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The result was nominator withdrawn. Subject seems to be notable
Institute of Inspection Cleaning and Restoration Certification (IICRC)
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Non-notable organization with little or no third-party coverage, article seems to be an advertisement and all of the author's other contribs are links to this article
- A shaky keep; definite clean up After a quick search I found a few compelling articles. It seems that being "IICRC certified" is a well known certification. Take a look here, it mentions "Amant’s technicians are IICRC certified".This as well states "Qualified technicians are certified from The Institute of Inspection, Cleaning and Restoration Certification (IICRC)." Here's where I found it, take a look for yourself. What are your thoughts on that? I think, seeing what I found, this article should be kept and certainly cleaned up/made more encyclopedic . Hmm, talk) 23:37, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Some feedback This is all great feedback about the page...I would like to point out a few organizations that support and endorse the IICRC such as the American National Standards Institute (
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The result was delete. J04n(talk page) 01:02, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The Present (book)
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The book the article discusses does not meet
The primary contributors to the article have been User:Thefoolonthehill8, the creator, and User:Johnnybgoode100 who has done some mild vandalism by removing tags. They have both been notified of this AfD.
The last addition of content was over a week ago. WingtipvorteX PTT ∅ 23:13, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. All valid concerns of this being a promotion aside, there is simply no notability here. A search brings up nothing that would be usable as a reliable source. I wouldn't say it's a hoax necessarily- the book does exist, but that still doesn't make it notable. This is only borderline promotional, so I'm not sure it'd get speedied even if it was tagged with G11 . (。◕‿◕。) 03:47, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete The main claim to notability is leading (but not yet winning) a competition set up by college students. Does the book or contest have any coverage in reliable sources? Neither is easy to Google for (lots of irrelevant results), but I certainly can't see evidence of references establishing notability and it doesn't meet any other requirements of ]
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The result was keep. J04n(talk page) 10:44, 12 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Ibiza Rocks Hotel
Advertising. No reliable sources. The Banner talk 16:25, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete, fails WP:GNG, no reliable sourecs establishing notability. Jezhotwells (talk) 12:55, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep This Hotel should be kept due to the fact that it has become an established venue for a rock and dance music festival during the summer months attracting many top bands and artists to play there. This gives it notability other than just as a Hotel Cheeseladder (talk) 08:00, 30 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Relistedto generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, J04n(talk page) 22:00, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment At present I am neutral on this discussion but I want to point out that reliable sources independent of the subject of the page. J04n(talk page) 22:02, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Cheeseladder's claim of "notable because it's a venue for famous musical acts" is not based on any notability guideline. Notability is not inherited. Does not appear to have the required type and quantity of coverage in reliable and independent sources to satisfy Wikipedia's notability guidelines. Edison (talk) 04:48, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
KeepThe hotel article may need to be re-named to incorporate the fact that it is a regular music venue/festival and achieves notability as a regular event such as Reading festival or Glastonbury. These festivals are notable and have there own articles.Cheeseladder (talk) 06:50, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]- Keep doesn't fail Wikipedia:GNG, the article could do with a few more independent references, which I’m sure could be added.Demax (talk) 09:34, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete I tried cleaning it up by removing non-notable content, promotional content, non-encyclopedic content, etc. and looking for reliable sources to establish notability. It still appears to be a non-notable hotel that was placed on wikipedia in a promotional manner as I am unable to locate significant WP:RS coverage to establish notability. ConcernedVancouverite (talk) 16:52, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Note I have tried to re-locate individual Hotel articles to Wikivoyage, but there they are instantly deleted by administrators as articles about individual hotels are not considered for inclusion. If this is the cotinues to be the case Wikivoyage is doomed to failureCheeseladder (talk) 11:24, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep A notable hotel in Ibiza for its music event. Plenty of reliable sources for the hotel and music [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], [10], [11], [12], [13], [14], [15].♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 15:55, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep: passes GNG, as per Doc. B - SchroCat (talk) 12:19, 10 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. J04n(talk page) 01:05, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Fir Hill Manor
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Delete per
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- Weak keep bearing in mind the Manor is not a living person so WP:DYK I rewrote and reorganised the article and I think it is suitable to remain. Sionk (talk) 22:06, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Invalid deletion rationale. Clearly a notable house.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 11:31, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep The subject has been discussed at length by a number of reliable independent sources, which are cited. Notability is established. What got those sources interested in the subject is irrelevant. Aymatth2 (talk) 13:30, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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- Keep Notability has been established with multiple references (one dates to 1907). --Rosiestep (talk) 14:04, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep -- Perhaps not well-written, but an inheritacne that went unclaied for so long and of such a size is probably notable. I have left a comment on the talk page about some of the content, which may not be quite accurate. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:02, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per nom (outside of the nonsensical WP:BLP1E contention. Nom states that there was a BBC documentary about this topic as well as several news outlets giving coverage.--Oakshade (talk) 21:54, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. J04n(talk page) 18:07, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Gina Tron
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Fails
- Delete per nom. --WingtipvorteX PTT ∅ 23:31, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete writing one article that gets published in multiple places does not make someone notable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:38, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. This was a difficult close, and I even found myself going back and forth several times as I evaluated the discussion. While the original nomination is indeed a poor (one might almost say invalid) argument, the notability concerns brought up in the discussion are more worrisome. Given that there is only one source, which is not even about Mr. Chmykhalov, there isn't enough verifiable material to support the claims that he is notable. If his list of credits could be verified, then I would agree he meets
]Alexander Chmykhalov
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Non-notable in English-speaking world; no reason for inclusion in English-language Wikipedia. Quis separabit? 19:11, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep This is the English language encyclopedia of the entire world, not the encyclopedia of the English speaking world. Notability is worldwide and can be demonstrated by sources in any language, and notable actors performing in any language are eligible for articles. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 22:57, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy Keep per Cullen328 and WP:ENTERTAINER. He is clearly notable as far as WP is concerned. --WingtipvorteX PTT ∅ 23:30, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong keep, rationale is irrelevant. Furthermore, he has appeared in notable television shows. ]
- Comment While the rationale's mention of the English-language Wikipedia is inappropriate, the fundamental here is the question of notability. Looking at this case, the article is a largely autobiographical article about a young actor. He appears in a theatre, he has parts in some TV episodes, he does a local voiceover for SpongeBob SquarePants; does this amount to clear evidence of ]
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- Delete The subject is clearly a working actor but even within the sparcely-sourced article I am not seeing clear signs of him being more than a man with a variety of jobs. The described film parts (witness, hooligan, guest worker etc.) do not indicate major roles, nor do the theatrical parts (parrot, soldier, postman, etc.). At best this appears to be WP:NACTOR notability, and if someone identifies such then I am happy to revise that opinion. AllyD (talk) 22:07, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Too soon? He's the title character voice for Cleveland Brown in the The Cleveland Show in the Ukraine. Mkdwtalk 20:37, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep being notable in English sources is not an inclusion criteria. The delete motion should fail on faulty logic.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:24, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment So is the preferance to take this particular nomination to a speedy procedural close - after which I will re-nominate on the grounds that the subject does not meet ]
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- Keep appears to be notable and also per the above keeping comments raised. ]
- Strong Keep As a voice actor, he seems to be, in Ukrainian television, on the same level as Clancy Brown or Tom Kenny. That's Notable enough. Comment: I have been discouraged by the lack of coverage of international television, and rather than forcing us to prove his notability (his credit list speaks for itself) we should encourage more writing about non-English performers and performances. Listmeister (talk) 14:37, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete do not see any evidence that the subject has had any significant roles, has a large fan base, or made any significant contributions; fails ]
- Keep Notability is notability. There is no distinction between languages. He holds the titled voice roles in a nationally syndicated television series: WP:NACTOR #1, the fact that he's done voice over for other Nickelodeon series such as SpongeBob SquarePants only supports the criteria. Mkdwtalk 20:35, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak delete. I checked for sources in Russian and was not able to find anything that hinted at notability according WP:GNG. Note also that the article is an autobiography.--Ymblanter (talk) 21:34, 10 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete or userfy, per WP:ENTERTAINER; Chmykhalov's theatrical roles seem to be entirely in youth theater, and his cartoon-voiceover work is for seasons or portions of seasons. If kept, the article needs a much better translation; the prose is barely comprehensible. Miniapolis 14:42, 13 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Speedy delete a1, a3,
]Extra more
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Wikipedia isn't a dictionary
Move the contents of the article to Wiktionary. ♦ Tentinator ♦ 18:56, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. J04n(talk page) 01:11, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oyunbat Bayarjargal
Insufficient evidence of notability given. SarekOfVulcan (talk) 18:47, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak keep While the article itself doesn't seem to be quite complete, it does seem to (weakly) pass Talk 19:44, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. I am the article creator, but it seemed to me when creating the article, and still does, that as the individual has played in a full FIFA sanctioned international match that he passes WP:NFOOTY. In fact, from the source provided above, he has played in a world cup qualifier and all three of the recent Asian Challenge Cup Qualifiers. I freely admit that the article is brief as it is difficult to find online sources for Mongolian players, but I don't see any conflict with NFOOTY. I will add some sources for his more recent appearances. Fenix down (talk) 08:51, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. Actually on further research, looking at the reports for the matches the Soccerway website says he played in, he was apparently an unused sub in the WC qualifier, was a used sub in the first of the AFC Challenge Cup Qualifiers and an unused sub in the other two, so only has one Cap. Still passes NFOOTY, but only has the one cap. I have updated the article to reflect this. Fenix down (talk) 09:59, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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- Keep - meets ]
- Keep - meets WP:NFOOTBALL by playing in a fully sanctioned FIFA match, not every article that needs improving should be deleted. GuzzyG (talk) 22:33, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - senior international footballer, presumed notable per ]
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The result was delete. J04n(talk page) 01:13, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
IZEROX Inc
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Article about a non-notable company. The references in this article are unreliable and I am unable to find any reliable sources in Google News, HighBeam, NewsBank, CNET, JSTOR, Credo and Questia. Fails
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- Delete - I cannot find a single reference to the company beyond their own materials and thus fails Talk 19:32, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - No WP:RS All links are to Youtube, Twitter, Facebook and other self published material. Arjayay (talk) 14:12, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Withdrawn. (
Finding Dory
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No announcement of production start date, fails
]- Withdrawing nomination - This article is notable enough to be kept on its own page. I guess I made a mistake. My apologies. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 19:18, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong keep This is exactly why Globo News [22], Veja (magazine) [23] The Daily Telegraph (Australia) [24] Herald Sun [25]. Also per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brave (2012 film). Ryan Vesey 18:39, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Per WP:NFF, "In the case of animated films, reliable sources must confirm that the film is clearly out of the pre-production process, meaning that the final animation frames are actively being drawn and/or rendered, and final recordings of voice-overs and music have commenced." But in this particular case, ]
- I'll also note that it appears that Brave was still in pre-production when it was kept in June 29, 2010 and that the article existed since April 9, 2008; although the second part means less because that could be an aspect of nobody having tried to nominate it. Ryan Vesey 18:50, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Per WP:NFF, "In the case of animated films, reliable sources must confirm that the film is clearly out of the pre-production process, meaning that the final animation frames are actively being drawn and/or rendered, and final recordings of voice-overs and music have commenced." But in this particular case, ]
- Keep - Adequate sources to meet WP:GNG. Even if not kept as a standalone article, the sourced material should be merged to Finding Nemo#Sequel and this should be retained as a redirect. Rlendog (talk) 18:43, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Keep per above. --GSK ● ✉ ✓ 18:44, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep: Easily meets WP:GNG, which trumps NFF in this csae. Really similar to what happened in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brave (2012 film) (AfD, kept, two years before release).--Milowent • hasspoken 18:44, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- see also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cars 2 (film) (2nd nomination) (AfD, keep, over THREE years before release). Why? Because it already met GNG.--Milowent • hasspoken 18:47, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Meets WP:GNG and for reasoning already pointed out by other users, regarding its similarity to what transpired with Brave and Cars 2 Also, if we were to delete this article, then why shouldn't the same be done for The Good Dinosaur? That film, also has yet to produce any verifiable sources indicating that it's out of pre-production and it doesn't even have any confirmed casting. If The Good Dinosaur meets WP:GNG, so does Finding Dory.~ Jedi94 (talk)
