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The result was no consensus.

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Casey Calvert (actress)

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Fails PORNBIO. Can't agree she passes GNG either

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  • Notability is based on coverage in independent reliable sources. What the subject writes about herself on Instagram is neither independent nor reliable. ]
  • Primary sources aren't prohibited (see
    WP:PRIMARY); if they were, many journalists probably wouldn't have articles (see many of the subjects under Category:MSNBC people). Anyway, as for the idea that I'm the one arguing the other point, well, you probably haven't taken part in many of the other porn-related AfDs over the years. Speaking of that, in these types of AfDs, people who commonly !vote "delete" (again, not you), argue that the article doesn't have any independent sourcing from the subject, but "independent" always seems to be confused to suggest that most of the sources should be independent of pornography (pornography is a category; the title of the article itself is the subject). Erpert blah, blah, blah... 01:14, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete. Sandstein 09:14, 10 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Dagger (zine)

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Article PRODded with reason "References only present in-passing mentions. Fails

WP:GNG." DePRODded by article creator with reason New references, remove {{Proposed deletion}}". However, the added references are just more in-passing mentions. PROD reason still stands, hence: Delete. Randykitty (talk) 17:25, 14 February 2019 (UTC)[reply
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  • Somewhat agree, but I think you are using a fairly heavy-handed interpretation of GNG here. And to your point, that, "we don't keep articles just because they are not promotional" that is certainly your viewpoint, but that is not a standard that is uniformly applied to WP (nor do I believe it should be). Sourcing within WP is much different in my view than sourcing in say a peer-reviewed published article, for example, because of the dynamics of the internet, what people feel is "important" and the way older "internet 1.0" sites have been handled (aka, papered over as if they never existed). This mix of zeitgeist and temporal dynamics makes GNG a much less objective standard than WP would like us to believe. Of course that is my viewpoint, and I am sure you disagree, but this is a nice discussion so thank you! Ricksanchez (talk) 19:15, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete - Sadly there's just not enough for WP:GNG. The sources are thin, and their quality not great (with exceptions like Pitchfork, but there is just a mention). — Rhododendrites talk \\ 04:28, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - Hello, I am the writer of Dagger (zine). Dagger is a source of in-depth content, containing interviews, editorials, album reviews, live reviews and "Best Of" lists. Underground zines generally do not receive a lot of press coverage, since they are the press coverage. Dagger, in comparison with other zines that live unaffected on Wikipedia is well sourced. Second, Dagger is possibly the oldest continuous music zine still printed. At nearly thirty-two years old, Tim Hinely has contributed substantially to independent music journalism; he is an expert in the field, and well respected by contemporaries. Zines require a lot of effort to publish. Typing, printing, copying, folding and stapling; artist interviews, especially pre-internet, is about as difficult and time consuming as a senior project or thesis, multiple times a year. As an art form or academic effort, Dagger is prolific. Third, RandyKitty's first edit was to adjust formatting; with presumably no issue of notability. Calling the style I used (which is used in featured articles) "ugly," they reverted their edit, and put a tag asking for references. After adding references, I removed the tag according to its directions. Then, a deletion tag was put up. This incremental process is conflicting. I check their edits to see what kind of style and sourcing they preferred. I come upon Globalizations. Comparing the two articles (Dagger and Globalizations) I find RandyKitty's preference conflicting. This is not to place Globalizations in jeopardy. Maybe someone with access to other databases is able to find something? For example, Byrdie Green; an editor with a Newspapers.com account was able to locate sources. - NorthPark1417 (talk) 08:55, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. I'm going to ignore your comments about the formatting stuff (comment on the issues,
    notability. Most of what you write above isn't about the zine, but about Hinely. Perhaps Hinely himself is notable, but that is not the issue here. What is the issue here is that neither one of your first two points contribute to the notability of the zine. --Randykitty (talk) 10:51, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete. -- RoySmith (talk) 02:14, 9 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

IAG Consulting

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Article currently lacks reliable independent sources. A search shows a number of possible sources but nothing that looks to me like like it would properly support notability. Mccapra (talk) 22:18, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. ansh666 07:40, 9 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hillard Heintze

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Of the fifteen refs cited, 12 are to the organisation’s own website, one is a listing, one is not a ref about the company, and one is to a page updated so it no longer mentions Hillard Heintze. Notability not demonstrated. Mccapra (talk) 22:12, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Clear consensus that NACTOR (as the appropriate notability grounds) is clearly satisfied

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Yu Bo

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Delete There seems to be no single source in this article about this actor. It also doesn't mention anything about his career. Even though he did appear in some movies as the main character, there is no source that tells him about his date of birth. It fails

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The result was keep. Consensus that NGEO, as the appropriate notability guidelines, is satisfied

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Canyon Group

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Delete There seems to be little or no information about this geologic group in Texas. There is only one source in this article. It also fails

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The result was keep. Eagerly awaiting List of kosher Chinese restaurants. -- RoySmith (talk) 01:48, 9 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

List of kosher restaurants

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The previous discussion about the deletion of this article focused on the fact that there are innumerable kosher restaurants in the world and this list contains only a small selection of not particularly notable restaurants (and some of them are closed). All of that is true, but I would like to add another point to consider here. Many of the keep votes in the previous AfD discussion equated kosher cuisine with other types of ethnic cuisine. This is not an accurate comparison. Not all restaurants can categorically be called "kosher" or "not kosher". Different rabbinic authorities have different opinions about what's allowed and what's not. In fact, this particular list even includes Second Avenue Deli, whose kosher status is the subject of significant debate among kosher-observant Jews (and not for factual reasons but for reasons related to the requirements of kosher designation in the first place). Since it's really not possible to objectively categorize a restaurant as kosher or otherwise, this list can never be truly verified for accuracy. --דניאל - Dantheman531 21:23, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Tymon.r Do you have any questions? 02:06, 9 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ja'afar Mahmud Adam

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Does not meet

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The result was speedy keep. Bakazaka's analysis is compelling and the nomination is getting no traction with other editors.

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Lord Haw-Haw

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I redirected the page to William Joyce, since this is a duplicate of that article. Another editor removed the redirect with the edit summary “There was a clear consensus on the Talk page NOT to merge the articles.” First of all, a redirect and a merge are not the same thing. Second, I have issues with consensus on talk pages. Personally, I see no reason for duplicate articles with different titles. MensanDeltiologist (talk) 18:19, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep.

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List of people with bipolar disorder

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Recently an IP posted a proposed deletion of the page. I've removed the proposed deletion and am opening up a formal deletion discussion, as I feel that at the very least this is the type of thing that should be discussed. Here is their post:

"See

WP:BLP
issues."

I feel like a formal discussion will lay any concerns at rest one way or another. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (。◕‿◕。) 18:26, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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@Binksternet: What about Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of people with autism spectrum disorders? It seems to not be too much different. 2606:5580:30C:7F9E:D05B:81E5:63E3:29CD (talk) 19:39, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • My thought was that this could put rest to the concerns. I wasn't aware that he did this out of bad faith. Also, IP - please don't respond to every post. It's kind of heavy handed, as one post at the bottom of the page will do. This could be seen as harassment by these editors, as it's a bit much. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (。◕‿◕。) 20:05, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Natureium: What about Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of people with autism spectrum disorders? It seems to not be too much different. 2606:5580:30C:7F9E:D05B:81E5:63E3:29CD (talk) 19:39, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy keep. Having reviewed most of the cited sources on this page and familiarised myself with the Wikipedia guidelines for biographies, dismissing this proposal is obvious to me.Unoc (talk) 19:52, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Unoc: Should Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of people with autism spectrum disorders be undeleted then? 2606:5580:30C:7F9E:D05B:81E5:63E3:29CD (talk) 19:59, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Keep the discussion on this item regardless of similar lists. – The Grid (talk) 20:52, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply
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The result was redirect to Andrei Rublev (film). ansh666 07:42, 9 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The Passion According to Andrei

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This article is essentially a

WP:DUPLICATE of another very large GA-rated WP article called Andrei Rublev (film) with only tiny differences as shown by the article comparison tool (Comparison of The Passion According to Andrei and Andrei Rublev (film)
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The article author refuses to add references to support these small differences in this version of the film, or merge their small differences into the main article (they reverted an earlier merge by myself months ago). Their main reply to the lack of references for these small differences is to "see the film" (per Talk Page). The author granted his copy-article a GA-rating (since removed [25]). The references in

The Passion According to Andrei are simply copied from the Andrei Rublev (film)
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The

WP:POV
or just false.

Having persevered with this author for months now, awaiting references or some resolution of this situation, am now using AfD to see if we can resolve this and get community consensus on a Redirect to Andrei Rublev (film); and merge, to the extent any of these small edits are true/supportable/referenceable. Britishfinance (talk) 17:11, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This article has been reviewed as a valid article by Wikipedia and should be retained. In this case, these two films have two different chapter outlines and were released in different years. The first film was made in 1966. The second film was made and released in 1969. The Criterion Collection also released both films as separate films as a further indication of these being two separate films. The requesting editor Britishfinance appears to be upset that after posting this on the Talk page some weeks ago that no other editors have supported him. Similarly Britishfinance does not appear to have seen either one of these two films. Since the editorial board at the Criterion Collection has released these 2 films as two separate films with different titles, both of these articles at Wikipedia should be retained. The new article has already been reviewed by Wikipedia as proper and the article should be retained. CodexJustin (talk) 17:28, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. The
    Yellow Pages (and many directories) are RS, but being listed in them does not mean notability. The Passion According to Andrei doesn't even get listed in Rotten Tomatoes (although Andrei Rublev does [26]). This is a non-notable working title of a more famous film and is therefore a Redirect to Andrei Rubliv. Britishfinance (talk) 17:45, 2 March 2019 (UTC)[reply
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"Thanks for pinging me. WP:FILMPLOT reads, "The plot section describes the events of the original general release. Plot details in alternate versions released theatrically or on home media may be described in other sections if appropriately sourced." A separate article on The Passion According to Andrei is unwarranted, because it is currently too similar to the page Andrei Rublev (film) (and would likely remain too similar). I prefer the mere addition of a new section to Andrei Rublev (film). fer the mere addition of a new section to Andrei Rublev (film). AndrewOne (talk) 04:09, 2 March 2019 (UTC)"[reply]
  • That note from WP:Filmplot only works for films released under the same name. In this case, the two separate films were released as separate films with separate titles in different production years. The 1966 film was banned in Soviet Russia and it was illegal to show this film thereafter in Soviet Russia. The other separate film in 1969 was released as legal to circulate in Soviet Russia thereafter. The editorial board of The Criterion Collection has now released these as two separate films and the two separate articles on Wikipedia are useful and based on a reliable source which is the editorial board of The Criterion Collection. CodexJustin (talk) 17:07, 2 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • But your article has an almost identical plot to the Andrei Rublev article (per the comparison tool above); and no significant RS discusses your article title as significant; whereas there are lots of significant RS on Andrei Rublev (which is why it is the only notable cut). You are trying to "contrive" a case of separate notability using your own OR (as demonstrated by your comments above), which are not grounded in any significant independent RS, or by your own very small unrefrenced edits to the duplicate article. Britishfinance (talk) 02:16, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect Andrei Rublev is one of the greatest films ever created. The Passion According to Andrei should be covered in the same article as Andrei Rublev (film), as no RS identifies it as being independently notable. I am mystified by CodexJustin's insistence on using Criterion Collection's release as a basis for saying that The Passion is independently notable, as a cursory glance at Citerion's database page for the film Andrei Rublev confirms that the two versions of the film are included in the same box set, with "The Passion" labeled as a "Special Feature" of the film. Moreover, the films clock in at 183 and 205 minutes respectively–I would suspect that any separation of the two films on separate discs has less to do with their independence and more to do with the physical limitations of how much video you can store in one disc. signed, Rosguill talk 04:34, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect Andrei Rublev is one of the greatest films ever created. Since it is among the greatest films special efforts should be taken to safeguard it from poor editing. The edits for the 1969 film "Andrei Rublev" should go into the Wikipedia article for "Andrei Rublev". Similarly, edits for the 1966 film "The Passion" should go into the Wikipedia article for "The Passion". They should not be mixed up which is what the current separation of the article safeguards against. Previously, Wikipedia editors were forcing edits into the single article for the film indiscriminately and erroneously when they viewed the 1966 film and had nowhere else to put their edits. Since the chapter headings for the two films do not match up, Wikipedia editors previously would start forcing their edits into the article for the wrong film because there was no other article to put their edits. Now that the two articles for the two films have been separated, edits for the 1969 "Andrei Rublev" film should go into "Andrei Rublev" article, while edits for the 1966 "The Passion" film should go into "The Passion" article. Now that the article have been split and they have different Plot sections with different chapter divisions, and now that the different years have been distinguished for the two films with their different titles, then they should be kept as separate articles. To delete one article in preference to the other article is to perpetuate indefinitely the old Wikipedia problem of editors forcing their edits into one article for two separate films from different years. Both articles should be kept in order for this longstanding Wikipedia editing problem not to perpetuate indefinitely. CodexJustin (talk) 16:56, 4 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect - Clearly the same film, as can be seen by the virtual copying of the plot from the proposed target. This isn't even a close call. This is basically a "director's cut" of the classic film, with extra scenes thrown in. Indeed, this film was never actually released. Onel5969 TT me 16:04, 6 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
These are two separate films with separate outlines, released in different years and having different numbers of chapters. As you state, the 1966 film "The Passion" was never released in Soviet Russia and it was illegal to distribute this film in Soviet Russia. The other 1969 film "Andrei Rublev" was released in Soviet Russia and was released internationally in 1969. The two separate films with separate titles should not be confused. Edits for the film from 1966 titled "The Passion" should go into the Wikipedia article for "The Passion". Edits for the 1969 film "Andrei Rublev" should go into the Wikipedia article for "Andrei Rublev" in order to avoid distorting the article. Keep both articles in order to disambiguate edits with clarity and without ambiguity. CodexJustin (talk) 16:28, 6 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Michig (talk) 07:42, 9 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Larry Stone

