Grammy-nominated song enough for notability per
    WP:MUSIC? Bearian (talk) 17:13, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply
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The song he produced was nominated for 'Best Female R&B Vocal Performance' rather than production values and he got no obvious coverage out of it in reliable sources. So apparently not.
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Thank you. Delete. Bearian (talk) 17:51, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 00:03, 20 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ekaterina Erika Eternia Cruz

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Simply not notable. Can't prod it cause someone deproded it. Can't speedy it cause there's no right speedy. So left with wasting others time. duffbeerforme (talk) 16:08, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Countdown is on. duffbeerforme (talk) 16:22, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete. A search very quickly brought up this page: [11], which shows that this is ultimately someone's own story creation that they decided to add to Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not for things that you came up with one day, whether they be games, words, or stories. They must show that they are notable per independent and reliable sources. Given that this story hasn't even been posted to the Internet yet, it's a little too soon to be posting a Wikipedia page for it. It's unlikely that this will become notable but not impossible so if/when it does become notable, feel free to re-add it when the series passes
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  • Delete = this is a
    run of the mill character in a fictional universe. Fails too many guidelines and policies to count. Bearian (talk) 17:15, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply
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The result was speedy keep (withdrawn), as Cyclopia was the last one with a !vote for deletion. Thanks for the good work, everyone. CtP (t • c) 23:24, 12 November 2012 (UTC) (non-admin closure)[reply]

Nectarius of Digne

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Non-notable historical person; no hits for "Nectarius of Digne" on Google Books, News, or News archives except for this, which looks like a brief mention or false positive. CtP (t • c) 15:05, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Would this reference in Latin to "Nectarius ... Dinienſem Epiſcopus" also refer to the same? I'm not familiar enough with Latin to be sure (I can only translate individual easy words).
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In
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What was the spelling used in Galla? If we know the spelling, then searching the book for the individual page is easy. CtP (t • c) 21:07, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Realized my error there. CtP (t • c) 22:15, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep. The entry in Galla does appear to be about the same Nectarius, and there does seem to be rather more written about him that the substub suggests. Nevertheless, although I lean towards presumptive notability for anyone from this far into history that can still have a cogent article written about them from extant sources, I'm forced to wonder whether or not bishops who have nothing else particularly noteworthy about them warrant inclusion merely by virtue of the office (cardinals, certainly, but at some point there's a line to be drawn). Squeamish Ossifrage (talk) 21:38, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep – I just incorporated further material from two sources, and will look for more. — Hebrides (talk) 22:03, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Per the good work of those wishing to keep the article (in particular, Hebrides), I am withdrawing my nomination, but per
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The result was The result was delete. The delete camp makes a policy-based argument based on

WP:NOT that I have to allocate substantial weight to in comparison to the keep side, which relies only on notability. Notability does not guarantee that an article should be kept, it only establishes minimum eligibility.—Kww(talk) 15:11, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply
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UFC Ultimate Fight Night

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Contested PROD : This sports event fails

Mtking (edits) 20:35, 27 October 2012 (UTC)[reply
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*Keep and advise topic ban for nominator who is woefully ignorant of MMA as he just copy and pastes the same dishonest boilerplate delete vote across every MMA related article he can find. I don't know if he bombed out in his MMA debut or what, but clearly he's trolling the MMA articles. The article concerns an event that is notable for many reasons:

Wikipedia:Sock puppetry. Tijfo098 (talk) 00:00, 31 October 2012 (UTC)[reply
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Let me deal with each of those links one by one and demonstrate why they do not help demonstrate why this event meets WP Policy :
The mmamania.com link does not discuss the event, it mentions the event in passing.
The mmafrenzy.com link likewise only mentions the event in passing.
The two Ivan's Blog's links are firstly from Blogs which WP routinely does not consider as RS, and secondly the title of the blog says it all "Featuring Ivan Trembow's Self-Important, Random Rants on Mixed Martial Arts, Video Games, Pro Wrestling, Television, Politics, Sports, and High-Quality Wool Socks", not what anyone could call a respected publication.
The sherdog link is a very good example of what NOTNEWSPAPER calls "routine news reporting on things like announcements, sports, or celebrities".
of the two "published print encyclopedias" one is written by the UFC Editorial Director and is not therefore interdependent, the other "The MMA Encyclopedia" appears to "detail the results of every MMA fight in history" in probably the same way that New York Giants Pride details every game in the New York Giants 2007 season but that does not make each and every game of that season notable enough for a WP entry nor does the The MMA Encyclopedia make every MMA fight or event notable.
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Ivan's Blog archived every MMAWeekly post. MMAWeekly is the second best MMA website. Look here and here. Or ask Ivan Trembow himself.--LlamaAl (talk) 00:15, 29 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Now you are just
UFC Ultimate Fight Night is a red link? Who on earth does it benefit to keep for public consumption a useless discussion about something, but to get rid of content that is covered in printed encyclopedias, concerns the first televised event of this name, featured major fighters, was seen by hundreds of thousands of people, went on to spawn many follow up events due to its success, influenced the careers of the participants, the network, and the UFC?! Moreover, these events are not just covered in MMA specific sites. See here as USA Today and other national newspapers that are not MMA specific cover these evnts in detail. The fact that you are seriously saying to redlink rather than even merge and redirect is just mind-boggling. We delete jibberish and defamatory stuff. Can we verify the contents of this article? Yes! Is the article jibberish? No. Is the article racist, sexist, etc.? No. Does it concern a televised event? Yes. Was the event from a major promotion with major fighters? Yes and yes. Is the event covered in non-MMA specific sources? Yes, such as USA Today. Is the event's subject matter encyclopedic? Yes, as it is featured in at least two printed encyclopedias available through major retailers. You frankly have no real argument for red linking and it is borderline offensive to waste our time in this manner. --172.129.97.239 (talk) 20:17, 28 October 2012 (UTC) — 172.129.97.239 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply
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I have no doubt as a sporting event this received lots of coverage in lots of mainstream publications but WP classifies that sort of coverage of sports events as
Mtking (edits) 09:17, 30 October 2012 (UTC)[reply
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Saying it is notable does not make it so, every professional sports game/match/meet/event gets enough
Mtking (edits) 18:48, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply
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Saying it is not notable does not make it so. This event is notable because it is the first Ultimate Fight NIGHT, the second-ever free show, is from the largest and most significant MMA organziation in the world, featured fights by major athletes, is covered in multiple reliable sources for these reasons, which means if you actually read the sources, it clearly passes the
WP:SENSE. A once in a blue moon televised event and the first one of its kind is simply not analogous to weekly sporting events. We are not talking about the NFL which has multiple teams compete every week during a season. We are talking about the first ever televised event of a league that does not have multiple events a day like the NFL, MLB, NBL et al do. You are comparing apples to watermellons!! --172.129.97.239 (talk) 20:17, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply
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My issue is that the article and subject fails the policy on what is and what is not included on WP, just having enough routine coverage to pass
Mtking (edits) 09:17, 30 October 2012 (UTC)[reply
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Nothing is significant to those uninvolved. Anywhere. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:34, 31 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

*Over the weekend, I saw the excellent film

Silent Hill: Revelation 3D (don't take my word for it, just see it yourself!) and so was feeling pretty good until I stumbled upon this farce here! :( As such, yeah, I agree with a speedy keep of the article and emergency topic ban of Mtking from MMA related AfDs per LlamaA1. --BStudent0 (talk) 12:35, 29 October 2012 (UTC) — BStudent0 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. Block-evading sock of Special:Contributions/63.3.19.129 and sock-puppet of User:Mdtemp (school) as well. See SPI. Tijfo098 (talk) 23:43, 30 October 2012 (UTC)[reply
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*Keep .. Per all above. Miufus (talk) 01:27, 30 October 2012 (UTC) Sock-puppet of LlamaAl; see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/BStudent0. Tijfo098 (talk) 00:36, 31 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep Meets GNG what more is there to discuss. ScottMMA2 (talk) 23:09, 30 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per everything above. Longterm significance is adequately illustrated in this later review [6]. (First of many, Salaverry's last hurrah). InedibleHulk (talk) 00:09, 31 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
411mania is a collection of unpaid blogers (see here) and is not a
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References

  1. ^ Nate Quarry talks MMA Uncensored Live and the next stage of his career by Brian Hemminger (mmamania.com) on Feb 22, 2012
  2. ^ Nate Marquardt Signs With Strikeforce, Likely to Face Tyron Woodley for Welterweight Title by Bryan Robison (mmafrenzy.com) on Feb 21, 2012
  3. ^ Trembow, Ivan (2005-08-08). "Monday, August 08, 2005". Ivan's Blog. Retrieved 2012-10-27.
  4. ^ Trembow, Ivan (2005-08-10). "Ultimate Fight Night Draws a 1.5 Rating, Topping NFL Pre-Season Football and X-Games". MMAWeekly.com. Ivan's Blog. Retrieved 2012-10-27.
  5. ^ Gross, Josh (2005-08-09). ""Ultimate Fight Night" No. 1 Saturday Night". Sherdog.com. Retrieved 2012-10-27.
  6. ^ 411mania review
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  • Delete. Sources in article don't seem to satisfy requirements of in depth coverage or don't appear independent and reliable. --Nouniquenames 16:19, 31 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep due to in depth coverage in reliable published sources noting the long-term significance of the event and its notability to the sport. I have updated the article accordingly, but based on a source suggested in the discussion above, I found that in a published book, an encyclopedia, no less, the main event is considered "one of the worst fights of all time". An event that features an "of all time" kind of fight as mentioned not on a mere blog, but in published book is by definition notable. The fact that it is described as such in a print encyclopedia is by definition an example of being encyclopedic. I think someone above does make a further good point about how it does not make sense that it betters Wikipedia by redlinking
    UFC Ultimate Fight Night and keeping this discussion instead. That narrow-minded reading of our admittedly Byzantine and constantly evolving policies and guidelines would be like saying that this discussion serves more relevant purpose to the world than keeping Resident Evil 6 for public consumption. It would be like saying that this aforementioned game has received the same routine coverage that any new game in that franchise gets from video game sites, etc., while ignoring that it is also covered in publications that may not have articles readily available online. Given the significance of the UFC, their events are also covered in print magazines and journalism that might not always show up on a Google search, which for anything, whether it be video games or sporting events a lot of times might turn up mostly blogs and the like in the first pages of results, but that does not mean that the sources do not exist. And nor does it mean that the game or major event is not important. The first televised program of the world's leading promotion is inherently notable. It was watched by thousands of people internationally. Because star fighters competed, it is still discussed discussed in articles about these fighters' careers as it has undeniably influenced their careers, just as it is historically important for the world's leading MMA promotion. Again, the information is clearly verifiable and so just as in the case of Resident Evil 6, I do not see how we benefit civilization by getting rid of a factually verifiable article concerning a televised event from the world main MMA promotion on which fighters who competed for championships participated, but we would instead preserve for posterity a discussion about that article thereby taking up even more harddrive space than something that is at least useful to someone?! Honestly, it just does not make any sense. --Morphed Editor (talk) 20:22, 31 October 2012 (UTC)[reply
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Sock of User:A Nobody Elen of the Roads (talk) 21:46, 31 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per
    WP:SNOW. This event is clearly notable as supported by numerous reliable sources. The nominators repeated attacks on others in this discussions just reveals his desperation and fanaticism. Moreover, his comments are flat out lies and no matter how many times he repeats the lie it doesn't make it false. Also, I don't get what's with striking comments? If this is a discussion and not a vote as it says up top, then it matters not how many bold faced deletes or keeps there are. The struck comments all appear to be factually accurate versus the dishonest comments of the nominator. Shouldn't it be much more important that we go with what is true than just trying to silence some people you do not like? --Jeremy Edited Today (talk) 14:31, 1 November 2012 (UTC)[reply
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Sock of Bstudent0 Elen of the Roads (talk) 16:08, 1 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
A topic is
What Wikipedia is not
 (my bold).
This nomination is based on the fact this article is excluded under
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Keep - The above statement is incorrect, "UFC Fight Night" was a series of events, they are not the same as the "UFC on FOX" events for example. The issue of
WP:GNG is not supported given the circumstances of previous editors illustrating notability, and while the sock involvement is unfortunate (and accurate) a poisoned apple does not destroy the vine and the vine in this case is not poisoned. –– Lid(Talk) 07:33, 4 November 2012 (UTC)[reply
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Your assertion that notability have illustrated it is not correct, all that exists either here or on the article are links to results, blogs, or pages that mention the event, please post what you think are sources that show non-routine significant coverage of the event.
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The result was merge to Organogallium chemistry. MBisanz talk 00:04, 20 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Organogallium peroxides