- Strong Merge to Finding Nemo. While I'm okay with articles for films before production starts, I believe that there has to be as significant amount of content that would be too much too include elsewhere. At this point in time, I do not that is the case. All of the information can very easily be included at Finding Nemo without overfilling the page (in fact, most of the content is already there). When there is significantly more information available, or when production starts, it should be made into a full article. JDDJS (talk) 19:19, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Merge to ]
- Keep Future fiulms are generally not notable, but sometimes there are exceptions. This is clearly one of those cases as there is plenty of material available to satisfy the GNG. --ThaddeusB (talk) 20:21, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Snow Keep 1. Major new film of one of the top grossing animated films ever. 2.Lot's of verifiable sources.--RandomLittleHelpertalk 22:30, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Keep Its confirmed x100! talk) 22:44, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep This article is notable enough and meets ]
- Strong keep Even if this page were to be deleted, another one like it would eventually be made because the movie will come out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.5.235.22 (talk) 01:42, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to The Vampire Diaries#Spin-off. J04n(talk page) 18:12, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The Originals (TV series)
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Delete per nomination and
]- Redirect to chatter) 00:25, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect as per Nate. While there is some coverage (and much speculation) for this potential new series, the section in the Vampire Diaries article should suffice for now, at least until the show actually gets picked up. Gong show 03:01, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Speedy keep. Withdrawing nomination, since article has been improved. ❤ Yutsi Talk/ Contributions ( 偉特 ) 17:18, 8 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The Regional Medical Center (of Orangeburg & Calhoun Counties)
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- Keep Nearly 100 year old hospital; the only hospital for two counties. I have added several references and will continue to research it, but the hospital is clearly notable. On the other hand the article title is awkward and should be changed - not sure to what --MelanieN (talk) 17:32, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep much better article now. SalHamton (talk) 22:16, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. J04n(talk page) 18:15, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Paul Dorrego
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Not properly referenced article, edited by 6
]- Strong delete Appears to be promotional. ❤ Yutsi Talk/ Contributions ( 偉特 ) 17:45, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Totally promotional, not notable. Icarus of old (talk) 15:49, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - Does not seem to meet notability criteria. Hoverfish Talk 22:03, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. J04n(talk page) 18:15, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Anno Online
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This is on a game that is not yet released - and so possibly may never be. I can't see how it is
]- The game is in German open beta and has been said to be released in English as well. --Gourra (talk) 17:13, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Its own website simply says 'coming soon'. Boleyn (talk) 17:16, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Please read the article again; I posted a link where they said (on March 27) that closed beta in English will start "within the next two month [sic]". What about other games that had been in closed and open beta but did not have their articles tagged for deletion? --Gourra (talk) 17:19, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Its own website simply says 'coming soon'. Boleyn (talk) 17:16, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, so it's coming soon (hopefully, as these things can always be subject to delay/cancellation). Your second comment is simply that ]
- Keep A simple Google Search gives several credible reviews by gaming sites, so I think it's notable. Sorry that I can't link to the pages directly, my school's firewall blocks gaming sites. ❤ Yutsi Talk/ Contributions ( 偉特 ) 17:52, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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- Keep: http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/08/16/anno-online-sets-sail-for-new-f2p-world, http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/02/06/anno-online-preview-the-next-generation-of-browser-games/, http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/08/16/might-magic-submarines, http://www.strategyinformer.com/pc/annoonline/previews.html, http://www.gamestar.de/spiele/anno-online/artikel/48727.html, http://venturebeat.com/2012/09/06/ubisofts-beautiful-anno-online-goes-free-to-play-on-the-pc/ --talk) 22:17, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Nice amount of secondary source coverage here. — Cirt (talk) 04:28, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - Enough of Atlantima's sources are considered reliable to meet the ]
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The result was delete. J04n(talk page) 01:15, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
A straight path
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The book fails the notability guidelines. Wikipedia:Notability (books) ♦ Tentinator ♦ 17:08, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Self-published debut novel with no signs of notability. No reviews in significant independent sources. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 18:17, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - Per above. Also, almost all of article is a straight copvio of the from Harper Collins write up plus only references are to Amazon.com. Star767 21:43, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per above. I wasn't able to find anything to show that this book passes notability guidelines. (。◕‿◕。) 04:17, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Withdrawn. GSK ● ✉ ✓ 18:53, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Single-Cell Analysis
The article does not assert why it is notable. GSK ● ✉ ✓ 17:00, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Withdrawing my nomination and ]
- Keep I added two references, one a book on single-cell analysis and the other a special journal issue devoted to the topic. A search for "single cell analysis" on Google Scholar shows 24,900 hits. This is a highly notable topic, per WP:SURMOUNTABLE. A highly notable topic and surmountable article problems suggests keeping this article. --Mark viking (talk) 22:53, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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- I'm going with a weak keep; it is not the worse stub I've seen. Biology topics are usually per se notable. Bearian (talk) 18:37, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Speedy deleled as a hoax.--Ymblanter (talk) 15:20, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
List of Philippine monarchs
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I want this article (List of Philippine monarchs) deleted because this entire article is obviously only one big joke. There is no sense, logic or scientific veracity to any of the people or states listed here. This article is a waste of space. Thank You.
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- Comment. My first inclination was to close this as speedy keep, because the nominating statement doesn't really clearly assert a policy based reason to delete this. But I also question whether there is such a thing as 'monarch of the Philippines', or whether figures like José Rizal claimed to rule as kings. - Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 14:45, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete This smells as one big steaming pile of
poophoax. –HTD 14:50, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] - Delete as probable hoax. The only source given for this list of alleged monarchs is a page at an alternative history Wikia. I Googled a sampling of these names and found nothing. To the best of my knowledge there were no "Three Generals" who chased the Spanish out of the Philippines in 1571. Nor did Jose Rizal call himself a monarch. --Arxiloxos (talk) 15:15, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. Sandstein 18:13, 12 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Bitcasa
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Nonnotable software startup
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- Comment, the subject appears to have received passing mention in multiple non-primary non-english sources, but given the language barrier, I cannot determine whether any of those mentions are significant coverage of the subject, or to what extent the size of the passing mentions in those multiple non-primary sources would add up to significant coverage, or whether those sources are reliable at all. Perhaps this should be labelled with a Eastern European delsort, so that those who can interpret the slavic alphabet can look at the sources.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 23:56, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Hi there. This article seems relevant to me as I've seen Bitcasa mentioned in tech press, especially when other cloud providers are reviewed. The guidelines link I just read said that notability for companies includes independent press coverage and profiles. I see plenty of coverage and profiles when I search them. The language in the article does however have a marketing angle to it and needs to be toned down, but the sources are good to me. (Bloomberg, TechCrunch, etc)Synergee (talk) 07:22, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- "Profiles" are cheap. Just cut and paste from company's handouts. A good PR guy may generate dosens of such placements (Bloomberg, TechCrunch, etc). Especially because the startup investors are vitally interested in publicity. The key word here is "independent". I.e. someone actually tried the product or collected the statistics of usage. talk) 16:02, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- "Profiles" are cheap. Just cut and paste from company's handouts. A good PR guy may generate dosens of such placements (Bloomberg, TechCrunch, etc). Especially because the startup investors are vitally interested in publicity. The key word here is "independent". I.e. someone actually tried the product or collected the statistics of usage.
- Keep, good deal of secondary source coverage. — Cirt (talk) 01:05, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Usual marketroid superhype about promised future user's bliss, available for each and every startup. talk) 04:21, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Usual marketroid superhype about promised future user's bliss, available for each and every startup.
- Comment. TechCrunch is a reliable outlet, but it is the only good reference. This software has won a TC contest, and so TC wrote an article about it, tad self-promotional. Needs independent reviews, and one in PCWorld is still not cutting it, IMHO. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:31, 31 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Relistedto generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Lankiveil (speak to me) 13:24, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Another encyclopedia subject. - Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 14:53, 2 April 2013 (UTC)'[reply]
- Keep Is my official vote after digging a bit deeper. Many US storage providers are not actually encrypted. The international press on Bitcasa seems better and more insightful than what's been written in the US. My theory is that the US press is not as interested in encryption as Europe or Oceania. I can try expanding the article based on what I've been reading if that helps. Synergee (talk) 05:53, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep lack of indep ]
- Keep There seems to be plenty of sources for this topic, some already in the article and many yet to be mined but which are evident with proper searching.-- — Keithbob • Talk • 11:29, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. J04n(talk page) 18:19, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Bradley J. Peat
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NCO's like this don't normally meet WP:SOLDIER. I can't see anything in his career to make him notable IMO - including inducted into the Quartermaster Hall of Fame. Gbawden (talk) 13:06, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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- Comment, perhaps a redirect to a list of CSMs for the WP:VER. Otherwise, I can understand the SOLDIER and ANYBIO arguements for deletion.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 00:02, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete No evidence of notability and a redirect does not make any sense. Why would we want to start a list of such people? -- Whpq (talk) 16:39, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Command sergeant majors of a significant command hold a significant place in the command structure of a military organization.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 21:57, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete not sufficient notability. Buckshot06 (talk) 00:27, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete or ask the author to write some more about this person. There's nothing wrong with the entry. It just lacks notability.Sophiahounslow (talk) 07:48, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete--Ymblanter (talk) 10:22, 10 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Jimmy W. Tiner
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Warrant Officers's like this don't normally meet WP:SOLDIER. I can't see anything in his career to make him notable IMO Gbawden (talk) 12:54, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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- Comment, I have never heard of the Quartermaster Regimental Hall of Fame or the Distinguished Order of Saint Martin. Can someone give us more information about these two things?--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 23:59, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - Honorable Order of Saint Martin, an honor normally given to Quartermaster noncommissioned officers who have successfully served as a platoon sergeant or company first sergeant. according to [27] so not particularly notable. MilborneOne (talk) 19:38, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - No indication of notability. -- Whpq (talk) 16:40, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Secret account 04:34, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Archie L. Turner
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Tagged for notability since June 2010, also an orphan. Lets make a decision either way NCO's like him don't normally meet WP:SOLDIER. I can't see anything in his career to make him notable IMO Gbawden (talk) 12:49, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete, although ]
- Delete - No indication ofnotability. -- Whpq (talk) 16:40, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Not notable. You can help! 17:26, 8 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. J04n(talk page) 01:17, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
List of Centrebus bus routes
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Wikipedia is not a travel guide. It is not clear that this article could ever be particularly useful to people interested in taking a Centre bus. It would also be suitable on their companies article.
- Delete
as have moved routes to Operators article &per nom Davey2010 Talk 11:42, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete Such lists are subject to frequent change and do not make for a stable encyclopedia. Fails WP:NOTDIR and WP:NOTTRAVEL.--Charles (talk) 20:27, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per WP:PRODUCT services provided by a company should be mentioned in the company article there's no need for a complete list of the information when an informal prose mention would do just as well. Stuart.Jamieson (talk) 13:17, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per precedent. (1) These lists require maintenance, because they are liable to be changed, but this cannot be guaranteed. (2) WP is not a directory or travel guide. Peterkingiron (talk) 10:13, 8 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per NOTDIRECTORY. Carrite (talk) 04:19, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. J04n(talk page) 01:18, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
List of National Express West Midlands bus routes
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Wikipedia is not a travel guide. It is not clear that this article could ever be particularly useful to people interested in taking a National Express West Midlands bus. It would also be suitable on their companies article.
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- Delete Such lists are subject to frequent change and do not make for a stable encyclopedia. Fails WP:NOTDIR and WP:NOTTRAVEL.--Charles (talk) 20:29, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Fails WP:NOTTRAVEL. Not suitable for an encyclopaedia, key routes can be mentioned briefly in the operator article. Stuart.Jamieson (talk) 13:40, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per NOTDIRECTORY. Carrite (talk) 04:19, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. J04n(talk page) 18:20, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
List of National Express Dundee bus routes
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Wikipedia is not a travel guide. It is not clear that this article could ever be particularly useful to people interested in taking a National Express Dundee bus. It would also be suitable on their companies article.
