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The result was redirect to Playrix. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 04:24, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Dmitry Bukhman

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This is an article about a Russian billionaire that seems to be native advertising created by a suspected undisclosed paid editor. The given sources are very promotional, in detail : refs 1, 10 and 12 are database listings; ref 2 is based on a softball interview in ref 9,; ref 3 and 7 are sourced to the Bloomberg interview in ref 8 which has a disclaimer at the top stating that its source is Playrix (the company he co-founded); ref 6 is self-written by Bukhman; refs 5 and 11 are softball interviews; ref 13 is an interview with the company's head of marketing; the remaining refs are either mentions or promotional. A

WP:PROMO issues. Atlantic306 (talk) 22:50, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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  • Delete. Per nom. --Devokewater (talk) 07:57, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete I see no in depth coverage on the subject. Less Unless (talk) 09:39, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, not enough third party reliable sources, looks promotional. Alex-h (talk) 08:15, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep I do not edit the English Wikipedia, but I am interested in the life of the Bukhman brothers and often play the games created by them. When I surfed the internet and came across the Wikipedia article about Dmitry Bukhman, I was very surprised by the nomination for deletion, assuming that it was nothing else but a misunderstanding. I decided to find out what and why and served to make this conclusion that I could not agree with the arguments of the Atlantic. Source №1.12 is a separate short article about Buchman in Forbes (not just a mention of the name in the list). The arguments regarding the 2nd source do not stand up to criticism, as the quotations in these articles are of complementary value and do not form the basis. Source №7 is a common secondary source, where the author refers to various sources (not only Bloomberg). The №8 source is also a full-fledged article on Bloomberg, and the disclaimer above refers solely to the authorship of the photo used for the article, isn't that obvious? This is common practice.--OmInna (talk) 13:57, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The Forbes piece is not a real article just a blurb, and the other sources all rely on the commentary of Bukhman himself either directly or from interviews in other sources. This means that the article only covers what Buhkman wants it to cover and is therefore promotional and not independent of the subject so failing
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The result was keep. No consensus to delete; and after sources were added, a consensus to keep.

(non-admin closure) Britishfinance (talk) 23:38, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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GKS Glinik Gorlice

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Fails

WP:NTEAM. P,TO 19104 (talk) (contribs) 22:32, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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Keep per sources found and added, seems to be notable. GiantSnowman 12:46, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@P,TO 19104: It has been on the Polish wiki since 2009 so maybe you should have a look there. REDMAN 2019 (talk) 09:57, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep This is a brand new article and hasn't been given time to develop, they are a team in the fifth level of the Polish league which plays in the Polish Cup, there are plenty of citations online if one wants to use them, except most are in Polish. This can be fixed to pass
    WP:GNG if one wants to add those sources, AfD is not cleanup. Govvy (talk) 10:08, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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  • Note I have linked this article with the Polish wiki article if anyone wants to check that on the languages section. Govvy (talk) 10:23, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ok I have examined the Polish Wikipedia entry and here's what I have found: 1) Most of the sources are in Polish (no suprise because of
    WP:3REFS, there should to be at least three reliable indpendent sources to establish notablity. The article in Polish only contains one reliable and independent source. P,TO 19104 (talk) (contribs) 13:52, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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The club website has a bunch of info about the history of the club, however its way beyond my translating ability. REDMAN 2019 (talk) 18:38, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

*Delete. Fails

WP:NFOOTBALL. Alex-h (talk) 08:21, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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  • Comment @Alex-h: NFootball is for athletes, not football clubs. Govvy (talk) 08:43, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The club now passes GNG, NFOOTBALL and NTEAM. @Piotrus, Devokewater, GiantSnowman, Alex-h, and P,TO 19104: are you willing to change your minds? REDMAN 2019 (talk) 12:35, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It cannot pass NFOOTBALL, that applies to people only. However I agree it is likely notable. GiantSnowman 12:46, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Govvy, I can change mine,Alex-h (talk) 12:42, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy delete. Fenix down (talk) 22:09, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Proper Sport

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Non-notable podcast network, does not meet the

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  • Delete - no evidence of notability. GiantSnowman 09:36, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Same comments as above, I don't see GNG. Govvy (talk) 09:58, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom and comments above.Less Unless (talk) 11:00, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete per nom and comments above.
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The result was I am withdrawing the AfD in favor of a requested merger. Neutralitytalk 20:21, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

2020 Atlanta police sickout

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The content in this article can (and has) been easily summarized in three or four sentences at

WP:NOTNEWS implications are present. I redirected the article to Killing of Rayshard Brooks; that was reverted, so I am bringing the article here. Neutralitytalk 21:49, 11 July 2020 (UTC) Tagging @EEng: since he first had the idea.[reply
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  • Merge/redirect to Killing of Rayshard Brooks (as nom)—the relevant conduct is already merged, so this can be affected with a straight redirect. Delete as second choice. Neutralitytalk 21:50, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Is there an argument for deletion? I don't see one. City-wide police work stoppages are rare and notable, particularly as a coordinated reaction to a police killing. The article is underdeveloped but deserves to stay. --Lockley (talk) 00:16, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • The argument is that it is not independently notable outside the context of the Rayshard Brooks killing, and can be addressed sufficiently in the context of that article, without a standalone article. Neutralitytalk 00:48, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Then it seems to come down to a single issue, notability. NOTNEWS also mentions a standard of "enduring notability". I'd agree that the article needs improvement. I see that news articles draw a clear cause-effect relationship between the charging of Garrett Rolfe and the sick-out. Public employees in Georgia are forbidden from striking (GA Code Sec. 45-19-2), so the Atlanta police were arguably breaking the law. The head of the local International Brotherhood of Police Officers was careful to characterize it as NOT the blue flu and NOT a strike. None of those points are (yet) explicit in the article as it stands now. More broadly a police strike of any kind is a threat to public order, inherently significant, and worth understanding. --Lockley (talk) 02:01, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, we need not question the subject's notability in order to question whether it's best presented on a page of its own. See my !vote below. EEng 05:16, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It has already been merged, so keep it so; see no reason to keep the 2020 article at this time; redirect. Quaerens-veritatem (talk) 10:16, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge/redirect Notability isn't the issue here. The guideline on point is
    WP:NOPAGE
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    When creating new content about a notable topic, editors should consider how best to help readers understand it. Sometimes, understanding is best achieved by presenting the material on a dedicated standalone page, but it is not required that we do so. There are other times when it is better to cover notable topics, that clearly should be included in Wikipedia, as part of a larger page about a broader topic, with more context. A decision to cover a notable topic only as part of a broader page does not in any way disparage the importance of the topic.
As Q-v points out, the sickout is adequately covered on the Brooks page. In fact, it's covered better on the Brooks page, because there it's presented in full context. On the separate sickout page, even an abbreviated presentation of the Brooks background takes up, literally, half the page. Plus that background material inevitably gets out of sync with the actual Brooks page. This is a classic application of NOPAGE. EEng 05:16, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hi @EEng: and @Neutrality:. With no trace of snark -- honestly -- I'm confused now. You've put forth contradictory reasons for this AfD. Do you both agree the topic is notable? Could you please coordinate and clarify, so I can answer appropriately? --Lockley (talk) 06:24, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't need to worry about whether it's notable, because even if it is it's nonetheless best treated on the main Brooks page. That's what NOPAGE (quoted above) is about. Neutrality seems to be questioning the notability, but he/she also says It is not necessary to have a separate article, which could be seen as a NOPAGE argument as well. EEng 12:17, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Agree with EEng. I'm saying it's noteworthy in the context of the Brooks article, but that it's not independently notable so as to require a page. Neutralitytalk 14:54, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Well, I'll just say it one more time: bringing notability or independent notability into it makes this much more complicated than it needs to be, because it becomes a tussle over sources. By focusing on how best to present the topic (i.e. on its own page vs. within the Brooks page) makes the question much clearer and avoids the notability fight. EEng 18:38, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
TOTALLY CONFUSED. If the nom agrees the article is notable, verifiable, etc., and it's only a question of whether the content should be merged or not, then the !votes should come down to Merge or Keep. Is that right? Nobody's talking about deleting the article? ...Then that's not a good fit with an AfD discussion where editors are used to assessing for possible deletion. I'm not complaining, I don't require another explanation, I'm familiar with NOPAGE, and if merged I'll survive just fine. This process just seems sideways to me. --Lockley (talk) 19:23, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
We call it Articles for Deletion as a shorthand because Articles for Deletion and Maybe Merging or Redirecting or I Think Some Other Possibilities I Can't Remember Now would be awkward.
If you'd change your !vote above it would help tip the scales and we can go home sooner. EEng 03:22, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, @EEng:, since I'm familiar with your stream of sarcasm that always slightly misses the point, I feel comfortably at home. My opinion's clear enough. Hope you're well. --Lockley (talk) 17:48, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It wasn't sarcasm, it was irony. Jeesh! I only meant that since you said you could live with a merge it would speed things up if you made that clear. EEng 20:52, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@EEng and Hello!:. Sorry, I thought it was sarcasm. Irony would have been something more like this: Articles for Deletion and Maybe Merging or Redirecting or I Think Some Other Possibilities I Can't Remember Now. As to changing my vote, nope. This labor action clearly deserves its own article. Besides, it's changed a lot since the nom, no way it's a clean redirect at this point. Wanna go home early? Let it live. --Lockley (talk) 22:16, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I've learned that an unusually large proportion of editors are anemic so I'm making an effort to add extra irony to my posts. EEng 22:58, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 21:32, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Apocrypho

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Doesn't appear to be notable

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The result was delete per

WP:SNOW. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 09:04, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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Glee curse

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Takes an idea from an article and runs with original research to combine various unfortunate events with potential conspiracy theory. The article itself refers to the events as "coincidental". LadyofShalott 20:57, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Already tagged for speedy as A11 - no credible significance. Kingsif (talk) 20:59, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
You moved faster than I did, but ok. I think the first ref invalidates A11. Otherwise, we agree it should go. LadyofShalott 21:11, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It would need more than that one source to be credible and significant. Kingsif (talk) 21:16, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, but not to make a *claim* to such. LadyofShalott 21:21, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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A11 speedy deletion request from the article. A11 has two pieces and both of them have to be met. This does not meet the first part, It applies to any article that plainly indicates that the subject was invented/coined/discovered by the article's creator or someone the creator personally knows. We would need plain indication in the article or somewhere that Tomipelegrin made this up. There is a source in the article that discusses a "Glee Curse". There are also many reliable sources available that use this exact phrase. ~ GB fan 13:22, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 21:33, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Mallori McNeal

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Doesn't meet

WP:GNG. No ATD I can suggest. Boleyn (talk) 20:51, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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  • Delete Not enough reliable sources to be notable.
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The result was keep.