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As noted at COI, the Organogallium peroxides article largely is the creation of User:Halvagar and the cited sources are papers written by M. R. Halvagar, both having Halvaga in common. User:Halvagar keeps removing tags place on the article.[16] The topic alredy is covered in

WP:SPINOUT a Organogallium peroxides article. Delete. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 13:48, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply
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  • Delete and redirectMerge with Organogallium chemistry. May be worth placing a semi-protect or temporary full protect on the resulting articles to prevent any vandalism, revert wars or similar. Lukeno94 (talk) 15:24, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge. Overall, I agree with the nominator, but organogallium peroxides are not mentioned in the organogallium chemistry article, so deleting without merging the content is not an option.
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Ah, oops. Changed my vote based on this. Lukeno94 (talk) 20:42, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. (

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Innovation journalism

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Outcome of the last nomination was "no consensus" with a invitation to resubmit. Having gone through my watch list I have reexamined the matter, and I feel that the flagrant conflict of interest by the more or less sole author of the article calls for

blowing it up at the very least. It is promotional, and even the third party references (e.g. this Ziff-Davis article) give me the uneasy feeling that, as a term, it doesn't actually mean anything. At the very least we need an article written from third party sources by, well, third parties. Mangoe (talk) 13:17, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply
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  • That's not a source, that's a template. Do you have a specific source in mind as an example? I did the Googles, and what I found was that material was heavily masked by the coincidental juxtaposition of the two words. Most of the rest of the material seemed to be written by the article's author or his institutions. Mangoe (talk) 20:31, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Respectfully disagree, it's quite easy to see, from clicking on the template, that there's significant coverage from multiple sources of the phrase itself, not just incidental of the two words, and from multiple different independent authors, particularly in books. — Cirt (talk) 20:42, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Well, as I said, I didn't interpret the results that way. But even so, the current article, having been written almost entirely by the originator of the term, is unacceptably contaminated with COI. Mangoe (talk) 20:47, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Agreed, but that's not reason to delete the entire article.
    It's a reason to clean it up for sure, but not to delete the entire thing outright. — Cirt (talk) 20:56, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply
    ]

I have been involved with the Innovation Journalism Program at Stanford and especially for Pakistan, we have seen a significant improvements in the quality and approach of the journalists towards innovation. [1] and [2] The Pakistan INJO Program was designed to create value for the journalists to better understand innovation and competitiveness related issues by the Competitiveness Support Fund and later on acknowledged by the industr itself[3]

The Voice of America, Urdu Service did an exclusive interview of Amir Jahangir on the impact of the Innovation Journalism on the Pakistani information ecosystem[4] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ajjano (talk • contribs) 11:21, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  1. ^ http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-newspaper-daily-english-online/karachi/07-Jun-2009/Pakistani-media-recognised-for-innovative-journalism-in-Asia
  2. ^ http://www.stanforddaily.com/2010/02/02/farm-pakistan-innovation-receives-award/
  3. ^ http://competitiveness.org.pk/subpage.php?sub=18&pageid=40
  4. ^ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyTIZO0RdrI
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The result was keep. (

Huntley 02:16, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply
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Nagar Valley

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Should be merged with Nagar(princely state) or the Hunza-Nagar District articles. 3 articles on the same topic seems quite too much

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The result was speedy delete: G7 author requested deletion

Sexersize

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I was the author of this test article. Please delete this immediately. TheKaramanukian (talk) 10:29, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. MBisanz talk 00:16, 20 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Luisah Teish

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I haven't been able to uncover any evidence of notability in terms of

WP:GNG. Qworty (talk) 10:26, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply
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  • Comment - when the nominator says they have been unable to find any evidence of notability, I wonder where they have been looking. GScholar shows one 1988 book, Jambalaya, as cited over 100 times, and other GScholar and GBooks results suggest that many of those citations seem to be by what we would standardly regard as reliable sources. If any of her other work had received a comparable level of attention, I would regard this as a definite keep. It looks likely that this is not the case, which means that while she has some notability, it may well not be enough. But I may have missed something. PWilkinson (talk) 19:58, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Fulfills WP:Author, WP:Prof, and most importantly, the GNG. I was able to find the following:
  • In-depth interview which mentions her book Jambalaya: Laura Casey. "There's magic between plants, food and beauty." Oakland Tribune. Alameda Newspaper Group. 2006. HighBeam Research. 17 Nov. 2012 <http://www.highbeam.com>.
  • Full review of Carnival of the Spirit: "NEW IN PAPERBACK." The Washington Post. Washingtonpost Newsweek Interactive. 1995. HighBeam Research. 17 Nov. 2012 <http://www.highbeam.com>.
  • Mentions in
    off our backs
    and the Journal of Haitian Studies
  • Significant mention in a gender studies reference book, Women and New and Africana Religions

 The Steve  09:26, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm trying to integrate these sources into the article but there is little to work with. The "in-depth interview" isn't very in-depth, says very little about her. The WashPost is a brief notice, a short paragraph along with many other books not really a review. Being "mentioned" in the other sources isn't much to go on, per
talk) 19:33, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply
]

Keep - Teish is one of the most notable authors in her field. She is one of the authors in the Sage Woman magazine and has taught at many of the Universities in California. Here is a link for Sonoma State University where she is noted as a lecturer for the psychology department, https://www.sonoma.edu/Psychology/spirit.htm. Here is a link to a documentary that has her interviewed and that is cited on the website, http://www.nfb.ca/film/goddess_remembered/. Here is a link to indicate her performances at the San Francisco State University's Poetry Center's Women Working in Literature conference in 1985 and 1987, http://www.sfsu.edu/~poetry/archives/t.html. Most recently she has the keynote speaker for this years Earth Medicine Alliance annual conference. Links to this information can be found on their website. http://earthmedicine.org/2012-conference-celebrating-ancestral-wisdom/ and she recently did workshops for the Earth and Spirit Council, http://www.earthandspirit.org/NaturalWay2/NWspeakers/Luisah-Teish-20111021.htm. in 2012 the anthology Shades of Faith was also listed on the Huffington Post as one of the 27 books that every Pagan should have on their shelf, Luisah Teish is published in this book, http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/31/pagan-books-27-essential-_n_1556931.html#s1036941&title=Shades_of_Faith. This is one of the most notable artists, writers and lecturers around. Personal vendettas should be put aside. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CrystalBlanton (talk • contribs) 06:31, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Have a look at
    WP:42, for the notability guideline in a nutshell. Much of what you cite is primary sourcing, when it's secondary sourcing that's required to establish notability. A few of the items on your list are secondary, but a blog announcing an appearance at a conference is not a very weighty secondary source. Qworty (talk) 06:39, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply
    ]
Secondary sources need to say something about the person (see above). There is very little information about her from the secondary sources. --
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Is there anything in those "mentions" that is "significant coverage"? Our sources are supposed to offer depth about the subject. Per
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My understanding is that we need significant coverage enough to demonstrate notability, not "so that we can actually write a whole article, rather than half a paragraph or a definition of that topic." A stub is fine, if she is shown to be a recognized authority in reliable sources. But here are some passages that might add some biographical info to the article itself:
        • "Also, a contemporary conjure woman, Luisah Teish, who blends hoodoo with New Age beliefs, writes that perfumed water under the bed, when combined with certain other measures, will “keep dreams clear.” Finally, water can be used to prevent the dream (or dreamlike experience) of being ridden by a witch—the subject of the next chapter. The water either catches the hag, or simply distracts it." from Dream-Singers: The African American Way with Dreams by Anthony Shafton (Wiley 2002). She is also quoted in a few other passages in that book, as a respected authority in the field.
        • "In 1992 Luisah Teish, who is well known internationally in Goddess circles as a writer and ritual-maker, visited New Zealand. Teish is of Yoruba (West African) ancestry, although she was born and raised in New Orleans. She was the guest facilitator at residential weekend workshops in Auckland and Hamilton dedicated to exploring sensuality and creativity in ritual contexts. Her book Jambalaya: The Natural Woman’s Book of Personal Charms and Practical Rituals (1985) is well known among feminist witches in New Zealand." That's from Embracing the Witch and the Goddess: Feminist Ritual-Makers in New Zealand by Kathryn Rountree (Routledge 2003).
        • In Culture, Curers, and Contagion: Readings for Medical Social Science she has a short article that is part of the book, by Norman Klein, ed., Culture, Curers, and Contagion: Readings for Medical Social Science (Novato, CA: Chandler and Sharp, 1979).
        • "Luisah Teish, a priestess in Lucumí..." from African American Folk Healing by Stephanie Y. Mitchem (New York University Press 2007), where she is quoted as an authority.
        • "Luisah Teish, a Yoruban priestess who began teaching in 1977, and author of Jambalaya ( 1985), was one of the women who came on...." from Greta S. Gaard, Ecological Politics: Ecofeminists and the Greens (Philadelphia: Temple University Press, 1998), where Teish is described as an authority.
        • "Another well-known practitioner is Luisah Teish, author of Jambalaya...." also demonstrating authority in the field (referring to "New Orleans practitioners of voodoo"). from Anthony B. Pinn, Varieties of African American Religious Experience (Minneapolis: Fortress Press, 1998).
She is also cited as an authority in another dozen or so academic book house writings. It's obvious that she is a recognized authority. How much of a biographical wikipedia article can be written is another subject, but not one for AfD. I wish I had more time to research and add to the article, but I hope that I've provided some leads for those who are interested in improving the article. First Light (talk) 21:28, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Here's another bit of bio info I missed: "On her part, the African American performer, writer and ritualist Luisah Teish believes that the contact with one's ancestress provided by Vodou encourages feminist spirituality in that women who aspire to become mambos, or priestesses, cement the matrilinear tradition by constructing a communal image of the feminine:" (followed by quote from Teish). Emanuela Maltese, ""What Is the Truth?": Ezili, or the Power of Feminist Love," Journal of Haitian Studies 16, no. 1 (2010), http://www.questia.com/read/1P3-2078983621. First Light (talk) 21:45, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

First Light, something can be notable but not qualify for a standalone article if there is not enough sources of "significant coverage". In this case we are seeing many small 'mentions' of her, suggesting notability, but nothing really of significant coverage. So according to

talk) 01:40, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply
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Incorrect. If something is notable, it qualifies for a standalone article. Period. What you are talking about is not enough source material to make more than a stub. There are several solutions, including 1. leave the stub (stubs aren't bad), and 2. merge it somewhere, but deletion is not one of them. That is not the case for this particular article, however. There is more than enough secondary sourcing to make a respectable biography. Never mind. I see you've wrung some water from the stone ;) Cheers.  The Steve  02:13, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Green Cardamom, I agree with you — there is much about the subject that might be borderline notability, with few books or articles entirely about her. But she is quoted, mentioned, and cited as an authority by so many academic writers that there is some notability, and is worth of a Wikipedia article, in my opinion. I sincerely appreciate what you're saying, along with your efforts to improve the article, even though you don't completely agree with the 'keep's. First Light (talk) 02:53, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Here is a good Google Book Preview source for biographical material: White Fire: A Portrait of Women Spiritual Leaders in America, which has a chapter on her. It might not be a high quality Reliable Source showing notability, but for good bio info it suffices. First Light (talk) 05:20, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. The article is much too short and needs to be expanded, but this person is quite notable and certainly should be mentioned in Wikipedia. Folklore1 (talk) 00:25, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to Category:Visa requirements by nationality. MBisanz talk 00:06, 20 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Visa policy of Saint Vincent and the Grenadines

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This page seems completely non-notable, with no possibility of ever becoming otherwise. — further,

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Good idea: let's merge them. Bearian (talk) 17:52, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I second this. Lukeno94 (talk) 09:50, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 00:07, 20 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The Farm Group (neé The Farm Group (2))

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Looks to me like a big advertisement. The Banner talk 08:41, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

MOVED to The Farm Group. --Nouniquenames 18:55, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - It needs an extensive rewrite, but the company looks notable enough to me. Lukeno94 (talk) 09:57, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - This is not a big advertisement. Every fact listed in the article is a direct quote from a number of British based highly recognised journalistic sources. The Farm Group is a well known and popular company which has a huge historical public interest within the British media industry. Also, I don't understand why the reviewer of this article deleted my comments on his talk page addressing this issue without responding to me with any advice whatsoever, this makes me think the reviewer is just unfairly reviewing articles. I have now added links to the page so that is is not an orphan and am currently in the process of fixing the link problems. Agk1987 (talk) 11:32, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • What nonsense are you rambling now? The text is still there, but because you failed to put a header on it, I did that. Perhaps it is to difficult to understand a header "Farm Group"? Ow, and please tell the people you are the author. Next point: is User:Agk1987 identical to User:Aganlykesington. And are you both somehow (professionally?) involved in The Farm Group? The text on the talkpage of the artcle (yes, I removed it from the article itself) suggests that. The Banner talk 18:59, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      • I have no idea what you are talking about. This is my first go at writing an article so obviously there are some things that i'm going to be unsure of doing. And the reason I have two profiles is because the other one took forever took too long to be looked at and I am doing this as part of a university project. I have tried to delete the other account but am not sure how to. As for the text on the talkpage, I was actually told to do that by a reviewer in the live chat/help area of Wikipedia, he wrote it and told me to copy and paste it into the top of the article to help people such as yourself with reference checking. Agk1987 (talk) 10:25, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
        • Plus ten marks for not hiding who you are. But minus several thousand for the disingenuous "no idea what you are talking about" and "part of a university project". You've disclosed your conflict of interest as a paid advocate. Don't think that the rest of the world is stupid, and cannot see with our own eyes that your claims are false. People can put two and two together to make four, and thinking that they cannot has been the downfall of more than one paid advocate in history.

          For your information, The Banner: Ashley Ganly-Kesington (according to xyr several CVs on the WWW) is a PR officer and publicist at The Farm Group.

          Uncle G (talk) 10:43, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment - Thinking about this, why is it located at "The Farm Group (2)" and not "The Farm Group"? If we keep the article, a move is in order, I would say. Lukeno94 (talk) 15:13, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • I did try to do list as the correct The Farm Group but was unsure of how to. Thanks for changing. Agk1987 (talk) 10:25, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Moved - I moved this page from The Farm Group (2) to the more logical The Farm Group. --Nouniquenames 18:55, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 00:07, 20 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Anosh Sheytan

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On notability grounds - PROD was deleted without explanation. Not exceptional as either martial artist or comedian. Peter Rehse (talk) 06:40, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 00:08, 20 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Monte Plaisance

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Although this article was accepted at AfC I do not think anything here amounts to notability. Essentially everything is unsourced with the only outside sourcing being the ACLU section. DGG ( talk ) 06:00, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree. Outside sourcing includes more than the ACLU section. The Witchcraft Museum is sourced to viable and reputable sources newspaper and online sources, the early life section is sourced to legitimate magazine articles and the rest is sourced to Plaisance's own written books and online forums, all of which are reputable. JAuthement (talk) 14:03, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

His books and forums are not
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1. ALCU lawsuit. This has a number of very good sources. However it's a single event (
WP:1E
) so we need reliable sourcing for something else..
2. Notable in the Wiccan community. According to the Gale Encyclopedia of the Unusual and Unexplained (2003), under the entry for "People of Wicca" (pg. 75), under the sub-heading for "Raymond Buckland", Plaisance is mentioned in passing because Buckland sold a New Orleans Wicca museum to Plaisance. And that's it. There are similar brief mentions in local newspapers as the owner of the museum. But owning a museum is not enough. I can't find other sources about Plaisance that show notability, or provide information to write an article with (can't use material written by Plaisance since Wikipedia relies on independent secondary sourcing). --
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The result was keep. (

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Rich King (sportscaster)

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Contested PROD. The article has had zero third-party sources that establish any notability for over two years, and searching online has yielded none either. The article fails

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Neutral Typically, I would vote to delete a weekend sports anchor. In this case he has won some regional awards. I am not sure that these are sufficient to pass
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Here's a ref for the Emmy. (He actually won in 1998, not 1996.) I don't think a local Emmy alone would be enough to establish notability, since so many awards are handed out. But it's better than nothing. The full list of winners (going back to the 1950s) is available here: [19]. Zagalejo^^^ 08:33, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Keep. (

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Disappearance of April Jones

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Meets NOTNEWS and RECENTISM, fails

WP:CRIME. This entire case caused a local stir, but was over and done with in the span of a week, and there has been no significant further coverage since. MSJapan (talk) 05:08, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply
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This AfD is part of an mass-AfD by the nominator, if that is good or bad I will leave up to you to decide. --BabbaQ (talk) 15:38, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • REname to Murder of April Jones. This case was widely covered in the media, with masses of people engaged in search operations. Though these have not produced her body, a man has been arrested for murder. WE need to keep this at least until we have the outcome of a trial. That is the time to judge this, but I suspect that we will want to keep it. Cases like this tend to get cited in the press periodically, so that it is useful to have a WP article that people can consult when it is alluded to. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:47, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
That's a non-starter per
WP:BLPCRIME. The article would keep this title unless there was a conviction by a jury.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 17:51, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply
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  • Keep, obviously notable based on press coverage. Everyking (talk) 00:49, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. The story is not even yet over. -- KC9TV 03:24, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Tentative keep - We don't have a
    WP:NOTNEWS. So we have to rely on a "feel" for whether this story will likely continue to dominate the news or lead to legal precedent, both of which are subjective tests. Those givens, I am leaning towards a keep on this case, based on what appears to be continuing coverage of the story. Bearian (talk) 17:25, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply
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I take that back, partially; see
User:Paul MacDermott/Articles concerning criminal acts. Bearian (talk) 17:33, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply
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This is a very different case. Nobody ever thought Megan Stammers was dead, just that she'd run away, which turned out to be the case. April Jones, however, is almost certainly dead, many people spent days looking for her body, and a man was charged with her murder soon after her disappearance despite her body not being found. That is very, very rare. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:19, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The parallel with Megan Stammers is incorrect, as she turned up safely. April Jones has not yet been found, and a man has been charged with her murder. Read the article first, folks.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 15:20, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. MBisanz talk 00:08, 20 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

International Marxist Tendency

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Fails WP:NGO, WP:ORG and WP:N. Notability not established. Most sources are from In Defence of Marxism website (marxist.com) or from webpages that are affiliated with the organisation or its national sections meaning the article relies heavily on sources close to the subject, none of the remaining sources independently verify the notablity of the IMT itself, entire sections of the article (Theory and Tactics) consist of original research. Most of the article is basically a linkfarm to websites belonging to the IMT's national affiliates.No improvements to the article since the 1st nomination in May. Previous AFD was the subject of off-wiki canvassing.

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  • Comment The main problem is that the literature on international Trotskyist groups in the 20 or so years that the CMI and then IMT have existed as separate political entities from the CWI has been thin, so we're stuck relying on things like newspaper articles about the IMT's activities in Venezuela and Pakistan to establish a standard that, as you correctly point out, is entirely too subjective. The other problem is that the group has changed its name from CMI to IMT, and that like most socialist international organizations a lot of the coverage tends to name either its main leaders (Grant and Woods in this case) or its national sections. But on the face of it, this is a group that is written about and is not just two men and a dog, which some "internationals" really are. As such this AfD deserves to fail and the nominator should stop bringing it up. Cadriel (talk) 11:25, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. I think the problem is that notability is subjective and in cases like this political. For socialists the IMT is obviously notable as are many other socialist groups and their associated international organisations. As a punter who mostly uses Wikipedia as a reader I would say the same applies for other "minority interests". I could quite easily create around 500 or so entries for prehistoric monuments on Dartmoor in South West England and pass the notability tests as I could pass the notability test by giving several references to each cairn or cist on Dartmoor from scientific papers - I run a website (http://www.dartmoorwalks.org.uk/) that lists most of them - but would any sane human agree that they are notable? No - all but a few are so obscure that they should not appear in an encyclopaedia (I think there are a couple currently on Wikipedia). So listing an obscure cairn that is irrelevant to anybody would potentially meet the criteria but an entry for a major leftist international organisation is deemed to be problematic because the bourgeois press rarely mentions such organisations and it is rare for academic journals to discuss such organisations. The problem is that if there is a lack of independent references in scientific/academic journals or mainstream media then the subject under discussion struggles to meet the notability criteria. This is loaded as some publications are deemed to be "mainstream" but Leftist publications appear to be excluded and so independent sourcing becomes an issue. The danger of this process is to censor minority views and organisations because they are not discussed in the mainstream press. Of course those prehistoric monuments I mentioned are rarely mentioned in the mass media either but instead they are referred to in journals that deal with that specific subject matter i.e. archaeological journals relating to Dartmoor. The problem is we are told that the equivalent of peer papers or publications in the context of Left organisations cannot be used - which creates an impossibly high bar. It is OK to use archaeological journals as sources for archaeological sites but apparently it is not OK to use Marxist sources (independent of the organisation in question) as sources for Marxist organisations. This appears to me to be a politically biased process. DartmoorDave (talk) 23:59, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. MBisanz talk 00:09, 20 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Death of Tia Sharp

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The initial

WP:NOTNEWS. A Google News search today seems to show that those assessments were accurate, as there is nothing of note after the initial flurry of coverage. This is clearly not going to meet persistence, and much of the speculation in the keep votes as to future notability has come to nothing. MSJapan (talk) 04:39, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply
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as you want me to basically write an essay about my reasonings at AfDs, the least you could do is to be a bit more precise then "fails...".--BabbaQ (talk) 15:05, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
how about constantly recycling "keep meets WP:GNG" with no specific reference to the article in question. LibStar (talk) 05:58, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, like recycling the "Gnews hit" argument without specific references to the hits, and Gnews is not even a reliable tool for coverage of news. And always questioning every single Keep !vote in certain discussion... but not questioning any Delete !votes no matter how weak. But hey who is keeping a count here..--BabbaQ (talk) 17:58, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm yet to find a delete voter who votes 7 different articles in 10 minutes in identical style, if you find someone doing that for keep or delete let me know. LibStar (talk) 23:36, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

google news not reliable? Then why does it appear on the AfD template. WP:GOOGLE says "Google News can help assess whether something is newsworthy.". LibStar (talk) 14:11, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Keep. Enormous and prolonged coverage in national media. Not an everyday case. -- Necrothesp (talk) 22:58, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - doesnt seem to fail
    WP:PERSISTENCE. as user Necrothesp states it has recieved enormous and prolonged coverage.--BabbaQ (talk) 15:02, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply
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Seems like this AfD is part of a mass-AfD by the nominating user. If thatis good or bad I let you all decide.--BabbaQ (talk) 15:03, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep -- This was a heavily reported murder. Due to the slowness of criminal proceedings, we still await a conviction. I do not think we are in a position to judge the merits of the article until the the story is complete. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:43, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I think a certain amount of
WP:NTEMP has been reached here to be honest.--BabbaQ (talk) 20:55, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply
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[N]ot a reason for keeping. There was a spike of coverage in august. LibStar (talk) 10:02, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
But the related and similar example of the precedent set at and case of Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Disappearance_of_April_Jones says otherwise. -- KC9TV 07:00, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
WP:VAGUEWAVE. zero explanation how a guideline and an editor's invented criteria is met. LibStar (talk) 10:06, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply
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  • Delete. Widely reported in the UK at the time of the disappearance (and coverage will no doubt pick up for any trials). BUT there is absolutely zero evidence of lasting significance or notability, as correctly observed in the nomination. The
    WP:CRIME
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  1. "Routine kinds of news events (including most crimes, accidents, deaths, celebrity or political news, "shock" news, stories lacking lasting value such as "water cooler stories," and viral phenomena) - whether or not tragic or widely reported at the time - are usually not notable unless something further gives them additional enduring significance"
  2. "Events are often considered to be notable if they act as a precedent or catalyst for something else. This may include effects on the views and behaviors of society and legislation. For example, the murder of Adam Walsh ultimately led to the Adam Walsh Child Protection and Safety Act"
  3. "Coverage of an event nationally or internationally makes notability more likely, but does not automatically assure it"
  4. "a burst or spike of news reports does not automatically make an incident notable. Events that are only covered in sources published during or immediately after an event, without further analysis or discussion, are likely not suitable for an encyclopedia article"
  5. "Articles about criminal acts ... particularly those that fall within the category of "breaking news", are frequently the subject of deletion discussions. As with other events, media coverage can confer notability on a high-profile criminal act, provided such coverage meets the above guidelines and those regarding reliable sources"
Taken together, the above rather clearly show, first, that we cannot assume notability based on basic contemporaneous media reporting of a tragic incident. Nor has any evidence been presented in any of the above "Keep" comments, or in the article itself, to suggest we have passed the threshold required to rise above that assumption of non-notability, eg in terms of lasting significance. N-HH talk/edits 09:47, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nonetheless, it clearly does meet our most important determiner of notability, the
General Notability Guidelines! In addition, most crimes do not have the massive national coverage this one has had. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:28, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply
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This entire area needs clearer guidelines, otherwise we would always have to wait until after a court verdict to mention any ongoing case or proceedings. I believe that this article will have long term notability, and do not propose yo-yo deletion and recreation.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 10:33, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but GNG is the broad headline list of bullet points that briefly set out the basic principles re notability. It explains the bare minimum requirements of notability and is only going to make sense when read with the more specific detail that follows underneath and in the more context-specific sub-pages. Saying "article X meets GNG" – even if it genuinely does, however superficially – isn't the whole answer in every case. I agree that we could do with some more specific guidelines on deaths and murders such as this one, but nonetheless, as noted above, what we do have at the moment is pretty clear in how it qualifies and expands on GNG. It's simply that some people choose to close their eyes to that and obfuscate the issue by claiming that "the rules aren't clear", simply because they like these kinds of articles; and because they've forgotten that WP is meant to be an encyclopedia, not a RECORD OF EVERYTHING THAT HAS EVER HAPPENED or a round-up of media reports on criminal acts and court cases. N-HH talk/edits 11:55, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Firstly, Wikipedia has no rules. It has guidelines and policies, which are not the same thing at all, since they are open to wide interpretation. Secondly, of course it isn't meant to cover everything that's ever happened, but it does cover incidents that have had enormous coverage in the national press of a major country. This is not the average run of the mill murder that was covered by a few lines in the national press when it happened and another few when it came to trial. This is a case that was reported in huge detail by every major British media outlet for days on end. That coverage makes it notable and it would be ridiculous if we didn't have an article on it. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:01, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Well no, given that no one seems to be disputing that the case had coverage, the point at issue is exactly about whether that coverage makes it notable or not. Simply asserting it as a given, again, and characterising any disagreement with that assumption as leading to a "ridiculous" result doesn't make the claim any more correct or refute anything I've said. I've explained why even current WP guidelines – which I never referred to as rules in my own words anyway, not that such semantics have anything to do with the substantive point – seem to count against that conclusion. You will also surely have noted that I did not simply say WP is not meant to cover everything – which was rather obviously a piece of hyperbole, not a point awaiting specific rebuttal – but that it's not meant to be a round-up of media reports on criminal acts and court cases; however prominent those reports might have been for a brief and passing moment in time. It isn't, despite your suggestion to the contrary when you talk about what WP supposedly does do, and no one here or in any of the multiple related discussions of this sort has explained why it should be or where policies or guidelines require it to be. N-HH talk/edits 16:00, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
See
User:Paul MacDermott/Articles concerning criminal acts. It is unrealistic to demand an exact knowledge of the outcome of a case before creating an article. Serious cases often take many months to come to court, but that does not make them non-notable.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 16:26, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply
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That's Paul's take on these things, which he's entitled to, but it's not part of WP policy. And I'm not demanding exact knowledge of the outcome of any trial, I'm simply saying there's no clear evidence of notability as we speak, beyond a flurry of contemporaneous news reports around the time of the disappearance and death (and noting that the media will no doubt resurface with some basic court reporting when the trial comes up). Are you saying that this event isn't yet notable but might be, depending on what happens in the trial, and arguing to keep on that speculative basis? N-HH talk/edits 09:35, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The thing is, we can bend the arguments in any way that fits our own agendas N-HH. But let's wait and see what the outcome of this AfD is. In the end it is community consensus that is important, not to "win the discussion" too often user's seem to forget that AfD's are not a competition.--BabbaQ (talk) 12:37, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Of course not, but everyone, on either "side", is going to try and persuade people to their view and/or would prefer the outcome to match their analysis (and I'm not "bending" arguments, I'm quoting from our guidelines). And to take this the other way, community consensus is not about votes, or comparing the number of people who simply say "meets GNG" to the numbers who simply say "does not meet GNG" among the small number who happen to turn up at each individual AFD debate (often the same faces as well when it comes to these crime ones). It's about understanding and applying policy and guidelines – which themselves have been subect to much wider and longer community discussion and which attempt to set some kind of consistent standard – and remembering that we are talking about an encyclopedia, not a round-up of stories that happen to have attracted passing media interest. Even consensus, whether local or more general, can't override that basic pillar. N-HH talk/edits 13:34, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Ks0stm (T•C•G•E) 20:39, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Selena Rose

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Previously deleted in 2011. The new version includes two AVN award nominations from 2012, I declined a G4 on that basis although I agree with the tagger's comment on the talk page that this still fall shorts of WP:PORNBIO. January (talk) 10:09, 3 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete. Fails PORNBIO with a single major individual award nomination. Scene nomination doesn't count. (Would have failed the previous version of PORNBIO too). Fails GNG. My searches found a single non-trivial hit in Google Books, and the publisher is questionable. All AVN hits appear to be press releases. • Gene93k (talk) 13:58, 3 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - couple of examples of interview coverage by what appear to be reliable (but in-industry) sources here and here. This may be enough to pass
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  • Delete. WP:GNG WP:N WP:PORNBIO PeterWesco (talk) 09:25, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. This person is not yet notable according to WP:PORNBIO. Rhowryn (talk) 16:16, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) —Theopolisme 02:12, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Minami Minegishi

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Doesn't pass

WP:V in current form, and has been tagged with {{notability}} for close to five years. Should be fixed (if possible) or deleted. Bjelleklang - talk 13:04, 3 November 2012 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 00:10, 20 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Spirella Girls

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Was tagged for notability three years ago. No progress. Same lack of sources at the Swedish page. Spar-stangled (talk) 11:40, 20 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep obviously. Question the good faith of this, nominator appears to be a disruptive sock puppet, see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Echigo mole. Fancy Smith (talk) 09:04, 21 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note Fancy Smith also seems to be a sockpuppet of Echigo mole (yes, that is completely within his MO!). See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Echigo mole. Mathsci (talk) 09:20, 21 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. There are strong indications that a socking game is being played here, however, this article is based solely on a youtube link. My search through google news and books turned up no useful sources for referencing this article, so the AfD should proceed. There is a passing mention to the group on p. 198 here (in a table) and a few more table/list-type mentions plus a whole sentence about the group (p. 13) here saying that Spirella Girls' 1994 song ”Brolin, Brolin” reused the melody of the well-known
    WP:BAND in my opinion. Tijfo098 (talk) 14:20, 21 October 2012 (UTC)[reply
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  • Keep - wp:gng. end of story.--BabbaQ (talk) 17:00, 30 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • Which sources have significant coverage? Tijfo098 (talk) 17:48, 30 October 2012 (UTC)[reply
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BabbaQ regularly votes keep per WP:GNG and never provides actual sources. LibStar (talk) 11:03, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - The present article is slightly misleading: Spirella girls is a show/humour gruop rather than a pop group. The have appeared on Swedish national television and radio several times and released records as confirmed by the Swedish national media database [33]. /FredrikT (talk) 14:38, 3 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • Is four TV and and 9 radio appearance (in all their history) enough for
      WP:BAND? It seems a pretty low standard. As far as I can tell they put out only one album. Tijfo098 (talk) 05:32, 4 November 2012 (UTC)[reply
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  • delete fails WP:GNG and WP:BAND. None of the keep voters have provided actual reliable sources. LibStar (talk) 11:06, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment, maybe leaning delete but not seriously - I'm uncomfortable with the general lack of real arguments in this AfD. Actual substantial GNG passing coverage does not seem to have been shown, regardless of whether there was potentially unacceptable motivation for the nomination.--Yaksar (let's chat) 04:26, 6 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete - despite the sockpuppet nomination arguably presenting a procedural close option, I'm also not convinced of this band's notability. Cannot find any evidence they ever produced a charted song. Lukeno94 (talk) 10:12, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • I repeat what I wrote above: Spirella Girls was a show group, not a pop band (though they did have one major record hit as well). Thus it does not seenm fair to base a deletion decision on WP:BAND. /FredrikT (talk) 16:22, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      • I guess by that you mean they did mostly parodies. Did they have other kind of performances besides tracks/videoclips? Tijfo098 (talk) 16:59, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. --Kinu t/c 23:55, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Cybo.com

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None of the sources provided prove notability per

verification. They are either unreliable (like Crunchbase) or not about the website in question (Seattle PI). Steven Walling • talk 05:07, 4 November 2012 (UTC)[reply
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  • Delete - I found one good source [34] but we'd need at least one more to establish notability. --Cerebellum (talk) 18:19, 7 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. It's not a notable website. One source isn't enough to qualify as significant coverage. The notability of an article must be demonstrated by multiple secondary sources.--xanchester (t) 22:31, 11 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete - Fails
    WP:CORPDEPTH. The link provided above by User:Cerebellum appears to be a promotional press release, or copied from one. Zero results in Google News archive per this search, other than the website itself. Additional searches for news and book sources did not yield coverage in reliable sources. Northamerica1000(talk) 00:43, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) —Theopolisme 02:14, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Nagi no Asu Kara

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Doesn't seem to satisfy the notability guideline for unreleased media. Slashme (talk) 15:25, 4 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep Nothing gained by deleting this and then having to recreate it in the near future. Production is already underway, and getting coverage. Dream Focus 18:49, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 00:10, 20 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The Turn Of This Century (2012 Movie)

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No assertion of notability for as-yet unreleased film. Slashme (talk) 13:30, 4 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete Fails
    WP:NFF and is a clear advert/spam from the director who's probably the article's creator too. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 14:22, 4 November 2012 (UTC)[reply
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  • Comment --Tofc888 (talk) 18:04, 4 November 2012 (UTC)tofc888--Tofc888 (talk) 18:04, 4 November 2012 (UTC) Hi, I created the article and I am involved in the project. I don't believe my involvement in the project by nature leads to any breaches of the impartiality guidelines. I posted the article because I felt it may be of interest to people and as someone with knowledge of the project I am one of the few people who could provide this article to Wikipedia users at this time. My intention is to be partial, operate within the content guidelines for Wikipedia and contribute the article as something of value to the platform in general. I reviewed the article further in respect of the comments above and edited it further. I have supported Wikipedia in the past and respect the platform. I also respect the guidelines for unreleased films. The film is being released this week so I felt it appropriate to publish the page at this time.[reply]
  • Keep and incubate with no prejudice against a subsequent AFD in 6 months time. Article as it currently stands is reasonably impartial and the primary editor has declared an awareness of potential conflict of interest and an intent to avoid any breach of impartiality;
    assume good faith. I'm more concerned with the content of the "Photography" section, which appears to be more commentary on Life Magazine than on the film in question, but that's an issue for article cleanup, not AFD.Vulcan's Forge (talk) 18:34, 4 November 2012 (UTC)[reply
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  • Comment --Tofc888 (talk) 18:53, 4 November 2012 (UTC) Hi, I appreciate the comment directly above and respect the suggestion about the content re: The Photography section. I have edited the article further to include a link to the Life Magazine article on Wikipedia from where I had sourced the information in replacement of including the Life Magazine commentary within the body of the subject article - I was in the process of learning how to cite the source so apologies for not having the source properly referenced when I published the article. Seems like the link to the Life Magazine page is more inline with Wikipedia articles. Thanks for the advice on point.[reply]
  • Comment The one issue that stands out to me is its lack of reliable references/sources that establish its notability. Once secondary sources are added to the page that establish notability according to
    WP:GNG I would vote to keep.Righteousskills (talk) 00:10, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply
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  • Delete - No coverage in any reliable sources. -- Whpq (talk) 17:56, 7 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment --Tofc888 (talk) 22:14, 8 November 2012 (UTC) appreciating the guidelines for films include third party coverage I see other entertainment projects like History Channel's "Mankind, The Story of All of Us" published in advance of release and without independent coverage. The external links provided for that article include self created website listing and IMDB listing which is again largely a self created source. Personally, I like being able to access the information about Mankind on Wikipedia and I am sure I will be interested in continuing to see how the article evolves over time on Wikipedia. As our project is just launching and has not yet been seen the most notable fact is that it is the first film of its kind made entirely with still photography that features the iconic photography of Life Magazine. In a similar style, Mankind, The Story of All of Us notes their series is narrated by Josh Brolin - other than that the article appears simply informative that the series is launching on Nov 13/12 on History Channel. I do appreciate the notoriety guidelines serve a purpose and also submit the particulars of The Turn Of This Century satisfy some of those requirements although I must acknowledge we do not yet have third party coverage. Thnx again to all.[reply]
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  • Delete - surely this fails
    WP:CRYSTAL as it is unreleased at the very least? Completely unsourced anywhere, the only evidence it exists at all is a YouTube trailer. Lukeno94 (talk) 09:02, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply
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  • Comment - --Tofc888 (talk) 00:59, 17 November 2012 (UTC) - all valid points about the articles shortcomings. Project launch is imminent FYI. Hope to have lots of outside reviews but of course at this time we don't have any. Possibly of relevance on point - there is an article published on Wikipedia about the films composer, Robert MIles. Robert is a very noteworthy and accomplished artist. The article about Robert does include an "unsolicited" small reference to his involvement in our film. thnx much to all.[reply]
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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 00:10, 20 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Osasuna VS Calgary

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No assertion of notability that I can see. I would speedy, but it's clear a lot of work has gone into this, so it should get a full dicussion. Gigs (talk) 06:20, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 00:11, 20 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Johnny Zhivago

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Band that appears not to be sufficiently notable to warrant an article. Unsourced. No coverage found. Their one album release didn't appear to receive much/any coverage. There was an ancient VfD for this article but at that time the subject was the fictional musician from A Clockwork Orange. The existence of this article appears to be being used as partial justification for articles on the band members and their subsequent bands. Michig (talk) 10:14, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Note: Not to be confused with the Canadian band from the 1980s or the later electronica artist. --Michig (talk) 10:17, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Also including the album in this AfD:
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  • OPPOSE -- if we're going to declare that a punk band that received decent press, reviews, and toured Europe isn't notable because it's been gone for 10 years, we might as well get rid of Frank Sinatra since he hasn't come up with anything new since 1998, or Glenn Miller since 1944, or the Ink Spots, or Mario Lanza. There are a ton of bands and musicians that aren't "notable" that have articles--and some are good articles (Krista Branch, for instance). This band actually was notable when it was around. While we're at it we might as well delete articles on the Roman Empire and Jesus Christ since they haven't done anything for us lately--thus not notable. Sure, the article sucks and offers little, but that's a lack of any work on it (and a call for some punk fan to add something)--not a sign of notability or lack thereof. --
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  • Delete - Can't find any trace of the supposed decent press and reviews mentioned by
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  • Delete - lack of any proof this band is notable. I've added their sole album into this AfD as someone had already tagged it as being part of the AfD without actually linking it - and I agree that it also should be deleted. Lukeno94 (talk) 10:24, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. I am uncertain whether it is either reliable or substantial, but I found this Greek-language page with a brief comment on the band: [35]. Sourcing is made more difficult by the presence of an apparently unrelated Canadian band with the same name (in addition, of course, to the fictional one). Squeamish Ossifrage (talk) 15:59, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Probably not a reliable source, and certainly not significant coverage. --Michig (talk) 17:05, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, then. Further searching on the album and song titles didn't get me anything that the band-name search missed. Thanks for taking a look at that one page; I didn't have much hopes for it, but figured that I should pass it along for others to review, as it was literally Greek to me. Squeamish Ossifrage (talk) 17:18, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. MBisanz talk 00:11, 20 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

List of soap opera recasts

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I'm not sure what the point to this list is. Recasting a character is a basic part of television - this is just dealing with soap operas. This information is already included in the relevant articles on the chartacters themselves. This is a collection of trivia, a trivia list. My view is that this is just

WP:IINFO - given that the list in incomplete and already extremely long, it can never realistically conform either.Rain the 1 11:15, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply
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  • It isn't typical in other TV shows for characters to be recast. It happens in soap operas to the extent that it has become a cliche and joke. postdlf (talk) 15:18, 30 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Postdlf is right, this happens all the time in soap operas, especially longer running ones. Indiscriminate list. Secret account 04:49, 31 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Keep, I'm in agreement with Nintendude64, I don't see this as listcruft as it stands, though it could use more referencing - I doubt it would be difficult to do. –anemoneprojectors– 14:22, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. --Kinu t/c 00:35, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Blue Waffle

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Little to no reliable secondary source coverage. Merge into artist's article. TYelliot | Talk | Contribs 11:38, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Why not just delete the song info and keep the sentence on the STD? Buggie111 (talk) 12:48, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Merge - No reliable sources for Blue Waffle, the song, and the STD seems to be a blatant hoax. Merge the song with the artist, delete the STD information. Vacation9 (talk) 18:42, 4 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Upon further review, this site [36] actually talks about the disease being a hoax. My bad. Buggie111 (talk) 01:04, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete - I have next-to-no idea about the song, but the STD is a popular internet meme/insult-type thing and is notable that way, but probably not notable enough to have its own article, and I don't know where else it would go. Lukeno94 (talk) 10:28, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. SpinningSpark 19:33, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Dean of the United States Senate

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This article does not cite any sources, and as best I can find, the term has only been once used by a reliable source (here, by the Congressional Research Service). (Several sources refer to

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  • You make a very good point. I failed to notice that the Dean need not be a member of the majority party. My apologies. And while the source I linked to above does not state outright that the Dean is the longest-serving Senator, given the context (in a section on longevity of service), I'll concede that it's safe to assume that that's what the Congressional Research Service takes the term to mean. However, since the Deanship is not an official position (unlike the Deanship of the House), and lacking either documentation that each and every person who has been the longest-serving Senator has been at some point referred to as the Dean, or a reliable source that gives this definition and asserts that this definition has existed and remained the same since the birth of the Republic, wouldn't any list of historical deans be inherently
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  • Redirect or Merge with President pro tempore of the United States Senate. President pro tempore is the official terminology, so it doesn't seem suitable to have a separate article for informal terminology. But this article does have good information that'd be useful in the appropriate article. --NINTENDUDE64 21:27, 4 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • As I noted above, Dean and PPT are hardly the same thing. There have been 46 deans, and only 24 of them have concurrently served as PPT. Their combined concurrent time roughly totals 75 years, approximately only a third of the Senate's history. If the articles are merged, the list of Deans would have to remain a separate list; otherwise, the redirect would be misleading and enforce a stereotype that many people already hold. Star Garnet (talk) 22:32, 4 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Actually, I'm inclined to agree with
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  • I'm confused as to whether the discussion is about whether there's sufficient documentation that the longest-serving Senator is referred to as Dean, or whether a list of the longest-serving Senators at each point in history is relevant to Wikipedia. If it's the former, the matter can be resolved by renaming the article "List of most senior Senators in each Congress" or something to that effect. As far as I know, the term is not in general contemporary usage; the most recent "Dean" cited in the statement above retired in 1974, and the other three served long before that. But if it's the latter, I see no reason to delete the list, as it's an interesting historical footnote even granted that being the individual with the greatest seniority does not per se confer power; being president pro tempore requires being in the majority party, and being a committee chair or ranking minority member as a result of seniority is more significant than the amount of seniority itself. JTRH (talk) 00:43, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • I agree that the list may be relevant elsewhere. As for the definition, it's not so much the recent "deans" that pose the problem (Inouye and Byrd have both been referred to as such), but more the long-ago ones. I've searched Brown, Ruggles, and Sumner on Google and Google News (last names, full names, full names in quotes, etc., each time along with the words "dean" and "senate"), and found absolutely nothing. In my opinion, this article makes two interesting points that simply can't be treated as a single point: It asserts that the longest-serving Senator is often called the Dean of the Senate; and it provides a list of men who have been the most senior senators. However, since it's unclear when the term started being used in reference to the longest-serving senator, one can't synthesize the two points.
    My opinion is: Move
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  • The question is if it's notable enough to have its own article. Prior to the 50's or so, the Presidency pro tem was not simply decided by seniority, so it was not at all uncommon for the dean to not be the PPT. Now, however, any dean is either the PPT, or would become PPT if their party were to gain control. The Deanship, therefore, is a closely related idea to the Presidency pro tem. The latter is inherently far more notable since it is a constitutional office, while the former is an informal title. Considering that the rest of the information in this article provided about the dean is
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  • Comment: It's worth noting that since 1989 there have only been three Deans of the Senate: Thurmond, Byrd and Daniel Inouye. Given that Inouye has been the dean for a relatively short period of time, and that Deans predating Thurmond were well before the "Internet Age," if you will, it's not surprising to see most sources reference either Thurmond or Byrd. Faustus37 (talk) 06:16, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment http://www.jstor.org/stable/451619, published in 1935, says "Senator Smoot was 'dean of the Senate in continuous service.'", and it appears to be quoting some edition of Webster's dictionary. If we can dig up enough sources for the term, it's fine to provide a list of people who had the qualifications that now make someone the dean. 2001:18E8:2:1020:5A2:3E1C:4D48:98FB (talk) 18:16, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I don't believe that Dean of the Senate is a neologism, as it has been in fairly continuous use since at least the 1890s; here are references for all but one dean since 1891: Morrill, Allison, Hale, Frye, Cullom, Gallinger, Lodge, Warren, Simmons, Smoot, Borah, Smith, McKellar, George, Hayden, Russell, Ellender, Aiken, Eastland, Magnuson, Stennis, Thurmond, Byrd, Inouye. Star Garnet (talk) 18:41, 11 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I gotta learn how to do that kind of searching! It would help if you added a column to the table in the article and posted those links as sources. As for the article, other than writing Dean isan informal term used to refer to the Senator with the longest continuous service, there's not much to else to write about the topic. In that case, it would have to be deleted. However, if the artice was reamed List of Deans of the United States Senate, then it would fall under list requirements, instead of prose requirements, and could be kept. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 05:34, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) —Theopolisme 02:17, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hot Dollar

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Rapper with a handful of mixtapes but who has never charted. Of the four external links, two are dead, one is a mindless interview, and one doesn't mention him at all (and the article's single reference doesn't mention him either). All I can really find on Google are articles that merely compare him to the (unrelated) slain rapper

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) —Theopolisme 02:31, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Darren Davies (football coach)

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Contested prod. Reason given on the prod was: "Short BLP of person known only for having one job at one club, basically inexpandable, can find very little other than press release naming him in job. No assertion of automatic notability as per criteria on

WP:ATHLETE" Rotten regard Softnow 03:08, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply
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He has not played in the Scottish Premier League, but Division One, which is the second tier. An easy mistake to make given the non-intuitive nature of the league names. Oldelpaso (talk) 18:19, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Weakest possible keep Neil Brown shows he played in the first division in 2000-01 as far as I understand it. None of the references in

WP:FPL go anywhere near that far back and so do not establish that the league could be considered a fully professional league then. Would be notable now if he was playing but it is questionable whether he is now. Would be more comfortable to see more extensive player history. Fenix down (talk) 17:33, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply
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The result was redirect to Weitzenhoffer Family College of Fine Arts. (non-admin closure) —Theopolisme 02:18, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

American Organ Institute

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This article fails to demonstrate the importance or notability of what is essentially a division of the keyboard area within the music department at this university. Waldhorn (talk) 05:54, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) TheSpecialUser TSU 01:20, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

List of physics concepts in primary and secondary education curricula

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I dont understand how this is appropriate here. its really just a list of physics concepts, without any context or definition. the basic ones will always be covered in any physic class. the title doesnt fit right, as there is no way some of these ideas are covered at the primary school level. Mercurywoodrose (talk) 02:43, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep - The proposer's rationales can be paraphrased as "It's just a list" and "the name is wrong", neither of which are criteria for deletion. Not only are stand-alone lists a basic type of Wikipedia article with their own
    notability criteria for stand-alone lists: It is discussed by several citations. Its contents are to be found in the Science content standards for California public schools : kindergarten through grade twelve as well as the table of contents of five textbooks designed for this level. It might be appropriate to change the name, but that is a matter for the article's talk page. RockMagnetist (talk) 05:14, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply
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  • Keep. The topic is important, although there is much room for improvement. Xxanthippe (talk) 06:03, 12 November 2012 (UTC).[reply]
  • Keep, the topic is obviously notable, even if it needs lots of overhaul (e.g. should be divided by nationality at least). --Cyclopiatalk 18:47, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. There are marginally more recommending delete than keep, but several of the keep recommendations are either not policy based or have misunderstood policy. Some of the delete recommendations are not policy based either, but duly weighting all the contributions against policy there is a strong result for delete. Possibly a future article could be constructed by an independent editor. The crackpot fringe can have articles about them on Wikipedia, but they must be (a) notable, and (b) clearly explain that they are fringe ideas. Notability has not been established in this article, as has been pointed out by several contributors, on the basis of the subjects own publications. Scholar returns an

WP:PROF#1 and that is about the only way that one's own publications by themselves could be judged to meet notability. Reliable sources independent of the subject are required. SpinningSpark 19:15, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply
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David Jay Brown

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Promotional BLP created by two IPs and an SPA. It's largely primary-sourced and gives little confidence of notability. Mangoe (talk) 02:16, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. The article is the very height of meaningless vapid ego, of abuses surrounding
    WP:OWN that we have ever seen. Now this tyranny must end, and this article must go. This is not the first time a self-appointed spiritual savior has promoted himself on Wikipedia, nor the first time we've been abused by the followers of such a person. What never ceases to stagger me is how much personal abuse is hurled by these people who insist that they are so very, very spiritual. Now if only he were notable! Qworty (talk) 03:15, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply
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There doesn't seem to be a word of truth in this incredible screed. I ask for diffs to demonstrate earlier versions of the article "praising Brown as a modern-day messiah who combined all of the powers of Jesus and Freud and Einstein and Marx and, oh why the heck not, Timothy Leary" and "anyone daring to touch this article has been roundly abused in the most aggressive and personal ways imaginable" and examples of the subject promoting himself as "a self-appointed spiritual savior". I find a consistent characterization of the subject as a journalist/interviewer, a science fiction author, and a researcher in fields related to the mind. I'd also like an explanation as to why the bibliography was deleted.Rosencomet (talk) 18:00, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. COI, marketing brochure about a non-notable self appointed expert. All it needs is the 800 number. History2007 (talk) 08:11, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete References do not establish notability, clearly promotional. -
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  • Delete There are no reliable sources, the sources listed are either primary sources or unreliable sources. So, I did my own searching and found lots of thing by Brown but very little about Brown. I did find one solid book review (in journal Nature Medicine Jul2007, Vol. 13 Issue 7, p775-775, 1p) but that's a long way from establishing notability. All the TV show appearances look impressive but unable to verify with reliable independent sources; a cursory check of IMDB (not a reliable source but out of curiosity) did not show appearances on those shows. --
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  • Delete this shit. --Steven J. Anderson (talk) 04:13, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, blatant (self-)promotional spam. Notability is tenuous at best. --Kinu t/c 02:29, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep David Jay Brown contributed to Cognition Factor (2009) and Rupert Sheldrake's consciousness experiments. --SchwannCybershaman (talk) 22:18, 16 November 2012 (UTC)§[reply]
Cognition Factor does not have an article here, and seems deeply non-notable (e.g. Rotten Tomatoes lists no reviews for it). Sheldrake is a fringe theorist who is not adequate to endorse notability on his own. Mangoe (talk) 20:41, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Cognition Factor is listed on IMDb---SchwannCybershaman (talk) 23:25, 16 November 2012 (UTC)§[reply]
IMDB does not constitute
WP:RS, as anyone can post anything there. Qworty (talk) 21:33, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply
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They also fail to report any reviews, implying that nobody cared. Mangoe (talk) 21:44, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I have worked with Brown in person in Basel 2006. Felt it appropriate to add in my two bits as I have met the guy. He is a bit like Woody Allen. Mercy?----SchwannCybershaman (talk) 23:55, 16 November 2012 (UTC)§[reply]
Yes, let us have mercy on Wikipedia readers and get this deleted. The people who edit that page and you voting here seem to know the person, so that just runs counter to the idea of "general notability" outside a small circle. History2007 (talk) 21:58, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
There's worse, more obscure stuff, which Wiki carries quite happily, but you all seem to have decided so I'm declining further comment--------SchwannCybershaman (talk) 00:25, 17 November 2012 (UTC)§[reply]
That "other stuff" you're referencing falls, quite appropriately enough, under
WP:OTHERSTUFF. Qworty (talk) 01:31, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply
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  • Keep. The article needs work, but there's enough information in it already to demonstrate notability. Folklore1 (talk) 00:19, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. The subject is notable based on the content of the article. He is a published author and deserves to retain his article.JuliusAaron (talk) 02:03, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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      WP:AUTHOR. Just being a published author does not confer notability per Wikipedia standards. Qworty (talk) 02:13, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete. SpinningSpark 18:27, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Robb Wolf

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I apologize - I can't seem to get the template correct.

Robb Wolf - It's clear that this individual does not meet the Notability Guidelines and uses this page as a marketing technique or tool. Every single word on this page was written by the subject himself, with no outside sourcing.

There are no respected outside verifiable sources other than the subject's own book which is not published by any mainstream outlets. The sole source of fame for this individual is that he put out a few podcasts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Diadelsuerte (talk • contribs)

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The result was delete. Consensus is that enough third-party coverage to warrant an article does not exist. --Kinu t/c 00:03, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ian D. Marsden

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The username of the page creator suggests the article is an autobiography. The article is poorly sourced, with the only source listed being the personal website of the subject. The article reads as advertisement, with the included images making it look like the artist's portfolio. -- Patchy1 01:12, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete for now due to lack of appropriate sources, Google News found one link here (Spanish) that confirms his employment with Google and Google Books found one book here that he co-contributed to. I returned to Google News and added both "artist" and "Google" but found nothing else. The link with the "New Mediaaward" sentence was dead so I searched web.archive.org and successfully retrieved it, but it never actually mentions him. Therefore, I searched myself for evidence to support this but only found unreliable and primary sources. Conflict of interest articles won't usually disturb me unless extremely promotional or problematic because we're all here to help, and I appreciate the author's contributions but there isn't anything to establish verification or notability at this time. SwisterTwister talk 03:48, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Google doodles get ample coverage, and he made the first one ever, as the reliable source I added a reference to in the article clearly proves.
    WP:ARTIST 3. The person has created ... a significant or well-known work ..that has been the subject ... of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews. So he passes that. Perhaps number 4 also, not sure. Number 3 is enough though. Dream Focus 07:39, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply
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  • From Ian Marsden himself - Sorry if this is not written in the correct format. I have been made aware that some people want to delete the entry about me because they seem to doubt that I actually created the first Google doodle, that I created the official mascot for the FIS Alpine Ski World Championship 2003 in St. Moritz or there are some other concerns. Some source information is:
As far as I understand I need to have at least two sources that have interviewed me or written about me, hopefully the above recent ones will suffice. Any further questions may be posed directly to me through marsdencartoons.com. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ian Marsden (talk • contribs) 23:37, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • I never doubted that you created the first Google Doodle as I found evidence to support this. The issue was that there weren't any other sources to verify your other work. It's not that we're accusing you of fabrication but rather Wikipedia requires third-party sources to establish notability and to ensure the best verification, nothing personal. SwisterTwister talk 23:46, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • I (as the nominator) never doubted that either, I just know that Wikipedia is not a place for poorly sourced autobiographical advertisements. -- Patchy1 00:17, 6 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • From Ian again: More source information:
  • Photoshop Magazine July 2010, a 2010 interview with German PSD Photoshop Magazine.
  • jatail.com, a page on the Jatail Website still listing me as their creative director (where I designed all the album art and logos for La Toya Jackson etc).
As a designer I don't really know what third parties there would be. There is the client and there is the resulting product. There have been quite a few articles and interviews over the years about my work. Many don't appear to show up in Google. This article here has been on Wikipedia for at least six years if not more. I am sorry if it is poorly sourced. As far as I understand it is frowned upon if I edit it myself and I don't really want to ask other people to do it either. To sum up: I hope that I have now provided both sufficient links to third party entities mentioning me and my work. Apart from that I don't know if the past 25 years of my career have been sufficient to qualify for the criteria under 'Creative Professionals' and I do not want to argue the topic on my own behalf. Since I published my first cartoon in Penthouse magazine at age 16 and therefore started out relatively young, there is still hope that I might reach this distinction during the next 25 year phase of my creativity. If for some reason you still think you need to delete the article then by all means go ahead. Cheers. Ian — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ian Marsden (talk • contribs) 00:51, 6 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ian, third parties essentially are 1. Wikipedia reliable source (newspaper articles, magazine articles, and book information) that were published and 2. have no connection to you. (see
    WP:GNG
    for more info). Blog.marsdencartoons.com is connected to you since it is your website as is jatail.com because that is where you work. youtube.com is not connected to you, but is not considered a Wikipedia reliable source since anyone can upload videos there. Was that interview published someplace else? Wacom.com appears to be connected to you. The Wall Street Journal article is a good GNG source, but there's not much information in there from which to write a biography article on Ian D. Marsden. The Photoshop Magazine is a great GNG source. One more of those, and it is possible that the article will be kept. Your name is common, so it's hard to find source information on you. What ever you have, please post in this discussion or provide a link to where the info is on your website. I found three bits of information. One, I added to the article:
  • In March 2003, Marsden was nominated for 2002 New Media Cartoonist of the Year by the National Cartoonists Society.[1]
  • In January 2003, Marsden illustrated
    Alpine Ski World Championship in St. Moritz, Switzerlandand.[2] Marsden illustration conveyed the message that "the action on the track no longer is everything."[2]
  1. Dallas Morning News. March 17, 2003. p. 4C. {{cite news}}: |section= ignored (help
    )
  2. ^
    Horizont. p. 24. Retrieved November 7, 2012. {{cite news}}: |section= ignored (help
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As for another source of information, I would like to confirm that this is not about you. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 15:00, 7 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

From Ian Marsden:

Yes the name Ian Marsden is incredibly common especially in Britain. No the article at the bottom has nothing to do with me. I have never lived in Britain and I have also never molested anybody or ever been arrested.

Yes it is correct that I was nominated for the 2003 National Cartoonist Society Reuben Award in the category "New Media"

Yes it is also correct that I designed and illustrated Smoony the official mascot for the Ski World Championship. It was designed by me not by Tatjana Keller. Mrs. Keller worked for the organization and hired me to design the mascot. It was roughly based on a child's drawing that won a contest in St. Moritz in as fas as the drawing featured a half moon and half sun face. The final design was entirely original and bore no actual resemblance to the child's sketch.

Wacom is not connected to me. They contacted me and asked me if they may feature me as a featured artist on their homepage. It is correct that Wacom is now using some of my artwork in an ad campaign for Wacom and I created a series of videos in which I explain how I work on my Wacom Cintiq display but I am not an employee of Wacom. The same goes for Jatail - I worked for them for several years but i am not at all connected with them anymore in any way. Once in a while I create artwork for them as an independent contractor. I only added that link to show that they indeed featured me on their site and that I DID work for them.

I will see if I can find some more interviews like the PSD Magazine article. Best regards. Ian — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ian Marsden (talk • contribs) 19:08, 8 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Lean delete - I'll look for some additional coverage, but as it stands, I'm not finding much. Go Phightins! 22:11, 11 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete: Non-notable due to lack of substantial coverage in multiple reliablable independent sources. My own Google searches turned up nothing substantial at all, nor give me any reason to expect that any will be found. Dominus Vobisdu (talk) 22:54, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Lacking depth-of-coverage from 3rd party reliable sources; dubious claim of being the "first" for this as well (contradicted by Google themselves). OhNoitsJamie Talk 22:08, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Redirect to

Mitt_Romney_presidential_campaign,_2012#Campaign_staff_and_policy_team. There would probably be little to merge so a redirect would be better. I found several news results mentioning her here, here (this second result is a detailed article about her, noting that she previously worked for Beth Myers, senior advisor and chief of staff for Mitt Romney) and here. There are probably more but chances are those would be trivial mentions. (non-admin closure) SwisterTwister talk 22:14, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply
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Kelli Harrison

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Notability has not been established -- Patchy1 11:23, 20 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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    WP:ONEEVENT grounds). Bondegezou (talk) 17:58, 20 October 2012 (UTC)[reply
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  • Merge with
    Mitt Romney presidential campaign, 2012. Any notability beyond the single WSJ article does not exist. --NINTENDUDE64 02:57, 29 October 2012 (UTC)[reply
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  • Merge with
    Mitt Romney presidential campaign, 2012. As Nintendude said, there is no notability beyond the WSJ journal. Vacation9 17:49, 7 November 2012 (UTC)[reply
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The result was keep. There have been 1 delete, 2 merge and 4 keep votes while one of the merge votes were by an editor who made their second edit across the wiki here. There were no chances of relisting after 3 already and deletion is never going to be an outcome with this AfD since there exists no other deletion vote other than the nom. There had been no support for deletion other then the nomination and the last 4 votes suggest keeping the article. If anyone still feels that this should be merged, than a discussion on the talk page is all that is needed. (non-admin closure) TheSpecialUser TSU 01:14, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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I look forward to a discussion on whether this article relating to the iOS native Notes app is notable. As I believe, in itself, it is not as it is fairly standard. If this article is deemed notable, this would suggest other native apps such as the clock, calendar and calculator must also be notable, and I don't believe that is the case. -- Patchy1 03:40, 29 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Would an article on native iPhone apps be notable?  Ryan Vesey 03:55, 1 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
To be clear, I mean would having one article that discusses Notes, Clock, Calendar, etc. in one article be notable. Ryan Vesey 03:56, 1 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe as a section of iOS. -- Patchy1 05:59, 1 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Merge with iOS... Notes is just like every other app... I do not think that every app needs its own article Fer0015 (talk) 11:19, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge to iOS. Maybe Passbook, which has received massive coverage from news agencies, would be notable. Notes is just another app though. Vacation9 17:53, 7 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as one of the major apps on a notsble system., There are enough reviews to be found. DGG ( talk ) 18:56, 7 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 00:13, 20 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Jannik Olander

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Paid editing for someone who is at best a marginally notable figure. The two "references" are PR placements--pseudointerviews. where he says what he pleases not subject to any apparent editorial control, and therefore not RSs. DGG ( talk ) 00:48, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I used the wrong word, not PR placement, but based on PR, or more exactly, entirely PR, his own PR in his own words. One doesn't have evidence for this--evidence would be seeing the various f=draft wages of the document, and the correspondence between the parties and the recording of the interview. What matters is the result, & to judge that we use common sense and the comparison with what we know to be genuine reporting. As one of the acknowledge paid editors said to me at a recent discussion, almost every publication of this sort is to some extent based or motivated by PR. I believe he used it as a defense of using such sources--I use it as a reason for rejection unless I see some evidence of actual editorial judgment. (The argument for notability would be that the news source chose him as interesting enough to be given space to tell his story. I would have made that argument 5 years ago, when lack of experience on Wikipedia caused me to be quite naïve about the extent of promotionalism.) DGG ( talk ) 03:54, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for responding. Also, note that it appears JCK Magazine discloses their content that are advertorials, at least those for their own events. For example, see [42]. Northamerica1000(talk) 03:57, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as promotion. In fact there appears to be more emphasis on companies and products than on the person, which leaves the impression that this bio is merely an vehicle for corporate promotion. On a personal note, in spite of Wikipedia being generally inclusionist, I see no reason why the volunteer community should spend their time rescuing something that has been paid for and aims to increase the profit of a company. The onus for providing sources is on the creator. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:03, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - The article certainly has taken on an increased promotional tone compared to its state at the time its first AfD discussion closed: diff page, and in many ways it reads like an advertisement at this time. Northamerica1000(talk) 04:09, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Still doesn't seem to meet criteria for notability (i.e.
WP:ARTIST in this case). Rhode Island Red (talk) 17:52, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply
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  • Weak keep based on Jethrobot's revisions and edits. Possible conflict of interest here in that I voted to keep this before, although commenting on the borderline nature of the notability, and think Jethrobot did a good job with what can only be called minimal sources. But yes, it is at best a weak keep. Mabalu (talk) 01:21, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per Jethrobot. I think the sources here are reliable enough for our standards, and not just PR releases. If the article seems promotional, that's a reason to improve it rather than delete it. Robofish (talk) 15:55, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. The sources being discussed are not sufficient to meet
    WP:GNG. The notability bar for biographies is much higher than what is being presumed here. Qworty (talk) 02:39, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply
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The result was keep. Clear consensus that the subject meets the relevant guidelines.

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Come on a Cone (song)

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Not convinced this passed

WP:NMUSIC, there's no significant coverage. While a music video was released it doesn't appear to have got a massive amount of coverage. — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 [talk] 17:41, 27 October 2012 (UTC)[reply
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  • Keep. It received enough coverage: Pitchfork: [43], MTV: [44], [45], Exclaim!: [46], SPIN: [47], Prefix: [48], FACT: [49], EW: [50], Digital Spy: [51]. Probably too much content for a merge to the album. --Michig (talk) 08:56, 4 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. --Kinu t/c 06:31, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Poppin, Inc.

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One of an interconnected series of promotional articles on this firm and its brands, all created by the apparently single-purpose promotional editors User:Talunz and other editors including User:Maz204 and User:Julieb-pma Most have been previously deleted as A7, G11, or both. All the references appear to be entirely PR-based, and therefore not usable as reliable sources for notability. Rather than speedy again, I'm bringing them here so re-additions of the material can be unequivocally speedy deleted at reconstructions of deleted content. I'm listing them separately, because it is possible that one or more of the brands might be notable and someone might be prepared to completely rewrite the articles. I've sometimes done such extensive rewriting in the past, but I will no longer do my volunteer unpaid writing to replace the unacceptable work of people who have been paid to do it. (For those brands where it required only some deletions , and where the articles had references clearly showing notability, I did make the edits & have not nominated them here. I'm still willing to do that because fixing the promotionalism is the only way we have to deal with such low-quality but still acceptable articles.) DGG ( talk ) 21:47, 4 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete - a minor brand/startup not worthy of a stand-alone article (especially once the padding and blatant PR is removed). All the sources are based on press-releases/blurbs. It's mentioned in Burch Creative Capital and that's more than enough, although even that article has very marginal notability based on the current sourcing. Voceditenore (talk) 08:23, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: Fails
    WP:V, which requires not only that the article include some material from independent sources, but demands that the article be based on independent sources. There isn't enough independent material to form the foundation of an article.—Kww(talk) 21:27, 6 November 2012 (UTC)[reply
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  • Delete. Per nomination. This article would need to be entirely re-written and researched if it were ever to meet GNG. BeyondKneesReach (talk) 00:57, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Per nom. SpinningSpark 01:07, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. --Kinu t/c 00:47, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

C. Wonder

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One of an interconnected series of promotional articles on this firm and its brands, all created by the apparently single-purpose promotional editors User:Talunz and other editors including User:Maz204 and User:Julieb-pma Most have been previously deleted as A7, G11, or both. All the references appear to be entirely PR-based, and therefore not usable as reliable sources for notability. Rather than speedy again, I'm bringing them here so re-additions of the material can be unequivocally speedy deleted at reconstructions of deleted content. I'm listing them separately, because it is possible that one or more of the brands might be notable and someone might be prepared to rewrite the articles from scratch. I've sometimes done such extensive rewriting in the past, but I will no longer do my volunteer unpaid writing to replace the unacceptable work of people who have been paid to do it. (For those brands where it required only some deletions, and where the articles had references clearly showing notability, I did make the edits & have not nominated them here. I'm still willing to do that because fixing the promotionalism is the only way we have to deal with such low-quality but still acceptable articles. DGG ( talk ) 21:47, 4 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete - a minor brand/startup not worthy of a stand-alone article. All the sources are based on press-releases/blurbs + a very passing mention in a New York Times column devoted to fashion snippets. It's mentioned in Burch Creative Capital and that's more than enough, although even that article has very marginal notability based on the current sourcing. Voceditenore (talk) 08:03, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. --Kinu t/c 06:30, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Burch Creative Capital

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One of an interconnected series of promotional articles on this firm and its brands, all created by the apparently single-purpose promotional editors User:Talunz, User:Maz204, & User:Julieb-pma Most have been previously deleted as A7, G11, or both. The references appear to be entirely PR-based, and therefore not usable as reliable sources for notability. Rather than speedy again, I'm bringing them here so re-additions of the material can be unequivocally speedy deleted as reconstructions of deleted content.

I'm listing them separately, because it is possible that one or more of the brands might be notable and someone might be prepared to do the necessary extensive rewriting. I've sometimes done this in the past, but I will no longer do my volunteer unpaid work to replace the unacceptable work of people who have been paid to do it. (For those brands where it required only some deletions , and where the articles had references clearly showing notability, I did make the edits & have not nominated them here. I'm still willing to do that, because fixing the promotionalism is the only way we have to deal with such low-quality but still acceptable articles.) DGG ( talk ) 21:46, 4 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete. New company, pushing their one-year old brands with "lipstick on a pig" reference padding to make it look notable:
  1. Self-published profile of the owner
  2. Company's website
  3. CBS news, a reasonable source, but the article is actually about a female "PR Maven" who teamed up with the owner for a fashion brand that was part of a company he was formerly chairman of and has nothing to do with this company
  4. Interview with the owner, not about the company
  5. Press release snippet about the owner stepping down as chairman of a previous company
  6. Press release based puff-piece on one of its new brands (C. Wonder) in Haute Living
  7. Los Angeles Times, a reasonable source, but the article is actually about one of the new designers the company is investing in (Monika Chiang) and who is claimed to be "dating" the company's chairman
  8. Press release based puff-piece on another one of their new brands (Poppin, Inc.) in Company Inc.
No evidence of significant coverage in reliable independent sources. The company's raison d'être is simply to manage the brands he's recently created and owns. This entire "suite" of articles is a shameless and unencyclopedic use of Wikipedia for PR. At most, some of the information here can be added to J. Christopher Burch Voceditenore (talk) 10:03, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. MBisanz talk 00:13, 20 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Prijatelji (comics)

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No assertion of notability that I can see. I would speedy, but it's clear a lot of work has gone into this, so it should get a full dicussion. Gigs (talk) 06:20, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete Can't find RS after good faith search. There appears to be a language barrier, so if someone can make foreign RS appear, I'd reconsider.
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  • Comment: The big issue right now is finding sources that talk about the comic in depth. The above sources only mention the artwork briefly in relation to many other artists and the thing about exhibitions is that they only truly count towards notability in and of themselves if one of two (or both) things are met. The first is that the artwork is on permanent display in several notable galleries or museums. The second is if the comics themselves were the main focal point of a notable exhibition in a notable location. Now the thing about the second point is that it means that they would be the main feature of the exhibition rather than one of several other artists being shown, which doesn't seem to be the case here. Searching for sources was a little difficult due to the language barrier, but I just can't see where it's received a lot of in-depth coverage from sources Wikipedia would consider reliable. At this point in time it doesn't pass notability guidelines. I have no problem with anyone wanting to userfy it until more sources can be found, however. I do want to note that if sources are eventually found, the article will need to be re-written in some places as it occasionally as writing that reads more from a fan's point of view than from a neutral and encyclopedic point of view.
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The result was DELETE. postdlf (talk) 21:25, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

List of the Beatles' record sales

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Mostly unsourced string of trivia, bordering on

WP:CRUFT. Particularly noteworthy achievements can (and are!) mentioned with citations in individual articles, but incidents like "Biggest ever jump within the British albums chart (94 positions jumped by Sgt. Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band from no. 97 to no. 3 in 1987) (record surpassed in 2008 by Leona Lewis's Spirit album.)" and "Most 2-sided charted singles in the Billboard Hot 100 charts (26 singles, including two double-sided #1 hits, although "For You Blue" (B-side of "The Long And Winding Road") accompanied its A-side and did not chart on its own)" are really reaching. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:48, 4 November 2012 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 00:13, 20 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Holger Michaelis

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Fails

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  • Comment. Neither of the two previous keeps describes a valid
    WP:PROF criterion for keeping the article. "Professor emeritus" merely means that he is a retired professor, and deputy director of a department is far too low of an administrative position. —David Eppstein (talk) 19:28, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply
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  • delete. The meat of the aricle is the section "Academic life". This has only one reference (in German) which verifies only the very trivial fact that Michaelis was a research assistant to Wollmann—and even that is buried in a mere passing mention in a footnote. He has an h-index of only one as far as I can tell by feeding his publications list into Scholar. That is very poor, essentially completely non-notable, although I do not fully trust Scholar to give good results in non-English languages so would be open to persuasion if some further evidence is presented. SpinningSpark 16:26, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. MBisanz talk 00:12, 20 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Eugene O'Riordan

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BLP fails

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  • Keep. A paper with 756 citations does not need calculation of h-index to prove notability. Arguably, that on its own meets Prof#C1. I cannot agree with Czar that h-index is not determinant to C1. The h-index pretty much enumerates what C1 is all about - "widely cited" means notable. It is true that Prof#Citation_metrics cautions about Google Scholar, but only to say that Scholar does not have access to everything. The true picture can only be even more notable if anything. SpinningSpark 01:40, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete not notable. Mountain Herb (talk) 22:59, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
and your reasons based on policy? Xxanthippe (talk) 23:18, 16 November 2012 (UTC).[reply]
Doesn't meet Criteria 1 of
WP:ACADEMIC ie "1. The person's research has made significant impact in their scholarly discipline, broadly construed, as demonstrated by independent reliable sources." I see no evidence of a significant impact on the discipline. Mountain Herb (talk) 23:46, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply
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A common objective measure of impact is the number of citations by others of the subjects works. Citations are evidence of significance. SpinningSpark 00:41, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. j⚛e deckertalk 06:17, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

DJ Wil

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A DJ. No independent, reliable references about him. There are social networking links, but no good refs. Prod was contested with "Hello! DJ Wil is a renowned DJ from London and have performed with several notable artists such as Daddy Saj, Emmerson etc. . He is widely known in the UK. I'll keep gathering a good source and update it." Bgwhite (talk) 00:07, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete, no indication of notability. SpinningSpark 01:46, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Like Bgwhite, I can find only some social networking links, no significant coverage in reliable sources.  Gongshow Talk 18:05, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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