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Christian Lyrics
- Christian Lyrics (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
other than the obvious 'it's about jesus' nature of christian lyrics I don't see any need for a seperate article; surely that is fairly obvious for a phrase with 'christian' and 'lyrics' in the title. The references seem more 'look, christians make music, it is true!' than 'here is evidence of the noticeable differences between christian lyrics and everything else, and here are some reliable academic sources which have identified and examined such things'. Ironholds (talk) 05:38, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Dear Mr big I - Holds, some of us still believe in life here after ! Christian devotionals have been written down for centuries past. Christian worship can be dated back to even as far as Adam. and some of us are assured he was worshiping the GoD of Creation. Music although left in the hands of the former lucifer now the d evil is running out of time, what ever few minutes we might have left here on this ever changing planet leaves me no choice but to voice the lyrical content of a hopeful heart. You see sir I am 45 yrs in the making and time is running short. This site (Wikipedia) I believe was designed for the many as an inspiration of both Wisdom & knowledge, why do some of the many divide the two Christian lyrics are the very first words to come out of what many might believe we were created for. The Supremacy of Love 1 If I speak in the languages of humans and angels but have no love, I have become a reverberating gong or a clashing cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can understand all secrets and every form of knowledge, and if I have absolute faith so as to move mountains but have no love, I am nothing. 3 Even if I give away everything that I have and sacrifice myself,[a] but have no love, I gain nothing.1 Corinthians 13 >> International Standard Version ... There's some Christian Lyrics... Dear wiki's I don't mean to be brash... Its just every time a Christian site goes up Its targeted and thrown to the lions ! what ever happened to God Bless America. Isn't anyone just a little scared !!!! or are some just waiting for the long cold sleep ................................................................ This is a beautiful site... (User talk:intelligentlove) 06:46, 27 January 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Praiseandworship (talk • contribs) [reply]
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The result was merge (non-admin closure). —Mythdon (talk • contribs) 22:31, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Bartholomew Allerton
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Article on a person which does not assert notability. While it has a few sources, the claims made are not notable. He wasn't a pilgrim leader or anything notable.
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The result was Keep. Eluchil404 (talk) 01:02, 2 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Gabriella Fox
- Gabriella Fox (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
No ) 23:48, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
Although the article needs cleaning up, it now has the
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- Delete per nom. twirligigLeave one! ⋄ Check me out! 03:34, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Deleteper nom. Dismas|(talk) 20:48, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]- Keep as a stub for this up and coming actressEsasus (talk) 21:00, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: Just a note that the "up and coming actress" is already retired. Heh. Morbidthoughts (talk) 21:47, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Passes WP:PORNBIO per award nom. Has also had coverage here, here, here, here, here, here and here. Epbr123 (talk) 01:18, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom. Already retired, never notable.Valrith (talk) 02:00, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. — Aitias // discussion 14:26, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The Beast (Bloodlust Comics)
- The Beast (Bloodlust Comics) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
No assertion of notability, no sources. Google searching for "the beast" + "bloodlust comics" does not yield any reliable sources. See also The Dark Wielder, which I have also nominated for deletion (the AFD discussion is right below this one). This article was created by the same editor. Amazinglarry (talk) 23:47, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as hoax. Most of the dates that this comic was supposed to be relaeased haven't happened yet. Edward321 (talk) 00:16, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as likely hoax per above. coccyx bloccyx(toccyx) 00:37, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as either a hoax or as inappropriate self-promotional advertising Esasus (talk) 21:12, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per others. Doctorfluffy (robe and wizard hat) 20:54, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. — Aitias // discussion 01:33, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The Dark Wielder
- The Dark Wielder (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
Non-notable comic book character, recreation of a previously deleted article. No new sources have been added since the last AFD (the article still has no sources at all) and there is no assertion of notability. Amazinglarry (talk) 23:39, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete and Salt While this version doesn't list fictional release dates like the previous version, there's no evidence it exists. Considering the numerous other hoax articles (deleted in the last AfD) and the recreation of this one, I also think salting is neccessary. Edward321 (talk) 00:23, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as either nont notable or as a hoax - it failed my "google search" test Esasus (talk) 21:16, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Any reason speedy G4 doesn't apply? Doctorfluffy (robe and wizard hat) 20:56, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. — Aitias // discussion 14:30, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The Matrix Philosophy
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An original work about The Matrix. - 7-bubёn >t 23:30, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete: No references provided. I am eating Ramen (talk) 23:32, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - OR, unreferenced. andy (talk) 23:35, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete: Fails ]
- Delete perr nom. coccyx bloccyx(toccyx) 00:37, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - Fails ]
- It's ironic that an article about the matrix would fail ]
- I guess you deserve at least LOL for that :) The JPStalk to me 20:53, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- It's ironic that an article about the matrix would fail ]
- Redirect to Influences and interpretations of The Matrix#Philosophy_and_psychoanalysis. JulesH (talk) 09:03, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Ditto Spinach Monster (talk) 18:06, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per Tiptoey (well spotted!) AlexTiefling (talk) 13:50, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as not notable or as a hoax or as no context or for lack of content or for ....... Esasus (talk) 21:19, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per others. Doctorfluffy (robe and wizard hat) 20:57, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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S.T.O.R.M.
The result was Speedy delete Anthony Appleyard (talk) 23:50, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- S.T.O.R.M. (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
- No context as to what this article is about no sources, not even sure if it is a hoax article BigDuncTalk 23:06, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete: Purely shit, and no references provided. I am eating Ramen (talk) 23:36, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy delete I consider that to be an attack page ArcAngel (talk) 23:40, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was No Consensus to delete. Eluchil404 (talk) 01:05, 2 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Anthony Coffey
- Anthony Coffey (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
Delete: Author of a few Beanie Baby coloring books. Has been tagged with "notable", and appears to fail
- Strong delete fails ]
- Delete - no reliables sources writing about this artist. References provided do not establish notability. And based on the username of the editor who created the article, this is likely an ]
- Keep - New References were added. Contributions for this article were provided by different users. -- Tanton2008 (talk) 19:07, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: At the moment, 6 of the 8 references are ISBN's for the Beanie Baby coloring books. One reference is for the "National Watercolor Society-Associate Members", and the last is too AJC's own website, which is not quite a ]
- Keep - it is a stub and will (hopefully) be expanded. Esasus (talk) 21:23, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: The stub was modified, added new information and new references.Tanton2008 (talk) 18:05, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - It still doesn't satisfy notability requirements. There are still no independant third-party sources (such as news sites) that can confirm why this person is famous. Plus there are POV issues with the wording, AND an unsourced claim about the person donating some portraits to a museum. ArcAngel (talk) 19:23, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - The museum confirmed about the artworks and donation. Boone, NC)published two articles about the artist between 1995-2000. Looking for those references. Tanton2008 (talk)20:04, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: Reliable sources were added. Now the stub contains 10 references.Tanton2008 (talk) 23:21, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 02:36, 2 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Mega planning
- Mega planning (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
Essay by one of the chief researchers in this academic area. Clearly needs heavy work to become an encyclopedia article but is it notable. — RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 22:49, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong delete essay ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:30, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as a combination of a ]
- Delete - Lacks inline refefences - "Mega Planning" sounds like a self-coined phrase. Self-promotion? Esasus (talk) 21:30, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong retain. Mega planning is gaining significant influence in the national security planning community for its ability to contextualize whole-of-government approaches to intervention in terms of measurable, culturally-generalizable objectives by which such intervention is expected to improve the lives of the people and societies it will touch. It is also related to the double- and triple-bottom-line approaches that have gained currency in global business. In my judgment, the article is strong--although I will need to propose an edit due to an error in its use of "operational" vs. strategic or tactical planning, which often occurs in the related scholarship 198.7.238.40 (talk) 19:56, 28 January 2009 (UTC) Dr. Jim Ellsworth, Professor, U.S. Naval War College (copied from talk page by Stifle)[reply]
- There are lots of buzzwords there, but little reference to Wikipedia policy and guidelines. This AFD discussion deals in the applicability of Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, in particular our with sources, that someone has already documented all of this, and come to the conclusions that the article does, outside of Wikipedia. Uncle G (talk) 07:14, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- There are lots of buzzwords there, but little reference to Wikipedia policy and guidelines. This AFD discussion deals in the applicability of Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, in particular our
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The result was delete. — Aitias // discussion 01:36, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
List of Torah periodicals
- List of Torah periodicals (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
Confusing article. Purports to be a list of periodicals of some sort, but none of these periodicals have received significant coverage in reliable sources. According to the general notability guidelines and the essay on media notability, this appears to be a clear Delete. Enigmamsg 22:41, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete: Un-notable hoax. I am eating Ramen (talk) 23:37, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment It's written by a longtime editor, so hoax accusations are unwarranted. Generally, the main sign of a hoax is the single-purpose contributor who expects to be banned, and this person has been here awhile. Still, what's a Torah periodical? I know what the Torah is, and I know what a periodical is, but what's that mean? Mandsford (talk) 02:32, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete The article currently lacks content. I would change my position if someone added proper data and referencing. talk) 00:37, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete As author has indicated they are okay with deletion in edit summary. Might have potential, but unless someone wants to work on it it's not suitable for inclusion. ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:32, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- comment apparently means, as I suspect it tends to mean in this context, periodicals about religion written from the standpoint of Orthodox Judaism, but a clear definition of scope is needed--and an attempt to write articles on the titles listed. DGG (talk) 05:32, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. May not be a hoax, but it looks like it's been started and abandoned. talk) 09:32, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - no context or content Esasus (talk) 21:31, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - At 1st glance this seems to be a start of an article under construction, in which case I would hold off to allow time for context to be provided. But the history indicates that the article has been languishing for quite a while with no content, so unless some suitable content is added quickly, deletion seems appropriate. Rlendog (talk) 22:54, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 02:35, 2 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Ava Santana
- Ava Santana (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
Bit actress, no evidence of meeting
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- Strong delete Playing Girl #2 does not meet guidelines for inclusion. ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:33, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Question about this woman of many names. Has anyone checked into all her other AKAs for notability? She is also Kathryn Elizabeth Knighten, Kathryn E. Knighten, Katie Knighten, and Ava Knight Santana. Just asking. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 03:52, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Don't Delete Has anyone actually looked at her IMDB page and seen that she has many other credits other than girl # 2. Does every Actor start off getting starring roles? She seems to be a good actress and has actually been in many credited films with pretty good performances. Why delete her page because she has played girl #2 in her past? She has been in many films having bigger roles since then. I believe this to be an unfair assumption and judgement of a person who has a career that is not yet notable according to your standards. Lots of people actually enjoy Ava Santana's performances. I vote to keep her page up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Flowerlily (talk • contribs) 06:12, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - fails to meet WP:ENTERTAINER, and as for coverage about her, the there is only the UGO article for top 50 under 25. -- Whpq (talk) 17:47, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Keep - this young actress already has 15 film credits (according to IMDB.com), and that is in just 4 years of acting. Keep as stub article - it will grow. Esasus (talk) 21:37, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong keep as per esasus. I find it interesting that the NYT has a page on her,[1] but wikipedians think we shouldn't have a page on her. talk) 01:37, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - the page form the NY Times is a directory entry for their online site. It is content fed from All Movie Guide, and the inclusion criteria is similar to IMDB which is every person who ever has had a credit in a film gets listed. If you actually read the entry, you will find that it is almost content-free.-- Whpq (talk) 05:39, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Indeed. Here is her biography page: [2]. After the article is deleted we will have the same content as they do... ie. nada. ChildofMidnight (talk) 06:39, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- well, it's meant to be a link to her bio at All Movie Guide, and the reason it's blank is because there isn't one, as I confirmed by searching there directly. DGG (talk) 20:46, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete: no independent 3rd party notability talk) 06:25, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Tentative Delete pending the answer of the above question by Schmidt,. —Subverted (talk • contribs) 12:56, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Redirect to Ace Combat 5: The Unsung War; merge at editorial discretion. Eluchil404 (talk) 01:09, 2 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Circum-Pacific War
- Circum-Pacific War (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
A piece from the Ace Combat Universe. A huge number of pages related to the game was deleted/merged/redirected due to lack of independent real-life sources. This article deserves the same fate for the same reasons. - 7-bubёn >t 22:25, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete Non-notable, game universe event talk) 22:55, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong delete as this isn't in the real world. ArcAngel (talk) 23:47, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- An article about a fictional world can still exist if there is enough reliable sources to determine its notability, like talk) 00:02, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- An article about a fictional world can still exist if there is enough reliable sources to determine its notability, like
- Redirect to Ace Combat 5: The Unsung War, the game which said event takes place. I swear, this series is plagued with article writers who don't know the meaning of the word "context". Nifboy (talk) 04:24, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge into Ace Combat Esasus (talk) 21:41, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge (preferably) or Redirect to one of the Ace Combat articles. talk) 16:35, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom Nick-D (talk) 01:49, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. MBisanz talk 02:36, 2 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
2009 Coachella Valley Music and Arts Festival
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- Delete for now, however allow recreation without requiring a deletion review once the event is in progress/has happened. --]
- Keep or Merge to Coachella Valley Music and Arts Festival. It's short sourced and accurate. Clearly a notable festival. There's nothing speculative in the article, it just says when it's scheduled to happen and can be expanded as
things firm upthere is more coverage. ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:36, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply] - Keep. Nominator is using a piece of policy as an argumentation for delete, when the policy itself explicitly argues that such an article should be retained! Per WP:CRYSTAL's requirements, preparation for this event has started, it is a notable event, and is almost certainly going to occur. Warren -talk- 17:50, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I strongly disagree that the policy supports keeping a single sentence article for a music festival that is months away. While evolving articles are of course expected, the encyclopedia isn't a place where one-liner placeholder articles are rational or beneficial. If it's so far ahead of the event that not even a firm musical line up can be added, then it's too early. At best, it should be merged with the main Coachella article. Steven Walling (talk) 19:18, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- And then the article will be recreated within weeks. Why even waste our time deleting it when we know the article is going to exist and its notability will not be in question? Please READ WHAT THE POLICY ACTUALLY SAYS, as you are misinterpreting it. WP:CRYSTALis absolutely clear about the fact that articles like this may exist. It says, A) "The subject matter must be of sufficiently wide interest that it would merit an article if the event had already occurred." -- which, considering that we have NINE OTHER ARTICLES in exactly the same form, suggests that a tenth one is going to also pass our notability requirements. and, B) "Individual scheduled or expected future events should only be included if the event is notable and almost certain to take place." -- the 2009 Coachella festival certainly meets both these criteria. and, C) "Wikipedia is not a collection of unverifiable speculation." ... is it unverifiable speculation that the 2009 Coachella festival is going to happen? No -- there is a reliable secondary source in the article (a popular music magazine) that backs up the statements made by the article.
- Trying to claim that this article doesn't merit inclusion because of WP:CRYSTAL is a specious, invalid argument that misrepresents both the letter and intent of the policy. Either withdraw the nomination, or find another reason for deleting the article. Warren -talk- 00:11, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Calm down with the capslock there, cowboy. It's a deletion discussion, not a shouting match. It's not a specious argument to say that an article for an event written so far in advance that it cannot be expanded more than single sentence is premature. I'm not saying we should never have an article for Coachella 2009. I'm saying that it's too early, so early in fact, that it's not possible to verify basic details that should be in the article. If it can't be verified, then it's time to hold off until it can be. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a repository for single-sentence placeholder adverts for music festivals. Steven Walling (talk) 04:29, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm not a cowboy, but I do get annoyed with having to tell experienced administrators to fully read policy documents. It shouldn't be necessary, but from time to time, it is. And yes, I'm well familiar what the encyclopedia is -- I've been telling people "Wikipedia is an encyclopedia" for longer than you've had an account. Chances are pretty excellent that if I can walk you through a proper reading of WP:CRYSTAL, I don't need you to respond by telling that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. It's a bit offensive.
- I'm not a cowboy, but I do get annoyed with having to tell experienced administrators to fully read policy documents. It shouldn't be necessary, but from time to time, it is. And yes, I'm well familiar what the encyclopedia is -- I've been telling people "Wikipedia is an encyclopedia" for longer than you've had an account. Chances are pretty excellent that if I can walk you through a proper reading of
- And then the article will be recreated within weeks. Why even waste our time deleting it when we know the article is going to exist and its notability will not be in question? Please READ WHAT THE POLICY ACTUALLY SAYS, as you are misinterpreting it.
- Anyways, given that you haven't actually refuted any of the points I've made regarding what WP:CRYSTAL actually says; given that you haven't actually demonstrated that the information cannot be verified (there is a reliable secondary source right in the article, and more are readily available... USA Today had an article on Coachella 2009 just a few days ago); and given that you haven't actually demonstrated that the topic isn't notable... what's left? If it's down to "delete it because it reads like advertising"... well, how exactly? It's a one-sentence article that says where and when the event will take place -- that's information, not advertising. More can and should be written, but nobody's gotten around to it yet. That's why we have {{music-festival-stub}} (which is used on hundreds of articles). This encourages the writing of articles that we ought to have. There have already been about 125 edits to the article, from a variety of IPs, so clearly it's a topic people are coming to the encyclopedia to see. Warren -talk- 08:06, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- You seem to think that WP:CRYSTAL is the only thing that I and others have mentioned here. It's not. You and I clearly disagree about what the policy means, so I'm not going to argue about that other than to restate that I think it clearly supports not having a premature article. But other than CRYSTAL, you might try using a little basic common sense. Our most basic requirement is that an article be verifiable, as you know. Just because we can safely assume that it's going to happen someday doesn't mean it's a good idea to have an article on it. We can also safely assume that Coachella 2010 is going to happen too, but it's in the exact same position as this article: too early to verify anything other than mere existence. That's not just an inappropriate article. It's totally and completely obvious if you just look at the subject and the content we have - no policy argumentation needed. Steven Walling (talk) 08:16, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Anyways, given that you haven't actually refuted any of the points I've made regarding what
- Strong Delete - the article is nothing more than a one line advertisement for an upcoming event. Esasus (talk) 21:43, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Keep - Lineup information is out. This festival is a go. -- Chupon (talk) 18:30, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Keep - The festival lineup is released and confirmed. This AfD should be closed and the article should be kept. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Izakage (talk • contribs) 03:40, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep – As per above. —Subverted (talk • contribs) 12:58, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Keep - From the WP:NOTpage:
Individual scheduled or expected future events should only be included if the event is notable and almost certain to take place. If preparation for the event is not already in progress, speculation about it must be well documented. Examples of appropriate topics include the 2010 U.S. Senate elections and 2016 Summer Olympics. There is a line up and the event is notable. --Kimberly M. (talk) 21:37, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy delete. A7. kurykh 03:11, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Nanna Fondo
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Seems to be a non-notable actress. IMDB page does not list anything that would be considered
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- Speedy delete - no assertion of notability, no evidence of it. I've tagged the page per CSD A7 andy (talk) 23:42, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. MBisanz talk 02:36, 2 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Cromer Street
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Non-notable London street.
Delete Not notable and no references either.
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- Delete See talk) 01:11, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Note Above user is the nominator. --Oakshade (talk) 02:19, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Regarding that WP:STREET essay (not even a proposed guideline) first of all, the London metropolitan area has over 13 million people, so that means 260. London is the capitol of the UK and historically the WP:NOTABILITY as this one does, an arbitrary "formula" as stipulated in WP:STREET is irrelevant.--Oakshade (talk) 02:19, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- The relative importance of the city is irrelevant as far as WP:STREET is concerned. However, a highly notable city is likely to have streets and roads which have their own intrinsic notability, something specifically mentioned in WP:STREET as being a separate criterion (and as such exactly as you say in your last sentence - it passes notability, and therefore is not subject to the stipulations of one street per 50,000 people). Cromer Street appears to be one such street, and thus - even though I'm the primary writer of WP:STREET - I agree that this should be kept. BTW, as far as not being even a proposed guideline, that is true, though it is used as a rule of thumb by many editors (the whatlinkshere will show how widely used it is). Many essays are used thus; Geogre's Law is not a guideline either, but it is widely cited at AFD, for example. Grutness...wha? 07:37, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - Is the in-depth subject of secondary sources, thus easily passing the core criteria of WP:NOTABILITY. [3][4][5]. Even a novel was named "The Cromer Street Chronicles"[6]--Oakshade (talk) 02:14, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Notable road. ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:41, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Clearly notable street, with multiple good references in the articles, and additional ones supplied here. The actual books found by Oakshade are particularly telling. Very careless indeed to delete without making even a preliminary search. That numerical guideline is quite clearly ridiculous.-- not to mention the impossibility of finding a way to use it on a particular article. DGG (talk) 05:40, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- lolwhat....er...keep. Trivially easily sourced. WP:STREET is a rule of thumb talking about middling-sized cities and towns. London isn't most places, and most places aren't London. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 11:28, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - what does Jenuk1985 have against Cromer Street? Esasus (talk) 21:46, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. MBisanz talk 02:37, 2 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
B2177 road
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Non notable B road. While some B roads can be notable, I am failing to see any notability in this one!