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Almost certainly either a

WP:GNG. In my opinion it should be speedy deleted. GPL93 (talk) 16:32, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply
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includes "Major local political figures who have received significant press coverage". Larry Stone is one of the most notable, influential, and most quoted/interviewed of Santa Clara County local political figures - there are maybe 3 or 4 local regional politicians who can claim his level of influence, and a news search for references to him validates this.
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The result was delete. ansh666 07:42, 9 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Stipula

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Does not meed

WP:NCORP. The only sources are catalog listings of its products. Searching does not turn up significant in-depth coverage of the company. MB 15:54, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete. The collective impression from this discussion is that the author falls short of notability. While her work has been recognized, there not yet the depth or breadth of coverage to satisfy WP:Author or the GNG. Xymmax So let it be written So let it be done 18:15, 9 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Anita Bharti

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Fails

WP:ANYBIO by a few miles or so. WBGconverse 13:30, 14 February 2019 (UTC)[reply
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  • You will see a few more sources if you simply click on "books", "scholar" and "news" above, but with less coverage than the book that I linked. The subject may not quite make the notability bar, but she gets pretty damn close to it, so I'd like to be able to say that I'm surprised that two editors chose to belittle this Dalit feminist writer. Unfortunately I can't say that, because insults seem to be tolerated in AfD discussions when they are not elsewhere. ]
  • Phil Bridger
    , whilst I agree that Gn-Z11's taunt was needless; miles short is quite commonly used to represent a TOOSOON situation.
It appears that an analysis of the sources is necessary:-
1) GScholar is pretty much worthless to evaluate anyone in these areas. High citation-count certainly proves the subject to be notable but an absence does not prove to the contrary.
2) The news-section gives me 7 hits:-
(a) Bhadas4media is not remotely reliable. Neither is The Citizen; which seems to have published a press-release.
(b) There is a RSN consensus that Scroll.in is an unreliable source and in addition, there's quite much haziness about their broader journalistic practices.
(c) The Indian express source is reliable but name-drops her as a panelist of a part. section over a lit-fest.
(d)The Wire has been deemed to be primarily unreliable for it's non-distinguishing between objective reporting; editorial-reporting and opinion-columns.
(d)The Independent Article takes a byte from her and devotes a single line.
3) The books section gives me 3 hits:-
(a) The one you mention.
(b) Another one that mentions a poem by her in a footnote and nothing else about her.
(c) And, the last which yet devotes a single line in a footnote and mentions her efforts in recovering the literary works of a part. writer.
Barring the one you mention; it's pretty much nothing and even with that one; I am hardly convinced. Incidentally; that book mentions lots of authors, in a very-similar fashion.
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  • My mention of Google Scholar was nothing about citations, but about sources about the subject, just the same as the book and news sources are. As I said, the subject may not be notable, but should be given proper consideration in this discussion, just the same as a male Brahmin would, rather than being dismissed with such insults. ]
  • Thanks for the alert. If you don't like the implications of your insult then you shouldn't have made it in the first place. No deletion discussion should start with a statement that a subject that has several reliable sources in the article, and at least one better one available from the spoon-fed links elsewhere provided by the nomination process, fails notability guidelines "by a few miles or so". Your comment that "miles short is quite commonly used" in deletion discussions only underlines my point that such insults seem to be allowed in deletion discussions when they shouldn't be. ]
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  • Delete for sheer lack of ]
  • Keep As well as the book found by
    Phil Bridger, I have also found Dalit Studies, published by Duke University Press, which also has significant discussion of Bharti's work [28]. Not all of it is visible in this Google Books preview - the first result I see for her name starts "Bharti further suggests ...", and follows an omitted page. Visible discussion is on 3 pages of the book. I have also found two theses listed on WorldCat - "We fight!" Dalit feminist writing : analysis of a Hindi short story by Anita Bharti, a Lizenziatsarbeit from the Universität Zürich in 2015 [29], and Dalit Feminism and the Problematization of Patriarchy and Gender A Reading of Selected Short Stories by Urmila Pawar and Anita Bharti, unfortunately published by Lambert Academic Publishing [30] - but both those theses indicate that Bharti's work is being studied in universities. It would be useful to have a list of Bharti's published works in the article, to help in finding reviews. I think the heading "Literacy work" is meant to be Literary work, as the title underneath appears to translate as "Social Revolutionary: Gabdu Ram Balmiki". Other titles mentioned in sources include Samkaleen Narivaad Aur Dalit Stree Ka Pratirodh (Contemporary feminism and the resistance of Dalit women), a collection of short stories called Ek The Kotevalee, and a book of poetry she edited, Yathastithi se Takraate Hue Dalit Stree Jeewan se Judi Kavitaayein. It may be possible to find reviews, though probably easier with the titles in their original script. RebeccaGreen (talk) 15:43, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply
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Non-notable tv presenter. Only sources are a couple of promotional biographies and some gameshow episodes she hosted. Google search finds nothing useful. PC78 (talk) 01:12, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete.

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Unitrays

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Delete I mean, yeah, it's an unsourced article about a plastic tray with any cites nowhere to be found. –]
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The result was keep. There seems to be a consensus the subject meets

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Bernardin Pavlović

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Non-notable writer. A few sources mention him in passing, and facts about him appear to be scarce. The "importance" is claimed, but is unspecified and unsourced. GregorB (talk) 09:32, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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These are indeed all passing mentions, save for the last one, which is from a 1939 book titled Naša Gospa od Zdravlja i njezina slava, by Ante Crnica [hr]. In it, there is a chapter dedicated to B. Pavlović ([37], pp. 215-220). It does mention his 1747 work, but does not assert its importance either. In particular, looking at this chapter, I cannot find anything of significance that would count towards WP:NAUTHOR. GregorB (talk) 17:33, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Weak keep This is a difficult subject to comment on. The article claims that the subject's published works were an important development in the Croatian language. The article about the Croatian language has a total of one sentence about the 18th century, saying "However, this first linguistic renaissance in Croatia was halted ..... in 1671. Subsequently, the Croatian elite in the 18th century gradually abandoned this combined Croatian standard." The next para in that article is about the 19th century. So whatever happened in the development of the Croatian language in the 18th century, English Wikipedia has no information about. Croatian Wikipedia has a longer section about that time period, which mentions a few authors but not Bernardin Pavlović.
There are certainly sources with more information about him, but most only have snippet views available on Google Books. The journal Mogućnosti, Volume 44, Issues 1-9, p 10 (1997), has an article which includes these lines (visible in the Google Books search result, but not in the snippet view; translation by Google Translate): "On May 6, 1730, Bernardin Pavlovic reached the Duchab on May 6, 1730, asking the statesman to reach the church authorities and proclaimed him a legitimate and legitimate place of residence, but the subsequent events reduced things faster than he thought. God. 1731. proclaims plague ." A 1934 source, Danica, shows in the Google Book search results the lines "Bernardin Pavlovic, Elder Franciscan, Our Lady's image of this fence. Archbishop of the Priest came to the other side of the fence and at that place solemnly blessed the image of Our Lady by finding that he was exposed to worship in one beautiful place .." Again, the snippet view does not show that part of the page, and it's not at all clear what this is about, or how much there is about Bernardin Pavlovic, but, like the 1997 source, it does seem to be about something other than his publications.
My conclusion from these very partial glimpses of sources is that, including the 1939 book linked above, I think enough probably does exist for him to meet
WP:GNG. The sources which mention him date from at least the mid 1800s to the 2000s, so there is certainly sustained coverage. (Is there a National Dictionary of Biography for Croatia or any of its predecessor states? He seems the kind of person who might be included.) RebeccaGreen (talk) 11:16, 2 March 2019 (UTC)[reply
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The result was keep.

