Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive130
SMcCandlish
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Request concerning SMcCandlish
Two of the violations in this diff include is seeking administrative power for the specific intent (perhaps among other more legitimate intents) of shutting up opponents of his/her MOS views and further fantasizes that MOS should have thought-policing, neither of which appears to be supported by the candidate's statements.
Done. Discussion concerning SMcCandlishStatement by SMcCandlish1. I have a right like any other editor in good standing to raise problems with a candidate's statements at, and behavior patterns relevant to, their RFA. The fact that in this case those of this candidate – as evidenced by not one but two anti-MOS introductory rants by the candidate! – involve MOS in disturbing ways does not magically mean that WP:ARBATC , the case that SarekOfVulcan is making.
If SarekOfVulcan believes I am misinterpreting the RFA candidate's arguably extremist views expressed at the RFA with regard to WP:BRD be "suspended" with regard to MOS and that control over MOS be turned over to lone censors, some kind of super-'crat or something!), and his/her history of tooth-gnashy debate about MOS, from talk page to talk page, then that is something SarekOfVulcan can seek clarification about at the RFA page. It's not an AE matter. I am also not the first or only RFA respondent to note that the anti-MOS (and anti-MOS-editors, bad-faith-assuming) rants by the candidate are alarming.
2. Sandstein's warning is subject to an open dispute, yet this new AE by SarekOfVulcan depends on it . At WT:AE#Request for input by ArbCom members concerning an AE action (and at User talk:SMcCandlish and User talk:Sandstein before Sandstein opened the matter at WT:AE), I am disputing the validity of Sandstein's warning, which SarekOfVulcan is here relying on, because I have shown that it is based on false accusations and Sandstein himself admitting he was not aware of the background of the issue. Two other productive editors, Neotarf and Noetica. have already quit Wikipedia over the same Sandstein warning/threats they received for the same discussion. Sandstein refuses to retract the warnings (and even seems to suggest they "cannot" be retracted, for unclear reasons). I have to note that at WT:AE and at both relevant user talk pages, various editors, including other admins, have raised serious concerns about the propriety of Sandstein's "warning" actions and subsequent refusal to even reconsider (and they have done so on more than one basis).
Sandstein himself started the thread at WT:AE in an effort to get Arb input to help resolve the issue (unsuccessfully so far, though various other admins and non-admins have responded), and notes that there's a procedural question of how one can even appeal such a warning and the basis for it at all. (This is a nontrivial issue, because a discretionary-sanctions warning under WP:AN , but a special ARBCOM one that is very akin to an out-of-process topic ban). As none of this is resolved yet, the basis for SarekOfVulcan's new AE request is subject to multiple levels of dispute already, and it does nothing but muddy the water. It appears at this juncture that I will have to at least formally request clarification on the scope, applicability and intent of ARBATC and its overbroad and vague discretionary sanctions, and possibly also request an RFARB separately to get the false warning expunged. Or I may simply quit Wikipedia, too, because I am tiring rapidly of being followed around from page to page by SarekOfVulcan and a couple of others trying to find any excuse to abuse ARBATC to punitively block me.
3. ARBATC sanctions are being misused unintentionally if not consciously abused, by two very WP:AN . After that ban, Apteva filed a retaliatory, frivolous AE request against Noetica. When myself and others attempted to point out that Apteva was simply abusing AE as part of his established pattern of forum-shopping and disruption, Sandstein, with no knowledge of what had been going on, declared that we were personalizing a MOS dispute and issued bogus warnings for making "broad and unfounded allegations" and using AE as some kind of forum for random venting, when in fact our statements with regard to the posts of Apteva and other parties were narrow, relevant, and proven true at WP:AN already, where Apteva was then blocked for sockpuppetry, too.This baseless warning by Sandstein and its near-immediate abuse by SarekOfVulcan here to shut me up or hound me off the system right on the heels of Noetica and Neotarf, shows that ARBATC is simply being programmatically misapplied to thwart consensus against ham-fisted efforts to censor anything related to MOS disputes. This is a case of two admins deciding that a style matter should be perpetually off limits simply because they think it is "lame" (Sandstein's word), and trying to use ARBATC to accomplish what consensus already told them they can't have (shut-up-or-else punitive bans). That makes it both a content dispute and a dispute over administrative authority, not an editor wrongly claiming an admin is "involved" because they've argued about something with the editor. 4. The illegitimate admin goal of personally censoring and character-assassinating me has escalated to the level of blatant harassment already. As noted toward the bottom of WP:WIKIHOUNDING ), and this frivolous, "how dare you be critical at RFA" AE request by one of the admins directly involved in the ongoing dispute the resolution of which is still under discussion at WT:AE, is further evidence of this. Again, I am not the only one who has raised concerns about this at WT:AE and User_talk:Sandstein.
