User talk:Baffle gab1978/Archives/2013

 Done Huon (talk) 05:41, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Thank you ;-) Cheers,

Baffle gab1978 (talk

) 21:50, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

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	Thank you so much for the work you've done on SagaciousPhil - Chat 06:36, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you Phil; no worries :-) Cheers,

Baffle gab1978 (talk

) 22:55, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

OK, no worries. Cheers,

Baffle gab1978 (talk

) 22:55, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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	Thank you very much for copyediting and improving the United Nations Confidence Restoration Operation in Croatia and Operation Winter '94 articles. Tomobe03 (talk) 07:25, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, Tomobe03; no worries. ;-) Cheers,

Baffle gab1978 (talk

) 00:29, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for taking time to review the article. One question so far. Should the following be. "According to the Regional Arts & Culture Council, the fountain is XXX high and has a diameter of..."? --Another Believer _(Talk) 03:45, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Of course it should, thanks for spotting that. :-D I've fixed it. Cheers,

Baffle gab1978 (talk

) 03:59, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

A beer for you!

Thank you Twin towns and sister cities article. Cheers!! :-) Marek.69 talk 15:42, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you Marek, no worries. I'll hopefully finish it tonight. :-) Cheers,

Baffle gab1978 (talk

) 21:15, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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	Thank you for your copy editing work on the Twin towns and sister cities article. A definite improvement. Great work! -- Marek.69 talk 16:26, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you Marek, that's very nice of you to say so! Cheers,

Baffle gab1978 (talk

) 21:46, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

I am perfectly content if you wish to show AspieNo1 what can be done in my user space or in yours. I think that is an offer no-one could possibly refuse. If you choose mine please feel wholly free to create User:Timtrent/Damon Matthew Wise (example) or whatever similar title you see fit. I suggest a parenthesised suffix to help the original editor see for sure that it is an example. Fiddle Faddle 21:29, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi Timtrent (should I call you Fiddle Faddle?), thanks for getting back to me, I'll do some preliminary work in a few hours. I'll probably use your userspace since you're familiar to AspieNo1; thanks for confirming that it's okay to do so. If there's anything you need to discuss feel free. :-) Cheers,

Baffle gab1978 (talk

) 21:47, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

I even answer to "oi! you!!". The editor is a hard one to help. He goes off at tangents very easily. I've run out of steam on this one, pretty much. I'm more than grateful for your help. They will be, too, but they will not necessarily express it in a manner you expect. I'll let you judge when and whether to let them know you are having a go. I'm pretty sure Wise is notable, but the fluff and clutter conceal it at every turn.

As you start to play in this pond you might be able to add to this discussion Fiddle Faddle 21:55, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the link to the conversation. I tried to find references on Google Ireland but to no avail; mostly it came up with forums, blogs, personal networking sites etc. and the Irish Times and RTE articles. I'd expect to find more sources if Wise is notable; that doesn't mean reliable sources aren't out there—it just means I can't find and verify them. I've completed the copy-edit version in your user space; I've done a basic 'condense and clarify' job; there wasn't a huge amount of fluff. I hope AspieNo1 finds it useful, and if it's returned to user space and is accepted by the community I'll be happy to see it back on the GOCE list. Good luck with it; I'll inform Aspie tomorrow, unless you beat me to it! Cheers,

Baffle gab1978 (talk

) 03:16, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

To me that looks like an acceptable article that can and should take its chances in article space. It has, however, been deleted at AfD. I'm not entirely certain how one can reintroduce it without an immediate CSD deletion. I think, if you don't mind, I'll let you meet AspieNo1 and show them what s possible. It looks as if you enjoyed it, though it was finicky work. Fiddle Faddle 09:36, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks; yes I think the notability seems to be marginal at best, but keep looking out for sources and you never know.