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- Keep Major road. Can be merged to appropriate road system if that's appropriate ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:39, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete In the UK, M roads are the major ones. Also, this article is nothing more than a prosified map. It tells nothing that can't be gleaned from a map. - Mgm|(talk) 10:52, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Evidently notable. Nomination fails policies ]
- I am failing to see how this article is "Evidently notable", prior to nomination I did some scouting around the internet and cannot find any information to suggest that it is notable. The only "source" the article links to is a map. Please also say how this nomination fails talk) 13:00, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Most A and B class roads originated as turnpikes and many will have a medieval origin. We have articles on many (even most) A-class roads. Whether we should also have them for B roads requires a rather fuller discussion than can conveniently be had on a single AFD. I would not want to take this further to havce articles on every county's C-class roads. This article may indeed be a poor one, but that implies it should be improved, not deleted. Peterkingiron (talk) 12:46, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- While no consensus has been reached on talk) 13:00, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - I'm sure there are notable B-roads, but there's no assertion that this is one. As an aside, the cited sources are nearly 40 years out of date; if a map should be cited, it should be the current 1:50 000 Landranger series - not the One inch edition, which is more appropriate for things like vanished streets and railway lines. AlexTiefling (talk) 13:57, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete or merge into Hampshire, England#Transport. If it isn't notable enough to fit there, then it's not notable enough to have its own article. Fails notability and unless you can get some of that, I say delete now. --Triadian (talk) 21:03, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep An artery that connects several municipalities is notable. Roughly equivalent an American ]
- A UK B road cannot be compared to a US state route, the UK equivalent is likely to be a non primary A road if any at all talk) 00:37, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Many, if not most, American state routes are secondary (ie New Jersey Route 124), but they are considered notable. --Oakshade (talk) 00:49, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to ]
Konstantina Kouneva
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Even if there are some sources talking about this person, she is not notable to have an article. Now, it was once nominated for speedy deletion but the sources referring to her prevented this. This article should be deleted because it lacks notability. Michael X the White (talk) 21:20, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Per what I say above.--Michael X the White (talk) 19:39, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- weak keep/ merge with talk) 22:06, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- Keep or merge No reason to delete this notable information. Fine to merge it to a suitable target. ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:46, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge and redirect This is a clear case of WP:ONEEVENT. The event is noteworthy, but there's not enough material to sustain a biography of her. (Note to author: never mention an age without accompanying date of determination. It will be outdated in a year.) - Mgm|(talk) 10:46, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect
Merge. Seems like just a random incident that happened during the Greek riots, doesn't seem very important. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 13:32, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply] - Delete: interesting stories do not necessarily make for appropriate articles and can burden when merged with other articles.Politis (talk) 14:24, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per ]
- Keep or merge as an important flashpoint for the unrest, although the article should be renamed to focus on the attack if kept per WP:ONEEVENT. Merge would probably be best, with a section about 'attack on...' or something similar, with this title redirected. In particular, there is the matter of major support for her amongst protestors (as opposed to her being one of many victims they collectively support she is singled out) and the description of this as the worst attack of its kind in a half-century. Blood Red Sandman (Talk) (Contribs) 17:25, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge into appropriate article as a "flash point" event Esasus (talk) 22:10, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete The event is not noteworthy, per WP:Notability--Sadbuttrue92 (talk) 13:17, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete As ]
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The result was Keep (NAC) RMHED (talk) 23:52, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
List of prison deaths
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Fails
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- Conditional Keep references must be added, otherwise delete talk) 22:09, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep A list like this would be preferable to a category called "People who have died in prison". As with a category, it's limited to people who are notable enough to have articles on them kept on Wikipedia; the difference is that, unlike a category, it (a) has some further explanation and (b) can be sourced. Within those limitations, I don't think it's unmaintainable. I can't imagine any circumstance where a name would be removed from the list of dead persons. The truth is, a lot of people who get sentenced to life in prison don't die there, simply because nursing home care isn't part of the system. Mandsford (talk) 02:43, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep on the basis of mandsford's argument--with the additional pointy that a great many people with less than life sentences die there. DGG (talk) 05:41, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Conditional Delete - delete deaths that are not referenced (currently all). Esasus (talk) 22:13, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Conditional Keep - with the conditions noted by Mandsford and Esasus. Rlendog (talk) 22:22, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Keep talk) 02:00, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - argument that lifers die in prison is US-centric. Civilised societies attempt reform and release or parole "lifers" at some point. The into to the list could stipulate that the list should include only those who died whilst incarcerated from unnatural causes (other than judicial murder). Albatross2147 (talk) 02:08, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment What are the inclusion criteria for this list? The lede makes it seem that it should only include people who already were famous for other stuff and happened to have died in prison. So would it exclude individuals who are famous for having died in prison? (I'm thinking of people like Zhang Bin and Sun Zhigang, whose deaths in ]
- Strong keep Regardless of the answer to my question above, I think this article has a lot of potential...if the inclusion criteria are straightened out, it has the potential to become a featured list, since it's the sort of list that probably hasn't been compiled in one place ever before. It needs to be defined a bit better, it needs some major formatting cleanup (it would probably be better in a table than a bullet list), and it needs refs for every item in the list (hopefully most of these refs can be gotten from the individuals' articles)...as far as I can tell, that's about all it needs. ]
- Strong keep,This article has a bit of room to grow as politizer said. Perhaps a description of each death could be added. This article should cite its sources...but otherwise its good. It certainly meets ]
- Keep. But consider rewording to "notable" people as fame is subjective and insist every entry has an article. Lists and categories serve different purposes and this is an acceptable list. A more meaty intro lede would also be nice. ]
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Ashida Kim
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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 02:38, 2 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Mark Joseph (writer/producer)
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Bio created by a recent account. External links don't help much. Is he notable? — RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 20:19, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Also most of the references are not from third party reliable sources talk) 22:11, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong KeepThis is a legitimate bio. Please refer to links provided in external links provided on his page(recently updated). Mark Joseph has worked on the sound track for the movie "Passion of the Christ." He has also written 2 books (Rock & Roll Rebellion; Faith, God & Rock-N-Roll). You can check those titles on Amazon for confirmation. What I have mentioned above are just a few notable things he has done. — prpride (Talk | contribs) 27 January 2009 (UTC)
- Delete Spammy piece that promotes someone credited for "marketing" on some projects. Doesn't meet inclusion criteria. ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:53, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Keep - This is an article of an individual with an impressive bio and resume of work in the entertainment business. IMDB confirms the legitimacy of this article (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0912882/) Esasus (talk) 23:03, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak Delete - Does not meet WP:Entertainer. Needs a bit more on the resume to reach notability.ttonyb1 (talk) 01:09, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy delete. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 19:37, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Pavalareru Perunchitthiranaar
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Unencyclopedic Arun athmanathan (talk) 20:08, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Unsourced, reads like a hoax, doesn't establish notable, written like an essay, and its orphaned. --talk) 21:03, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- cleanup? Looks like a copyvio. Reads like a copyvio. Would need massive clean up. I would delete almost all of it and leave a few sentences if they can be sourced on his being chief minister and what not. ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:51, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy Delete - It reads like a copyvio because it is a copyvio. Now tagged. -- Whpq (talk) 18:05, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy delete. A3, lack of sufficient content and unlikely to expand. Mgm|(talk) 10:41, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
4rlz
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A dictionary entry of a neologism with hardly any content--not an article. Jchthys (talk) 20:09, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete for the reasons given in my prod. ("Neologism with no claim in article of meeting WP:Notability. Unlikely to expand beyond a dictionary definition."). But since the prod tag is still in place, I'm wondering why this was brought to AfD?--Fabrictramp | talk to me 20:25, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete Wikipedia is not an a dictionary for slang
- Delete, speedily if possible No asssertion of notability. ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:50, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Wikipedia is not Urban Dictionary. twirligigLeave one! ⋄ Check me out! 04:07, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per above: definition of a slang term. Cliff smith talk 06:46, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete. Eluchil404 (talk) 01:11, 2 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Lucie Lebaz
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Notability in Question. Appears to fail WP:Notability (people).
- Of the links provided, 3 are to Lebaz's business site, one is to a Facebook-type networking page, one doesn't mention Lebaz, and one is to an unsourced section of another Wikipedia article (that also doesn't mention Lebaz. Or graphic design.)
- The article really seems like a press release or an ad. ttonyb1 (talk) 19:57, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. As noted, none of the sources provided qualify as WP:CREATIVE). Google hits are all social and professional networking sites, and are therefore not reliable sources. Dawn Bard (talk) 20:26, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete None of the references demonstrate any notability. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 20:45, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete: Fails ]
- Strong Keep - a quick google search demonstrates that Lucie Lebaz is a significant player in the fashion industry. Esasus (talk) 23:07, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I have done the Google search and I find little to support the prior comment. There are only 36 hits including a number related to the WP entry, her website, and Linkedin/facebook type entries. Only a couple of the rest are related to design and do not provide/support Notability. ttonyb1 (talk) 00:04, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Only graduated in 2005 and not notable yet. Johnbod (talk) 04:04, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete not that strong....Modernist (talk) 00:29, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy delete. A7. kurykh 03:07, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Paulius kulikauskas
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This reads like a personal CV not like an encyclopedic article. DFS454 (talk) 18:58, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete although I would think it would be a candidate for ]
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- Delete: Fails ]
- Speedy delete promotional resume with no assertion of notability to meet guidelines. I hope he has a great career. ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:56, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy redirect. — RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 20:08, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The Lido, Bristol
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Sounds like an advertisement. Perhaps it could be reworded, but it would require deleting about 90% of the content. =O Elm-39 - T/C 18:53, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Rub it outand start again. Remember to include this link.
*Keep and improve - Is the in-depth subject of secondary sources like BBC News and The Guardian. [7][8][9][10]. It's also a listed building. This was nominated for AfD within 2 minutes of its creation without any opportunity for community improvement.[11] --Oakshade (talk) 19:34, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Looks like an AfD to me. User JulesH just nominated it for Speedy after this AfD started. Copy-vio is a valid point, but even as the wording in the nom says, it could be reworded, which it was. I do not subscribe to the "We must kill this article in order to save it" mentality. --Oakshade (talk) 19:46, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy delete copyvio [12] JulesH (talk) 19:35, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect to Clifton Pool and The Victoria Public House. It's the same topic that's already a well-developed article. --Oakshade (talk) 19:49, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. — Aitias // discussion 01:38, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
ADÄMS (author)
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I've tried to clean this up (removed a bunch of unreliable sources or sources that didn't have anything to do with Adams (and the defamatory statements connected to them) and removed weasel words, exaggerated claims, and non-notable material), but what I'm left with is notability being claimed solely on a few articles published on a couple of websites, a couple of walk-on rolls, a song to a local, independent movie, a song for a film that doesn't appear to exist, and law issues. I'm afraid if I keep cleaning it up, I'm going to be left with almost nothing. Also, it appears that his "manager" created and wrote the page as the user name who has done the majority of work here (and has only done work on this page; nowhere else on Wikipedia) is an identical match to the contact name listed on Adams' MySpace. In a nutshell: I do not believe this passes
]- Also, there are two redirects that should be included in this AfD: Mike Adams (writer) and ADÄMS (writer). --132 19:01, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Also, the page has been deleted twice before under another article name: MIKE ADAMS (Indiana Author). Found through WP:COI once before. This new article was created less than a day after the old one was deleted. --132 19:07, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete. There is little evidence of notability in the links provided, and it definitely seems like an ad. A news article about being arrested is irrelevant. Interviews and press releases don't carry much weight either, or simple proof that he has released some music. It needs more than one independent review. Aymatth2 (talk) 21:41, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Insufficient notability. Has not received substantial coverage for any of the pursuits mentioned in the intro. ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:00, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as either a hoax or as an unverifiable article or as not notable. Esasus (talk) 23:13, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. No notability suggested by article material Mrathel (talk) 06:10, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. — Aitias // discussion 21:08, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Go DJ!
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Non-notable unreleased album with little media coverage of substance. Two singles have been released but it's been so long, it's likely that one or both songs won't even appear on the album when and if it is actually released. Fails
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- Delete - Fails talk) 20:28, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete No sources, WP:CRYSTAL. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 20:28, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete: per ]
- Delete: - talk) 22:41, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per all the reasons above. ArcAngel (talk) 23:53, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, fails notability per ]
- Delete per WP:CRYSTAL and lack of proper sources. coccyx bloccyx(toccyx) 00:40, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - this is an article on an, as of yet, non-existing album. Esasus (talk) 23:16, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. — Aitias // discussion 14:36, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Heather Pickett
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Contested PROD. Non-notable. Article makes claims of notability, however a google search on her name and the name of her band returns just 8 hits, only one of which is about this subject. roleplayer 18:05, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- NOTE: The album One Life To Live(album) was created earlier today, at about the same time the afd tag was removed from this article by the same anon IP. -- roleplayer 22:53, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Can't find any one criterion in WP:MUSICBIO that she satisfies. Phrases such as "Hopefully you will hear more of them in the future" and "Heather's career in music is having a difficult time to start" are a good indication that she may not, as yet, be notable in a Wiki sense. Karenjc 18:54, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete. As above, no evidence of notability. Dawn Bard (talk) 21:33, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete not notable and doesn't include any references either talk) 22:15, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete for failing ]
- Delete - Not Notable. Billboard.com shows nothing for her or her album. Esasus (talk) 23:21, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. MBisanz talk 02:38, 2 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The French Democracy
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Procedural nomination to fix the process started by an anonymous user. I happen to disagree with the nomination, however, and am recommending a keep based on non-trivial coverage of this machinima film by The Washington Post, MTV.com, Wired, and a book published by MIT Press (PDF). — TKD::Talk 18:01, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- More sources: BusinessWeek, USA Today. — TKD::Talk 18:31, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete for gods sake, there are many notable machinima, such as War Of The Servers (http://litfusefilms.com/movies/waroftheservers/) that dont have an article. They have appeared on many websites. 80.44.254.152 (talk) 19:07, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- That other notable machinima do not YET have their own articles is no reason to deny access to this one. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 07:05, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- If you know of multiple notable enough for their own articles. There are certainly gaps in the coverage currently. (Keep in mind, though, that many sites accept video uploads rather freely, so mere presence or listing is not an indicator of independent coverage per se.) But, as JulesH mentioned, we don't judge the merits of an article on the basis of other articles, because Wikipedia is a work in progress, and uneven progress at that. — TKD::Talk 20:45, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per nom (!?). Clearly a notable machinima; if others are notable and don't have articles, we should create those articles, rather than using it as a reason to delete this one. JulesH (talk) 19:40, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
KEEP because it is notable, just needs more sources cited? Wilkos (talk) 19:48, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Yeah, I'll see what I can do sometime soon about getting the article to a respectable non-stub state. — TKD::Talk 20:45, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete Not notable talk) 22:17, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep: Passes ]
- Keep - Sources are reliable, and substantial. -- Whpq (talk) 18:09, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - I do not understand how this short-film is notable. It is not found in IMDB. It has won no awards (not even nominated). Perhaps the article could be saved if merged into The Movies article. Esasus (talk) 23:26, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep IMDB does not confer notability. Plenty of Reliable Sources have. No need to delete as it is now a matter of ]
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- Keep The sources provided by the nominator established the notability of the film. --J.Mundo (talk) 02:15, 2 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to ]
Baadshah Khan
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Delete. For reasons given by nominator. I tried to find sources on Google (not very hard) and only found one item that mentioned in passing that he is a well known fashion choreographer. Aymatth2 (talk) 21:54, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Not notable, fails talk) 22:19, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect. I don't know about this guy but "the" Badshah Khan is Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan. So this page should be redirected to him, and if this choreographer article is retained, it should be moved and linked to from a disambig page. Tintin 00:47, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- But this one has two a's in his first name. ]
- Delete article and then redirect per Tintin. ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:58, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - either as a hoax or as not notable or as an unverifiable article Esasus (talk) 23:32, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was merge to Hans Multhopp. MBisanz talk 02:39, 2 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Checkers chess
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Chess variant with no real notability. Mentioned in a book but does that really make it notable. Notability tagged since Oct 07. Spiesr (talk) 17:47, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete
- Unfortunately, there are Wikipedia editors who think literally, who think anything even mentioned in any encyclopedia of chess variants by Pritchard must be a solid gold reference. Notably, this was all due to the arbitrary judgment of one very old man (recently, deceased) who did not know how to use a computer. Some old games that are non-notable by modern standards and rarely played by anyone were known of by the few chess variant enthusiasts who existed in the era predating the explosion in the number of games invented, the internet, fast computers and multi-variant programs. I hope this non-notable game will be deleted but brace for the same mindless objections you see to other non-notable chess variants being deleted. By the way, said section is chock full of junk- some of it likely placed anonymously by the game inventors. -DavidWatersHC —Preceding undated comment was added at 20:30, 27 January 2009 (UTC).[reply]
- Speedy merge No reason to lose article history or contents (brief as they are). There is already an article on the author of this game variant and it can be included there. ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:02, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment, oh wow, I created this? I really wish I knew where I got the original content from since I was cleaning up from somewhere. I'd merge unless more content can be found. gren グレン 03:50, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as an unnotable chess variant, and being confused with a newer also unnotable chess variant that uses the same name. 76.66.198.171 (talk) 04:37, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy merge I agree with the proposal to merge into the article on the author of this variant. In fact the article mentions two authors (apparently of unrelated variants), both of them have their own page so the contents of this one could be split between them - adding details about what is distinctive to each author's variant. (And maybe on eahc author's page say "see also (other author)" in the appropriate place.) Lessthanideal (talk) 16:33, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge into chess variant Esasus (talk) 23:33, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge into Hans Multhopp SyG (talk) 23:18, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was merge to List of comic book superpowers#Cold and ice manipulation. MBisanz talk 02:39, 2 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Cryokinesis
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As I said in my Prod rationale, it's a subject with limited coverage (if any) in reliable sources. It doesn't warrant an entry just for its fictional uses. Frankly, I can't even tell if it's about a para-/pseduo-science subject in the real world or about its fictional usage in Charmed, so it's also lacking in context. —C.Fred (talk) 17:48, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- comment - might ]
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- redirect- per Artw's logic. The subject matter can be handled there without much fuss. Umbralcorax (talk) 19:05, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- redir, per Artw. We're talking about a superpower dealing with ice manipulation, why not put it there? Valley2city‽ 20:09, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect per Artw's suggestion. --talk) 20:43, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep It appears to be a useful article, needs expanding though. talk) 22:21, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect per Artw. ArcAngel (talk) 23:59, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep or Merge into Psychokinesis - useful and informative article that needs additional work. Do not redirect to to List of comic book superpowers#Cold and ice manipulation as this ability is not, theoretically, limited to the fictional world of comic book superheroes. Esasus (talk) 23:38, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- That's a fair point, perhaps the list article should be renamed? Artw (talk) 18:30, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Transwiki the dicdef to Wiktionary. Agree with a redirect to List of comic book superpowers. Hiding T 13:26, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy delete. G3, vandalism Mgm|(talk) 10:36, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Casimir cones
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Probably a hoax. A Google search turns 0 (zero) results for "Casimir cone"
in the singular, showing the results of the search for Casimir cone
without quotes; these are pages which just happen to mention "Casimir" and "cone" in the same sentence. A search for "Casimir cones"
in the plural turns out only copies of this article and of Thought experiment#Physics. Using Google Scholar, I can't find any result for either the singular or the plural. Also, take a look at the author's user page. Army1987 – Deeds, not words. 17:32, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- Very strong delete. Given the original editor's user page I'm just shy of speedy deleting it as vandalism. Assuming good faith, the article is still unreferenced. —C.Fred (talk) 17:57, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete It's a hoax. Dauto (talk) 18:41, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Probable hoax, with no supporting evidence, or even any meaningful content. Anaxial (talk) 19:14, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Unlikely hoax, but almost certainly original research. JulesH (talk) 19:42, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. One sentence with no sources does not make an article. Aymatth2 (talk) 22:04, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Article seems to be a copy of a particular statement made here. Seems nonsense to me. Delete. JocK (talk) 01:25, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. — Aitias // discussion 01:40, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Richard Torres
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This article is written as an autobiography and possibly an advert, but it may have the potential to be notable. I've looked for sources, and the only real ones I can find are at the subject's website, www.jkdmartialarts.com, which suggests this does not pass
- Delete non-notable. Not finding substantial notability is not inherited). Also, I'll admit I'm not a martial arts expert either, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night! (j/k) ... Baileypalblue (talk) 18:31, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete Spammy advertisement with no independent sources. ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:05, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete nn, vanity. JJL (talk) 20:34, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - he is just an instructor, no assertion of notability Esasus (talk) 23:45, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak delete - if verified, then keep; but this looks otherwise to be a candidate for deletion per nom. Bearian (talk) 15:51, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Speedy delete by DGG, non-admin closure. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 17:02, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Lewis Hart
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The article fails to establish notability of the topic. Jakob.scholbach (talk) 16:43, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy delete - obvious nn bio. --Orange Mike | Talk 16:48, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- This article doesn't need an AFD. FlyingToaster 16:48, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy delete under category A7. No claim of notability and nothing obvious from a web search. Jll (talk) 16:53, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete - brenneman 00:40, 2 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Michael Cohen (ufologist, psychic)
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Michael Cohen is a Psychic and UFOlogist with no apparent
- Delete Indeed has no reliable sources.--EmperorofPeopleEverywhere (talk) 17:16, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Yeah, no reliable sources and doesn't seem notable. --talk) 20:45, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete per failing ]
- Delete no reliable sources. coccyx bloccyx(toccyx) 00:40, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Keep a Google search does infact bring up numerous articles and references to this person and some are arguably reliable, such as coast to coast, unkown country, not possible to list all references: numerous newspapers, he did break a signifant UFO event recently, Is regarded widely as one of Australias leading UFO researchers Starrion1 13:30 29 January 2009 (UTC)
- Comment If reliable sources are integrated into the article as references, there will be no problem passing the AfD, but simply saying that a Google search produces arguably reliable sources is not a valid argument in favour of keeping.--kelapstick (talk) 16:29, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Is notable by all standards Ozipeter
- Comment The two supporters above have only contributed here or on the article in question. This does not invalidate their right to participate here. Peridon (talk) 13:33, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete I have just looked at some of Michael Cohen's predictions for 2009. They remind me a bit of "it'll either rain or go dark before morning". No reliable sources cited in the article. In fact, the 'References' are a little hard to identify. Zoo Magazine? I hardly think interviewing (as I read it) Steve Irwin constitutes notability. (Pre- or post-decease?) A distinct hint of apparent puffery is believed to be present. Peridon (talk) 13:33, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment There seems to be some wrong-headedness on this entry, the issue isnt whether Ufology is notable but whether Michael Cohen is a notable Ufologist-if one looks at the list of Ufologists, most have references no better-As far as Ufologists go Cohen is as notable as most of those with entries and undoubtedly notable with a substantial net presence-he has articles in the Fortean Timesetc: perhaps not regarded as reliable to some here but mainstream as far as Ufology goes. Ozipeter —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ozipeter (talk • contribs) 22:06, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Seems like spam.--Peephole (talk) 22:20, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I'm not saying ufology isn't notable or is rubbish - I've seen a flying object that didn't conform to the possible flight patterns of any 'earthly' craft. I'm not decrying psychic phenomena. I've done psychic research with both positive and negative results. This article says Mr Cohen is a ufologist, and no more about it. As to psychics (and mediums), I find most 'professional' ones to be quacks. Peridon (talk) 22:22, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was nomination withdrawn. NAC. JulesH (talk) 19:43, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
King of Clubs (Whig club)
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I actually don't think this is necessary. However, the article is completely unsourced. This article would either need very good sources or a complete rewrite to justify its content. Elm-39 - T/C 16:28, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Clearly notable club. Sources are readily available (e.g. James Population Malthus: His Life and Times ISBN 0415381134 pp83-84, Penny cyclopaedia 1837 -- which calls it one of "the most successful literary clubs of modern times", Virgin Sydney Smith: A Biography ISBN 0002158906 -- containing information about this club on 7 different pages, although I can't see all the references because it's on limited preview in google books). Article should be fixed by editing in preference to deletion, per ]
- Also, there are references, but there wasn't a {{reflist}} added so they were invisible. I've added one now. JulesH (talk) 17:13, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Ah, I didn't see the numbers, which was probably why I was so quick to click. I hoped this article wouldn't go down so quick. Even so, the sources still need to include the information given in this article, or they're useless; I assume they do (the article creator DID say this was a 5 year research project). Anyway, Keep this article now, close discussion. Elm-39 - T/C 18:58, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Also, there are references, but there wasn't a {{reflist}} added so they were invisible. I've added one now. JulesH (talk) 17:13, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Hello. My information on the King of Clubs is based on a 5-year research project and unlikely to be available elsewhere. I am in the process of inputting references etc and it seems a shame to delete it without giving me, as a relative novice, a chance to make amends! Tell me what you require. Thankyou. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mariakinnaird (talk • contribs) 17:09, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. I'm assuming all the information you're working with is available in sources that are published (or at least available for public inspection)? See WP:OR, two very important policies for wikipedia for an explanation of why this is critical. JulesH (talk) 17:14, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Reply Thanks for your help (above). I have added some references - I fully intended doing this and had no idea my article would be pounced upon so quickly ! All the information is taken from the sources given, available either at the Brit. Lib. or the Bodleian. Mariakinnaird (talk) 17:25, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. I'm assuming all the information you're working with is available in sources that are published (or at least available for public inspection)? See
- Keep Article is sourced and notability has been established for this notable historic club. --J.Mundo (talk) 17:42, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Needs to be speedily withdrawn from this AfD process. Article is criticised for being unnotable - see Jules H above; unsourced - see recent changes and JulesH notes; and needing a "complete rewrite" - obviously not true. There are some well written paragraphs. Please withdraw this proposal its wasting wiki editting time. We could be assisting this author instead of defending an article that is clearly worthy. Victuallers (talk) 18:51, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was withdrawn. 160.39.213.152 (talk) 23:13, 27 January 2009 (UTC) [reply]
Ecourier
Request an admin close as Withdrawn by nominator. Springnuts (talk) 20:40, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Disagree, reliable sources include Economist, Financial Times, The Times & Evening Standard which have all written substantial articles on the Company and are cited/listed. I cannot find any parts which is not NPOV. Previous discussion determined the company to be notable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.105.5.19 (talk) 16:53, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Note this IP address has edited almost exclusively on this article and that on the company's founder: see [[13]]. Springnuts (talk) 17:06, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak keep The press material may be significant enough. I improved the article by removing some of the more outrageous promotional material, such as portraits of the founders. After the article is dealt with, we need to consider the articles for Jay Bregman. This is a typical example of how COI can lead to a very poor article, when possibly a less promotional one would not have been nominated for deletion. DGG (talk) 17:11, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Withdrawn by Nominator - On reflection I was over harsh with this nomination: in my defence I was blinded by the overt peacockery in the article. I will try tidying and de-puffing it. Springnuts (talk) 20:40, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Speedy Delete per
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- Delete If it was real, we would have heard more of it --KrebMarkt 17:07, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 02:40, 2 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Pipe Wrench (cocktail)
- Pipe Wrench (cocktail) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
Unreferenced article about an unremarkable cocktail. Distinct smell of spam in unnecessary multiple mentions of "Triumph Brewing Company" and someone named Adam Fitting (who seems to have been excised from the Triumph article, but not without some difficulty). Prod contested by IP editor. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 16:13, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - My mistake - Adam Fitting is back in Triumph Brewing Company again as of earlier today. First edit of User:Jerseybrewjunkie. I'm not sure what his involvement in that establishment is, but it's beginning to smell like socks around there. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 16:23, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete - I once made a pint of Gin-ness by putting some Gin in my pint of Guinness. I am Tom Cruise and I demand my box to stand on. Richard Hock (talk) 16:58, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - Fails WP:N. What few references I could find are either (a) circular (e.g. back to this article) or (b) dated within the past six to nine months or (c) both. Not every possible mixture of beer and spirits needs its own article, does it? Geoff T C 23:22, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - I've never encountered this drink any serious cocktail literature, including works by experts in the field written long after the alleged invention of this drink. If I get a chance, I'll see if there's a more general class of gin/beer cocktails that this could be merged with. AlexTiefling (talk) 14:21, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - Here we are; I knew I'd seen something like this before. According to Larousse Cocktails (English edition, Octopus, 2005), p 106, a Tamanaco Dry consists of light beer and gin, and was invented in Venezuela in the 1950s. Any idea if we have notability guidelines for cocktails? AlexTiefling (talk) 19:09, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- See Beer cocktail, which appears to be a free-for-all of beer + anything else. Articles on cocktails should meet the general notability guidelines if nothing else. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 18:49, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - Clarification - I'm a regular patron of the Princeton location of Triumph Brewing Company, and have been since the opening. Adam "Pipe" Fitting was one of the founders of Triumph Brewing Company, and the Chief Executive officer of the company until 2004, when he sold his interest in the company to his brother Brian Fitting and his partner Adam Rechnitz. This is a cocktail that he introduced during a staff/focus group beer tasting seminar that I attended many years ago at the pub in Princeton.Jerseybrewjunkie (talk) 18:36, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Question - I'm sure your presence at this AfD is entirely innocent, but I'm curious how you found it, since your only other contribution was readding Adam Fitting to Triumph Brewing Company a couple of days ago. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 19:25, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Reply - I think this all started when I added the Pipe Wrench to the Beer Cocktails page. A bartender at Rogue Ales Public House in San Francisco told me that the Pipe Wrench had a Wikipedia page when I ordered one. That lead me to the error on the Triumph page. From the looks of things the history of all these articles goes back some time. Why is there so much weirdness about these articles? Are we actually using terms like innocence? My vote as a long time enjoyer of this drink is not to delete, and I'll be spreading the word. For lack of a better Wikipedia rule on this matter I cite ]
- Fitting! - Das klingt wie eine gute Fokusgruppe! Adam Fitting Liebes gin und -politik! Er hat viele loyalen Verfechter! Und er wird nach einem Rohr genannt! Und das Cocktail wird nach ihm genannt! JA bin ich der Meister! Dieses ist ein Triumph! Adam Fitting! HenriPlam (talk) 11:26, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- (And the crowd cheers wildly...) Delicious carbuncle (talk) 15:48, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Actually I'm curious how you, as a new Wikipedia user, came to see that the article was up for deletion. It seems odd to me that someone who hadn't had anything to do with the article and wasn't a regular (frequent) editor would be aware that it was. I used the adjective "innocent" to make it clear that I wasn't accusing you of being a sockpuppet of Adam Fitting, because of my comments earlier about sockpuppets. Sorry if you took it the wrong way. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 15:49, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Fitting! - Das klingt wie eine gute Fokusgruppe! Adam Fitting Liebes gin und -politik! Er hat viele loyalen Verfechter! Und er wird nach einem Rohr genannt! Und das Cocktail wird nach ihm genannt! JA bin ich der Meister! Dieses ist ein Triumph! Adam Fitting! HenriPlam (talk) 11:26, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Reply - I think this all started when I added the Pipe Wrench to the Beer Cocktails page. A bartender at Rogue Ales Public House in San Francisco told me that the Pipe Wrench had a Wikipedia page when I ordered one. That lead me to the error on the Triumph page. From the looks of things the history of all these articles goes back some time. Why is there so much weirdness about these articles? Are we actually using terms like innocence? My vote as a long time enjoyer of this drink is not to delete, and I'll be spreading the word. For lack of a better Wikipedia rule on this matter I cite ]
- Question - I'm sure your presence at this AfD is entirely innocent, but I'm curious how you found it, since your only other contribution was readding Adam Fitting to Triumph Brewing Company a couple of days ago. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 19:25, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 02:40, 2 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Pucci Dellanno
- Pucci Dellanno (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
This BLP has no sources that support the individual's notability. This person does not appear to be the subject of any published secondary source material. Original author and primary editor has
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Hello there, I represent the artist Bridget Grace from the Polydor (Germany) label. I was asked to create a Wikipedia entry two years ago, since this artist's work is constantly remixed and included in compilations, and there was no entry.
