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"If you are concerned about the quality of reviews, perhaps pitch in and check them before they reach the main page?" I do. Maybe less frequently than I once did, but you seem to suggest I don't. --68.99.89.234 (talk) 02:28, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
You didn't note as much in your post at WTDYK, and the address is different. Even if I were to remember a string of numbers, I would have no way of associating you with the review. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:30, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
That's not really the point. The point is, why assume I don't. -68.99.89.234 (talk) 05:30, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
Why assume you do? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:39, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
Indeed! Why assume? -166.137.210.16 (talk) 16:36, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
Re. AN thread "Admin threats"
Sorry to bother you, but was this removal of Buckshot06's comment intentional? It appears to have been a mistake, so I have re-added it (and in classic Kurtis fashion, accidentally referred to him as "Bucketshot06"). Just making sure. Kurtis(talk) 09:12, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
Must have been an edit conflict, thanks for catching that. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:13, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
Not a problem. =) Kurtis(talk) 09:14, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
Fayetteville–Springdale–Rogers metropolitan area
It looks like this speedy deletion was done by DGG before you [1], and now the article actual article got deleted too. Could you, please, fix this? ArmbrustTheHomunculus 09:17, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
No wonder I got an error message. Done. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:19, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
Thanks
Thanks for the closes at AfD. I do hope you make another run at ToL one of these days; let me know if I can help. Garamond Lethet c 09:29, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
Thanks... I'll consider it, but I'm finding little time for even the "easy" articles. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:30, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
Did you know nominations/Andy Mineo
I'm not the nominator, but did review some of the articles in this multiple-article hook. Just a thought: maybe the hook can go out if the bolding of the link to "
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That's an idea. Perhaps you should check with those who had close paraphrasing concerns (if the other two articles have issues, no point) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:05, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
The other two articles did not have any close paraphrasing issues that I'm aware of, and did, in fact, pass. However, as a triple nomination, the hook clearly couldn't be approved as it was. Given the problems in "Andy Mineo", I don't think that any link should go to that article if the nomination is resurrected. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:19, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
I wasn't aware our standards for non-bold-linked articles in DYK hooks was that strict, but guess it's fine if the link to "Andy Mineo" is removed entirely from the hook. —
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We have had some non-bold links delinked when copyvio was discovered (there's an Indian hook, last year, that I remember fuzzily) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:51, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
OK, so should we do that? Seems to me that would recognize the editor's efforts, even if there are problems with the "Andy Mineo" article. —
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Okay, we could re-add it (if we delink Andy Mineo) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:04, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
DYK for Pre-Maori settlement of New Zealand theories
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That's interesting but ... now I want to know more. How would they have gotten there? Why would they have gone there?
[majestic titan]
01:15, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
Guess we could buy some of those books... — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:41, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the unexpected co-credit! That was ... interesting to work on, but I couldn't let it remain such a polemic. --Yngvadottir (talk) 12:46, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
I saw you had something like 8 content edits to the article, so I added you (a little late though, I think... in prep) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:48, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
DYK restrictions
Crisco, I'm coming to you for some mentorly advice, since you've been a mentor to me in DYK matters for a while, and in some ways I'm still the new kid on the block. My question is whether you think I'm offbase or even a bit so in my interpretation of the part of the Gibraltar restrictions that reads "All DYK Gibraltar-related nominations will go into a special holding area from the time they are nominated."
In the recent discussion at
WT:DYK#Changes to listings of future Gibraltar-related DYK nominations
, Prioryman said that this doesn't mean they "will solely go into the special holding area", while I maintained that "go" clearly means go from A to B (move from date section, where they start, to the holding area, rather than duplicate the entries so they're in both places). Unfortunately, there was very little commentary from other people on this point, so with one or two exceptions I have no idea what their interpretations might be.
If you think I'm offbase, then I'll drop it. If I'm not, then I'll have to decide whether I have the energy to pursue this further. To me, moving seems like a logical application of the actual DYK process and standard English interpretation to the wording of that particular restriction, while duplication does not. Thank you for your time and thoughts. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:15, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
Based on the wording you've presented above, I'd interpret "go" as you have in this case. That's an interesting proposal from Prioryman, and I understand his reasoning (the persistent delays Gibraltar hooks face being the main one), but that's essentially not a restriction if we don't have it in only one place. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:54, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
...And in fact, I then realise that having two snowy mountains in the USA on the same day is not a great idea, so I've swapped 26th and 27th February over, probably making a complete horlicks of your watchlist! Hope I've not trodden on too many toes on your side, and hope I didn't miss out anything too vital. Thanks,
Really? Darn, and nobody would have believed us if we said "accident". Alright, bookmarking — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:26, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
Not after the eagles fiasco. The only trouble with planning in advance, instead of leaving everything until the last minute, is that it then increases the chances that nobody will notice the problem until it's too late, then complain that it should have been fixed before they noticed... Anyway, hopefully the "/TFAs and POTDs" page is useful to me/you if for no other reason than the fact that it "goes round the corner" as you approach the end of the month, meaning we don't have to look at two pages at once.
Agree, except with the use of "fiasco". The only issue I saw with the moves was with the coding for the uranium process, which just happens to be the most complicated this month (because it's actually three images). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:33, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
Sorry, the pathetic puerile game I talked you into playing(!). Thanks for the uranium fix - after looking at the code for "recently featured" etc I thought it was probably easiest to delete and subst: afresh, but clearly not!
Well, we'll see how everything goes and... if someone pulls the "kaiser" routine. BTW, I've already left feedback at the FAC. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:14, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
Thank you for that.--Wehwalt (talk) 03:14, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
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How did you get this wrong in the Signpost? And I'm sorry I took three weeks to get around to reading it.— Vchimpanzee· talk·contributions· 18:16, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
Misread the Enterprise article. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:24, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
This had me concerned but it was a featured photo, not the featured article. Anyway, it's corrected now.— Vchimpanzee· talk·contributions· 15:44, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, I saw that. Thanks. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:46, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
Anything not Homenetmen-related is not allowed, making it not free enough for Wikipedia. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:19, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
DYK for Maling Kutang
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Hey, I don't know how prevalent it is in Bangalore, but will keep an eye out --Muhammad(talk) 11:49, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
DYK queue needs loading in the next 55 minutes
Crisco, just in case you're around but not editing, I thought I'd let you know that we have zero queues filled and four preps waiting, and a bot that's going to pounce in under 55 minutes. If you can promote a prep to the next queue, that would be wonderful. Many thanks! BlueMoonset (talk) 07:06, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
Looks like I read this too late (was in class), but there's at least two in the queue now. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:45, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
I was able to ping Materialscientist, who was editing at the time; thanks for promoting the next one (about to be sent to the main page). It's good not to have to worry about this again in the morning! BlueMoonset (talk) 15:54, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
Ames
What a cool set of photos. Glad that it is not a bird or a pretty building...but something with real history...with real use of graphics in an innovative (non decorational) manner: the implicit process flow.
Caption worked out fine. The little people who want to make everything the same never noticed the little bit of innovation. HA!
The article got a huge number of hits too, like 30,000. Not bad! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:17, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
DYK for Kabut Sutra Ungu
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Is there a copyvio issue with using an excerpt of lyrics here? Thanks! GabeMc(talk|contribs) 21:21, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
That's a toughie. My gut says probably, as it doesn't seem to pass the NFCC requirement for minimal use. If the lyrics are hosted on an external site (without violating copyright), we could use the {{external media}} template and link to them. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:29, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the quick reply. Question: why can we include quotes of 60+ words from copyrighted books without permission, but not 60+ words from lyrics or poems? GabeMc(talk|contribs) 22:48, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
It's measured based on the length of the source work. 33% of your average book is much, much more than 60 words. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:51, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
Right, good point. Thanks for clarifing that. I was wondering though, is 60+ words more than 33% of the source if the source is a book by Shapiro and Glebbeek that runs more than 700 pages? I realise that they may have gotten permission to reprint the lyrics, but I see no evidence of that. What if Hendrix never published the lyrics? Thanks again for taking the time to educate me! GabeMc(talk|contribs) 23:12, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
Wikipedia's fair use policies are stricter than US law requires, and in an academic publication like that (without being able to check if it was reprinted by permission), it might be excepted as it's for an "educational purpose". As for if it was never published, he'd still hold the copyright on them, at least until the mid-2000s. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:16, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
I guess what's confusing me is that I could use a 60-word Hendrix quote from an interview from the same book, not? What am I missing here? GabeMc(talk|contribs) 02:30, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
Different copyright holders, different source material, different percentages. As a side note, I'd certainly dispute a 60-word non-free quote at FAC. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:21, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
Well, I've removed it to be safe, but I would still like to understand the logic behind it. In one of your more recent FAs, promoted 16 November 2012, Frank's Cock, you included 39 quoted words from a one-page source: Bunbury, Stephanie (25 November 1994). "Hollywood and Other Canadas of the Soul". The Age (Melbourne): p. 19. Can you please explain how this is different? Thanks! GabeMc(talk|contribs) 23:26, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
Different from the book example, or from the song? If you compare it to the song, 39 words isn't 33% of the source. If the book, I said I'd question it... but that certainly doesn't mean others would agree. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:30, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
Also, I'm counting 29 words in quotation marks. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:32, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
Unless I made a mistake and included a quote from another source, my word-count says 39 (is 29 really that much better then 39 when talking about a one-page source?): "fragmentation of the body", "most of our relationship was incredibly joyous and happy and a good time", "spark local production", "fragmentation of the body", "open them up to differences of form and why [one] would make something formally different." Also, please realise that I am not trying to be difficult here, I just want to understand so as to educate myself, so that I need less and less help with these issues moving forward. GabeMc(talk|contribs) 23:49, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
Alright, I'll stop commenting on the count (although I don't think "fragmentation of the body" should be counted twice, as it's the same quote). My rule of thumb is to look at the number of words in the source (when possible) and not the sheer number of pages. Song lyrics could be on one page, just like a newspaper article, but they will have completely different word counts. 40 words of 400 and 60 words of 180 are quite different. In some cases it can't be avoided; I agree wholeheartedly with your inclusion of the Lennon quote at "Imagine", as a) paraphrasing it would lose almost all meaning and b) the source material is considerably longer.