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- Delete Fails WP:NOTTRAVEL. Not suitable for an encyclopaedia, key routes can be mentioned briefly in the operator article. Stuart.Jamieson (talk) 13:39, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. J04n(talk page) 18:20, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
List of bus routes in England
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All list of bus routes in the UK have been deleted except London. Cambridge, Suffolk and Norfolk are redirects which soon will also have been deleted as well therefore there is no longer any need for this page.
- Delete per nom, Davey2010 11:50, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
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- Delete also per nom. Imzadi 1979 → 02:11, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Such lists do not make for a stable encyclopedia. Fails WP:NOTDIR and WP:NOTTRAVEL.--Charles (talk) 20:23, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom - redundant list. No objection to future creation of a list of prose Bus Travel in England articles. Stuart.Jamieson (talk) 13:21, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Not relly needed, just a mp t the end of the day. TomatoTalk 17:50, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per NOTDIRECTORY. Carrite (talk) 04:20, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per precedent. (1) These lists require maintenance, because they are liable to be changed, but this cannot be guaranteed. (2) WP is not a directory or travel guide. Peterkingiron (talk) 10:11, 8 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to Super Robot Wars. J04n(talk page) 18:21, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Super robot wars OE
Crystal ballery with no evidence of notability. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 11:07, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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- Redirect for now - until it gets enough coverage in reliable sources, then I can't see how it needs a standalone article. ]
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The result was delete. If someone would like to continue working to establish notability for this page I would be happy to userfy it to them. J04n(talk page) 18:25, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Prabir Purkayastha
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No credible assertion of notability. ⇌ Jake Wartenberg 02:57, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose the nomination. Prabir Purkayastha is a notable writer and genius from India. It can be collect more reliable source for notability. Plz give time. --Adv.tksujith (talk) 03:20, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete being the founder of a science forum is the only thing that might make him notable, but since we do not have an article on it, I can not really tell, and even if it was notable being a "founder" often is an accolade given to lots of people, so in and of itself rarely grants notability unless the thing is very, very, very notable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:24, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. MBisanz talk 21:35, 13 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Abijeet Duddala
Actor only involved in one film, fails
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- Weak KeepThe article as time progresses will get more info and reliable sources..But is the picture in the article free?? Uncletomwood (talk) 13:19, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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See that is my opinion and the guy is an actor and has also acted in a movie which was a box office grosser in India, so I say Weak Keep. Uncletomwood (talk) 15:57, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Please do not !vote multiple times. I have struck part of your post. SpinningSpark 08:09, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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- Keep Since he is the male-lead in Areyrey I think he meets the notability rules, even if that film has not been released, we have an article and thus it is deemed notable. He has reached multiple significant roles in notable films, so we should keep.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:59, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per JPL. Also, I don't know if the other sources are reliable, but two significant instances of coverage by Hyderabad Times strongly suggests notability. 78.26 (I'm no IP, talk to me!) 16:11, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per two users above. Tolly4bolly 09:10, 10 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak delete per WP:GNG. So far, we have two paragraph-long articles from the Times of India, which mention him, not even articles about him. THus in my opinion he fails WP:GNG as well. I did not independently search for sources though.--Ymblanter (talk) 07:57, 13 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. Based on GNG, note that sources provided during discussion were not rebutted j⚛e deckertalk 17:14, 12 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Matt Leto
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Insufficient notability; played Halo professionally 9 years ago and retired Judgesurreal777 (talk) 20:04, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete - Doesn't meet the WP:GNG, there's no specific standards for "Pro e-sports" people have been created yet, and being a "Professional Halo Player" isn't inherently notable. Sergecross73 msg me 14:41, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, I found quite a bit of significant coverage: here, here, here, and here. I'm amazed that someone can make a living playing video games but he certainly did and met ]
- That's the point though, it's all for being a halo pro for like two years then retiring and disappearing. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 00:22, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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- Keep - passes WP:GNG comfortably. The argument about him only receiving coverage for Halo not being enough for notability makes no sense, with this logic, we'd have to delete at least half of the wiki! I see sources strung out over the time he was professional, and they're not all about one tournament, so it's not a BLP1E. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 13:22, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- But that is not the concern; the concern is whether this notable thing he did that has some coverage justify a whole article. It does not. If someone wants to add these details to a professional video game playing article, or notable video game professionals article that would make sense, but it is very unclear this wouldn't just be keeping a permanent stub. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 13:54, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Eh? AfD is not for merger proposals, and in the absence of a really relevant place to merge to, this article is perfectly valid as he meets GNG. Your entire nomination centred around the fact he wasn't notable: he's pretty clearly notable. Besides, there's room for expansion there, given the great length in which the articles about him are written. Also, notability is not temporary, so the fact that he retired in 2006 is irrelevant. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 16:06, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Though the notability is not temporary, it speaks to a small base of sufficent reliable sources to construct a solo article and justify its existence. And I agree, there is nowhere to merge, and that's why it's here and not a merger proposal. You are also right that this is centered on notability, which is not as clear as you're making it out to be. This logic could be used to create articles on thousands of Internet memes, with a thousand different websites parroting the same one or two facts. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 00:27, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Your logic escapes me entirely. This guy has in-depth coverage from even non-video gaming sources, like the New York Times, and Houston Press/Houston Chronicle. Let alone the in-depth coverage in reliable gaming sources, like GameSpot, and IGN (which is now a deadlink, but can be found here: [28]). Even just taking GameSpot and IGN, GameSpot is from 2004, IGN is from 2006. The GameSpot thing is from before World Cyber Games 2004, the IGN thing before the 2006 edition of Championship Gaming Series. This isn't a one event, he passes WP:GNG (reliable sources don't care for them). [29][30][31] is even more coverage. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 08:57, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- The only thing I "don't like" are non notable stubs. Let the votes fall where they may. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 13:38, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Even when two users prove it's a notable stub? *scratches head* Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 16:03, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- I do not agree with your assertion. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 19:35, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Your logic escapes me entirely. This guy has in-depth coverage from even non-video gaming sources, like the New York Times, and Houston Press/Houston Chronicle. Let alone the in-depth coverage in reliable gaming sources, like GameSpot, and IGN (which is now a deadlink, but can be found here: [28]). Even just taking GameSpot and IGN, GameSpot is from 2004, IGN is from 2006. The GameSpot thing is from before World Cyber Games 2004, the IGN thing before the 2006 edition of Championship Gaming Series. This isn't a one event, he passes
- Keep The question for me is not, how long was he playing professionally, or how many people wrote about him, but, was he one of the best in the game. I could be wrong about this, but there can't have been that many Professional Halo players, and therefore, yes, he was one of the best. Looking at his record on his page, first place in several tournaments, it looks like, again, he was one of the best. Any sport/game popular enough to have people paid to play should grant the best of the paid players--or all of them if there are only a few--enough Notability. Listmeister (talk) 14:08, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to List_of_Bones_characters#Camille_Saroyan. MBisanz talk 21:36, 13 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Camille Saroyan
This article is about a character who seems to lack any out-of-show notablity. The acticle basically is a very indepth coverage of the characters actions in the TV show. The article is written both from an in-universe perspective and it entirly lacks any references or citations.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:21, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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- Keep and find a few citations; they are certain to exist. This is a major character in a major TV series, Bones (TV series), for six of the show's seven seasons (and counting). A look at the Bones article shows that virtually all of the other major characters in the show have their own articles. --MelanieN (talk) 00:56, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
DeleteRedirect to List of Bones characters#Camille Saroyan after merging encyclopaedic content back to List of Bones characters - The article has existed for 6 years, if there were citations to be added they'd be in the article by now. Although she's a significant character in the series, this is the only character article lacking citations, although the remainder are predominantly sourced only to episodes. Only Temperance "Bones" Brennan, Seeley Booth (the two main characters) and Zack Addy (who was written out as a main character at the end of season 3) contain any third party sources. --AussieLegend (✉) 07:38, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment There are a ton of sources out there, but most are to blogs, and the Reliable Source ones are behind paywalls, so I am unable to add Reliable Source citations to the article. I do believe that there are such citations, but I would need access to a tool such as Lexis-Nexis to find them. --MelanieN (talk) 15:06, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect to List of Bones characters#Camille Saroyan. If reliable sources sufficient to establisdh standalone notability are found the page can easily be restored. J04n(talk page) 23:08, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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- Redirect to List_of_Bones_characters#Camille_Saroyan - not a central character with a lot of reliable third party coverage. Merge does not make sense as nothing in this article is sourced. Lankiveil (speak to me) 13:22, 2 April 2013 (UTC).[reply]
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The result was delete. J04n(talk page) 18:28, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Embassy of Gabon, Ottawa
fails WP:GNG. recent AfDs have shown embassies are not inherently notable. Those wanting to keep must show evidence of significant coverage LibStar (talk) 14:22, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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- delete Just a house in Ottawa. Mangoe (talk) 13:00, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete It's hard to say that this is more than just a house. Also, since this information is available elsewhere, this Wikipedia page adds very little.Sophiahounslow (talk) 10:28, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Secret account 04:33, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Olympia Flooring and Tile
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Non-notable company without independent sources. Looks like advertising. The Banner talk 10:01, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete It doesn't entirely seem like advertising to me, but I do agree that the company fails ]
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- Delete and maybe merge: I agree with WP:CORPDEPTH. I've only been able to find one reliable source for the company: Reichmann Family in the Jewish Virtual Library. Perhaps the content of this article can become a section in the Reichmann family article. - tucoxn\talk 15:23, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Secret account 04:32, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Jacksonville Observer
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Challenged PROD. Unfortunately, I can't find any reliable third-party sources for this publication to establish its notability. I've found nothing but passing mentions from Jacksonville's other major papers, the
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- Comment. WP:ABOUTSELF but obviously not relevant to notability. I also note a bio on a different blog website identifying Austin Cassidy as the "former publisher" of the Observer[39], which would seem consistent with its now-inactive status. If anyone comes up with better information at the last minute about this venture, I'd still be open to supporting the article's retention, but otherwise I suppose deletion is inevitable. --Arxiloxos (talk) 15:59, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- That's more or less my feeling as well. I'm fairly well attuned to sources for Jacksonville subjects and I haven't been able to turn up any substantive independent reliable sources. I'd be quite happy if someone turns up something I missed, but barring that I don't see another option besides deletion.--Cúchullain t/c 16:23, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Another web-paper that seems to get little attention (and is currently frozen in time), and claimed radio show both does not no longer air on WBOB, nor was it a show controlled by the station itself; it was chatter) 00:32, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete The only source is the website itself and we are not being honest with our readers that the only source has conflict of interest per Wikipedia:Third-party sources#Non-independent sources. It should be deleted per lack of independent reliable secondary sources. Algébrico (talk) 03:33, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. per
]Adrianus Johannes Lemmens
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Highly speculative article about authors father with clear inaccuracies. Sources don't back up what is claimed.
]- Keep:: This article is in my view not - speculative - and I was not the original author - see view history ! The problem is that Mr. The Banner (his pseudonym indicates he is English but he is actually Dutch) does not read the references and/or the Links to the pages but goes immediately on the attack which he has also got a history of on the Dutch wikipedia. This article has a tremendous amount of references and Links mentioned apart from the fact that the person the page is about was decorated with a WW2 war medal - the OHK !
