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Brace for vandalism! —Preceding unsigned comment added by ThisIsRealPuma (talk • contribs) 11:45, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed. I am working on this page now, restoring the damage done and improving the content and sourcing. Colonel Warden (talk) 17:58, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How is "Slowpoke" derived from "Slowpoke"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.191.122.87 (talk • contribs) 21:46, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

is the 118 DESUs necessary?i haven't watched pokemon in a long time,dont remember that much desus. Adaobi ^YELL!!_done 10:52, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Really? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.224.208.5 (talk • contribs) 12:08, 6 May 2007

You can never have too much DESU. Snarfies 02:15, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm surprised that this article doesn't even mention Slowpoke as a meme — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.142.22.163 (talk • contribs) 23:37, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's usually because the

v^_^v) 23:57, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply

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I have been working on this article over the past few weeks but had to suspend activities due to TTN's disruptive edits and the consequent Arbcom case in which he has been warned off. Urutapu seems to have picked up his baton and dismissive attitude: he calls for discussion but then fails to discuss. I have discussed this article before as you can see above but I cannot see any discussion points from Urutapu or TTN.

For Urutapu's benefit, the reference to The Economist refers to a recent detailed article in which they said that Wikipedia had detailed articles on many hundreds of Pokemon. Its many readers might form a poor impression of our project if they checked and found that this was apparently not so. I plan to remedy this and restore our reputation. Colonel Warden (talk) 15:41, 14 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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• Slowpoke (Pokémon) → Slowpoke
• Slowpoke → Slowpoke (disambiguation)

– No obvious competition for primary topic. Everything else is either a

Comment unfamiliar with precedent for stuff like this, but would the word itself not be the primary topic? I understand the word itself lacks an article, but it has a requisite wikitionary article and is the main usage of the word. Obviously if this doesn't apply then it's whatever, but I want to double check this given my own lack of familiarity with these kinds of disambiguation topics. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 23:36, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is not a dictionary, so words cannot be primary topics unless there is a viable encyclopedia article on the word or a related concept it can link to. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 10:16, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply

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Alright, I just wanted to make sure. I Support this given that the other alternatives are much lower in terms of viewcount than Slowpoke. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 12:48, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose, no PRIMARY.--Ortizesp (talk) 13:23, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Per Zx, all other topics do not share the exact name of the subject or have significantly less pageviews than Slowpoke. Thus, Slowpoke is the primary topic while others sharing the name are at the disambiguation page. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 14:23, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose. This article may have the higher pageviews, but SLOWPOKE reactor has the higher long-term notability. No primary topic. 162 etc. (talk) 15:32, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @

  SLOWPOKE. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 01:04, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply

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  DIFFCAPS is insufficient here as reliable sources also use "Slowpoke".[1][2][3] 162 etc. (talk) 22:39, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose if there is a primary, it is the nuclear reactor, per 162 -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 09:11, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  See what I replied with above. SLOWPOKE falls under DIFFCAPS and both can be primary for different capitalizations of the word. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 01:06, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Support, IP is wrong, nuclear reactor is not primary. xq 20:15, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose The Wiktionary entry, which the disambiguation page links to, is the most likely topic for users to be searching for. Many of them would likely be very confused if they were sent to an article about a Pokémon. QuicoleJR (talk) 21:20, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @

  Wikipedia is not a dictionary and Wiktionary entries cannot be a primary topic. Some words can be redirected to Wiktionary, but only when an encyclopedia article does not exist. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 01:07, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply

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Relisting comment: Relist to get a clearer consensus; while the opposes are more numerous, the supports have stronger arguments BilledMammal (talk) 00:51, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose while I am unsure if an exact policy can be cited here, I feel too there's a point where
  WP:COMMONSENSE can: the term "slowpoke" is just TOO common in the every day language and pop culture to apply it to the Pokemon as a primary. Every fiber of my being is telling me this is a terrible idea.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 01:31, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Oppose permitting potentially any and all Pokémon to get a Wikipedia article on this site if interested editors can meet the fairly generous standards of notability that this site operates off of is one thing, but suggesting their localized English names can become
  WP:PTOPIC over other articles of consequence is another thing entirely. AVNOJ1989 (talk) 16:30, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Weak support – I think the comic strip and the song both have some potential for their own article, but even then this one is primary above them.
  surprising to people landing on it. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 09:50, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Weak support based on the policy arguments above (DIFFCAPS, etc, and while it's only implied, it makes sense that a word can't be a primary topic, so unless somebody wants to bang out a draft for the word really quick, the Pokemon looks like the primary topic, and if a word COULD be the primary topic, NGRAM viewer shows usage going back to the 1900s, while the pokemon only existed since 1996, so the word would win in that case). I do believe it is a bit
  astonishing to anybody not expecting a Pokemon, and that there is a case that while the Pokemon is a strong contender for the primary topic, it may benefit from the precision of being noted as such in the title, but I can't find a single policy for that so I will simply support while leaving open the possibility we might override our policy. ASUKITE 15:43, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Oppose: I do not believe that the Pokémon is the primary topic for this term. I completely agree with Kung Fu Man. This is a very common term, and I just do not see how and why the Pokémon should be put as the primary topic. Aoba47 (talk) 21:21, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Time for the real review, @Pokelego999. Give me a second. xq 20:16, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Duplinking

Seems to link Ken Sugimori and XP twice.

Lead

seems good

Design and characteristics

Slowpoke, known in Japanese as Yadon,[2] is a fictional species of Pokémon created for the Pokémon franchise. Developed by Game Freak and published by Nintendo, the series began in Japan in 1996 with the release of the video games Pokémon Red and Blue for the Game Boy.[3] In these games, the player assumes the role of a Pokémon Trainer whose goal is to capture and train creatures called Pokémon. Players use the creatures' special abilities to combat other Pokémon.[4] A major goal in each game is to complete the Pokédex, a comprehensive Pokémon encyclopedia,[5] by obtaining individuals from all Pokémon species.[4]

Sounds like it belongs in the lead

Pokédex entries state that it is very slow, inactive, and dopey, thus making it difficult to tell if it is awake or asleep. => It is difficult to tell if it is awake, as Pokédex entries have stated that it is very slow, inactive, and dopey. Also maybe quote that too.

Other comments

Maybe add some EFNs? It is slightly confusing if you have not played pokémon before, but considering that most people coming here are from pokémon then no. xq 23:41, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The design and characteristics intro paragraph is used in Pokemon species articles for context on the concepts of the series so readers unfamiliar can understand some of the terms better. It's placed there rather than the lead as it would clog the lead otherwise and is more relevant there. I also looked at the sentence you wanted me to reword, and I feel your suggestion borders on being a bit too in-universe. Either way, I have reworded it, so I hope that clarifies it better. Additionally, I don't believe EFNs are needed, but where would you suggest putting them? I wish to see what your thoughts are on that. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 01:14, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

i’ll add more tomorrow. xq 02:23, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pokelego999, I am slightly confused on why the article uses mdy dates. That’s all I got. 48JCL 12:49, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I believe the MDY format is consistent, and if I remember correctly it's fine to use any given format so long as it is consistent, though do correct me if I'm wrong. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 17:03, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Outside comment: A), I don't feel that there's a strong national connection for any of the Pokemon, which is a global franchise. So the maintainer can just pick a style they like. B), even if you think there is a strong connection, it'd be to Japan, and Japan uses Y-M-D dates by default (List of date formats by country), which is a rare style on Wikipedia - it's more common to always use either MDY or DMY, and YMD is closer to MDY. But if you really wanted to shift it, it'd be to YMD. SnowFire (talk) 17:46, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It should use YMD, per the Japanese origination, and international spread of this franchise. That map shows YMD is used through most of Eurasia, Europe+Asia; Oceania, southern Africa, Canada, USA -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 20:51, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is not really a thing on Wikipedia, which standardizes on MDY or DMY in prose. Note that Template:Use mdy dates exists but Template:Use ymd dates does not. (You can use YMD for citations or in tables when appropriate, of course, just not in one of the prose options.) SnowFire (talk) 21:32, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Using {{Use mdy dates|cs1-dates=y}} will autoformat citations into YMD. I believe this is appropriate at least in citations; the prose can be what-ever the authors agree upon (the main one being Pokelego999 in this case). Reconrabbit 20:04, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]