Baffle gab1978 (talk

) 20:43, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Wise is on the borderline of notability, I think. I hope he can be tipped into definite notability, but I am not holding my breath. I hope very much our friend finds it useful. He appreciates help, but his brain is rushing ever onwards, I think, and he sometimes misses the obvious. Reminds me of myself in that way! Fiddle Faddle 22:35, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks ... is listed here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_disability_rights_activists and here: - www.wrongplanet.net/postp2493419.html&highlight=‎ and same kind of Aspies referencing in www.aspiesforfreedom.com › ... › General › Treatment in society‎ and short bio form in a Japanese wiki article: http://wpedia.goo.ne.jp/enwiki/Damon_Matthew_Wise someone archived his facebook for referencing: http://archive.is/MCLM4 Also My sandbox contains a backup of the original article, and its chat references and identifies other sources, including some unreferenced articles found in search in search of Irish Newspapers Archive in his born, not his pen-names (work as a journalist is usually not in his own name) and goes back over several but not 30 years of his writing, editing, publishing and broadcasting - some had been found in his archive. Feel free to consult these research sources and add any external reputable sources. As I and others did deeper into the public archives and earlier webpages, before 1999 many websites do not have tags or do not meet current standards are are thus difficult to find either archived or searchable. Has or can anyone search for web backups or archives on autinet.org and Federation-Trust.ORG pre 1999? In an 1999 article on Yahoo! autismlist archive on google, a colleague from previous group (likely AUTINET.ORG - which he conceived and was active on since 1995 refers) to him by name as one of his favourite "Aspies" ... there were many references on Bahai Discuss group on BCCA.org groups about the death of his son - I have a large box full of messages from all over the world from to the news posted on an announcement ... and sometimes media leave out his middle name, I have noticed AspieNo1 (talk) 00:58, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)@AspieNo1: We have some very pedantic rules over people's work as a journalist. Seeing an article by the journalist proves that they exist, so their work as a journalist is verified. That's useful. But it does not make them notable. Our local paper has a most excellent journalist. We can see that he exists, but he is not a notable journalist, just a good one. This means that he should not have a WIkipedia article.

We also have stringent rules for usage of other web sites as sources. I'm sure you have read and understood

WP:RS

The thing you must look for is verification that Wise is notable, not that Wise exists. We know he exists.

If your source is a paper item such as a book, that is most definitely a valid reference, but the book must not be by Wise, it must have a section that discusses Wise. A passing mention such as "Wise was also present" is not useful, but a discussion of his work or a notable aspect of his life is. Fiddle Faddle 09:13, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

I know - on his published works there is a webpage which shows a selection of them, but fear as these show them is not attributable; similarly a lot of contents of the online archives show articles by on him which were used in campaigns or public awareness exercise but cannot get them through commons/wikimedia - especially the ones he was writer, editor or publisher of and thus he has given his own rights to reproduce. Just before the article was pulled were discussing online book sellers and catalogues listings referencing his published as writer, editor and publisher various works, which appear in "Whittaker's Books in Print" (which has since changed hands) - such as multiple book reference sites referencing IRECON 4 Guide, Damon Wise and Anny Wise (his mother) - you can see this on the talk page still.

Search on specific points on Google.ie - "Damon Wise" searched with keywords like Autism, autistic, Asperger's, Disability, Star Trek, Sci-Fi fandom, etc shows additional references to his works - on chance of finding details of Star Trek Conferences, IRECON, SLAM and TIMEWARP (at which he filmed an award-winning video of George Takei eating a cake in When Harry Met Sally diner style which after almost 20 years is still being showed) came across the likes of IRECON Conference Guide, such as here: https://www.google.ie/#q=IRECON+Guide+Damon+Wise if you refine his works you can see and correlate between online and hardcopy archived materials and what is maybe or maybe not allowed. I am looking for on-line availability of his works from 1975 to 1999 confirming content from the archives and then discarding most which does not deal with autism, asperger's, disability with exception of Star Trek (90's) and Band Aid Trust (80's) related charity work - even down to a pivotal article in Brighton Evening Argus in September 1988 pleading postmen to take a break in their postal strike for the damage it was having to Sport Aid '88 The Race against Time - as a result was later relaunched as Sport Relief). AspieNo1 (talk) 08:37, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

As Fiddle Faddle says, Wikipedia has strictly-enforced policies on which sources are acceptable to be used as references. Forum posts, blogs and personal webpages are generally rejected because anybody can write these sources. The exception is