5. This AE request is frivolous and vexatious, is based on "facts" that are disputed, and interferes with normal operation of RFA. It also amounts to a drawn-out case of — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ɖ⊝כ⊙þ Contrib. 20:05, 8 February 2013 (UTC) SMcCandlish's response to Cailil's initial "Result" post SarekOfVulcan added me to the party list at ARBATC, but I did not post a statement there and no findings of fact or remedies addressed me, so I was not a party in any relevant sense. This is important as background to begin with, but note that Sarek said "I didn't dive far enough into [the issue he started the ARBATC case over] to figure out who was 'the problem' ... Remember, 'involved party' does not mean 'potential recipient of sanctions'..." So even Sarek knows that the basis for sanctioning me in particular is shaky to begin with. But the problems with this AE filing go far beyond this. The two pages at issue here (WP:AE itself, a post of mine to which Sandstein issued a confused warning about that was not cognizant of any of the salient facts that led to my post, and badly misconstrued it; and the RFA now at issue), do not have the ARBATC warnings Cailil refers to on them.Being process pages at which MOS issues can legitimately be discussed, including with particular reference to specific parties, no one would reasonably assume that ARBATC could possibly apply to them, pretty much by definition. They are pages in which the discussion are automatically "personalized" because they are by their nature about specific parties. ( WP:ARCA supersedes all that entire. 04:06, 9 February 2013 (UTC)] but the false accusation issue would remain and I'm not going to let that go just because some admin buddies of his follow me around and harass me. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ɖ⊝כ⊙þ Contrib. 20:33, 8 February 2013 (UTC) ]
PS: I am not making PPS: Yes, I understand that I have been notified of ARBATC's outcome, that I have been warned whether legitimately or otherwise. It is not my intent to unduly "personalize" anything here, but I cannot be expected to respond to entirely personalized accusations with entirely impersonal responses that pretend that specific parties are not involved. That's not ARBATC's intent, and AE cannot actually operate that way. If you (Cailil or anyone) have concerns about any particular statement I've made, I'll be happy to address them. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ɖ⊝כ⊙þ Contrib. 21:01, 8 February 2013 (UTC) SMcCandlish's statement in response to the two particular accusations by SarekOfVulcanSarek writes "
So, um, I kinda have to stick to my criticism of this admin candidate's candidacy, exactly as I wrote it. Even if I were wrong about either of these points, the only two SarekOfVulcan makes, neither of them are pretending to be happy about what someone is proposing. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ɖ⊝כ⊙þ Contrib. 20:55, 8 February 2013 (UTC) ]
In response to your later comment ("insane shit"? seriously?), I did not bring a MOS-related dispute to RFA and "personalize" it. I don't have any extant MOS or AT dispute with that editor. I did not need to bother digging up anything specific to quote from MOS talk that the candidate may have said, since addressing the alarming proposals the candidate made at the top of their own RFA, and noting their own admission of having been an MOS editwarrior, was enough to strongly oppose. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ɖ⊝כ⊙þ Contrib. 23:59, 8 February 2013 (UTC) PS: Making an attribution error is not "making stuff up" (an accusation of bad faith), it's just an attribution error. This is twice in one discussion, which according to you and Sandstein is subject to ARBATC discretionary sanctions despite being only tenuously connected to MOS/AT issues, in which you've needlessly personalized the discussion against me. Care to continue? :-) — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ɖ⊝כ⊙þ Contrib. 22:55, 12 February 2013 (UTC) SMcCandlish's response to NE EntYour second point is interesting, and echoes something Cailil said. SMcCandlish's response to BagumbaOf course a response to your editing behavior at RFA (namely, following up someone else's comments with a declaration that you refuse to read them and a non sequitur statement that your concerns are satisfied, without addressing whether the concerns raised by the other editor were satisfied) is "personal" to you, since it's about your behavior. This has nothing to do with anything under discussion here. It is certainly unrelated to WP:ARBATC, which is about ah hominem personalization of style and article title disputes. Basically, I'm seeing now a pattern of misinterpretation of "personalize" and of what ARBATC covers, not just in Bagumba's post here, but more generally. Anyone who has not actually read the findings and remedies at ARBATC should do so before commenting here, or you're just muddying the water. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ɖ⊝כ⊙þ Contrib. 22:04, 8 February 2013 (UTC) ]
PS: I feel that blatantly labeling a candidate "incompetent", as you recommend, would be far more of an incivility or personal attack than suggesting that their double-barreled ranting about MOS and proposals for out-of-process dictatorial control over it indicates a desire to gain admin authority for purposes we don't give admin authority for. I did not need to cite anything that the candidate said at MOS, because the candidate already indicated regretting having said them, and meanwhile their own introductory Q&A material was far more damning. Others had alread quote MOS and one of its subpages and the user's own talk archives for MOS-related issues, anyway, so my doing so would have been redundant. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ɖ⊝כ⊙þ Contrib. 22:11, 8 February 2013 (UTC) SMcCandlish's response to Cailil's later "Result" postUnderstood, and thanks for being both clear and reasonable about this. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ɖ⊝כ⊙þ Contrib. 08:21, 10 February 2013 (UTC) SMcCandlish's response to Sandstein's "Result" postI don't think your response belongs in that section, because even some other admins here think you are Mexican-American War dispute (an editorial, not administrative action) that ultimately led to all of this via the various RFC/U, AN and AE cases involved Apteva. (Not having taken a content side in that dispute is irrelevant; you tried to shut the entire conversation down as "lame", and then a year+ later warned me in a sanctioning and accusatory way after I defended one of the editors you wanted by name to topic-ban, in an AE filing that ultimately derived from the same dashes-and-hyphens dispute as at that article; it's not the most common kind of connection and involvement, but it is there). Other than your assertion of non-involvement, I don't have any disagreement with what you've said below so far, including your critique of my post at RFA. While I maintain that it did not violate any policies by posting it, it could have been worded better. The outstanding issues I have with regard to issues between us have already been outlined at ARCA. I don't feel I need to clarify anything here further. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ɖ⊝כ⊙þ Contrib. 22:43, 10 February 2013 (UTC) ]
Comments by others about the request concerning SMcCandlishStatement by ErikHaugenThis request is pretty far out in the weeds. ARBATC says DS are to be applied at "all pages related to the English Wikipedia Manual of Style and article titles policy, broadly construed." I think it's difficult to stretch this to RFA, but even if one does, the entire point of RFA is in some sense to discuss the editor, ie "personalize". Discussing the editor's conduct and/or intentions at WT:MOS or AT can not be considered in itself to be a violation of ARBATC. This obviously has to be done in as civil a manner as possible, so it might be worth examining SMC's comments there to see if they rise above acceptable standards per WP:NPA/etc. I think they do not. Additionally, whether or not the statements quoted by the filer here are supported by the candidate's statements doesn't seem relevant. Did SMC misunderstand the candidate? If so does that mean we block him for misunderstanding someone? That would be strange. @Calil—Regarding SMC's comments that you quoted (on SMC's talk page): that was in the context of responding to an accusation, and on a user talk page. This is not personalizing a MOS dispute. Please; this kind of clampdown on how people can defend themselves has gone too far. ErikHaugen (talk | contribs) 20:31, 8 February 2013 (UTC) @SarekOfVulcan—Yes, I noticed your quotes and in my statement I commented on your analysis of them. I'm not sure what you're trying to tell me. ErikHaugen (talk | contribs) 20:58, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