- Also notice that Mr. The Banner has not contributed any information or correction to this article - only the request to delete it without any proper reasons? The least he could do is let us know what he thinks are the speculative parts??Glemmens1940 (talk) 10:31, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep:::A lot of people contributed to this article after the initial "multiple issues" notification was put on the article. A lot of references have been added and pictures that support the claims made in the article. I don't see why this article is nominated for deletion. Menke66 (talk) 10:47, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- I think it's because the nominator doesn't believe the subject passes the ]
- As long as there is plain nonsense in the article, like the bravery medals, the article is too unreliable to stay. And even his usual sidekick Menke should by now know that the War Commemorative Cross was not given for bravery, but for being at a place when things got hot. The Banner talk 12:07, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- If there are errors in an article, we address that by correcting the article and not be deleting it - and if there are disagreements about the content, we seek consensus on the article talk page, and then use the WP:DR process if that cannot be achieved. It may be that this article should be deleted for notability reasons (I make no judgment on that at this point) but it will not be deleted just for containing factual inaccuracies. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 12:35, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- It is factual inaccuracies in combination with WP:COI. The Banner talk 14:32, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Boing! - If the factual inaccuracies lie in the claims of notability, that will quickly lead to deletion.--v/r - TP 14:42, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Indeed - hence my use of the word "just", meaning that factual inaccuracy alone is not enough. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 14:50, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- It is factual inaccuracies in combination with
- If there are errors in an article, we address that by correcting the article and not be deleting it - and if there are disagreements about the content, we seek consensus on the article talk page, and then use the
- Keep This could be a good article. The Career section needs to pov-edited, and the matter of the medals clarified, but it looks sound.--Auric talk 11:00, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete It could be a good article, but not in an encyclopaedia! The subject has no claim to notability that I can see from the article - along with countless thousands of others during the Second World War he was in a merchant ship, he was a prisoner, etc etc. Nothing at all remarkable is suggested to make him worth an article but thousands of others not. There are attempts to give notability by association ("the family was taken by the British HMS Loch Killisport (K628) on which Prince Philip served") or to suggest involvement in significant events ("On 7th December 1942 , the same day as the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor, the Netherlands declared war to Japan..."). As I said, it could be a good article and an interesting read, but then so could my grandfather's experience as an airman in the RAF! Along with everyone else's. But notability is not here. There is also the considerable problem of COI editing.Emeraude (talk) 11:12, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- FWIW, the same article was deleted from the Dutch language Wikipedia on 26 March (see this). Emeraude (talk) 11:30, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - per Emeraude basically. I have probably half-a-dozen direct and distant relatives who would be no more or less notable than the subject. As for specific guidelines, I certainly don't think he would pass WP:GNG. The newspaper clipping that mentions his exam is exactly that - a passing mention with a list of others; hardly significant coverage. An important piece of family history, no doubt, but not the stuff of an encyclopaedia. Stalwart111 11:48, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- One of the issues at stake at the dutch written wikipedia was that Glemmens1940 claimed his father to have received the Cross of Merit. That claim couldn't be verified though. Suddenly it appears here he received the War Commemorative Cross (nl:Oorlogsherinneringskruis) instead, but this was NOT a medal for (individual) bravery - which of course doesn't mean Lemmens wasn't brave or anything the like. Yet, receiving this medal can't be deemed the singular event which makes Lemmens notable. Notum-sit (talk) 11:57, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- PS1 the Talk page of the deleted dutch article is still intact: nl:Overleg:Adrianus_Johannes_Lemmens. Several issues were addressed there to get clarified which Glemmens1940 never cared to answer. Notum-sit (talk) 12:01, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- PS2 the clasp JAVA-ZEE 1941-1942 doesn't refer uniquely to the Battle of the Java Sea (which took place on February 27 1942 and following days) but to a wider range of events and time. Sofar no evidence has been presented that Lemmens was present at the battle itself. Notum-sit (talk) 12:20, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. per Stalwart and lack of significant coverage by reliable third party sources. Niteshift36 (talk) 12:47, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete The chief claim of notability is the War Commemorative Cross. My research into the War Commemorative Cross results in much the same conclusion as Notum-sit. The medal is awarded to anyone who sees combat and there are different variations depending on what their duties were. But I saw nothing that said "bravery" outside the normal bravery of any soldier. This cross seems to equate to the WP:MILNG. Between the deletion discussion on the Dutch Wikipedia and here, I see some battle ground behaviors (accusations of cliques). It seems to me that Glemmens1940 is seeking a memorial for his father and fabricating medals (Cross of Merit on Dutch Wikipedia).--v/r - TP 14:11, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete The relevant policy is NOT MEMORIAL. DGG ( talk ) 18:29, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. I've trimmed some of the irrelevant and disallowed links and references, but DGG sums it up correctly. Drmies (talk) 18:37, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Subject is clearly not notable; editor has a clear conflict of interest; article is written in a very subjective way; Wikipedia is not the place for him to honor his father. W\|/haledad (Talk to me) 21:02, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - Familypedia might be a good place.--Auric talk 22:42, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Stories of war veterans like this should certainly be preserved somewhere, but Wikipedia is not the right place unless there is sufficient notability shown - and this one really does not appear to have that notability. I would urge the author to preserve it elsewhere - perhaps, as had been suggested, on a genealogy website? -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 00:17, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. per NOT MEMORIAL. Familypedia is a good alternative and thanks to Auric for pointing it out. MarnetteD | Talk 15:01, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete. Held neither a rank nor a decoration usually considered to give "automatic" right of inclusion and doesn't seem to be notable for anything specific. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:35, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, although his wartime experience is interesting, I have only found a handful of passing mentions in non-primary WP:SOLDIER, as the verified award/decoration is not a high level award/medal/decoration for individual act(s) of valor.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 23:49, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy Delete No claim of notability. --Steven J. Anderson (talk) 04:56, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - If the information now in the article were set out in reliable sources, then I could see how the topic could meet WP:GNG. However, the information sourced in the article is historic information not directly connected to Lemmens life. For example, "The Dutch East Indies inhabitants promptly nicknamed the Japanese the yellow faces." is generic history information as it was not Lemmens who promptly nicknamed the Japanese the yellow faces. The amount of source information available specific to Lemmens life seems to be the same as would be available for anyone having war service and receiving a medallion for general war operations with a r specific war action. The article contains original research by reading too much in his Internment card. The article also relies on a "Newspaper of 1932". Here, Menke66 wrote File:Newspaper where Lemmens is mentioned when he received his exam.jpg is "a copy of a digital newspaper of 1929, so free of copyright" and "Date 1929", but the article says "1932" and here, Menke66 posted "Newspaper of 1932". Overall, there is not enough coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject for a stand alone article. -- Jreferee (talk) 12:01, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: By now I have received several (5) threatening e-mails with legal/police action to start when the article is deleted. It was demanded that the article would be restored to the version of his sidekick Menke on 2 April 2013. I am not impressed by this, so the closing administrator should do what is best for Wikipedia. The Banner talk 12:31, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- I have revoked his ability to use the Wikipedia email system -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 12:51, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- I've sent you an email too -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 13:50, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Snowball delete. Everything the nominator said is true. Non-notable individual and strong BB 12:57, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - Does not seem to meet ]
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The result was speedy delete as spam. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 13:58, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
AURA Travel
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Advertising-like article about a new (or newly relaunched) commercial website, by an apparent COI editor. No independent referenes, no evidence for notability per
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The result was delete. Secret account 04:31, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Susannah Mushatt Jones
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I can't see how she meets any of the
]- Keep Literally since you started this AfD she has moved up from 5th to 4th oldest person in the world, and to 3rd oldest woman. That should tell you all you need to know. I'm against having an article just because you're a supercentenarian, especially if there's no other information. Getting to 110 is not so uncommon any more. But for the top 10 it's important to have articles when possible, because in months or even weeks, these people can be the oldest woman or person, very notable, and Wikipedia users will expect a decent article about them. Pistachio disguisey (talk) 17:20, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Thanks for your response. However, I would say that comes under WP:TOOSOON; at the moment, she doesn't meet any of the notability criteria, but she might in the future (if she doesn't die first). Userfy and keep for if/when she's the oldest person/notable. Boleyn (talk) 17:24, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete As per WP:1E, only notability is being a supercentenarian. Not the oldest in a country or 1 of the 100 oldest ever. Until either of those happens just 1 of many and therefore mot particularly notable. DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 21:49, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Derby made a good point. She is the oldest in her state (list of oldest living Americans by state.
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- Delete. She's the oldest now, maybe. But what else is notable about her? Star767 23:23, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Past precedent is that simply being old (even the "oldest" of something) does not satisfy the general notability guidelines, thus the extent of coverage is the issue. Based on the references in the article, and what others have said above, I do not believe that this individual meets ]
- Delete. She is simply not notable enough yet to merit keeping, should she become the oldest living woman or oldest living person then her notability would be acceptable! MattSucci (talk) 17:43, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Speedily deleted as
The Subdued Sound (Book)
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Fails the notability guidelines. Wikipedia:Notability_(books) ♦ Tentinator ♦ 08:33, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. A search brings up nothing that would show that this book passes (。◕‿◕。) 08:50, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete The publisher offers to get your book out in 25 days - and to get it reviewed 'honestly' by reviewers in their own magazines. Apart from this, which looks as near to self publishing as one can get without crossing that line, the book is scheduled to be published on April 2nd 2013, and so hasn't had time to become notable. I would agree with TG that this article has promotional intent - why else when it's not even out? The user name of srq365 is suspiciously close to the author's name, too. Peridon (talk) 10:40, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Largely WP:POVFORK. j⚛e deckertalk 17:09, 12 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Philosophy of Chiropractic
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- Delete and redirect. Only a small part is truly about the philosophy of chiropractic, and that part belongs in the chiropractic article. This is just one of many large additions of suspect articles and portions of articles from this editor. We've already had many copyvio problems with all images uploaded by him, and large sections of articles have been copied without attribution from elsewhere. There isn't much collaborative editing, small improvements, and tweaking of content to improve it, but rather a bull in a china shop attitude, with large deletions and large additions. This has to stop. After a block for sockpuppetry, he returned with a vengeance with 3RR violations immediately. -- talk) 06:55, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- I am not sure that behavior concerns constitute a valid deletion rationale. Could you perhaps specify what is wrong with the article other than the concerns with the way it was written?·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 12:42, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- The argument presented by Brangifer is always discussing me personally and never about the content (sourcing or language). Regarding notability, it was already asked and discussed here [40]. Note that Gregbard opposed the title of the article not the content. Tippy and Bobrayner seem to have behavioural issues with bullying (constant reversions and deletions without any discussion of specific content (language or sources). If possible, I'd like to stick to the content, not the contributor (as Brangifer et.al) always seem to do. talk) 01:15, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- The argument presented by Brangifer is always discussing me personally and never about the content (sourcing or language). Regarding notability, it was already asked and discussed here [40]. Note that Gregbard opposed the title of the article not the content. Tippy and Bobrayner seem to have behavioural issues with bullying (constant reversions and deletions without any discussion of specific content (language or sources). If possible, I'd like to stick to the content, not the contributor (as Brangifer et.al) always seem to do.
- I am not sure that behavior concerns constitute a valid deletion rationale. Could you perhaps specify what is wrong with the article other than the concerns with the way it was written?·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 12:42, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete it. It's just a POV-fork of chiropractic created by copying text from Chiropractic that the creator liked, and failing to copy the bits that were less than positive about chiropractic. Most of the article isn't about philosophy at all. Attempts to make incremental changes were blocked by the article owner. bobrayner (talk) 11:53, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- I think that if there are enough sources about the history of chiropractic thinking then it is entirely reasonable to have spin out an article about that separate from the main article on chiropractics. Such an article is not inherently a POV-fork or otherwise problematic. I don't know if there are enough sources about chiropractic theory, but I am unconvinced by the above arguments. If someone can either show me that there are or aren't sources about the topic then that would constitute a reasonable rationale for deletion or keeping in my opinion. The current arguments seem to be a mixture of not liking the content and not liking the guy who wrote it.·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 12:42, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as a POV fork, but note that referring to chiropractic sources as "in universe" is itself representative of a fringe position as well as being biased, uncivil and simply wrong. Chiropractic sources are perfectly acceptable accounts when used to verify what chiropractors believe and do. - Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 14:59, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete It's not philosophy. Philosophy involves the limitation of logic, and accounts for critical views. There are critical views to be had on this subject. I agree that this is a "pov fork." Greg Bard (talk) 01:08, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Thats an argument to rename not to delete.·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 01:37, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Well we tried that, and no one could agree, and certain people demand to have it as "Philosophy of Chiropractic" with a capital "C." So enough already.Greg Bard (talk) 02:31, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Remind me which policy says that when we can't agree on a title we default to "delete"?·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 02:55, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- In addition to the disagreement on an appropriate title (which I was very open-minded to consider at all, BTW), I just don't think the topic itself is worthy or appropriate for Wikipedia, anymore than "Philosophy of astrology" quite frankly.Greg Bard (talk) 04:15, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Red herring argument, Anything of substance regarding this article? talk) 05:44, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Red herring argument, Anything of substance regarding this article?
