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I would suggest that we translate the information from the article in Mandarin and add the content here. Right now the article is too short to provide a comprehensive overview. For example, we can talk about actions taken by other places like Singapore, Taiwan, Hong Kong and so on. Thanks. TheGreatSG'rean (talk) 17:35, 6 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

the only case ex-China is in Thailand, so far. What do you mean, talk about airport screening? I don't see an article on that. Would probably be a good idea. JuanTamad (talk) 05:03, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The CDC (and/or other authorities) seems to have settled on a name for it -- Shall we change the title of the article to '2019-20 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) outbreak in China' JuanTamad (talk) 04:57, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe, see what everyone else calls it. let's wait a little. Whispyhistory (talk) 06:47, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

She did visit similar markets, which suggests the virus may have spread to other markets. She was confirmed to have the 2019-nCoV virus. JuanTamad (talk) 05:30, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

https://news.abs-cbn.com/news/01/21/20/philippines-probes-case-of-child-from-china-who-tested-positive-for-coronavirus?fbclid=IwAR26cLp3Fsk8pg8VLn1EHeoCxTVkOXjcFBiSR9ECpHk147SfjxW8maVgPdE JuanTamad (talk) 15:12, 21 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

As we know, Wiki has strict policies on the use of images and only images from public domain or certain creative commons licenses can be used. The current image of the map of China, which is from Wiki Commons and originally sourced from CIA public domain, highlights areas within China that have territorial claim disputes. As it is NOT a map of India, regions in India claimed by China are NOT highlighted. Since the purpose of the map is to provide a good illustration on the relative locations of the cities, a decision has to be made whether the current image is inappropriate and hence removed. Please opine whether the image of the map should be Keep or Delete. Thanks PenulisHantu (talk) 05:47, 21 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• There are a lot of NPOV images in Commons you can use. Plus that image from a US security agency (frankly I can't find any point why you emphasized that fact that the map is from an US security agency as an excuse to stand the image) contain two highlighted arrows on that, which clearly POV. The comment on India is not constructive to the discussion, as currently almost all maps of India in Indian-related articles depicts even claimed territories not occupied by India as undisputed Indian territories, so based on that part of your comment a map containing all claimed territories not de facto administrated by China should work with this article. --173.68.165.114 (talk) 06:21, 21 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Also to point out this has nothing to do with whether the image should be deleted in Commons, as there's no NPOV requirement in Commons. Commons is used for storage all media from all POV. This map could be used in a Wikipedia article about the US stance on different Asian conflicts. It is only inappropriate here. Noticing the map has Wuhan marked on it (and the fact that it's not on Commons), my answer is to Delete.--173.68.165.114 (talk) 06:40, 21 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• I noticed PenulisHantu didn't transcribe my original reason of the deletion well. Here's a quote of my original edit comment: Removed the anti-Chinese POV map showing only Chinese-administrated Aksai Chin as disputed territory while Indian-administrated South Tibet as undisputed Indian territory. The issue here is indeed two different treatments of two analogical cases in one single map. --173.68.165.114 (talk) 07:58, 21 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I would implore the use of a map with a balanced POV addressing disputed regions of Taiwan, South Tibet/Arunachal Pradesh and Aksai Chin. (Anyone, please replace current image if you know of one. Thanks) In the absence, we have to weigh between a politically imperfect map that provides useful geographical information for the topic (Keep) or do without one (Delete). Thanks. PenulisHantu (talk) 17:20, 21 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Thanks to Ravenpuff. I believe this is resolved. PenulisHantu (talk) 04:52, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Thank you! --173.68.165.114 (talk) 05:00, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The health authorities and immigration borders of Hong Kong are segregated from Mainland China. The method of the dispersal would be different for Hong Kong than any other Mainland Chinese city, though Hong Kong is a major transit and destination for all of China. Hong Kong reports its numbers separately from Mainland China as well. Tsukide (talk) 13:03, 21 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Tsukide, Do you see any particular area of the article requiring improvement? Hoping you can offer some specificity here, unless your concern has been addressed. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 22:58, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