Statement by NE Ent
Further comments by SarekOfVulcan@ErikHaugen: if SMcCandlish had said "I have grave questions about the candidate after reading his proposed 'solution' to MOS problems", this wouldn't have been an issue. His comments I quote above are what make this into an ARBATC vio, in my view. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 20:52, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
@SMcCandlish: SarekOfVulcan's claim that ARBATC prevents an editor from raising "personal" concerns at RFA -- never said any such thing. I just indicated that ARBATC prevents you from making insane shit up about people with whom you're having disputes about the MOS.--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 22:18, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
Statement by BagumbaI am not involved with MOS, but interacted with SMcCandlish at the RfA in question before this AE request was opened. I had called SMC out for his charge that the RFA candidate "is seeking administrative power for the specific intent (perhaps among other more legitimate intents) of shutting up opponents of his/her MOS views, in ways that thwart WP:CONSENSUS policy." This is quite different from your usual "I oppose because he appears incompetent based on A, B, and C incidents at MOS". SMC followed in kind with a response to me, which appears personalized—but perhaps I'm too involved too judge.—Bagumba (talk) 21:30, 8 February 2013 (UTC) Statement by Hans AdlerThis report is in such incredibly poor taste that it absolutely needs to become a boomerang. Cailil, you are way out of line. There is nothing inappropriate in [1], and if you think otherwise you should look for something else to do that is more in keeping with your qualifications. A certain degree of sense, common and otherwise, is expected of admins using their privileges. This applies to you as well as to SoV and to Sandstein. Apart from the obvious ethical concerns, I don't think it is wise to play power games while Arbcom is looking at a matter. Hans Adler 22:35, 8 February 2013 (UTC) Statement by The Devil's AdvocateI believe the tone of Sarek's notification was a bit provocative myself so SMc's response is somewhat understandable. Honestly, I feel SMc is going overboard at this point, but I think it is largely because of the fallout from the recent AE case against Noetica and the rather frivolous warnings given out at the end. Overall, Sarek's conduct in this topic area has been a big part of the problem as of late by my estimation. Review the recent AE cases in this topic area and you will see what I mean.--The Devil's Advocate tlk. cntrb. 23:30, 8 February 2013 (UTC) Statement by -scheI agree with the Statement by ErikHaugen, and I think this filing was an overreaction to SMC's comments. -sche (talk) 23:04, 10 February 2013 (UTC) Result concerning SMcCandlish
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Brews ohare
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Request concerning Brews ohare
Discussion concerning Brews ohareStatement by Brews ohareComments by JohnBlackburneHere are the diffs I added to the Admin Noticeboard thread, with the relevant physics content
These all add physics to the article ] Comment by Beyond My Ken
Just a note to remind all that Brews ohare's sanction was the topic of this enforcement request in December, which was closed with this closing statement by Seraphimblade: Brews ohare will be issued a final warning, logged to WP:ARBSL, that the topic ban covers all material reasonably and closely related to physics, regardless of what page such material is on. Brews ohare is further urged to request clarification from an uninvolved administrator (preferably one familiar with the case) or here at AE prior to beginning editing any material where its relation to the topic ban may be in question. Such clarification requests made in good faith will not be considered a violation of the ban. |
517design
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Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning 517design
This report is a follow up to discussion at talk of Sandstein: [10] I already provided the info about this violation in a previous thread, but since misconduct by each individual editor should be the subject of a separate AE request, I'm filing a new one. User:517design joined an edit war in the article Shusha and made an rv without leaivng any edit summary: [11] However 517design was placed on an editing restriction, which limits him to one revert per page per week, excepting obvious vandalism, and he is required to discuss any content reversions on the page's talk page: [12], but he left no comment at the talk page either. So 517design clearly violated his restriction. Grandmaster 12:24, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
Discussion concerning 517designStatement by 517designI am now not a very regular editor, and, honestly speaking, I forgot about the restrictions that were imposed 3 years ago. Aren't these restrictions stale? Me not adding summary etc. was simply a mechanical mistake, not an edit war. I simply forgot. I think therefore this doesn't merit any a restriction or ban. I created many good quality articles [14] and never violated any rules since 2010. Now compare this with User:Grandmaster, who filed this request. He is repeatedly getting away with many violations of WP rules. He edits exclusively the most controversial articles in AA2 area [15], and just days ago he filed the second un-actionable AE request against User:Oliveriki [16]. Look at this acts of tendentious editing by User:Grandmaster and his intransigent WP:BATTLEGROUND spirit
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With his WP:BOOMERANG . And yet
he has never been sanctioned so far. 517design (talk) 05:14, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
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Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning Ohconfucius
My attention was drawn to this matter a couple of weeks ago, when I saw Ohconfucius doing bot-editing on glacier articles on my watchlist. Part of our exchange was about a preceding zero in the dates and he is correct that MOS recommends (remember folks, MOS is a guideline, not policy) that dates formatted YYYYMMDD or similiar have a preceding zero. Okay thats fine. However, the insistance on adding use m/d/y boilerplates, the misspelling of US for U.S., the pedantic demand to follow OVERLINK beyond to the point of ridiculous is simply tendentious editing. I could treat this the same way I might treat a misbehaving child, ignore the bad and reward the good (and some of these edits are fine), but since I am apparently not the only person who has seen issues regarding Ohconfucius' use of bot assisted scripts on MOS issues, I think its time this editor be reminded of the difference between usefulness and tendentiousness. If this editor is going to continue to be allowed to make mass edting with a bot, then they need to make sure they're not being disruptive. Edit warring over the issue, even a slow war, is unacceptable...[25], [26], [27], [28], [29], [30], [31], [32], [33], [34] I don't use a bot so whatever (mostly minor but still more than annoying) alterations made to articles will have to be done manually. If I rollback, then someone may complain that Ohconfucious wasn't vandalizing. This has gone on long enough.
Discussion concerning OhconfuciusStatement by Ohconfucius I am unaware that I have breached any Arbcom ruling, nor have I received such a warning from any editor this year.MONGO is an editor who edits mainly in the field of glaciers, where my scan of the WP database revealed problems with the date formats employed. As I already explained when engaged my MONGO on my talk page that my efforts were to put the article's dates into compliance with the MOSNUM. He didn't like the format I substituted 'his' non-compliant dates with, so I self-reverted all those I had changed up to that point, and instead re-inserted the missing zeros on his faux-ISO dates. So as to avoid making inconsequential edits, I often bundle some other fixes, of which unlinking common terms is one. When MONGO challenged my substitution of U.S. with US, I immediately amended my script to make the unlinking punctuation-neutral. It seems that MONGO has subsequently been coming up behind all my glacier-related edits to reinsert a link to 'USA', which is discouraged per MOSLINK, whilst at the same time removing the {{use mdy dates}} template. I don't usually revisit an article in such a short space of time unless there are problems to be addressed, but the lack of the template causes me to revisit the article. -- Ohconfucius ping / poke 02:09, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
Comments by others about the request concerning OhconfuciusComment by GoingBattyMOS:ABBR#Miscellanea indicates that "US" is an acceptable abbreviation for United States. GoingBatty (talk) 19:28, 16 February 2013 (UTC) ]
Comment by The Devil's AdvocateI don't think this matter is a valid AE issue. Confucius is under no active restriction from the relevant Arbitration case. Should this be about WP:ARBATC, then I am a little perplexed as to why the date de-linking case is being cited as the basis for enforcement rather than ARBATC. Looking at the proposed decision for discretionary sanctions at that case, it does not seem that remedy was intended to be enforced in this manner. Seems the intent was that discretionary sanctions would apply specifically to edits relating to the relevant project pages themselves, rather than edits in articlespace applying the policies and guidelines.--The Devil's Advocate tlk. cntrb. 19:41, 16 February 2013 (UTC) ]
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Result concerning Ohconfucius
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Arbitration enforcement action appeal by Yerevanci
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Procedural notes: The rules governing arbitration enforcement appeals are found WP:UNINVOLVED ).
Statement by YerevanciI don't think I deserved getting banned because
P.S. : If I will not get unblocked, my only wish is to let me edit talk 23:57, 12 February 2013 (UTC) ]
Statement by SandsteinI recommend that this appeal be declined as concerns the question of whether the conduct at issue is sanctionable, though I have no objections to any adjustments my colleagues may wish to make regarding the type, scope or length of the sanction. I imposed the sanction – this is also in response to Lord Roem below – because Yerevanci sought to have undeleted a very obviously non-neutral article to which he had contributed,
Statement by (involved editor 1)Statement by (involved editor 2)Discussion among uninvolved editors about the appeal by YerevanciI would like to add my 2 cents. The history with this deleted article in some regards reminds me of what's going on in the article about Anti-Azerbaijani sentiment in Armenia, one can see that we have 2 articles describing pretty much one side of the story leaving out the context. For instance, sources such as HRW make it clear that anti-Armenian sentiment in Azerbaijan is a result of Nagorno-Karabakh conflict, while the article makes no mention of it. One can see at AFDs that uninvolved editors tend to support the merge of both articles into one dedicated to either to a particular ethnic group in a country, or general relations between Armenia and Azerbaijan. I think the community needs to look into the issue in a wider context and decide what to do with WP:CHERRY style articles and article sections which attempt to denigrate one side of the conflict and present the other in a better light, using selective quoting, etc. Otherwise articles like Falsification in ..., Anti-.... sentiment in ...., or similar kind of articles will continue to be created, and this will escalate tensions in AA area. Grandmaster 09:32, 15 February 2013 (UTC) ]
Without commenting on the original topic-ban itself, I don't think Yerevanci's request for an exemption for talk) 22:37, 15 February 2013 (UTC) ]
I read the article "Falsification of history in Azerbaijan" before it was summarily deleted, and I thought that the content was not bad, although the title was inappropriate. The English was not brilliant, but a core pillar here is that everyone can contribute, so it just needed to wait for renaming and copyediting. @Gatoclass, it's totally possible that there's more anti-Armenian sentiment in Azerbaijan than the reverse. As an analogy, there's a lot of anti-Chinese sentiment in India because of the 1962 border war, but the different media and political climate in China means that most Chinese don't remember or care about that history, so there's little negative (or any really consolidated) sentiment towards Indians there. Point is, Yerevanci's vote on the Azerbaijanophobia AfD might just reflect a judgment on the quality of a non-notable, problem-ridden article that was created in a hasty, retaliatory fashion without much thought. @Grandmaster: It doesn't look like you've proved that Yerevanci misinterpreted HRW. The source made a compact reference to a "conflict with Armenia over Nagorno-Karabakh", and Yerevanci described the same general conflict with a fuller description. This difference from the source's wording is even necessary because of the close paraphrasing danger. @Sandstein: I think "pseudo-scientists" is poor wording, but it is a fact that there is an ecosystem of nationalists in such conflicts who masquerade as trained historians, archaeologists, or sociologists, and whose publications are critiqued by mainstream academe. As I mentioned before, one group in a bilateral conflict might be much more excited and active in their propaganda (giving us more to document) than the other. I think Yerevanci was banned rather reflexively, and a deeper inspection of his work will reveal consistent good-faith efforts to "write for the enemy", to request third-party neutrality review at venues like DYK, and to accept suggestions by those third parties for the purpose of making his writing more encyclopedic. The most shocking aspect of these sanctions is that Yerevanci wasn't even the one who created the now-deleted article. He just mistakenly brought what should have been a DRV to a trigger-happy noticeboard for administrators. talk) 22:18, 16 February 2013 (UTC) ]
Result of the appeal by Yerevanci
I'm probably not going to make any friends by saying this, but I am somewhat uncomfortable both with the original deletion of the article and the topic ban of Yerevanci. A preliminary review of the article in question suggests to me that it is based on mostly academic sources, and while the academics seem to be mostly Armenian or with likely Armenian sympathies, that does not necessarily disqualify them as reliable sources. It would of course be better if the article included some Azerbaijani sources but for a topic of this nature, they may well not exist. The article title is of course POV but the addition of the word Alleged might arguably be sufficient to address that problem. Certainly there are also some POV statements in the article but these could be modified according to the usual BRD cycle. My overall impression is that "falsification of history in Azerbaijan" is a topic of genuine academic interest. In accordance with Froggerlaura's suggestion on Fut. Perf's talk page, perhaps a DRV would be justified in this case? With regard to the ban on Yerevanci, though I think it is true his comments at AN were somewhat hyperbolic, it seemed to me that the general thrust of his comments were attempting to address the question of the validity of the topic rather than an example of WP:SOAPBOXing per se, though again I think a more suitable venue for his concern would have been DRV. As for the overall quality of Y.'s contributions to the topic area, I am unable to make a definitive judgement at this time but note that he has managed to get quite a number of articles past the DYK process, indicating that he is at least capable of NPOV editing. Gatoclass (talk) 13:53, 14 February 2013 (UTC) ]
On reflection, I think I have probably seen enough evidence already to come to a conclusion. Firstly, I think the validity of the sanction imposed by Sandstein hinges on the question of whether or not one considers the now-deleted article Falsification of history in Azerbaijan to be inherently or irredeemably POV or not. If one proceeds from the assumption that it was, then I think Sandstein's topic ban would be both justified and proportionate, since haggling over the deletion of an irredeemably POV topic could readily be considered disruptive. If on the other hand, the article dealt with a legitimate encyclopedic topic or contained substantial legitimate content, Yerevanci's calls for restoration might be considered reasonable and the topic ban excessive. My concern derived primarily from the fact that when I looked at the deleted article, while I could certainly identify some obvious POV issues, including the article's name, it was not immediately obvious to me that the topic was inherently POV or that outstanding problems could not be rectified, and I felt obliged to express this concern. Then again, while I have not done an exhaustive examination of Yerevanci's contributions in this topic area, I have looked at a number of his articles. On the one hand, I found some admirable examples of Anti-Azerbaijani sentiment in Armenia , also with multiple tags and currently up for AFD. I also note that while Yerevanci authored the first article, he has !voted delete on the second.
The bottom line for me is that I am uncomfortable with the notion of defending a user whose record of editing in the relevant topic area looks inconsistent at best. While I therefore maintain my concerns about the deletion of the "Falsification of history" article and the ban it led to, I am prepared to defer to the judgement of my fellow admins in this case. Gatoclass (talk) 13:14, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
@DQ - I refactored the above comment slightly as I felt the original comment didn't express my position with sufficient clarity. @Yerevanci - it is notionally possible to take the view that the article you created was legitimate whereas the "mirror" article created in response to it is not. My concern however, is that both articles look to me like POV forks which by definition exclude a balanced treatment of the issues. I also have concerns about some of the content, such as failure to attribute statements appropriately and so on, but this is not the right venue for discussing those concerns in detail. Gatoclass (talk) 04:18, 16 February 2013 (UTC) ]
@Grandmaster - thankyou for adding your viewpoint. I am unable to test the veracity of your claim that the "Falsification" article is an example of WP:CHERRY, because most of the sources are either in a foreign language or offline. You would need to provide more concrete evidence of a claim like that, but such a debate is probably beyond the scope of this appeal. My impression of the deleted (now userfied article, I think) is still that much of the content is legitimate and not obviously POV, regardless of whether or not it needs to be balanced by content from Azerbaijani sources or presented in a different context. That was the basis on which I was willing to provide some support for Yerevanci's appeal, but if the consensus of uninvolved admins here is that Yerevanci's actions were nonetheless problematic, I won't take issue with that. Gatoclass (talk) 08:35, 16 February 2013 (UTC) ]
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Nado158
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Request concerning Nado158
While looking at the recent WP:ARBMAC topic areas.
I didn't analyze the entire contribution history of the user, but the common thread with these incidents appears to be WP:SYNTH necessary).
(I apologize if the readers don't appreciate my sarcasm. I've been exposed to this stuff for a long time now, and I have to find some humor in it, otherwise it's just too depressing.) Given the problems, Nado158's contribution in these topic areas does not seem like a net positive for the encyclopedia. I've tried to do due dilligence and tried to find proof to the contrary, and found only some more gems of the unrelated kind in the Persecution... article:
I suggest an initial temporary topic ban on anything related to such talking points. I have no prejudice against other topic areas - although I did just notice this incident while searching for their AfD history. I'm not enacting such a topic ban myself because a possibility of WP:INVOLVED , and because any such action by myself could be generally construed as persecution of a poor Serbian user by the evil Croats, which would just compound the problem, regardless of the notion being baseless. It's best for this to be reviewed by neutral editors.
Discussion concerning Nado158Statement by Nado158Reply to Joy@Joy - You looked at the recent Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Persecution of Serbs and other non-Albanians in Kosovo, and you recognize that I persistent "battleground mentality"? I have just answered and I just defended my opinion. This falls on you that I used "battleground mentality", but you not saw that the users have to start before with this mentalitiy, and have used the same language? I wonder why? I have offended nobody, and have dealt respectfully with each. I was the one who actually proposed to end this without meaningful discussions and I answered politely and always ended every sentence reasonable. So why complain only to me and represent me as if I the user treat bad what is not true?--Nado158 (talk) 12:04, 21 February 2013 (UTC) @Joy - About the Gotovina topic: You had removed a comment by Carla del Ponte (soruces from The Guardian...[44]), who was a very important person to this case, and my suspicion was that you've only done this because they had judged negatively about Gotovina. I do not knew you and just bevore I meet many users from all the ethnic group who write is not objective, use the POV or NPOV. I unfortunately made the mistake and react too quickly. I realized my error and I apologized to you. It is 3 months ago and I have since then, specifically to the Carla del Ponte topic, did not return right? Did I continou to discussion with you about this? No. I learned from it so make me please not so bad or that there would be a constant problem-with me. About the Bošnjani topic: It was my mistake. I have not read the sources, not the talk page etc. I was too fast and made rookie errors. After I read the sources and the Talk Page, I saw that I was wrong. I have apologized for it and also I never returned again to this page. About the Zemun topic: I dont know who is Oldhouse2012. I came to this site because I wanted to write about sports because I mainly for 80% write about sports and this topic very interrested me. I finally done this, but also I saw a large part of the text without sources and who was added again and again by someone, or from the new user Shokatz. To me its looked like POV, I thought it was a sock. And because there are no sources for this was given, I decided to remove it. But I was never rude, etc.--Nado158 (talk) 12:04, 21 February 2013 (UTC) ]
@Joy - About the topic Sockpuppet: Your accusation that WhiteWriter is rightly criticizes was wrong, because he was right. I saw the accusation of WhiteWriter was not meaningless, because they led to discovery to a sock. Also User Peacemaker67 was agree with WhiteWriter. The suddenly emerging user Kosovo 2008 Albania 1912 has been blocked [45]. I also saw the other users have expressed their opinion on suspicion. So I thought I also have the right if there is suspicion. My suspicion was mainly related to Keithstanton, and what eventually happened? He has been blocked due to abuse of editing privileges [46]. I was right. And I wonder very much about your accusations, because you yourself complained about him as you can se here.[47]. So why you may that and I not?I would add further....--Nado158 (talk) 12:04, 21 February 2013 (UTC) @Joy - You said, that you didn't analyze the entire contribution history of me, but you saw my beginner errors while you overlooked a lot of my good articles have which nothing to do with these topics. You've picked out the 5% of the "bad things" and all the other good things omitted represent bad about me. You've been looking for a hair in the soup. You overlooked that I worked already with Croatian, Hungarian an other users. You made allegations that I have maybe Nationalist background, that I want to Gotovina look bad, although 98% of anything I not wrote about him (I could also say that you want to let Gotovina look much prettirt or? And I remind you that Republic of Kosovo. Why do they try to transfer a stereotype to me? I am willing to work with all of you. With me about everything can be arranged. I respect every one here, but I would add that I also have a rights.--Nado158 (talk) 12:58, 21 February 2013 (UTC) ]
@Joy - About the broken English: I improve my English every day and if I make a grammatical error, then I am pleased if another user corrects me and and I happy if I learn from it. You could have improved my fault instead of criticizing me for such a thing. I also wrote numerous articles which showed a good English, and nobody complains about this. Also that you overlooked. I would appreciate if you let me upgrade and I learn from it.--Nado158 (talk) 13:11, 21 February 2013 (UTC) @Joy - About the copy allegations: The copy allegations are exaggerated. There are 1-2 sentences or few words but that all. How should I rewrite 1-2 sentences from OSCE report. How should I write this? And as you see I have mentioned there the persecution of Croats, as you can see your accusation that I had a problem with Croats is wrong. And at least I work with sources in contrast to some other users.Thank you.--Nado158 (talk) 13:25, 21 February 2013 (UTC) ]