- In addition to the disagreement on an appropriate title (which I was very open-minded to consider at all, BTW), I just don't think the topic itself is worthy or appropriate for Wikipedia, anymore than "Philosophy of astrology" quite frankly.Greg Bard (talk) 04:15, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Gregbard, I've mentioned it why the capitalization was made 'Chiropractic' instead of 'chiropractic' being a proper name and a professional title. However, if Greg's wants a little 'c' to alleviate his concerns, I wouldn't object to that. Also, the POV fork argument could easily be applied to talk) 03:43, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Remind me which policy says that when we can't agree on a title we default to "delete"?·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 02:55, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Well we tried that, and no one could agree, and certain people demand to have it as "Philosophy of Chiropractic" with a capital "C." So enough already.Greg Bard (talk) 02:31, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Thats an argument to rename not to delete.·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 01:37, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete Not an encyclopedic or notable subject. Chiropractic is a field of practice; it has methods; it has a history; but it does not have a "philosophy", and this article does not provide a "philosophy". (Note the absence of articles called Philosophy of medicine, Philosophy of dentistry, Philosophy of nursing, etc.) BTW the notion that "chiropractic" should be spelled with a capital "C" is simply foolish. --MelanieN (talk) 15:46, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you for that, I would expect this to be a compelling argument for supporters of chiropractic as well. ]
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The result was keep. - there is a consensus to keep, even after discounting the sockpuppetry. JohnCD (talk) 20:26, 13 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Roberta Brown
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Non-notable stunt double, previously deleted at prod. No
]- Have re-entered some career details with sources. She is notable as a woman swordmaster in a male dominated profession. There are a number of swordmasters and stuntmen mentioned on wikipedia who have articles.REVUpminster (talk) 10:01, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Being a female in a male-dominated field does not make for notability. And the other articles you mention are irrelevant as ]
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- Delete the best I could find was mention in an LA Times article about sword choreography, along with other people involved in that. She does not meet the notability requirements for an actor.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:44, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: Focus of article in LA Times Mentioned and quoted in a more-than-trivial fashion in Backstage Telegraph But even with coverage as a female swordmaster whose opinion is sought out by the press, this is perhaps not enough to satisfy ]
- Keep At least she appeared on the ITV series The Story of Costume Drama [41] and also on youtube there is an interview with her split in two about her involvement with Charlie's Angels from day one. It is more than the other hundred or so articles about stunt actors on wikipedia.REVUpminster (talk) 08:30, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- YouTube isn't ]
- Is the ITV programme and it's commentary and interview with Brown a reliable source. I am an inclususionist and think all knowledge is useful to someone and even this article that I did not create should be saved.REVUpminster (talk) 12:50, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- This is a stunt person on a TV show, abysmally failing WP:ENTERTAINER. Wikipedia should ignore the Hollywood practice of recognizing the 1,000 people who appear in ten minutes worth of credits these days. What's next, an article about the caterer for Queen of Swords? This isn't "knowledge." It doesn't even rise to the level of Hollywood trivia. Qworty (talk) 15:24, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- This is a stunt person on a TV show, abysmally failing
- Is the ITV programme and it's commentary and interview with Brown a reliable source. I am an inclususionist and think all knowledge is useful to someone and even this article that I did not create should be saved.REVUpminster (talk) 12:50, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- YouTube isn't ]
- Is the TV programme a reliable source? Also should the creator of the article User talk:Taram of the proposed deletion. He is still active. REVUpminster (talk) 17:47, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - The LA Times article can be viewed be viewed here. -- Whpq (talk) 16:55, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Reply and Keep Thank you for contacting me about this discussion Whpq and thank you for suggesting I be contacted REVUpminster. Unfortunately, I am in a battle with a publishing company in New York today and so I do not have alot of time to spend on this matter(today); however, I will give my input. As I review the history of the page, it had a complete page as of April 1, 2013. Then on April 2nd (Brown's birthday interestingly enough), the vast majority of information on the page was deleted. That which was left was re-written to say that after being a swordmaster, Brown is a Mahjong player. No offense to the avid Mahjong players out there, but of course that is going to make a person sound insignificant. I noticed that this page has been located successfully in Wikipedia since December of 2009 with no comments on eliminating it until April 2, 2013. It does not seem to me that a person goes from being a part of history to insignificant. There was something behind the attempt to eliminate this page on April 2 and it would be worthwhile knowing what that was. I briefly reviewed the notability requirements for Wikipedia and here is my response matched with that information: Before the vast majority of the Brown page was removed on April 2nd, there were a number of cited sources to be used for information. The information on the page that was removed was completely reliable and verifiable. A problem Wikipedia has in some cases is that some editors only count a verifiable source as an article on the internet. If you consider how one cites research papers, one notes that articles, video, audio, and interviews are also reputable sources. One can create a page on the internet and start referring to it as a source. That is not as reliable as an in person interview. Brown is not a one horse wonder, nor should other biographies be judged by that standard. For Americans, John Wilkes Booth was a tolerable touring actor barely worth mentioning in the annals of history, then he supposedly killed the sitting president of the United States. That is one thing. He never did anything else that was significant. Does that make him a one horse wonder not worth mentioning. Many historians would beg to disagree with that. Qworty's comment "Being a female in a male-dominated field does not make for notability" is also worth a reply: Nor is being black or a Jew or anything else; however when one persists and opens doors for others, one is significant. Martin Luther King was not the first person to march against segregation; however, he was the first to be recognized and recognition made the effort significant. Qworty's comment is also concerning because on April 4, 2013 s/he was reported at the Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents page for Persistent disruption in articles on gender studies academics. I am hoping that there is not a pattern of harassment going on. Regarding John Pack Lambert's comment that she does not meet the notability requirements for an actor, I totally agree. Roberta is a terrible actor. She is a swordmaster and the first female to make inroads into television at that. She had to fight, struggle and work for that a male dominated profession to give her that chance and in doing so, she opened doors for other women, especially Jewish women, to live their dreams of being a swordmaster, if that is what they want. Now I know you all will do whatever you want, so nothing I have to say matters, but as REVUpminster commented, every participant in history that helps move this world just a little bit forward matters and is worth noting especially for those who are yet to come. Now if you will excuse me, I need to go back to my other publishing battles. 19:21, 5 April 2013 (UTC) Taram (talk) 19:21, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I find it very interesting that Qworty started deleting large chunks from Roberta Brown's page at 05:47 on 2 April 2013 when 2,998 bytes of information was removed. S/he did so again at 06:11 on that same date when 5,122 bytes of information was removed. Then at 06:12, s/he added a tag saying that perhaps Brown is not notable enough. It was not until 06:16 that day (2 April 2013) that Qworty created a tag and page recommending Roberta Brown for deletion. This pattern suggests an attempt to plant evidence to support his/her attempt. Wikipedian John Pack Lambert mentioned above, "the best I could find was mention in an LA Times article about sword choreography, along with other people involved in that." He then goes on to say that Brown does not meet notability requirements as an ACTOR which Taram admirably addressed above. That said, here are a just a few articles from notable and reputable news sources about Roberta Brown (articles are listed by publication name):- The Fightmaster - Summer 2003 http://www.robertabrown.com/pdfs/Fightmaster_summer2003.pdf,
- The L.A. Times 10/11/96 http://www.robertabrown.com/pdfs/LATimes_061011.pdf,
- BackstageWest "Arms & the Woman" 9/9/04 http://www.robertabrown.com/pdfs/BSW_040909.pdf,
- BackstageWest "Punch Lines" 8/14/06 http://www.backstage.com/news/punch-lines/,
- The Brandeis Review - August 2006 http://www.robertabrown.com/pdfs/Brandeis_060801.pdf,
- (Deutsche)Job Report - October 2005 http://www.robertabrown.com/pdfs/JobReport_051001.pdf,
- The L.A. Times 3/10/2000 http://www.robertabrown.com/pdfs/LATimes_2000_0310.pdf,
- The Telegraph 16 September 2002 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/dietandfitness/4711712/Fence-your-way-to-fitness.html.
Qworty cannot declare articles noted by REVUpminster to be "irrelevant." That is merely his/her opinion. Nothing more and nothing less. There is a great body of work to show that she is one whose opinion IS sought out by others. Thank you for noting that MichaelQSchmidt. I had not seen the ITV presentation on The Story of the Costume Drama. I had heard of it and I remember the day they rode up and down the streets of LA practicing sword fights form a mock chariot. I remember seeing the raw footage and the upset when the cop showed up to ask what they were doing. Roberta is relevant and notable. She has been busy the past few years raising a child as a single mom, but that does not allow one to disregard her earlier body of work. Those who would persistently disrupt articles on gender studies have a much too slanted view to give a forthright appropriate opinion in this matter and it is my opinion that those thoughts need to be discounted. Wordsword1Wordsword1 (talk) 04:23, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Insufficient sourcing for notability. Wow, some of you people really don't understand how sourcing works. Only ONE of the sources given above is ABOUT her--the LA Times. The others are about other topics and/or mention her only briefly. A single story in the LA Times is never going to be enough to source a Wikipedia article. She fails WP:42: "Articles require SIGNIFICANT COVERAGE in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." Qworty (talk) 18:09, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- WP:42 Irrelevent. It is not policy or a guideline. REVUpminster (talk) 18:58, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep More sources. Clearly notable. Lots of these articles are about her. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 21:15, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Such as? Qworty (talk) 23:35, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Such as Los Angeles Times Backstage West and Brandeis Review for instance. And there were others offered above that make a strong case toward her being "notable enough for Wikipedia". Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 02:27, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Such as? Qworty (talk) 23:35, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per sources offered, some in depth, that address the subject directly and in detail... giving us a meeting of the primary notability guideline and allowing the maintenance of an encyclopdiec article. Once the GNG is met, we need not then decide if she fails an SNG. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 02:27, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- You apparently have overlooked:
- Marlowe, J.T. (Summer 2003). "To the Point" (PDF). The Fight Master: 33–34. Retrieved April 6, 2013.