18 year old male on flight from Wuhan placed in local hospital waiting for results from Bangkok— https://www.cm108.com/w/19543/ JuanTamad (talk) 15:19, 21 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Evolution of the novel coronavirus from the ongoing Wuhan outbreak and modeling of its spike protein for risk of human transmission from SCIENCE CHINA Life Sciences.Since I am not a medical major and my English is not good, I ask other colleagues for help.Ask wikis who are good at related fields to make appropriate additions based on the content of the paper contained in this source. Thank you.--舞月書生👉☎️👈∮Strive to be a good Wikipedians. 17:54, 21 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Send me a way to contact you. I might be able to help. JuanTamad (talk) 02:20, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• •  Remark:: from this paper,I find GISAID:CoV2020,but I can't add it in wikidata.--舞月書生👉☎️👈∮Strive to be a good Wikipedians. 18:11, 21 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Can someone rewording the lead section of this article because it give me impression that Novel coronavirus only spread in Wuhan or involved chinese nationals. This statement violates NPOV policy? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 36.76.229.208 (talk) 23:37, 21 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Well, the information was true at that point as the virus was confined to China, so the statements aren't bias. How about this: You try and rewrite the statements? Thanks. TheGreatSG'rean (talk) 23:46, 21 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Official releases from the Chinese government are often justifiably untrusted by many people, how could we go about researching the trust level on this issue? Anyone got any ideas? 210.121.187.8 (talk) 01:30, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Please justify your accusation with evidence. Thanks. Magnetic Flux (talk) 15:52, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Shouldn't the disease, the virus, and the outbreak be treated in separate articles? SARS, MERS 2012/2015/2018 are treated in that manner. We have a virus article and this article, we should have a separate disease article. SARS has 3 articles, for outbreak (timeline), virus, disease. MERS has 3 outbreak articles, 1 disease article, 1 virus article. -- 67.70.33.184 (talk) 05:51, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There are already separate articles:

Novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) and this. robertsky (talk) 06:25, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply

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Agree with Robertsky: we already have two articles. I don't think there's quite enough content yet to separate out a disease article and an outbreak article. Content is growing rapidly: I am happy to support such a split at a later date. Bondegezou (talk) 15:21, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I worked a great deal on

2009 flu pandemic timeline. The China Corona epidemic isn't a pandemic yet, but that article can serve as a template. Never in the history of public health has a city of 11 million been shut down, and that's just for starters. And parenthetically, I don't feel up to beginning the timeline for this epidemic just yet, but at at the beginning of the Swine Flu Pandemic federal and state warehouses rehearsed shipping out body bags, etc. kencf0618 (talk) 15:41, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply

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What is the reasoning behind the current order of the countries listed in the infobox? It's not alphabetical, it's not according to date of first reported case, and it's also not ordered by number of cases or fatalities --134.41.201.57 (talk) 15:50, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Put in alphabetical order. Whispyhistory (talk) 16:44, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Whispyhistory, Seems to be sorted by # confirmed cases now. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 23:00, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sorted by number of confirmed cases. 39cookies (talk) 15:10, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This chart appears under the 'Global: Reported cases and repsonses' section. It is not factually inaccurate, however I believe it portrays a much more alarming situation than the underlying data presents. The chart, which I believe does not meet Wikipedia's formatting rules, presents 'suspected cases' of the virus in Hong Kong. I read the cited source, which is a list of all patients in Hong Kong that were tested for the virus, with almost all (except for 2) NOT testing positive for 2019-nCoV. The graph is not necessary, and similar information about 'suspect' cases of the virus are not presented in chart form for any other data. Tezakhiago (talk) 16:40, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Can I declare a {{

• Support Currently the updates can be confusing due to the speed the event is unfolding and the time differences. PenulisHantu (talk) 14:07, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The President of Mexico, Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador has confirm the first case of coronavirus in a press conference today 01/22/2020. The carrier is was introduce as a 57 year old from Asian origin. The man had travel to Wuhan, China on the 25th of December and traveled back to Mexico on the 10th of January. The men is currently under observation from his own home in Reynosa, Tamaulipas a town that borders with the Texas, USA. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fgonzalez78582 (talk • contribs) 21:50, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I have removed this graphic map, as multiple issues listed on the talk page of the correspondence Chinese Wikipedia article. The large Wuhan circle has covered a lot of provinces outside Hubei and looks like cases all over China; the skull next to the PRC flag looks like a curse of the entire nation. The word, Wuhan, consequently, has been squeezed to the extremely left of the map, at a location near Qinghai, making the entire pictures geographically terrible (also to notice he put Washington State to the extreme west of the map instead of the extreme east of the map, leaving huge area of blankness and an unreadable graph). The info are also extremely outdated.