This article is about the person as well as the artist, since it seemed to us inane to create an entry for a non-physical person.
This article is no more nor less relevant than ANY article in Wikipedia about musical artists and their career.
Citations are impossible, numerous references and external reference links are provided and can be checked - therefore I do not see how the individual's notability is in doubt - please enter "Bridget Grace" or "Aurora Dellanno" on google to see a large number of references and hits coming up (if the lady prefers to be called Pucci instead of Aurora outside her professional circle, this is entirely her business, of course we will understand if you wish us to change to entry to Aurora Dellanno, aka Pucci from the current name).
Thanks.
Thomaslear (talk) 17:14, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, fails notability per reliable, third-party, sources. Ghits only show online stores, myspace and facebook sites. The only reference to releases on Polydor, Atlantic or Network records is this wikipedia particle. Willing to change me vote if someone can find some thing that would pass any of the 12 criteria. Esradekan Gibb "Talk" 23:46, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete non-notable artist. Myspace links are not considered ]
these are links to external websites that detail Bridget Grace's releases:
http://www.discogs.com/Bridget-Grace-Take-Me-Away/release/65458
http://top80.pl/disc/artist/Bridget+Grace
http://www.kollecta.com/Collector_Item/Vinyl_Record_(music)/Vinyl_Record/Take+Me+Away/757540.htm
http://www.webdjs.ch/sale.htm
http://%3cbr%3ewww.rolldabeats.com/artist/bridget_grace
http://www.amazon.com/Just-Memory-inch-VINYL-Single/dp/B000UD7Q22/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1233150176&sr=1-1
http://www.rave.com.ua/blog/2008/11/28/various-the-ultimate-rave-album/
http://hmv.com/hmvweb/displayProductDetails.do?ctx=12;1;306;-1;202&sku=643278
http://top80.pl/disc/artist/Bridget+Grace
http://www.trugroovez.com/forums/clarence-g-hyperspacesound-lab-e-p-da-bay-sale-t4985.html
http://www.djdownload.com/mp3-detail/Haji++Emanuel/Take+Me+Away/Big+Love/88134
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Original-Rave-Anthems-Various-Artists/dp/tracks/B000JJ5G1K/ref=dp_tracks_all_3#disc_3
http://www.biglovemusic.co.uk/
the links above include Amazon, and HMV.
Polydor Music, as you are probably aware, is now part of the Universal Music Group and our websites only have the current roster of artists. We decided that this artist was worth bringing again to the fore because of the recent remix contest on "Take Me Away" (please cfr reference in the wikipedia page - it is not a myspace link), as well as the song being included in the "Original Rave Anthems" CD published by Warner Music (under license from us for our artists), in December 2006.
This all came after DJs Haji & Emmanuel published a series of mixes of the same song in January 2006. Details of the several releases under the Big Love music label are also available from the biglovemusic link.
Saying that an artist is no longer important because they no longer have a record contract would mean taking Radiohead out of Wikipedia, and the same is saying that Amazon and HMV.com are not reliable resellers because they are online - and before you ask, yes many many people all over the world still buy the Take Me Away mixes and dance to the music - and is an encyclopedia's function not that of reference, to find out where things come from?
Thomaslear (talk) 14:03, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I think you're missing the point here. The issue isn't whether she notable. Providing a bunch of sites where you can buy her songs hasn't established that. And your last statement about encyclopaedia's function maybe true for a paper encyclopaedia, but not wikipedia. The burden of evidence lies with you, the editor. But then again, going by your talk page, a lot of editors have been trying to help you see this since June 2007, and here we are still going around in circles. Esradekan Gibb "Talk" 16:06, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
A musician whose work is constantly reviewed by peers, re-licensed and (in this case) remixed is what is normally considered notable. The evidence I can provide is that this is happening (covers, re-issues and compilations) - and that is the point.
As for my talk page, a lot of editors have indeed helped me, when I created the page, since I had never used Wikipedia to insert data before - and I am grateful to them for that. Going by my talk page, the only time the notability of the subject was put into question, was right when I created the page and I was asked to provide cross-references.
92.234.146.102 (talk) 11:35, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- As her producer, I can understand you fighting to keep the article, but unfortunately none of your arguments hold up against anything. Four out of the six external links that are currently in the article are this section for more details. On another point, the article as currently written is so far left of neutral it's not even in the ballpark for fulfilling the NPOV guidelines. ArcAngel (talk) 14:42, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- As her producer, I can understand you fighting to keep the article, but unfortunately none of your arguments hold up against anything. Four out of the six external links that are currently in the article are
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The result was delete. — Aitias // discussion 01:43, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Enigmism
- Enigmism (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
A not notable philosophy for which I find no
- Delete - Original research, promoting a fringe theory, without demonstrating its notability or citing reliable, verifiable sources. The tone of the article leads me to suspect it may be a hoax, or an attempt to make a point, perhaps about interracial relationships (or 'mating', to use the author's delicate expression). Moreover, there may be a conflict of interest, based on the similarity of the page author's handle to the name of the alleged author of the only printed source. This may also mean that the article is an attempt to promote the book itself, in which case the page should be speedily deleted as spam. AlexTiefling (talk) 16:08, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete for reasons above hablo ... 16:29, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete for reasons given. simply not notable. Hornsofthebull (talk) 16:40, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete. This is one of those cases when we're reminded that
Antisemitic incidents alleged to be related to the 2008–2009 Israel–Gaza conflict
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In violation of
- Delete for the reason above. Yamanam (talk) 11:11, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, this is a bad-faith nomination. Keep in mind that the nominator is attempting to change the title of the article (the title at the top of this page is his concoction) and destroy its content, so the version you see at any particular time may not be the "real" version. Jalapenos do exist (talk) 14:25, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Reminder to Jalapenos do exist: Wikipedia:Assume good faith, words like destroy and bad-faith are not welcome in Wikipedia.Yamanam (talk) 14:33, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - The phrase 'bad faith' is not banned or disrupt Wikipedia to make a point, it's fair comment to suggest that the action was undertaken in bad faith. The general assumption of good faith should not entirely undermine our critical faculties. AlexTiefling (talk) 16:13, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - The phrase 'bad faith' is not banned or
- Keep Many incidents have been linked to the conflict. And where there is no clear link, attributing the surge to the conflict is logical. A page name change can get around this obstacle if needed. Chesdovi (talk) 14:43, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - What you feel is logical, other editors may feel is guesswork, no matter how logical it seems, is not a reliable source.AlexTiefling (talk) 16:13, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - What you feel is logical, other editors may feel is
- Delete I looked over the page and although there are many references, it has a resounding feel of not just original research, but the above mentioned content forking concerns me as well. Maybe if the page were yanked, reformatted and reposted with a new name, instead of this one, and less of a tone considered to be original research, it would be fine.--EmperorofPeopleEverywhere (talk) 17:22, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- It's hard to respond to a claim that the article has a "feel" and a "tone" of original research. Something is either original research or it isn't. If you find a single statement in the article not supported by the sources, please point it out so we can improve it. Though I don't see how any of this has anything to do with deleting the article. Jalapenos do exist (talk) 18:37, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete but for slightly different reasons to the nominator. My concern with this article is that it doesn't clearly distinguish the difference between antisemitism and political criticism of the state of Israel. Many of the events described in the article sound to me more like the latter than the former. JulesH (talk) 19:52, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Just to clarify, my concern is a mixture of WP:NPOV concerns. For instance, in the lead section there is a sentence which reads "Nazi imagery was used in anti-Israel rallies across Europe to compare Israeli soldiers to German troops." This is sourced to an article which quite carefully does not call these rallies anti-semitic; in fact it quotes people who seem to be going to lengths to avoid saying they were anti-semitic (saying instead that they "fanned the flames of anti-Semitism") and states that most of the protesters involved denied anti-semitism. Therefore, including this event in an article whose title implies that all the things listed are antisemitic incidents is original research (a claim not supported by the source) and an NPOV violation (some people clearly believe it is not an antisemitic incident, and this viewpoint has not been quoted). JulesH (talk) 20:04, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Just to clarify, my concern is a mixture of
- Well, finally we have a single example of a problematic sentence. This is an improvement. Unsurprisingly, this is a sentence that was "worked over" by the nominator - I warned of this problem above. The emphasis of the original sentence was the rally where "protesters hollered "Hamas Hamas, Jews to the gas'", to quote the source. I doubt anyone would seriously deny that this is an antisemitic incident. The general mention of rallies using Nazi imagery was a reflection of the opinion of organizations dealing with antisemitism, mentioned in the cited source, that such imagery is used against Israel in antisemitic contexts. I agree that the opposing POV, that Nazi imagery used in criticizing Israel has nothing to do with antisemitism, should be included, assuming it is a significant POV. I still don't understand why issues with particular statements in the article, which would make great discussion page content, are being used to argue for deleting the article. Jalapenos do exist (talk) 21:04, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- "I doubt anyone would seriously deny that this is an antisemitic incident." Yet still we have no source that says it is one. And there are plenty more examples in the article, too. "A Jewish student was attacked and stabbed four times by Arab youths in a Parisian suburb." Antisemitism? Or a politically motivated attack? The sources disagree, with one calling it an antisemitic attack and the other suggesting that this is a controversial classification. "A French imam who preached for peace with Jews received death threats and was put under police protection." The source does not call this antisemtism, and it's hard to see the argument for it being so; it's a political difference of opinion escalate to extreme levels by a violent situation. "But the past two weeks have also seen aggression within the Jewish community towards those sympathetic to the plight of Gaza." Hard to see how this could be interpreted as antisemitism. "In Italy, a trade union called for a boycott of Jewish-owned shops in Rome." The only mention of antisemitism in the article is the union's denial that it was the motive for the boycott call.
- My reason for suggesting deletion rather than editing is that it seems to me that if all of these problems were fixed, the article would barely resemble its current state. It would be less than half as long, and would have a significantly different emphasis. Now, these problems could be fixed, but I question whether it is practical to fix them starting from this article, or if a different starting point would be a better approach. JulesH (talk) 21:53, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Okay, now I see the problem. You do not consider attacks against Jews as Jews to be antisemitic if they're politically motivated. The sources and common sense do, however; in fact, it's practically a tautology, since antisemitism means hostility toward Jews as Jews. Of course the stabbing of the Jewish student, which happened when his attackers noticed he was Jewish, was politically motivated: it was a politically motivated antisemitic attack. And let me get this straight: you're actually debating whether "Hamas Hamas, Jews to the gas" is an antisemitic slogan. No, that particular article does not specifically say that the slogan is "antisemitic", nor does it say that throwing Molotov cocktails on synagogues is "an attack", nor does it say that Israel is "a country in western Asia". It does, however, explicitly make clear (for the benefit of readers like you, I can only suppose) that boycotting Jewish businesses is an antisemitic act. So there's your source for that particular self-evident issue. Jalapenos do exist (talk) 22:16, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I think it worthwhile to quote Guillaume Ayme of the campaign group SOS Racisme:
- "The people who attacked synagogues, for example, they hated Jews before the start of the conflict and it just gives them a reason or an easy explanation to express this hatred." BBC
- He is of the opinion that most attacks are politically motivated, but because they are directed against Jews, and not Israelis, they are considered anti-semitic. This article does have to be carefully sifted through though. Chesdovi (talk) 23:38, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Okay, now I see the problem. You do not consider attacks against Jews as Jews to be antisemitic if they're politically motivated. The sources and common sense do, however; in fact, it's practically a tautology, since antisemitism means hostility toward Jews as Jews. Of course the stabbing of the Jewish student, which happened when his attackers noticed he was Jewish, was politically motivated: it was a politically motivated antisemitic attack. And let me get this straight: you're actually debating whether "Hamas Hamas, Jews to the gas" is an antisemitic slogan. No, that particular article does not specifically say that the slogan is "antisemitic", nor does it say that throwing Molotov cocktails on synagogues is "an attack", nor does it say that Israel is "a country in western Asia". It does, however, explicitly make clear (for the benefit of readers like you, I can only suppose) that boycotting Jewish businesses is an antisemitic act. So there's your source for that particular self-evident issue. Jalapenos do exist (talk) 22:16, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Well, finally we have a single example of a problematic sentence. This is an improvement. Unsurprisingly, this is a sentence that was "worked over" by the nominator - I warned of this problem above. The emphasis of the original sentence was the rally where "protesters hollered "Hamas Hamas, Jews to the gas'", to quote the source. I doubt anyone would seriously deny that this is an antisemitic incident. The general mention of rallies using Nazi imagery was a reflection of the opinion of organizations dealing with antisemitism, mentioned in the cited source, that such imagery is used against Israel in antisemitic contexts. I agree that the opposing POV, that Nazi imagery used in criticizing Israel has nothing to do with antisemitism, should be included, assuming it is a significant POV. I still don't understand why issues with particular statements in the article, which would make great discussion page content, are being used to argue for deleting the article. Jalapenos do exist (talk) 21:04, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge merge to talk) 20:50, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- That would be unwise, as that article is already too long and, as a result, much material even more directly related to the conflict has already been spun off into separate articles, by consensus. This article barely scrapes the surface of the notable information, and when it becomes thorough it will be a fairly long article itself. Jalapenos do exist (talk) 21:20, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete do not merge, anything with the words "alleged" in it's title is a clear content fork, also I don't see it ever becoming neutral enough for a merge as well. Agree with JulesH Secret account 20:52, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- The article did not have the word "alleged" in its title until the nominator added it, while nominating the article for deletion. I warned above that this behavior would cloud the issue. The reason the article did not have the word "alleged" in its title is because it does not deal with allegations, it deals with facts. The spike in antisemitic incidents during the conflict in question is considered by the multiple reliable sources cited to be related to the conflict. This is made clear in the text of the article, and can be verified just by reading the titles of the cited sources: "Anti-Semitic Attacks Fuelled by Gaza Conflict" (The Times) and so forth. One could also, of course, read the sources. Jalapenos do exist (talk) 21:11, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't think it is a fork. Infomation was originally placed ]
- reasonably strong keep
- See no forking here. Please indicate where.
- The title specifically mentions alleged now. Debresser (talk) 21:19, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Judaism-related deletion discussions. —Chesdovi (talk) 21:53, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per talk) 22:22, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge into WP:SYNTH- and needs a more balanced and impartial tone (ie It was named "Attacks against Jews", which is both POV (not all incidents listed are attacks - speech is hurtful and hateful but is not an attack as generally accepted) and bad English (We have a word for "hate against Jews" in English: "Antisemitic"; not using it its like saying "Killing one self" instead of "Suicide"). I disagree the nom is bad faith, but I think it is a mistaken one, and that an effort can be made with the material to bring it to encyclopedic quality.
- However, If kept, "Alleged" is WP:WTA, if this article is not deleted/merged it should be with "Antisemitic incidents related to the 2008–2009 Israel–Gaza conflict" title formulation.--Cerejota (talk) 23:12, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I see your point, but International reaction to the 2008–2009 Israel–Gaza conflict is already impossibly long, and several editors there (including myself) are currently discussing splitting it into several articles, both because of its length and because it combines issues that are not obviously related: official statements, humanitarian aid and civilian protests. Also, while I've become convinced that your name "Antisemitic incidents" is better than my "attacks against Jews", I want to point out that JulesH has argued for deletion above (if I understand him correctly) because attacks against Jews do not necessarily constitute antisemitic incidents. Jalapenos do exist (talk) 23:48, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I think all attacks against civilian Jews in non-conflict areas, that are against Jews as Jews are antisemitic. Its the definition of the term. This might surprise you. However, the article length issue is can be managed if not so much incidents are included. Just because something is RS doesn't make it notable. I do agree that there is notability of the general phenomenon of the increase compared to Jan 2008 and figures like Sarkozy have addressed the matter. But this would make a two or three paragraph addition to "Reactions". This is why some say this is POVFORKing, because it was done a bit prematurely by eager editors who are themselves Jews - instead of summary article. That said, if clearly linked to reactions in the ways suggeste dby WP:SUMMARY, and IF other sections of "Reactions" are similary summarized, I move to KEEP.--Cerejota (talk) 03:07, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I think all attacks against civilian Jews in non-conflict areas, that are against Jews as Jews are antisemitic. Its the definition of the term. This might surprise you. However, the article length issue is can be managed if not so much incidents are included. Just because something is RS doesn't make it notable. I do agree that there is notability of the general phenomenon of the increase compared to Jan 2008 and figures like Sarkozy have addressed the matter. But this would make a two or three paragraph addition to "Reactions". This is why some say this is POVFORKing, because it was done a bit prematurely by eager editors who are themselves Jews - instead of summary article. That said, if clearly linked to reactions in the ways suggeste dby
- I see your point, but
- Keep The article meets talk) 01:06, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Update: user:Chesdovi is currently hard at work revamping the article. I view his changes as a great improvement, noting that since he's in the middle, there are some expected consistency issues. Jalapenos do exist (talk) 01:52, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per 2008–2009 Israel–Gaza conflict is already bursting at its seams. We should encourage, not discourage, spinoffs. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 05:10, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge and redirect to International reactions to the 2008–2009 Israel–Gaza conflict. I mean should we create an article anti-Muslim violence as well?("Sarkozy vows "zero tolerance" for Gaza hate crimes". Reuters. 2009-01-14.)