- Simmons, Carrie (August 2006). "Fencer Makes Good Neighbor" (PDF). The Brandeis Review. Retrieved April 6, 2013. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 02:30, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- To me the TV interview in a programme made by a respected third party, ITV, with commentary and interview subtitled as fight director is the biggest notability factor and you only need one. The fact it is on youtube which is only a transmission system for content is irrelevent. I am not new but how do you cite a TV programme. There are templates for web, news, book, and journal but not TV or Radio.REVUpminster (talk) 06:19, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- "Roberta Brown biography". TV.com. February 3, 2004. Retrieved April 7, 2013. 7&6=thirteen (☎)
- "Roberta Brown credits". TV.comm. April 7, 2013. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 11:10, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak keep Does demonstrate some reliable sources.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 12:18, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
KEEP Just discovered that in 2000 Brown wrote the afterward to Nick and Anita Evangelista's book The Woman Fencer.(Evangelista, Nick. "The Woman Fencer". Print text. Amazon.com/Wish Press. Retrieved 7 April 2013.) The book on history, women's issues in fencing, and techniques in fencing has become a classic in fencing salons in the US. That is because, as in many other sports, women are often marginalized in the fencing world; thousgh, we do know that on the popular front that changed, somewhat, when Mariel Zagunis won fencing gold at the Olympics about a decade ago. Wordsword1Wordsword1 (talk) 19:09, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Published works
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- Keep - seems to clearly meet notability per sourcing, Sadads (talk) 00:35, 8 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- "Women of Action Network-Contributors". Website. Rearden LLC. Retrieved 7 April 2013. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 01:57, 8 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - To echo: Sadads ... "seems to clearly meet notability per sourcing" ... talk) 19:04, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Meets GNG.--Epeefleche (talk) 20:46, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- SOCK PUPPETRY There has been activity on this page from three blocked socks. The investigation originally concerned the Andrew Helm page, but the same three accounts, Wordsword1 and SNCKnight being puppets of Taram, have argued for keeping this article too, see the strikethrough-entries above. Hst20 (talk) 11:03, 13 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 21:36, 13 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Toxic Ravine
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Prod declined by author because "you can still download it" which is not an assertation of notability. No sourcing found whatsoever. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 04:28, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. The game exists/existed, but existing is not notability. If there were an entry for the game's creator I'd suggest redirecting there, but since it only exists as a redirect to another game, this is a delete on my end. I found only one mention that could be used as a RS as well as a mention of it being used in a study, but not enough of anything to show it'd pass notability guidelines. Userfication is always a possibility, though. (。◕‿◕。) 06:59, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete one of a zillion random shareware games. No notability to speak of. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 13:42, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - per nom. öBrambleberry of RiverClan 15:23, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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- One reference to a MacUser issue magazine has been added. Can we gain the notability for this article now ?Zurd (talk) 07:05, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Eh, just one source. Close but no cigar. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 20:05, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Fails ]
- Weak delete. While there seems to have been attempts to support the subject's notability via some sources, it just doesn't seem to be enough. MezzoMezzo (talk) 07:18, 13 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. There is a clear consensus to delete, once the socks are scrapped. It should be noted also that the "keep" votes don't actually present evidence for passing various notability criteria and guidelines. Drmies (talk) 03:54, 11 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
George Komsky
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- Delete Obvious socks and clear conflict of interest violation. Main contributor's user name points to the owner of George Komsky's PR firm and author of several sources within the article. That wouldn't be a reason for deletion, except that her client doesn't fulfill any of the notability requirements as noted by nominator.Coffeepusher (talk) 05:11, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment In fairness to the main contributor, there has been no attempt to hide the fact that he/she represents Komsky, nor has the use of alternative names been used deviously, as far as I can see. Commercial involvement doesn't automatically preclude article creation, which is why I responded to a request to improve the article having previously speedied it. I'm happy for the article to be judged on its merits, but I don't think that accusations of underhand behaviour are justified Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:19, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. I think nominator is clearly wrong and his arguments are misleading. Yes the initial editor seems to be someone connected with the article, but there are numerous editors on the page so clearly people who know this guy have added to it. The nominator is clearly ignoring the fact that his person has cited pretty much all his claims. Awards? He works with a Grammy award winner and looks like sang on US national TV for 23 million people less then four months ago. Qworty is wrong about WP:CREATIVE, he clearly qualifies under both categories. Coffeepusher, i don't know what sock is but it looks like several people have edited this article and I disagree with you. MikeSoyf (talk) 06:28, 2 April 2013 (UTC) — MikeSoyf (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
- Notability is WP:NOTINHERITED from working with people who actually won awards. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 07:39, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Notability is
- delete - fails WP:42 while there are many links, there are none to significant converge by reliable third party sources. The significant coverage is from his PR firm, the "reliable" stuff is trivial mentions in by primary sources that he appeared in their charity functions.-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 09:20, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- the above comment is so misleading. The most notable sources are from the Contra Costa Times, Jweekly, and Diablo magazine. The charity articles were only there to verify that subject had indeed been there done that. This editor is so inherently biased he can't even take the time to read the articles himself. Sad. Ngoesseringer (talk) 09:24, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- The Contra Costa Times and the trivial in passing mention) -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 12:24, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- The Contra Costa Times and the
- the above comment is so misleading. The most notable sources are from the Contra Costa Times, Jweekly, and Diablo magazine. The charity articles were only there to verify that subject had indeed been there done that. This editor is so inherently biased he can't even take the time to read the articles himself. Sad. Ngoesseringer (talk) 09:24, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep I disagree with all of you, but then I would wouldn't I? Some of your points are well made and are reflected in the changes that the article has underwent, however to insinuate that something underhanded has been done from a PR firm is untrue and ridiculous. There is no WP:CREATIVE after reading what these stand for. The references that are there now are reliable, and third party based. Ngoesseringer (talk) 10:27, 2 April 2013 (UTC)— Ngoesseringer (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
- You "have not had much to do with it after the initial writing"?? I've just reported you at AN3 for edit-warring today on it! Nomoskedasticity (talk) 10:31, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- a huge swath of the sources are not third party. they are sites aligned with the charities that he has performed benefits for; and they have an inherent conflict of interest in having a SOMEONE rather than a NOBODY perform for their cause.-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 10:33, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- TRPoD you are so ignorant, it's almost laughable. You're above comment is down right maliciously uninformed and childish. You obviously have never worked with a charity or aided one. They don't have any conflict of interest in this regard, they simply reported who was apart of the evening and who helped make it a success. In the future, stick to your knowledge of wikipedia jargon, it's you primary forte Ngoesseringer (talk) 09:29, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- LOL. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 12:10, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- actually the notability requirements are WP:BAND since he is involved in music. Does he fulfill any of those notability requirements? On my read he doesn't.Coffeepusher (talk) 14:46, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Ngoesseringer, I would like to ask why you said "George is my client, and my company Kultura PR is a reputable company" but just now claimed "to insinuate that something underhanded has been done from a PR firm is untrue and ridiculous. There is no COI in this article." Please advise.Coffeepusher (talk) 14:58, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Because he is working on his album, you are correct to question the notability for a musician. However he meets criteria number 1 and 12: his references to articles are legitimate and he had been written about and covered in reputable papers. On point 12, he was the subject of. CBS news special in the Bay Area that aired to 4 million people in 2011. I would say that qualifies as major. But one of the editors removed the only link that I could find to verify that special. Therefore you haven't seen it. Ngoesseringer (talk) 18:05, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- claims that criteria have been met without providing verify the claims is not going to convince anyone to change their mind. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 05:48, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- claims that criteria have been met without providing
- the redoenofdoom above had made some very ugly and inappropriate comments in his edits. He is also clearly biased against this article based on his aggressiveness and nastiness. I believe something else is going on here and will be reporting his behavior shortly. I don't know why he has to call 'George' a nobody... That is the definition of subjective nastiness and seems highly suspicious. The reason there is no COI COffeepusher, is that there are several other editors of this article besides me. Unfortunately, whoever those people are they made mistakes when they edited the article, as seemingly all their contributions were excised by you. Ngoesseringer (talk) 18:10, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Because he is working on his album, you are correct to question the notability for a musician. However he meets criteria number 1 and 12: his references to articles are legitimate and he had been written about and covered in reputable papers. On point 12, he was the subject of. CBS news special in the Bay Area that aired to 4 million people in 2011. I would say that qualifies as major. But one of the editors removed the only link that I could find to verify that special. Therefore you haven't seen it. Ngoesseringer (talk) 18:05, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Incidentally coffee pusher has just officially accused me on my talk page of coordinating a campaign, which I am not doing. The admin above helped guide my writing of this article and has stated here that such accusations are underhanded and not true. Ngoesseringer (talk) 18:15, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- notification and discussion can be seen User talk:Ngoesseringer#Sock warning for those who are interested. Contrary to the claim above, as of now no admin has scrutinized its validity.Coffeepusher (talk) 20:14, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I am new editor and i can see my errors. I agree with the above editors, the subject is not a star. He does not meet all the prerequisite points of musician section guidelines, but aren't his sources accurate and notable? I will hold off on voting but I'm hoping some one can clarify? Are we judging if he's a big enough deal basically?I also think it's way too heated a discussion, things need to be toned down. He tone between the primary editor and the one of the editors is far too negative. Toshkanetsuper3 (talk) 03:03, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete — Per nom, per Qworty. Crap sources. If it's ]
- KeepI checked out the sources, they are not crap. Evidently plenty of that was removed based on looking at the edit history. Argument about notability is fair, but he meets some of the points. Above guy: WP:TOOSOON states: topic being considered be itself verifiable in independent secondary reliable sources. If sources do not exist, it is generally too soon for an article on that topic to be considered. The sources that exist on the page today prove all that article claims. I researched online, the article is not deceitful about the person being described. Mikeclark22 (talk) 08:20, 3 April 2013 (UTC) — Mikeclark22 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
- Weak Keep - I think he probably just scrapes by WP:BAND. There are problems with coi editors and personal attacks at the moment, but I think they can be overcome with a little community attention. His Facebook page has encouraged people to comment and edit which hasn't helped.Theroadislong (talk) 10:20, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:15, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete A quick way to determine an artist's notability is to search for something like "[Name] interview|review". There is nothing there but two pages of ]
I noticed that redpenofdoom removed a citation about the amount of people that watched his anthem for the patriots, saying they weren't watching him. But it wasn't the claim of the article. Then a later editor faulted the subjects notability because according to him no one watched the game on live TV. However, if he had seen the page before redpenofdoom subjectively removed the proof that it was seen by an enormous audience, he wouldn't have made his comment and may not have used that criteria to sway his vote. Selmaflora294 (talk) 22:56, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment It doesn't matter. December 16, 2012 was week 15 of the regular season, and even on a game on Sunday night, the anthem is not played on live TV (at least I've never seen that happen), so it's disingenuous to claim that 23 million people watched him sing. This was a home game for the Patriots, which means that there couldn't possibly have been more than 70,000 people in attendance, minus the folks that were buying hot dogs and beer right then. Other than the Super Bowl, the singing of the anthem is rarely broadcast, other than at the conference playoffs, and very rarely the divisional ones, as well as some of the 'special' games. Truth is, you and your associates picked the worst possible assertion to notability. If 23 million people had heard this man sing we wouldn't even be having this conversation, because his notability would have skyrocketed shortly after that, and it would be trivial to successfully prove it. §FreeRangeFrogcroak 23:16, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Haha! This guy above me is trying to pull a fast one. George sang that anthem live in the stadium, and live on my TV screen at home. Please do not listen to this hogwash, the man did an incredible job and I'm proud he is from the Bay Area. Don't make hot air commentary. Buzzweldy (talk) 00:50, 8 April 2013 (UTC)— Buzzweldy (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
- The freerangefrog is COMPLETELY MISTAKEN... While there is no article in a paper about a national anthem performance, here is visual proof:
- https://vimeo.com/56063290
- And here it is again from someone else who saw it LIVE and posted: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lOUubkE8Sk
- Read the comments section from this person... they are unaffiliated with the subject! Ngoesseringer (talk) 05:10, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Ok, so if there isn't any verifiability. If an event can't maintain that minimum threshold for inclusion, that information can't be part of an article.Coffeepusher (talk) 05:35, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Ok, so if there isn't any
- Read the comments section from this person... they are unaffiliated with the subject! Ngoesseringer (talk) 05:10, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Sorry, but that is not the NBC broadcast. It might be NFL GamePass on DirecTV or something else, but it's not what was broadcast by the network as part of the normal Sunday Night Football program. Two reasons: First, they never include the anthem in broadcasts unless it's a very special occasion. Like I said. Why would they do that for this game? You don't have to take my word for it, just ask any NFL fan. And if it had been some kind of tribute to Sandy Hook there would be a TON of press about it. Funny there isn't. Second, I do not hear the usual suspects narrating before or after the anthem. Listen, if 23 freakin' million people had watched your boy sing, we would not be having this conversation, period. Stop clawing at this, it's not gonna happen. §FreeRangeFrogcroak 08:36, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- The other thing this could be is the local broadcast, assuming the game wasn't blacked out. Local affiliates sometimes show a lot more of the game than the network. But I've never seen the anthem played on a SNF broadcast, and I don't see how this game would have been different. §FreeRangeFrogcroak 18:12, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- I am not a regular editor, nor do I care to be. But out of a need to be truthful and need to write he following:
- I watched the game last year in Walnut Creek, CA. I read about this when George posted it on Facebook and was interested.