Reply to others@ZjarriRrethues - About the topic: "In August 2005, two Serbs were shot dead and two injured when their car was taken under fire". Please do not twist my things. I've already added a new source from Germany which describes these things etc. These things are written there. If I have made a mistake then say it to me please? Here the source. The answers to all the rest coming soon. Thank you.[48]--Nado158 (talk) 20:04, 20 February 2013 (UTC) @To all of you - I am willing to work with all of you, and of course in accordance with the laws. I not realized really that my changes are a problem or that they are a big problem. Where I realized that I made mistake (I made rookie errors) I have apologized and stopped it, and you can see this. With me about everything can be arranged. I respect every one here, but I would add that I also have a right to reply to the entire mentioned problems and to defend myself, because I see some misunderstandings and I want to solve these things peacefully.--Nado158 (talk) 20:53, 20 February 2013 (UTC) @Zero - About the topic: @KillerChihuahua - You've listened to me at all and not condemn me already in advance. I think that's not fair. You have to know that I am a beginner and then not know the rules or known very bad. I just looked out from other users how they act and failed to notice the error. There was an error. Today, I know a lot more, and I have not repeated some errors. I learn every day something new to it. I am willing to work with all of you. With me about everything can be arranged.--Nado158 (talk) 10:04, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
@Zjarri - About the attack with a bombs on Serbian house topic: I have given first a soruce and you not. And if you done this, then I may have overlooked it and you would have me point out more precisely. The accusation, better the the arrest of the suspect from the same ethnic group was sharply criticized by the affected family etc. They have condemned and rejected the arrest. The offender is free again and there are enough sources to this topic etc.I should add that an another user explained it to me better and we are then removed this and there were no problems from both sides. What do you say? I whish to add that...--Nado158 (talk) 13:50, 21 February 2013 (UTC) @Zjarri - About the Kosovo-Albanian topic: Yes, I put the source to show that it is called Kosovo Albanian. You can put also an other source which proved that. Where is the problem? It is called Kosovo-Albanian. About the mass accusations of sockpuppetry: Which mass accusations of sockpuppetry? Whith the help of WhiteWriter and Peacemaker67 we discovered a sock. The suddenly emerging user Kosovo 2008 Albania 1912 has been blocked [49]. I also saw the other users have expressed their opinion on suspicion. So I thought I also have the right if there is suspicion. My suspicion was mainly related to Keithstanton, and what eventually happened? He has been blocked due to abuse of editing privileges [50]. I was right. And the last of your accusations, the topic about "In August 2005, two Serbs were shot dead and two injured when their car was taken under fire by Albanians during a tire change"...I already refuetes with a new source. If you want you can write take under fire by unknown persons, although the injured Serbs said it was Alabanians. I can finde sources but who you wish.--Nado158 (talk) 16:32, 21 February 2013 (UTC) @EdJohnston - I now understand the problem, and I admit that the source is unfortunate and we can replace it with another source, but is not add from my side to assume ethnic bias. In addition, can you explain to me where I misreading the source about the Gniljane Group? Please read ALL my comments again, check it etc. I whish only to understand. Besides this, I already refuted some allegations here. I worked also with Croatian, German, Hungarian, Englsih etc an other users. I am willing to work with all of you and to improve myself. Why am I so quickly sentenced? or put in a drawer? Please read ALL my comments again. Thanky you--Nado158 (talk) 16:56, 21 February 2013 (UTC) @Lord Roem - Please wait? Please see also my opinion (and please read my comments above). By the way, we both have worked together a few weeks ago. In this collaboration, they have given me even partially right. I, another user and you have found a solution in the end. There were no problems. I do not think that I deserve such hard punishment.--Nado158 (talk) 17:08, 21 February 2013 (UTC) Comments by others about the request concerning Nado158ZjarriRrethues
--— ZjarriRrethues — talk 18:37, 20 February 2013 (UTC) NE EntProposed sanction by puppy (1 week block followed by 1 year topic ban) seems inappropriate; while the ban is reasonably preventative, adding a block to the mix seems punitive (what will a block accomplish that a ban won't?) NE Ent 16:45, 21 February 2013 (UTC) Thehoboclown
WhiteWriter
EvlekisMoved out of the admin section. -- If I can request that any admin dealing with this exercise restraint because Nado158 is very much a good faith editor who has made mistakes and realises these. Part of the problem regarding "battleground editing" is that this occurs in sensitive areas where rival factions exist in the first place. To this end, comments submitted by users perennially opposed to Nado158's outlook on article presentation should be taken with a pinch of salt. I know a lot about slinging mud because less than a year ago, I found myself at the dirty end of four AN/I inquiries and one editor to have dished out filth on this very post was instrumental in these purges - thankfully they all failed miserably but one did land me with an ARBMAC warning. I just wanted to add that not every idea of mine corresponds to Nado158's but we have been able to discuss and agree between each other and I can say that he has never reverted me when I have removed his contributions. Please see this thread which I add is live as I send this. Disciplinary at least, temporary ban at most, but indef is plain cruel. argue) 21:46, 21 February 2013 (UTC) ]
Result concerning Nado158
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The user is administrator of Bulgarian Wikipedia who together with bg:user:Мико were continiously harrasing me on religious basis (I am Buddhist), threaten me with the words "Its your time" usually in both English and Bulgarian used as part of the fraze "time to die", reverted my edits in Buddhism to imply irony in issues and harassed my talk page with finally blocking me from Bulgarian Wikipedia. In Bugarian Wikipedia there isn't any type of arbitration and generally administrators act like little 'dictators' and in the case of Bulgarian Wikipedia they are pro-socialist, Orthodox Christians who largelly don't believe in diversity and multiculturalism, and use irony, reverts and deletion to suppress information that doesn't fit what they like. I also made a complain about the situation prior to the ban here, in the English Wikipedia, User talk:Jimbo Wales/Archive 126#Religious intolerance in Bulgarian Wikipedia
There was no warngs because of the administrator status of the users, only pleads:
Users and administrators bg:user:Алиса Селезньова and bg:user:Мико where continuously stepping over my edits in Buddhism making fun and irony of both the religion and my religious believes (not only in Metta article but there mainly), with making fun of me too and trying to make me nervous to have a reason to 'get rid of me' in Bulgarian Wikipedia and stop me from contributing in the area of Buddhism. I admit that they were successful in this but also I think the lack of arbitration and diversity among administrators in Bulgarian Wikipedia should be intervened with a type of arbitration.