- Secondly, if the article is to stay we need to rename it something like "Allegations of antisemitism perceived to be in relation to the 2008–2009 Israel–Gaza conflict". This is because there is a lot of claims of antisemitism made by sources all over.VR talk 06:23, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Take this source for example. The reliable source clearly says "accusations of anti-semitism". It does not say that the union's call for boycott was a definite act of antisemitism. The article title should therefore be something like "Allegations of antisemitism..." or "Claims of antisemitism..."VR talk 06:27, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong delete as POV fork. talk) 09:32, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. This is valid and well sourced article. I do not see any content forking. Fork with what article? Even if there was a content fork, it should be removed from another article and placed here.Biophys (talk) 22:00, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as this is a clear POV Fork and serves no other purpose than to project the victimhood of Jews(which is not WP is all about). Anti-Semitic attacks(which are sometimes just anti-Israel) related to recent war should be noted in an appropriate section in the same article. It is not useful to create a new article for every set of hate crimes against Jews or Muslims. Lets discuss 22:18, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I think the scale of the backlash, noted in the article, and its reaction, sets this "set of hate crimes" aside from other waves. Chesdovi (talk) 22:29, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- There is no objective way to measure "scale of backlash". The same could be said(by someone else) for creating an article titled "Islamophobic attacks occuring after 7/7 in Britain". I don't think that 2 years from now, any independent historian would be talking about these attacks as if these were a separate notable incident that required a separate article, apart from the Lets discuss 22:52, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- As has already been noted on this page, because of the sheer length of WP:SUMMARY. There is an objective way to measure the scale of the backlash, which is used by some of the sources in the article: comparison between number of incidents in this period with a similar period; not that a lack of such a method would provide any reason for deleting the article. Jalapenos do exist (talk) 00:03, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- In fact, the number of incidents is no measure of objectivity. There are countless hate crimes against many other races happening everywhere, everyday. Now let us say once things cool down, and if [alleged] increase in antisemitic attacks come down, should we have an article titled "Reduction in number of antiSemitic attacks alleged to truce between Hamas and Israel"? The problem is that of notability as a separate article Lets discuss 20:58, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Any wave of hate crimes against any group would be notable enough for a separate article if it affected the lives of millions of people around the world, received significant attention in the world media, and drew responses from world leaders, human rights groups and notable religious figures. BTW, I would support your suggestion of merging this article into WP:SUMMARY and is a purely procedural matter. I don't understand whether you in fact agree that the content should be on Wikipedia. Jalapenos do exist (talk) 22:22, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Jalapenos, let me tell you very honestly, with all due respect to you as an editor, when this article first came into my notice, I thought this was a pretty lame article. I proposed some changes to the lead as a first step(refer talk page), but I did not actually incorporated those changes into the article, as I was thinking of nominating this article for deletion. As a first step, I wanted to notify you of my intentions and arguments and it was then that I noticed that another user had already proposed this for deletion and you yourself had sought the comment of another user in your talk page. My feelings for this article is similar to that of the user whose comments/opinion you had sought. I don't see a need for this article, it is so specific that a reader would be quite unlikely to come across it, and it smells of POV Fork. I was not actively calling for a merge, rather wanted to say that it would suffice to include notable parts of this article in the Lets discuss 22:55, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Jalapenos, let me tell you very honestly, with all due respect to you as an editor, when this article first came into my notice, I thought this was a pretty lame article. I proposed some changes to the lead as a first step(refer talk page), but I did not actually incorporated those changes into the article, as I was thinking of nominating this article for deletion. As a first step, I wanted to notify you of my intentions and arguments and it was then that I noticed that another user had already proposed this for deletion and you yourself had sought the comment of another user in your talk page. My feelings for this article is similar to that of the user whose comments/opinion you had sought. I don't see a need for this article, it is so specific that a reader would be quite unlikely to come across it, and it smells of POV Fork. I was not actively calling for a merge, rather wanted to say that it would suffice to include notable parts of this article in the
- Any wave of hate crimes against any group would be notable enough for a separate article if it affected the lives of millions of people around the world, received significant attention in the world media, and drew responses from world leaders, human rights groups and notable religious figures. BTW, I would support your suggestion of merging this article into
- In fact, the number of incidents is no measure of objectivity. There are countless hate crimes against many other races happening everywhere, everyday. Now let us say once things cool down, and if [alleged] increase in antisemitic attacks come down, should we have an article titled "Reduction in number of antiSemitic attacks alleged to truce between Hamas and Israel"? The problem is that of notability as a separate article
- As has already been noted on this page, because of the sheer length of
- There is no objective way to measure "scale of backlash". The same could be said(by someone else) for creating an article titled "Islamophobic attacks occuring after 7/7 in Britain". I don't think that 2 years from now, any independent historian would be talking about these attacks as if these were a separate notable incident that required a separate article, apart from the
- I think the scale of the backlash, noted in the article, and its reaction, sets this "set of hate crimes" aside from other waves. Chesdovi (talk) 22:29, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep I cant find forking or original research. ]
- Delete not every trend/news event deserves an article in Wikipedia. WP:INDISCRIMINATE. maybe a move to Wikinews is fine. JVent (talk) 04:11, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - this has been widely reported upon and is a very real phenomenon. --GHcool (talk) 06:37, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge into International reaction to the 2008–2009 Israel–Gaza conflict. It is an important issue that needs to be covered but I think as a standalone article it becomes a bit too decontextualized or the context get's completely shifted inappropriately in my view. For example, I look at the page and the very first thing I see is a Judenstern badge. Somehow the context is transformed to the Holocaust when in fact the context is the ongoing Israeli–Palestinian conflict. That seems inappropriate. Sean.hoyland - talk 10:54, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. This article, like others of its ilk, is a transparent ruse to sneak cheap propaganda into the Wikipedia in the guise of scholarship. It sits comfortably with Blood Libel at Deir Yassin, and the dozens of massacre articles and massacre lists and massacre summaries written by both sides. None of these articles represents a trend or cultural artifact of any significance in itself; they should all be deleted and, where the information is meaningful, recast into articles that are not mere attempts to get hate words into Wikipedia titles.
- Could you imagine an article in the 11th edition of Britannica with this preposterous title?
- This is not a vote to delete, just a venting of my festering disgust with the way we editors deal with these topics. --Ravpapa (talk) 11:39, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- This kind of article may not feature in the Britannica, but it would in an almanac of some sort. Also Wiki is not paper. Your accusation of "cheap propaganda" does not tally with the exposure this backlash has had in the media. Have you seen how many sources there are? There have also been news reports about it on TV: Gaza: rise in anti-Semitism?. Chesdovi (talk) 11:50, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- There is a slight difference, important though, between attacking a Jewish only because s/he is Jewish (which is anti-semitic), and attacking a Jewish because Israel (his national home) is brutally assaulting another nation, the latter is not anti-semitic. Yamanam (talk) 12:05, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Difference in motivation, but still anti-semitic. Not every Jew holds Israeli citizenship! Chesdovi (talk) 16:09, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- This is my point exactly; the motivation will determine whether this attack is anti-semitic or not (no matter what is the nationality of the attacked person). Yes, not every Hew hods an Israeli citizenship, but the perception of the whole world that every Jew is entitled to get an Israeli citizenship, therefor, the actions of Israeli government are reflected someway or another on the Jews all over the world. let us not confuse the reader, let us make it clear: not all attacks against Jews are anti-semitic attacks. One question might clarify this issue more, do u consider the Palestinian attacks (living in Gaza or West Bank)on Jewish Israeli people an anti-semitic action? The answer is no, apply the same concept on this article and you will find that it is forking.Yamanam (talk) 16:19, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Attacking an Israeli who happens to be Jewish is not antisemitic, but attacking a Jew because he is a Jew is antisemitic, even if the motivation is a perceived connection between Jews and Israel's actions at any given time. That perceived connection is unjustified, because many Jews have absolutely nothing to do with Israel. But the question has nothing to do with justification, it has to do with the definition of antisemitism. For example, if (hypothetically) all Jews were members of a cabal plotting to enslave the human race, it could be justified to attack Jews, but such attacks would still be antisemitic, since antisemitism is defined as "hostility toward Jews". Jalapenos do exist (talk) 17:04, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- This is my point exactly; the motivation will determine whether this attack is anti-semitic or not (no matter what is the nationality of the attacked person). Yes, not every Hew hods an Israeli citizenship, but the perception of the whole world that every Jew is entitled to get an Israeli citizenship, therefor, the actions of Israeli government are reflected someway or another on the Jews all over the world. let us not confuse the reader, let us make it clear: not all attacks against Jews are anti-semitic attacks. One question might clarify this issue more, do u consider the Palestinian attacks (living in Gaza or West Bank)on Jewish Israeli people an anti-semitic action? The answer is no, apply the same concept on this article and you will find that it is forking.Yamanam (talk) 16:19, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Difference in motivation, but still anti-semitic. Not every Jew holds Israeli citizenship! Chesdovi (talk) 16:09, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- There is a slight difference, important though, between attacking a Jewish only because s/he is Jewish (which is anti-semitic), and attacking a Jewish because Israel (his national home) is brutally assaulting another nation, the latter is not anti-semitic. Yamanam (talk) 12:05, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- This kind of article may not feature in the Britannica, but it would in an almanac of some sort. Also Wiki is not paper. Your accusation of "cheap propaganda" does not tally with the exposure this backlash has had in the media. Have you seen how many sources there are? There have also been news reports about it on TV: Gaza: rise in anti-Semitism?. Chesdovi (talk) 11:50, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Antisemitism is defined by European Forum on Antisemistism as:
Antisemitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of antisemitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities
So it is a perception of Jews, not a perception of Israeli. The mentioned attacks against Jews were mainly because of a perception of them being Israeli since it was motivated by the israeli brutal assault. Yamanam (talk) 17:21, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Yamanam, you must accept the fact that not every Jew is an Israeli and not every Israeli is a Jew. The Balfour Declaration of 1917 specifically stated that "nothing shall be done which may prejudice... the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country". Your theory that because Israel allows all Jews to apply for citizenship, Jews are therefore accountable for Israel's actions is astounding! Your suggestion that Israel's actions are reflected on all Jews is interesting. While many Jews would be proud of Israel's achivements, I am sure they would baulk at being vilified for its shortcomings! Israel is not the representitve of the Jewish people. And neither do Jews represent Israel. Livni said "whatever one's opinion of Israel's military operation, it should not be used to legitimize hate and anti-Semitic incitement." It is because many people, including yourself, mix the two, these attacks have occurred. And they are to be condemed as any other anti-semitic attack. There is no justification. According to you, it would not be Islamophobic for me to attack a Muslim or mosque in London because a Muslim country brutally attacked another nation. This is warped thinking. Embassies are the place for protests, not people or institutions whhich share the same religion. That is what the Jewish community of Antwerp meant when they issued a statement condeming the anti-semitic violence saying "we are all Flemish, we are all Antwerp inhabitants". This is what the Spainish PM explained aswell: "The Israeli government should be criticised if it used disproportionate force, but without going too far in the sense that everything Jewish or Semitic would need to be unanimously criticised." The problem with too many people is that they don't see the difference between the two. That is why Neturei Karta are so intent on making their statements that "Not all Jews are Zionists"! Chesdovi (talk) 17:35, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- No Chesdovi, don't think that i am justifying or looking for a justification for those people who are attacking Jews, I think u already knew that. Another thing, I certainly know that not every Jew is israeli and not every israeli is Jew; I am only emphasizing on one point, the underlying reasons for those attacks are not because the attacked are Jew, they are rather because of the level of brutality that was exercised by the israeli government. And since most people "don't see the difference between the two" they attacked Jews thinking they are the same thing as Israel. You brought it up, do you think that the attackers would attack members of Neturei Karta? the answer is yes and no; NO if the attacker knew Neturei Karta's political views, and YES if the attacker didn't know Neturei Karta's political views. Yamanam (talk) 17:56, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I've just noted your reply, to be quite honest with you, this section made the article better, and by better I mean it minimized the ambiguity of the artilce. But still the title and most sections of the article imply that those attacks are in response to the conflict and are targeting Jewish only becasue they are Jewish. Yamanam (talk) 19:24, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- They are targeting Jews because of the conflict and because they are Jewish. They are targeting Jews because they believe all Jews are supportive of Israel and back its actions. All Jews therefore advocate the massacre of civilians. All Jews are greedy too. And because the massacre of civilians is evil, just as greed and arrogance is evil, all Jews are understandably attacked. It is not a gratuitous hate. There is always a perceived reason behind the anti-semitic prejudice, a motive for the attacks. It is not just because they were born Jewish, but because what Jews are associated with. It would not be anti-semitic for an ill-treated worker to punch his boss, who happened to be Jewish. But for him to punch another random Jew in the street as revenge against his boss, would be. “But I wasn’t punching him because he was Jewish”, he retorts. “It was because of the ill-treatment of my Jewish boss; and as all Jews share the same ethnicity, all must support the ill-treatment of workers. My assault therefore, cannot be classed anti-semitic.” Now did this worker ask the random Jew whether he supports ill treatment of workers before he punched him? No. He just perceived these two Jews were one and the same and both equally deserving of his retribution. Did any of the current anti-semitic attackers ask their victims whether they supported the Israeli action before they carried out their attack? Did the pakistani terrorist in Mumbai ask Leibish Teitelbaum whether he was an anti-Zionist before he shot him? No. They just attacked them because they were Jewish and because what those people associate all Jews with. These recent global attacks carried out against random Jews are indeed anti-semitic precisely because the attackers are perceiving all Jews to be collectively supportive and therefore culpable for, in this case, Israeli actions. Attacks against the Israeli embassy would not be called anti-semitic. Attacks against pro-Israel supporters would not be anti-semitic. The attack at the BICOM office is not classed anti-semitic. Attacks against random synagogues and random Jews are.
- Noting the surge of anti-semitic attacks in the UK during the Gaza conflict, it will be interesting to know whether any of the 150,000 British Mullaitivu. 50,000 demonstrated against it today in London. Chesdovi (talk) 00:57, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- For me these attacks are antisemitic simply by definition but more importantly they must be motivated by the actions of the Israeli government in Gaza or else they shouldn't be in the article obviously. I think this discussion between the two of you illustrates why this article shouldn't be a standalone article and why it's better to merge it into the article specifically related to this conflict. Sean.hoyland - talk 18:08, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Which article should it be merged into. It has been noted that the ]
- I meant the reaction page which could be reduced in size quite dramatically I think. If it really can't be reduced in size sufficiently for some reason then I think it would be better if this article was renamed and included these kind of incidents/attacks against civilians/property from both sides of the conflict to avoid content forking. There's already too much content forking around I-P issues. Sean.hoyland - talk 01:29, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Which article should it be merged into. It has been noted that the ]
- For me these attacks are antisemitic simply by definition but more importantly they must be motivated by the actions of the Israeli government in Gaza or else they shouldn't be in the article obviously. I think this discussion between the two of you illustrates why this article shouldn't be a standalone article and why it's better to merge it into the article specifically related to this conflict. Sean.hoyland - talk 18:08, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Noting the surge of anti-semitic attacks in the UK during the Gaza conflict, it will be interesting to know whether any of the 150,000 British
- Delete WP:SYN violation. Merge any notable information into the appropriate articles. csloat (talk) 14:46, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Please note which souces used violate WP:Synthesis. The article is entitled "Attacks which occured during the conflict". All these did? The article goes on to link most the attacks to the war, as their sources do. There is no OR here? Chesdovi (talk) 15:50, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- If one of the sources used was the issue, it wouldn't be a SYN violation. The violation is the article itself, which strings together various sources, apparently for soapboxing purposes. It is actually your burden (or, the burden of those who want to keep the article) to show a single reliable source that strings all these incidents together under a category like this and gives that category notability; that does not seem to exist here. csloat (talk) 09:59, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- If one of the sources used was the issue, it wouldn't be a SYN violation. The violation is the article itself, which strings together various sources, apparently for
- Comment How about we rename it to 'Racial backlash alleged to be related to the 2008–2009 Israel–Gaza' to include information like this?--Falastine fee Qalby (talk) 19:00, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I can't open that link? I thought of renaming it to: Antisemitic backlash to the 2008–2009 Israel–Gaza conflict. Chesdovi (talk) 23:55, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1058812.html copy and paste, it is about anti-Arab attacks taking place in Israel related to the 'conflict'. --Falastine fee Qalby (talk) 00:04, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- That's better. These Anti-Arab attacks should be added somewhere. It mentions Gaza, but what does "nationally motivated" mean? Was it in response to Hamas rockets? Chesdovi (talk) 00:33, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I have found another: Share Email Print Church defaced by pro-Israel, anti-Arab graffiti. Chesdovi (talk) 01:15, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1058812.html copy and paste, it is about anti-Arab attacks taking place in Israel related to the 'conflict'. --Falastine fee Qalby (talk) 00:04, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - Needs some improvement, but well sourced and not a POV fork. Rlendog (talk) 22:19, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge - I don't see why this was separated from the main article on the International reaction to the Gaza conflict, as all of the attacks (whether they were anti-Israeli or just plain racist) are directly linked to this particularly conflict. Also, if merged, I suggest a rename to just "Violent incidents" or something of that nature and we could include attacks by the Israeli army against protesters in the West Bank (four or five incidents that I know of) in that particular section. This current article seems to serve no productive purpose other than being POV or attempting to foster sympathy for Jews around the world, which might not be wrong to some, but is counter to the purpose of Wikipedia. --Al Ameer son (talk) 03:33, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Rename the title doesnt seem to be Encyclopedic. --Wayiran (talk) 16:01, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. The article is well-sourced, decently written and contains content that is useful. This AfD is probably in bad faith, based on the nom's comments regarding Jews in the discussion. Kari Hazzard (T | C) 22:16, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Delete - There are far too many POV forks. LOTRrules Talk Contribs 22:50, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - um...I think I'm allowed to have a say, right? I think it should be deleted because it is mainly attacks against Jews not Arabs. It should talk about attacks on both sides. 78.148.63.39 (talk) 22:56, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- Comment - Being that Be bold and write an article about hatred relating to Arabs that has occurred as a result of this event rather than trying to get this (good) article deleted. Kari Hazzard (T | C) 00:01, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - I think it's reasonable to assume that the international reactions article will be split into sub-articles given it's current size. See Talk:International_reaction_to_the_2008–2009_Israel–Gaza_conflict#Splitting_the_Article. This article could then be renamed and become one of the sub-articles dealing with all racially/stupidity motivated incidents. Sean.hoyland - talk 18:20, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Sean, looking at this from a categorization perspective, I tend to support your idea. Logically, there are 4 types of backlash incidents that belong in one article: anti-Israeli, anti-Jewish, anti-Palestinian and anti-Arab/Muslim. The problem is that almost all of the incidents, at least those that were reported, belonged to one type - this type: anti-Jewish. There were a few attacks against Israeli embassies, Dead Sea Care products stands and the like (anti-Israeli). There were one or two incidents in Israel against Israeli Arabs/Palestinian citizens of Israel (anti-Palestinian). And as far as I'm aware, there was one attack during the conflict, in France, against Arabs (anti-Arab/Muslim), and it would be difficult to tie even that attack to the conflict. So the question is what do/should we do on Wikipedia when several issues should logically be categorized together, but one of the issues overshadows the others. I have wondered about this regarding completely noncontentious, apolitical issues, and have never seen a coherent, convincing answer. Perhaps somebody has one now. Jalapenos do exist (talk) 21:15, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, it's a bit of a conundrum and I don't want to be like the NBC execs who nearly shelved Seinfeld after the pilot testing because it was 'too Jewish'...classic. Actually I'm surprised that there haven't been more attacks on Jewelers because 'it sounds a bit like Jew' or Indians because '..aren't they the same as Arabs' given that there's there's no danger of stupidity running out in the near future. I have to openly declare a strong POV bias here so you know where I'm coming from. I'm not at all in favour of the content forking around I-P issues. It's a bit of a problem here. It's turning WP into a West Bank-like patchwork. For example, I'd much rather all of the rocket attack articles were changed into articles documenting incidents involving both sides, rockets, incusions into Gaza, suicide bombings etc so that they could become more timeline-like rather than focus on a specific aspect that only affects one side. It was unfortunate in my view that a recent articles for deletion nomination about Israeli attacks on the Gaza Strip in 2008 resulted in the deletion of the article when the info could have been combined with existing info to reduce content forking. So, I really see this as an opportunity to stop the patchwork spreading. Sean.hoyland - talk 11:28, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Sean, looking at this from a categorization perspective, I tend to support your idea. Logically, there are 4 types of backlash incidents that belong in one article: anti-Israeli, anti-Jewish, anti-Palestinian and anti-Arab/Muslim. The problem is that almost all of the incidents, at least those that were reported, belonged to one type - this type: anti-Jewish. There were a few attacks against Israeli embassies, Dead Sea Care products stands and the like (anti-Israeli). There were one or two incidents in Israel against Israeli Arabs/Palestinian citizens of Israel (anti-Palestinian). And as far as I'm aware, there was one attack during the conflict, in France, against Arabs (anti-Arab/Muslim), and it would be difficult to tie even that attack to the conflict. So the question is what do/should we do on Wikipedia when several issues should logically be categorized together, but one of the issues overshadows the others. I have wondered about this regarding completely noncontentious, apolitical issues, and have never seen a coherent, convincing answer. Perhaps somebody has one now. Jalapenos do exist (talk) 21:15, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - obviously notable material which needs to be split from the reactions page per WP:SIZE. (N)POV has absolutely nothing to do with it, and there's nothing inherently POV about either the article's title or its content. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 01:31, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - Well sourced and detailed. Gives an account of incidents against Jews sparked by the last Israeli-Palastinian conflict in Gaza which were well documented by world media and by Jewish organizations. Best. Tkalisky (talk) 06:07, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - seems an acceptable spinoff article. The main conflict article is excessively long already, necessitating the creation of articles like this (see also, for instance, original research here, in assuming the existence of links that didn't actually exist, but most of the examples here do appear to be specifically related to the Gaza conflict. A merge into the International Reaction article would be possible, but it doesn't strike me as absolutely necessary either. Terraxos (talk) 23:05, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, feels too content fork-y to me. Wizardman 04:38, 2 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Although the creator never removed the prod tag on this article, a comment on its talk page is to be regarded as a contestation of the prod. Game engine with no assertion of notability. (There are also
- Note: This debate has been included in the ]
- Delete I can't come up with any useful reliable sources to verify this game engine. talk) 17:41, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - I can't find anything either. talk) 19:07, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong delete It's only in the ALPHA stage - so therefore doesn't fit the notability criteria. ArcAngel (talk) 00:09, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Again, notability is determined by coverage in reliable sources. talk) 00:13, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Again, notability is determined by coverage in reliable sources.
- Delete Insufficient notability to meet inclusion guidelines. ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:07, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. Edits made by the creator after the opening of this AfD are definitely promotional, and there is also an AfD tag removal. -- Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 23:57, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment-Anvil3d is still under construction. The area under licensing has been deleted. I'm trying to take a more neutral view when writing this article. I do not see the need to delete this article. -Wdenslow
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The result was keep. MBisanz talk 08:16, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Brandi_Hawbaker
- Brandi_Hawbaker (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
stub article of unimportant person DegenFarang (talk) 11:26, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- and to summarize in general the reasons behind the first AFD and the current discussion: this person technically meets the requirements of WP:NOTABILITY but lies in the grey area of "covered in reliable news sources but of very limited interest to a small group of people." She was a drama-bomb in a small circle of poker players. Her achievements as a player alone were virtually nil. ♣♦ SmartGuy ♥♠ (talk) 14:14, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Meets general notability guidelines, as noted by User:SmartGuy. The article is adequately sourced, and there are plenty more reliable sources available if anyone thought they were needed. Article is short, but not a stub, could be expanded (and in any case "stub" is not a valid reason for deletion). I also think Hawbaker crosses any gap or grey area that may exist between verifiablity and notability. As User:SmartGuy notes, she did not win much as a pro poker player, but she did "attract a significant cult following" within that world, a criterion from Wikipedia:Notability_(people)#Entertainers -- probably the category under which a pro poker player fits best. Moreover, her story speaks to the state of the pro poker world, and of our notoriety/media-driven society in general. In short, this article needs expansion, not deletion. Baileypalblue (talk) 17:25, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. While she did have something of a cult following, it was not for anything that was reliably reported in reputable media, more for a series of alleged scandals. I'm not sure she can even be called a professional poker player as most evidence points to her losing far more than she won in her short career. The article currently only lists her very modest tournament winnings which isn't enough to really justify an article in my opinion. RommiePlayer
- Weak Keep Barely notable talk) 22:23, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak keep Being a short article isn't a valid reason for deletion; that's a reason for expansion. Notability is questionable, but the multiple reliable sources in the article indicate some weak notability anyway. Rray (talk) 00:03, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Though she didn't win much and only had four money finishes, in my view that makes her notable. The article does need some work, however. ArcAngel (talk) 00:12, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. She isn't notable for her poker, but for her well-publicized odd behavior and subsequent suicide. Clarityfiend (talk) 00:35, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete In current form the article is laughably incomplete, and due to WP policies (and the lack of new 'news' about the subject) will likely never be able to be made whole. DegenFarang (talk) 02:17, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- It's not customary for the person nominating the article to "vote". Rray (talk) 03:34, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Notable with adequate sources and coverage. ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:08, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep She was an important and notable personality in her field (which is becoming more visable). Her story is interesting. I believe it is appropriate for an encyclopedia, especially one with 2.8 million entries Jlawniczak (talk) 03:46, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete even though I am in the minority here. Her case is an example of a subject that meets the letter of Wiki law but not the spirit. We can find a bazillion Google hits on her, her name mentioned in CardPlayer once or twice, and her odd behavior was, as User:Clarityfiend says, widely publicized. That really doesn't amount to diddly squat, though. She was and still is of interest to only a very small circle of fanboys within the poker world, was nowhere close to being anything that resembled influential in the field, and is of no interest at all to anyone else. This is a fringe article. Send it to the Wiki graveyard. ♣♦ SmartGuy ♥♠ (talk) 04:45, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Her name was more than "mentioned in CardPlayer once or twice" -- when she died, Card Player, which is the leading magazine in the field, ran a full-length obituary about her. [14] JamesMLane t c 07:53, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Notability established by references, winnings, and circumstances. Article needs expansion, though. Dayewalker (talk) 01:09, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I would agree if there was anything to expand upon. However she is dead now and what does exist Wikipedia rules does not allow to be included. So there is no way to expand it. And notability is not established by her 'winnings', not by a long shot. DegenFarang (talk) 05:41, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- This may be true, but "needing expansion" isn't a valid deletion reason. Rray (talk) 14:06, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- The article can be expanded, it just needs some legwork to do so. ArcAngel (talk) 22:49, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Interesting that you say so, as your source was just removed for 'nowhere near a reliable source'. I disagree, Neverwin probably did more research and coverage on Brandi than anybody in the world...however I know how 2005 and others get on these poker articles and to include any one source like that is going to take an all-out war. This is not an argument for deletion so much really, just a statement of fact and this discussion might be better suited to the article talk page, as it doesn't look like consensus supports a deletion. DegenFarang (talk) 13:32, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- You can read more about what is and isn't considered a reliable source here: Wikipedia:Reliable_sources. And yes, that discussion does belong on the article's talk page. 17:23, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. — Aitias // discussion 01:47, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Carolina Palmqvist
- Carolina Palmqvist (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
Article is about a NN business-person. No references in article, CSD and PROD were removed, now sending to AfD.
Weak keepDelete CEO of one of largest travel agencies in Sweden seems to confer at least some notability.Two of the external links are in Swedish so I'm not able to ascertain what they are about but they certainly seem to relate to this individual.Translation of interview shows no notability and CEO seems to rather overstate her position. Paste Let’s have a chat. 13:57, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]- Delete - Fails to meet Wikipedia:Notability (people). --Boston (talk) 15:48, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete CEOs of major companies are notable, though it may be difficult getting sources--especially for non-US companies. But the first step in judging the notability of the company is to try to maintain a Wikipedia article on it. The company is Travelstart; its article in the Swedish WP is based upon an article on its founder in the English Wikipedia, Stephan Ekbergh. The subject of the present article does not have an entry in the Swedish WP, nor is she mentioned in their article on the company [15]. DGG (talk) 17:21, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete on notability grounds talk) 22:25, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per failing of ]
- Delete due to lack of notability. Could possibly be mentioned by name in an article on Travelstart. Tomas e (talk) 11:55, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. — Aitias // discussion 01:52, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Kendra Morris
- Kendra Morris (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
Doesn't meet
- Delete Not notable, fails talk) 22:26, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Can find no mention of this artist at Billboard, so fails ]
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The result was speedy delete. G3 as blatant hoax. Non-admin closure. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 17:03, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Holos the Healer
- Holos the Healer (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
Apparent
- Here is some further history about this article on Wikipedia: In December 2005, Holos was added to List of saints by an IP, who also requested a creation review for a Saint Holos article. That request was denied for lack of sources. The denial refers to a previous afd from July 2005. That afd result was a CSD delete per copyright violation. Apparently this story originated from a single new-age website (now unknown).
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- Delete per nom, non-notable even if it's not a ]
- Comment - goofy as the article is, there may be something to it. Consider this reference. Maybe it's just nonsense reproduced in a legit forum (it happens all the time in journalism!), but I'd try to research it more before deleting. J L G 4 1 0 4 13:19, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Um, that page is just a mirror of the WP List of saints, to which someone probably added the name after seeing it in a category. Not an independent "reference." Deor (talk) 13:41, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Deor is correct. Note the Wikipedia license at the bottom of that page. — CactusWriter | needles 13:45, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- D'oh! Ok, thanks. In the meantime, I found nothing. J L G 4 1 0 4 14:15, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Deor is correct. Note the Wikipedia license at the bottom of that page. — CactusWriter | needles 13:45, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- However, your pointing out the List of Saints entry prompted me to look at that again. The history of this article goes further back than 2006. See above. — CactusWriter | needles 14:48, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Glad to be of use. J L G 4 1 0 4 15:57, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- However, your pointing out the List of Saints entry prompted me to look at that again. The history of this article goes further back than 2006. See above. — CactusWriter | needles 14:48, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per above. J L G 4 1 0 4 14:15, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as per ]
- Delete as hoax. Edward321 (talk) 15:09, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy delete. hmwithτ 21:19, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Kaangeyan
- Kaangeyan (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
So far as I can make out between the poor English of this article and the minimal google hits, this is either just a rumour or a project that stalled before getting of the ground, hence a textbook failure of
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- Delete: Fails WP:NFF. Ajith isn't even going to start working on this movie until after Asal is done, if it ever happens. Baileypalblue (talk) 12:16, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per WP:NFF. Articles about movies that are either undistrubted or are currently in the works of being made, but have not started filming yet do not deserve their own articles. Razorflame 14:35, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - not yet notable. --Boston (talk) 15:49, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Impossible to understand, so speedied A1, and doesn't assert notability. —Preceding ]
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The result was speedy delete under criterion G3. Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (talk) 16:55, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Park (scottish name)
- Park (scottish name) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
Park is certainly a surname, it may even be Scottish in origin, but this page is just a joke family history. The name Park is not the origin of the English word Park, as stated. There are no references. This is not a credible article and should be deleted. Jonathan Oldenbuck (talk) 10:24, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete The article is clearly a joke, whether there should be a genuine 'Park' surname entry I don't know. Alberon (talk) 10:59, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as hoax. Ben MacDui 12:22, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- G3 Blatant misinformation. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 15:46, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy delete as a ]
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The result was speedy delete. G12, copyvio of http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0537501/bio Mgm|(talk) 10:26, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Tony Maietta
- Tony Maietta (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
Blatant advertisement; written by someone with obvious
I am also nominating the following related page because it is also a blatant advertisement, written by the same author. In this case, the author is promoting himself:
- Jeffrey Vance (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) -- Gmatsuda (talk) 09:33, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy Delete both for unsalvageable COPYVIO issues; each article is a copy of the subject's imdb bio ("Tony Maietta" and "Jeffrey Vance" respectively). No non-infringing prior version exists for either article. Baileypalblue (talk) 12:52, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy Delete and send stern warning to editor. Boston (talk) 15:50, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: I missed that on Tony Maietta but the one for Jeffrey Vance isn't a verbatim copy of his IMDB bio, which made me wonder whether it would be considered a copyright violation...I've seen such articles kept in the past because of that. -- Gmatsuda (talk) 18:35, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete not notable and fails
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The result was delete. — Aitias // discussion 01:01, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Indiana Braves
- Indiana Braves (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
This is a recreational league team. Clarityfiend (talk) 07:33, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete: fails WP:ORG -- no independent source coverage for this organization. Baileypalblue (talk) 13:14, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Having a team in the Indianapolis Adult Baseball League is a good recreational activity, but not notable. Mandsford (talk) 16:49, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete has clearly been copy and pasted from another web site talk) 22:28, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. MBisanz talk 08:15, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Hell Rell
- Hell Rell (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
Delete. The subject of the article is completely non-notable, affiliates of The Diplomats are literally a dime a dozen. Completely lacks non-trivial coverage by reliable third party publications. Fails WP:MUSIC. [18] JBsupreme (talk) 07:19, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Not notable and fails talk) 22:29, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, passes WP:MUSIC#C2 for Black Mask, Black Gloves reaching #131 on the Billboard 200 [24]. Esradekan Gibb "Talk" 23:22, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment As he is no longer affiliated with Dipset, Hell Rell is a stand alone artist who is in talks with several major labels, after releasing an independant album that hit billboard (#131). He is an original member of the music powerhouse group Diplomats and was on their first album which sold over 2 million copies to date. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.24.49.1 (talk • contribs) 10:02, 30 January 2009
- Merge with The Diplomats article until better sources become available. coccyx bloccyx(toccyx) 00:37, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. — Aitias // discussion 01:02, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yashar fallah vazirabad
- Yashar fallah vazirabad (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
- Delete: Cannot establish notability. Plastikspork (talk) 06:10, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete, being a lecturer is not enough. Punkmorten (talk) 09:21, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Recent PhD, lecturer. Erasmus scholarship is not exclusive enough to classify as "major academic award", it's just a postdoc fellowship. Does not meet ]
- Delete Doesn't establish notability --talk) 20:51, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - does not establish notability. Rlendog (talk) 22:13, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete. Looking at the arguments put forth by both sides, it's clear that at this time, "Boxxy" does not meet our standards for inclusion. --MZMcBride (talk) 00:05, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Boxxy
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Non-notable Internet meme, especially per
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- Strong keep Subject meets criteria of notable internet meme - third party links are from major news sources. Note: we went through a deletion review on this only a few hours ago[25], and Boxxy passed and was recreated. FlyingToaster 06:00, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- The DRV was for a speedy deletion and endorsed sending to AFD. Mr.Z-man 06:11, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Keep We just went through this with a recreation argument. Major sources have caught on, it's ongoing, and deleting it helps no one. Bloody deletionists. If there's enough argument to recreate it, there certainly isn't enough to delete it again. burnte (talk) 06:04, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- The DRV was for a speedy deletion and endorsed sending to AFD. Mr.Z-man 06:11, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- The DRV consensus was "allow re-creation. Article may be sent to Afd, but may not be speedily deleted in the future." It says MAY, which in no way means it is an endorsement or directive. It only means AFD is still allowed, while speedy deletion is now of the table. Please refrain from correcting people in the future unless you know what you're talking about. burnte (talk) 06:19, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Your comments, "We just went through this with a recreation argument" are misleading; by starting off with a comment about the DRV, you make it sound like the fact that there was undeletion argument should have some merit on the outcome of this AFD, as the closer specifically mentioned that an AFD was acceptable, it should not. Please refrain from being a dick; don't tell me what to do. Who do you think you are? Mr.Z-man 06:28, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Ha. Pretty sure that the 'don't be a dick' thing applies to YOU more than it does to him, my friend ;) And I will, in turn, and very deservedly, ask you just who the hell you happen to think YOU are. 190.78.132.241 (talk) 23:16, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- He's someone who's not so wiki-elite as to have his username in Broadway font with italics. --TIB(talk) 08:14, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I'll tell you who I am. I'm a user of Wikipedia like everyone else. You don't like my apples? Don't shake my tree. Don't want to hear what I have to say? Don't talk to me. As for being a dick, I was in fact being bold. If you don't like it go away. I'm an inclusionist who will vociferously stand up to petty turf battles by small minded wikitards such as yourself who think this is some holy shrine into which only the most worthy information must pass. I will overturn your tables every chance I get in order to promote the free exchange of information that is important to small subsets of people. I will always fight the tyranny of the majority, and I will always call out liars such as yourself. The truth was that this was revived because it was found worthy my the majority of people who spoke up. That DOES have some weight, and that's provable by the fact it is no longer eligible for speedy deletion. Contribute positively or bugger off, because people like me will call you out on your misinformation every time. burnte (talk) 09:23, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Oh captain, my captain. --TIB (talk) 14:15, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Your comments, "We just went through this with a recreation argument" are misleading; by starting off with a comment about the DRV, you make it sound like the fact that there was undeletion argument should have some merit on the outcome of this AFD, as the closer specifically mentioned that an AFD was acceptable, it should not. Please refrain from being a dick; don't tell me what to do. Who do you think you are? Mr.Z-man 06:28, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- The DRV consensus was "allow re-creation. Article may be sent to Afd, but may not be speedily deleted in the future." It says MAY, which in no way means it is an endorsement or directive. It only means AFD is still allowed, while speedy deletion is now of the table. Please refrain from correcting people in the future unless you know what you're talking about. burnte (talk) 06:19, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Blogs are not major sources and saying something is 'ongoing' sounds like a prediction/]
- Delete The sole (dubious) WP:WEB. The subject of the article is a short-lived meme that has little relevance beyond those who frequent 4chan and has received no major news coverage. --Chasingsol(talk) 06:25, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - all of the "reliable sources" seem to be blogs; some more reliable than others, but blogs nonetheless. Mr.Z-man 06:31, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Yet another ✽ 06:52, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Flash-in-the-pan, eh? Great, now I have a liable reason for the deletion of Tay Zonday's article. She's not an internet celebrity, by the way, she's a meme. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.166.35.201 (talk) 18:11, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Cloaking something in flashy "Web 2.0" buzzwords doesn't change things... she's a flavor-of-the-month ephemeral celebrity with no lasting notability. ✽ 03:23, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Cloaking something in flashy "Web 2.0" buzzwords doesn't change things... she's a flavor-of-the-month ephemeral celebrity with no lasting notability.
- Flash-in-the-pan, eh? Great, now I have a liable reason for the deletion of Tay Zonday's article. She's not an internet celebrity, by the way, she's a meme. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.166.35.201 (talk) 18:11, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete at best this is ]
- Delete yet another flash in the pan which hardly warrants coverage from this encyclopedia or any other. JBsupreme (talk) 07:22, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment My primary motivation in nominating this article is that Boxxy's "fame" is not mainstream and is limited to those within the 4chan and Youtube "communities" and will very likely end up being a "flash in the pan". Furthermore, I'm not quite sure how Boxxy is classified as a "meme" (even though I used that term in the original nomination)...there are a lot of eccentric YouTube "celebrities" and Boxxy happens to be one who gained a number of followers. While I do support deletion of the article now, I do think that it certainly could be re-created if the topic somehow gains notability in the future. Scootey (talk) 07:49, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep for several reasons. Firstly, over 300,000 google results and 2 million youtube views on her account 'boxxybabee'(not to mention views of her on other websites. Has been featured in articles by the Guardian, metro and The Inquisitr. Wikipedia is not paper applies here, I believe. She has been featured by well known youtube celb sxephil in a video (and brought up in a second video) . People will be coming to Wikipedia for information on her and this is a well written article. She even has her own website now, boxxy.com. Just my two cents.--HamedogTalk|@ 07:53, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Invalid arguments, see ]
- I think the celebrities or their staff may disagree that notability is not temporary. Just ask their agents how much they worry about this! The curse of a fading star, etc. j/k! ;) --92.19.116.17 (talk) 12:59, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - Very notable. Major sources. LOTS of major sources. Much more than poor Limecat, who didn't stand a chance.
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- Amendment: Non blog source from the Metro.co.uk, OL article may be considered a blog, but it is in print also.--talk) 08:39, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- This is not a single purpose account. This account is at least 2 years old, I just haven't the reasoning to edit anything else. I am not a noob at this. I am a sysop at another large wiki. Whoever added this tag is biased. I wrote an article on my wiki (which is unfortunately blacklisted) on Boxxy on the 11th and at this second "This page has been accessed 214,221 times" Are you going to tell me that this isn't notable? What about talk) 05:32, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- This is not a single purpose account. This account is at least 2 years old, I just haven't the reasoning to edit anything else. I am not a noob at this. I am a sysop at another large wiki. Whoever added this tag is biased. I wrote an article on my wiki (which is unfortunately blacklisted) on Boxxy on the 11th and at this second "This page has been accessed 214,221 times" Are you going to tell me that this isn't notable? What about
- Keep - As said above, there's more sources on this than the metro.co.uk. When it's big enough for these organizations to think it's worth writing about, it's notable. At least for now. --TIB (talk) 08:14, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong keep. I have looked at few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
- Keep. Meets both talk) 08:56, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- You go by what information you have. Just because there isn't a large sum of information (See talk) 15:59, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- No that's not how it works. WP:V explicitly state that blogs and other self-published sources are inappropriate sources for writing about a living person unless they have some editorial oversight or they're written by the subject. There needs to be reliable sources that some editorial oversight. This article currently has one, which is not enough for notability, nor is it enough to write an article from. Mr.Z-man 18:05, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- No that's not how it works.
- You go by what information you have. Just because there isn't a large sum of information (See
- Delete and redirect to 4chan if people really want it as a search term. No news articles to be seen - just blog entries. The only close to reliable source I can see is the guardianuk blog entry which, if you read it, is basically not about her but about the 4chan reaction to it as are most, if not all of the rest. This is not a boxxy meme but another 4chan one. All of the needed information can be in the 4chan article - we do not need, and do not have the sources for, this flash-in-the-pan 16ish yr old. She has zero notability outside of the 4chan and subsequent activity - Peripitus (Talk) 09:32, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong keep We're going through this again? It is notable and meets all the requirements for an entry. This is not limited solely to one site and has been mentioned by various other sites, including the Guardian and Metro. Massive numbers of views on her videos and the copies of her videos on many sites, remixes, parodies, images, etc. Various blogs and YouTube/video based productions have mentions of it too. It's easily as worthy of documentation as various other similar entries. No reason to be snobby over this one. --92.19.116.17 (talk) 10:13, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete all sources are blogs (one of which is reliable) which is certainly not appropriate for biographical articles, making it violate many core wikipedia policies, including but not limited to: ]
- "How Boxxy brought the web to its knees" From The Guardian blog
- The only usable source, but still shouldn't be used on its own as it is a biographical article.
- "How Boxxy brought the web to its knees" From The Guardian blog
- It's not simply a biography, it's an article about the phenomenon, which he seems more interested in.--92.19.116.17 (talk) 12:59, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- "Meet Boxxy, Possibly the Most Batshit Crazy Person on YouTube" from inquisitr.com
- The fact the title is 'Meet Boxxy, Possibly the Most Batshit Crazy Person on YouTube' and the article is very short, and shows unmoderated comments like "FIND THIS CUNT GET HER ADDRESS AND NAME HER FAN FAGS WILLSTALK HER AND SHE WILL GO THE FUCK AWAY DO IT FAGGOTS" and also uses 'WTF' slang pretty much dismisses this as any kind of reliable source.
- "Meet Boxxy, Possibly the Most Batshit Crazy Person on YouTube" from
- Come on now, that is simply misleading. Judge the article, not the comments made by others. If I scribbled in the margins of your newspaper or spoke out comments to you after you read it that would not mean that the article was suddenly no longer valid. Wikipedia is often full of arguments and abuse in talk and user pages. That doesn't mean that the articles are all worthless or invalid. Attempting to pick out these quotes that aren't from the author is a low move. Discussion of a pieces does not change the piece itself. --92.19.116.17 (talk) 12:59, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- " Boxxy, or How A Teenage Girl May Destroy The Internet As We Know It Without Really Trying," from metro.co.uk
- This was looking like a somewhat usable source until the author decided to comply with anonymous' requests to replace all instances of ebaumsworld.
- This was looking like a somewhat usable source until the author decided to comply with anonymous' requests to replace all instances of
- " Boxxy, or How A Teenage Girl May Destroy The Internet As We Know It Without Really Trying," from
- Still perfectly valid.--92.19.116.17 (talk) 12:59, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Publication of the article in the interactive metro.co.uk doesn't make the original printed publication in Metro (Associated Metro Limited) any less notable or less reliable. --94.194.179.224 (talk) 15:15, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- "boxxybabee - the new Lonelygirl15?" from bannerblog.com
- 'bannerblog' authors full name: "Ashadi" oh and did you know my friend submitted this article via http://www.bannerblog.com.au/submit.php ?
- "boxxybabee - the new Lonelygirl15?" from bannerblog.com
- I have a friend that writes for a newspaper. I don't think having a friend makes you invalid as a source. ;) I think I know what you're trying to say, but you have to be clear.--92.19.116.17 (talk) 12:59, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- "From emo to bemos" from marketingfacts.nl
- emo/bemo bad translation? also from reading a translation from their about page it seems to say they are not responsible for any content on any blogs and are the personal opinions of the author. So just another user user-submitted blog.
- So, my name is Boxxy… from marketingfacts.nl (again)
- this article is the 3rd most popular this week with "Viewed: 9786 times", showing what kind of visitors visit the site and how popular it is. also see above.
- "From emo to bemos" from marketingfacts.nl
- That would seem like a snobby and cheap strawman attack. Nothing to do with the article. You're attacking the readership now with these swipes. Tsk. Please stick to the main issues rather than make veiled insults towards the readers. At the least it's not very nice. I do agree with your concerns over that segment though and feel that Dutch readers would be better off to judge it than bad machine translations and guessing from those who cannot read it. You clearly have difficulty understanding it and therefore have difficulty judging its fitness for this use. A tricky issue.--92.19.116.17 (talk) 12:59, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- "Foxy Boxxy : celle qui parle pour ne rien dire" from madmoizelle.com
- Another strange title and tiny article. Reads like a blog, also doesn't appear to contain any real authors name. Pretty sure this is just another user submitted blog.
- "Foxy Boxxy : celle qui parle pour ne rien dire" from madmoizelle.com
- Hey now! It isn't the size that counts. It's how you use it. ;) Again, I share similar concerns as mentioned with the previous site.--92.19.116.17 (talk) 12:59, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- 4Chan.org Threatened By Internet War Against Boxxy from dtgeeks.com
- Written by 'Jay', spelling mistakes/bad grammar, unprofessional babbling etc. Yep, just another tech-blog.
- 4Chan.org Threatened By Internet War Against Boxxy from dtgeeks.com
- I believe this one isn't one of the big ones, either. Again, similar concerns.--92.19.116.17 (talk) 12:59, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- In summary, all the sources are blogs most likely written by browsers of ]
- For the metro and Guardian examples these were certainly not user submitted blogs and are hosted by the websites of print newspapers.--92.19.116.17 (talk) 12:59, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Because someone browses 4chan does not make them invalid to document what happened. A lot of this happened on 4chan, but most of it didn't. The whole internet was involved here, right down to talk) 20:13, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- No, it is only notable to a select few internet users, mainly ]
- That is a load of BS. I am not affiliated with anonymous and it is notable to me, neither is sxePhil or his subscribers or most of the millions of others who have seen her videos on her account and the other mirrors that host her videos. You are really stretching there. Also internet or not, two hundred thousand people is a LOT of people. Right now there are 217,058 views, that is 8,396 people wanting to know about Boxxy in just over 12 hours. I am quoting these numbers because it is an encyclopedia that people are looking her up at. As stated below, the readers interests should be taken into consideration here. Wikipedia policy contradicts itself from one policy to another in many circumstances. There are far more trivial and less notable articles on this site with far fewer sources. --talk) 19:06, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- 200,000 hits is nothing on an internet with 1 billion users, ]
- Two hundred and thirthy thousand now actually. Off the record, on a site explaining an event and having nothing to do with the meme itself, that is huge. Especially for 2 weeks time. I am willing to bet there are many more articles that have been here for a lot longer that don't have close to that. It is obvious that this is a matter of certain people not liking anything that has to do with the internet. The fact that this VfD has gotten this many responses is enough to prove notability. Wikipedia is serious business.--talk) 21:12, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Encyclopedia Dramatica is totally unrelated to 4chan and internet memes? Yeah, right. Mr.Z-man 00:22, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Now that you have brought this discussion on a tangent, talk) 20:28, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Now that you have brought this discussion on a tangent,
- Encyclopedia Dramatica is totally unrelated to 4chan and internet memes? Yeah, right. Mr.Z-man 00:22, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Two hundred and thirthy thousand now actually. Off the record, on a site explaining an event and having nothing to do with the meme itself, that is huge. Especially for 2 weeks time. I am willing to bet there are many more articles that have been here for a lot longer that don't have close to that. It is obvious that this is a matter of certain people not liking anything that has to do with the internet. The fact that this VfD has gotten this many responses is enough to prove notability. Wikipedia is serious business.--
- 200,000 hits is nothing on an internet with 1 billion users, ]
- That is a load of BS. I am not affiliated with anonymous and it is notable to me, neither is sxePhil or his subscribers or most of the millions of others who have seen her videos on her account and the other mirrors that host her videos. You are really stretching there. Also internet or not, two hundred thousand people is a LOT of people. Right now there are 217,058 views, that is 8,396 people wanting to know about Boxxy in just over 12 hours. I am quoting these numbers because it is an encyclopedia that people are looking her up at. As stated below, the readers interests should be taken into consideration here. Wikipedia policy contradicts itself from one policy to another in many circumstances. There are far more trivial and less notable articles on this site with far fewer sources. --
- No, it is only notable to a select few internet users, mainly ]
- DeleteThe only link that is reliable is the Guardian blog and that is still just a blog. Maybe it deserves an expanded mention on the WP:1E it doesn't deserver a page of it's own at the moment. Alberon (talk) 11:06, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- The Guardian is not "just a blog". It is held to a higher editorial standard as part of a reputable news outlet. It is also written by the Guardian's technology correspondent in an official capacity, not a hyperactive teen with too much time on his hands in between classes. It's wrong to lump him in with every other nobody's website on the internet. I'll be waiting to see where this latest celebrity twist goes.--92.19.116.17 (talk) 12:59, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I read the Guardian's website on a daily basis and I do know who writes the blog in question. However it isn't enough to save the Wiki page. Even if the other blog links were notable (which they're not) it still doesn't address the problem of violating WP:1E. A mention on the 4chan page is all this minor fad deserves at the moment. That might change in the future, but at the moment it doesn't deserve a page of its own. Alberon (talk) 14:11, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- That is your interpretation of what the Guardian is, then. We could argue about the credibility of said blog, however when it comes down to the fact, most people will recognize the Guardian as a credible source for the citation of an internet meme. I honestly don't see the necessity of having a universally agreed on citation for it's credibility when we are discussing any meme--if Wikipedia does not support internet culture, then I welcome you to delete every article dealing with such. You can start with Tay Zonday. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.166.35.201 (talk) 18:02, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I DO recognise the Guardian Blog as a usuable source, but it's the only one on that page that is and that isn't enough. Otherwise this is just one-event story so far and Wikipedia is not intended to document every little piece of news. If this meme has legs then the page can be remade, but as it stands it doesn't really deserve anything more than a section on the 4chan page. Tay Zonday is an example of a internet meme that had legs and has kept going in a D-list celebrity way so he, sadly, deserves a page. Maybe Boxxy will go the same way. Far too early to tell yet. Alberon (talk) 20:32, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- The reason why it does not have many notable sources, or (as you say) "legs," is because it is a relatively new internet meme. Give it another month...if nothing happens with this then I would have to agree with a deletion of this article. However my reasoning is why delete the article when it will most likely be made again? I feel one notable source is enough for something in which has potential of picking up more notable sources. Of course, you could also argue that the article could be restored if it did get more. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.166.35.201 (talk) 02:44, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- We seem to agree that as it currently stands it doesn't deserve a Wiki page. That may change and if it does I'll fully support the page. But I do feel in general it's best to delete pages like this and then recreate later rather than leave a load of pages lying around which shouldn't be there. There's a comment further down this page calling for the page to be salted and I definitly do not support that. Alberon (talk) 08:54, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I read the Guardian's website on a daily basis and I do know who writes the blog in question. However it isn't enough to save the Wiki page. Even if the other blog links were notable (which they're not) it still doesn't address the problem of violating
- Erect keep She's really cute I don't know and I like her better than Cracky Chan. -- Femmina (talk) 12:25, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - Erect keep? talk) 14:48, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - Erect keep?
- Keep - seems notable enough for me. A lot of very worthy sources, such as the Guardian and the Metro. Tris2000 (talk) 14:26, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep- I wouldn't have voted in the DRV to allow re-creation if I didn't think the article was of good enough quality to pass muster. Also, keep in mind, this article is about the meme, not the person, so I think BLP isn't as applicable in this case as it could be if it were just about the girl. That, plus the fact that the article is pretty well sourced, means its an obvious keeper. Umbralcorax (talk) 14:59, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Respectfully, I don't think it is. In much the same way that rickrolling is not about Rick Astley, but rather a video that happens to have Rick Astley in it. The meme is seperate from the man in that case, and I think the same holds true here. Umbralcorax (talk) 20:44, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Respectfully, I don't think it is. In much the same way that
- Keep. The Guardian and Metro blogs satisfy the requirements for newspaper blogs in BLP do apply to the article; they should be resolved not by article deletion, but by the immediate removal of any inadequately-sourced contentious material about a living person from the article. I have trimmed some material, and I encourage others to do the same if they have further BLP concerns. Baileypalblue (talk) 15:27, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Utterly Strong Keep. People voting for a delete verdict do not know how the internet works. For those of you in favor for deleting, you might as well delete Tay Zonday. Boxxy has become a solid internet meme, and has only done it in a matter of 1 weeks time. While I can understand this seems like a meme that will quickly die away, I can assure you it will not. The admins and users of 4chan hope it dies out...but they already know the end to this story: Boxxy is staying, and I can assure you that she will be popping up in mainstream any time now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.166.35.201 (talk) 17:53, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- ]
- It's already popular and covered by a few notable sources, so this is hardly a case of WP:ATA#CRYSTAL. Boxxy is a perfect example of a person becoming popular on the internet without any reason whatsoever. What I was stating in my "Utterly Strong Keep" comment was that she would most likely be popping up in the mainstream, because as of yet, she has not. And I also doubt that the validity of articles on Wikipedia is dictated by whether or not they have hit the mainstream yet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.166.35.201 (talk) 18:46, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- No, you are assuring us that she will get more popular, that is a prediction/assumption aka using a crystal ball.--]
- It's already popular and covered by a few notable sources, so this is hardly a case of
- Delete BLP1E Sceptre (talk) 18:19, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per Otterathome and Chasingsol, per ]
- Comment - In the case of talk) 05:12, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- ]
- I'm making a comparison of two similar BLP articles, that are both built around ONE event. talk) 15:59, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- As a further note, talk) 16:05, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Well it's a terrible comparison, you are comparing someone to emergency landed a plane of 150 people to someone who speaks to a camera, one received international media attention (compare the sources), whilst the other got mentioned in ]
- As true as that is, talk) 16:53, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Not really, users must provide sources to prove the subject has had widespread coverage, 1 blog and 1 small paragraph in a newspaper isn't widespread coverage.--]
- I don't recall talk) 17:06, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- That is a general guideline for all articles, this article doesn't meet any of the additional criteria of ]
- I don't recall
- As true as that is,
- I'm making a comparison of two similar BLP articles, that are both built around ONE event.
- Comment - In the case of
- Delete gb2Talk 18:39, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - Sounds more or less like your vote is influenced by talk) 05:12, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - Sounds more or less like your vote is influenced by
- Keep per Baileypalblue: The Meme aspect overrides the Bio aspect (i.e., I would agree with WP:RECENT is an opinion, and not a deletion policy. --KGF0 ( T | C ) 19:28, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment We're in discussion of the Boxxy internet meme rather than Boxxy as a person... so I don't feel WP:BLP applies, but WP:WEB would. FlyingToaster 19:33, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as yet another non-notable evanescent 4chan fad. And to everyone saying "utterly strong keep" — get a sense of perspective, please. --Cyde Weys 20:25, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- KEEP SHE HAS 400000 ON GOOGLE AND IS STORMING YOUTUBE boxxy deserves to have a page =p — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.54.92.21 (talk)
- Restoring misplaced vote by IP. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 20:56, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Another ]
- Keep I'd say she qualifies as a notable internet meme.... although as a comment I'm just going to say after watching two of her videos she seems absolutely insane. --talk) 20:57, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- KEEP - Boxxybabee is an important youtube and 4chan icon and really deserves her own page. Vileplume's Narcotics factory Wanna get high? 22:12, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- That sounds like ]
- Delete. Just some kid rambling on. "So bad its good" does not apply. — RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 22:18, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom and per talk) 22:31, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Keep Certainly a notable internet meme that has a had profound impact on the internet culture, including the culture of 4chan, which was recently a featured article. few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
- Delete Subject may appear to be notable to those with a particular and very narrow range of experience, but clearly doesn't meet Wikipedia inclusion guidelines. Peacock (talk) 00:33, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - adequately covered by 4chan. PhilKnight (talk) 01:05, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - Too many notable sources. Are you ready for IPv6? (talk) 01:32, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, and they are mostly red links. So obviously not notable.--]
- Those ones are already in the article. None of them are reliable sources, and most are blatantly inappropriate for a BLP, except for the Guardian blog (which barely qualifies). Mr.Z-man 14:47, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- There seems to be a consensus that The Guardian source is ok, however there is lack of agreement regarding the other sources. In all seriousness, I don't think we should use a source that uses a phrase such as 'batshit crazy' in the title, especially in a BLP. The Metro source appears to get its basic facts wrong. I fail to see how anyone can believe the bannerblog is a reliable source. I think the MadmoiZelle article is just about usable. This seems to imply the marketing facts articles are user generated, which is a shame, because they at least get their facts right. Overall, I don't consider that between The Guardian and MadmoiZelle there is significant coverage. PhilKnight (talk) 15:14, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - What's the difference between this page and Ellen Feiss' page? God, if this is non-notable, you may as well delete 2/3 of Wikipedia. 78.32.228.17 (talk) 04:15, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete and salt per nominator and WP:BIO and I can see stuff cropping up about this for years to come. Matty (talk) 05:04, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Well about the one event stuff, well Boxxy wasn't just a single event, but several. Her videos being made, people responding, more videos she made, then stuff on 4chan, then the 4chan DDoS. So it's a couple events. Are you ready for IPv6? (talk) 06:41, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep A few days ago I was trying to figure out who boxxy was. I hadn't been paying attention, but I had heard the name enough to look her up. I was disappointed at the lack of information on wikipedia. The page had been deleted at that time, and even as I looked through previous versions, the page hadn't really been allowed to grow. Wikipedia is my go to source for any and all information, whether it's important information or not. I was disappointed that feelings about a person/personality got in the way of the distribution of information. That is why we're here, isn't it? Whether you like her or not, her channel has almost 29,000 subscribers and is the #1 most subscribed channel this month on youtube. Flash in the pan or not, she is notable enough to drive curiosity, which should be enough reason to keep the page up. Annoyance should not be a viable excuse for censorship.Wiseblueberry (talk) 06:44, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- ]
- Keep. I agree with Wiseblueberry that we should pay more attention to serving the interests of our readers than to parsing detailed notability guidelines. In response to Peripitus, I agree that Boxxy gained attention in large part because of the 4chan reaction, but that wasn't the exclusive source (I doubt 4chan generated all those YouTube views). In any event, packing this information into the 4chan article would be too much detail on one incident; better to have it as a separate article linked to from the 4chan article. JamesMLane t c 08:29, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- keep. two 3rd party reliable sources. plenty of evidence of notability. Jessi1989 (talk) 12:50, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Evidently notable. The Guardian article is fine as a source. Colonel Warden (talk) 13:19, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep If we have sources, then this isnt a BIG Problem. Its just one article, not like it matters that much anyway. Might as well get over it and Keep it. M.H.True Romance iS Dead 14:53, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Just a comment, since I'm tired of arguing notability and whatnot.. Wikipedia was founded on the idea of "free access to the sum of all human knowledge", and since we 'know' of this topic and are having such a fun time discussing it's place in Wikipedia, it's clearly a part of 'human knowledge', to an extent. Again, just a comment. talk) 17:48, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- So is what I had for lunch today (an Italian sub, corn chips, and Dr. Pepper). Its part of my knowledge, I'm a human, ergo, its human knowledge. If I had taken a picture of it and uploaded it to the internet, it would be verifiable too. (I should've taken a video and uploaded it to YouTube, then all I have to do is have people spam it on 4chan until they get mad, and my lunch gets an article!) Mr.Z-man 18:06, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- The "sum of all human knowledge" certainly has exceptions. You might want to familiarize yourself with previous AfD's. Quite a few articles have been deleted on the alleged basis that they were unsourced, and it's likely that such articles did have unsourced statements in them. These include General Mayhem and the infamous Gay Nigger Association of America article, which was deleted after its 18th nomination for deletion and had even been nominated to be a featured article in the past. I honestly think that such topics are notable enough for an article and that good sources could be found to build an article, albeit possibly a smaller one. (Look at the original copy of the GNAA article at [26].) However, I honestly think that deletion of articles such as these is the result of a vendetta by certain administrators and other figures within the Wikipedia community. Scootey (talk) 20:36, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for the link. I went looking for the GNAA article a few months ago and didn't find it. --Boston (talk) 22:27, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment This looks like it is going to be another one where people demand again and again and again to get it deleted, like the GNAA article (and a few other such examples). If the deletionists don't like the result, they'll just cry about it 17 times or more until they finally get lucky and have it all their way again rather than actually respect a decision (made 16 times before) and then finally jump on that and pretend that single 1/16+ rulings is somehow more important and valid. Tsk. No reasonable person would think this is right. Thank God they don't let the justice system work like that. Madness.--92.20.103.131 (talk) 08:16, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for the link. I went looking for the
- Keep. It fits WP:WEB criterium no.1 pretty solidly, and it's absolutely notable. I agree with who said that people claiming it's not notable simply don't know how (a large part of) the Internet works today. Two million hits in a few days are non notable? How many books, movies etc. do we list that have been read/seen by much less people in a much larger period of time? --Cyclopia (talk) 20:40, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- 1 blog and a small paragraph in a newspaper? I don't think so.--]
- Keep I think the whole matter is deplorable, but its notable anyway. The Guardian article especially is a full editorially controlled feature article on it, and, along with the other sources that's enough. The picture should be deleted immediate per Do no harm. DGG (talk) 22:23, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- How can the image do any more harm than a picture of a teenage actress? Talk 23:29, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- There are more criteria involved than notability. In its current state, only of the sources is acceptable for use and nobody has been able to provide any more. One blog post is not enough to make an article with. Mr.Z-man 02:06, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- How can the image do any more harm than a picture of a teenage actress?
- Delete. Per ]
- I agree with much of the above that the article should be deleted as WP:BLP1E. If this is kept, however, I do strongly agree with DGG about deleting the image. seresin ( ¡? ) 03:47, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete it's only 4channers talking about her, really. Ash link (talk) 06:56, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Actually, the meme is making the rounds at Fark/Totalfark now too, which is how I first heard of her. Umbralcorax (talk) 15:18, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, but remove any unnecessary biography. There is no need for an article about Boxxy-the-person, there is every need for an article about "the Boxxy wars". This was a notable incident in internet culture and has been covered by multiple independent reliable sources. Kyz (talk) 14:53, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep notable internet meme, but yes, remove biographical information about the girl herself. Jumble Jumble (talk) 20:02, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment The video seems like an adult pretending to be a child, like an acting exercise. I finally figured out that it was reminding me of Lily Tomlin playing her precocious child character "Edith Ann," complete with eye rolling and squirming [27]. Is this a character like Edith Ann, or is it supposed to be the adult in her normal mode of expression? That might make a difference in what guideline is applied, other than "meme," which is not always convincing, being almost by definition a transient phenomenon. Edison (talk) 20:37, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Yes, it's a fad on 4chan, for better or worse. However Boxxy is reaching the popularity once possessed by lonelygirl, and the article is reliably sourced, so it's a keeper. 76.247.137.253 (talk) 21:42, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak Keep - Unfortunately notable, even if silly. Rlendog (talk) 22:12, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Egh, another 4chan meme? List of "sources" debunked above; BLP concerns as noted by several as well. GlassCobra 22:36, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, seems to have received enough attention to warrant an article. Everyking (talk) 22:41, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, notability from Guardian. Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:43, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong delete; absolutely not notable in internet culture. The fact that the Guardian mention it means little because (with no disrespect meant) they're as clued up on internet culture as a few of the keep voters here. She'll be forgotten about in a month, easily. I won't object a redirect to ]
- Delete. I was waiting for Giggy to say his piece, as I trust his judgement on 4chan-related material. If he says it's NN, I believe him. – ]
- So you know nothing about it and aren't even bothering to make your own opinion?--92.22.164.17 (talk) 06:59, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- No; I think it should be deleted but if Giggy had found reasons to keep it, I have enough respect for his specialist knowledge to treat any keep arguments he would come up with seriously. Since even he doesn't have a reason to keep it, confirms my belief that a valid keep argument doesn't exist. – ]
- Keep The arguments for keeping this seem fair to me. It is certainly notable and precedents have been set.--92.20.103.131 (talk) 08:16, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Conviced by the arguments for keeping it, since it wouldn't be the first of his kind to be kept as an article here. Dreamblack (talk) 15:56, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep BLP doesn't really apply if it's about a meme rather than a person and Guardian plus metro.co.uk alone guarantee notability. Btw has anyone tried looking for more sources?--few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
- Strong delete - I honestly do not get the whole "the image should be deleted per 'do no harm'" comments, but this is a non-notable 4chan fad, something which often occurs due to the very nature of 4chan. The Grauniad are about as adept at percieving and writing about internet culture as Bush is at pub quizzes. This page has ]
- He's a respected writer and the Guardian's technology correspondent. It still falls within his purview. I'd take opinion over most others. Similarly I'd consider Bush's opinions and thoughts on politics perfectly valid as someone who is clearly in a position to give expert opinion or write on the subject, whether you happened to disagree with his opinions or have a personal grudge against him or not.--92.22.164.17 (talk) 06:59, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Courtesy edit break
- Delete fadish crap not worth wasting time on. No evidence of lasting significance.--Scott Mac (Doc) 00:43, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete unencyclopedic rubbish. YellowMonkey (click here to vote for world cycling's #1 model!) 04:12, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Just like the "world cycling's #1 model!", I'd say. Same goes for a lot of Wikipedia. Of course, it was never run as a print encyclopaedia anyway.--92.22.164.17 (talk) 06:59, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Keep After the 4chan incidents, it has become a part of Internet's history. Must be keep. Counter pistol (talk) 05:26, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - trivial episode that is not now notable (no reliable sources to indicate that) and is almost certain to be forgotten very quickly. Making three videos, I remind those voting "keep", generally should not entitle one to a place in an encyclopedia. We are, after all (or at least some of us strive to be), an encyclopedia, not tabloid trash. Fails WP:BLP1E, etc., regardless of "the 4chan incidents". - Biruitorul Talk 07:05, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Keep An important article relative to other internet memes. It is an ongoing event for which I believe many people are interested. --Rishiboy (talk) 09:13, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Your "belief" about what "interests" "many people" is irrelevant here. Show us the independent third-party sources demonstrating that, and then you'll have a leg to stand on. - Biruitorul Talk 15:57, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete this unnencyclopedic trivia. 4chan and other juveniles can play their reindeer games wherever they like, except here. Fails: talk) 15:21, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - Quite a bit of what I see here basically boils down to WP:NOTNEWS, until we can determine if the subject will indeed become notable in the long-term, or if this is just a passing phase. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 16:21, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- All three of the given sources are blogs, thus violating ]
- I'm not sure about that third link for the obvious reasons, but the Guardian is most certainly not a blog. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 18:07, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Let me know when your blog is printed in a newspaper and distributed to 1.36 million readers Kyz (talk) 20:00, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- So far, no one has been able to find any real news coverage, or anything better than a blog. The Guardian source is close, but as it stands, its basically the only source anyone has been able to find that could be considered reliable. RECENT and NOTNEWS aren't the only policies this doesn't meet. Other than the Manual of style, I'm not sure what polcies or guidelines this does meet. It sure fails WP:BLP pretty terribly. Lolcat had articles in Time magazine and the Wall Street Journal. The lolcat article alone has more than 3 times as many sources as Boxxy gets in a Google news search. Lolcat also doesn't have potential BLP issues. Joe the Plumber isn't an internet meme (a mainstream news meme?) so its not quite as comparable, but it still has plenty of available reliable sources. Mr.Z-man 17:57, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- As previously noted, newspaper blogs qualify as reliable sources per ]
- All three of the given sources are blogs, thus violating ]
- There's no reason we should have an article on this individual. Fifteen minutes of fame do not justify an article on an person who will pass from memory in another fifteen minutes. — Carl (]
- Delete The Guardian and Metro are using the same article, so there is only one source. And the Guardian has published it on a section about internet curiosities. We should really wait until/if more good sources pick it up. --Enric Naval (talk) 20:30, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- The Guardian and Metro cites are two different articles, written by different authors -- is it possible you clicked on the same link twice, accidentally? Baileypalblue (talk) 21:15, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep based upon the Guardian and Metro articles being reliable sources. Just because both describe themselves as blogs, it doesn't mean we have to treat them as such. I sometimes think there is a fashion to have something called a blog. "Some newspapers host interactive columns that they call blogs, and these may be acceptable as sources so long as the writers are professionals and the blog is subject to the newspaper's full editorial control." per WP:BLP. It seems that unfortunately many of the delete voters are not aware that blogs aren't immediately considered inappropriate to use as sources. It also seems that a number don't understand the notability isn't temporary. Adambro (talk) 21:51, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Subject is notable, well-known (on the internet at least), and reported in news sources. Captain panda 21:53, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete The Guardian source is the musings of an opinion columnist, which doesn't meet WP:RS#News organizations. The Metro source is for a section entitled "Stuff we found down the back of the internet", so I hardly think that meets the criteria for a news source! The rest seem to be blogs and so forth, so I'd have to say this article counts as unsourced and therefore doesn't meet BLP. Orpheus (talk) 22:37, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 08:15, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Sam Maestas
- Sam Maestas (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
This article was apparently originally submitted to Wikinews by an anonymous user; though the individual seems to have some admirable accomplishments, the article reads as an autobiography, and the sole independent source I could find was a passing mention in People magazine. Jfire (talk) 05:55, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete non-notable. I'm not finding sources to demonstrate notability beyond the passing mention in People noted by Jfire. Moreover, the article creator has discussed Maestas' life in loving detail, but comes up with only two notability claims that even merit consideration: founder of a non-notable local community organization, and member of the Hall of Fame of a two-year community college. If the article creator, who probably knows more about Maestas than we ever could, can't find any better evidence of notability, I'd say there is none to be found. Baileypalblue (talk) 18:02, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete Insufficient notability per guidelines. ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:10, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - as the article creator of record, this was a transwiki from en.Wikinews (prior to any formal transwiki process,) originally posted there anonymously. The material was inappropriate for that project, and I have no opinion as to its status on en.wp nor do I have any personal knowledge whatsoever of the subject. - Amgine (talk) 11:53, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 08:15, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
National church
- National church (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
This article purports to describe a "national church" as "a church organization in Christianity that claims pastoral jurisdiction over a nation", but not the same thing as an
- Weak Keep - when I look back at the orignal article in 2005 the parts of the opening paragraphs in the current version made sense and just needed tagging for provision of sources. The accretions of 3.5 years have turned the article into a mish-mash of a list but it needs cleaning up rather than deleting. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 07:05, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. This is just OR and most of the content I know about is just wrong. For example, in the lists, for Scotland, the Church of Scotland is the the established church there. In Australia, I have never heard of the those churches having this national thrust. Unless the basic concept can be well sourced, there is no point in trying to clean it up.--Bduke (Discussion) 10:20, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Apparently, this is a list based on a category Category:National churches that Wikipedia uses as a label for an organization of churches within an individual nation. The category seems to have that label for lack of a better title. However, it's a gigantic and unwarranted leap to say that a church organization claims "pastoral jurisdiction" over the nation, though sometimes it seems that way, as with the Southern Baptist Convention. At best, they have some control over whether a church continues to be in an association. If I'm not mistaken, even the Vatican has individual dioceses by cities, rather than for an entire nation (in other words, there is no Archbishop of the U.S.A.). Mandsford (talk) 17:11, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete The article appears to confuse issues relating to theocracy and diocese. talk) 00:42, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. The terminology is unclear; the sharpest definition of what is at stake is found in state religion. There is nothing to merge here, and other nominators are quite right in pointing out the OR-aspect of the application of this ill-defined term to the world map. Drmies (talk) 04:22, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. MBisanz talk 08:15, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The Cooters
- The Cooters (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
Failure to cite sources. Written as an advertisement. Relevance. DeviantSolution (talk) 05:38, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Unfortunately. It does meet WP:MUSIC as they apparently had 2 albums on the Profane Existence label. Notability is another issue in that, well, not many people I know have ever heard of them and we live here in the band's home state of Mississippi. - ✰ALLST☆R✰ echo 06:35, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Notable via releases and coverage.--Michig (talk) 07:16, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Possibly needs to be rewritten, but they have the notability to keep the page. Alberon (talk) 11:10, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep None of the reasons cited above are valid reasons for deletion. The article's already tagged for cleanup. Artist meets ]
- Keep: Passes ]
- Delete Fails talk) 22:38, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, multiple albums released on ]
- Comment having work published on an Independent Label does not pass WP:MUSIC#C5because:
- they have not had credit for writing or co-writing either lyrics or music for a notable composition.
- they have not written musical theatre of some sort that was performed in a notable theatre that had a reasonable run as such things are judged in their particular situation and time.
- they have not had a work used as the basis for a later composition by a songwriter, composer or lyricist who meets the above criteria.
- they have not written a song or composition which has won in a major music competition not established expressly for newcomers.
- they have not been listed as a major influence or teacher of a composer, songwriter or lyricist that meets the above criteria.
- they have not appeared at a reasonable length in standard reference books on his or her genre of music.