All of the people claiming he didn't sing live to millions of people are wrong. The above editor is not only uninformed, he is also engaged in outright lies. DirectTV, which I have, broadcasts games during the day. They NEVER broadcast evening games because they are nationally televised. Secondly, the extenuating circumstances that allowed the anthem to be broadcast were the murders in Newton, CT. That was the reason for his performance being televised. He had nothin to do with it being televised, but it 100% was seen across the country because I saw in a bar watching the game with friends. So please, stop th BS and the bias. And don't even think of calling me biased because the truth it was broadcast everywhere that night. Judge George by rules applicable, but do not lie about one if the things that actually make George notable. It's just not fair. Davidblumin (talk) 07:27, 7 April 2013 (UTC)— Davidblumin (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
- The truth is that pre-game was televised, practically everyone I know in the Bay area saw the salute to the fallen, and GK singing the anthem right after it. This system of wikipedia's is bizarre, you can't just burn a subject's claims on thin air arguments, and then diminish him at the same time. This is not fair that people who clearly have no idea what they are talking about on a major accomplishment (singing a the game in the first place is a tremendously complicated and difficult thing to do, live to 65,000+ people) but it was also on TV with millions watching which clearly impacted his national visibility. I hate that a group of anonymous people are tearing this artist down. Especially because he is excellent at what he is. Pustilifelya (talk) 08:11, 7 April 2013 (UTC)— Pustilifelya (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
- That is possible, but then there would be plenty of press to prove it. Apparently there isn't. §FreeRangeFrogcroak 08:44, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- no one is saying it didn't happen, what everyone is saying is that there isn't any rules for inclusion if it wasn't reported on in reliable sources it can't go into the article. As of now there are more reliable sources for a vigil held for an elk than there are for George Komsky singing the national anthem, which gives you an idea on how significant this event actually was. Find reliable sources and we are all happy to include it.Coffeepusher (talk) 15:57, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- No one has to take my word for anything. All anyone would need to do is to come up with the media coverage that would have been generated after that. And supposedly tied somehow to remembrance of the Sandy Hook killings? There would be so much press about that we wouldn't even be having this conversation. But obviously there isn't. §FreeRangeFrogcroak 18:34, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- no one is saying it didn't happen, what everyone is saying is that there isn't any
- That is possible, but then there would be plenty of press to prove it. Apparently there isn't. §FreeRangeFrogcroak 08:44, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- The truth is that pre-game was televised, practically everyone I know in the Bay area saw the salute to the fallen, and GK singing the anthem right after it. This system of wikipedia's is bizarre, you can't just burn a subject's claims on thin air arguments, and then diminish him at the same time. This is not fair that people who clearly have no idea what they are talking about on a major accomplishment (singing a the game in the first place is a tremendously complicated and difficult thing to do, live to 65,000+ people) but it was also on TV with millions watching which clearly impacted his national visibility. I hate that a group of anonymous people are tearing this artist down. Especially because he is excellent at what he is. Pustilifelya (talk) 08:11, 7 April 2013 (UTC)— Pustilifelya (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
Keep he does meet the requirements forWP:BAND. I just added a source that points out that 23 million people watched the performance at the game cited in the article. Which is as much if not more then most NFL playoff games. Singing at the Superbowl is an honor bestowed upon megastars. You don't have to be a megastar to be notable, and 23 million people is not an audience to sneeze at. An above editor claimed that the audience watching the game was immaterial to the article, but the editor directly above me clearly disagrees and uses this logic as a way to prove that the subject of the article is not notable. Clearly these two editors are heavily subjective and using their own criteria somewhat. I would appreciate it if no one removes the source I cited about the audience count because clearly some editors are swayed by such facts, while others are not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Selmaflora294 (talk • contribs) 22:40, 3 April 2013 (UTC) — Selmaflora294 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]- Selma, the gamewas broadcast watched by millions; the anthem beforehand was not. By him, he's notable; by his mother and the charities he sings for, he's notable; ]
- Delete - long history of PR flack involvement, COI and s.p.a. edits, all for an WP:UPANDCOMING guy who might or might not get to be notable someday, but isn't yet. --Orange Mike | Talk 03:56, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - fails WP:MUSIC - the available sources simply do not meet that threshold. He may one day meet notability guidelines, but he's not now meeting it. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 05:17, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Full disclosure, I am a fan of the singer and I disagree he fails ALL notability reqs (he fails some of them though and editors are right about that). He does fulfill some of them though, and having read some of the articles there pretty legit. Honestly, there are people who have much smaller resumes with wiki articles. Marlonbrandyn (talk) 22:02, 4 April 2013 (UTC)— Marlonbrandyn (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
- 1) specifically which parts does he meet, and what are the sources to verify that he does meet them? -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 14:33, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- 1)
- Keep Because of the way the above people have lied about the subject, and because I agree with the other keeps. He meets a few of the notability guidelines, and squeaks in on those he does meet. His accomplishments, all of them are notable. Thank you. Davidblumin (talk) 07:30, 7 April 2013 (UTC) — Davidblumin (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
- Keep - I think he meets WP:TOOSOON but then again, some of it more then meets thresholds stated in wikipedia guidelines. I think the article can remain. Pustilifelya (talk) 08:17, 7 April 2013 (UTC)— Pustilifelya (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
- Keep - I am not any way interested in swaying anybody on anything. As a Bay Area citizen I can speak about this person cause he's well known. Nothing in this space is inaccurate. If anything, the amount of naysayers here is alarming and whatever body oversees this needs to issue some sort of warning. This seems an awful lot like a gang of anonymous nobody's joining together to bring the subject down, and spitefully at that. When it all boils down, George Komsky passes Wikipedia guidelines on WP:BAND as the knowledble person above states. More significantly the organized nature of the people claiming George didn't broadcast to the US in that football game, or that he didn't help charities that he did; is SUSPICIOUS. I'm not the guy who experts in online protocol, but I know a good guy when I see him. I read the articles about George as they arrived, and I m interested in his progress. Don't tear a good guy down just because... This is an honest person, and I don't see any reason to take this piece down. Stop voting based on your syntax. Look at the quality of the article and what he's done (no to mention doing, as I have checkd out th website). Keep. Buzzweldy (talk) 00:45, 8 April 2013 (UTC)— Buzzweldy (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
- Comment Actually, as we keep saying, all we are claiming is that there are no reliable sources that say he broadcast in the US in that football game. Find one and we will put it in. All you have to do is find one single source that says he broadcast on national television. here is a reliable source that is about an elk vigil. Right now we have more reliable sources on this page for "Big boy the elk" than we do for Komsky singing the national anthem. Now find a reliable source to back up your claims, because personal testimony doesn't count for squat here.Coffeepusher (talk) 05:16, 8 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- and even if there is such third party confirmation - who fucking cares? no one of the 25 million tuned in to watch this guy sing, and even before the kickioff, anyone who had seen had forgotten his name. this is entirely irrelevant and it has no effect on establishing notability. . -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 09:39, 8 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Actually, as we keep saying, all we are claiming is that there are no
- Comment I've voted already, but need to make a point. There doesn't appear to be a source confirming millions watched at the moment he sang, but lets not be flippant: it is not insignificant for a performer to be seen by millions (regardless of the reason for their seeing him, some were certainly pleasantly surprised and became admirers afterward, while others weren't). I'm sure TRPoD understands this rather simple point, and should also be capable of grasping the the subjective nature of his comment above. Are the editors in this discussion engaged in SUBJECTIVITY or objectivity? I'm sure all would argue the latter, or at least should. But here and there the SUBJECTIVITY comes forth, as in the above editors frustration in stating his/her sole opinion that singing in front of a large audience is not notable, and then compounding his blunder by stating an even worse subjective claim: "Anyone who had seen him had forgotten his name." Does the editor also feel himself qualified to judge the quality of the singer's performance? Is he having a Simon Cowell moment? If not, how does he know that people did or did not remember the singer's name? Does he have the citations or sources to prove it? Obviously not. But he demands that article prove its points, right? And the person above TRPoD states: "we have more reliable sources on this page for "Big boy the elk" than we do for Komsky singing the national anthem" but such a statement is pointless because there don't need to be many sources, just one legitimate source confirming a point, according to many of the editors here. And the source regarding the singing is legitimate, correct? The primary detractors in this discussion are editors TRPoD and coffeepusher, and they have spent a great deal of time and effort on an article of very little significance, trying to adhere solely to wikipedia rules; yet the subjective nature of their motivations and the comments outside objectivity paint a picture of a different sort. I hope that they understand the difference. And whatever body ultimately oversees this discussion needs to take note of this tendency in these contributors. Mikeclark22 (talk) 02:03, 9 April 2013 (UTC) — Mikeclark22 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
- Just to clarify, this isn't a vote. Raw counts are, for the most part, irrelevant. What matters is the the application of Wikipedia guidelines and policies towards supporting opinions. To that end, you would be much better served to explain precisely how you feel the the subject meets the notability guidelines, and precisely which sources you feel meet the Wikipediaa guideline to be a reliable source to support the claims of meeting the notability guidelines. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 02:09, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Just to clarify, this isn't a vote. Raw counts are, for the most part, irrelevant. What matters is the the application of Wikipedia guidelines and policies towards supporting opinions. To that end, you would be much better served to explain precisely how you feel the the subject meets the notability guidelines, and precisely which sources you feel meet the Wikipediaa guideline to be a
- Comment Thank you Barek, upon re-reading my previous vote I noticed you were right in bringing up my lack of reasoning. I am going to defer to an editor above, 'theroadislong' and agree with the analysis that George Komsky narrowly meets WP: MUSICIANhe meets it, but does not knock it out of the park. The criticism there is not without merit. I would like to see the article stay.
- Comment Thank you Barek, upon re-reading my previous vote I noticed you were right in bringing up my lack of reasoning. I am going to defer to an editor above, 'theroadislong' and agree with the analysis that George Komsky narrowly meets
- Being a newbie, I don't understand how all of the input leads to a result? Who will go through all the argumentation and decide upon it? Do we know that information? Is it one person or many? Are the more-experienced editors already aware of how this will ultimately be resolved? Also, please explain how you came to be so knowledgeable of the editing process... are there online courses or how-to guides? Can someone please help me understand better??? I feel somewhat ill-equipped to engage fully with others in this forum without being brought more thoroughly up to speed. Mikeclark22 (talk) 03:16, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- For an explanation of the deletion process, see WP:XFD. For more information on how to edit effectively here, see the big notice with lots of links left on your own talk page. Always happy to have new editors who are genuinely interested in learning how things work here. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 04:50, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- For an explanation of the deletion process, see
- Being a newbie, I don't understand how all of the input leads to a result? Who will go through all the argumentation and decide upon it? Do we know that information? Is it one person or many? Are the more-experienced editors already aware of how this will ultimately be resolved? Also, please explain how you came to be so knowledgeable of the editing process... are there online courses or how-to guides? Can someone please help me understand better??? I feel somewhat ill-equipped to engage fully with others in this forum without being brought more thoroughly up to speed. Mikeclark22 (talk) 03:16, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Question Why are visual sources so looked down upon? This subject in particular has a lot of official youTube videos that actually indicate more than what is in the article itself, but cannot be used. Why is the 'eye' test deemed so unworthy? (I can understand that some people can edit videos inauthentically, but surely that is not the only reasoning?)Mikeclark22 (talk) 03:25, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- it is not that "visual sources are looked down upon" - it is the matter of come to a conclusion that has not been made by the sources. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 14:27, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- it is not that "visual sources are looked down upon" - it is the matter of
- Question I see I have been designated a SPA. How many edits on wikipedia must I make to lose the label? Mikeclark22 (talk) 03:27, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- To answer your question please read single purpose accounts is right here. I would start by contributing to areas of Wikipedia outside of George Komsky articles.Coffeepusher (talk) 03:47, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- To answer your question please read
- Thanks! I read over those, and they are really helpful. Another question: where do find other articles to edit? Is there a specific place for new articles that need it? For instance how did you discover George Komsky's article?