The author of the graph has been notified in Chinese Wikipedia article talk page, but for more than 24 hours he not only didn't improve any of the issue raised but deteriorated them, so the map has already been removed in Chinese Wikipedia. --173.68.165.114 (talk) 04:17, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The "No confirmed cases" has a long list of pretty short sections. Thoughts or merging some of these section into subsections for each continent? My thinking is sections for Asia, Australia, Europe, North America, and South America would reduce the number of section headings.

But, since this article is changing quickly, I also wonder if keeping content separated by country for now is easiest until editing starts to wind down and we have a better sense of how text might be organized. Thoughts? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 05:38, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Should that case be labeled under India or Saudi Arabia? It's not clear if they were infected in India or Saudi Arabia. MrTempestilence (talk) 13:51, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• If the infected person is in Saudi Arabia, I would say Saudi Arabia. PenulisHantu (talk) 14:05, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• I'm not sure. I think Saudi Arabia but if they were infected in India it would be both, but we don't know where they were infected. 39cookies (talk) 15:08, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• At this point, I would want better confirmation and I doubt the accuracy of this information. The referenced articles 1 and 2 have very minimal information about the actual diagnosis, and another third party news article I found here confuses information about MERS and nCoV-2019 throughout the article. The original source seems to be a reporter for the Economic Times, and there is reference to a Philipino Nurse who was infected. I haven't read about a case like that. At this point I am not convinced that this isn't a seperate infection from the ongoing
  2018 Middle East respiratory syndrome outbreak. Tezakhiago (talk) 16:40, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply
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• If true, I'd say Saudi Arabia, since that's where the nurse is working. Dege31 (talk) 16:58, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Please note that the original tweet from the Indian Minister here, which seems to be the only primary source for this case, does not actually mention nCoV-2019. It only mentions Coronavirus, which is not specific. I know this is a twitter thread, but this shows there is considerable debate about how factual the report of nCoV-2019 in this nurse is, despite the info coming from the Minister of International Affairs. It is much, much more likely this is a case of MERS. I am removing the Saudi Arabia case from tables. Tezakhiago (talk) 17:20, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I have shifted the entirety of the Chronology section to

I would recommend that the timeline here be limited to major announcements. kencf0618 (talk) 17:16, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment Wuhan flu may not be a term commonly used to refer to the novel corona 2019-nCoV. PenulisHantu (talk) 18:37, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment I am not well-versed with viruses, but it seems that Flu/influenza viruses are very different from the coronaviruses. Xenmorpha (talk) 19:14, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: Flu has vaccine but Wuhan Virus doesn't. --Discern irony (talk) 19:15, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I have noted the distinction, but it'll take a while for the nomenclature to firm up (it's not as fast as the virus). For that matter, the title of this article is doubly redundant. kencf0618 (talk) 19:29, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Because it was erroneous and awkward — and practically no one is calling this "the Wuhan Flu" — I moved that new article to the title "

Timeline of the 2019–20 outbreak of novel coronavirus". Paintspot Infez (talk) 20:02, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply

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--Discern irony (talk) 19:59, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I don’t care about politics because this article is about a virus, I’m only care why you removed an image just because it conflicted your ideology.

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Such image is not supported by any reference and it doesn't fit in the section of global prevalence. --Discern irony (talk) 20:18, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Go to talk to another editor who reverted your edits and explain this to them. I’m not talking to a person who deleted my reply just because he don’t like it.

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Isn't there a linke where we can find scientific findings pertaining the virus in a concentrated way? 130.92.100.253 (talk) 20:10, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"2019–20 outbreak of novel coronavirus 2019-nCoV" is something that some geeky editor came up with with only one thing in mind: official scientific nomenclature. That is inappropriate for a general purpose Wikipedia. It also reeks of a breach of Wikipedia rules (

Could someone explain why this section exists? Whispyhistory (talk) 21:24, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Seconding this. This seems like a NPOV error at least. I'm going to take the liberty of deleting it; if important NPOV information comes up, it can simply be restored, but otherwise it seems to be detracting from the article. Aqua817 (talk) 22:24, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]