I noticed that NYtend said the lyrics were likely acceptable, so obviously how far we can go is limited. I'd suggest deferring to Moonriddengirl for a more detailed answer. She's much more familiar with text-related copyrights than me. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:56, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
DYK for Antara (news agency)
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Alright, thanks for the heads up. A couple of the additions look a little stilted, so I'll let a reviewer or two have a gander first. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:38, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
Queues empty
Crisco, I figured I ought to ask you to keep an eye out now, since I plan to be asleep earlier tonight and not be around when the next scheduled main page promotion comes in four hours from now. Getting one prep area into a queue sometime in the next few hours would be very nice; if no one else does it, I hope you can. Thanks again for helping out last night. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:00, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
You got me on another "whole day out of the house" binge. One moved for now, maybe more later. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:22, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
I'm talented in unexpected ways, what can I say? ;-) Thanks for doing those just now; I suppose I ought to see whether I can fill up one Prep 2 so another will be ready to roll... BlueMoonset (talk) 00:15, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, that should help. I'll be at home for much of the day so we shouldn't have any worries... for now — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:10, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
Don't know if you're home much of this new day, but there are just under three hours to get at least one queue filled; I'm going to see if I can get something into a second prep... BlueMoonset (talk) 05:05, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
Sy melihat artikel ini menggunakan artikel lain dlm Wikipedia sebagai referensi (lihat referensi no. 5). Yg jadi masalah, apakah artikel Wikipedia boleh dijadikan sebagai referensi? Mengingat kakak adalah seorang "sesepuh" di Wikipedia, makanya sy minta pencerahannya, kak. Salam. --Akbarini dari Kalbar 14:13, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
Memang tidak boleh. Nah, kalau di sini... ini bukan menggunakan Wikipedia sebagai sumber, tetapi menawarkan Wikilink pada artikel yang bersangkutan mengenai buku acuan. Akan saya rapikan. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:07, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
DYK for NGC 2467
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Much crisper, agree. I wouldn't use the page for information though. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:27, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
Okay, I need to go take a shower (dinner plans tonight) so I'll let you handle the DYK nomination (if you want). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:28, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
Crisco, I nominated Template:Did you know nominations/Girls (and Boys) On Film a short while ago. I managed to screw up the tense in original hook, but now that the ALTs in place there's still a basic question about sourcing part of the hook that I'd like someone who's knowledgeable (i.e., not George) to see whether this is a feasible hook or not. (I also don't want it to seem promotional in nature.)
So, any advice on a way forward? I'd appreciate it. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:29, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
Replied there. Short story: No, no Twitter. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:47, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
Good thing Twitter isn't involved in the hook fact, then, isn't it? If you're saying Twitter can't be used at all to source a filming date that's completely irrelevant to the hook, I'll remove the offending sentence, but I think it's reliable enough to support that. What I was wondering about was "81st episode", as noted in the Comment part of the template. Any advice? BlueMoonset (talk) 06:08, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
Sy mengambil ini foto dari buku Mohammad Hatta:Hati Nurani Bangsa. Yg jadi masalah, katanya lisensi nya itu dipegang penerbit. Padahal, klo sudah 50 thn ke atas sudah bisa masuk Public Domain. Lalu, kok ini gambar tak bisa masuk lisensi itu, kak? --Akbarini dari Kalbar 10:00, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
Terbitnya tahun berapa? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:15, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
Fotonya diambil bulan itu, tapi terbit untuk pertama kali? Itu informasi yang kita perlu. Maka saya dulu waktu menulis Sudirman harus repot-repot mencari koran lama. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:18, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
Makanya, sy sarankan beli buku itu. Foto itu kata pak Deliar Noer dari Keluarga Moh. Hatta. --Akbarini dari Kalbar 10:25, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
Kalau dari koleksi pribadi, bisa terjadi belum pernah diterbitkan sebelum itu. Kalau memang begitu, ia masih berhak cipta — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:29, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
Teritnya dua kali, yg pertama thn 90-an (di buku pak Imran Amrin yg sy jadikan daftar pustaka di Mohammad Hatta, artikel yg sy kembangkan). Kemudian yg kedua di buku terbaru pak Noer, Mohammad Hatta:Hati Nurani Bangsa. Atw, klo kakak mau bisa aja ente datang ke rumah keluarga pak Hatta di Jakarta. --Akbarini dari Kalbar 11:33, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
Tahun 90-an masih terlalu baru... masih berhak cipta kalau belum pernah dimuat dalam terbitan setidaknya 20 tahun sebelumnya. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:38, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
Jadi, gimana ni mau nge-usahain foto ini. Masa harus nunggu lebih lama lagi supaya ini foto baru bisa masuk Wikipedia. Otomatis, umur ane udah nyampe 20 tahun ke atas. --Akbarini dari Kalbar 11:44, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
Foto M. Hatta di Commons sudah agak banyak, bisa digunakan. Kita memang harus nunduk pada kebijakan Wiki(m/p)edia. Nah, kalau di edisi bahasa Indonesia kan penggunaan wajar lebih mudah, barangkali bisa masuk. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:46, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
Ya Allah.... ya Tuhan kami. Ya sudahlah, tawakkal saja. "Kame'" (=Saya) serahkan saja terhadap ulil amri (pengurus) Commons dan klo memang tak bisa dinego lagi, ya sudahlah. Ngomong2, foto Bung Hatta di Digul itu ada berapa? --Akbarini dari Kalbar 11:52, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
Maaf, tapi memang itu yang kita terpaksa jalankan. :( Syukur sudah ada 10-15 foto Hatta di Commons — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:56, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
Thanks! (s)he's so cute! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:45, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
Alright, the National hero page looks good, in terms of prose at least. I don't know anything about tables. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:31, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
Thanks a lot! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:29, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
DYK hook for Hilde Levi
Hi, I'm posting this on your talk page and Bluemoonset's as I'm not sure which of you might be around first, so hope it's okay? The hook for Hilde Levi currently in Queue 2 reads:
...that Hilde Levi helped develop the develop radiocarbon dating equipment used to date the Grauballe Man?
That is how it is worded in the nomination but shouldn't the second 'develop' be removed? Or am I reading something incorrectly? Sorry to bother you.
Alright, sorry I couldn't help (was sleeping) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:38, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
Heads up on Bung Tomo
The iconic photograph
Just a heads up. I've been doing some research on the iconic Bung Tomo photograph that many associate with the Battle of Surabaya and Hari Pahlawan. There is a high possibility that its date and context are incorrect. It appears to have been published first in the Nanjang Post (Nanyang Post) in February 1947, but I can't confirm this as I've only found archives of the paper at Stanford University. If we are able to confirm its publication there, it is likely there will be an article or caption associated with the image that can clarify its context. I'm not sure if archives of this newspaper exists in Indonesia. —Arsonal (talk + contribs)— 19:15, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
Oh my. I've seen the picture in newspapers from the 1940s (didn't photograph the paper, so I don't remember the date). I haven't seen any copies of Nanjang Post either. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:20, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
If you ever run across it again, it should be attributed to IPPHOS (Indonesia Press Photo Service) or the photographer Alex Mendoer (Mendur). See [2]. —Arsonal (talk + contribs)— 22:45, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
Interesting. If I go back to the library I'll see what I can do. BTW, just going to nominated the heroes list at FLC. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:47, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
DYK for Anak Perawan di Sarang Penjamun
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Hi Crisco, I see someone put Sir Alistair Hardy's photo into Aquatic ape hypothesis without a rationale. I did the original rationale for the article on Sir AH himself, and can easily write one for the other article - if the image is needed there. He was of course the originator of the hypothesis - do you think we should have his photo in there? all the best - Chiswick Chap (talk) 08:58, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
You'd probably have a tough time passing
NFCC #8 (contextual significance, in which an image is crucial to understanding what's being said). I wouldn't try to use it, although I'm pretty hard on non-free images — Crisco 1492 (talk
) 12:33, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
Well, he's certainly a key bit of context, but no, the article can be understood without the photo. Chiswick Chap (talk) 12:58, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
etc etc, yang Hero yang sulit to keep intact - yang jelas dari revert saya...