- COMMENT/Question in reading the WP:NMUSICI discovered the following (verbatim):
- COMMENT/Question in reading the
"Many who spend significant time improving Wikipedia's musical coverage feel that notability is required for a musical topic (such as a band or musical theatre group) to deserve an encyclopedia article. Please note that the failure to meet any of these criteria does not mean an article must be deleted; conversely, meeting any of these criteria does not mean that an article must be kept. These are merely rules of thumb used by some editors when deciding whether or not to keep an article that is on articles for deletion. In order to meet Wikipedia's standards for verifiability and notability, the article in question must actually document that the criterion is true. It is not enough to make vague claims in the article or assert a band's importance on a talk page or AfD page – the article itself must document notability."
Does this discussion come down to a bunch of subjective analysis on what is indeed NOTABLE? The two detracting editors believe Komsky is unworthy, while the single issue editors who all like Komsky think that he is worthy, but in need of and capable of becoming more notable. "Please note that the failure to meet any of these criteria does not mean an article must be deleted; conversely, meeting any of these criteria does not mean that an article must be kept." That guideline creates a huge grey zone of what is notable and what isn't, and leads to a digital shouting match!. I think THE verified sources of what he's done are notable enough to warrant this article remain ON wikipedia, it certainly does not hurt wikipedia because none of the contents of the article are without official verification. So why delete? He meets guidelines, then again some he doesn't meet. There is no overwhelming evidence to warrant either position 'winning' this argument.
Repeat- "It is not enough to make vague claims in the article or assert a band's importance on a talk page or AfD page – the article itself must document notability." Seeing as how there are no vague claims in this article, it boils down to a discussion among differing opinions on what is and is not notable. All of us can disagree on that, but none of what is written is false. And some of the sources are MAJOR sources that had journalists decide that they were NOTABLE. Why is that an anonymous band of editors on Wikipedia can claim to ascertain better the grounds of notability then a professional journalist who has to answer to a superior, fact check sources, and satisfy a readership? What gives you or anyone else here the right to make their opinion count any stronger then someone with greater experience in the matter?
Repeat- "Please note that the failure to meet any of these criteria does not mean an article must be deleted"
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- Keep After reading above comments it's obvious that there is "bias" going on in some of the comments. Although from what I am understanding this should be based on fact not personal opinion. The facts are clear, George had performed at many venues, he had contributed his time and talent to many charitable organizations.There are numerous articles in magazines and newspapers about his performance. His performance was televised and anyone who's ever been to his concerts and have heard him sing would agree that George is a very talented singer. So why not let this article be a source of inspiration to other young talented singers. In all honesty, there are many "famous people" articles that I've come across on Wikipedia that have a lot less content and reference material, but they remain published. Koolgirlygirl (talk) 05:39, 9 April 2013 (UTC)— Koolgirlygirl (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
- while your point 1 may be true about lots of performances, you declaration inpoint 2 about significant coverage is certainly debatable at best as to whether promotional blurbs in local papers promoting upcoming events is actually "significant coverage" or just regurgitation of PR press kits to drum up audiences. I will note that there are actually no reviews from any sources at all, other than the one penned by the PR agent about the "handsome young tenor" which has been appropriately removed as non reliable.-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 14:16, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- "Keep" So many of the edits from the original article seem to have an agenda to chip away at the article's content without fundamentally improving the overall integrity and communicative goal of a good article. I do a tremendous amount of editing work across several venues, and I hope the intent of the editor is to offer substantive change to the articles ability to accurately portray the facts and to evaluate the article's technical congruency with the specific domain's guidelines. I sense a lot of emotional involvement in some of the initial editors who had a very rapid and aggressive response to an article which in its original form was a very nice article; it just needed improvements on referencing and other fixes to polish up the information to better represent wiki's guidelines. I would vote to keep as I think the article itself has merit. The accomplishments of the artist here is not mundane. It is extraordinary in its scope as well as the number and magnitude of the venues this performer has been the major or often sole contributor of the talent of the venue. His solo venues sell out. ALthough I agree with many of the concerns over what constitutes notoriety, I feel like those concerns are very appropriate, but the article just needs improvements by editors in those arenas and not deletion. The are aspects of the wiki biography guidelines WP:BIO which allows for a certain amount of lattitude in setting the stage of description of a character or individual in order to depict their essence. That has been destroyed in this article instead of editing the content so it does meet standards well. The items of the article seems to just be deleted out instead of reworking into a better syntax or into a better degree of fit for demonstrating the substantial content to fulfill the various aspects of article's overall merit in those aspects. That is not to say that several of the arguments made by the articles are not well representative of wiki's rules at first glance. I think there is a very good attempt in many ways to cite the appropriate guidelines, I just do not see the effort to fix the content. There are cherry picked for only the negative and it lacks several of the notations of the guidelines that were well met by the original article which I can come back and cite individually if this article is giving the appropriate chance for honest and well intended editing if it stays. There are aspects of the notability requirements which have weak representations from a procedural aspect but the actual event or accomplishment they represent are highly notable, I think just positive reworking is all that is needed. Again, I vote to keep because there is too much direct attack on the article with what appears to be not a good balance of objectivity in a solid group of editors; and, I think the article should stay and just have editing of its original elements and not just deletion every time an element is called into question. That is, I repeat, not to say that the seasoned editors on here have not represented their arguments well. I just think there is adequate merit and notability in this artists and the events he has led demonstrating an article that needs changing, not deleting. My interest in this article was purely due to my finding this artist independent of wiki and seeking out learning about him based on the accomplishments I had discovered and how impressed I was with the artist. My need to edit here arises out of my enjoyment of editing and my awareness that there is too much here that needs to be kept and just expertly reworked and not deleted. I hope the administrators making the decisions can see through some of the undertone here and choose to keep to give a very appropriate article in this arena a chance to be a great representation of the artist and the consensus as well as the consensual knowledge base.BlackstonB (talk) 13:55, 9 April 2013 (UTC)— BlackstonB (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
- removing improperly sourced and presented materials during an AfD is not only allowed it is encouraged so that those discussing the AfD can see what the reliable sourced materials actually present. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 13:59, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- "Question" Would working through the "WP:MUSICIAN" dialogue a better avenue for editing content about this artist?BlackstonB (talk) 19
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- if you look above, there are many occasions when I have asked those who state "WP:MUSICIAN has been met" to clarify how and provide the sources. I welcome you to take up that question. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 01:51, 10 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- thanks for the reply. I, too, believe that there needs to be work by any contributors to get the supporting referencing and citations clearly stated for all parts in question. I do think that it can take some time for that to do be done well and that just having a proper opportunity to do that is all that I would ask for as an editor for this article, and any article for that matter. I have reviewed the contributing concerns and statements for all the editors present, and I have read all of your comments and recommendations hoping to adequately address concerns that you and other editors have brought up in requesting that the validity of sources and the ability of the elements to meet the inclusion criteria. I appreciate any comments you may have regarding your expertise in reviewing the elements of the article for appropriateness; and, I'm currently working on the research to hopefully start providing proper supportive referencing to get this article up to par with all its requirements both technically and regarding its content. I will follow all commentary questioning various aspects and will be working on providing edits and updates which may satisfy those requests for clarification. I appreciate any comments made regarding deficiencies in meeting technical and content criteria; and, I will be working along with the other editors here to get the page into a nice concise presentation. I was just concerned if the article was going to be deleted before a reasonable chance to do that had been granted. Thanks again.BlackstonB (talk) 02:17, 10 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- the time allocated for an AfD has built into it the possibility that appropriate sourcing might be difficult to find - this case has no exceptional differences from the thousands of other articles that have gone through the process. And even after it has been completed if the result is "delete" because no sources were provided in the appropriate time, the article can still be requested to be moved from the live article space to a user sandbox for a period of several months while the search continues. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 13:52, 10 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- if you look above, there are many occasions when I have asked those who state "
- the biggest concern raised at the AFD is that several experiences editors have been unable to find any significant in the field of music then I would suggest you post those sources directly here. Understand that these are the same requirements that have been given to every editor who wanted to keep the page a week ago. It appears that they chose instead to filibuster which gives the impression that the sources don't exist.Coffeepusher (talk) 12:49, 10 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Delete. Fails on so many grounds relating to notability (or lack thereof) WP:COIfrom the creating editor. All editors "voting" to keep appear to have reg'd accts for the sole purpose of doing so, apparently called to action by Komsky or his agent/publicist. When (if) Mr Komsky does become notable, that will be the time for WP to have an article about him.
- This AfD has been running for over a week and I think that all arguments that might be made by either side have been made. Could an Admin have a look at this, make a decision, and close? Thanks 124.168.254.164 (talk) 03:48, 11 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was merge to Wesley Eisold. MBisanz talk 21:36, 13 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Heartworm Press
Does not appear to meet
- merge It should merge but why do you need AFD for that? You can withdraw and just merge, yes? Thank you, MarioNovi (talk) 05:17, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge or Delete per nominator. Blue Rasberry (talk) 10:40, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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- Weak Keep or Merge. It was me that started the article, after documenting Heartworm #37. I thought a small art imprint curated by a notable musician deserving of brief mention. I find the individual external linking unnecessary. As noted the web presence is erratic, so the actual listing is useful, yet would overpower the Eisold article. So I am saying that it should either be pared down to my original minimal form and merged, or kept as a useful listing of releases, albeit after some cleanup. Wwwhatsup (talk) 22:29, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was merge to University of Texas at Dallas academic programs. MBisanz talk 21:36, 13 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
CentralTrak: The UT Dallas Artist Residency
The topic of this article is not notable and fails
- Comment The article text is substantially copied from the sections on "The University of Texas at Dallas: History" and "Location" on this webpage. AllyD (talk) 21:49, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete This sounds like a ]
- Delete, I'm not seeing much third-party coverage to satisfy ]
- Keep Easily meets notability. Numerous sources independent of the venue write about it. Please see discussion here. Bus stop (talk) 00:13, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge to WP:N, the sourcing is all local, and given we're talking about a building that houses 8 students at a time, and only existing since 2008, a standalone page is highly questionable. Since this is part of the Arts school residency program, it makes sense to discuss it in that program's section (along with a redirect and anchor). --MASEM (t) 00:21, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep seems notable, and an interesting program...Modernist (talk) 01:37, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- I assume that it being interesting is your personal opinion (it's mine, too) but what do you think makes it notable. More specifically what guidelines do you believe can be used to call this subject notable? OlYeller21Talktome 03:09, 11 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge to WP:ORG which it fails as all of the coverage comes from local sources. I think an argument could be made that venues that show notable art (music, paintings, etc.) made by notable people, should be notable but I haven't been convinced that this is one of those cases. The subject definitely shows signs of importance in its area and to UT at Dallas which is why I'm !voting merge. Not much information should be lost in the process and if the subject does become notable, the article can be restored. OlYeller21Talktome 21:44, 10 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge to University of Texas at Dallas academic programs: No sources showing anything more than local significance. Sources provided are all local, routine, tangential, trivial or not independent. I couldn't find anything promising myself. It may merit a brief mention in the UTD article, but not it's own free-standing article. Dominus Vobisdu (talk) 00:24, 11 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. WP:NOTPAPER. What would we gain by cramming an article such as this into a relatively unrelated article? Contemporary art tends to constantly turn out something new. The "CentralTrak" article would tend to be a more active article than the more staid "University of Texas at Dallas academic programs" article. I think we should allow this article the space to grow. I've placed a link for this discussion here. Bus stop (talk) 17:16, 12 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- What you are proposing is not supported by WP policies and guidelines, and, in fact, contradicts them. Dominus Vobisdu (talk) 17:31, 12 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- "Contradicts" in what way? I think I've only suggested placing diminished emphasis on certain aspects of policy. I think the question of the notability of this institution was brought here because policy does not seem to appropriately evaluate this institution for notability. Bus stop (talk) 17:36, 12 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- What you are proposing is not supported by WP policies and guidelines, and, in fact, contradicts them. