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Forgive me, but, I don't think it's necessary to place a template linking to all of the ungulate pages on all of the ungulate pages. At the very least, it doesn't seem appropriate to have links about whales on pages only about giraffes or perissodactyls. Your current template is too large and unwieldy, too. It should be refined.--Mr Fink 03:15, 7 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps it would be better if we worked on an ungulate portal, instead of having all those links cluttering up the pages?--Mr Fink 03:20, 7 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Just so you know, if something exists as a template you can add it to an article without adding all the code, you an just add {{Template:Birds}} instead. Much simpler. I've been changing the order articles to refelect this. Interesting idea having the orders on the footer, I'd been thinking about this myself, but hadn't done anything about it. Sabine's Sunbird talk 21:54, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

And even easier, you can leave off "template:" as so: {{

Equidae}} - UtherSRG (talk) 12:15, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply

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But please don't stick {{Birds}} in the birds template. It just creates a loop. Eeekster (talk) 02:08, 30 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please don't subst navigation templates. It makes maintaining the template extremely difficult. Zetawoof_(ζ) 04:00, 17 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, you are welcome to use my drawings on your website as long as proper attribution as requested by the license is provided (ex: Artwork by ArthurWeasley from Wikipedia). Cheers. ArthurWeasley 22:09, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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You can upload your own images simply by going through the

Yep, just follow the link. Choose between the different possibilities (in the case of your personal drawings, should be under "my own work"). Select the file you want to upload and select the license of your choice. Hope this helps. ArthurWeasley 19:55, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, your image needs to be digitalized and saved into your computer in order to be uploaded onto a web page. A scanner would be good, may be you can ask people around you to use one. Another alternative is to take a digital picture of your drawing with a digital camera. ArthurWeasley 20:30, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi - I noticed your recent edits on various bovid pages.

Just thought I'd mention that it helps if you put some kind of explanation in the "Edit Summary" box. This makes it much easier to tell proper edits from vandalism (which rarely has anything in this box), and it also makes it easier to understand the reason for the edit. For example, when I saw a large unexplained edit in Bovinae (17:10, 6 November 2007), I very nearly reverted it as a malicious deletion. I could only work out what you were doing by spending some time looking at your user contributions.

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Yeah, may be but that's a lot of work. If someone's writing the text then I could provide the illustrations. ArthurWeasley 18:30, 1 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for creating

Basically, I can't find the equivalent of a guideline for "how to use" guide for these animal tmeplates the way I can find them for

WP:CITE for example...where did you go to figure out how to do the template in the first place?? And I'd like to read wiki's criteria for what to do and not to do (ideally) with these templates. And did you create it on your own, or were there some other people (who could get upset if I change things) who were in on the process of figuring out what to do, what to insert, etc...? The reason I ask is that I see some big templates like this one or this one and that is easily how big the equidae one could get if we got too crazy, but the whole horse area is so disorganized, so there's an argument that this wouldn't be a bad thing (and the categories are a TOTAL mess!)...oh, and by the way, there is a proposal to create a "Wikiproject Horses" out there, but only four people have signed up, we need more support (there's three horse wikiprojects on narrow areas, but no overall umbrella). Montanabw^(talk) 22:55, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply

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Oh, and if you could be so kind, can you toss in a small edit summary like "adding template" when you do so? The horse articles get TONS of vandalism and edits with blank summaries sometimes get tossed by the bots as vandalism...which would be a bummer here. Montanabw^(talk) 23:25, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I like that you really have a lot of energy, but be careful not to reinvent the wheel. There happen to be several hundred horse articles on wikipedia, as well as

As for Wikiproject Equines, maybe go over to the page where things are being proposed and find the listing for the wikiproject horse proposal, and leave a message there that you created this. Personally, I have little interest in non-horse equines, but if this is where the energy is, it's worth a start. Also maybe leave a note at Wikipedia:WikiProject Agriculture and let them know what you have done...some egos may be bent out of shape, but none of them got off the dime and did it, so just be polite and respectful and maybe see what happens.

You wrote: <<<Oh, and one more thing is it wrong to call the Przewalski's Horse the Mongolian Tarpan and the Tarpan the Polish Tarpan and the wild horse Tarpan? Because I'm thinking writing a book on equids. --4444hhhh (talk) 00:24, 8 December 2007 (UTC)4444hhhh>>>

It would be incorrect terminology to use any of those terms. Tarpans and Przewalski's horses were/are different subspecies, though there are outdated books that probably use those other terms. Read Przewalski's horse and Tarpan, they are reasonably decent articles. You may also want to read Domestication of the horse and wild horse. The only true "wild" horse today is the Przewalski's horse. Everything else is a feral horse. Hope this helps. Montanabw^(talk) 06:13, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Just for the record, I reviewed the edit and you were not vandalizing, although the page

redirects, they are done in way that directs a reader to the most likely result for their search term. Since the vast majority of readers searching for "Equine" (or the plural, "Equines") would be looking for the Horse article, they both should redirect there. At the top of Horse, there is a hatnote leading to the Horse (disambiguation) page, to which I have added a link to the family Equidae, for the few readers who wish to read about the taxonomic classification, instead. To that end, I went ahead and changed the redirect on Equines, to align with Equine, and the more likely search result. I realize that Wikipedia is pretty confusing at first, so feel free to ask me should you have any questions at all, and I'll be more than happy to help, or if I'm unable to, I will be able to point you to somewhere to get assistance. Thanks so much for diving in and helping, and I hope you are enjoying the project! Ariel♥Gold 12:13, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply

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On my part, thanks for setting me straight on the gender thing. Usually I can guess gender by writing style (ArielGold is a "she" I'm pretty sure... (grin)) but I do miscalculate sometimes. Either way, keep in mind that those who care about taxonomy and genetics care deeply and so I usually do not mess with taxonomy unless I can cite to peer-reviewed literature. Call me overcautious, but oh how I HATE reverting things other people mess up in the areas where I have expertise...I just try not to do too much damage in areas where I don't know a lot!! Montanabw^(talk) 03:32, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You wrote: "I usually consider pets as a supspecies of their wild ancestors."

As a general rule, most domesticated animals do get listed as different subspecies. What is weird in the equine world is that, other than Przewalski's horse and the nonw-extinct Tarpan, there are no "wild" horses; any wild horses are feral horses. If you look at those domestication and evolution articles, you will note that the "four foundations" theory suggests that the wild prototypes of the modern horse (whether one of four) may have been a totally different subspecies that so totally lent itself to domestication that all wild predecessors simply ceased to exist. Stephen Budiasky theorized that domestication may have saved the horse in Eurasia from the extinction it faced in the Americas at the end of the last Ice Age.

The taxonomy of the wild species is hotly debated, as you might note from the page history there and at wild horse. The short version is that some people claim there is such a thing as equus ferus and others consider ferus a subspecies of Equus caballus. I wonder if that's why Onagers and other wild asses are classed with Donkeys as Equus Asinus, I note that the wild ones are given an additional subspecies classification.

Anyway, it's all fascinating and though you'd be interested. User:Dysmorodrepanis seems to know something of how this taxonomy stuff all works, may be able to help figure it all out. Montanabw^(talk) 18:59, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, since your a memeber of WikiProject Equines I was wondering if you can help.

I've been expanding and cleaning up the Zebra article. I was wondering if you think the Ecology and Behavior section is representive of all the zebra species' lifestyles. I noted the difference between the Grevy zebra and the other two zebra's behavior but are their differences between the Mountain and Plains zebras that should be noted or put into their repective articles? Also there are some behaviors I attributed to the Plains zebra and I don't know if it would describe the other two as well.

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You asked me to address any problems I have with your recent edits to Squamata here on your talk page. I'm really happy someone has taken an interest in the page, so first I just want to thank you for your contributions. I'm willing to copy edit your contributions, but I think it's really important to include sources. It makes it much easier for me to copy edit text when I can read the text the facts come from, and even if I can't get the source, having a source gives me the confidence that the language is worth refining. - Enuja (talk) 06:05, 28 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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WP:Cite may be useful to you, and if information is, indeed, from another article, it should be very easy to read and then copy and paste the appropriate wiki formatting to the new article. Instead of finding new sources this time, I just copy edited the sections. If no-one finds sources for the information, I will (eventually) remove it. - Enuja (talk) 20:22, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply

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Hi 4444hhhh! I do the scale charts in Photoshop, using a layered graph template I made a while back. For each new chart, I just make a 'stencil' of the subject and drop it into the pre-existing graph, changing the key etc. That's why it may be difficult to do the charts you requested very quickly, as it might be tough to find good source material for the stencils. But I'll see what I can do! Dinoguy2 (talk) 00:17, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Can you check my Dinosauria Common? --4444hhhh (talk) 01:27, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi 4h,

It's cute, but Wikipedia isn't the place for this sort of speculative material. You should start your own web page. Firsfron of Ronchester 01:34, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I know where it is. :) Firsfron of Ronchester 01:39, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have replaced the single bird image back into bird's taxobox, please see my comments on the talk page. Sabine's Sunbird talk 01:49, 17 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, can I make a suggestion, can you make a new version of your composite image but one that is tall and thin rather than wide so that it doesn't distort the taxobox, and you can put it forward as a potential image for the taxobox in the discussion I've started. Sabine's Sunbird talk 01:59, 17 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please remove the pictures of the "Walking with" series box covers. They are fair use and copyrighted, and Wikipedia does not permit their use in userspace. bibliomaniac15 00:35, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi. I thought the way most people felt at [[]] was that we shouldn't make big taxonomic changes without discussing them first, and in general we should wait for the ornithological unions and associations. So I think your changing to the Ciconiiformes were premature.

I don't know whether you know the history. The tradition in systematics is to present one's beliefs as the truth; that doesn't mean other biologists accept the arrangements, much less that the arrangements are right. The journals are littered with outdated classification systems, and Hackett et al. is going to be another one. Undoubtedly some of its suggestions are right, but we don't yet know which ones.

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We follow the nomenclature for common names, not the taxonomy (at least not automatically). Sabine's Sunbird talk 18:15, 17 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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