Baffle gab1978 (talk

) 22:36, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi, thank you for your help. So.... who is Adam Kadmon? Nobody knows. It is an anonymous person. His or her identity is unknown. He says to call him Adam Kadmon. He writes about conspiracy and develops theories. He writes to radios and tv. He sends his text to them and they read them. Who reads them? On radio it was several years ago, there was an actor's voice that was reading as it was Adam Kadmon. On TV now there is a different actor and this actor speaks with the actor voice (not the voice of the real writer) and this actor is also shown on tv wearing a mask. You can see this actor for example here at 1:03. The author of these words however is anonymous. Nobody seems to know the identity of the source of these theories. So it's far from fiction. This is a real character, however the identity of this character is unknown, we just know this person exist.
I completely agree to remove the paragraph TV Episode list. It doesn't look nice and even if true, these are confirmed only on advertisement on TV, so difficult to confirm by references. So even if they are true, they can't be used on Wiki articles. And furthermoer I think that this should be an article about Adam Kadmon, not about the TV Programme. I think it can be just summarized in a similar sentence: on September 2013 Mistero dedicated 5 programmes to Adam Kadmon and his theories, without describing all of them. However with regards to the rest I think it's better to keep them, they are all well sourced. What I would change is the bias, to make it more neutral. What do you think? --★ Pikks ★ ^MsG 09:42, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi Pikks, thanks for your message. So I am correct in assuming that Kadmon is a pseudonymous conspiracy theorist who writes for radio and television? That's the first step. Now what is needed are at least two references from two reliable sources in English that I can check to confirm his notability. I've no objections to keeping most of the article providing it is referenced ans makes sense. The AfD is concerned with notability; the rest can be cleaned up later, but I'd rather stubify the article and leave the rest to the community. IMO leaving poorly-written material in the article does our audience a disservice; they are the reasons we write articles, after all. Cheers,

Baffle gab1978 (talk

) 23:46, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

I've done a preliminary restructuring and text tidy, removed the TV listings and sectioned some text appropriately. I'll have a look tomorrow and see what more can be done to it. Cheers,

Baffle gab1978 (talk

) 02:58, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi thank you. I have also removed some text that I think wasn't not important and it was probably biased. I'll check some sources and I'll let you know. --★ Pikks ★ ^MsG 08:55, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

I'm back again. Here are some sources in English: here and also here and here (this source is not in the Article yet) --★ Pikks ★ ^MsG 22:34, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi again Pikks, thanks for posting the English references and for cutting the text back. I've checked the first two already. The second (New York Times) and third only have single, trivial mentions of Kadmon; we can use the information but not to verify notability, though the first is suitable for that. Of course I haven't yet checked the Italian sources; I'll have to use autotranslation because I don't know Italian. I'll see what I can find later. Cheers,

Baffle gab1978 (talk

) 00:23, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

If you need me to translate some specific, important sentences to you, let me know. Regards, --★ Pikks ★ ^MsG 09:39, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your offer, Pikks. ;-) Cheers,

Baffle gab1978 (talk

) 22:17, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi SuperMarioMan; you're correct and i didn't see that part of the criterion. I've self-reverted. Cheers,

Baffle gab1978 (talk

) 03:18, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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	For your copy edit on Alphonse Elric. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 02:32, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Gabriel, it's appreciated. Cheers,

Baffle gab1978 (talk

) 05:06, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the copyedit. The section "strong generation" had sources in the rest of the article and into itself because had links to another articles... Rauzaruku (talk) 11:50, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

No worries; I didn't see any inline citations so I removed the section per

Baffle gab1978 (talk

) 19:21, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

It's also (actually much more in many cases) needed in many other similar articles.[2] --

Thanks, but I don't quite understand what you're saying; can you please explain your message? Cheers,

Baffle gab1978 (talk

) 12:38, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

That you've been copy-editing Kasumi's and you can do this with some of the rest of them? I guess I forgot "needed". --

talk

) 18:01, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

I understand now; thank you for explaining. :-) I'm working on

Baffle gab1978 (talk

) 19:23, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

No worries; I'll remove the GOCE from the whole article so you know which section I'm editing ("Film version" at the moment). Cheers,

Baffle gab1978 (talk

) 21:55, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Didn't you read my page notice?

Baffle gab1978 (talk

) 23:01, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Discussion continued

Baffle gab1978 (talk

) 03:05, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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	For your copyediting help with Fuck: Word Taboo and Protecting Our First Amendment Liberties. Thank you for providing such helpful copyediting services to the Wikipedia community. — Cirt (talk) 18:35, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

No worries Cirt; thank you. ;-) Cheers,

Baffle gab1978 (talk

) 19:38, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

You're most welcome, — Cirt (talk) 19:52, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi,

Thanks for the kind words :).

I wasn't planning to expand the factual content of Molecular diagnostics, although perhaps add a picture and fix a few typos that were annoying me. I have a minor ambition to bring it up to GA status.

Agreed, it needs a bit more explanation to bring it up to lay comprehension (as you mentioned elsewhere) and a completely lay author might be best to do that. (My own background is in bioinformatics, so I can find my way around the literature but I'm no expert).

BTW, as a separate question and not relevant to this article, when is it OK for an article *not* to be comprehensible to lay people? I've seen some articles about particular genes or polymorphisms carry a note at the top saying "For a basic introduction to nucleic acid and genetics, see ...", and then take a basic grounding for granted.

Yes, I'd be delighted to join GOCE.

Cheers,

Ian Ian McDonald (talk) 08:56, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi Ian, thanks for your reply, for letting us know your intentions for the article, and your excellent work on it too. I think our possible direction with the GOCE copy-edit is a little clearer now; I think we should accept the request. With regard to comprehensibility, we introduce and explain the subject in the

Manual of Style

isn't all it could be!

Welcome to the GOCE; it's good to have you aboard; happy copy-editing. Cheers,

Baffle gab1978 (talk

) 20:47, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

I understand. May I ask for feedback on Molecular diagnostics as it stands now? Ian McDonald (talk) 20:55, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi Ian; I think it's much improved; I can understand what the article is about without feeling swamped by technical vocabulary. Having said that there are some problems to fix:

• I spotted a semantic error in the second sentence of the lead though; "It analyses..." --> "It is used to analysle..." (it cannot analyse anything on its own).
• The article should use dashes and not hyphens to separate dependent clauses per
  WP:SECTIONCAPS
  .
• Most of the single-sentence paragraphs, especially towards the end of the article, should be merged into larger paragraphs where it makes sense to do so.

I won't bore you with a long list of errors, which should be fixed in the copy-edit anyway. You can request a

Baffle gab1978 (talk

) 00:43, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your copyedits to the page. They have vastly improved its readability!

Note though that I have changed the sentence:

Since the first millennium BCE, trade across the India-Sri Lanka divide has been limited to small boats and dinghies.

back to its previous form:

Though trade across the India-Sri Lanka divide has been active since at least the first millennium BCE, it has been been limited to small boats and dinghies.

since the former could have been interpreted to imply (or, at least, allow) that before first millennium BCE trade had not been limited to small boats etc. This would have been a implausible interpretation in most contexts, but in light of claims by some religious and political groups that the Adam's Bridge is not a geological feature, but constructed by Rama's army sometime in that era, the sentence was likely to be misread. Of course, feel free to tweak the sentence further to improve its structure and clarity. Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 00:08, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Note: Coincidentally, a few hours before you began copy-editing the article, I removed a proposed-merger tag from the page as "stale", since it had been languishing there since Feb 2012. However, looking at the two articles (

Hi Abecedare, no worries. Thanks for changing that sentence back, I can see how my version might be confusing or be misread in the context of religions beliefs. I suppose with this kind of article I'm bound to upset someone! I hope nobody interprets my standaridising of the feature's names to "Adam's Bridge"; since this is English WP I think that would be appropriate and hopefully unbiased. If there's a problem with that let me know and hopefully I can work around it.Regarding the proposed mergers, Yes I'll have a look and see what can be done but I'd like to get the Canal project article into better shape before I do that; then I can see better where text might be best merged to. Cheers,

Baffle gab1978 (talk

) 04:17, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

I decided not to merge these articles. Sethu Canal was completely unreferenced and was about the same project, so I've redirected it to the main title. Sethusamudram is about the sea between India and Sri Lanka and was likewise completely unreferenced so I've removed most of the text per

Baffle gab1978 (talk

) 02:21, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

• its ok that you merged
  Sethusamudram
  as well. Official site is named sethusamdram.gov.in as it is a name of project.
• There is a section on Environmental issue on Talk page which was moved due to unreferenced. Should be moved and merged in article?
• Rename: I suggest renaming it to Sethusamudram Ship Channel Project as official government website names it that way. See website. We can go for community consensus if required.

Overall well done..for copyediting.. -Nizil (talk) 09:03, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments Nizil; I've redirected

Baffle gab1978 (talk

) 22:56, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for addressing my concerns.. I will go for community consensus for renaming. Regards, -Nizil (talk) 08:17, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

It's started already. Think it's time for a blacklist :-). All the best, Miniapolis 00:56, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Well, I'm done with that article after Niemti deliberately (I'm pretty sure) caused an edit conflict. If you search them on the boards, they have a very interesting history (including disrupting the GA process) and problems with the video-game articles. Seems like they're trolling over there, derailing (or trying to) Gabriel Yuji's potential GAs. Too bad. Have fun and all the best, Miniapolis 02:38, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Oh dear; well I hope it wasn't an entirely wasted effort for you anyway. Yes it's a shame s/he seems to follow Gabriel around. Niemti seems to specialise in Japanese video game articles; quite what s/he's trying to achieve by being disruptive is beyond me. Maybe next time I encounter him/her negatively I'll say something on the boards but I'm not sure that would achieve anything. At least it might test the length of the

Baffle gab1978 (talk

) 04:07, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, Baffle, but don't waste your time and energy; Niemti has had an RFC/U and a proposed topic/site ban, but it's just another example of the community's too-high tolerance for tendentious, disruptive editing. FWIW, I'll never copyedit another video-game article because of them. Life is too short to deal with such a timesucking editor, and you did try to warn me :-). All the best, Miniapolis 20:54, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Wow, that's an impressive record; I hadn't done any checking so thank you for those links. S/he might find her/himself at AN/I If I get more pointless wikilawyering and ownership behaviour and I'll quite happily use those as evidence of past disruption. I quite understand your statement re: video game articles; unfortunately your avoidance of her/his subject area is probably what s/he probably wants. We'll see what happens if or when I take up the outstanding c/e request, but I can think of more productive ways to spend my time than arguing with an inveterate arguer—I'm sure you know the one about wrestling with pigs! Cheers,

Baffle gab1978 (talk

) 23:34, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

I thought it was Kylie Jenner with a big pair of balls there for a moment!♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:29, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for copyediting the

_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:51, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

No worries; I think it might if the outstanding maintenance tags I added are dealt with. It's certainly comprehensive enough; perhaps a

Baffle gab1978 (talk

) 21:28, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi, can you've a look at List of awards and nominations received by Vidya Balan, as I think it needs copyedit (only lead). I want to nominate it for FL but before nominating it I want the article to meet FL criteria. It may not take much time, only lead section, Please. —FRANKY! 21:01, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

No. Please read my page notice above the edit window and the text at the top of this page—it's not there for decoration. Cheers,

Baffle gab1978 (talk

) 23:05, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

GOCE Blitz wrap-up; join us for the November drive

Guild of Copy Editors October Blitz wrap-up Participation: Out of eleven people who signed up for this blitz, eight copy-edited at least one article. Thanks to all who participated! Final results, including barnstars awarded, are available here. Progress report: During the seven-day blitz, we copy edited 42 articles from WikiProject Film's backlog, reducing it by a net of 34 articles. Hope to see you at the November drive in a few days! Cheers from your GOCE coordinators Torchiest, Baffle gab1978, Jonesey95, and The Utahraptor . Sign up for the November drive! To discontinue receiving GOCE newsletters, please remove your name from our mailing list. Newsletter delivered by EdwardsBot (talk) 18:02, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

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Given your help doing a copyedit, wonder if you could drop by Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Black Ice (album)/archive1. Thanks. igordebraga ≠ 11:55, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

I don't do reviews for FA, so I won't comment there.. Cheers,

Baffle gab1978 (talk

) 21:07, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

OK. Maybe I'll talk to you they ask some extensive cleanup again. igordebraga ≠ 11:30, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Aww thank you for your assistance with the articles. Cheers.--BabbaQ (talk) 20:34, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

No worries ;-) Cheers,

Baffle gab1978 (talk

) 20:52, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

;-). But I have to question if Miniapolis really finished the job on Anna Lindhs article. It seems like not much was done or improved. But anyway have a nice day.--BabbaQ (talk) 14:14, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

I can't speak for Miniapolis but it seems to me she did a fine and thorough job on the article; check the diffs. Cheers,

Baffle gab1978 (talk

) 18:43, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

No worries; as far as I know neither version is "correct" or "preferred", but I think "semi-final" is more common in British English than the US variety; it's the version the BBC uses anyway here etc. It's the version I'm used to seeing, like "north-west" (British) as opposed to "northwest" (US), and I probably changed it because the article uses the British date format (dmy). Feel free to change it if you prefer "semifinal". Cheers,

Baffle gab1978 (talk

) 18:35, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your explanation. I don't prefer it one way or another, but as a non-English speaker I'm eager to learn the difference between stuff like that. And since football is an "English" sport, I guess it is natural to use British English in the articles. Cheers,

talk

) 22:18, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! Cloudbound (talk) 23:16, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Thank you very much again for your copy edit! Gabriel Yuji (talk) 14:06, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

I'm very thankful for your edits, but can you please not change the layout of the article? Maybe we have different monitors, but the way the article was set up was perfect.--

Which aspect isn't displaying properly on your screen? Mine's 1208x1204, but the article should display properly on all monitors.

Baffle gab1978 (talk

) 04:18, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

It doesn't display properly on mine, which is 1600x900. Adding {{clear}} at the end of sections creates unnecessary white space. --

^talk

04:20, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

OK I'll reset mine and have a look.

Baffle gab1978 (talk

) 04:23, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Sure, go ahead. Also, "Awards" section always goes at the bottom. You can take a look at some military people's articles, such as

^talk

04:24, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

I see what you mean; some images overhang their sections;I'll have a play with them. I'll move the Awards section back to the end. Cheers,

Baffle gab1978 (talk

) 04:29, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

I think I've fixed the images; the only one I couldn't do without using 'clear' is the one in "Death", so I've made that a little smaller; I hope it looks good to you now—my monitor is 1:1.3 so it looks awful in 1600x900. Cheers,

Baffle gab1978 (talk

) 05:16, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi - I Noticed that you put a 'confused' tag in the Homeostasis article, but didn't tag any sections or list any points for attention on the Talk page. I think it's an important topic and I'm up for improving it as necessary. Could you please give some pointers as to what you think is most in need of clarification? Thanks DaveApter (talk) 13:04, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi Dave, thanks for your message; well done for improving the article. I added the tag because I think the prose is generally over-wordy, in parts unnecessarily technical and generally needs simplifying. One example; in the sixth paragraph of 'Biological', we find:

"Another homeostatic regulation occurs in the gut. Homeostasis of the gut is not fully understood but it is believed that Toll-like receptor (TLR) expression profiles contribute to it. Intestinal epithelial cells exhibit important factors that contribute to homeostasis: 1) They have different cellular distribution of TLR's compared to the normal gut mucosa. An example of this is how TLR5 (activated by flagellin) can redistribute to the basolateral membrane, which is the perfect place where flagellin can be detected.[11] 2) The enterocytes express high levels of TLR inhibitor Toll-interacting protein (TOLLIP). TOLLIP is a human gene that is a part of the innate immune system and is highest in a healthy gut; it correlates to luminal bacterial load.[11] ..."

I know that technical terms are important but non-expert readers shouldn't need a degree in biology to get the general idea of what's being said. Removing some of the waffle (redundant text etc) might help to clear a path through the forest of words; good luck with improving the article. :-) Cheers,

Thanks - I think we are broadly in agreement and I'll carry on tidying up the article. DaveApter (talk) 22:14, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

No worries; feel free to remove the tag whenever you feel the need. Cheers,

Baffle gab1978 (talk

) 22:23, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you!

Thank u for finishing the copy-edit of Santosh Subramaniam in such a short time. Ur work is indeed appreciated. ---- Kailash29792 (talk) 04:53, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Trichy

Hi Baffle gab, thanks for starting the c/e. Since I wish to take the article to FAC, the prose should be engaging. Thanks once again. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 16:38, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

No worries; I'll do my best. It's an interesting article so it should be OK. Cheers,

Baffle gab1978 (talk

) 20:11, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your work. I'll be adding some more stuff to the article, be sure to check it again. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 09:22, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

	The Copyeditor's Barnstar
	For the copyedit of the article "Graduados" Cambalachero (talk) 18:49, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

So I'll change my aim from expansion to trimming. Because the Indian cinema taskforce is so unresponsive, I'll do one thing: I'll add maximum content from the sources into the sections and ask the GOCE to cut down the content. Is that acceptable? ---- Kailash29792 (talk) 05:37, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi Kailash, thanks for replying. Yes that will be fine; we can c/e whatever text is currently in the article. It's usually best to expand the article before copy-editing commences, especially if you're planning to raise the quality to GA or FA standards. Cheers,

Baffle gab1978 (talk

) 17:56, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry if my actions were illegal. Because there is no way I can merge and blend content from those sources so that is why I pasted whole contents and requested someone to trim them down and rewrite them. ---- Kailash29792 (talk) 08:25, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Then ask someone who can; there are plenty of skilled writers on Wikipedia who may be willing to help. You can't expect our copy-editors to write the article for you; I've already explained that we don't do that sort of thing in a copy-edit.

Baffle gab1978 (talk

) 08:34, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Dear Baffle gab1978, thank you for your bold copyediting of the article. Have a nice day. Borsoka (talk) 04:52, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi - do you think the changes I've made to the Homeostasis article have clarified it to the point that the 'confusing' tag could be removed? Any further suggestions for improvement would be welcomed. Thanks DaveApter (talk) 12:35, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi Dave, I've done a quick copy-edit to the header and I've removed the tag. The header should present a generalised overview of the subject; specifics are dealt with in the article's body, per

Baffle gab1978 (talk

) 15:24, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks!

		A plate of Tandoori chicken for you
		Here is a plate of Tandoori chicken for you. Tandoori chicken is a popular Indian dish consisting of roasted chicken prepared with yogurt and spices. The name comes from the type of cylindrical clay oven, a tandoor, in which the dish is traditionally prepared. For Tiruchirappalli c/e Thank you. —Vensatry (Ping me) 16:28, 27 November 2013 (UTC) For more Indian dishes, visit the Kitchen of WikiProject India.

Gemini (2002 Tamil film)

c/e

Hey! Thanks for copyediting the article. I have listed some issues with the same.

• In the second para of the lead section: though the actor's full name is Ajith Kumar, he is mononymously known as Ajith. Is it okay using Ajith instead of Kumar? In Indian context, we don't usually use second name as against Western culture.
• May I know why the character description is extraneous in cast section?. Even the description for characters not even mentioned in the plot has been removed. I'm not that experienced. I saw some FAs for reference which have character description and even casting choices in the 'Cast' section
• Vinu Chakravarthy isn't unnamed. His name doesn't pop up much during the film. So, I'm unable to remember it. Will be filling in his name the next time I catch the film on TV. So, may I suggest removing the 'unnamed' thingy? The same applies with Ilavarasu. I just can't recall his name.

Thanks again. --

• I've abandoned the copy-edit; see your talk page. I reverted the cast section to the old version as you requested above. Cheers,
  Baffle gab1978 (talk
  ) 20:51, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Hmmm.. Thats bad. Thanks anyway. --

Sriram ^{speak up}

18:02, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

OOPS! Sry, I just started without checking the history. Chaosdruid (talk) 22:31, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

That's okay Chaosdruid; it was my fault for not marking the request working. I don't take part in the drives anyway so I'm not worried who c/e'd it. :-) Cheers,

Baffle gab1978 (talk

) 17:17, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi Sriram; it depends whether the original copy-editor is willing; some will happily do a c/e by direct request and some won't (me!). You can always re-add the request to the GOCE page but there's a long wait at the moment. If you're adding content to the article, it might be a good idea to wait until that's finished before re-requesting; it's pointless doing a copy-edit whilst the article's still in development. Cheers,

Baffle gab1978 (talk

) 17:43, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks dude. The first time I made a request was for the GA review. But due to the huge backlog, it only happened before the FAC! --

Sriram ^{speak up}

02:20, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

Thank you so much for giving your valuable time. Thanks will fall short for your precious time.I am contacting the news channels and magazines to provide me with the interviews that Mr.Lagadapati has given back then ( Referring to the period 2001- 2007 ). Will take a month or two to provide links to citations as uploading programs over the internet were far less back then.With at most respect I have to say you are copy editing exactly the way it has to be . I will provide supporting links for every citation mentioned with time as I will take time to retrieve and also to upload them.Hope you understand. With Respect , Thanks Rock (talk) 16:10 , 27 November 2013 (UTC)

No worries; you can always request another copy-edit when you're ready. Cheers,

Baffle gab1978 (talk

) 22:51, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! :) ,Love & Peace Rock (talk) 18:24 , 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Thank you so much

Baffle gab1978 .Its simple & crisp . :) How do I get in touch with you. Its not about articles .I personally feel happy and would like to keep in touch with people who have an understanding for work.Love & Peace Rock (talk

) 2:10 , 30 November 2013 (UTC)

No worries Rock; thanks for your reply. I don't have e-mail enabled and I prefer to keep my wikilife separate from my other online activities. You can always post here on my talk page, or you can usually find me lurking around at the

Baffle gab1978 (talk

) 20:52, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi Baffle gab1978! Thanks for copy-editing La Luz del Mundo. Ajax F¡ore_talk 16:06, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for taking the time to copy edit this. The confused section is much improved. -Arb. (talk) 10:06, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

And while we're at it, let's not forget you work on Hedonism Resorts back in November 2012. -Arb. (talk) 10:14, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

No worries; I'd forgotten about Hedonism. Cheers,

Baffle gab1978 (talk

) 07:02, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

... but I saw your entry in the table saying you were willing to stand again, and went ahead and nominated you. Hope I wasn't too quick. --Stfg (talk) 14:55, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

That's no problem, Simon, thank you for doing that. I'm happy to continue looking after the requests list for the next six months. If there are any other areas that need attention, feel free to give me a nudge. I've been busy in my darkroom this morning so haven't logged in for a while... Cheers,

Baffle gab1978 (talk

) 07:07, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

If u have a heart (I know u do), please try to expand and c/e only one section in Meera (the filming section), taking info from this site only. After that, the article can be removed from the GOCE list. Meanwhile, Mullum Malarum (another GOCE nominee) is all ready for going through a c/e and the next step is GA nomination. ---- Kailash29792 (talk) 05:31, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi Kailash29792; no to all of the above. I'll happily accept your GOCE requests when the articles are expanded, stable and reach at the top. There's no point us copy-editing unstable articles or ones that are actively being expanded. I don't normally expand articles unless the subject area particularly interests me; Indian cinema isn't one of those subjects. I've said before that I don't accept direct requests for copy-editing. There is a very good reason for this, and if I make exceptions for one person I'll never hear the end of it. Cheers,

Baffle gab1978 (talk

) 21:27, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi, one of the reviewers is feeling that the 2nd–4th paras of "Early and medieval history" section should be re-written. If you gave time, can you make some minor c/e without changing the meaning of the text. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 17:20, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

I gave time. Cheers,

Baffle gab1978 (talk

) 22:14, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Another beer for you!

Thank you for working on the ANZAC Mounted Division article. Always impressed by the work the Guild does and I appreciate you taking the time. Drink up and Cheers! Jim Sweeney (talk) 17:20, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Jim, you're welcome; it's an interesting and well-researched article and deserved to be a GA. :-) Good luck and cheers,

Baffle gab1978 (talk

) 20:37, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

A beer for you!

Thank you for copyediting the Battle of the Barracks article. I appreciate your time and effort very much. Cheers! Tomobe03 (talk) 12:06, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, no worries. I'm still working on it, should be finished in a couple of days. Cheers,

Baffle gab1978 (talk

) 21:01, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Also, thank you very much for copyediting the 1991 Yugoslav campaign in Croatia. Your input really shows, improving general readability of the article- Cheers!--Tomobe03 (talk) 09:50, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for completing the copy edits to the article. As for this edit, I thought that though she was replaced with another the next day, she did not reign for a day, and it would be important to emphasize that she was deposed a few hours later. What is your opinion on this? --Huang (talk) 06:03, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

Fair point; thanks for clarifying. I'll amend the article. Cheers,

Baffle gab1978 (talk

) 06:07, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

• Mission: Earth, Voyage to the Home Planet

Just a heads up there was a previous copyedit there by

— Cirt (talk) 21:40, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Cirt; I thought Lamercer missed a lot of issues and he also didn't mark the request on the requests page; I only realised what he'd done when I viewed the article's history. Ah well, 'tis done anyway. Cheers,

Baffle gab1978 (talk

) 21:46, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

So you'll go on to finish a complete copyedit? — Cirt (talk) 03:27, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I've now completed the copy-edit. Cheers,

Baffle gab1978 (talk

) 03:43, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

...but left EngvarB tag. Please check it. HAPPY NEW YEAR! Cheers, Shir-El too 12:32, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi Shir-El; I spotted a few errors which I'll fix, but you've done a good job on the article and it's a definite improvement. EngvarB is fine; I'd normally use

Baffle gab1978 (talk

) 18:00, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Baffle gab1978, first of all I cannot stop myself from appreciating your patience and enthusiasm. This is my first GA under this topic, so is the incoherence. It looks much better now! Thanks very much :) —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 04:57, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

No worries; happy to help. Good luck with your GA nomination, and happy new year. :-) Cheers,

Baffle gab1978 (talk

) 06:18, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Are you fully done with the article? Happy new year :) —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 07:24, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Yes, unless there's something else you need me to do. Cheers,

Baffle gab1978 (talk

) 20:21, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi Kailash, I'm well aware of this delay and I'll be prompting Lamercer to start work on it very soon. He hasn't edited since 25th December. If there's no action in seven further days I'll strike his acceptance and open the request again. Cheers,

Baffle gab1978 (talk

) 14:32, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

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