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List of recurring Monty Python's Flying Circus characters

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100% unsourced. This is a mix of

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Sourcing has now been added to the article. Thank you to User:Spinningspark for that. I now withdraw this nomination, and return you to getting hit over the head lessons, already in progress. -- RoySmith (talk) 13:57, 6 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Could you please provide specific sources? -- RoySmith (talk) 22:15, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
This is a pretty typical Andrew tactic, claiming there are sources without actually linking any. He will likely either ignore the above request for specifics, or come back with a list of sources he hasn't read that, if anyone actually checked them, would support the assertion that this topic nothing but OR. Hijiri 88 (やや) 01:55, 2 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Searching news results for Morty Python and then each name of a reoccurring character might prove if the things listed are notable. [44] Found brief mention for Nude Organist, but not much. Back when the show was on, where was it reviewed at, and did they mention these characters in reviews? Dream Focus 21:47, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete or at least redirect to Monty Python's Flying Circus and protect to prevent unilateral recreation The fact that so many of these "characters" don't even have names supports the idea that it is OR to call them recurring characters. Maybe some of them actually are and reliable sources could be found to support that assertion, but the fact that no one has in more than 12 years makes me somewhat skeptical. Hijiri 88 (やや) 01:55, 2 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep ]
I'll be happy to withdraw my nomination if you can find good sourcing. That book certainly looks promising, but I'm not yet convinced. I looked up one character, the naked organist. All I could find was a passing mention on page 9: "Jones ... also appeared as a hustler, a naked organist, a salesman ..." That's better than what we've got now (i.e. nothing), but it's a far cry from discussing the character in detail. To be fair, I only spot-checked this one. I'll be happy to look at more when you find them. -- RoySmith (talk) 02:34, 2 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Your edit summary was (afd spam keep). You have to actually say keep here and list a reason why for it to be counted. Dream Focus 06:22, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
They did say "keep", and in bold too. "Spam" may not be a policy-based reason for keep, but it is a reason. SpinningSpark 10:51, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oh! I normally just filter out spam so didn't notice the "keep" in there. Dream Focus 14:49, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It still needs sources. Right now, the article doesn't have any. -- RoySmith (talk) 14:56, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, the article should be sourced, but maintaining a "delete" position once you know that sources exist is an unconstructive attitude. Notability depends on the existence of sources, not their presence in the article. That's in the notability guidelines at
deletion policy pointedly does not give absence of citations as a valid reason for deletion. "Spam spam spam" above has as much policy-based rationale as yours. SpinningSpark 15:33, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply
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Well, if we're going to wikilawyer this to death, I'll counter
WP:UNSOURCED, which says, Any material lacking a reliable source directly supporting it may be removed. So, since there's no sources in the article, should I go ahead and blank the entire article? -- RoySmith (talk) 18:14, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply
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The important word there is may. Just because you can blank something does not mean you should. It would be
POINTy to blank something you know full well can be sourced. You've got sources now, so you could SOFIXIT if it's troubling you that much. I won't be wasting effort working on it or risking adding to my deleted edits while people are still trying to get it deleted. SpinningSpark 18:41, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply
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I have no interest in fixing it. I think it's total
WP:FANCRUFT and doesn't serve any useful purpose. If somebody put in the effort to carefully reference the article, then at least it would be well-sourced fancruft. It doesn't sound like you're willing to put in the effort either. It's one thing to spend a few minutes googling and find some books about the Pythons. In quite another (much harder) thing to carefully go through the article and find backup for each statement. At this point, we're running 5:3 in favor of keeping, so it's unlikely your efforts would be wasted. How long do you think it would take you to finish the referencing job? Would a month be enough time? I'd be willing to withdraw this nomination now, with the proviso that I'll come back and look at the article in a month and if it's still not sourced, I'll re-nominate it. -- RoySmith (talk) 19:25, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply
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It would be
POINTy to blank something you know full well can be sourced. Umm ... no ... there are lots of reasons not to include something other than it not being sourceable. Since most of this stuff is "plot summary" (such as it could be for something like MPFC) it can technically be sourced to the show itself (and believe me, it hurts to say that), so it's a given that that information "can be sourced". I'm frankly shocked to see an admin express such a poor understanding of how Wikipedia is supposed to work -- you really have to explain how I'm just misinterpreting what you meant. Hijiri 88 (やや) 23:44, 4 March 2019 (UTC)[reply
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It's a reasonable response to criticism that a passage is unsourced. If the fundamental problem is something else then raising the sourcing issue is wasting other people's time if one is not going to be swayed no matter what sources are found. SpinningSpark 00:23, 5 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
My original objections were that this is unsourced,
WP:OR
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WP:CHEAP, and a series of RFCs that resulted in a clear (near-unanimous, if I recall) consensus that AFD is the correct place to propose "redirecting, not merging, as the content is crap and should not be kept elsewhere", saying that this is the last preferred method of dealing with articles is not even true as a technicality. Hijiri 88 (やや) 15:45, 5 March 2019 (UTC)[reply
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apparently you have either not read, or choose to ignore, the plain words of
WP:Before. We will have to agree to disagree on its interpretation. 7&6=thirteen () 16:54, 5 March 2019 (UTC)[reply
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The very first words of the nom are "100% unsourced". It is perfectly reasonable to comment on the noms failure to look for sources when they raised the issue themselves. SpinningSpark 18:04, 5 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
No, it is not. "100% unsourced" is not the same as "Not notable -- I searched for sources and found none". The requirement to do a source search only applies when one feels the topic is not notable, which is not what the nom said. Saying the article is garbage because the topic is not of encyclopedic value, which the existence of sources would not help, and also pointing out that the present article is particularly bad because it seems to consist of nothing but OR, is not the same thing. This "Topic is notable! Keep! You have not read
WP:BEFORE!" strawman argument that I see popping up in hundreds of AFDs really needs to stop. "Hijiri 88 (やや) 23:42, 5 March 2019 (UTC)[reply
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90% of the nom talks about sourcing. PLOT and OR formed the rest, but these are not insuperable problems in an article, and are not of themselves deletion criteria (although TNT might sometimes apply). If the nominator wanted to make a WP:NOT argument, they should have said so and named the category of NOT they felt it came under. Then you might then have got responses to that rather than the sourcing. SpinningSpark 00:08, 6 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I have now thoroughly referenced the page and added out-of-universe influences and references and other real world information to address the WP:PLOT issue. I thank RoySmith for withdrawing the nomination even before that job was half complete. I have also added more spam to the article which it was clearly lacking. SpinningSpark 23:02, 6 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Duplicates a section of the article Christogram and adds nothing new. keypunch (talk) 13:33, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. ~ Amory (utc) 18:02, 8 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Dapp Life

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Non notable crypto publication. Not cited in any reliable sources and no coverage. Praxidicae (talk) 13:02, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep: Just to make it clear why I have reverted speedy deletion tag second time: Biwom placed a speedy deletion tag as I believe he has a personal issues with my presense on Wikipedia, you can check his talk page and you will see that. Also note to admins (regardless of what the outcome of this discussion will be) Biwom has been flagged multiple times for disruptive editing as the only thing he does on Wikipedia is nominating pages for deletion, which is kind of disruptive negative patern. I'm greatful for the editor who did Prod because he did a correct edit by placing Prod, so that we can have discussion, instead of adding another speed tag. As of whether its notable or not, I've placed notability tag as I'm usually creating small stubs upon which other can expand. If it has to be deleted so be it and I have no issues with that, but I'm strictly against personal attacks which Biwom clearly has against me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jone Rohne Nester (talkcontribs) 22:02, March 1, 2019 (UTC)
you need to comment on content, not contributors. Any issues you two have can be dealt with elsewhere but this is not the appropriate place to do it. Praxidicae (talk) 22:04, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. I'm not sure why this was relisted, there is clear consensus to delete based on both NFOOTY and GNG failure Fenix down (talk) 13:30, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Jhai Singh Dhillon

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Deleted as PROD by @

fully-professional leagues.) GiantSnowman 12:17, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply
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I appreciate the comments above, however

Chelsea F.C. In terms of international games, he has played in two CONIFA World Football Cup, one of which he finished as a runner up with his national team Panjab football team, who he still represents. His name features in several BBC News articles relating to association football and to this day he remains a member of the Professional Footballers' Association
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Again I understand he may not be a household name, however I feel the above makes him "notable".

Is there anyway we can amend certain parts of the article, to meet your requirements? As I feel the criteria for being notable is not black and white here. Thanks in advance for your help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikipagecreator101 (talkcontribs)

@Wikipagecreator101: - none of that is sufficient. Being part of a professional squad is not enough - players need to actually play. GiantSnowman 19:14, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to Women's football in Brunei. Fenix down (talk) 14:25, 8 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Brunei women's national football team

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According to the article, the team doesn't exist. Can't see any sources online either. WikiArticleEditor (talk) 12:34, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Michig (talk) 07:43, 9 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Visioncon

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After a quick search I doubt this will meet

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The result was keep. I was a little surprised by the outcome here but hey, learn something new every day! There was some discussion below about potentially merging this; it sort of petered out and I don't think there's vast agreement on that front, but it doesn't seem there's great opposition to it. That is to say, there's consensus that this material should be kept, so this is a "keep" close, but there may perhaps be value in having further conversation on exactly where it is kept. ~ Amory (utc) 18:07, 8 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

List of airports in Poland with unpaved runways

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Just

WP:LISTCRUFT. Mostly unsourced and generally an unencyclopedic topic Ajf773 (talk) 08:20, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply
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  • The lead of this article already makes it clear that this is not a list of strips of grass where a very small airplane could land: "Since almost any approved flat area can be assigned as landing area or airfield, the following list is limited to unpaved airfields with a distinct purpose and functionality". ]
  • Here is an official list of currently operating airports from the Polish Civil Aviation Authority. Those with unpaved runways are marked "bez nawierzchni sztucznej" in the "Rodzaj nawierzchni" column. ]
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The result was delete. Lourdes 08:12, 9 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Heinz Indermaur

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Fails

WP:NPOL. Has only held minor local positions and local political party office. Reywas92Talk 07:21, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply
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  • Keep as subject is a municipal official from a major Swiss city (City councillors and other major municipal officers are not automatically notable, although precedent has tended to favor keeping members of the main citywide government of internationally famous metropolitan per WP:Notability). Sources show that Indermaur is written about in Swiss press. -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 18:44, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • All sources are local press in St. Gallen, not wider Swiss press, a city of only 75,000 people, not an "internationally famous metropolitan area" (
      WP:POLOUTCOMES). Head of social services is not a significant municipal official; such administrators are rarely notable even for major US cities and states. Reywas92Talk 19:10, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply
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St. Gallen is the eighth largest city in Switzerland and one of the largest in Eastern Switzerland. Remember, this is a big city for a small country. Switzerland's
largest city has approximately 409,000 inhabitants. St. Gallen is home to University of St. Gallen and in the twentieth century was Switzerland's largest exporter of textiles. It is a significant metropolitan area. -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 23:34, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply
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WP:NPOL doesn't say that coverage has to come from outside of the area they serve. A politician who has received "significant press coverage" has been written about, in depth, independently in multiple news feature articles, by journalists. That can be local news articles so long as there is significant coverage in them. -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 14:18, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply
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All local politicians receive local coverage, so if we use such a low standard, all politicians would have to be included.--]
That's quite a claim. I, for one, cannot find substantial local coverage for every politician in my city. -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 15:46, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. ~ Amory (utc) 18:10, 8 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Rebecca Indermaur

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Non-notable actress, fails

WP:ENT. None of the sources have any substantive information about her, they are mainly context-free credits listings in minor films (and her own Linkedin page, sheesh). Reywas92Talk 07:18, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply
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  • Keep. Before nominating an article for deletion that is clearly a subject from a non-English speaking country, I would suggest searching for sources outside of English. Since the subject is a Swiss national, perhaps search for sources in German, French, Italian, and Romansh. Before nominating an article for deletion, Wikipedia suggests that the nominator:
- Check if there are interlanguage links, also in the sidebar, which may lead to more developed and better-sourced articles. Likewise, search for native-language sources if the subject has a name in a non-Latin alphabet (such as Japanese or Greek), which is often in the lede.
- Consider whether the article could be improved rather than deleted
- If the article can be fixed through normal editing, then it is not a candidate for AfD.
- If an article has issues try first raising your concerns on the article's talk page, with the main contributors, or an associated WikiProject, and/or adding a cleanup tag; this ensures readers are aware of the problem and may act to remedy it.
These steps were not done prior to the nomination. She has been written about in Swiss press and has had lead, supporting, and minor roles in Swiss films, not "minor films". Are they Hollywood productions? No, but they are clearly notable in Switzerland.
Amur senza fin (as reported here) which in itself seems like a qualifier for notability. -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 18:30, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply
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Doesn't appear so. There was also no effort made on your part to improve before nominating. While it may not seem significant internationally, it is in Switzerland. And this article is about her as an actress and learning Romansh in order to perform the role. Hardly just about the film. Just because something isn't the focus of English press does not mean it isn't notable, regardles of your ]
Lol it's not my job to improve an article I don't find notable; that just means AFD is not for article clean-up. And the "opinion" link is about original research in articles - of course all discussion pages are opinion-based! OK there's one short article in Switzerland's tabloid about her preparation for the film, that still doesn't pass GNG. Reywas92Talk 19:43, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
No, it isn't your job. But your focus should be on improving Wikipedia, and not having what feels like a personal vendetta against articles I've written or contributed to (not to mention the vast difference in tone you have used between conversations with other editors vs. conversations with me, but that's a discussion for another time and place). The opinion link does focus on original research in articles, as I am aware, but I linked it because you appear to be making an original analysis of the primary-source material regarding the subject. While yes, AFDs are opinion-based it is crucial to think about context. Blick is not a tabloid. While, in the early 2000s it was, the paper reverted back to a broadsheet daily newspaper in 2009. -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 19:51, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. bd2412 T 05:53, 9 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Effect.AI

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unreliable connected sources. ToT89 (talk) 07:13, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Also worth noting, creator has just been topic banned User_talk:Shuwun1991#Topic_banned_for_promotional_editing Dr-Bracket (talk) 00:40, 7 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. Excluding ducks and socks, the consensus evident in this discussion is to keep the article. Discussion about article content, renaming, forking, merging can be taken up on the article's talk page. Lourdes 08:07, 9 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

SkyWay Group

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Simply doesn't meet

WP:SPAs who have been editing the page who may show up in the comments below. Just an FYI for the closing admin). CNMall41 (talk) 04:56, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply
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  • Delete. The article, as i see, has the only one goal to defame some organization. It is written negatively and it is on purpose. It is about a group of companies that does not exist legally. The absence of direct evidence proves it. But it mentions the name of some technical project, that was mentionet positively on different sources. For example: [1] Here there are only negative sources selected.
The aforementioned article alleges that Skyway have never implemented a single project, although they have just created the first product of the range, and the rest is still being created. For any sane person it is obvious that such a sophisticated commercial product as a transport and infrastructure complex cannot be implemented in such a short time.
The warnings from banks mentioned in the article apply to companies that have no relation to the transport developer company. Moreover, the warnings themselves are not an evidence of fraud, but the article presents them as if they are a proof of something.
The article alleges that there is no technology at all, that Skyway is only a fundraiser, which is a lie.
We can learn about developer on official site http://sw-tech.by/
In general, the article is written at a level that does not correspond to the reputation of such a serious encyclopedic edition, like wikipedia.
In connection with all the above, I kindly ask you to remove this article. Igor Koiro (talk) 10:06, 1 March 2019 striking sock contribution (UTC) Igor Koiro (talkcontribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
  • Comment @Igor Koiro: Word up! I would call the entry somehow like “Fear of SkyWay non-implementation” that is really irrelevant to be covered in objective knowledge base that Wikipedia is. Taking into consideration Rail_transport history it’s like to draw a new house project, to lay the foundation and just next morning to claim its failure of building… If smb intends to warn he will better to post warnings on appropriate platforms or to think about creating of a warningpedia. I’m voting for deletion too! striking sock contribution
  • Comment @
    WP:AFD
    will consider are:
1. Is this a notable company or group that appears in several significant independent and reliable sources (per
WP:NCORP
) – if not, it will get deleted?
2. If it passes GNG, we also ask (although this is not specifically an AfD purpose), whether this material is:
2a. An unambiguous attack page and therefore should be deleted immediately under
WP:G10
, and/or
2b. A page with such biased content (e.g.
WP:TNT
case (e.g. if you started editing it, it would end up blank).
If this article survives the above challenges, then it will probably will survive AfD. If you want to contribute, you should read the above WP policies, and be more precise in your comments on this page. You can add internet pages/references from the internet using by enclosing the URL in hard brackets like this SkyWay scam warning in New Zealand. Britishfinance (talk) 12:56, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I have found no evidence yet stating that the SkyWay Group is itself a legal entity. Furthermore, the SPA himself states, "It is about a group of companies that does not exist legally." This is not to say the group does not exist or that it is "illegal". However, it is a non-legal entity AFAIK. So regarding this specfic point, the SPA did not contradict himself. talk2siNkarma86—Expert Sectioneer of Wikipedia 15:15, 2 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment @Igor Koiro: You provided 2 links and both are self-published materials. www.technology.org says clearly: "Source: SkyWay". Your account is created just recently and it is probably one of sockpuppets of User:Yauheni moskov (admins, please check). You have chosen the name of known critic of Skyway so I don't think that this opinion is independent.Dron007 (talk) 14:15, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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WP:SPA - an account created with only one purpose. He edits the SkyWay group page. This member takes an active part in the discussion of all headings and edits of this article only. All his edits concern only this section. He leads a discussion with all participants on their pages and discusses the section only negatively. Leonid Kotvitsky 73 year (talk) 11:25, 5 March 2019 (UTC)[reply
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See my activity since 2006 in Russian Wikipedia.Dron007 (talk) 19:41, 5 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Dron007 is username similar to the one actively trolling SkyWay on the web. striking sock contribution — Preceding unsigned comment added by JeromeRRR (talkcontribs) 17:12, 5 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Careful with untrue accusations Leonid Kotvitsky. Look at the talk page sub-heading 'String Transport→SkyWay Group name change' for discussion with user:Dron007 about careful alteration of misleading wording to PREVENT untrue negative implication for the SkyWay group. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zaxander (talkcontribs) 17:05, 5 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment @Igor Koiro: It should be mentioned here Igor Koiro suggests that the regulatory warnings from banks don't actually mean anything in particular or aren't referring to particular instances of fraud. It need to be said here that these references DO say something: that an internationally recognized organization has issued a very particular warning to the public of any given country that they should not invest in this specific company because it is illegal, risky and dangerous to do so. The fact that so many countries have issued different types of warnings about different aspects of the company demonstrates how notable and pervasive the marketing techniques of these companies have been. They are hardly empty warnings, and each one is different for the specificities of the marketing plan applied in their country. There are also REPEATED warnings like the 7 times SkyWay group companies are mentioned by CONSOB, the Italian regulatory agency, from 2014 to 2019. -Zachar Laskewicz (talk) 22:05, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment @
    WP:G10 to create a WP article about a company fitting not to WP:NCORP containing only list of warnings and nothing more. striking sock contribution — Preceding unsigned comment added by JeromeRRR (talkcontribs
    ) 5 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Delete.
    WP:SYN In this article, references to sources of information do not meet encyclopedic requirements. Instead of the definitions of SkyWay Capital Ltd and Eurasian Rail Skyway Systems Ltd, these names include links to articles in the media that are destructive in nature. The author deliberately cites facts in a negative way. This violates the basic principle of Wikipedia - neutrality. Leonid Kotvitsky 73 year (talk) 12:08, 5 March 2019 (UTC)[reply
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  • Keep. PLEASE DO NOT DELETE THIS ARTICLE - help improve it. It seems to me like there are a lot of published verifiable sources on this subject. There are definitely users who regularly post unverifiable propaganda in concerted editing wars but we are trying to make sure that such postings are quickly removed. Users have been going to considerable effort to translate articles from different languages from third-party verifiable sources and to collate a wide-variety of different published sources to build up a set of data about this set of companies and its practices. We are trying to use the talk page to achieve consensus before publishing to the article. But it's easy to panic if an edit war starts and large sets of changes start to be made which undermine all the good research which has been done. Recently the article name has changed. It has been agreed upon that there is not enough verifiable scientific research to justify covering the 'string transport' of the old title and that the sum of verifiable research we do have (which is growing by the day) concerns the companies who promote the science (as opposed to the 'science' on which it is very difficult to find third-party assessments at all). The name change was approved and we've attempted to update the article accordingly.
The last couple of days has seen consistent efforts by new users to add self-promoting unverified propaganda to the article. It has been a very concerted effort to make changes to undermine the article and its structure. But we've been doing our best to return it to how it was before these attacks and then gradually improve it in a fashion which achieves consensus among users. But such attacks make it difficult for change to be consistent and constant. There are obviously parties who are better served by this article being completely changed or removed. Before the name change had occurred I would have aupported a deletion as well. The unverified self-promoting resources made the article very confusing. But since the article has changed to an analysis of the SkyWay companies, it seems to me an enormous pity to remove the only place where balanced, critical voices on a subject can be brought together. If this site is deleted, the first access people who use an internet search engine will get are to the pages and pages of self-published 'SkyWay' propaganda. The many, many articles in Greek, German, Lithuanian, Indonesian, Italian, Russian and Arabic will be ignored. People will not have a chance to share their data at the talk page. They will be silenced. In other words, people will be misinformed. I agree that something has to be done to ensure that this article is protected and edited responsibly; in its best form it was hardly perfect but that doesn't mean it should be removed. Being critical of the article just because you don't like its contents will not solve the very real problems its removal will create: a misinformation vacuum.–Zachar Laskewicz (talk) 10:19, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • @
    WP:CORPDEPTH
    and be a Wikipedia article basis. In my point of view such concern based post is rather worthy a specific forum / community board topic and I’m leaning toward this article deletion more than its improving. It seems to be more reasonable to publish another one including both pros and cons based on really reliable refers.
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DELFI article (Lithuanian)[48] - Letteraemme article (Italian)[49] - Translations: user:Zaxander
Prepare to be surprised as I still do not find these references to meet
WP:SYNTH. The references need to talk in-depth about the company, not mention the company and talk in-depth about the founder.--CNMall41 (talk) 21:45, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply
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Yeah you surprised me. What do you actually mean? Are you trying to say that there is not enough notable material about either the technology or the businesses? Or that we should actually go back to how it was when the article was about the science? Because the company itself goes out of its way to make a connection between the science and the companies. That they are one and the same. And besides, although the article may say the name 'Yunitskiy' it is clear that they are not actually referring to what HE does personally, but what his companies do. You have to deliberately go out of your way NOT to see a connection between them. When an individual directs and own companies it is only natural that you'll use his name to refer to what the companies do. Sorry but you're clutching at straws if you're saying that the Lithuanian article is in fact about Yutnitskiy and not his companies. Besides the article doesn't just talk about Yutnitskiy - it talks about him and his representatives, i.e. it's talking about the SkyWay companies. And then there's all the official warnings for SkyWay companies from regulatory organisations. They don't mention Yunitskiy at all. There are enough references that comment on either the notability of either the SkyWay companies OR Yunitskiy, OR BOTH AT THE SAME TIME. How much notoriety do you actually need? –Zachar Laskewicz (talk) 22:28, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I am saying the exact same thing I have said since I recommended the page for deletion. The company does not meet notability guidelines. What the company does to connect itself to the technology is irrelevant. I am not sure how to say this more clearly, but your assessment above is useless without being able to show ]
Also, in your deletion request you state that the article is 'riddled with unreliable references and independent research'. I'm intimately familiar with all the references that are referred to. There is no independent research and a large number of the references are to very reliable sources such as national banks. On exactly what are you claiming that the article is riddled with independent research and unreliable references? It doesn't make any sense and incorrect assumptions like this would suggest that you or whoever actually made the request for deletion is deliberately ignoring or obscuring the facts.–Zachar Laskewicz (talk) 22:45, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Your misquote of me above needs to be corrected. I am not sure how you missed it since it is literally written above. I did not say "riddle with unreliable references and independent research." I said "riddled with original research, unreliable sources, and WP:SYNTH." If you would read
WP:ORGCRIT which is the guideline specific to the references required to establish notability on companies, please show me any of the current references from a national bank meet that criteria. --CNMall41 (talk) 07:29, 2 March 2019 (UTC)[reply
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And I love this in the deletion request 'there are a number of blocked accounts and WP:SPAs who have been editing the page who may show up in the comments below'. Does that sound strange to anyone else that you have to warn people about the possible danger of people who just might comment negatively on the deletion request? So have any of the blocked users you warn us about, have they actually been responding? And if they have: so what?!! Why would you possibly need to warn us about that? How can you actually justify negatively influencing us about the supposed dangers of users who may make themselves heard and who may once have been blocked? Surely anyone's opinion is equally valid. Or are you trying to insinuate that if there are negative comments they are probably posted by users who have edited the page and who probably have been blockied? Why on earth would you do that? –Zachar Laskewicz (talk) 23:12, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I am glad you love it. Now that you ventured beyond assuming good faith, let me be clear about a few things. First, the statement was made for administrators, of which you are not. If you took the time to read (which you haven't given your misquote above between "independent research" and "original research"), you would see that. I have no idea what the SPA or SPI accounts have in mind when they edit this article. Some may want to keep the page and others may not. I don't really care, but left the message for the closing admin which is not uncommon and not meant to swing a vote my way. I don't tolerate drama. If you feel I have violated Wikipedia guidelines by posting that above, please take me to
WP:ORGCRIT. At this point, your arguments are ad nauseam --CNMall41 (talk) 07:36, 2 March 2019 (UTC)[reply
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Ihanks for informing me about all that. It still seems pretty strange but I am the only one who mentioned it so I'll just have to accept that it looked strange to me and me alone and comes from my ignorance. I actually do assume your good faith. I'm just trying to understand the basis for the argumentation and the pretty strange wording of the deletion request. You're actually saying that the references from the national banks are not reliable? And if not, if we can prove they are reliable resources then will the subject be considered notable? If this subject is really not worthy of an article because it simply not being notable enough then I've wasted a lot of my time researching a subject which has influenced people I know and stolen a lot of their money. And they did that thanks to them being misinformed by a Wikipedia article which inflated the science and which they wrongly assumed was fact and was therefore a good way to invest their money. I'm all for a deletion but considering what would come in its place, i.e. pages and pages of misinformation, it seems an enormous pity. Surely you would concede that the references that do exist won't disappear or become any less true in the future if you accept they're true now, and therefore that in the future more references will only accumulate knowledge and make the companies MORE notable not less? Surely there should be a place to collect this data? And here I'm referring only to third-party assessments, not self-aggrandizing propaganda. –Zachar Laskewicz (talk) 12:45, 2 March 2019 (UTC)'[reply]
@CNMall41: Checking for clarity here: are you really claiming that national banks and regulatory agencies are in any way unreliable sources? I could possibly see why you could question 'banks' in a general sense; they've hardly got the best reputation at the moment. But 'National Banks' which are internationally recognized organisations that represent national interests. And a large number of them have commented on SkyWay companies as included in the links below which I checked in comparison to the Wikipedia guideline for the notability of companies. It's really hard to imagine that there are sources which make something more notable than that.–Zachar Laskewicz (talk) 21:23, 2 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Do you know why the Russian version of the Wiki article on SkyWay was deleted? Maybe there is something to learn from that which might apply here. siNkarma86—Expert Sectioneer of Wikipedia 14:01, 2 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Kmarinas86:I actually don't know why it was deleted. We assume that it was because there wasn't enough scientific research; it was after all an article about 'String transport' and not the company. And although it may be easy to assume they didn't change the article into a discussion of the company like we have here because they didn't have the verifiable resources we have now, we don't actually have any proof this is true. Surely that would be easy to follow up? It's certainly an interesting question. –Zachar Laskewicz (talk) 14:22, 2 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Kmarinas86: It was deleted in 2016 and the reason was absense of notability. That was so in 2016 but now we have enough sources. I don't know why it is still not possible to create the Russian version.Dron007 (talk) 21:03, 2 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. The only issue I can see is that there are not many sources in the English language. But those that are there seem to indicate sufficient notability. Any concerns over its neutrality should be addressed within the article. They are not reasons for deleting the article. --Escape Orbit (Talk) 12:55, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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CNMall41, Sorry, I shoud have been clearer. I was refering to reasons given above by Igor Koiro, which at the time of my comment was the only support for deletion. --Escape Orbit (Talk) 23:11, 2 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete Comment [(from Zaxander, don't !vote twice)] Pay attention! The article was in the section "Technologies" and the tags in the article remain the same: "categories: monorails, proposed rail transport, infrastructure, rail transport, all modes of transport." The page is already indexed and has a rating in search engines for direct requests, so the page was specially stolen.
The content does not correspond to the description of the technology and has no encyclopedic value.
If the article is about the company, you need to describe the history of the company. The company is little known and is actually a startup of
WP:G10 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leonid Kotvitsky 73 year (talkcontribs) 14:15, 5 March 2019 (UTC) Leonid Kotvitsky 73 year (talk) 14:18, 5 March 2019 (UTC)[reply
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Comment: @Leonid Kotvitsky: On the talk page of the SkyWay Group article a sub-heading was added ages ago to discuss the important issue of changing the 'Categories' and the 'See also' links which are misleading. The 'see also' links have already been updated to included MLMs and crowdfunding. These categories, however, need to be discussed and consensus needs to be reached before they are changed. That is no good reason for questioning the validity of the content. No one wants to destroy the reputation of a company. They just want verifiable resources well-represented and not distorted.–Zachar Laskewicz (talk) 17:20, 5 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Three years ago the topic was not notable, article contained 100% of self-promoted materials and could be deleted safely. Now there are many independent materials about Skyway especially after entering UAE market and signing MoU with Roads and Transport Authority. The problem is that this group of companies tries to enter different international markets and many materials are localized (India, Lithuania, Indonesia) or have only Russian versions because there are many investors from Russia and Belarus. Another problem is that it is MLM company and investors are very interested in creating positive image of the company. So there are many advertisement materials we need to filter. I agree that some sentences should be reformulated to make the article neutral but that is not the reason for removing the article. I may look as a
    WP:SPA but my account was created in 2006. This topic is interesting for me and I wish the article became a good starting point for readers who want to know valid information about this company/technology. If we delete the article they will most probably get one of many promoted materials. Dron007 (talk) 14:57, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply
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WP:ORGCRIT? If the page is kept after this discussion, everyone can certainly work on the content issues. But, it makes no sense to go through that process if the topic isn't notable. --CNMall41 (talk) 16:13, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply
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Let's take Australian project, cancelled now. It was covered by popular news sites of Adelaide: [50] [51] [52] [53] (some problems opening last one now. Text is available here: [54]). So it has "significant coverage in multiple reliable independent secondary sources". Sources for Lithuania, India, Indonesia, UAE present in the article. Whole articles are about SkyWay, it is not just one-line mention. Of course most information exists in Belarus and Russian sites. Many of them independent like Onliner, Tut.By mentioned in the articles. There are many not mentioned yet like [55] or Popular Mechanics: [56] (it is placed on Skyway partner site but it is PDF of the printed version of the magazine. I cannot find it placed in the other place now.) Dron007 (talk) 21:00, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I will go through these one by one. However, this is a page about the company, not the technology. References will need to meet
WP:ORGCRIT
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3. This reference is a podcast and hardly something that is fact-checked (meaning it would not be reliable as it is just one person's opinon). It is also about the technology, not the company.
4. - SAA
5. - Not in-depth about the company as it mainly talks about the technology. In fact, it is basically
WP:SPIP
as the majority of the article is quotes from the company founder.
6/7. Again, this one focuses on the technology, not the company. I would also consider this routine coverage as it simply announces that the technology will be installed at a specific location. What specific information in this reference is about the company?
The last two references are in Russian. The Popular Mechanics article I cannot translate as it is PDF format. However, the first one I used Google Translate for and it is solely about the technology again. There is nothing in there specifically about the company (founding, funding, etc.). This page is simply using the company technology in an attempt to show the company is notable. That's now how ]
FIVEaa is not a one person's podcast but one of the biggest Adelaide's radio stations notable enough to have its own Wikipedia article FIVEaa
I agree that these articles tell us about technology because it is the only product of SkyWay group of companies. But it is also about projects, investments and they mention company which realise these projects. In the article above it is stated that "Mr Hook travelled to Belarus last year to meet Dr Yunitskiy and they have now formed SkyWay Transport Australia to push the idea in Adelaide." Isn't it information about the company? Nobody else offers this technology (according to Yunitsky) so we cannot separate the technology from Skyway company and from Yunitskiy. If any of these three (technology, projects, company) is notable (and it is!) we need to have just one article covering them all. That's why I think that our article should have more information about technology and projects.Dron007 (talk) 01:20, 2 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
That's the issue. The references talk about the technology or the founder, but the only ones that talk about the company only mention it, not focus on it. Taking these references together to show notability for the company would qualify as ]
If we change the article to the arcticle about technology only then all information about shares, investments, companies, possible Ponzi scheme, warnings of financial regulators, Yunitskiy, projects' cancellation, work in different countries will became irrelevant. We would only have to quote self-published materials or Yunitskiy's words copied by 3rd party sources. There are sources that cover all aspects of Skyway - structure of companies, achieved results, criticism of technology. Look at Onliner articles.Dron007 (talk) 19:44, 2 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: It should also be emphasized here that with time it has become clearer that articles that mention the 'SkyWay technology' and/or Yunitskiy ARE talking about the company and how it works. It's marketing techniques involve everything Yunitskiy does and says. He attends every SkyWay event. He is the primary sharehold of the companies. He is SkyWay. Marketing practices should in the future be part of the article, but any valid verifiable that discusses the technology of SkyWay or its inventor/promoter, should by seen as valid sources of notability. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zaxander (talkcontribs) 11:08, 6 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Let me add 2 cents. For those who doubt whether the Skyway Group is a legal entity: they have an investment memorandum that clearly confirms this.
See here (page 11 and also page 7): [57] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.197.219.110 (talk) 22:33, 1 March 2019 (UTC) 109.197.219.110 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
  • legal entity
An association, corporation, partnership, proprietorship, trust, or individual that has legal standing in the eyes of law. A legal entity has legal capacity to enter into agreements or contracts, assume obligations, incur and pay debts, sue and be sued in its own right, and to be held responsible for its actions.
http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/legal-entity.html
A group of companies consisting of legal entities does not itself imply that the group is in of itself a legal entity. talk2siNkarma86—Expert Sectioneer of Wikipedia 14:27, 2 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • non-legal
not related to, qualified for, or phrased in the manner of the practice of law (distinguished from illegal): a nonlegal explanation.
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/non-legal
talk2siNkarma86—Expert Sectioneer of Wikipedia 14:36, 2 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep and rename. This article was originally named String transport and was about the technology. It has previously been to AFD under that name and I have now added the previous AFD link box to the top of this page. It has only recently (22 Feb) been renamed and refocused as a company article. The company may not meet ORGDEPTH, but that only shows that the rename was a bad idea and should be undone. The technology, as a technology, cannot pass GNG as standalone article either. What is notable here, and what got this kept at the first AFD, is the questionable investment schemes that have got the attention of financial regulators around the world. That is what the article should focus on, and that is why it should be kept (with a title like Skyway investment irregularities or something similar). SpinningSpark 22:39, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think that investment irregularities of some company could be more notable than company itself. There are many reliable sources that describe Skyway projects, some articles cover financial or technical aspects. Too narrow name will not allow us to cover activiy of this company and its projects. Dron007 (talk) 01:48, 2 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
In more mature companies critical contents will tend to have their own article such as
Lawsuits and Controversies of Tesla, Inc. and Criticism of Walmart. Having a critical article on the company but no main article about the company would be quite irregular to say the least. talk2siNkarma86—Expert Sectioneer of Wikipedia 04:29, 2 March 2019 (UTC)[reply
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There was a move discussion in February. I am not sure what would take precedence between the AfD to keep the topic of the technology or the move discussion that came after. I would say that there likely are enough references to support a page on the technology, just not on the company. So is your proposal to merge the applicable content back to the name "string transport?" I think that would be a solution here since the company itself falls short of ]
Just to make it clear here: whatever is decided, there are not enough verifiable references on the science to justify an article on the science alone. If there was, the name wouldn't have been changed in the first place. The problem is that the only valid verifiable references are on the company. This has been decided and agreed upon by many users. The argument is NOT whether or not the name change was valid and this should not come into any argument on a discussion of notability.–Zachar Laskewicz (talk) 12:54, 2 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Weighing in on the 'keep and rename' argument: maybe we should consider simplifying the name from 'SkyWay Group' to simply 'SkyWay' which allows the article to either develop in whichever direction the research takes it without restricting it to the companies and the companies alone. After all, there is general consensus that 'SkyWay' involves a group of companies which promote a particular technology. 'SkyWay' is present in most of the business names associated with the company. 'SkyWay Group' is not. It could reduce the chance it has of being deleted and is in many ways a compromise that could please more of the people who have entered this discussion. It may give us more room to maneuver in the future and reduce that chance of the article being deleted again. It's also the name used by the current Czech and Norwegian articles. I've included a discussions of these issues on the talk page.-Zachar Laskewicz (talk) 10:55, 7 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Primary criteria for the notability of a company (Wikipedia guidelines): a company is notable if it has been the subject of significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject. The SkyWay companies HAVE been significantly covered. This is clearly so in the official warnings from regulatory agencies from the Czech Republic[[58]], Italy (Confob), Belgium (FSMA)[[59]], Germany[[60]], Greece[[61]], Lithuania[[62]] and Slovenia[[63]]. They refer specifically to companies in the SkyWay group and not to Yunitskiy himself or his technology. They HAVE, therefore, had multiple assessments. These are independent assessments by reputable regulatory agencies. These sources ARE dependable. These sources are also used by third-parties to make their own judgements about these assessments by national banks and regulatory agencies. Many third-party articles quote them as a reliable source. But we didn’t use these third-party assessments. We went back to the originals themselves and quoted them. Zachar Laskewicz (talk) 15:06, 2 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: This deletion discussion has taught me about the actual value of primary references for use as notability. Please note that a request for more secondary confirmations by verifiable references of these warnings has been put on the talk page with each of these primary sources. But do note that we have many verifiable sources already. Some of them have been collected since this deletion request was made. I included examples of verifications of these primary sources in my comment on the accusation of vandalism below. –Zachar Laskewicz (talk) 14:22, 6 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • WP:RSOPINION
talk2siNkarma86—Expert Sectioneer of Wikipedia 15:41, 2 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Kmarinas86: Sorry that happened by accident. Believe me I didn't want to remove all the links I had so carefully pasted into place. I agree 'SkyWay Group' is an abstract term that doesn't actually mean anything on its own. Because there are so many companies that are registered in the name of Yunitskiy promoting the SkyWay technology, and different members of these companies are active in different countries, I agree it is very confusing. In an earlier version of the article I suggested stating that 'SkyWay Group' is a 'blanket term' to refer to a group of companies. This was later changed simply to 'term'; but it's important to state that this is actually NOT a company name; it's just a term we use to refer to the large group of companies which you helped us make in the talk page. What unites these companies is the fact that they promote the 'SkyWay' technology and are founded/owned (arguably) by Yunitskiy who invented the technology. I thank you for your help with this list, by the way. –Zachar Laskewicz (talk) 16:35, 2 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I think it's appropriate to include SkyWay, String Transport technology and the associated companies within the scope of this article. "String transport" isn't a generic concept like
    ULTra (rapid transit)
    .
Most of the information about the technology was removed because it was sourced to the SkyWay website instead of independent secondary sources. The remaining content focused on the companies, so it seemed appropriate to rename the article to reflect this.
Most of the media coverage that I've found has only superficial descriptions of the technology, focusing more on the company and its investment schemes, but I would support adding more about the technology if it can be appropriately sourced. –dlthewave 21:12, 2 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete As i see, the article is infuenced by someone`s business interests. The souces are contradictory, the information represented is prejudised. It is seen even from the biased souces on which the article is based on. For example, the article is about the business scheme of SkyWay, but there is also an information about testing site with photos. Anyway, it doesn`t matter because it is better to wait and see if the tecnology will be implemented. If we will see a project at the markt soon - it will be evident that it worth the article. And if the company will be oficially charged with fraud - it will be evident what to write about too. Now it is just either an attack page or PR-activity. --Swin3000 (talk) 11:35, 3 March 2019 (UTC) striking sock contribution Swin3000 (talkcontribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
  • Please note that the reference you mention is concerning the EcoTechnoPark. If you notice in the actual article there is only one sentence about this place in Belarus because there is not much verifiable commentary on the test site. You could hardly say that from this one sentence that it was prejudiced or biased by the 'onliner.by' article you include. Not a single word of this single sentence was influenced by this article. Also, this deletion request as has already been mentioned is based on the notability of the company, not the technology and whether it is ever implemented. It's a pity that your request for delete is not very useful. Maybe you could reread the article and strengthen your argument? –Zachar Laskewicz (talk) 13:29, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
WP:ILLCON if an organization that is not itself generally notable (there is no actuall information on string transport in the article) will have a number of significant sources discussing its (alleged) illegal conduct, the sources shall not be used to establish an organization's notability. So I think that the article should be deleted. I guess that the purpose of the article is to warn someone about the SkyWay Group actions. But people are already warned by the local authorities as we can see. And what if other countries dont warn their civilians on SkyWay because it is legal there? Wikipedia is definetly not a place where governments and corporations should do their business. Swin3000 (talk) 14:15, 4 March 2019 (UTC) striking sock contribution[reply
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@Swin3000 Thank you for letting me know what your concerns are about the source material. Your valid concerns about the verifiable references are deserving of attention but would be far more useful on the 'talk page' of the article than here. And if you are going to mention sources at all, mention ones that ACTIVELY influence specific points made in the article. And don't list them here as they don't concern the notability of the company but the contents of the article. You advice can be really helpful but not here. Make another deletion request if this one is rejected and address the issues you suggest there. I'm sure that if your concerns are valid, someone else will do it anyway. But addressing those issues when we should be discussing the NOTABILITY of the companies is a waste of your valuable time. Also, are you suggesting that we should include information about countries that have NOT placed a ban on the sale of SkyWay products just because they well haven't encountered them yet? Maybe an individual entry for every existing country which says something like "Syria has still not placed a ban on the sales of SkyWay shares"? Are you suggesting that the warnings from a country should not be accessed by Wikipedia because, well, people have some type of responsibility to find this information out for themselves (despite the fact that this information is hard to find, unlike the hundreds and hundreds of pages of self-aggrandizing propaganda which are repeated ad nauseum in almost every conceivable language) and that pooling of this information is somehow wrong? I think you had better be very careful about making claims like that; the pooling of useful verifiable information to help people make better choices is why Wikipedia exists. What you are suggesting - misinforming by including excessive unnecessary information and making people wade through pages of propaganda to find the truth - is the exact opposite. –Zachar Laskewicz (talk) 14:45, 4 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]