Been a day of many challenges at my end - trust school is going well for you... ciao
sats
08:44, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, they seem to have their own idea of what constitutes a good list. Needless to say, their version of the list provides no context for English readers and should not be on the English Wikipedia. School is... well, it could be better and it could be worse. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:48, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
Beri sy saran
Kak, gimana sih cara masang Page notice seperti "Welcome, .
The current date and time in where I live is Thursday 7 March, 21:30. Please understand that it is unlikely that I will reply immediately between 22:00 and 8:00 local time dan bla bla bla....................."
Hampir sy lali, apakah ente adalah penggemar Elvis Presley? Sekalian, coba sekali2 anda datang ke Kalimantan Barat, sambil nonton sepak bola di Stadion Kebun Sayur makan Kue Bingka yg manis (teringat kejadian sebelum masuk pesantren). --Akbarini dari Kalbar 14:43, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
Suka sih, suka, tapi saya sekarang lebih banyak mendengarkan lagu Chrisye, Gita Gutawa, dan Nike Ardilla. Kalau ke KalBar boleh-boleh saja... tunggu ada waktu luangnya. Kuliah sekarang mendesak. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:48, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
Quick and dirty translation, "Artikel ini memiliki isi dalam bahasa Indonesia yang dapat diterjemahkan ke dalam bahasa Aceh. Anda dapat membantu kami memperbaikinya." — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:04, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
Thank you so much for your help! God Bless. --A-eng (talk) 08:09, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
I notice that this article, which had been deleted (by you?) due to copyvio concerns, has been created anew by Gfosankar (talk), who you warned on February 22. (It was created with the word "Co-Operation", and subsequently moved to "Cooperation".)
I have no way of checking where the problems were now that the original is gone; as you're an admin, I imagine you can do the necessary checks. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:15, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
PS: DYK is almost overdue once again. Two preps are ready, and one needs promoting within 105 minutes. I'll be offline shortly, and you're the only admin I'm making a note of this to. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:15, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
Sorry I missed your note about DYK, I was in class until 3. I'll take a look at the commission article. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:34, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
No problem on DYK being overdue: you've answered so many other cries for help. Sorry to bother you, but any news on the recreated article? BlueMoonset (talk) 05:07, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
Not close enough for a speedy deletion, in my opinion, but it still has issues. Tagged — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:08, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
DYK for Gagak Item
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I've just filled up a prep area (none were ready), and we're overdue for the next main page move, so I imagine as soon as an admin stops by (perhaps you), it will get promoted. Unfortunately, they're all long hooks, but we have no flexibility at the moment: almost all the approved hooks are bios, with the exception of a few UK sports stadiums. I'm also busy with other things, and it's hard to get time on Wikipedia just now. Hope you see this... BlueMoonset (talk) 00:30, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
Got one... although considerably later than I would have at home (in Ciamis again) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:09, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
WP:DELREV. I feel that maybe the discussion needs to be given another week, or that the closure of the discussion did not reflect the actual merits for deletion or inclusion.Curb Chain (talk
) 05:52, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
Nominate at AFD again if you want, but
WP:RELIST states that discussions should generally not be relisted more than twice, and that nom was already at the limit. With more discussion things would have likely found a different outcome. — Crisco 1492 (talk
) 11:08, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
Thanks Crisco. I thought I'd follow the process. Should I rescind the delrev?Curb Chain (talk) 13:03, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
Rather curious to see how it would turn out, but I'd suggest sending it to AFD again instead (hopefully it draws more interest) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:04, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
Crisco, the special occasion hook for March 10, tied to the Crufts dog show in the UK, needs to run right away. Ideally, it should go in either the first or second prep, depending on whether you think it should run during the UK day, or starting at 4pm on the day (I don't know when Best in Show is given)—which means in one of the two sets you've just been building.
I'll let you decide where to put it, though if it appears you've stopped editing for a while, I'll fit it in somewhere. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:18, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. It's been slow for special occasions, what with very little coming in for Women's History Month. Looks like we'll have a big Easter on March 31, then the next day a much bigger April Fools, and then dribs and drabs after that. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:21, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
Shame most of my women's history hooks have been used up (
For your contributions to bring Gagak Item to Good Article status. I'm always awed by your prolific output--keep up the good work! -- Khazar2 (talk) 14:43, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
(I wasn't suggesting that this was your fault BTW - I understand that your role is to promote nominations which other editors have checked, taking this checking on good faith). Regards, Nick-D (talk) 00:19, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
No, no problem. I didn't assume you meant otherwise (especially since others received the same notification) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:21, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
your comment in the closing regarding to be notified
After reviewing the changes needed, it doesn't seem that the article needs a history deletion. Thanks for the notice. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:35, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
As a confirmed non-cricketer who has endured several of my cricket articles, I have a huge favour to ask you. The above article is at PR here. It really needs someone who knows little or nothing of the sport to look at it to tell me if it makes sense for non-cricketers. Or even if it ever could make sense. If you are too busy or would rather eat your own hand than read an article about lbw, no problem at all. Sarastro1 (talk) 22:09, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
Ill try (if I have time), but no guarantees. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:20, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for that so far, it's exactly what I need. I'll owe you big time after this! Sarastro1 (talk) 19:34, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
Any chance you could comment further? If I have to, I'm happy to grovel. Or beg. Sarastro1 (talk) 17:45, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
I'll try. Over the weekend I was in another city and didn't bring my modem, so I ended up in a web cafe. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:02, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
Thanks once more. I'm sure that was absolute hell to plough through, and it's much appreciated. Let me know if you need anything reviewing, or anything else I can do. Sarastro1 (talk) 21:50, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
Actually, once I got the vocab down it wasn't all too bad. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:20, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
FLC Sarah Connor discography
You have talkback, etc. etc. Till 22:52, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
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cowardly admin
Hi Crisco,
Are you around? I was going to change the image for OTD (it's the same as your POTD selection), but I'm a chicken, and scared I'm not going to do it right. Do we now trust the bot on Commons that autoprotects the images on our main page, or do we still temporarily upload them to WP? It looks like there's often a couple minute lag between a new picture and protection on commons... --Floquenbeam (talk) 00:15, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
Tariq dealt with it a few minutes after this message, so nevermind. But you've got email. --Floquenbeam (talk) 01:17, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
Opening now... I don't trust the bot much, to be honest. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:22, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
Ya know, I actually had that very same thought, and mentioned it to a mutual acquaintance in email the other day. He did have a look around, but didn't seen any indication of it. o/ Mark. — Ched : ? 12:48, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
Crisco, I could deal with the three photos that have all accompanied this nom to prep 1 (just pick one and ditch the rest), but when I checked, they are all Australian photos, and have this odd license that says they're PD in Australia, but might not be in the US. If they aren't in the US, we can't use them, right? Two are dated to 1945, one is listed as 1941-1946 due to his time in the service.
The issue wasn't dealt with during the review process, so far as I can tell. Since you're well acquainted with Commons photos and licensing, can you please check into this? I was actually thinking of swapping this hook earlier, since it's currently set to run during Australian nighttime which seems a waste, but I've decided it's best to leave it in the most junior prep area until you can take a look at it. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:14, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
Either of the cricket ones are definitely PD (would have become PD just as the URAA came into effect), but the military one may in fact be copyrighted in the US because of the URAA. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:51, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
Looks like the military one was the one selected by Yoninah. Can you take care of it, since you can explain the copyright issue, or should I stumble my way through? One way or another, the picture needs to be changed. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:28, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
I would have picked that one too if I hadn't checked the copyright status. Seems like the discussion is at your talk page, so I'll be moving there. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:31, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
DYK nomination of The Complex (band)
Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! --evrik(talk
) 16:55, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
Replied there. It's watchlisted, so you don't have to ping me when you reply. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:00, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
I've got it scheduled for the next queue, which should go up at 0530 IST. Hawkeye7 (talk) 19:24, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
Thanks! I have improved the image description page, the image page needs to be fully protected, I have asked a Commons admin commons:User talk:INeverCry --Tito Dutta (contact) 19:35, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
Full protection done! --Tito Dutta (contact) 21:03, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
Hey Crisco 1492; I'm dropping you this note because you've used
the article feedback tool in the last month or so. On Thursday and Friday the tool will be down for a major deployment; it should be up by Saturday, failing anything going wrong, and by Monday if something does :). Thanks, Okeyes (WMF) (talk
) 21:35, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the heads up. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:03, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
POTD template setup
Hello! At Commons, Krinkle
David Levy
00:53, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
FLC review request
Hey Crisco! Could you help review my current FLC nom please? Cheers! —Bloom6132 (talk) 16:39, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
I'll try to get there tonight my time. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:13, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
Thank you for your review! And since it's your special day and another trip around the sun—
Happy Birthday!
Have a very happy birthday on your special day! Best wishes, Bloom6132 (talk) (00:00, 15 March 2013 (UTC))
Haha, thanks! (takes a big bite) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:02, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
Thank you
Thanks for supporting Espresso Addict and I to keep Camp Agawam on Wikipedia. Mfribbs (talk) 13:17, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
Notability is notability, and that one's definitely notable. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:20, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
I asked the user that proposed the deletion (MrX) to revert the nomination. Do you know when (if) it will be taken down from the deletion list so I can stop worrying? Best Wishes, 72.182.93.87 (talk) 14:01, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
At this point you don't really need to worry, I think. If the nominator withdraws (you may ask him/her) it might be closed sooner, but it looks like a definite keep. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:18, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
Request
Hi, could you do a prose upgrade of the article
WP:GOCE was unlucky. The article is currently a GA and needs some further polishing. Brandmeistertalk
14:09, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
I'll see if I can get to that, but here's a couple quick suggestions: two of your short footnotes are broken (22 and 45 go nowhere) and the lede may need expansion. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:22, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
Crisco, when you're next on can you please take another look at this? You commented on it before. It looks quite comprehensively sourced, but there is that one "citation needed" tag: you'll know better whether the best thing to do is simply remove the tag for the time being, or to have the nominator remove the entry until a replacement is found for the now-gone online video of the performance. (There are a few other entries in the later lists that are unsourced as well, but haven't been tagged.) I'd like to get this one completed; there's been a lot of work done, and it's been sitting for a while. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:12, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
And as long as I'm asking you about old reviews that you touched on, there's Template:Did you know nominations/Catastrophic injury. I was the last person to ask what was up, and when the next-day update didn't take place, forgot about it. It did happen a few days later: can you please check to see whether it's ready to go with any of the proposed hooks? It's another very old one I'd like to clear out if at all possible (but not, of course, if it isn't ready). Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:17, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
Replied to the first one. The second one is related to
WP:MEDRS, which I do not really understand that well. However, to my (non-expert) eyes it looks fine now. — Crisco 1492 (talk
Hi mate, had been thinking of putting this up for TFA for a while and now, in light of Bench's recent plea, sooner rather than later. None of its various reviews included an Indonesian expert, however, so I'd value you having a quick look at the post-war section and just seeing if it all rings true to you. Further, though I'm happy enough with the level of detail, if you think there's a source or two I don't know about that I should use to flesh anything out (English language please!), let me know. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 22:48, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
Added two links, otherwise looks completely plausible. You should probably check George, Margaret (1980). Australia and the Indonesian Revolution. Carlton: Melbourne University Press in association with Australian Institute of International Affairs. if you can find a copy (I only have an Indonesian-language edition); at the very least it can help form a basis of an Australia and the Indonesian National Revolution article. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:34, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Non-U.S._copyrights#endnote_tab_india, I can include a film screenshot of Aurat (1940) right? File:Aurat 1940S.jpg. --RedtigerxyzTalk
04:58, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
If it is a promotional still and not a screenshot, perhaps. Films and photographs are treated differently — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:00, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
The note says "for cinematograph films, sound recordings, photographs, posthumous publications, anonymous and pseudonymous publications, works of government and works of international organisations, this would mean works published before January 1, 1941." Aurat is published before 1941 (1940). --RedtigerxyzTalk 05:12, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
Missed that (damn small font!). Thanks, that would be fine. Make sure to note the somewhat odd copyright circumstances on the file page. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:50, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
Added the image to article and text to image description. --RedtigerxyzTalk 09:27, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
Yep, that looks good. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:31, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
broken footnotes
Is there a tool you used to find those in The Long, Hot Summer or are you just that awesome? Many thanks for your input there. -- Khazar2 (talk) 18:41, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
Great, thanks! You're still awesome even if you used a tool. -- Khazar2 (talk) 23:26, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
D'oh, I gave you the wrong directory. Check above. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:39, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
PR
After inflicting an lbw review on you, how can I refuse?? It would be a pleasure. Sarastro1 (talk) 20:11, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
DYK queues empty
Crisco, just in case you happen to be around, we're in the situation of having four full preps and no full queues. Sometime in the next four hours, one of those preps need to migrate. I'm definitely going to be asleep long before the bot does its thing, so I won't be around to try to chase down an admin. Thanks for being someone I can ask when we develop that nasty empty queues syndrome. ;-) BlueMoonset (talk) 04:07, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
...and, as I was typing the above, Allen3 was moving Prep 1 to Queue 1. Looks like we're set for the next 11+ hours. Sorry to have put the "new messages" banner unnecessarily... BlueMoonset (talk) 04:10, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
And I've done another. Should be set until tonight my time. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:43, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
Many thanks. No need to lie awake worrying tonight, then! ;-) BlueMoonset (talk) 05:23, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
Yep. Enjoy your night! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:24, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
DYK for The Complex (band)
nominate
) 08:03, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
Main page error
Hi, it looks as if you might be around at the moment and that it is sensible o'clock where you are (9.45am Sunday where I am!). It seems the poster is correct about the error in the DYK for La Reyne le veult but it is now off the main page.
On a slightly different note, the DKY nomination for
I only see one dab, so the tag can be removed. However, the page needs some cleanup. A lot of those redlinks are because of forgotten years by the looks of it. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:55, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
Hey. Would it be possible for you to take a look at the article and provide some feedback on PR raised? I am planning to take this up to FLC on the centenary celebration of Indian cinema. Any feedback would be appreciated. - Vivvt • (Talk) 01:04, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
Oh Ok. See if you can get some time from your busy schedule. - Vivvt • (Talk) 01:42, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for your comments. I appreciate. - Vivvt • (Talk) 03:38, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
Might I know what I did wrong???
Hi Crisco!! This is The Wikimon here.. And I'd just like to know what was wrong on the
Mahmoud Ahmedinejad page.. Please don't think I'm questioning your knowledge or your decision, this is just the humble request of a newbie on Wikipedia and I was actually gonna add a few references to it.. Please reply when your free an I'm real sorry if it appears as if I'm rude, cause I'm not and I don't want to be seen like that as well! Thanks again...:)The Wikimon (talk
) 06:12, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
Hi Crisco!! So now I know that ever guy on Wikipedia knows Gread Arendt... I'm like a newbie who has been taken under her wing to teach me the tricks of the trade... And now I've found another great wikibuddy in you!!! BTW, I got back the passage on dear Ahmedinejad and would like to know staright from your mouth (or in this case text) on how it fairs... Is it good, is it bad or ugly.. Tell me just tell me, I can take it! Just kidding with all the theatrics but do tell me...The Wikimon (talk) 13:45, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
Thanks a lot dude!!! Check, check and triple check! I went thru all your links and have understood what I'm supposed to do. Thanks a lot once again!!! Btw how do you remember which rule of Wikipedia means what..??? You quoted them like you were born with the knowledge! Thanks again!The Wikimon (talk) 14:41, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
Thank you
A big thank you for helping out in Mother India. The peer review was outstanding.--Dwaipayan (talk) 14:56, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
You're welcome. Glad I could help, and good job with the article! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:27, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
If, and whenever, you have time (and have any interest), you can have a look at the peer review of Kahaani.--Dwaipayan (talk) 15:39, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
I'll see what I can do. I've been hunkering down with Sair Tjerita Siti Akbari myself. Admittedly much shorter than Mother India, but the sources are quite sparse. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:41, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
at last
we have a difference of opinion - :) - my father had his 2 books published in the UK of the 1930s (sic) stolen by an US based publisher in the 1990's because my father had not claimed copyright in the US in the time they were published - this current argument smells of BS, or of the latrine behind Sonobudoyo library (ahh takes me back) - very unlikely that Kingsford Smith and Ulm would have had their publishers claim copyright over the items at the time of printing... the L of C catalogue shows Sydney [3] - respectfully,
sats
07:53, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
The
URAA is what we generally have to worry about, I think. That's why there are numerous works which are PD in Indonesia but not in the US... I'd have uploaded Boenga Roos dari Tjikembang to Commons if it were also PD in the US. — Crisco 1492 (talk
) 07:58, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
sheesh reading the explanation of the URAA suggests that Bill did inhale (sic), thats more intrinsically Southern Canada than the late Joseph Heller could have encapsulated in his Catch .. logic. Long live Yossarian! "a problematic situation for which the only solution is denied by a circumstance inherent in the problem or by a rule - indeed, give me Donald Duck any day before the US legal monolith...