I am unable to notify the user since I am blocked there.
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Grandmaster
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Request concerning Grandmaster
Example of disruptive behavior that went unaddressed in 2012:
This discussion is a follow-up on Anti-Azerbaijani sentiment in Armenia. The article was started and heavily edited by User:Brandmeister - a repeatedly topic-banned account, now for two years.
WP:TE. Here is just one example provided by User:517design that illustrates Grandmaster's aggressive style: [75] ,
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[78]. Despite multiple warnings, Grandmaster continues harassing a group of editors, including WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT .
Recent AE actions against User:Yerevanci and User:517design showed a trend toward the use of stricter standards in regard to AA2. User:Cailil said: I agree with Sandstein that in areas under multiple ArbCom mandated probations: "We should expect not only defensible, but exemplary conduct from anyone who wishes to edit [them]" [84] . Given that Grandmaster partisanship, intermittent display of anger and other breaches of WP rules are hardly defensible, his continued editorial participation at WP comes under questions.
Reply to Gatoclass and Sandstein
Reply to Devil's Advocate
Reply to GrandmasterYes, there were those like Golbez who to this day entertain various theories about meating and socking. This is a violation of WP:AGF. However, neither Golbez nor Sandstein did file two meritless AE requests against Oliveriki. Zimmarod (talk) 01:53, 21 February 2013 (UTC) ]
Discussion concerning GrandmasterStatement by GrandmasterTo tell the truth, I do not understand what exactly I'm being accused of. I'm not the only one who thinks that the activity of Zimmarod, Oliveriki and 517design in Shusha looks very suspicious. Sandstein agreed "that the history of the article gives the impression that sock- or meatpuppetry may be involved". [89] Golbez also stated that he believed Zimmarod was a sock account. [90] I wonder why Zimmarod does not report those admins, they expressed the same or even harsher opinions than myself about Zimmarod? With regard to the article Nagorno-Karabakh, the situation there was dealt with in this thread: [91], by imposing article level sanctions that would limit the ability of editors with less than 500 edits to rv the article. Admins made it clear that this was done to stop socking and meatpuppeting in the article: [92], while my activity did not lead to any sanctions. Also, Zimmarod does not mention that back then he 3 times restored the edits of the sock of the banned user, without any consensus at talk. In any case, we are talking about something that took place 1 year ago, and most of accounts that Zimmarod says were supporting him are now banned either from editing the whole Wikipedia, or AA topics. That also demonstrates that those accounts were engaged in disruptive activity. My reporting on Oliveriki was dealt with in the appropriate report, where I was warned, so I do not understand what the point is in repeatedly filing enforcement reports on issues that have already been reviewed? If Zimmarod thinks that the edit warring in Nagorno-Karabakh 1 year ago or me filing a report on Oliveriki were not dealt with properly, he needs to file an Arbitration enforcement action appeal and contest the decisions of the admins. Grandmaster 19:44, 19 February 2013 (UTC) Also, I consider accusations of vandalism to be a personal attack, because there's a clear definition of what vandalism is, and my actions 1 year ago did not fit that definition, and admins believed that it was "not appropriate in such a contested article to add so much content in a single edit without discussion, and that the additions need to be discussed section by section by the parties concerned so that outstanding issues can be properly addressed". So clearly the disruption was caused by accounts that tried to restore the edits of the banned editor and mass puppeter, and not by those who tried to get them to discuss and reach consensus first. So I believe admins also need to look into bad faith assumptions and personal attacks by the editor who filed this report. Grandmaster 19:59, 19 February 2013 (UTC) In response to Zimmarod. Golbez filed this SPI request: [93], where he described in much detail what was going on in the article about Nagorno-Karabakh. And since you raised here that old story, the edit warring on NK was started by Vandorenfm (talk · contribs) and Gorzaim (talk · contribs), who were banned as socks on 15 and 18 September 2011. And then it was picked up by a group of accounts that were created around the same time in October-November 2011.
I’m just presenting the facts here, and letting others judge. But the question is, what are the odds that a group of unrelated people could create those accounts and start editing the same page in order to restore the edits of sock accounts of a banned user? It is also of interest that those accounts appear after long absence to support each other, like it was in Shusha recently. Sometimes they are joined by older accounts, which also demonstrate only sporadic activity. Just an example, Zimmarod appeared on 13 December 2012 to support Sprutt at AE: [94] But Zimmarod's last edit prior to that was on 8 October 2012, i.e. he was absent for more than 2 months. So did 517design, who was absent since 28 October 2012, but who appeared on 14 December 2012 to support Sprutt at AE: [95] How did these users become aware of that AE report? We may consider these facts to be just coincidences, but aren't there too many such coincidences? Grandmaster 00:12, 22 February 2013 (UTC) Comments by others about the request concerning GrandmasterComments by The Devil's AdvocateI once more call for a WP:BOOMERANG on Zimmarod. Talk of "vandalism" and "stalking" is completely beyond the pale and does not match the facts by any measure. Honestly, I feel Sandstein's warning about filing reports against Oliveriki was misguided given the level of disruption created by that account in so few edits. Action against Grandmaster on the basis of Zimmarod's report, even if Zimmarod is sanctioned, would be a mistake, in my opinion.--The Devil's Advocate tlk. cntrb. 06:00, 19 February 2013 (UTC) Result concerning Grandmaster
Most of these diffs either look very old or concern conduct which has already been reviewed. Linking to an article history page is not a very helpful method of demonstrating "edit warring". Which particular edits on that page in your view constitute evidence of edit warring? Gatoclass (talk) 02:17, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
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Sprutt
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Request concerning Sprutt
User:Sprutt was banned indefinitely from the topic of Armenia-Azerbaijan and related ethnic conflicts. Despite this, he removes information from the article which mentions the support of the Armenian organization for encouraging separatist movements in Azerbaijan.