(non-admin closure) feminist (talk) 03:38, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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Madara (manga)

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I couldn't establish that this meets

WP:NOTABILITY. I'm aware I may be missing something by not reading Japanese. Possible ATD is to the writer Eiji Ōtsuka. Boleyn (talk) 20:46, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete. Delete carries the weight here but a redirect can be created as a normal function of editing If so desired. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 21:40, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Saverio Guerra

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Does not appear to meet

blow it all up and start again The creeper2007Talk! Be well, stay safe 20:43, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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  • Delete unless notability can be asserted and verified, without prejudice to recreation in the future when the threshold is met. The current revision is a BLP with absolutely no referencing and might just as easily have been speedied as an advert Fiddle Faddle 22:06, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Restore the redirect to Becker (TV series) where Guerra is mentioned. signed, Rosguill talk 22:23, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Restore the redirect per User:Rosguill. At the current moment, the article is barely a substub, without any claim to notability or references. JIP | Talk 23:07, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as he has shown up in other shows than Becker, and a redirect to that makes no sense as he is not a character. Looking it up though the news articles only mention the characters with him getting a trivial mention as the one who has played them. Jerod Lycett (talk) 06:02, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom --Devokewater (talk) 21:02, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete We cannot have a Wikipedia page sourced only to the subject's own website.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:42, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • This article has existed since 4 April 2005. That is over 15 years. I am continually shocked at how long some of these under sourced articles have been in existence.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:44, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      Standards were different then Fiddle Faddle 17:11, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 04:22, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The Not-Its!

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Doesn't meet

WP:NBAND - most coverage is advertising or primary sources. Boleyn (talk) 20:40, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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The result was keep.

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AdventHealth Shawnee Mission

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Trivial local hospital. The two sources in the article aren't good and I'm not finding anything else online that passes notability and that would meet the standards of

WP:NCORP. I'd be fine with forwarding it to List of Seventh-day Adventist hospitals. That seems to be what was done in other cases. Adamant1 (talk) 11:05, 4 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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  • Keep - at over 500 beds, this would be considered notable by the consensus by its size. Bearian (talk) 00:44, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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WP:ORG? According to Wikiproject Hospitals "Hospitals, clinics, and related organizations must comply with the WP:ORG notability standard." So it doesn't sound like this hospital would be notable based solely on the number of beds it has. --Adamant1 (talk) 05:44, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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  • Keep not sure how this would be considered a "trivial local" hospital, based on its size I would consider it at least a regional. Seems to pass
    WP:GNG based on a simple web search.--Paul McDonald (talk) 23:32, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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Can you provide the non-trivial in-depth secondary reliable sources that you were able to find doing a "simple web search" or should we just take your word for it that they exist? --Adamant1 (talk) 09:34, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Just click on the news link above. Please complete the steps outlined in
WP:BEFORE when nominating an article for deletion. in this case, part D applies: "D. Search for additional sources, if the main concern is notability." I agree the article could be improved, but AFD is not cleanup.--Paul McDonald (talk) 15:48, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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I did. All the sources were trivial and don't establish notability. Your the one saying they aren't so its on you to prove it. Putting your unwillingness to provide the sources your claiming exist on me not doing a before is kinda BS though. Either provide them or don't make false claims about notability next time. You should retract your vote to if your not going to.

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Well,
WP:GNG.--Paul McDonald (talk) 19:32, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
]
I wasn't calling you a lier. Providing the sources your basing your vote on is just part of the process. Since the notability criteria isn't about just "sources." Going off the ones you provided its a good thing I asked to. Since all of them are extremely trivial coverage of topics that could apply to any hospital and don't pass
WP:NCORP. Especially the ones from local news sources. Which I think is all of them. There's nothing notable about anything mentioned in any of those articles. You could find local news coverage of any hospital out there for the same things. Adamant1 (talk) 22:32, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
]
First: Feature articles are not
WP:NCORP is met "A company, corporation, organization, group, product, or service is notable if it has been the subject of significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject." Summary: it's clear that we have different interpretations of what constitutes issues like "notability" and "trivial" and such. I won't continue this dance and leave it to the AFD closer to sort out. If anyone has in questions, feel free to ping me.--Paul McDonald (talk) 05:19, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
]
@
WP:AUD
says "media of limited interest and circulation, is not an indication of notability; at least one regional, statewide, provincial, national, or international source is necessary." All of the sources you provided are confined to Kansas City and I wouldn't consider that a "region" in relation to the guidelines. Anymore then I would for any cities local newspaper to be.
For instance the first sources top story is on a community (their words) bookstore re-opening. I wouldn't call that a "regional" story. Nor would I consider said bookstore notable now just because there was a story about it in that news source. The paper would at least have to be for something like the
WP:NOTNEWS
. Stories by local news outlets are by their nature news and are meant for a local (not general) audience. No one reading Wikipedia cares that Kansas City's community bookstore is re-opening.
Re
WP:NCORP considers a trivial topic. --Adamant1 (talk) 06:01, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
]
These comments have gone past simple discussion and have become downright disruptive. A cover story is not "trivial". Cover Story: The advent of a new health power (Kansas City Business Journal). I don't know if you just failed to read this one and/or the hundreds of articles, if you are being obstinate, if you don't understand them, or if you really believe that a cover story is only a "trivial mention" --and I don't care, because the outcome is the same for all four. The outcome is that someone else will come by to close this discussion and make their own judgment. I believe that person will hold the position of in-depth cover stories are not "trivial". I now modify my statement: if anyone else has a question feel free to ping me.--Paul McDonald (talk) 15:16, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The problem with you is that your ignoring the topic of the article. The fact that it's a cover story doesn't matter. You can ignore the triviality of the topic and that
WP:NCORP while ignoring it when it doesn't suit you. If you hadn't of done any of that this conversation wouldn't have even been a thing. It's totally on you that it was. --Adamant1 (talk) 15:58, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
]
@Jweiss11: Hey any chance you could do me a favor and point me to where the number of beds matters to notability if you happen to know it was discussed? Because it's not mentioned anywhere on the Wikiproject Hospitals page that I can find and no one has provided a source for it when I've asked where it comes from. Thanks. Adamant1 (talk) 07:18, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I argued against keeping a smaller hospital at
consensus that I see is that hospitals of much less than 200 beds are probably not notable, but one twice that size would be. This debate is only in the past nine months, and I doubt that consensus has changed since then. I would not say there is s bright-line test based solely on the size of hospitals, but I do say that we need to be somewhat consistent. Bearian (talk) 03:24, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
]
Lousy sources is exactly the reason to do an AfD. That's the whole point in them in the first place. So I have zero clue what your talking about. Also, every local hospital in America is getting local news coverage for the Chronovirus pandemic. Including my small town local hospital. It's not a justification for having on article on it though, because Wikipedia isn't a news source and if what your siting applies to everyone it negates the notability of it. Also, the fact that Adventist hospitals are coming up in AfDs should be on the people who created the articles when the subjects weren't notable, not on the people doing the AfDs. There's no rule that if you do an AfD for multiple articles having to do with the same subject it makes them not legitimate somehow and it's totally BS to frame it like there is. You can't claim the article should be kept "because other AfDs." --Adamant1 (talk) 03:39, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Many references have been provided above, particularly by
    Kansas City Business Journal is SIGCOV Cover Story: The advent of a new health power. The OP needs to listen to what editors respond with at an AfD rather than trying to disprove what is becoming increasingly obvious; otherwise, the process becomes less useful. Britishfinance (talk) 18:57, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
    ]
I'd love for you to point out where I wasn't listening. Maybe next time you vote leave the personal attack out of it. --Adamant1 (talk) 19:26, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Adamant1, my intention was not to make a PA but to give you advice on AfD (of which I have a lot of experience, and made many such mistakes). There are many (many) articles in WP that need to through AfD (even if they don't end up getting deleted). The process works efficiently when people listen to each other's !votes and adjust accordingly. You are not listening to several strong arguments above – both the 500-bed and the sources provided. It is a concern for your time and the time of others. Hope you take it in that spirit. Britishfinance (talk) 20:23, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I've asked for a source to the 500 bed thing a couple of times, mostly because I'm interested in reading about it. It doesn't have anything to do with not listening though. I'm just interested in policy. Despite your claim, I actually have listened because I'm not opening AfDs for hosptials over 500 beds anymore. Even if no one is willing to provide a source for the rule. No offensive, but if anything your the one wasting our time by posting clearly untrue messages that then need to be disputed. Adamant1 (talk) 20:42, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per Bearian's explanation of consensus on hospital size, and Paul's "new health power" coverage. -- Toughpigs (talk) 19:45, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Toughpigs: Any chance you can point to where the 500 bed thing is discussed? Because I can't find anything about it and people who bring it up can't point to anywhere that talks about it either. At this point I doubt there even is consensus about it. Adamant1 (talk) 20:00, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Snow Keep
    WP:PILEON. Some good work by Britishfinance. Lightburst (talk) 20:05, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
    ]
No reason to feel bad about it. I wasn't aware of the whole "500 bed rule" thing when I opened the AfD. Although I doubt it's even a thing, the important thing is that people are voting like it is. --Adamant1 (talk) 20:09, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 04:24, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