sats
08:06, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
oops I forgot, its a long time since I have had to deal with internal RI bureaucracy... it is all beginning to fade...
sats
08:08, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
I wish I could avoid it, LOL. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:09, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
Help
Could you please take a look at this? You could also work on it. I'm hoping this will be my first GA. Cheers. ☯ BonkersThe Clown\(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 11:23, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
I gave you some feedback last time: cut back on the plot and extraneous subsections, develop the themes section. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:26, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
Oops, I must have forgotten about those, then. I only remember Blofeld... Anyways, thanks! But what are examples of the irrelevant subsections you're talking about? ☯ BonkersThe Clown\(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 12:34, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
(Almost) every section has at least two subsections for the different parts. If they are indeed so different as to require different sections, the article may need to be split, like the Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows films. Otherwise the sections should be merged — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:45, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
I think it should be treated as a film in whole, just that it was split into two parts for release because of certain limits. Splitting will be kind of messy. Its like a monster! So okay, I will try and merge. Would you be willing to help if a split was ever needed? Thanks. ☯ BonkersThe Clown\(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 12:51, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, I could handle a split. For a less developed article on a two-part film, you could look at Njai Dasima. Sources there aren't as numerous though. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:58, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
Sedap sekali
Hello there, Crisco! March 20 marks the nth year of my conception. Thus, I would like to treat you to a treat. It's halal! (If you're wondering) ;) Cheers, ☯ BonkersThe Clown\(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 12:19, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
Ooh, satay! We just had that for dinner tonight. Terima kasih. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:41, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
You closed a couple of AfD I had proposed recently. That editor has had ~20 of his articles deleted in the past few months and is understandably pretty annoyed. He's tracked me over to sunfish and tagged it. I don't necessarily have a problem with the tag --- you know better than most that I tend to be verbose on my first drafts --- but I'm concerned that this is going to escalate. Would you mind putting the article back on your watchlist? I'm going to let this sit at least another 12 hours. At that point I'll cut the new text down a bit and perhaps add another cite that I have back at the house. After that I'll ping you and the other editor to see if the tag can be removed.
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Glad I could help! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:36, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
Critique, please
Crisco, could you please let me know how I mishandled the recent contretemps that led to
WT:DYK#Editing your own hook in Prep areas? I'm feeling adrift at the moment, and would like some guidance from a more experienced DYK hand. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk
) 13:33, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
I think you were in the right. I'll be posting a more long-winded reply at the talk page. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:47, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
Appreciate it. It's good to know either way. BlueMoonset (talk) 13:57, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
Happy editing!
Hello Crisco 1492, Eduemoni has given you a shining smiling star! You see, these things promote WikiLove and hopefully this has made your day better. Spread the Shining Smiling Star whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or someone putting up with some stick at this time. Enjoy! Eduemoni↑talk↓ 16:34, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
I've completed Stone Mountain Memorial half dollar, another tale of greed and incompetence. Do you want to do the DYK nomination? (I still have to work on images)--Wehwalt (talk) 22:31, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
Hi! Thanks for your continued review. I have replied to all your concerns. Also, posted one question there. You suggested to remove the stars from the review references. and to use critical review templates instead. Can you please direct which templates exactly you suggested? Thanks a lot. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 03:04, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
I was thinking something like {{
Album ratings}}, but for films. We don't seem to have one for films specifically, but something like this would be good. — Crisco 1492 (talk
) 05:17, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
Done. Removed those stars from references. The Critical reception section now has such rating information in a tabular form.--Dwaipayan (talk) 14:15, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
Alright, I'll try to get back there when I have a decent amount of free time. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:56, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
Crisco, can I ask you to take a look at the sourcing on this article? I'm wondering which of the five referenced sites can be deemed reliable:
Atlasobscura.com, now FN1. It's an off-the-beaten-path interesting places site. It gives actually gives three references; unfortunately, one is the Awjila page on Wikipedia, and another is a Lonely Planet guide that I think is currently FN4.
libyan-td.com, now FN2. This was FN1 in my original comment, and I really wonder whether it's a reliable site. (It's also the source for the "great regional importance" phrase, though the site's wording isn't in the best English.)
temehu.com, now FN3. This site has only a few words of text about the mosque, which makes it almost not worth questioning, but the phrase "Berber oasis of Awjla" is the basis of a long sentence in the article on the cultural heritage of the people of the village.
arabictranslationservices.org, now FN5; was FN4 in my first review. Although .org, it's a commercial translation service, and I wonder what makes them a reliable source for Libyan history (it's the basis for the first two-thirds of the History section).
I'm assuming the Lonely Planet guide (now FN4) is okay. Correct? I think the article's prose (and some of its assertions) needs work: for example, just because one of the sources (FN1) says that the fate of the site in the 2011 Libyan civil war is not known, doesn't mean that it really isn't: it seems unencyclopedic to include such a claim.
Thanks as always for your help. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:44, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
Replied there, agree with you on sources — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:25, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
Thank you very much. Good to have another assessment. Speaking of another assessment, Template:Did you know nominations/The Racketeer (novel) is the oldest outstanding "review again" hook. The reviewer who took it up last is of the opinion that none of the hooks were appropriate and supplied her own, and the nominator is of the opinion that the new one won't get nearly the views of the ones she's discounting. I'd like someone else to take a look, since I've had my own opinions since my first intervention to prevent a premature approval, but am unsure of the validity of the arguments here. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:12, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
Replied there, didn't see much else that was potentially interesting. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:41, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. I actually thought Agne's wasn't that bad, and the Washington was really reaching, but think your alt is a better approach. There may need to be a little rephrasing in the article; I seem to remember her edits making the Grisham angle less useful. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:21, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
No, Agne's wasn't bad, but I kinda remember the film version of The Pelican Brief having an African American protagonist as well. Don't recall if his race was mentioned in the book. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:49, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
DYK for Sierk Coolsma
DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.
I've never seen this issue come up before, regarding what counts in a 5x expansion. Epeefleche is willing to go with whatever a third party says, as am I, so if you could be that third party, I'd appreciate it. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:16, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
Ooh, now that's nice. Thanks for the heads up. I've been meaning to get Kuldesak done for a while, but university takes priority. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:40, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
Of course. Just putting it on your radar. :) —Arsonal (talk + contribs)— 08:06, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
Shame we're just missing so much. Probably the best represented period is 1926 - 1949: a third of the films released during this time have articles already. 2006/2007 is probably second, the good Dr stubbed a lot of them. Darah dan Doa and Pengkhianatan G30S/PKI were just created this year... — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:08, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
I noticed you created the graph of films produced over time. Do we have a number of how many films have been produced to date? —Arsonal (talk + contribs)— 08:39, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
My Excel file has 2967 produced through 2012, based on data from filmindonesia.or.id (the digital version of Kristanto's Katalog Film Indonesia). It excludes most shorts and documentaries; it doesn't include TV shows either. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:43, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
FilmIndonesia.or.id has 24 films thus far this year, so nearly 3000 now. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:44, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
I recently re-structured this article and realised it made no reference to cinema, which I thought strange since I know that we have some excellent articles on Dutch East Indian cinema. I have incorporated some material from List of films of the Dutch East Indies, which you created and substantially edited. Please vet my edit and change the text if you wish to write something better. I also added some main article hatnotes. Srnec (talk) 03:34, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
Don't worry about being fair to Foraker. Or perhaps you can just run an extended list on April 2 and 3, so that all articles get three days as Recently Featured.--Wehwalt (talk) 10:28, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
(above response copied to Bencher's talk page) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:31, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
I was wondering whether you could see if the edits are to your satisfaction, or if more work needs to be done. If you'd rather, I can call for a new reviewer. Thanks! BlueMoonset (talk) 02:47, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
Queues are empty, and main page promotion is 100 minutes away
or close to that by the time I finish typing this. At any rate, there are three full preps ready to become queues, though the immediate need is just for one of them. If you're around, I hope you can do one: Prep 4 was built by Mentoz86 and doesn't have any of your hooks in it. Thanks.
I'm about to close up the laptop for the night, so I'll be sound asleep when the promotion does (or doesn't) happen at 08:00 UTC. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:19, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
Are you surprised that as I was typing the above, someone was promoting Prep 4? Me neither. Sorry to bother you! BlueMoonset (talk) 06:30, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
Sorry, I was still in class. I'll try and get another. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:16, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
Victor Maghakian
Hello Crisco,
Is there any way we can have the picture be uploaded on the prep for DYK? Can it be sent to another prep? I would really like to see the picture of the DYK go on the front page. Proudbolsahye (talk) 23:44, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
The image is not clear at 100px, which is why I chose not to use it. No matter which prep it's in, the result would be the same. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:03, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
Research done
A day and a half trolling through archives is fun, but it's hard on my back. Still, I got a lot of good material. The thing is, it's heavily primary sources (condernign the Oregon Trail Memorial Association, sponsor of the [[Oregon Trail Memorial half dollar) I think I can turn it into an article for publication, if I can find a publication that would take it!--Wehwalt (talk) 00:17, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
This sounds like fun! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:02, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
Oh, thanks, that will probably be next to FAC.--Wehwalt (talk) 09:31, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
I'll certainly stop by there. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:03, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
A query on attribution
Hi! This is a query about attribution of opnion. In a current FAC, (please see this diff) I commented on the need of attribution for a comment in the article (the sentence in question: In 1883, it was described as a "disgrace to the county. It could hardly be in a worse condition... and should be repaired immediately.").
What is your opinion on this? I mean, need for attribution for sucha comment? I ask you this because we came across this question of attribution during Mother India peer review where you rightly suggested for attribution for opinions, even though there are footnotes.
It's not a request to comment on that FAC! Just for my own clarification :)--Dwaipayan (talk) 19:01, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for your review and support! Super helpful, as always. :) --Errant(chat!) 00:27, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
Glad to be of service! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:50, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
DYK for Tio Ie Soei
DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.
I just thought you deserve this for keeping tab on so many articles and helping me as well!!! I'm back from my exams and am rearing to go!!! Hope to meet you on an article soon!!! The Wikimon (talk) 13:58, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
Thanks! Looking forward to it! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:35, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
You might want to double check your math(s). By my calculations the set in Prep 4 should appear on the Main page as part of the 16:00 (UTC) update on March 31 (Easter Sunday). --Allen3talk 16:14, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
And now it doesn't... yay. Alright, we can pump the set back a slot after one is promoted. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:16, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
You probably did your check while DYKUpdateBot was in the middle of an update (15 to 20 minutes ago). {{Did you know/Queue/LocalUpdateTimes}} can be a little funky with the times reported during the middle of an update. --Allen3talk 16:24, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
Sounds about right. Thanks for the heads up. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:25, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
You've promoted that on the basis of the original hook, but there was agreement that the ALT1 hook should be used. Valenciano (talk) 16:30, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
I don't see "agreement", but sure. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:32, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
I'm not clear if this is now set for Good Friday or Easter Sunday. The latter would be much better as the point of the episode is that it is "post-Resurrection", ie post-Easter (in fact many days). Also Good Friday has another religious painting image on the TFA. Cheers, & keep up the good work. Johnbod (talk) 17:33, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
Midnight UTC on Easter Sunday, according to the schedule. It should be distanced enough from the TFA. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:47, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
Great, thanks! Johnbod (talk) 04:54, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
Template:Did you know nominations/Lazar the Serb (clockmaker)
Is there a possibility that the image could be used? The nomination was moved to prep without the image.--Zoupan 19:24, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
Yes, it was. The image isn't very attractive at 100px, which is the size it would be shown on the main page. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:43, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
Fair enough, thank you for your reply!--Zoupan 00:04, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
Iron Knuckles are nothing; all you have to do is perform a backflip when they start swinging their axe, directly followed by a jump attack. Repeat until his armor is off, then you can just go up to him and stab until he dies. He won't be able to counter anything. ;)
By the way, did I mention that I have an account on the Zelda Wiki? Kurtis(talk) 12:11, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
Didn't say they were particularly difficult . I'd much rather face them than that... thing... under the well. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:23, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, that's my old friend. Well, let's put it this way: Keese are more difficult to kill than Gohma's eggs — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:03, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
Gohma's eggs you'll only encounter in one specific area, and they are ridiculously easy. Keese, on the other hand, are annoying because they can evade your attacks pretty easily. Kurtis(talk) 13:11, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
I consider them both easy, actually, just one is easier than the other. The fire keese are a different story... — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:14, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
Regarding this nomination, why do you consider the ALT hooks "too April Foolsy". I can understand if perhaps the obfuscation [[National colours of New Zealand|The Black Cocks]] is a bit much, but ALT1 was completely factual and could be used as is on any day. (There was no alteration to make it fit for April Fool's Day.) I think it's far more interesting than the original hook I proposed. Mindmatrix 17:12, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
As it is already the 29th (here), and April Fools is just around the corner, I was worried about potential backlash. Keeping a fairly neutral wording is much better in my opinion, to avoid drama. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:45, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
You could have left discussion open for use as a non-April Fool's Day DYK. The current hook is dull, and will generate few hits. Mindmatrix 15:07, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
Glad they went with my suggestion. I look forward to seeing the reaction it gets on Fish Day! Prioryman (talk) 23:14, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
Awesome... but I doubt there will ever be so short and great a prank again :( Is there any movie titled ! or $ or another one called ??☯ BonkersThe Clown\(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 07:56, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, Indonesian stuff is your expertise... I really like this "prank". Cool stuff. ☯ BonkersThe Clown\(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 08:06, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
April Mop
Dengar2, di Wikipedia EN juga turut merayakan April Mop. Kakak pernah nggak berkontribusi ttg April Mop? Soalnya, inikan udah bulan April. --Akbarini dari Kalbar 03:49, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
Belum April, masih hari besok. Saya... kontribusi untuk April Mop banyak sekali, di hampir setiap bagian halaman depan Wikipedia bahasa Inggris. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:13, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
Ya Allah, "betuah kame'". Kenapa sy bisa lupa? Nah, kakak bisa lihat yg satu ini, karya Bung Erik. --Akbarini dari Kalbar 04:33, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
Wekekek, kalau itu tak mungkin nampak di halaman depan sini. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:39, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
The Barnstar of Diplomacy
Many thanks for defusing "Skyfall". Your intervention is much appreciated and I think that we have now reached a good conclusion, with both parties ready to improve the article further. Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 07:45, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
Thanks! Glad to help! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:51, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
Interview request
Would you be willing to do a brief interview for the Signpost? Please email me if you have time for a few questions. Thanks! --Pine✉ 19:11, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
your "warning"
Why did you post a warning on my talk page? I'm allowed three restorations, especially if they are making progress, and this may be the first time since I've been a Wikipedian that I've reached the 3rd restoration. Is there something I should know? It also seems odd that you would suddenly take an interest in my edits immediately after I spent hours responding to you yesterday. Unscintillating (talk) 22:48, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
DYK for Kidung Abadi
nominate
) 00:04, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
DYK for De Stem des Bloeds
nominate
) 00:04, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
Today's Featured Article
The moment I saw that giant question mark pop up on the main page and hovered over it with my mouse, I knew there was only one individual who could be singled out as the culprit. =P Kurtis(talk) 00:17, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
Ah, isn't that profiling? Thanks. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:29, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
Well, let's just put it this way — the greatest DYK in history has suddenly become the greatest TFA in history. I put 2 and 2 together. =) Kurtis(talk) 01:32, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
And so here I am, blushing... thanks! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:34, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
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I don't follow the goings-on at TFA discussions, so I was completely surprised and delighted to see your huge question mark on the Main Page! Well done! That's another one for the record book. Congratulations! MANdARAX•XAЯAbИAM 00:20, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
Let me pile on; it's a wonderful 1 April setup, especially since (unlike previous articles, such as George Washington) it's not easily made to sound confusing or otherwise tricksy. Nyttend (talk) 02:11, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
I have to agree, it was great. I didn't even realize it was Wikipedia April 1 until I saw it. At first I assumed that there was no TFA ready and a bot updated a ? to point it out. RyanVesey 03:55, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
Oh, that would be fun indeed. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:01, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
Simple and perfect. Couldn't be better. Also, at first I read the talk discussion below as Adminectomy. Bgwhite (talk) 06:39, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
Now that would hurt! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:46, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
Hey Crisco, I just came across this article by Special:Random, as I was curious if you would be able to help improve it. It's a Dutch East Indies newspaper, so you probably would know where to look for and could translate Indonesian sources. Chris857 (talk) 03:09, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
I might be able to find some, yeah... I'll see what I can do. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:19, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
Crisco, I realize that AFD is taking up quite a bit of your time at the moment (that's April Fools Day ;-) ), but when you have a chance, can you please take a look at this and see if the rationale for closing down the review as unsuccessful (that is, rejected), is a valid argument for doing so? Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 07:02, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
Sure. Actually, I've been writing a little about William Bell for a conference next May. Just a basic introduction to Canadian youth literature for Indonesian audiences. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:05, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
Could I get your opinion on two fair-use rationales? File:Spider-Maneffects.ogg and File:Webshootersfilm.jpg. Neither media is essential to the article, though they do add legitimate supporting illustration.
Incidentally, is there a message board/taskforce where I could ask these questions to avoid bothering you each time? Thanks as always for the help. -- Khazar2 (talk) 15:53, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
I'd use {{external media}} for both of them, assuming there is a website that hosts them legitimately. If they're not essential or close to essential, I doubt they pass WP:NFCC#8. I don't mind answering questions about this kind of stuff. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:18, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
Also, note that statements like "The article as a whole is dedicated specifically to a discussion of this work." are patently false... — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:19, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
Nah, they're not essential. I'll simply recommend that they be cut. Thanks as always for the help! -- Khazar2 (talk) 23:22, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
Since I hear you are a expert on the subject. I was wondering what could qualify as a image for the effects section that doesn't have to be a external link? Jhenderson777 19:41, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
Shooting styles, effects which gained a lot of commentary, stuff like that. The fact that they are artificial webshooters does not mean that visuals are inherently necessary. I think Eraserhead and Ruma Maida have some decent examples. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:27, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
I am kind of confused though. That seems to be what File:Spider-Maneffects.ogg has. It depicts how the special effects are made in the high school battle scene. Jhenderson777 13:54, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
Oh, that one's not only because of NFCC#8. The doctrine of minimal use would apply there, and I can't think of a reason for having it hosted locally. If the video was uploaded or hosted on the other site by the copyright holder, we can use {{external media}} to point readers that way. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:01, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
Don't really have a external link of this video that I know of. This video was edited by a another editor. Unless you think the full video can be a external video that is? Jhenderson777 14:09, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, that would be fine, as long as the hosting site owns the rights to the video. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:12, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
Well then. I think I may have a idea (that is if youtube makes a good external image). But I still personally want to find a actual image for the effects image. What about a image like this explaining the CGI of the Lizard a little better? Jhenderson777 14:27, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
That doesn't look to be the copyright owner. Is there anything at the official website? That would be much easier. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:30, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
Even the website says that's it is it's main youtube site. So can that qualify? Jhenderson777 14:51, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
Okay, that looks fine. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:47, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
3rd party asked for comment by nominator: Normally it is ok If and ONLY if the work furthers the readers understanding more than prose can allow. In this case I think the video meets that requirement as the Lizard character is a large component of the film and its technical underpinnings are mentioned throughout the article. The web shooter article, if we are to be very, very strict probably provides information that text can accurately replicate as it isn't a complex image, that said I'm not sure where it falls in terms of copyrightable material since it's a series of basic shapes rather than some complex, identifiable image. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 20:12, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
Darkwarriorblake explained this on the GA nomination and I requested it to be moved here. I want to get this cleared up since there is another editor ok for the video file. Which is making me struggle on deciding what to do. Also I did ask if images like these could work if they had commentary if I were to remove the video file but I didn't get a response about that one yet. Jhenderson777 17:23, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
I'm generally a lot more strict than some others, so naturally there will be some wiggle room. As for the web shooters, I doubt they are {{
pd-simple}} as they are more than just squares, rectangles, and circles. — Crisco 1492 (talk
) 22:44, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
DYK for Lewat Djam Malam
nominate
) 16:05, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
DYK for Sex for Breakfast
nominate
) 16:05, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
April's Fool reward
Hello Crisco 1492, Eduemoni has given you a shining smiling star! You see, these things promote WikiLove and hopefully this has made your day better. Spread the Shining Smiling Star whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or someone putting up with some stick at this time. Enjoy! Eduemoni↑talk↓ 02:54, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
I was thinking that seeing as we have 3 pictures for Easter, and there are three prep areas in which it will be Easter for some readership, that we should have those pictures up. April Fools has 3 slots where it's April 1st for people too. Surely Gibraltar can come up as soon as those dates are over? PanydThe muffin is not subtle 16:35, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
Those Easter poles look terrible at 100px, so I deliberately didn't use it. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:36, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
Do we get discretion on that then? It was a-oked at the nomination. (There's no way to ask that question online that doesn't sound passive-aggressive so please believe me when I say I genuinely want to know} PanydThe muffin is not subtle 16:39, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, we've got discretion. "Not every submitted picture can be featured in the picture slot of course," at
WP:DYKSG, which also says we should save the good images so they can run. — Crisco 1492 (talk
) 16:42, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
Hi Crisco -- you promoted my Burleydam hook just now, but it seems to have got lost? Probably the headache of Easter & April Fools? I'll be offline over much of Easter, so keen for it not to get lost for ever. Cheers, Espresso Addict (talk) 16:58, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
Cheers. After a break something always falls through the cracks! PanydThe muffin is not subtle 21:30, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
Espresso Addict, I'm sure we'll find a way to get it in. Maybe we should pull it back so it can run after April Fools, when you're back, rather than try to squeeze it in before hand? On the other hand, if a hook has to be removed from a set because of some issue or other, we have a ready-made replacement, though that would likely be for an Easter Sunday prep area, which seems less than ideal if you're not around to see it... BlueMoonset (talk) 23:39, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
It likely got lost between the edit conflicts while I was promoting. I'll undo my promotion of the hook now. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:48, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
diff Why would an admin provide support to two delete !voters engaged in a referencectomy? Delete !voters do not need to remove references from the topic of the AfD, because they believe that the entire topic will soon be deleted by consensus. Unscintillating (talk) 02:57, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
That is not a reference. It is for finding new references. Of value in an AFD, yes, but not for the article's readers. The consensus currently emerging is clearly against having such an external link. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:18, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
You can say it is "not a reference", but you are using a slightly different meaning of the word, and avoiding the point. No one found a problem with the material until after the start of the AfD when the nominator decided to remove it. The consensus that is "emerging" is being built on two editors attracted to the article by the AfD, both of whom are !voting delete. It should be obvious to you that there is a problem with removing material that supports notability from an article, during an AfD. Unscintillating (talk) 05:14, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
Nobody was reading the article until the AFD, so the point is moot. The article itself had seen no edits (except for bots) in over a year. If you disagree about the removal, feel free to comment at the current AFD (more visible) or talk page, and include the link for finding sources. I've already told you, if the link is meant to help find sources it should definitely be posted at the AFD. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:19, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
Hey Crisco, I just found out that a lake near my house Fish Lake, Minnesota used to have a swastika beach page 40. Is that trivial information or is it something that should be put into the article? RyanVesey 00:02, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
Might be worth including. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:04, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
Apparently it can be found here as well. What's the best way to include it, since it is based on primary sources. "As of 1914, a beach on the lake was named 'Swastika Beach'."? RyanVesey 00:06, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
Well, we all know how much to rely on something written into a WP article without being adequately sourced. IMHO, the use of "as of" here would be slightly ambiguous. You could say "maps of the area dated [year] indicate [defined location] was named Swastika Beach<ref>citation/link to map</ref>". -- Ohconfucius ping / poke 02:04, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
I'll go with that. On a related note, the entire no original research and avoiding interpretations of primary sources really hurts my academic writing. I've gotten pretty good at writing in the encyclopedic style that I often get criticized for relying too much on sources in my college essays. On another related note, I need to get back to User:Ryan Vesey/Temp. It would have been in the mainspace long ago but trying to get all the deaths in there bogged me down. RyanVesey 02:14, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
I'd go with OhC's suggestion. As for interpreting primary sources... I'm having the same problems. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:51, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
I waited, but you didn't show up
The editor in question has disrupted Wikipedia for far too long and caused probably half the drama at ANI over the past few months. Jimbo's written that Carbuncle threatened his family, and DC has been edit warring in two places today alone. Coupled with the blatant off-Wiki personal attacks which DC proudly authors, it is high time we realise s/he is NOTHERE.
Jimbo has never accused me of threatening his family. I have not and would not do anything like that. I have not caused "probably half the drama at ANI over the past few months" and anyone who frequents ANI will know that this is an absurd claim. You have started a ban discussion with provably false claims, although editors unfamiliar with me might assume that they are true since, after all, they were written on the admin board by an admin. In a less serious context, I wouldn't care, but since you are trying to get me banned, I am going to insist that you either correct the record or substantiate your claims as soon as you are able. Thanks. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 04:20, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
I was busy with RL, something I suggest you do. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:33, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
Edited with a parenthetical and link, in case you or someone looking at this page misses that. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:06, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
Crisco1492, I pointed out your errors on ANI. When you didn't correct them, I left a polite message here. Your response "I was busy with RL, something I suggest you do" is unnecessary rudeness and, frankly, bizarre given our relative levels of investment in WP. As you have already been told, Jimbo's comment was not directed at me. Although it appears that the result will be the same, I insist that you correct your ban proposal once again. Thanks. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 13:06, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
If you could, by email, indicate who it was referring to, I would be happy to look further into it before reediting the statement; circumstantial evidence at the time suggested you, although if you have been misjudged there I will be happy to redact that part of the proposal. I apologise for accidentally misrepresenting Jimbo's closing statement as a direct announcement that you had threatened him, and promise to not do so in the future. As for the rudeness... suffice it to say I've had a very long day, both on and off Wiki, and I apologise for being overly brisk. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:15, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
What is your e-mail address? I would be happy to send the identity/evidence to you, but not through the Wikimedia e-mail forwarding system. (Reason being, I believe that Mr. Wales falsely made the claims of being threatened, and so it would not be appropriate for Wikimedia Foundation servers to be handling such evidence, from a legal perspective.) Just state your e-mail address here. - 2001:558:1400:10:4C57:5FC3:DF40:AE76 (talk) 13:51, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
I'd rather not post it in such a public forum. I'll make a throwaway address instead. BRB. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:55, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
Crisco1492, if I'm going to jump through hoops it will be to pursue action against you for making such an egregious accusation. I have told you that you are wrong, someone else has told you that you are wrong. I don't need to explain any further - fix it now. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 13:58, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
I've already created the account. You may email your argument to crisco1492outlook.com. Someone else says that s/he believes I am wrong, but there is no doubt that Jimbo stated (not necessarily accurately) that someone behind that forum was dangerous to him and his family while closing a thread started by you. At best it's guilt by association. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:10, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
Surely someone such as yourself recognises that discretion may be necessary, such as when one of the forum members said I was a sock of Benjiboi and if they were wrong they'd "eat their hat". I was doxed within several hours. I already offered an accommodation to you by creating a throwaway address, as you (or an unrelated IP address) felt uncomfortable sending information via the system already available. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:15, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
Jimbo's comment was not about me in any regard, so it makes no difference what that IP tells you. Are you going to correct your statements at ANI or do I have to take further action? Delicious carbuncle (talk) 14:40, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
I am in the midst of doing so. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:46, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
Done, including a rev delete. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:03, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
Rev deleting 250 edits to hide something you said seems a little out of order to me. Shouldn't you have just said sorry? Or used strikethrough? Kevin (talk) 22:14, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
I did all three. As I considered it essentially a personal attack once it was proven baseless, it was technically within policy. I could restore, however — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:30, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
Yes, you should undo the redaction. Simply striking/removing it and apologising serves the necessary purpose, and given that it is not a particularly severe attack coupled with the large number of revisions, revdel is not suitable imo (see
Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know that you did something silly.
No personal attacks. I'll block you next time. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:53, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
Difficult to understand parts in Kahaani
In the peer reviw of Kahaani, you mentioned the difficulty in understanding a sentence (Some actors mingled with the crowd—their job was to appreciate the camera angles and accordingly apply sindoor (vermilion) on Balan's face so that accidental exposure of her eyes to sindoor could be avoided.). Now explanatory notes have been added to ease the understanding. Can you please have a look and see if that part is more understandable now? Thanks.--Dwaipayan (talk) 15:00, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
Maybe later. Really gotta buckle down on my school work. Mid-term seasons coming up soon. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:05, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
Sure! A "study break".--Dwaipayan (talk) 15:24, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
DYK for Zoebaida
DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.
It's been a long time since this has happened, but all the queues are empty. Even more, all the preps are full. Any chance of promoting one in the next four hours or so? Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:34, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
Sorry, I was out of the house from 6:30 to 17:30. Got one, but someone else had already gotten there. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:52, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
What do you mean
You don't like fried chicken or you just think that oil isn't good for frying it? Deignknits (talk) 13:58, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
I prefer my wording on my user page. That is all. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:04, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.
You're welcome. The general consensus is that plot summaries are cited to the work in question (for instance, at Wikipedia:How to write a plot summary), so to verify it we just need to watch or read the work. Now, for lost films like Terang Boelan we still have to cite. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:08, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
I've used italics as it is a book-length poem (WP:ITALICS specifically states "Long or epic poems" as a valid use). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:11, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
Don't fret – I'm not here to ask you about Australia. Rather, I'm seeking your advice regarding this old news article. It contains a rare picture of subject above mentioned. I had been searching hard for such a photograph to no avail... Until I encountered this. How do I extract the image from the scanned article? Screenshot and crop? Thanks. ☯ BonkersThe Clown\(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 04:54, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
Thank you, Crisco! That was quick! I knew I could count on you for this type of things. Now I know what to do next time... Cheers, ☯ BonkersThe Clown\(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 05:26, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
That's how I've been getting the newspaper ads for films like Fatima and Siti Noerbaja; quite useful. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:29, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
Usually in other cases I would just conveniently press and hold and save image... But today was a bit different as that couldn't be done. ☯ BonkersThe Clown\(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 05:33, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
I've completed Ezra Meeker. It took me eight or nine days to finish it but it was probably beyond 5x by the fifth day, if you want to take a shot at a DYK nom. This one's going to be on the fast track to FA I think.--Wehwalt (talk) 00:17, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
Wow, now that's cool. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:25, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
It's quite a story.--Wehwalt (talk) 00:30, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
DYKcheck says it's 2 days past the 5 day limit, but as we all know that's in Thai Time, so Crisco, pls nominate. I edited it so I shouldn't. PumpkinSkytalk 00:31, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
What should be the hook? The image is obvious, the infobox one. Father Time.--Wehwalt (talk) 00:35, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
I took a shot at one. Thanks to both of you for your help btw.--Wehwalt (talk) 00:45, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
You're welcome. BTW, if either of you are going to Wikimania... looks like I'll see you there — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:46, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
Regrettably I can't go. Have a good time though!--Wehwalt (talk) 00:48, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
Darn. It should be interesting... and I doubt next year's Wikimania will be in a reasonably accessible place for me. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:54, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
Hong Kong's a bit of a way for me. And I'm not sure how long I could sit listening to Jimbo without exploding. Over/under's about a minute :)--Wehwalt (talk) 00:58, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
i have no desire to go to any Wikimania whatsoever.PumpkinSkytalk 01:00, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
I think I would have enjoyed it in the era when I used to enjoy going to science fiction conventions.--Wehwalt (talk) 01:04, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
You two can probably figure out why I won't go.PumpkinSkytalk 01:05, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
Understandable. Anyhoo, on Meeker, I'll give myself a few days to go through all the clippings I photographed and see if there's any tidbits worth including. Then maybe peer review at the end of the week.--Wehwalt (talk) 01:16, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, I got that. Meeker sounds like it's going places fast... hope I have time to at least look at it for FAC. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:48, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
Depends on where it is when Longacre is promoted (assuming). If it's ready, I'll run it, if not I'll put on the three buck piece. Articles with the research and images I got in January are starting to be promoted :) . Anyhow, thanks for the good words on the DYK; I suspect it will wind up getting run but if not, no big deal. --Wehwalt (talk) 15:32, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
I'll certainly schedule time to review the 3$ piece. It's in pretty darn good shape as-is. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:35, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. I appreciate the edits on Meeker, but can you hold off until I edit again? I intend to do some work offline and if you make changes it gets messy (I can do it but like I said, it gets messy)? I am going to have some offline time and will work on it then over the next day.--Wehwalt (talk) 16:09, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
No problem. I just wanted to get those DABs out of the way. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:21, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
Thanks on that. I have added some material and tweaked things a bit and I am going to list it for peer review.--Wehwalt (talk) 07:15, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
Alright, good luck! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:17, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
I'll try, if I have the time. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:54, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
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Indonesia, at 35k? Not all that bad. Compare Canada, at 46k readable prose... a little better fleshed out, I think. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:30, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
Pembrita Betawi
Hey, I saw you put your newspaper article Pembrita Betawi up for DYK. User:Crtew was talking about trying to queue up some journalism hooks for World Press Freedom Day, May 3; I don't know if that's of interest to you, but I figured I'd put you two in touch about it. I'll direct him to this thread. -- Khazar2 (talk) 18:54, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
Thank you Khazar. I don't believe I've run across you yet in Wikipedia Crisco 1492. I work primarily with journalism articles. Anyway, I was asking Khazar for some advice on how we could request that Wikipedia run some thematic material about press freedom and journalism on World Press Freedom Day which is 3 May. Khazar suggested I talk to you about getting some DYKs in the line. Can you offer some advice? Thank you, Crtew (talk) 19:08, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
I don't mind holding for World Press Freedom Day, and I've left a note to such at the nomination.
@Crtew: It's simply a matter of writing the articles and nominating them at
Malari Incident. I know a bit about the Indonesian press, but my academic focus is mostly literature (rather closely related in Indonesia, admittedly) and films. — Crisco 1492 (talk
) 22:25, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
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