- You are way wrong. All criteria 5 says is "Has released two or more albums on a major label or one of the more important indie labels (i.e. an independent label with a history of more than a few years and a roster of performers, many of which are notable." Schuym1 (talk) 23:13, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. — Aitias // discussion 01:05, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Quog
- Quog (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
This term is hardly in common usage (compare to "blog"), and indeed a quick search via Google yields no meaningful or obvious references to the term "quog" as described in the article until the 4th page [28]. There are no references provided. Therefore, delete. TheFeds 05:37, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as ]
- Delete ]
- Delete per talk) 22:39, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to Dreams Come True. MBisanz talk 08:15, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Takahiro Nishikawa
- Takahiro Nishikawa (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
He is an unnotable keyboardist per
- Redirect to Dreams Come True.--Michig (talk) 07:19, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect I disagree with the nominator that notability isn't inherited from bands by musicians (since it works to the other way around), but since this article lists no new information, there's no reason to keep it. - Mgm|(talk) 10:24, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete: no substantial 3rd party notability. talk) 04:00, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- Redirect to Dreams Come True. Insufficient notability to justify article in own right. --DAJF (talk) 10:58, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect to WP:BEFORE. No reason at all for this discussion, as the redirect is spelled out quite plainly. Neier (talk) 23:31, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. — Aitias // discussion 21:03, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Claudia Rodrigue
- Claudia Rodrigue (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
Delete. Fails
- Delete. Nothing to indicate notability criteria are met and no coverage found.--Michig (talk) 07:18, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - notability not established --Boston (talk) 16:08, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete: Fails ]
- Delete because it fails talk) 22:41, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, article fails to establish notability per ]
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The result was merge to ]
Other ethnic group (United Kingdom Census)
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Is this even an ethnic group? The correct answer is no. It is basically part of the 2001 census results which have already been scattered in other ethnic articles. Therefore, it is redundant and non-notable as an ethic group because it isn't "real". Tavix (talk) 05:33, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge with 2001_UK_Census. As a constituent part of that article, the information here is relevant and factual and should be preserved.--S Marshall Talk/Cont 11:36, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge as per above. However, I would like to see somewhere on the 2001_UK_Census page a reference to the fact that almost half a million people gave their religion as "Jedi Knights" on the census. Tris2000 (talk) 14:33, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment The nom is wrong in saying it isn't an ethnic group. It's a choice for someone who doesn't consider themselves to fall within the ethnic groups listed on a census form - IE any other group. Lugnuts (talk) 19:14, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I should probably make my self clear: This isn't a single ethic group, but the title for a bunch of minor ethnic groups merged together for census puposes. Tavix (talk) 19:21, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Please--this isn't the place to get into a detailed discussion of ethnicity or ethnic groups. We only need to consider the article, which is about a single check box on a British census in 2001.--S Marshall Talk/[[Special:Contributions/S
Marshall|Cont]] 21:36, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
- Keep-- The subject of this article was an important part of the 2001 census and sources are available to establish notability, G.Books. The nominator is right, this article is not about an ethic group but the "230,615 people in the UK that ticked the 'Other Ethnic Group' box." --J.Mundo (talk) 02:33, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge with United Kingdom Census 2001. The article contains useful information which should be kept, but I don't think it's necessary for it to have its own article. The census articles could do with being consolidated into one. Cordless Larry (talk) 09:56, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 08:14, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Matthew 'Matt' Graham
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- Delete. Fails WP:FICT on all accounts, no sources for verification / validity. MrShamrock (talk) 05:32, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - notability not established --Boston (talk) 16:07, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge, into a suitable article or list of minor characters. Such should be the default way to deal with these, and it does not take AfD. There is obviously no justification for a full article. DGG (talk) 17:35, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete: non-notable character talk) 03:26, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. — Aitias // discussion 01:58, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Hummer Time (truck)
- Hummer Time (truck) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
I really am not seeing the notability. Its just a big truck, not notably expensive or special. No coverage in reliable sources. Icewedge (talk) 05:17, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete no evidence of notability. JJL (talk) 05:22, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete I am in the process of doing the same thing. I have found that individual monster trucks (for the most part) are not notable, and this one is no exception. Delete as there are little to no reliable independent sources for the truck. Tavix (talk) 05:38, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. — Aitias // discussion 01:13, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Atlanta indians baseball
- Atlanta indians baseball (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
Non-notable local amateur baseball team. FCSundae ∨☃ (talk) 04:43, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom. The team belongs to a recreational league. Clarityfiend (talk) 07:39, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete We're not the website for the Atlanta "Saturday league". Mandsford (talk) 17:14, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy delete per
]Fear Everything
- Fear Everything (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
I am unsure about the notability of this album, Google turns up few results and the band which made it dosent even have its own article.
- A9 since band doesn't have article, it's that simple. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 04:50, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- A9 it! Tavix (talk) 05:39, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. (
]Loren D. Hagen
- Loren D. Hagen (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
Similar to
- Keep Medal of honor winner is obviously notable. Edward321 (talk) 05:31, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep The Medal of Honor is the US's highest military decoration, and I believe the practice here is that a nation's highest decoration indicates notability. News coverage of such awards is almost always substantial, even if it may be hard to find for older awards. Hagen is no exception - about a dozen gnews hits - surely there are more from the time of the award not archived at gnews.John Z (talk) 06:13, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Just because they happen to be dead, doesn't make it a memorial. Getting a country's highest military award makes someone notable. - Mgm|(talk) 10:20, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Obviously notable – to assist in understanding why, I suggest a close reading of Medal of Honor (which also states "Because of the nature of its criteria, the medal is often awarded posthumously"). --CliffC (talk) 12:41, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep although I can understand the nominator's reservations. Bear in mind that Wikipedia policy considers (for example) every player in the history of professional sports "inherently notable" as well. --Boston (talk) 15:52, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was merge to Max Magician and the Legend of the Rings. MBisanz talk 08:12, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Legend of the Rings
- Legend of the Rings (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
Fails notability as i cannot find any reviews, it is not listed on the two big game sites that i searched, GameSpot and IGN. Only external link is broken and there are no references for the article. Game is also only "sold at small convenience stores" Salavat (talk) 03:59, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- I'm going to say Delete or Merge with the film based on the game, if that is indeed the case, as after searching for reliable sources to prove the game's notability, I couldn't find anything useful. Most of what came up were just product listings. talk) 16:07, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm going to say Delete or Merge with the film based on the game, if that is indeed the case, as after searching for reliable sources to prove the game's notability, I couldn't find anything useful. Most of what came up were just product listings.
- Delete No indication of notability. No reliable sources. It is a low budget (based on price, is retailing for ~$3) by a relinked company. Icewedge (talk) 05:06, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I know the game and I'm surprised no one has yet turned up any evidence of notability. The claim it sold in small stores is not really relevant. Because that wasn't the only outlet selling the game. I'll see if I can dig something up and I'd appreciate it if someone else with access to paper sources do a search too. It is a DOS game from the early days of the internet which may have led to a lack of internet presence. - Mgm|(talk) 10:19, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I searched offline sources, but couldn't find anything that mentioned this game. I used search terms that included '"Legend of the Rings"', '"Legend of the Rings" Sterling', etc. talk) 16:05, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- The article states that an alternate title is
Magi of the Rings. The MobyGames entry under the alternate title says that the game was "chosen by Computer Gaming World as the Best Puzzle game of the Year." I'm not sure they're talking about the same game though.talk) 19:17, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Ah, so the plot thickens. Even with the alternate name, though, I found only four news articles mentioning it, each which were only listings of games that were recently released, nothing in-depth. So, I still consider it non-notable. talk) 19:25, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Ah, so the plot thickens. Even with the alternate name, though, I found only four news articles mentioning it, each which were only listings of games that were recently released, nothing in-depth. So, I still consider it non-notable.
- The article states that an alternate title is
- I searched offline sources, but couldn't find anything that mentioned this game. I used search terms that included '"Legend of the Rings"', '"Legend of the Rings" Sterling', etc.
- Merge to talk) 19:18, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I will agree to a merge if the film is based off of the game. talk) 19:26, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I will agree to a merge if the film is based off of the game.
- Delete Not notable and lacks references talk) 22:44, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge - doesn't seem much, but as there is a movie based off of it, it should be ]
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The result was delete. — Aitias // discussion 01:10, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Time 2 Find Those Hoes (Nate Dogg album)
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No sources supporting claim such as release of new album and tracklisitng; possibly false information Esanchez(Talk 2 me or Sign here) 03:41, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as a non-plausible search term, fails notability per ]
- Delete: notability not established talk) 03:56, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Upcoming albums titles can change, when it exists it might need an article but at the moment, no. hablo. 00:55, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy keep. Bad faith nomination. N Shar has disproven the claim only "bogus websites" cover the topic and Baileypalblue has provided the evidence of bad faith. Mgm|(talk) 10:14, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Evangelical Free Church of Canada
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No evidence for its existence other than bogus websites. Delete. D50qhx (talk) 02:42, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Given that I started this article about a year and a half ago, and I have just nominated Sisters of the Poor Child Ziko (created by nom) for deletion on notability grounds, it wouldn't take much more to convince me that this is a bad faith nomination. -- Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 03:29, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. I just found [31], which (being a Canadian government website) may help establish notability, if that is in question. --N Shar (talk · contribs) 04:07, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, Remember WP:GOODFAITH. There are plenty of sources out there, even if you don't use the internet. Tavix (talk) 04:43, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy Keep as bad-faith nomination; the circumstantial evidence is enough to overcome the presumption of good faith. User:D50qhx's first edit, at 21:24 1-26-2009, was the creation of Sisters of the Poor Child Ziko, an article about a religious organization co-founded by User:D50qhx's aunt. User:Blanchardb AfD'd it at 22:10; User:D50qhx repeatedly removed the AfD tag and was cited for vandalism by User:Renaissancee for an edit to the Sisters_of_the_Poor_Child_Ziko AfD. At 22:42, less than 90 minutes after the account was created, User:D50qhx started an AfD on the first article User:Blanchardb ever created, which happens to be an article about a religious organization. Coincidence? I think not. Conflict of interest disclosure: I commented on the Sisters of the Poor Child Ziko AfD, though I did not vote on it. Baileypalblue (talk) 05:46, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy close. because of GFDL concerns over potentially merged material if this was deleted. Mgm|(talk) 10:09, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Identified flying object
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No reason for such a short uninformative article to be on Wikipedia. It is just there to be a contrast to UFO, but identified flying objects are everywhere that everyone can recognize, without Wikipedia telling him what it is (planes, birds). Are we gonna have an article titled "known plants"? Wandering Courier (talk) 03:35, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment There is a lot that could be written about common explanations for UFOs - probably enough to justify a spinout article from Unidentified flying object, which is a huge topic. However, I agree that this current article is a bit silly. It might be best to just convert this into a redirect to Unidentified flying object. (The exact phrase "Identified flying object" is commonly seen in writings about UFOs, [32] so it's possible someone would use it as a search term.) Zagalejo^^^ 04:11, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]- Comment There is currently a dispute about the status of this article and whether or not the content should be merged with Unidentified Flying Object. In the previous revisions it has been a much longer article. We should probably wait for this dispute to be resolved before doing anything. --N Shar (talk · contribs) 04:13, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Appeal for speedy close. Look at the history, the article was stubbed after an edit war over merging with UFO describing investigations into UFO sightings in more detail than there is room for in the main article, but it needs a better title and a new lead paragraph. Not only is deletion the wrong course, but the nomination at this time is a mistake. Thatcher 04:24, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- No, I am not an expert in ufology nor do I investigate UFOs. What are the cause of the UFOs? I do not know and I am not in a position to find out. What is relevant, however, is that this article, for a reason or another, edit warring or inherent deficiency, is unable to develop into a useful guide. There is an article for UFO because of the "U", unidentified. We have articles on airplanes, spacecrafts, and so forth, and an independent article on "known" flying objects is unnecessary. If you say I have an agenda, I have a simple agenda: to make Wikipedia simple and and to reduce waste. Wandering Courier (talk) 04:57, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment if any of the content was merged away, then this is a speedy close 76.66.198.171 (talk) 07:02, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. This is nothing more than a definition, and Wikipedia is not a dictionary. Clarityfiend (talk) 07:52, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. — Aitias // discussion 01:08, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Quarterback Records
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Fails
- Delete No indication of notability. For anyone who plans to vote without bothering to read the article, it is not about passing records set by football quarterbacks. Mandsford (talk) 17:19, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- …which is the only thing I found when I typed in "Quarterback Records" in Google. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 20:42, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, fails notability per reliable, third-party, sources to establish notability. Esradekan Gibb "Talk" 22:49, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom. ArcAngel (talk) 00:42, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete: Per nom. Non notable label. – Nurmsook! talk... 19:07, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete.
Thomas Zeumer
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Delete Questionable notability and has become a ridiculous, laughable edit war. This should be speedy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FG Fox (talk • contribs) 23:50, January 22, 2009
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We have no idea if Zeumer's 'Metropolitan Models' is the real Paris agency that discovered Claudia Schiffer. Ref. 2 of our article doesn't give any evidence that this *American* Metropolitan Models is the same as either of the European ones. All it shows is that Zeumer was an executive of a New-York based modelling agency of that name. EdJohnston (talk) 02:42, 23 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]Most important is to remember that Metropolitan Germany is unrelated to Michel Levaton's legit agency in Paris (and don't get fooled by the German website which is a plagiat of the legit website, even the logo is imitated to fool people).
- Delete - unless we can verify something here, we must delete the whole mess. --Orange Mike | Talk 03:49, 23 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- Comment. These sources would appear to confirm the link to Claudia Schiffer. ]
- Comment. This is short enough that rewriting is not that big of an issue. Per BLP - do no harm - I question the prominence of the lawsuit. The previous version linked above is actually a good start once the POV gushy bits are cleaned off. There was also at least one good article source deleted from there as well. There likely is plenty of reliable sources although many of them are industry-specific so digging them up will take work. I also notice a bunch in other languages so translating them may also be needed. I'm inclined to keep but the exceptional claims tying him to top models will need to be sourced even if they are likely true. ]
- I wouldn't mind if this article were re-created later, but the current sources are practically worthless. (All two of them). The German society-page writeup (Ref. 1) is itself only a blog entry. Ref. 2 is from a page of the Daily News called 'Gossip.' It recites the bare facts of the lawsuit, and one doubts that anyone did any research to figure out whether Zeumer had an actual role in the careers of those well-known models. I agree that it's not essential to include the lawsuit in the article, since it seems that the defendants were a very large and mixed group (possibly all the important modelling agencies that were active in New York at the time). But if you drop the lawsuit, there goes Ref. 2, and we know that Ref. 1 is not a reliable source. Where to next? EdJohnston (talk) 23:29, 26 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- A previous version of the article had more sources - there was at least one that was fine. In other searches his name popped up at the New York Times and multiple hits in other languages. What we really need is a good magazine article about him/his work and I have little doubt that such may exist. Personally I don't know the modeling industry enough to find the industry sources that discuss him. I think he is notable, I believe the connections to all these notable models and stars but proving that is another issue altogether. -- Banjeboi
- If you go back to the 15 January version of the article, I'm sincerely curious which of these references you think is a WP:RS and is usable. His book would be interesting if it existed, but it is unavailable and (one assumes) never published. EdJohnston (talk) 01:43, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Actually, does it matter? If we simply can't verify enough of the notable stuff, all that's left is one scandal which would seem to fall short on BLP. 06:04, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
- If you go back to the 15 January version of the article, I'm sincerely curious which of these references you think is a
- A previous version of the article had more sources - there was at least one that was fine. In other searches his name popped up at the New York Times and multiple hits in other languages. What we really need is a good magazine article about him/his work and I have little doubt that such may exist. Personally I don't know the modeling industry enough to find the industry sources that discuss him. I think he is notable, I believe the connections to all these notable models and stars but proving that is another issue altogether.
- I wouldn't mind if this article were re-created later, but the current sources are practically worthless. (All two of them). The German society-page writeup (Ref. 1) is itself only a blog entry. Ref. 2 is from a page of the Daily News called 'Gossip.' It recites the bare facts of the lawsuit, and one doubts that anyone did any research to figure out whether Zeumer had an actual role in the careers of those well-known models. I agree that it's not essential to include the lawsuit in the article, since it seems that the defendants were a very large and mixed group (possibly all the important modelling agencies that were active in New York at the time). But if you drop the lawsuit, there goes Ref. 2, and we know that Ref. 1 is not a reliable source. Where to next? EdJohnston (talk) 23:29, 26 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete on the basis that Metropolitan Models does not have a Wikipedia entry, so we can not assume it notable, and consequently have no reason to think its CEO likely to be notable either. As for the prominence in the fashion world asserted in earlier version, it seems unsourced, but there should easily be sources for this if its real. The BLP problem is real--such an offense does not make him notable in himself, even if he were convicted, and probably should be removed as disproportionate weight even if sources are found to show that he and his firm are in fact notable. DGG (talk) 17:33, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - the sources that have come to light recently linking him to these models are great but there's not enough and the lawsuit info that has sparked the edit war bringing us to this AfD discussion is bogus at best. Unless this is rewritten and protected, it's a waste of time, space, and effort. FG Fox (talk) 20:34, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. MBisanz talk 08:12, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Radha Romon
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Is this the same as
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- Redirect to Bhaibe Radha Romon, though that article's title is incorrect, ... the singer's name is Radha Raman or Radha Romon, the "Bhaibe" prefix is not correct. --Ragib (talk) 06:14, 23 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- Keep, notable folk composer; because this is the correct name, Bhaibe Radha Romon into this article to help editors who have an interest in ascertaining the subject's notability. Baileypalblue (talk) 03:56, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, and redirect ]
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The result was speedy delete as vandalism. hmwithτ 20:52, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Geometric Negative Value Theorem
- Geometric Negative Value Theorem (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
Obviously incorrect information but doesn't fit CSD. No hits on a web search. Snow seems likely. Quantumobserver (talk) 02:51, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy snow; if it is indeed "obviously incorrect" then it falls under G3 as well. Personally, I think it's more like obvious gibberish. Author adds, "based on my original research" and "has not yet been confirmed." --N Shar (talk · contribs) 04:37, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Some kid thinks he's made a major discovery. Per WP:OR if a reason is needed. (I'm sure someone's already formulated a "rule" that any article that includes the author's signature should be deleted, but if not, I claim it as Deor's Postulate.) Deor (talk) 05:22, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Michael Hardy has been railing about inappropriate ]
- Delete as I was unable to verify on Google News, Google Books, and Google Scholar, i.e. fail WP:V. The article's author has only contributed to this article and even claims that it is his "original research", which means it fails that policy as well. Sincerely, --A NobodyMy talk 08:43, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom. From the article: "The equation in its simplist form would then be: a0+b0= c0 (a=1, b=1, c=1)= 1." In other words, 1+1=1. This is "obviously incorrect". Baileypalblue (talk) 11:47, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy delete as obvious misinformation and vandalism. AlexTiefling (talk) 16:39, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete The fact that this is childishly written is not a reason to delete; it would be a reason to re-write. However, the content, although unclear, is close enough to being clear to make it clear that it's nonsense, and near the end it comes close to confessing that it's ]
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The result was delete. Lankiveil (speak to me) 09:50, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Finda.com.au
- Finda.com.au (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
A series of websites with no independent
This article on my opinion was to describe a series of community sites useful for common users around Queensland regions which serve the community and where people interact, I don't find it promotional or with no interest as it is similar to presenting another website without any commercial interest. Benenuts 04:18, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete per nom. There's no indication of notability, and it seems unlikely that his website would have been covered in sources other than the newspapers which are operating it (and hence aren't suitable sources for establishing notability). Nick-D (talk) 09:18, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge with APN News & Media, the owner and operator of this series of websites. The *finda.com.au sites do not establish their own notability at this time. LinguistAtLarge • Msg 17:14, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete. The website does not satisy any of the criteria set out at Wikipedia:Notability (web). WWGB (talk) 06:09, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete No indication of notability and likely simply advertising. Orderinchaos 11:38, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per-comments made by WWGB and Orderinchaos. Bidgee (talk) 01:26, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to ]
Rosie Munter
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The only assertion for notability for this page is that this person was a member of a notable band (
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- Merge and redirect As a member of a notable band, her biography could be included/merged in the band article so as to address the statement her independent career is not notable by making the information not be placed independently. (There's little biographical info unrelated to the band) - Mgm|(talk) 14:12, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect as a useful search term, no need to merge, though; Rosie Munter would create a lack of balance in the article. Baileypalblue (talk) 22:37, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I suppose the biographies of the other members of the group should go along with this one. Baileypalblue (talk) 22:45, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment The article Rosie Munter has only one reference, the subject's official website, which is currently offline. I have been unable to find a useful archival of this website, or any information in reliable sources. Thus only non-controversial information properly cited in the article may be retained; this boils down to four sentences, one of which has details suited to a discography, and another whose information is already in the article, leaving two sentences of biographical information whose self-published source is unavailable for verification. I have not investigated the other band members' pages in detail, but I suspect a similar situation may prevail there. --Rogerb67 (talk) 23:16, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- Redirect per reasonable outcome for individual with insufficient notability, but who was part of a notable act. ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:48, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment as the original proposer, I am happy with a result of merge all appropriately sourced material per ]
- Consensus reached? let's close this thing as a redirect and if there's stuff to merge it can be done from the history and worked out on the talk page of the target article. Let's do this thing. ChildofMidnight (talk) 06:45, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Patience, WP:MERGE as usual. If we "shoot first and ask questions later" then firstly any good information on this page will be lost until the merge is completed, and secondly it is overwhelmingly likely it will never be completed, denying readers any useful information forever. --Rogerb67 (talk) 15:41, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Patience,
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The result was speedy delete as hoax/vandalism. hmwithτ 20:55, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Malophobia
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This word does not appear in any dictionary. It fails
- Delete borderline hoax. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 03:27, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Malophobia? What is this, Monk? Valley2city‽ 05:19, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete what was that? No. JBsupreme (talk) 07:23, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete So this is what will keep the doctor away! Hoax. I don't think there's even a name for a fear of fruit (and no, it's not homophobia). Mandsford (talk) 17:27, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as hoax -- note the page creator's punch-line conclusion: "God save those (like Hannah) who have this poor, unfortunate, untreatable, and irrational phobia." Baileypalblue (talk) 18:46, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 16:46, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
BlueTie
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This article was originally tagged for speedy deletion, but there appear to be some outside sources that verify notability. On the other hand, the article may, as was charged, be too much of an advertisement. I have decided to take it to the community to decide. Danaman5 (talk) 06:29, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Whoops, I see now that this article has been speedied and AFD'ed before. However, the new version appears to be different enough from the old versions to merit one more look. If the consensus is again for speedy deletion, I will salt it (this is about the fourth re-creation or so)--Danaman5 (talk) 06:34, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- Keep - regardless of previous iterations of this article, the current article seems to meet requirements for articles about organizations WP:CORP. I have also cleaned up and formatted the article a bit. LinguistAtLarge • Msg 00:18, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Per
Sisters of the Poor Child Ziko
- Sisters of the Poor Child Ziko (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
Prod contested with the rationale, "It is a very small congregation only recently set up, it is unlikely that many will have heard of it." 'Nuff said. Delete. Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 02:12, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete A Google search turns up nothing by that name. talk) 02:15, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, not notable. Tavix (talk) 02:20, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, its clearly not going to turn up on google search because it is a tiny congregation in north finchley run by fecking elderly Irish nuns (one of whom happens to be my aunt) that have no idea of the existence of the internet let alone the ability to set up a web page. Nuff Said. —Preceding unsigned comment added by D50qhx (talk • contribs) 02:28, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- That's a reason for deleting the article, not keeping it. You see, Wikipedia refuses to be a primary source about anything. To get Wikipedia to keep the article, you have to show the congregation's coverage you are here claiming as nonexistent. -- Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 02:38, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- That's a reason for deleting the article, not keeping it. You see, Wikipedia refuses to be a primary source about anything. To get Wikipedia to keep the article, you have to show the congregation's
- A leaflet would be a primary source. You are probably in a better position than the rest of us to uncover notability standards for non-commercial organizations, particularly for local organizations, when doing your referencing. Thanks, Baileypalblue (talk) 03:03, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- A leaflet would be a primary source. You are probably in a better position than the rest of us to uncover
- Delete, fails ]
- Keep, I know this place init. We pray for the poor child ziko. I am Emilio —Preceding undated comment was added at 13:15, 27 January 2009 (UTC). — I am Emilio (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
- Keep Yeah I know this place too. Are you Emilio? Am I Massimo — Am I Massimo (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- Hmmm... that would explain the "no Emilio in sight" comment in the AfD nomination edit summary at Evangelical Free Church of Canada. -- Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 14:26, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as per D50qhx. Comments here and removing the prod clearly indicate a total lack of notability. Edward321 (talk) 14:46, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - The approval of the order's rule by Cardinal Murphy O'Connor should be easily traceable; the fact that nothing can be found suggests that this entire thing is a hoax, and should be speedily deleted. AlexTiefling (talk) 16:22, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete almost certainly a hoax, and I almost speedied it yesterday as vandalism, on the evidence that the contributor had previously entered some very problematic contributions to St. Michael's Catholic Grammar School (that I think have all been reverted). Probably I should have done so, instead of prodding it. DGG (talk) 17:28, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Mild notability and has no references talk) 22:46, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. I did what I could with the article, but I do not think it is enough. The article fails WP:V, because I could find NO sources to verify the "Sisters of the Poor Child Ziko". The bit about the Tyburn Convent has some truth to it, but even on that website I have not yet come across any mentions of "Sisters of the Poor Child Ziko". I also suspect that some of the keep comments above may be from sock accounts. Sincerely, --A NobodyMy talk 23:44, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Actually, a suspected sockpuppetry case has just been opened. I think we're about to find out what this can of worms contains. -- Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 02:05, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Could you please provide a link? Thanks! Sincerely, --A NobodyMy talk 02:09, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Sure. Here it is. -- Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 02:17, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Ah, I should have noticed from User_talk:Collectonian#SSP_help. Best, --A NobodyMy talk 02:27, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Sure. Here it is. -- Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 02:17, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Could you please provide a link? Thanks! Sincerely, --A NobodyMy talk 02:09, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Actually, a suspected sockpuppetry case has just been opened. I think we're about to find out what this can of worms contains. -- Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 02:05, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. MBisanz talk 08:11, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Ah Kong
- Ah Kong (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
No whatsoever references. The name of the "gang" is too common in a quick search on google. Generally hard to identify. Dengero (talk) 02:09, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. "Ah Kong" is certainly a generic phrase, but it was also the name of a powerful Chinese drug-smuggling Triad in the 1980s. A google book search turns up four valid hits, and there's a few more RS out there; I'll try to add a couple of refs to the article. Baileypalblue (talk) 19:57, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Its notable, but needs references talk) 22:47, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Very surprised that this has been marked for deletion. It is just like marking 'Mafia' for deletion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.186.12.206 (talk) 16:55, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Except the Mafia has references, this one doesn't. No proof they even exist. Dengero (talk) 02:11, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Need to have some knowledge of Asian triads besides those portrayed in the movies and tv serials. Other Asian triads include 14k, Sun Yee On, Big Circle Gang, Bamboo United Gang. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.186.12.206 (talk) 03:13, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- There are references for triads also. You still haven't proven this gang even exists. Dengero (talk) 04:16, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Check again. I still have a lot of materials intended for it, but I did not have the time to do so. So I just wrote a short summary about it, hoping that others who come across it will expand on it. If you do a Yahoo Search using the keywords "ah kong" and "amsterdam", it return 65 links. As you are a regular contributor, I would have expected you to add the links as references, if you have bother to do a search. But it's ok, I still take it as you have good intentions to make Wikipaedia a better place. Cheers!
- There are references for triads also. You still haven't proven this gang even exists. Dengero (talk) 04:16, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Need to have some knowledge of Asian triads besides those portrayed in the movies and tv serials. Other Asian triads include 14k, Sun Yee On, Big Circle Gang, Bamboo United Gang. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.186.12.206 (talk) 03:13, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Except the Mafia has references, this one doesn't. No proof they even exist. Dengero (talk) 02:11, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy delete per
]David Etkin
- David Etkin (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
Despite claim of importance, gsearch isn't coming up with notability. Speedy deletion request deleted by IP user; prod deleted without comment by creator of this autobiography. Fabrictramp | talk to me 02:04, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- Strong delete. Self-aggrandizing article of the kind that usually gets speedied. -- Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 02:06, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- it should not be deleted he is great —Preceding few or no other editsoutside this topic.
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The result was delete. — Aitias // discussion 02:01, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Bill Etten and the Heritage Band
- Bill Etten and the Heritage Band (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
Non-notable musical group that fails
- Delete, fails notability per ]
- Delete: no significant 3rd party coverage talk) 04:11, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. — Aitias // discussion 01:03, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
SRFL
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Contested prod as non-notable club. After a somewhat thorough Google search, I cannot come up with anything establishing notability. This search would be slightly easier if original author explained what SRFL stands for, but days after request, the author is either unwilling or unable to provide this information. I have found reference to the Spanish River Football League as well as the Stern Rules Football League, but I doubt that either of these are connected to the fantasy football club this article is about. Regardless, neither of those present reliable, third-party references through Google, and certainly not enough of a web presence to meet notability guidelines. Steamroller Assault (talk) 01:43, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong delete, original research, possible advertisement, unnotable, unverifiable, and maybe something made up in one day. That said, I see many reasons for deletion. Tavix (talk) 02:22, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong delete I have yet to see a fantasy football league that gets covered by the national press. It's just a game, people. Mandsford (talk) 17:22, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 08:11, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Rap brief
- Rap brief (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
A redirect to Gregory Charles Royal has been reverted. No assertion that this so-called legal technique has been used more than once. Delete. Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 01:25, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I agree that the technique has not been used more than once, however, that it was successful at the state appellate level i.e a high court, and was reported nationally by the associated press makes it noteworthy, newsworthy and a bona fide technique-bethbar5 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bethbar5 (talk • contribs) 01:32, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Man writes rap as brief in court.
So keep this article you think we ought?
I express dissent and contraversion,
on this event notable only for one person.
Sources only give this man the fame,
and don't even call it by this name.
This technique don't have the "fides" you opine.
It ain't even genuine.
Sources don't state that it,
was considered legally legit,
or even any more than a piece of fluff to amuse
those waiting for "And finally …" at the end of their news.
You want to prove that this conclusion is wrong?
Cite sources discussing many legal briefs in song!
The PNC ain't satisfied,
with sources that are by us relied
to show this original idea to have escaped its inventor,
and into the general corpus of human knowledge to enter.
Document this one event in the article on the man who did the deed.
An article on the idea with a made up title we don't need.
Delizete.
Uncle G (talk) 02:02, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
^ Though Uncle G's lyrics are clever they somewhat miss the point. That the source of the subject is not only Associated Press but also for example American Bar Association linked here at http://www.abajournal.com/news/rapping_appeal_leads_to_win_for_pro_se_trombone_player/
the original research argument is moot as the technique has , as a clear matter of fact, been recognized by undeniable legit sources.
Second the title of one Associated Press article cites "Rap brief" in the title see at http://www.jsonline.com/news/wisconsin/38306479.html
Third, the notability is not measured by the author of the idea but by the appellate court that entertained the brief. Finally, the premise that many need to have used the technique is flawed I think. I submit if only one person had figured out a way to fly by flapping her arms, and that process having been reported in industry publications would be a legitimate technique..- bethbar5
- Delete. A brief-writing strategy - pertaining to part of a six-page brief ([33]) - by a pro se litigant in a non-notable divorce proceeding, and one that may or many not have had any bearing whatsoever on the result? Frivolous and non-notable. If consensus here is for delete, the lede to Gregory Charles Royal should also be amended to remove the reference to this article. Simon Dodd (talk) 19:16, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete not notable talk) 22:48, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect to Gregory Charles Royal and merge. A small amount of content plus one reference equals any easy merge. Great rap, Uncle G.! Royalbroil 03:36, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete -- not notable --ND (talk) 08:50, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - not that this particular AfD has a chance post-Uncle G's response. Bethbar5, the ABA Journal and appellate court's opinion and AP story confirm that the rapping occurring, and was successful - verifiable if you prefer. It still isn't notable. It's a (legal) news story about something novel. The sources do not describe a "techinque" - the article makes a leap that the sources do not. This interplay between WP:NOTNEWS is often confused, and I don't pretend that I always get it right. Still, this is not currently, and lacks sources to become, an encyclpedia article. Xymmax So let it be written So let it be done 14:51, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
^ If the consensus is to delete could one of the contributors here merge or write the "novel news story" into Gregory Charles Royal bio- bethbar5 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.55.54.67 (talk) 04:48, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. MBisanz talk 08:11, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
World Golf Index
- World Golf Index (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
I restored the article as per request. As this is a procedural nomination, I am neutral. PROD nominator stated "No reliable sources or indication that this index is used by any golf writers or fans." Besides that, there is a conflict of interest, as the person who started the article is the publisher of the World Golf Index website (check here). So, to make it clear if this article is notable or not, I felt that it was better to bring this page to AFD. Carioca (talk) 01:16, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete for a myriad of reasons, chatter) 07:36, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Do Not Delete' (posted Wikipedia guideline policy)
Within Wikipedia, notability is an inclusion criterion based on encyclopedic suitability of a topic for a Wikipedia article. The topic of an article should be notable, or "worthy of notice." Notability is distinct from "fame," "importance," or "popularity," although these may positively correlate with it. A topic is presumed to be sufficiently notable to merit an article if it meets the general notability guidelines, or if it meets an accepted subject-specific standard. If an article currently does not cite reliable secondary sources, that does not necessarily mean that its topic is not notable.
- The World Golf Index is a performance ranking comparing performance from various pro golf tours... this is the fact!
For someone to state "as a fact" that they cannot be compared, or are "impossible" to compare, is simply an opinion... and then to use that as a "reason for deletion" is incredibly unintelligent. I am the publisher of the World Golf Index, and therefore the "verifiable source", and I can be reached "anytime" via the World Golf Index email that is posted on the website. Popularity on Google is not a "reason for deletion" either... and as Google does not own the world... or the internet, and the World Golf Index includes "the world", the website gets traffic from all over the world. I posted this simple article on Wikipedia factually describing what it is in case a user might be interested in that information. This was done unbiased, which was the reason for a short and factual article, in the spirit of an "encyclopedia" sharing knowledge, and I had little concern for a conflict of interest simply because I didn't think there was one. —Preceding comment added by Wgiwiki (talk • contribs) 21:58, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak Keep lacks references and needs expanding talk) 22:49, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak delete fairly new ranking system that needs time for news coverage. ArcAngel (talk) 00:51, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep I am trying to be respectful of other comments, and fair comments are appreciated... but some are not very well thought out. Supported by "posted Wikipedia policy" as previously noted above, being "fairly new", or "needs time for news coverage" are NOT "reasons for deletion".
Also, further responding to the first comment above, I am not sure about the level of knowledge this person has for some things, but every organization and corporation that uses media, whether they have a specific media department, or not, drafts and posts their own "press releases". Are they all a "conflict of interest"? Obviously not. Being "worthy of notice" in this form or forum, being the Wikipedia, is simply an opinion, or collective opinion. Accordingly, the World Golf Index should be "worthy of notice", simply because it exists, has some history, is novel and interesting to some people and, may be to others. (Publisher of the World Golf Index) Wgiwiki (talk) 00:45, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, but you'd expect an index like this to have much more than press releases coming from search engine results. If there's nothing but press releases in the results, it's almost automatic that notability has not been found. It was not meant to be a criticism that this was self-promoting. chatter) 07:18, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, but you'd expect an index like this to have much more than press releases coming from search engine results. If there's nothing but press releases in the results, it's almost automatic that notability has not been found. It was not meant to be a criticism that this was self-promoting.
- Of course it is "criticism", all of which I accept. No need to apologize for it as that is your job here, and is the point of this forum and this discussion, but because content is important to "all" people (including me) who use Wikipedia, if you are going to comment in here in the capacity of an adjudicator, which you have the right to do, then it is your "job" in that capacity, to do so "honestly" and "objectively".
"Encarta" Definition of "criticism" (you can pick which context you feel is applicable):
1. act of criticizing: a spoken or written opinion or judgment of what is wrong or bad about somebody or something;
2. disapproval: spoken or written opinions that point out one or more faults of somebody or something;
3. assessment of creative work: considered judgment of or discussion about the qualities of something, especially a creative work.
== Further, you keep missing the point here, as you are using the term "notability" only in the context that is synonymous with "popularity" when the "Wikipedia guidelines", as I previously posted above, clearly allow for past, present, and future tense and context of that term. In other words, it clearly states that "notability" means that a topic should be "notable" OR "worthy of notice"... and that "popularity" alone is NOT a "reason for deletion". The reason for this is because Wikipedia is an "encyclopedia" and generally people do not use encyclopedias to search for information they already know, logically, someone uses an encyclopedia to discover information they did not know... and obviously, if something is unknown well then it may tend to be unpopular in some cases... I hope you are understanding my argument here, as for obvious reasons, I want this article to stay. I believe it is "worthy of notice", and that people who are interested in golf, would want to know about the World Golf Index... and as you previously stated you feel it should be deleted, and your only reason seems to be, that in your opinion it is not popular enough... which again I remind you, is not criteria for deletion. Wgiwiki (talk) 10:37, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Above I have attempted to to answer you and present my position in a diplomatic manner, but what is clearly "NOT ACCEPTABLE" here is the fact that you have edited your original comments above to now include the statement "propritary informaton which is designed to be paid for" (inclusive of your spelling errors) which I consider to be an offensive and slanderous attack on "my property" being the World Golf Index. You are deliberately attempting to imply that there is some sort of sinister money making scam and motive for the World Golf Index, which is absolutely NOT TRUE. All the World Golf Index information is posted FREE of Charge. Go there and look. Why are you attacking my property?? I am giving you the opportunity to retract your FALSE statements, or I will be reporting them... and you should now either post an intelligent reason for deleting my article, or leave this discussion.(Publisher: World Golf Index) Wgiwiki (talk) 11:17, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Please, be chatter) 07:23, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Response: I appreciate that you have taken more care in explaining yourself. Your apology is accepted. Please accept my apologies for also stepping over the line. I am obligated to defend my property as we may not be the only people reading this.
- I am asking you to reconsider your nomination on the following grounds:
-1- That as I have previously advanced here, according to Wikipedia guidelines, "popularity" alone does not establish "notability", and that a topic's "worthiness of notice" is to be considered also, and, further responding to your most recent post wherein you stated, "search results which fail to go beyond what is required to meet notability", I do not understand what you mean by this, as I could not find anywhere in Wikipedia deletion policy "exactly" what this search results requirement is. -2- That the World Golf Index is "worthy of notice" as it has the same level of merit as the Rolex or World Golf Rankings. (Note: It is "not" impossible to compare pro golfers from different major golf tours, and the World Golf Index is potentially a fairer comparison than the World Ranking system, as it is less incremental, and assigns the same value to each event. The World Ranking system is very convoluted as it assigns a different value to each event based on various people's perception and opinion of that value... and is therefore also vulnerable to politics)...(and so that you don't misunderstand, I love the World Rankings and do not consider it competition... but if I were them, I would probably tweak it a bit). -3- And that, there is "precedent" for this article, as it has been posted for almost a year without issue until now. (Publisher: World Golf Index) Wgiwiki (talk) 07:44, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. — Aitias // discussion 02:06, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Amir Eshghi Esfahani
- Amir Eshghi Esfahani (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
President of non notable company. No press coverage, no reliable sources, and not even a website for the company. There is a myspace page here that lists much of the same information.
The "EDG International Group" listed here is apparently not the Oklahoma based company, but something different.
This qualifies for CSD, but the similarity of the names led an admin to mistake it for another company. Shadowjams (talk) 01:06, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete not notable and lacks references talk) 22:49, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete: Fails ]
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The result was no consensus. MBisanz talk 08:10, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Aitor Iturrioz
- Aitor Iturrioz (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
Searches generate fansites and this article. IMBD references suggest minor actor even in the notable productions in which he has appeared. No awards, no references. WP is not intended to be one of the above-referenced fansites, nor an IMDB clone. Bongomatic 20:59, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- Weak Keep Mild Notability, but lacks third party reliable references talk) 22:51, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment copied from my talk page. Bongomatic 14:56, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- You have no right to delete the article on Aitor Iturrioz. It is a famous actor but that does not have an award is not sufficient reason to delete an item. So I ask you to desist from his idea of deleting it. If you delete what I see is a motherfucker.—Preceding unsigned comment added to Bongomatic's talk page by 200.118.251.143 (talk) 14:23, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak keep. Lacks references, but there are plenty of (non-English) Google News results (89) - if someone with the appropriate language skills could use some of these as sources, the article should be fine. he appears to have won a Mexican television award ([34]).--Michig (talk) 19:53, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Mgm|(talk) 10:03, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Barnaby (surname)
- Barnaby (surname) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
Reasoning: (1) This page does not introduce any information about the family name "barnaby". (2) The disambig page Barnaby (disambiguation) already exists. (3) This term "Barnaby (surname)" is an unlikely search term, thus I recommend deletion instead of redirection. LinguistAtLarge • Msg 14:55, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per the op; disambiguation page already exists, and the article provides no meaningful content. talk) 15:24, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, concur with the reasoning's of the Nom & KaySL. Esradekan Gibb "Talk" 22:40, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- Merge. I've had a go at fixing it up, but it's still not much of an article. Could possibly be kept, but might be better factored into the existing dab page. Grutness...wha? 00:58, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as redundant. Tavix (talk) 02:08, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per above. JBsupreme (talk) 07:24, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep.
Dani Campbell
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Lacks notability. JaimeAnnaMoore (talk)
- Keep. I think she is important to a lot of people and might continue to gather following. Candelabre (talk) 11:56, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- Keep - Has had some pretty notable media coverage and I don't think this sets a bad precedent. Shadowjams (talk) 04:30, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, while the references could use some cleanup there seems to be more than enough to demonstrate "significant coverage in multiple reliable sources", as WP:N suggests is required. If the nominator could elaborate on their concerns about the article, perhaps I could better see what the problem is. ~ mazca t|c 17:57, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Seems to pass the threshold of ]
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The result was Keep. Eluchil404 (talk) 01:57, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Stone Hallquist
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No reason given as to why this football player from the early 1900s is notable.
- Comment: He passes ]
- Keep While Schuym1 was a bit mysterious by not adding further information, he's right. He played for a professional team in a professional league thus meeting notability criteria for sportspeople. - Mgm|(talk) 10:01, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Easily meets guidelines on notability by playing for a professional team. Edward321 (talk) 15:45, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep First sentence notes that he was a professional athlete. So notable under ]
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The result was delete. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 16:45, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Tubes (software)
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small startup shut down a year ago Paulish (talk) 07:20, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. MBisanz talk 08:10, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Wildlife Aid
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Problem is, not only is Simon Cowell the founder of Wildflife Aid, he's also the owner of the production company that made Wildlife SOS, Animal Planet. So you've got a celebrity setting up a charity, then setting up a production company to promote it, and then selling the programme for commercial distribution. Any one with enough money could do this. It's not public service broadcasting.
The charity itself isn't notable, but the founder and owner of the production company promoting the charity are. I have a real problem with this set up. It's just 'promoting some entity.' Astral Highway (talk) 20:43, 21 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- The fact Cowell is promoting the charity outside of Wikipedia has no bearing on its notability. If he wants it to have any chance of success he pretty much has to. What would you think about merging this until more information is available? - Mgm|(talk) 13:15, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- Keep - the fact that the organization is the basis for the TV show brings the organization significant popular attention that warrants an article. The fact that such attention is generated by Simon Cromwell's deep pockets doesn't mean that the attention isn't there. Perhaps it could be a redirect to the TV show though until more information can be added. Rlendog (talk) 20:55, 26 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- Keep: Prominent local non-profit organization that has drawn widespread national and international attention -- meets the requirements of WP:ORG. I have expanded the article and referenced it to demonstrate the subject's notability. Baileypalblue (talk) 04:14, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. Mgm|(talk) 09:44, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
JAPS
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Software that does not claim notability. 16x9 (talk) 04:11, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Fails ]- Keep. Software (or the process of development thereof) has been the subject of two scholarly papers published in peer-reviewed journals: [35] [36] JulesH (talk) 22:11, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- !Vote changed to keep: per JulesH. (The reason why this !vote change is so late is because I thought that the AFD was in my watchlist even thought it wasn't.) Schuym1 (talk) 01:18, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep we really ought to give the JAPS more respect than this. JBsupreme (talk) 07:26, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 08:09, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Sde Tzofim Yeshiva
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Certainly unencyclopediac; just short of
the article at sdetzofimfund.blogspot.com is from the newspaper "yated neeman" as is the article here. for those involved in judaism it is a worthy entry . . . —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.193.42.137 (talk) 21:19, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- Neutral. The article isn't patent nonsense; rather, it is written in Yeshivish, or at least a form of English with many of the key words being either transliterated Hebrew or Yiddish. This is unsuitable for the general English-speaking audience of Wikipedia, but the article could be revised to be in standard English. In addition, the article's tone is overly promotional with comments such as "Yeshiva Sde Tzofim has chosen to address this problem in a most innovative, wonderful way". I take no position as to whether the school is notable. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 06:04, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - Clearly promotional in tone, and very likely incapable of being rewritten to be both balanced and properly sourced. AlexTiefling (talk) 16:43, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Mgm|(talk) 09:42, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Okinawan Hatha Goju Ryu Karate Do
- Okinawan Hatha Goju Ryu Karate Do (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
Small, local, non-notable variation of Okinawan
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- Delete: Fails ]
Hi ! my name is david wilson. I am a fan of martial arts and have looked at this article with my friends. I do not see any thing wrong with this article and any violation of any sort. It clearly shows that Hatha Goju is a substyle of Okinawan goju ryu and deserves a place in this encyclopedia. I feel it would be a deservice for this article to be removed/ deleted.
Sincerely,
David P. Wilson —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.238.141.128 (talk) 18:52, 25 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- The problem with this article, M. Wilson, is that it does not belong in an encyclopaedia, such as Wikipedia, whose policy is that all content be verifiable and free from primary research and previously unpublished material. Since no-one, apart from this purported organization's own web page, documents it anywhere, readers have no way to determine that anything in this article is true. (See Wikipedia:autobiography for the problems with trusting autobiographies, including autobiographies hosted at free WWW hosting services.) This article cites no independent reliable sources that document its subject, and a search for such sources (that at least both the nominator and I have done, and which other editors coming to this discussion should also do, independently) comes up empty handed. This is an encyclopaedia that readers have to be able to trust to be accurate, and they do that by checking against sources. No sources at all. Therefore no article. It's that simple. And this AFD discussion is not a vote. There is no ballot for you to stuff. Delete. Uncle G (talk) 01:34, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per Uncle G as he said everything that needs to be said. Tavix (talk) 02:26, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete.
Marlena Starr Kovacevich
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There are many references, but none seem to support notability. Just seems like an average skating coach and choreographer. -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 22:00, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - she is a skating coach but not a notable one. According to the article, she is NCCP level 1 certified which means she just gained her basic coaching certification. There's no coverage about her, nor is there any evidence of work in developing a skater to notable levels. -- Whpq (talk) 01:03, 23 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete because it fails talk) 22:53, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete.
Alan Tuan
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Delete nn mayor of a small city 30,000 population - the website of which city shows that it is a council type mayoralty and that this dude ain't the mayor either see the city's website. To sum up: fails
Speedydelete probable hoax. The mayor of Menlo Park is Heyward Robinson [37]. ]- Oops—might just be hapless misinformation, rather than a deliberate hoax. Alan Tuan is apparently the mayor of ]
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- Delete, Mountain View is notable - but that isn't inherited by its mayor unless otherwise notable. Usrnme h8er (talk) 15:13, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete.
Jackiey Budden
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I think this can probably go now, as the previous AfD suggested. This poor woman is only known for one thing: being the mother of
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- Why don't you just redirect it? (I.e. why is this at AFD?) 160.39.213.152 (talk) 22:56, 23 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The rationale behind having an article for Jackiey is that she was notable for more than one thing. Consider other Big Brother contestants. Obviously most Big Brother contestants would not get a wikipedia article because they aren't notable outside Big Brother, and so they get a subentry on the main Big Brother page. However, Jackiey's article existed for some time before it was announced she was going on Big Brother documenting her biography and TV appearances. Furthermore, seeing as she was involved in an international furore regarding her time in the house, I believe that this makes her notable enough to have her own page.
The article should not belittle Jackiey and editors should be circumspect about what they say when updating this page. Other editors have the right to remove things as they see fit. There have been times where I have editted out bias in the article but other contributors should help out too. Technohead1980 (talk) 09:54, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete on the basis of BLP policy. Tabloid fodder. The BBC article is about her daughter, and barely mentions her. DGG (talk) 01:35, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete for once in my life I think I'm finding myself agreeing with DGG on something. Miracles never cease. JBsupreme (talk) 07:26, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete: Fails ]
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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 02:53, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Dave Ellis (guitarist)
- Dave Ellis (guitarist) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
Delete. This page was previously deleted, I think. It shows no evidence of notability and the creator's username seems to indicate a conflict of interests.
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- Strong Delete per all reasons above. --Teancum (talk) 01:24, 25 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete: per ]
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