  • Comment. The article is written one-sidedly. Significant objective things are not mentioned, there is only negative examples. It looks unreliable and unprofessional from the point of view of journalism. Are pieces of information, without detailed descriptions, can be an objective presentation? The journalist must describe the material in an unbiased manner so the reader can come to conclusions on his own. That’s why this article should be deleted as an example of unfair and superficial work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.214.82.109 (talk) 17:40, 3 March 2019 (UTC) 37.214.82.109 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. striking sock contribution[reply]
  • Comment. The article is written one-sidedly. Significant objective things are not mentioned, there is only negative examples. It looks unreliable and unprofessional from the point of view of journalism. Are pieces of information, without detailed descriptions, can be an objective presentation? The journalist must describe the material in an unbiased manner so the reader can come to conclusions on his own. That’s why this article should be deleted as an example of unfair and superficial work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Юрий Сыров (talkcontribs) 17:50, 3 March 2019 (UTC) striking sock contribution Юрий Сыров (talkcontribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
  • Thans for your criticism but this comment is totally unrelated to the AfD issue: if the company is NOTABLE or not according to Wikipedia guidelines. These are all issues that can be confronted in the content of the article through its talk page. Please check the wording of the deletion request to argue for or against this issue.–Zachar Laskewicz (talk) 19:00, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete or rename. The article in its current form should be deleted or renamed to "Financial problems of SkyWay Group" (or something similar). Most sources describe only financial violations of the company but do not mention the products that this company produces, or the technology that it develops. Financial problems of the company cannot be more significant than the company itself.
Information about the regulatory warnings is about 40% of the article, information about its products or technologies that it develops - one sentence.
This SkyWay Group created the so-called “unicar” and “unibus” and presented them at the exhibition Innotrance 2018, but the article does not have a single word about it:[64] and [65]
In addition, the article is far away from being neutral. For example, information about the negative assessment of the technology by Moscow State University of Railway Engineering three times emphasized in the article, along with quotes from their report. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andrew-Postelniak (talkcontribs) 07:09, 4 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. The content of the article is not the subject of the deletion request. They need to prove notability of the companies. The two links you include, furthermore, are to self-referencing, self-promoting sources that have absolutely no meaning to anyone. Even if what you were saying meant something to this deletion request, your links are just skyway propaganda. If you really want the article to be deleted and renamed you have to find reasons that the company is NOT significiantly notable and that the resources they do use to show this notability (i.e. the internationally recognized regulatory agency warnings) are untrue and unusable. Considering that they primary links they do have are so such reliable sources, i.e. national banks, it seems to me that you would not have any success there. If you do ever have better links which show actual scientific assessment of the technology, believe me the article will include them and the section on the technology will grow in size. The only reason this aspect is so weak is because there is so little published verifiable research on this subject that is not propaganda. In the verifiable resources they refer to the things that are included in the article, like the negative assessment of the testing sites in Moscow. We include these because these are the only things that the verifiable references say. But in any case, that has no relevance here because you need to prove that the company is NOT notable in some way, not that there is something wrong with the content which can be improved from consensus on its talk page in the future.–Zachar Laskewicz (talk) 08:45, 4 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment It should be noted that 'Andrew-Postelniak' 'Yuri Sirov' and 'Swin3000' are all new users who don't seem to have contributed to any other discussions and who seem to have come into existence purely to ensure this article is deleted. It would be fine if they made suggestions that related to the deletion request but the only comment on problems they have with the 'biased' content of the article, the value of propaganda and its supficial journalism. All these issues are irrelevant to this deletion request. –Zachar Laskewicz (talk) 09:00, 4 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • The article has the name "SkyWay Group", but the main content of the article describes only its financial problems. So I suggested to rename it. Furthermore, you probably even didn't review two of the above-mentioned links. The second link is a link from the official Innotrans website, and it proves that the company was there in 2018 and exhibited their vehicles. Comments like "your links are just skyway propaganda" are obviously not neutral, and it seems that you are also interested in adding only negative information to the article. I used to edit different articles as an unidentified user but created my account today to write what I think here - editing of this article was restricted for unidentified users for some reason. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andrew-Postelniak (talkcontribs) 09:45, 4 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Andrew-Postelniak: Andrew, I am listening to you and paying attention to what you're saying. It just doesn't mean anything in relation to this deletion request. And for the record: I'm only interested in adding verifiable sources to the article. You state that you think I'm only adding criticism. Although I may believe this untrue, what I think hardly matters. It would obviously be unfair to include only negative comments. We really want to see positive reviews we can use. You should make your feelings known on the talk page of the article and not here because your concerns do not relate to the subject of the deletion request which is whether or not the SkyWay companies are NOTABLE. Your concerns with my editing (which could be completely valid) are still entirely irrelevant. And I did check the two links you included. One of them is just the same self-promoting website with hundreds and hundreds of pages of unsupported tales with computer illustrations and sometimes links to dodgy YouTube films which in and of themselves can't mean anything scientific anyway. And the link to the exhibition site, obviously self-promoting and meaningless, I did look at nonetheless and you can't include something like that to further an argument. It has be an assessment of this technology from someone who is not related to it; an exhibition of a technology at a science fair is obviously self-promoting and doesn't mean anything. So what: they exhibited at a science fair. They've done that a lot - its how they get business. But explanation of such instances of self-promoting exhibitionism can't promote the argument for science. If you really think I only include negative commentary then you should make your feelings known on the talk page and explain why with valid reasons for me showing bias. But you really have to find better resources than the ones you used. Believe me, we only took the science out because it was completely unverifiable and misleading, not because we wanted to. But as you seem to think I could never say anything positive, please post your observations to the talk page of the article and request that other people appraise your material. Any valid scientific documentation will be appraised, analysed and included in the article. There are a lot of people working on the article such as [user|Dlthewave] who promote including more verifiable science. That is where we should be having this discussion not here. –Zachar Laskewicz (talk) 10:20, 4 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Comment [(from
    WP:NCORP, for instance: “In 2016, a Russian government panel that evaluated the technology called it "innovative, but only in theory".[6]” [66]
I draw your attention to the fact that the cited source published the article of the political opposition to the then acting ruler who supported the technology and lied on purpose. There are words about innovations in the original document, but nothing about its theoretical nature. On the official website (in Russian) of the Ministry of Transport of the Russian Federation there appeared the minutes of the meeting of the Expert Council held on February 11, 2016, during which the SkyWay transport system was recognized as innovative. This is the link to the document: [67]
In English the relevant paragraph reads:
“V. On consideration of SkyWay Technologies Co. application (Davydov, Shatrakov, Slepak, Zarechkin, Polozov-Yablonsky, Zhankaziev) 1. The following information has been taken into consideration: 1.1. SkyWay Technologies Co. (Yunitsky) has spoken on the technology of creating cargo, urban and high-speed transport system Sky Way; 1.2. The Expert Council has admitted a possibility of recognizing the technology of creating cargo, urban and high-speed transport system Sky Way to be innovative.
2. There has been resolved as follows: 2.1. Recognize the technology of creating cargo, urban and high-speed transport system Sky Way to be innovative; 2.2. Recommend SkyWay Technologies Co. to additionally present a project for application of the proposed transport system Sky Way in specific operation conditions. In cooperation with the Industry expertise centre of import-substituting technologies in transport, it is recommended to prepare a comparative analysis of the proposed innovative solutions vs analogic existing technologies.”
Instead of quoting the source which is available on the official site, the author of the article has spent time finding a site that published an outright lie on this document due to subjective reasons, which is what he needed doing the same thing, because their goals are the same - defamation. Moreover, feeling the lack of negative info the author posts this lie twice, in the “Background” and “Test projects. Russia” paragraphs.
2) Can we believe in good intentions of such an author at all? No, meaning his point of view is not neutral
WP:G10
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3) The article is to be deleted since the author’s point of view is extremely biased and thus violates the stated “Neutral point of view” requirement
WP:NPOV
. For instance, in “Abandoned projects. Russia” the article reads:
“In 2007 and 2018 pilot projects of the SkyWay Group technology were planned in Russian cities. But specialists of the Moscow State University of Railway Engineering gave a negative assessment of the project and it was not implemented.[3]”
The author refers to the article from a Sicilian newspaper which was written during the election campaign of the Mayor of Messina who at the time was supporting a transportation system reform. The political bias is transparent here. Anyhow, even without taking this fact into consideration, it is necessary to note that the author has found the real fact dating back to 2008, but neglected the following developments, moreover, he has lied about a negative assessment of SkyWay’s recent projects by specialists of the Moscow State University of Railway Engineering.
Vice versa: ten years after that event specialists of Moscow State University of Railway Engineering realized their mistakes, appreciated the works of Anatoly Yunitskiy and offered cooperation! It happened after a visit to the SkyWay EcoTechnoPark by the Professor of the Department “Bridges and tunnels” Vladimir Fridkin, Doctor of Engineering Science, who had doubted on the prospects of SkyWay transport previously. So, as a result, in December, 2017 an agreement on comprehensive cooperation between Moscow State University of Railway Engineering and “SkyWay Technologies Co.” was concluded. The subject of the agreement is to increase the efficiency and quality of the use of innovative materials and technologies while designing, developing and implementing SkyWay transport in transportation infrastructure.
The very fact of this final recognition is easily traceable in the official Moscow State University of Railway Engineering newspaper «Инженер транспорта» (Transport Engineer) №16 (824) dated December 22, 2017, where on page 3, in the article «На чём обогнать самолёт» (How to Overtake an Airplane) it is clearly written: «Нельзя не отметить, что 7 декабря было подписано соглашение о комплексном сотрудничестве между ЗАО «Струнные технологии» и нашим университетом. » (It should be noted that on December 7, an agreement on comprehensive cooperation was signed between “SkyWay Technologies Co.” and our university.)[68]
Referring to the above I am sure that the author of the article “SkyWay Group” is way too much opinionated, hence his approach lacks the required Neutral point of view and thus this article is to be deleted from your pages.
Subject to deletion. Igor Koiro (talk) 13:35, 4 March 2019 (UTC) striking sock contribution[reply]
  • Comment:@Igor Koiro Please note that even if these complaints are valid they should be addressed to the talk page of the SkyWay Group. It has been made clear again and again that the reason for this AfD is the NOTABILITY of these companies. Your complaint about the contents of the article are irrelevant here and they will be ignored. They are irrelevant NOT because they are necessarily wrong, but they don't relate to the AfD. They could be useful, however, to change the content of the article by adding them to the talk page and have other users discuss them. Or alternatively you could make another deletion request based on the issue of CONTENT and VERIFIABILITY [not NOTABILITY]. I encourage you, however, to repost your concerns to the talk page where they will be analysed and assessed. Also remember there is no single writer who you can blame this article on. A whole group of people have been writing it together and it's just wrong to blame a single person. -Zachar Laskewicz (talk) 13:52, 4 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment:@Zaxander|Zachar Laskewicz The usage of unreliable sources which i have showed is about NOTABILITY
    WP:NPOV is to the case to. It characterizes the sources in the point of trheir unreability.Igor Koiro (talk) 14:54, 4 March 2019 (UTC)[reply
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@Zaxander I understand your frustration about the deletion of the page you (almost alone) have done such a great work to rename and then to rewrite in accordance to your own non neutral point of view
WP:NCORP of skyway group, which is argued on the basis of such a sources Igor Koiro (talk) 15:25, 4 March 2019 (UTC) striking sock contribution[reply
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@Igor Koiro - Just to make it clear: the renaming of the article was not recommended my me. All I did was beg that someone else who knew more about science would back up the scientific information with real references. Otherwise I had nothing to do with it at all. Someone else I don't know proposed the name change. I didn't even know you could change name of an article. Other users supported the idea. When someone suggested it and I thought it was a good idea, I supported it also. That is my complete involvement in the name change. You should check your information before you make such a claim. Also something is notable if it is mentioned by enough verifiable sources. I'm afraid according to these conditions it is very notable. The regulatory warnings are the most reliable information you can get. Arguing about the quality of the references could be an issue, but in the case of the regulatory agencies I'm afraid it's not. You're always free, however, to bring this up if it survives this deletion request.–Zachar Laskewicz (talk) 17:40, 4 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Igor Koiro - Also if all that you say is true about a collaboration between MSUoRE, why then is there no Russian article on this subject? And what does a collaboration between the MSUoRE and SkyWay technology actually mean? Are they planning to build projects in Moscow? Will they collaborate or something? Another test site somewhere in Russia maybe? Or is this just tacit approval that otherwise has no practical meaning? And if this is all true how does it make the article LESS notable. Surely if what you say is true, it just helps make Yunitskiy and his SkyWay Group of companies MORE notable not less.–Zachar Laskewicz (talk) 18:52, 4 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The "article" represents blatant negative
    WP:NCORP, no matter SPA or Expert would it be reported by. Referring to sources that can be considered as reliable partially or not at all, and covering not proved facts but only blown up troll like suspicions, it can not claim, as currently drafted, to be a kind of “alternative” or “independent” opinion. It’s strange that Wikipedia severely banning any advertising and / or promotion passed this defamation. Stating nothing about core of technology developed by the group of companies the post just enumerates snippets of doubts that are not accusations as it mentionned in the beginning the “story”. Where are links or mentions of functional test polygon that is EcoTechnoPark in Belarus with its fully working transport models? Why not to refer to independent technology related articles like 1, 2, 3, and others? — Preceding unsigned comment added by J35678 (talkcontribs) 19:20, 4 March 2019 (UTC) striking sock contribution J35678 (talkcontribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply
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@J35678 It should be mentioned that link 1 above is to a SkyWay self-published site and can not be used as a verifiable source to prove anything. Site two is a press release in German of the appearance of SkyWay at a trade fair. A press release doesn't really communicate anything except that SkyWay presented it's technology somewhere. Site three is in French and describes the contract signed in the United Arab Emirates. None of these say anything in particular about the science or the companies. They are hardly objective opinions about anything. Zachar Laskewicz (talk) 22:39, 4 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Comment [(from Zaxander, don't !vote twice)] Before the beginning of the war of edits, the article was neutral and was devoted to string transport technology with a history of its development.[1] The article had various sources: [2] - explicitly declares an unsuccessful attempt to develop transport in the Ozeri and carries a negative. This information has nothing to do with advertising. [3] - is an official document of the Russian government. Conclusion MIIT - an official source, one of the main critics of the project. Sources from 12 to 15 (Notes and reference) of the old version of the article - the fact of work in the beginning of the construction of the park.
Thus, the article “String Transport” was not advertising, but informational. Before the changes, it contained both positive and negative sources. Since the publication of 2017, a lot has happened. Of course, this should be reflected in the editing of the article, but the changes should be objective. In connection with the vandalism of users @]
  • Comment - summary of objections@Leonid Kotvitsky and others - Claims that the old version of the article was 'informational' are misguided and the accusations of vandalism are unfounded:
  • Observe the many dubious sources in Kovitsky's 'String Transport' link [69] - this is exactly why the article was changed in the first place;
  • Note also that the inclusion of only 'some' verifiable 'negative' links is particularly misleading because it falsely legitimizes the questionable ones;
  • View the contents of the talk page for an accurate retelling of genuine concerns voiced and argued by the accused 'vandals';
  • SPAs making unfounded accusations against people who are trying to ensure that Wikipedia is a misinformation-free resource are damaging and unnecessary;
  • See the SkyWay group talk page for translations, debate and summaries of verifiable sources;
  • Please note that users were at all times encouraged to post valid scientific references to improve the article on the talk page;
  • Note also that new verifiable resources have been added since this deletion request was made, particularly in reaction to criticism of justification of notability through primary sources, i.e. including verifiable resources [70] for primary ones like this [71]
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Exactly what I predicted from the beginning. Except now the comments are bordering on ]
DreamLinker, just to clarify you are not advocating keeping the current page, but are saying to keep the current content under a different name correct?--CNMall41 (talk) 21:46, 7 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Previous versions of the article did describe the technology in depth, but it was almost entirely primary-sourced to Skyway. The sources you mentioned barely touch on what the concept actually is, with vague statements such as "Skyway Technologies Co. from Belarus presented its vision of an elevated rail system that can also run a tram beneath it." I agree that we could include more about the concept, but I haven't seen any independent sources that could match the previous level of detail.
The transport-related events seem to be the type of industry trade show where interested parties can rent a booth and give a demonstration of their product. I don't see anything that rises above routine coverage of such an event. –dlthewave 22:15, 7 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Xymmax So let it be written So let it be done 03:07, 9 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Variety Child Learning Center

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Was previously nominated for deletion by sock and the AfD was speedily closed due to that. This school only educates kids with learning challenges up to age 7, making it more a preschool than even a primary school. Contrary to Eastmain's assertion that this should be redirected to the settlement article associated with the location of the school, we do not generally mention preschools in settlement articles. And, not for nothing, this school now has campuses in two different communities, so where would we redirect it to? Delete is the obvious course here. John from Idegon (talk) 03:58, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep. The school has in-depth coverage in reliable sources, including Newsday. Eastmain (talkcontribs) 04:44, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm not even sure the SCHOOLOUTCOMES thing applies--I can't barely tell what kind of school this is, and "approved" doesn't add much. If it's in/across two different school districts it's not a "normal" school like we see 99% of the time, but of course for a private school that doesn't really matter. For practical purposes I suppose it does matter, given the problem of where to merge or redirect. So the way I read this article and the relevant policies and guidelines, it should pass per GNG. And that's problematic: this is just a kind of directory entry, and that leaves the two (short) articles in Newsday, a local paper, sourcing from which is reliable enough and would be unproblematic for adding content to a "regular" school whose notability doesn't depend so much on strength of coverage. But that's not what we have here, so I'd say weak delete if anyone asked me. Drmies (talk) 17:09, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom Steven (Editor) (talk) 18:14, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as per reasoning in nomination. Hughesdarren (talk) 02:46, 4 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete This is not a secondary school, so we actually have to clearly show notability, and the sourcing does not.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:39, 9 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Jake Xu Yun

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Looks made up, notability questionable. Mooeena💌✒️ 03:16, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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This article's subject has not been shown to have notability per

WP:NBIO. Countless people have died in accidents at sports games, such as Shannon Stone in 2011. I follow baseball closely and I'd never heard of this incident until today. Songwaters (talk) 01:06, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply
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  • Comment. This case has significance for the MLB, and the way in which it uses netting and safety. The case had historical significance, as no such case had happened in many decades. However, I do understand changing the article title to "Death of Linda Goldbloom" and would support this. Linda Goldbloom is very frequently searched online, as the case is very active and relevant. The page itself would be more viewed were it displaying on Google in the same way. I believe this page has great relevance, and will submit more arguments to defend it if need be. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PickleG13 (talkcontribs) 21:51, 2 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • Dozens of cases have been documented of fatal accidents at MLB games. In the example I provided, in 2011, Shannon Stone died in a fall at Globe Like Park in Arlington while trying to catch a ball thrown to him by Rangers outfielder Josh Hamilton. In response, the Rangers put a tarp over the area where he fell, then dedicated a statue to his memory. How is this any more significant? Songwaters (talk) 01:54, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Chateau Royale

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Lacked secondary sources since creation, by apparent COI editor, in December 2009. I can't find any in-depth coverage in RS to make this building notable. Fails

WP:NGEO. However, all the essential information is contained at List of tallest buildings in Hamilton, Ontario#Other buildings. Redirect. Just Chilling (talk) 00:35, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete. -- RoySmith (talk) 01:56, 9 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Holy Week Lasallian Missions (Northern Mexico district)

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Unsourced since 2008, no sources found, close to incomprehensible. Mccapra (talk) 20:31, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Either delete or repurpose -- This is currently a bad article that jumps from 1577 to 1964. It may be about the history of a mission in an area of Mexico, which might be the equivalent of a diocese, but the article would need to cover the whole year, not just a festival week. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:03, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. -- RoySmith (talk) 01:55, 9 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Profitect

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No real demonstration of notability. Struggling to find independent in-depth coverage in reliable sources. Fails

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  • Delete Having such a distinctive name makes the check of WP:BEFORE much easier. Almost a complete black outside of PressWire stuff. No single (nevermind several) significant article on the company from an RS. Full fail of WP:CORPDEPTH (or basic WP:GNG). Britishfinance (talk) 20:45, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for additional details. I've added more citations, including Forbes and a widely circulated fashion retail publication. Significantly fewer press releases and questionable sources than previous iteration.Cameronjford1 (talk) 21:11, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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I do work for them, yes - I'm trying to figure out how to add the "connected contributor" tag to my main page. However, I am a journalist by education and I'm making every effort to publish a completely unbiased and fully, credibly supported article by Wikipedia's standards. As the previous approved page was clearly written as an advertisement I hope this can at least be seen as an improvement. Happy to discuss further.Cameronjford1 (talk) 21:49, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. -- RoySmith (talk) 01:54, 9 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Parker Engineering

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Fails

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The result was delete. -- RoySmith (talk) 01:53, 9 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

IBM Docs

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Article relies too much on primary sources and reads more like a sales pitch. Ruxnor (talk) 08:24, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Redirect to Edward de Bono. (non-admin closure) Tymon.r Do you have any questions? 01:45, 9 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]


Cognitive Research Trust

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*Merge. There’s not a lot to merge but the Edward de Bono doesn’t currently mention the CoRT and I think it would be helpful to readers to know there is an organisation continuing to work on de Bono’s ideas. A single sentence would suffice. Mccapra (talk) 05:40, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It's mentioned in ]
Apologies so it is.
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The result was delete. czar 04:13, 8 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Abstrakt Intellekt

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Appears to fail all twelve criteria of

original research, evidenced by *editors note* After email contact with the former members of Abstrakt Intellekt, it was confirmed that the groups new project is a live band called The Prime Eights. SITH (talk) 10:41, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply
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  • Delete: Per Nom. On a quick glance at some random references there is
    advertising. The link supposedly to support "The group parted ways with Mike Clark in 2005 and signed to an independent record label called Protekted Records", is a dead link parked at Go Daddy. Try this dead link. The supposed Detroit Rap reference mentions a lot of names but I did not see the subject. The plug for suicide.org does not support the sentence. The "Note" mentioned by nom as apparent WP:OR includes "the groups new project" and follows "...started work in 2011 on a yet unnamed new project.", leading one to surmise there is some unnamed 8 year project in the works, when the infobox lists the years active as 1999–2010, and the previous paragraph states the duo "...released their final album in 2010... and performed their final show in September 2010". Otr500 (talk) 07:29, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete. czar 04:12, 8 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Mirror Khabar

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PROD removed by a possible sockpuppet of the article creator. Original concern stands: Non-notable news website with no assertion of significance, no third-party references. Fails

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Delete per nomination with creation salting. Sockpuppets have repeatedly moved this article from draftspace or userspace into articlespace even though the drafts were declined with the significant concerns outlined above. Jon Kolbert (talk) 12:01, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 15:31, 8 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Maya Bond

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Does not meet criteria for

WP:MUSIC. Most of the references were retrieved in 2006 and no longer work. Additionally, the end of the article says she left the music industry in 2009 because "she is no longer four years old and is way to cool for that stuff now lol." Actaudio (talk) 03:44, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete. -- RoySmith (talk) 01:52, 9 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Alpine skiing at the 2019 European Youth Olympic Winter Festival – Boys' slalom

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Excessive detail. This is a continental cup for 14-18 year olds, not even the junior level yet in these sports. A long list of redlinked competitors, only a select few who will ever become notable. The Festival itself is notable, but not each individual competition in it.

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The result was keep. Consensus is that NSONGS is not met, but GNG is with additions subsequent to nomination. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 15:29, 8 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Doin' It (Big Boi song)

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  • There are also sources discussing it after its initial release. I'm expanding it as we speak. Long-standing notability is hard to determine at this point for any song, so I don't really see how that's a key factor or how that can be "proved"—even if there are sources reporting on a very popular song right now, including one that charts, we can't say that in two years' time anybody (including news sources) will be talking about it. Ss112 02:23, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment possible Merge: Why is there an inherent need to create new articles at the expense of a parent article? There would be absolutely no need for speculation of "song" notability under the parent article with a fork when warranted. Otr500 (talk) 15:11, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Otr500: What parent article? It's not from an album yet, so...Big Boi? I think we could find more info on the song than could feasibly be merged there. (Just want to say that I'm watching this page, so no need for pings back. I'm not sure if anybody else is though, hence my ping.) Ss112 18:37, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reply: I would hope you would not discount Big Boi as a "parent" article? Are you suggesting that the only notability is is the song? These are the type arguments that keep Wikipedia fragmented with thousands of substandard articles when there is absolutely zero doubt that the content could have been started at the place it really should have been. There would have been no hint of promotion and I would hope no suggestion that the material would not expand and improve Big Boi. The popularity of a song is directly related to the popularity and notability of Big Boi -- Doin' It (Big Boi song). Otr500 (talk) 13:14, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't see how an article of over 6kB in size and with 10+ references is "substandard", and no, I'm not suggesting that the song is notable without Big Boi being attached to it. But that doesn't mean I agree with merging, because as I just said, I don't think it's feasible to merge all of what is there now to Big Boi. That would be giving undue weight to one song on a BLP. I also didn't make the article because I wanted to "promote" the song, so I also don't see how that's what you got out of it. That's like saying any article on a song is promoting that song, which is demonstrably false. Ss112 14:26, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ad Orientem (talk) 02:44, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~SS49~ {talk} 00:07, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • It is also important to note that charting alone does not indicate whether or not a song should have a separate article; it is really more up to whether or not it has received enough coverage from third party, reliable sources to meet notability standards. It is just that songs that meet that requirement generally chart somewhere, but that is not always the case. Aoba47 (talk) 19:52, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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