International Society of Business Leaders

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Appears to be a non-notable organization (appears to be primarily known on message boards for targeting people by email to pay a fee to join). Does not meet general notability guidelines; no coverage in reliable, independent sources. MapleSoy (talk) 18:39, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Redirect to OfflineTV#LilyPichu. Consensus that this person is not notable. (non-admin closure) Devonian Wombat (talk) 01:25, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

LilyPichu

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I proposed this article for merging earlier as it did not seem to pass

WP:GNG and failed to warrant a standalone article, the article comprises of many YouTube links. I noticed a couple of odd things regarding this article, after the merge consensus was met and the discussion was closed, (apart from new additions) I discovered that most, if not all the information on this subject was copied and pasted from the subject's subsection on another page OfflineTV#LilyPichu, making it impossible to move information to complete the merge as the information is already there. I also noticed that there's no history I could find regarding the article passing or being put up for the AFC to be reviewed, nor is there any article information on the talk page regarding the class or level of importance the article conveys. I hope we could come to a consensus on this topic and put these contradictions to rest. Delta fiver (talk) (UTC) 17:40, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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  • Comment I understand, but what I'm trying to convey is that the information presented on this article's page is already on the page that it was to be merged with. I made a mistake in not realizing it earlier but all the information had been lifted from the page that was to receive the merge information. Just to summarize, there's no point having this page around and going ahead with the merge as the article that was to receive the merge information, already has all of it because the editor copied the information form that page itself. Delta fiver (talk) (UTC) 18:59, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Redirect to OfflineTV#LilyPichu as suggested by the nominator. I would not be opposed to deleting it altogether, but this is turning into a bit of a procedural mess. In any case, LilyPichu has some minor media notice in her line of work and that is sufficient for a mention over at the OfflineTV article. This separate article tries to flesh things out with unreliable video links and information about her personal life, which is not only non-notable but also comes with a "who cares?" quality. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 14:06, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Aside from the fact of supporting deletion, can someone explain how this page made it to the main space in the first place, I can't find any history of an AFC review, nor any information on the talk page, is there another way? by moving perhaps?. Delta fiver (talk) (UTC) 16:30, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Any confirmed user can create pages in main space: it's how most pages are created. Why do you oppose redirecting? It seems like a useful search term at the very least. pburka (talk) 17:00, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think you've misunderstood what I've said, I understand the first bit 100 percent, but I was always under the impression that in order to publish a page you need to pass the AFC, where reviewers would undertake the vetted process of identifying if the article meets general notability guidelines or if not, this was my first time coming across an article without any information regarding the article class or level of importance on the talk page nor any log of a AFC review being done. Also I'm keen on the deletion of this page because the information regarding the individual is already covered extensively here OfflineTV#LilyPichu and here OfflineTV#SleightlyMusical thus I feel it's pointless just conveying the same information again, aside from that her work isn't notable in terms of what she has accomplished, these accomplishments have also been met by others in that space, who don't warrant their own article. I feel whatever is in here OfflineTV#LilyPichu is more than enough, the rest are just passing mentions, at least until she does something more notable of course
  • WP:REDIRECT to the new one. This does not require deleting the old page. The old one acts as a hint to search engines (including the built-in one) that searches for, e.g. "LilyPichu", should be directed to, e.g. OfflineTV#LilyPichu. The redirect page can also be included in categories, e.g. Category:Twitch (service) streamers. That's why I'm recommending that the page not be deleted. pburka (talk) 18:05, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn. (non-admin closure) P,TO 19104 (talk) (contribs) 17:01, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Argo AI

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Fails

WP:FORBESCON. P,TO 19104 (talk) (contribs) 17:47, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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  • Oppose/Keep I have edited the page. Added 30 secondary references including Reuters, NYTimes, Techcrunch, CBS, Wired, etc. Removed all primary sources. Fact checked information. I do not believe this article should be deleted as it meets GNG for a company and has more than enough press to support the information. Please let me know if there is anything else I need to do to get the page in shape or to respond to this nomination in an appropriate way. Thank you. Drsammyjohnson (talk) 20:46, 16 July 2020 (UTC)DrSammyJohnson[reply]
  • Objecting to AfD - After a cursory search for this company it is evident that there are plenty of refs to support
    WP:GNG. Amongst them are Techcrunch, TheVerge, CBS, AutoNews, CNet, etc. Most Self Driving Car companies have pages especially the current leaders in the field. I object to the deletion of this page - looking through Wikiguides to better understand how to properly Object to this AfD and I am going to draft a longer page so it is not a stub with relevant sources for. It may be better to move this page into a draft space to get it cleaned up before considering it for deletion Drsammyjohnson (talk) 16:22, 15 July 2020 (UTC)DrSammyJohnson[reply
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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 19:01, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Wilhelm, Landgrave of Hesse-Philippsthal-Barchfeld

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Notability has been in question for 8 years, with no inline citations provided in that time. Article attributes a living person with styles and a title that were dissolved in 1866, and most of the text is either the history of this landgrave/the House of Hesse, or unsourced details on his marriage and descendants (I just removed 650 bytes of the names and birthdates of his minor grandchildren). JoelleJay (talk) 17:21, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete - when you strip away all the historical context, all we have is the naming of his parents, the details of his marriage, the names of his children, and the attribution to him of an obscure title, itself non-notable, that hasn't existed in the real world for 150 year. This is just a genealogical entry. He exists. Good for him, but WP:GNG requires a great deal more than mere existence. Agricolae (talk) 17:34, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Keep: the Hesse family are as intermarried with the reigning and defunct royalty of Europe as the Windsors (e.g. Prince Philip's sister married into the Hesses'; last Empress of Russia was Alex of Hesse, etc etc), and sorting out who is who can be a nightmare, so having an article like this for a current member is valuable. Hesse family members rock up at British royal occasions, and their marriages and funerals are still covered in the tabloid press, so this helps provide background information. Wishing its deletion isn't aiding Wikipedia: it's an insidious, informationally-destructive, 'chippy' form of cancel culture. ClearBreeze (talk) 12:55, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The request for sources has been around for 8 years; if this particular member of the Hesse family is as notable as you say, why haven't the editors who voted keep in the first AfD added in RS? Passing mention in genealogy books and hypothetical
WP:INVALIDBIO. All of the information on his page could be merged with House of Hesse, although proper sources would still need to be found. JoelleJay (talk) 19:57, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
]
Those are reasons why the House of Hesse is notable, but not why the subject of this article is notable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:241:300:B610:E9F2:DB80:8689:5D3C (talk) 04:14, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
WP:NOTINHERITEDis an ill-framed article and always has been. In the real world notability is commonly inherited, and an encyclopedia that aims to be comprehensive should reflect that. Secondly, informationally useful articles on minor royals and aristocrats are being deleted due to a cancel culture stemming from personal politics and/or resentment. It needs to be strongly resisted as it's utterly corrosive to Wikipedia. ClearBreeze (talk) 11:28, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
]
Well, if you want to change things like
aspersions about the intents of other editors. JoelleJay (talk) 17:19, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
]
ClearBreeze has now been blocked indefinitely for their behavior on this and other pages. I don't know if it's appropriate to strike their !vote/comments myself. JoelleJay (talk) 03:11, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Like it or not, senior members of notable royal and aristocratic families are themselves notable. This is just common sense. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:34, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia strongly disagrees:
WP:INVALIDBIO. JoelleJay (talk) 19:57, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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I wasn't aware I said he was notable because he was related to someone else. I said he was notable because of who he is. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:06, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
So how is he notable outside of his family history? JoelleJay (talk) 17:19, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 19:05, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Avian phenomena and incidents

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Does not appear to meet

wings and foreign object damage, which don't really have enough of a link; happy days, LindsayHello 16:38, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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  • Speedy delete Per nom. Was expecting a little more than this junk when I clicked on it... Reywas92Talk 17:06, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete definitely per nom. Talk about overly broad and vague (plus a search term no one in their right mind would ever use). --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 18:25, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Way to broad of a list to the point of being meaningless. I also agree it's a wack search term that no one is going to use. Maybe if it was based on some academic thing or something, but it isn't. I totally thought it would be though. --Adamant1 (talk) 19:33, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete this seems unessescary. --TheImaCow (talk • contribs) 22:50, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, the current collection is wacky and implausible. A full list of avian related phenomena and incidents would be overly broad.--Eostrix  (🦉 hoot hoot🦉) 13:29, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Perhaps there is special providence in the fall of a sparrow, but this list just can't take flight.
    talk) 06:07, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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  • Delete For now. If there is any potential to create this in future then it can go through draft. Orientls (talk) 18:07, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 19:07, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Gambling.com

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Does not meet

conflict of interest editing. Whisperjanes (talk) 16:31, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete.

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Bunkunmi Oluwasina

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Subject of article lacks in-depth significant coverage in reliable sources hence fails to satisfy

before search shows 0 evidence of notability. This promo article may also have been created by an UPE editor.Celestina007 (talk) 16:16, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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  • Comment — So you have provided us with three sources in this AFD
So let’s get to analyzing look at the table below
Source assessment table:
Source
Independent?
 Reliable? Significant coverage? Count source toward
GNG
?
https://www.premiumtimesng.com/entertainment/nollywood/255388-top-five-yoruba-movie-stars-watch-2018.html No sponsored post No obviously not reliable as the source merely promotes the upcoming entertainers who are clearly not notable enough No Source doesn’t discuss subject of article with significant coverage she is discussed very briefly. ✘ No
https://www.premiumtimesng.com/entertainment/nollywood/371150-10-nollywood-starlets-to-watch-out-for-in-2020.html No sponsored post No The same as my rationale in the first source. No Just as the first source analyzed by same media above this article still doesn’t discuss her with in-depth significant coverage as required to satisfy
WP:GNG
as Subject isn’t the focus of the article but included in a list article 		✘ No
http://www.citypeopleonline.com/30-hot-yoruba-young-actresses-to-watch-in-2020 No sponsored post No No Just like the aforementioned analyzed sources, here again we have a list of 30 “young hot actresses to watch out for in 2020”. giving us next to no significant coverage as required by
WP:GNG
 ✘ No
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Asides the faulty sources used throughout the article, coupled with the undisclosed Paid/COI editing occurring in the article itself, You also mention that subject of the article has won awards(although I haven’t seen any single source that outrightly states for a fact) & you also imply that they have enough google hits to qualify at the very least per

BASIC. The problem is BASIC requires multiple reliable sources, the aforementioned sources are not reliable in this context as they all are literally PR sponsored. Furthermore on “winning awards”, the problem is winning an award in a non-notable category doesn’t count & furthermore even winning a “notable”” award doesn’t necessarily translate to automatic notability. An analogy would be me creating a Wikipedia article for myself as I have won a notable award for playing basketball whilst at college. Judging from what we have learnt thus far & our experience wouldn’t that be an uniformed bizarre action on my part? Celestina007 (talk) 21:57, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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Celestina007, you're even missing the point, the few sources I provided that you analyzed, reveals that she might be notable. Go through the current version of the article here. I believe you're not really following the extensive cleanup and major additions I did today on the article. Go through it and reply me, I'm waiting. —Nnadigoodluck🇳🇬 22:11, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Here on Wikipedia, we're trying to keep notable articles and not necessarily nominating them for deletion for the fun of it. I don't really think that you performed a
WP:BEFORE search before nominating this particular article for deletion. —Nnadigoodluck🇳🇬 22:15, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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If an article is a bit promotional, but the subject of the article is notable, we as New Page Reviewers shouldn't rush into nominating it for deletion, that's what cleanup is for. —Nnadigoodluck🇳🇬 22:18, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
ref bombing? Celestina007 (talk) 22:29, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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With this your comment here, You also mention that subject of the article has won awards(although I haven’t seen any single source that outrightly states for a fact), it reveals that you didn't even perform a
WP:BEFORE search before nominating this article for deletion. The subject of our discussion has been nominated in 7 different notable awards, where she won three. You just added a UPE tag on the article that I've spent the whole day cleaning up and you're saying that you don't say that it's promotional. Just nominating an article for deletion doesn't qualify it for deletion instantly. —Nnadigoodluck🇳🇬 22:37, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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Quit with the
WP:GNG it’s indicative of the inverse like I said. Bring your best three sources to this AFD & let us analyze it. Celestina007 (talk) 22:52, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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After going through the current state of the article and seeing notable awards that the subject of our discussion won, thus passing
WP:ANYBIO, do you still own up to this statement that you made above, You also mention that subject of the article has won awards(although I haven’t seen any single source that outrightly states for a fact)? —Nnadigoodluck🇳🇬 23:03, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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I’ve told you winning an award or multiple awards doesn’t auto confer notability, especially for non relevant categories. When you are ready to bring your best three sources, give me a ping. Celestina007 (talk) 23:19, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
And also, I don't think that the creator of the article User:Oluwaseun1111, created this article to receive payments or compensation, just like you said above This promo article may also have been created by an UPE editor. Per the discussion I had with them on their talk page, I think they're trying to contribute to the project in good faith, but maybe creating poorly sourced articles. Let's not drive good faith editors away from the project, because we can't do all the work alone, we need more editors on the project, especially Nigerian editors like us. Nigerian topics is really lacking on Wikipedia and we need more hands and editors willing to stay on the project. —Nnadigoodluck🇳🇬 23:29, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Extended discussion more about editors than AfD topic
your reverse psychology would undoubtedly affect the unassuming passer by editor. I may be poking at a beehive with nominating this article for AFD & won’t be surprised when the ((Keep)) army start popping up. But I beg you, can you just stay on topic? (sourcing) & not purposefully go off topic? But before we commence on discussing sourcing, what did you just say? That you had what discussion with whom? The creator of this article? this shabby, shady dubious looking one right here? I’ve been involved with nabbing Nigerian UPE editors & those involved in sockpuppetry too long to tell when something isn’t right, we both know no matter how much I try to show you this is a case of
WP:GNG. I personally couldn’t find any. Thank you for your time. Celestina007 (talk) 00:02, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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You didn't do any
WP:BEFORE search before you nominated this particular article for deletion. You nominated this article for deletion almost the same time it was created. When did you then conduct the search you're claiming that you did? The mistake that you're making is thinking that every article nominated for deletion must be deleted. Cleanup is required in some cases, when the subject of the article is truly notable. —Nnadigoodluck🇳🇬 00:10, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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yet again you purposefully digress. Per your comments above “You nominated this article for deletion almost the same time it was created. When did you then conduct the search you're claiming that you did?” The article was created on the 11th of July at exactly 14:44(2:44) as seen here & was nominated for deletion by me at exactly 17:16(5:16) as seen here which is almost 3 hours later so what are you talking about???? How is approximately a three hour difference “nominating an article almost immediately it was created” ? In any case I guess it’s safe to say we aren’t getting the three reliable sources we need to substantiate true notability. That’s fine, it’s non existent is why you cannot get them & without
WP:SIGCOV so how can we then ascertain notability? Celestina007 (talk) 00:36, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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Don't be the reason why we don't have too many Nigerian editors that wish to stay back on the project. Nominating every poorly written article for deletion is not the way forward. When the subject of an article is probably notable through a thoroughly
WP:BEFORE search, cleanup is really required, I'll keep on telling you this, I don't think that you conducted any before search before nominating this article for deletion. —Nnadigoodluck🇳🇬 00:53, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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Don’t make this about me, rather make this about the sourcing & notability of the article. I’ve asked you more than once now to bring your three best sources to prove subject is notable but you always circumnavigate that. If my fighting UPE/COI editing amongst Nigerian editors would keep bad faith editors then fine by me. Now let us analyze something else, this time let’s analyze the awards she has won.
This your award analysis, including the ones about the sourcing is very funny, I just had a great laugh. I thought you said the subject of our discussion didn't win any award per this You also mention that subject of the article has won awards(although I haven’t seen any single source that outrightly states for a fact). It's good that this discussion is finally going somewhere. A subject that was nominated in 7 different awards and won three wholly passes
WP:ANYBIO says that article should be kept if the The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor, or has been nominated for such an award several times. Your cheap attempt to defend this wrongful AfD nomination of yours is not really yielding any fruit, if you had performed a before search, we won't be here wasting our time. —Nnadigoodluck🇳🇬 09:21, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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In this AFD here:
WP:GNG. The three you provided above have been analyzed & are very much flawed. Celestina007 (talk) 10:59, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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Now I truly understand your problem, you think that any editor that challenges you on an AfD has an interest on a particular topic. I'm really disappointed in you for thinking such. I'll keep on saying it, I don't think that you truly performed a
WP:BEFORE search before nominating this article for deletion. —Nnadigoodluck🇳🇬 11:12, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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I did perform a 'before' & No, I never think so(I only fight against Nigerian UPE/COI editors and the articles they create) If good faith editors come & !vote a keep I’d assume utmost good faith. So please for the umpteenth time are you providing to this AFD, any three reliable sources that prove subject of article is truly notable? As the first 3 you provided(that I have analyzed above) are clearly unreliable as they are blatant PR sponsored posts or are you going to keep on evading a very simple request? Thank you for your time I think I am done here for now. Celestina007 (talk) 11:23, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
If
WP:BEFORE search, before nominating an article for deletion and thus driving good faith editors away from the project, especially well meaning Nigerian editors. Now, I've to say that your actions are now getting more disruptive on the project. —Nnadigoodluck🇳🇬 11:36, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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You even went to the extent of accusing a well established editor like Danidamiobi who has spent 5 years on the project of sockpuppetery and UPE related activities, per this SPI case. I have no other thing to say, but your recent activities is becoming more disruptive on the project. —Nnadigoodluck🇳🇬 11:50, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Classic deflection tactics by mudding the water, poisoning the well & attacking my character. Let’s stay on topic at hand here. Thank you. Furthermore @Nnadigoodluck, my knowledge on sourcing really greatly improved hence me getting the NPR flag & a view of my AFD log shows I definitely know what I’m doing, you on the other hand have been caught advertising your services on social media hence Yunshui taking away your Autopatrolled right. Hence I am justified to say you are a/anUPE editor. Thanks again.Celestina007 (talk) 12:10, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Your character on Wikipedia has nothing to write home about, your recent actions are very much disruptive on the project and you're forcing well meaning editors, especially Nigerian editors to exit the project. —Nnadigoodluck🇳🇬 12:15, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Can you quit with
personal attacks. Celestina007 (talk) 12:21, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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Only if you had conducted a
WP:BEFORE before nominating this article for deletion, we won't be here wasting our time. Stop driving away well meaning editors, especially Nigerians editors away from the project. Not every Nigerian editor is engaging in UPE related activities or having a COI with the articles they write about. We still have good and well meaning editors. —Nnadigoodluck🇳🇬 12:31, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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Its not a good thing we are becoming petty about this. I don’t appreciate the mud slinging come from you & of course I myself have hit you hard which isn’t proper but if only you can provide me with three reliable sources we won’t be dragging this. How else can I request that you provide us with three reliable sources to substantiate nor prove their notability? That’s all I require & no I’m not driving away good faith editors, the only ones leaving are the ones who I nabbed engaging in UPE & have no other choice to leave since they clearly weren’t here to build an encyclopedia. Celestina007 (talk) 12:39, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
You can't be telling me to provide you with three sources when Barkeep49 said that “It also makes writing the rest of this difficult. I do not think you are a good fit for the New Page Reviewer permission at this time. I think you have good instincts about notability. However, your ability to consistently assess sources accurately is not there.” You're not yet qualified to accurately access sources at this time. —Nnadigoodluck🇳🇬 12:47, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
And my knowledge on sourcing have greatly improved as my AFD log show. But if you continue to muddy the water & poison the well & aren’t going to provide us cogent three reliable sources for me to analyze i hereby rest my case & wait for community consensus. Furthermore like I said if my sourcing knowledge & analysis hadn’t significantly improved I won’t get the NPR flag but my exponential improvement was what eventually granted me that. Attack me all you want but your ineptitude at identifying reliable sources & inability to provide to this AFD reliable sources, it shows you have nothing to offer other than your attempt to assassinate my character is quite indicative of the obvious (non notability of subject of our discussion) & speaks volume of your person/character. Furthermore what do you intend to achieve by using my teacher’s (Barkeep49) constructive criticism against me? Which aided me a lot in my knowledge on sourcing as my AFD log easily shows. That’s classic poisoning the well. I hereby rest my case.Celestina007 (talk) 13:10, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
You haven't improved in assessing sources, it's very clear through this ongoing discussion. Your ability to consistently assess sources accurately is still not there. —Nnadigoodluck🇳🇬 13:18, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The ones I analyzed above shows my analyzing sourcing ability is very much apt. Point to me which analysis is wrong? You can’t, because I’m very much correct as all are blatant sponsored posts.Celestina007 (talk) 13:30, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Your analysis is not “very much apt”. Stop praising yourself for the hoax you did up there. Please, don't tell me that you spent a whole 6 months on NPP school learning nothing in general. —Nnadigoodluck🇳🇬 13:36, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
quit with the personal attacks & try to stay on point. Celestina007 (talk) 13:43, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I'll keep on saying it, your assessment of sources is equal to zero. For someone that has stayed a whole four years on the project, I really expect much better, but, instead, you're proving me wrong. —Nnadigoodluck🇳🇬 13:50, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
My AFD Log shows my veracity when it comes to sourcing, so like I said stop attacking me by using
WP:PAID to ensure the article is retained at all cost(Per your usual advertising of your Wikipedia service on social as Yunshi once nabbed you & removed your Autopatrolled rights just endeavor to disclose it & quit badgering this AFD with your personal attacks against me. Celestina007 (talk) 13:43, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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It's obvious that we can never get anywhere through this AfD discussion, but, I'll still tell you to stop driving good faith editors away from the project, especially good faith Nigerian editors, not everyone is PAID or has a COI with an article they create. And mind you, when someone is challenging your hoax AfD nomination, that doesn't mean they must have a COI with the subject. I thought you know better? Please, don't tell me that you've wasted your whole four years here on the project, learning nothing. —Nnadigoodluck🇳🇬 14:08, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Since I've been pinged to this discussion twice, I'm collapsing this discussion. Most of it is not about Oluwasina. If there are concerns about editor behavior take it up on their talk page or an appropriate conduct forum. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 15:29, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment — It should be noted that subject of article is supposed to be an actress & singer but doesn’t fulfill any single criterion from
    WP:SINGER. Celestina007 (talk) 00:06, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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@
not civil in our discussion above, I also share responsibility in how our conversation degenerated in the manner in which it did. Celestina007 (talk) 09:52, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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Shame on you Celestina007. On 24 December 2019, Scope creep removed the awards you added to the Liz Anjorin article you created yourself as can be seen here, citing “non-notable awards”. You approached them on their talk page as can be seen here, saying “Hey do you think the Special Recoginntion Award by City People Entertainment Awards is not notable enough? Come on discuss with me”., they didn't answer you and on 17 January 2020, you reverted them as can be seen here. This is the same award the subject of our discussion has won which you yourself clarified that they're notable enough last year. How are we now going to take you by your words in this your dubious AfD nomination? Even though we are all aware that you spammed the Autopatrolled user rights by creating 25 articles only in December 2019, as can be seen here, just like you've been collecting other hats to oppress good faith new editors and boost your ego. What has happened since then, why haven't you created any new article since obtaining the user rights in January?? I could go on and on, but, let me stop here for now. —Nnadigoodluck🇳🇬 11:40, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nnadigoodluck, Quit with the
aspersions. Celestina007 (talk) 12:37, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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Celestina007, Nnadigoodluck, it would be best for you to both step away from this AfD. Perhaps unwatch it. You've both stated your position and now it's time to let others comment. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 13:28, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
reliable sources be presented for analysis to this AFD as the first three he provided were unreliable sources but have gotten nothing from Nnadigoodluck other than vehement personal attacks. I have no vested interest(and have never had) in the creation nor deletion of this article or any other article hence I’m never afraid to do what is right. Thank you for the mediation captain. Celestina007 (talk) 13:43, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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The result was soft delete. Based on

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Traeger Grills

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Fails

WP:NCORP. Brochure article. scope_creepTalk 16:12, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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  • Delete There doesn't seem to be anything notable about this company. A few mentions in a local newspaper about lawsuits and a passing connection to Skullcandy doesn't do it and that's all there seems to be. --Adamant1 (talk) 23:38, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 04:25, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Vumile Msweli

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Spam and notability tagged. Fails

WP:BIO. Lots of coverage but much of it self-generated. scope_creepTalk 15:54, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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  • Delete non notable --Devokewater (talk) 18:35, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete 'Edit: She has about 10 reported mentions, but they are largely simply that: mentions. I could find little of any substance. Fails BIO.' Original: I'm looking into this, but access to African news sources shows some stuff. A quick search revealed multiple mentions in South African publications. I have her quoted as an expert on an article in 2019 in City Press, 2018 in City Press, coverage of her Elle award from 2016, and coverage from 2002 about high school achievements in the Sunday Times (biggest paper in SA). These alone do not add up to notability, but I have a couple other South African publications come up and I'm looking into those. Please don't close until I can remove the placeholder--it is closer than the current content makes it seem. AbstractIllusions (talk) 18:19, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete a non-notable businesswoman.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:49, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 04:25, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

GroupM

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Promo. We have

WPP Group) so should just be deleted. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 15:33, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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  • Delete I totally agree with the nominators reason for why there shouldn't be an article on this. Plus, the sources in the article are extremely trivial and don't pass
    WP:NCORP. --Adamant1 (talk) 23:41, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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  • Delete as per all. -Hatchens (talk) 04:58, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Happy to temp undelete somewhere if someone is prepared to create some categories or more manageable lists that could be maintainable

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List of politicians convicted of crimes

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I would guess the number of entries possible here would be somewhere in the millions. This list is unmanageable and fairly indiscriminate aside from "convicted of a crime" and is a BLP nightmare waiting to happen. Praxidicae (talk) 14:43, 3 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete (I was writing this as the nomination statement, so apologies if it's a little less like a normal comment) This risks becoming something akin to List of people who have ever lived - attempting to list every politician who has ever committed a crime is going to become an indiscriminate mess of notable and non-notable persons, so we'll then have the usual fights over notable and non-notable politicians. There will be the obligatory BLP violations. The edit warring over convictions which have been appealed, overturned, dismissed, pardoned etc. We don't have any indication of the inclusion criteria, will parking tickets or trivial criminal code violations warrant inclusion on the list, and if so, we're then back to BLP violations once again. What about those politicians convicted more than once of the same offence, or of difference offences, on different dates. I will support the creation of a couple of very specific lists - List of politicians convicted of treason would potentially be worth pursuing, as would List of politicians convicted by the International Criminal Court. I'd maybe even accept List of politicians convicted of murder, but if we're including general crimes, most of which will have been committed outwith public office, I can't see how it's notable or will ever be anything other than an indiscriminate collection of data. Nick (talk) 14:54, 3 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. I agree that this is overbroad as structured; note that it's a new creation by a new editor. But that just means this would be best served as a list of lists. The nominator and commenter above are off base in thinking that this is something that can't or shouldn't be listed, as it is something that we categorize (and "it's too hard" is not a deletion argument). Category:Politicians convicted of crimes has a very well developed subcategory structure that sublists could parallel, such as by nationality, or by particular crime such as corruption, etc. We do have some more targeted lists existing here and there, such as List of American federal politicians convicted of crimes. postdlf (talk) 15:48, 3 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep This should be reconfigured as a list of lists as we have numerous pages for this already, including:
  1. Category:British politicians convicted of crimes
  2. Category:Politicians convicted of crimes
  3. List of American federal politicians convicted of crimes
  4. Category:Politicians convicted of crimes by nationality
  5. List of American state and local politicians convicted of crimes
  6. Category:English politicians convicted of crimes
  7. Category:American politicians convicted of crimes
  8. Category:Irish politicians convicted of crimes
  9. Category:Indian politicians convicted of crimes
  10. Category:Politicians convicted of corruption
See also
WP:CLN
which explains that we maintain a variety of methods of navigation, as they complement each other.
Andrew🐉(talk) 18:42, 3 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep. This is an indiscriminate list topic, but in agreement with some of the other contributors to this discussion I would prefer to split this into sub-lists based on either nationality or type of crime. This could be a discussion after AfD. Ajf773 (talk) 02:41, 4 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep agree with comments of Ajf773.Shyamsunder (talk) 06:58, 4 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete or split. To be effective, such list should be organized by country, e.g. List of British politicians convicted of crimes. I think it should not exist in present state. The lists can be incomplete, but not that much. Lists covering less than 0.0001% of subjects/objects which need to be included are misleading. My very best wishes (talk) 00:55, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • On balance, Keep. I don't think the criteria is necessarily vague given the word "convicted". In accordance with
    WP:NLIST, this list could aide Wikipedia readers for navigation and information. There are plenty of blue links and notable politicians here. We could potentially consider it a dynamic list. Patiodweller (talk) 21:29, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 15:52, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Xaxis (business)

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Pure promo. The product of undisclosed paid editing (see talk notice I added and history). The given sources are not independent or reliable. Even if the company is notable it'd require a fundamental rewrite with different sources, so at minimum

WP:TNT applies. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 15:25, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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  • Delete Sourcing is extremely horrible and it's doubtful there is anything better out there or the paid editor would have use it. I think
    WP:TNT applies also, but everything in the article is extremely trivial and I don't see a re-rewrite changing that. --Adamant1 (talk) 23:47, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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  • Delete Yip. Brochure article. scope_creepTalk 22:07, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy delete under G11 unalloyed promotional material. No difference between this and a press release. Check it out at its most expansive. The original author had 100% Xaxis-related edits. --Lockley (talk) 20:36, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn, no arguments for deletion. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 02:11, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

2020 Foxwoods Resort Casino 301

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This article is about an event that has not occurred as of yet i.e. a future event. However, sections of the article have been written as if the event have already been completed.

E.g. Commentators who have called the race.

In addition, the page also has empty tables e.g. starting grid, finishing results etc.

Recommending that this article be deleted / moved to draft and reintroduced once the event is over. Alternately, this article should be rewritten as an upcoming event with all future dependent actions modified accordingly and the tables removed.

These can be added after the event, of course.

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Speedy Keep based on the fixes implemented by

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  • Keep per deletion rationale. "article should be rewritten as an upcoming event with all future dependent actions modified accordingly and the tables removed." I see no reason why a copyedit cannot be done on the page. Willsome429 (say hey or see my edits!) 20:05, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy keep as I have made simple copyedits to fix tense problems. This addresses the nominator's concerns and I would urge
    WP:BOLD (Fix it yourself instead of just talking about it. If you notice an unambiguous error or problem that any reasonable person would recommend fixing, the best course of action may be to be bold and fix it yourself rather than bringing it to someone's attention in the form of a comment or complaint.) PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 05:29, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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The result was withdrawn. I started this discussion, then the WP:INDIA thread, and the points made there are reasonable enough that I might not agree with the creation of such a page but can see how it's worth including. Primefac (talk) 21:39, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Bijli Pasi

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The tone of this article implies that this is nothing but revisionist/whitewashed Indian historical fiction; in the last decade or so there has been a major push to imply that the so-called "untouchable" lower castes just happened to historically contain famous kings and great individuals and so of course they should ignore all that time where they were the lowest of the low because of society/government policies. Primefac (talk) 12:55, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep: Of course it's revisionist; most folk histories of Indian castes seem to be completely made up. But the figure is clearly notable, as a simple Google search shows. Sitush has
    Sanskritization stuff. Regards, TryKid [dubious – discuss] 14:17, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete. Tone 16:36, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Uttarbanger Gramunnayan

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Non-notable newspaper. Zero coverage in third-party souces. Article created by the newspaper owner/publisher/editor ([2]).—J. M. (talk) 11:52, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Tone 16:36, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Joseph Merhi

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Minimally-sourced BLP—the only citation is a now-dead link to a New York Times database of films.

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  • Delete we need way better sourcing than this to demonstrate that a filmmaker is notable. Films, filmmakers, actors and actresses have had articles kept for far too long with no justification of notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:05, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to

Star Wars fandom. Tone 16:37, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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The Fandom Menace

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non-notable fan group Praxidicae (talk) 11:40, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Tone 16:37, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hybridmaster

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Zero evidence of existance as a breed or notability. Charles (talk) 10:49, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete. One verifiable mention in Gbooks (this book), but no information about it. No relevant hit on Scholar. Not mentioned in standard reference sources for cattle breeds including:
  • Valerie Porter, Lawrence Alderson, Stephen J.G. Hall, D. Phillip Sponenberg (2016). Mason's World Encyclopedia of Livestock Breeds and Breeding (sixth edition). Wallingford: CABI.
    ISBN 9781780647944
    .
  • Marleen Felius (1995). Cattle Breeds: An Encyclopedia. Doetinchem, Netherlands: Misset.
    ISBN 9789054390176
    .
  • DAD-IS (http://www.fao.org/dad-is/browse-by-country-and-species/en/)
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  • Delete. While the supposed breeder seems to exist (Joe Grose is mentioned in a few papers involving cattle found during a quick google search), none of these indicate he bred such a cow at any point.

Further investigation show that it was apparently on the site for Embryo Plus at one point. I strongly advise talking to them about this.

http://www.embryoplus.com/

http://web.archive.org/web/20030121152439/http://www.embryoplus.com/cattle_hybrid.html

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The result was delete. Tone 16:38, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Rulers of the Planet

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Non-notable band. I happened upon this article in my patrol of

WP:TOOSOON guidelines as any I've seen. (The COI/SPA/PROMO overtones in the article's creation are also concerning). Guliolopez (talk) 20:14, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply
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  • Comment Is this notable? It's not that long, but it's still an album review. But aside from this, I did not found anything reliable other than the standard unreliable sites like Discogs, Facebook, Amazon, the site of their record label and stuff where the words appear separately. GhostDestroyer100 (talk) 17:27, 3 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Sandstein 14:24, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Aditya Raut

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Fails WP:GNG. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 22:07, 3 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete the coverage is not enough to pass the general notability guidelines.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:45, 4 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - Article is currently badly sourced, but the subject may have some notability. "However, the youngest person to swim the Cook Strait is Aditya Raut, from India, who was 11 at the time of his swim in 2005.", as per 1, [2], [3] — Infogapp1 (talk) 23:33, 8 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete I don't think that being the youngest person to swim the Cook Strait is a sufficient accomplishment to grant automatic WP notability. The coverage in the article seems fall under
    WP:NOTNEWS. The first two sources mentioned by Infogapp1 mention Aditya Raut only in passing and I don't see his name in the third source at all (which is only about a school swimming competition). Papaursa (talk) 13:52, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete.

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Twenty Twenty (group)

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This article may be a case of

WP:TOOSOON. No charting musical releases, and sources are either mostly from primary sources. Article lists TokyoHive and Arama! Japan as sources which may be unreliable, as Arama! Japan is a gossip blog and TokyoHive translates but does not credit their sources. lullabying (talk) 00:40, 3 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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  • Delete. This is just a temporary group without much attention yet.Resowithrae (talk) 16:34, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as TOOSOON: even a rudimentry understanding of the language indicates the paucity of the sourcing: as noted, it's a concoction of WP:MILL, WP:SPS and generally fluffy press-releases, all of which are insufficient to pass WP:BASIC, and especially not in an article with BLP considerations. ——Serial 16:27, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect to
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The result was keep.

(non-admin closure) - Flori4nK t • c 14:10, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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Zee Live

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The article relates to a subsidiary of

WP:NOTINHERITED and lack of any substantial coverage of this subsidiary it does not seem to satisfy the notability criteria. Tayi Arajakate Talk 16:42, 4 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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  • Keep just enough coverage from sources to have an article.CreativeNorth (talk) 12:01, 7 July 2020 (UTC)CreativeNorth[reply]
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  • Keep. It has enough sources for verifiable notability. Other problems with page, but on an up-or-down AfD decision, keep. --Lockley (talk) 19:32, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Not the best article but certainly notable (
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The result was soft delete. Based on

"soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 04:26, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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The Arlington Institute

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It exists, it does interesting research...but there is no coverage to indicate it meets

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The result was delete. Tone 16:38, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

DJ Godfather

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Unreferenced stub, fails

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The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn. (non-admin closure) U1 quattro TALK 09:47, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]


Ruf RK Coupe

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Only one source is cited and that is too the manufacturer source which is not a criteria for a good article. Also, there is too little of information about this car to merit its own article. It is better off as a section at the Ruf automobile page. U1 quattro TALK 09:07, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The source part I get, and I can add some more sources for sure, as well more info on the car, but I will say the info is no worse than the thousands of other small or stub automotive articles on here. But yeah I can definitely bring this article up to par without too much trouble. TKOIII (talk) 00:09, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That would be very helpful TKOIII. The reason why I nominated this article is because of how poorly it is drafted and sourced. Wiki can do better with less articles like these.U1 quattro TALK 04:39, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Habibur Rahman Misbah

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There are sources in the article. These made the article

WP:GNG Arif (talk) 07:30, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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  • Why is the delete tag added to this article?

He is famous in Bangladesh. So I try to Add Some Bangladeshi national news portal. For All types- For All types For images - Images For videos - Videos For news search in Bangla - news

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He is an editor of 👉 Editorial

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For books - Books

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For newspaper authenticity. See -

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NahidSultan, আফতাবুজ্জামান, DelwarHossain brother, I hope your comment, after deleting the Article on Bengali Wikipedia, he is also creating the Article in Urdu, Arabic and English.

Owais Bin Elias Brother Wikipedia adheres the rules, although Habibur Rahman Mesbah is popular in Bangladesh and the references given by the Article for verification are unreliable. Doing news in a national newspaper is not enough to Article .Arif (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 13:48, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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* Delete A terrible case of

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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 13:12, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

List of songs named after dates

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The talk page calls this a listified version of a deleted category, but I can't find any evidence of that. Anyway, fails

WP:INDISCRIMINATE; it's hard to see any encyclopedic value to a selection of songs united by nothing more than happening to have numbers in the title. — Kawnhr (talk) 06:09, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 13:14, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

List of songs named after people

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Listified version of a deleted category (see

WP:INDISCRIMINATE collection of information. If this is deemed noteworthy, then the content should at least be split up by topic. — Kawnhr (talk) 06:01, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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Clarityfiend You mean like List of songs about cities and similar categories? --Richhoncho (talk) 08:47, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That's a list of songs by subject ("songs about..."), which is a substantive and appropriate way to index cultural works. postdlf (talk) 00:34, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was nomination withdrawn (non-admin closure).

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2020 O'Reilly Auto Parts 500

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This article is about an event that has not occurred as of yet i.e. a future event. However, sections of the article have been written as if the event have already been completed.

E.g. Commentators who have called the race.

In addition, the page also has empty tables e.g. starting grid, finishing results etc.

Recommending that this article be deleted / moved to draft and reintroduced once the event is over. Alternately, this article should be rewritten as an upcoming event with all future dependent actions modified accordingly and the tables removed.

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Speedy Keep. Updating nomination to Speedy Keep and closing this discussion based on the edits made by

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  • Speedy Keep per above. We're gonna draft an event that happens in *8 days*? Throw a copyedit tag on it instead and call it good. Willsome429 (say hey or see my edits!) 13:16, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I'm more concerned that the article is without any meaningful references. The citations are to the NASCAR website with a broken link from 2013 (not sure how that works for an article so recently made) and to what appears to be another NASCAR website only showing date/time and broadcaster, not anything about the broadcast personnel. A7V2 (talk) 13:46, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I see that the language around commentators has been changed to future tense. That is good. Can we remove the empty tables for starting grid, finishing board etc.? Those tables can be introduced after the race is completed. Alternately, I also liked
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bold and remove the tables and change the tense. Nothing is stopping you from doing that. Willsome429 (say hey or see my edits!) 15:25, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete. Tone 16:39, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Dylan Vox

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despite the many claims of notability in the article the sources do not prove any notability. 1)IMDB is not reliable, 2) its an advertise, 3) is a passing mention, 4) is an article he wrote (primary source), 5) and 6) are winners of porn prize, which do not count anymore to prove notability since pornbio was deprecated. further researches did not show any significant coverage. AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 09:34, 3 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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which coverage do you refer to exactly? --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 16:48, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete The only sources that exist about the person aren't reliable or trivial, and award nominations/wins don't work for notability. So, I'm not seeing why there should be an article about this person. --Adamant1 (talk) 06:35, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. There are indeed three directing credits in IMDB -- all for low-budget films beneath attention. The editing history on this page is long and curious, including an attempt by an editor claiming to be his manager to scrub porn-related content. I see a busy career but no notable projects or accomplishments. --Lockley (talk) 23:30, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 02:02, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Kurt Emmerich

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This is borderline, hence sitting in

WP:BIO, though tricky as no specific guidelines for sports announcers. Did have a minor access road named after him, which implies he was considered of significance locally. Boleyn (talk) 08:30, 3 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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    WP:MILL. There were many sports reporters in the 20th century. Bearian (talk) 22:20, 9 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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  • Delete per nom --Devokewater (talk) 12:39, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. The German-language version provides no evidence of the need for an English-language version. --Lockley (talk) 07:53, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Inga Brooksby

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No significant coverage per

WP:ENT. She had one significant television series role, four minor television roles, and she was in a television advertisement. SL93 (talk) 05:20, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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The result was keep. Tone 16:39, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Scapegoat (band)

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Fails

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  • Comment I think the editor who created this thinks its meets
    WP:BAND 5.Has released two or more albums on a major record label or on one of the more important indie labels (i.e., an independent label with a history of more than a few years, and with a roster of performers, many of whom are independently notable) as they have released two albums on Tragic Hero Records. Davidstewartharvey (talk) 05:58, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply
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Just done a gsearch and there is major problem trying to find any refs for this band - There is 4 bands with this name - 1 from Japan, 1 from Germany, 1 from Bulgaria and this one.Davidstewartharvey (talk) 06:01, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was nomination withdrawn (non-admin closure).

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2020 Super Start Batteries 400

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This article is about an event that has not occurred as of yet i.e. a future event. However, sections of the article have been written as if the event have already been completed.

E.g. Commentators who have called the race.

In addition, the page also has empty tables e.g. starting grid, finishing results etc.

Recommending that this article be deleted / moved to draft and reintroduced once the event is over. Alternately, this article should be rewritten as an upcoming event with all future dependent actions modified accordingly and the tables removed.

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Speedy Keep. Changing nomination to a speedy keep based on the fixes by

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  • Keep, mostly procedural This is now a redirect (and it was a double redirect). I'm not sure how much you know about NASCAR, but the race was only confirmed this week (they have been setting their schedule in chunks post-pandemic). Also, the race is less than two weeks away, so it's not unreasonable.
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Kaisertalk, do you have any notability concerns about the article? Because if not, it really should not be an AfD matter. Willsome429 (say hey or see my edits!) 06:04, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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Kaisertalk, I have participated in over 500 Articles for Deletion discussions and cannot off the top of my head remember one that was not about notability. Your rationale for this (and others) does not seem to fit any of the descriptors is Wikipedia:Introduction to deletion process#When to use the deletion process? and actually seems to fit more in the Wikipedia:Introduction to deletion process#When to not use deletion process?, specifically the first bullet point: "Articles that are in bad shape – these can be tagged for cleanup or attention, or improved through editing." Please clarify if I am missing something, but it seems like this batch of NASCAR-related AfDs really just should've been cleanup tags. Willsome429 (say hey or see my edits!) 20:27, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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Willsome429. Well, I have not participated in over 500 Articles for Deletion discussions, so you have this one. :) But, to say that off the top of the head, you are unable to think of one that was not about notability, might speak about frequency bias. Per the same link that you point out, i.e. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Introduction_to_deletion_process#When_to_use_the_deletion_process? of the four reasons mentioned there, at least three of them (if not all four) are not about Notability. Further more, at this link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Introduction_to_deletion_process#Deletion_discussions , one of the six reasons is notability.
Passing off a race that has not occurred, as something that has been completed e.g. commentators calling the race, empty tables, etc. is outright inaccurate, and inaccurate at scale (considering that this has been done for more than one race).
Really, there are three outcomes that I see here, each one is as good as the other, and I will lean on the AfD process to accordingly make a call.
Outcome 1: Delete the article and re-introduce once the race is completed, and the article is rewritten in the past perfect tense.
Outcome 2: Move to Draft
WP:DRAFTIFY
continue to revise the article, and once the race is completed, the article is introduced back into the mainspace.
Outcome 3: Keep the article as-is and have topically knowledgeable editors attempt an
WP:HEY
and rewrite the article to remove the future dependent elements, and write the article as an upcoming event.
I also agree with the viewpoint that many folks are expressing that Outcomes 2 and 3 do not require the AfD process. But, these are legitimate outcomes of the AfD process, and that is where we are now.
Good luck, and please let me know if I can help in anyway.
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I would like one more piece of help - I looked through all ten reasons that you linked and cannot find any that fit this scenario. If you could point me to the reason that this went to AfD, that would be appreciated. Willsome429 (say hey or see my edits!) 04:08, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy keep as I have made simple copyedits to fix tense problems. This addresses the nominator's concerns and I would urge
    WP:BOLD (Fix it yourself instead of just talking about it. If you notice an unambiguous error or problem that any reasonable person would recommend fixing, the best course of action may be to be bold and fix it yourself rather than bringing it to someone's attention in the form of a comment or complaint.) PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 05:27, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete. North America1000 12:15, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

South West Kolkata

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Not a neighbourhood/locality of Kolkata. Not supported in the city municipality website also. More like original reearch. Delete or merge with Kolkata/South Kolkata. Titodutta (talk) 04:59, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete. No potential sources could be found. Seems like a
    WP:OR compilation of localities in the southwesternish Kolkata area. The first part of the article reads like a horribly written summary of Behala. --Danre98(talk^contribs) 00:48, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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The result was keep.

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Amy Kennedy

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This article should be reviewed by the community, as an article whose subject does not pass

notability is not inherited
.) A recent close remarked that political candidates are usually redirected if they are known only for their campaigns: See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Annamie Paul. Is this a typical case or an exception? Robert McClenon (talk) 04:38, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep - Does the subject of this article not have "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject" - and therefore has general notability?! steinwinde (talk) 12:48, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Regional and national. Djflem (talk) 15:42, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Can someone point to a similar case where a major party candidate (as in nominee) in a competitive congressional election had a BLP merged/deleted? jps (talk) 11:06, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • Scott Wallace (politician)? He was technically a major party candidate and it was a district that "should" have been competitive, but he was an awful candidate (in a boring way, not a scandals way) and nobody cared about him. No Afd just noncontroversially redirected. Per above, the media isn't "fair" sometimes. Kennedy's gotten 100x the attention Wallace did. (And User:Muboshgu , who redirected Wallace, is the creator of the Kennedy article, so it's not a radical inclusionist vs. radical deletionist thing.) SnowFire (talk) 15:58, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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Yeah, when the media pay attention, it seems understandable when Wikipedia does as well. Thanks for the example as I think it serves as an exception that proves the rule. In general major party nominees in competitive districts are going to end up being notable enough for a bio... and that should be discoverable through press coverage. jps (talk) 17:29, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. North America1000 12:07, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Bluegrass Motorsports Club & Road Course

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Appears to be about a non-notable (defunct?) business. Cannot find in searches (other than to discuss its incomplete construction), and the only reference does not support the claims made in this stub. MapleSoy (talk) 04:08, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. North America1000 09:58, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Alexander D. Henderson III

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GNG fail. This was prodded, but the tag was removed by the same user who created it: the article subject's son. COI aside, I do not see what is notable about this guy.

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The result was merge to

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Padmaloka Buddhist Retreat Centre

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Exists, but doesn't meet

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  • Merge to Lesingham House. The merge target proposed above, Triratna Buddhist Community, has many centres and does not provide detail on any of them, so this (unexceptional) one would look weird if merged there. I suggest instead therefore we merge to Lesingham House which houses the retreat centre, and could quite logically house a paragraph on the subject. Chiswick Chap (talk) 19:17, 4 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Tone 16:40, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Bibrod Tirth

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The idol may be notable, but the building is not, and we would need clear, reliable refs to establish the notability for an article on the idol. Boleyn (talk) 20:24, 3 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 02:33, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

List of autobiographical songs

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For starters, the page is almost entirely unsourced and surely a

WP:INDISCRIMINATE list. — Kawnhr (talk) 02:28, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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    WP:SALAT problem here, and per nom. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 03:47, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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  • Delete per nom. In addition, the criteria for inclusion are not well-defined. "Howard Hughes" by Rasputina is indeed about Howard Hughes, but that makes it biographical, not autobiographical; Hughes was obviously not a member of the band which formed long after he died. "How Do You Sleep?" presents John Lennon's opinion about Paul McCartney, but it's not about Lennon; it's about McCartney. "Hey Jude" is commonly said to be about Julian Lennon, but it wasn't written by Julian nor does it even contain any biographical information about him; the lyrics are structured as advice to the addressee rather than describing the life of "Jude". If this article winds up being kept, I recommend reorganizing it as a table rather than having separate lists by title and by artist. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 04:19, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete When I woke up this morning/You were on my mind/And you were on my mind/I got troubles, whoa-oh..." That's an autobiographical song because it is about *I* - whether it is factual is another issue. Also, per above nominations. Pointlessness at it's finest. --Richhoncho (talk) 08:58, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: Per
    WP:TRIVIA. ASTIG😎 (ICE T • ICE CUBE) 09:09, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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  • Delete not enough sources to actually establish this is a thing.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:25, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete and suggested Snowball. I very much like @Richhoncho:'s comment "pointlessness at its finest" and their suggestion that literally dozens or hundreds of blues songs that start "I woke up this morning..." could qualify here, if there were any sensible criteria for inclusion here, which there ain't. --Lockley (talk) 18:34, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nomination. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 10:22, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. I am a little on the fence here because I could see a list of autobiographical songs being a meaningful category, similar to autobiographical books, but this list is nowhere near that so if such a list were to be created it would need to start from scratch. For example, "
    Ballad of John and Yoko" and "New York City" both relate real life events using real names and places and so could legitimately be part of a list of autobiographical songs. So too could "Mother," since we know it refers to real life events involving his own real life parents. But there are other of his songs that name names that are more generic in expressing emotions to a son or wife, like "Beautiful Boy (Darling Boy)" or "Oh Yoko!" which are hardly "autobiographical" in the sense of an autobiographical book. Similarly, we know "Woman" and many of his other songs are directed towards Yoko Ono, but are no more autobiographical than many, many other songs. Or "Norwegian Wood (This Bird Has Flown)," which we know was based on a real life event but was fictionalized so it doesn't really fit an autobiographical song list. Or "Help!", which apparently reflects his real life emotions but again, is hardly more autobiographical than many songs that reflect the singer's or writer's own emotions. Or moving off Lennon a bit, I am sure that Paul McCartney saw a 17 year old he wanted to dance with at some point in his life but that doesn't make "I Saw Her Standing There" an autobiographical song in any meaningful sense. So while I can see creating very tight guidelines for such a list, this list is nothing like that and is either trivia or indiscriminate (or really both). Rlendog (talk) 16:07, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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The result was merge to Christopher Evans (author). North America1000 09:47, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The Hood's Army Trilogy

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Non-notable book series. I can find an entry on the Internet Speculative Fiction Database, an open wiki, as well as a few blogs. This topic is so obscure that I'm getting mostly hits for John Bell Hood's Army of Tennessee. Hog Farm Bacon 01:56, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 01:55, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Billy Dugan

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Doesn't appear to meet

WP:NGRIDIRON. The article is very out of date, but based on ESPN's profile of him, he doesn't seem to have gone far after Youngstown State. [3]. A Google search brings up that basically blank ESPN entry, a few hits published by the university he played football for talking about him signing for football, some college football blogs, and that's about it. Appears to be an incredibly obscure college football player at a non-prominent school that didn't go on to the NFL after graduating 10 years ago. Hog Farm Bacon 01:51, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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Delete The fact that the "source" used links to an archived website tells you he isn't notable Oaktree b (talk) 01:55, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Non notable --Devokewater (talk) 12:44, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete I am not even sure he ever played at Youngstown State (not one of the major powerhouses in football), he was a redshirt in 2008. Clearly we need to inprove our process on the creation of articles. We need to make every new articles go through AfC, an article should not be able to sit for 12 years covering a person who has not even started college football.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:26, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to

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Californians for Equal Rights

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Blatantly promotional, no sources Jac16888 Talk 00:17, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy keep. Updated based on the actions from

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2020 Drydene 311 (Sunday)

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Seems like a future event - August 23rd, 2020. Also has empty tables for starting grid, finishing grid etc. Should either move it to the user's sandbox, or to a draft space until the event is over.

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  • Keep this is well within WikiProject NASCAR's notability standards. If a user wants to remove empty tables that's fine but I see no notability issue here. Willsome429 (say hey or see my edits!) 20:11, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy keep. Updated based on the actions from

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2020 Drydene 311 (Saturday)

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This article is about a future event. I understand that it has been announced. However, parts of the article have been written as if the event is completed. E.g. the commentators who called the race.

In addition, the article has empty tables for starting grid, finishing grid etc. (as you can imagine, for a future event).

Article should either be deleted, moved to the draft space and published after the event is over. Alternately, if this is truly a "coming soon" article, it needs to be rewritten as such.

Good luck,

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  • Move to draft space. When the event happens, rename the article to exclude Saturday, and then move it to the mainspace again. The draft will also help develop it while the event is happening, and when the event is done, the article will be done as well. --Guitarist28 (talk) 22:17, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep The Saturday part is a necessary disambiguation of the title due to multiple events of the same name. Per the deletion rationale, I see no reason why a
    bold copyedit of the page cannot be done to clean up grammatical issues that do not affect notability. Willsome429 (say hey or see my edits!) 20:21, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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The result was speedy keep. Updating nomination based on actions by

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2020 Consumers Energy 500

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This article is about an event that has not occurred as of yet i.e. a future event. However, sections of the article have been written as if the event have already been completed.

E.g. Commentators who have called the race.

In addition, the page also has empty tables e.g. starting grid, finishing results etc.

Recommending that this article be deleted / moved to draft and reintroduced once the event is over. Alternately, this article should be rewritten as an upcoming event with all future dependent actions modified accordingly and the tables removed.

Good luck,

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  • Speedy keep AfD is not cleanup. No valid reason for deletion has been suggested. If the article needs to be rewritten, that is an editing issue. Seems to be sufficiently sourced and likely to occur that there is no
    WP:BEFORE. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DESiegel (talk • contribs
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  • Keep
    WP:TNT is not even close to applying; AfD is one heck of a fancy way to write {{copyedit}} at the top of a page. Willsome429 (say hey or see my edits!) 20:03, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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The result was speedy keep. Updated nomination based on edits by

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2020 FireKeepers Casino 500

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This article is about an event that has not occurred as of yet i.e. a future event. However, sections of the article have been written as if the event have already been completed.

E.g. Commentators who have called the race.

In addition, the page also has empty tables e.g. starting grid, finishing results etc.

Recommending that this article be deleted / moved to draft and reintroduced once the event is over. Alternately, this article should be rewritten as an upcoming event with all future dependent actions modified accordingly and the tables removed.

Good luck,

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Speedy Keep. Updating nomination to a speedy keep based on the updates from

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  • Redirect to a date agnostic page or attempt a
    WP:HEY
    and rewrite this article as a future event (future tense) with unknowns removed, including starting grid, ending leaderboard etc.

Also, in somewhat of a light vein, with due respect to @

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notability, which your examples would not have. In any case the person nominating an article for deletion should show policy-based reasons why the article should not exist. Problems which can be fixed by simply editing the article are not reasons to delete. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 01:31, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply
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Good deal @DESiegel:. I definitely do not want to misinterpret what you have stated. In the same vein, I will also add a minor clarification that I didn't recommend that this needs to be deleted because it is a future event. My concern is that this page is / was written as a future event that has already been completed. E.g. Commentators X and Y called the race. Also, empty tables for the leaderboard, starting grid etc.
Also, I see your point -- you are saying that all of the above quality issues should be corrected by editing the article.
My thinking is that this should be in the draft space and should not come into mainspace until it is fixed and or the event is over. Alternately, a redirect to a higher level page.
Now, the irony is that this style of article build out has been done for more than one of these races. Funnily, the author has been removing the delete boxes, or recommendations even while the conversation is occurring.
But, all these aside -- if the outcome of the AFD process is a redirect or a move to draft that would be the best outcome to ensure that a Wikipage doesn't appear online with such glaring lapses.
In closing note, like I mentioned earlier, I defer to your good judgement. You have been extremely kind and patient with me on
WP:TEAHOUSE
when I (or others like me) would ask questions, and I truly believe that you are a great ambassador for Wikipedia. Please recommend as you deem fit (from a decision standpoint), and I will follow your lead. Good Evening. :)
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Thank you for those kind words,
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I understand
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Keep I don't see the point of bringing something like this through the (potentially) drawn-out AfC process when the event itself is less than a month away. The topic is clearly within WikiProject NASCAR's standards. Willsome429 (say hey or see my edits!) 20:18, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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