Discussion concerning SpruttStatement by SpruttArmenia Fund is a charity and has nothing to do with Armenia-Azerbaijan topic in Wikipedia. Sprutt (talk) 15:47, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
Comments by others about the request concerning Sprutt
I honestly find it downright amusing that Konullu would write that he didn't "want to paraphrase that sentence assuming that it will be deleted claiming that it is my 'own work' and I might be accused for bad faith." This is exactly what we encourage editors to do: to paraphrase, not copy and paste and pass the work off as your own. Konullu's edits place such obvious undue emphasis on the negative aspects of the Armenia Fund that it's possible that it didn't quite matter to him so long as he thought the content of the edits spoke for itself. To add this text without placing it in quotation marks is not only plagiarism but, as the administrators below have noted might be construed to be an endorsement of Wikipedia's views.--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 03:31, 22 February 2013 (UTC) Result concerning Sprutt
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Konullu
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Request concerning Konullu
Konullu has been a Turkish/Azeri POV pusher with a severe case of battleground mentality and a long history of disruption on Armenian-Azeri/Turkish-related topics. He has been consistently engaging in tendentious editing, edit-warring, and several other forms of disruption, documented below.
I would first like to point out that Konullu is under a Additional concerns: [112] Tried to manipulate E4024, a user who is banned due to the very same accusations which has brought me here, to POV tag the Armenian National Congress (1917) article. This was an article which he has sent to AfD before. Just for reference: E4024 has POV tagged this article 3 times already through edit warring ([113][114][115]) He has copied and pasted large sections of "Armenian Genocide" denial in 6 Armenian related articles:
I propose that he be banned from all topics relating to Turkey, Azerbaijan and Armenians, per
Discussion concerning KonulluStatement by KonulluLet me answer one by one: 1. I reverted article Justice for Khojaly, because it was completely cleared and redirected to Khojaly Massacre by User:Someguy1221 without any discussion on talk page. According to WP guidelines proper way:
As there was no discussion, nomination and consensus, I reverted back the article to the previous version. 2. It is not called tag-bombing. It is clarifying the statements and sources. I put citation needed template in that article and explained why citations are needed. This is not against the statements. If I didn't agree with those statements and had facts opposing these facts, I could remove them. I wanted the improvements in the article and encourage editors to provide sources, no bad faith at all. 3. I raised Mount Ararat issue on Wikiproject and got clarification. It was also discussed on my talk page and solved long ago. Conclusion was that my coordinate edits, albeit mistaken, were made in good faith. 4. I didn't manipulate User:E4024. If I wanted, I could do it via personal message, not on talk page. I just wanted to help him to follow the rules on WP. Generally, I am trying to be helpful to other users and give some recommendations in case I see that they might need my advice. 5. I put Genocide denials by Armenians section into some articles with verifiable reference and I don't see anything wrong here. There is article Armenian Genocide denial, category Category:Armenian Genocide deniers . The information I put in the article was not mine, it was from Vahan Cardashian who was originally Armenian. I just wanted to include verifiable information about certain views that exist within the Armenian community.
6. I have already answered your concerns regarding the JFK article on its talk page and you answered that "I am not willing to work on an article". Therefore I do not understand why you wrote after that here "I have raised these concerns to him in the Talk Page but to no avail". If you think that the content of the article needs improvements, go ahead according to Wikipedia:Dispute resolution. I have already encouraged you and others on talk page. Some users have already improved that article, changed some wordings, deleted sentences, etc. 7. AfD for Armenian Congress of Eastern Armenians was not disruptive move at all. I would like to recall that after this AfD request WikiUsers started to discuss this congress and found out that Armenian Congress of Eastern Armenians and Armenian National Congress (1917) are all the same and WikiUsers redirected / merged all of them to the one article.
8. I was warned for my edits on the article about Armenia Fund, it is not correct to bring this here again. No one receives punishment twice for the same thing. I am ready to provide any clarification if needed. Thanks. Best, Konullu (talk) 23:44, 25 February 2013 (UTC) Comments by others about the request concerning KonulluStatement by FolantinKonullu is a prime example of a blatant POV-pusher. He is an Azerbaijani nationalist whose chief purpose here is to use Wikipedia as a battlefield to fight Armenians (over the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict, inevitably).
His grudge against Armenians is evident from his edits to the article WP:BLPCRIME. On a related article, he logged out so he could re-add the person in question's name back in January, again in violation of BLP.[129]
He was disruptive at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Armenian Congress of Eastern Armenians. The closing admin, Future Perfect at Sunrise (talk · contribs) found evidence of "tendentious and sock editing" [130]. He continues to disrupt the resulting article, Armenian National Congress (1917), with bad faith tagbombing [131] (if anything, the article is overreferenced). He's just canvassed E4024 (talk · contribs), who is currently blocked under ARBAA2, to help him meat puppet there by adding NPOV tags[132]. I am still awaiting the results of an SPI I filed on Konullu almost two weeks ago [133]. There is clear WP:DUCK evidence he has engaged in abusive sock puppetry at AfDs and elsewhere. He regularly edits logged-out to evade ARBAA2 sanctions.
This guy can barely speak English. He contributes nothing to Wikipedia except racial warring. He does his best to make Transcaucasian topics an immensely frustrating area for neutral users to edit. Why do we need him? A solid ban is in order. -- Folantin (talk) 10:52, 26 February 2013 (UTC) ]
Result concerning Konullu
Indef topic-ban seems quite appropriate to me here. Will impose one if nobody objects. Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:21, 26 February 2013 (UTC) |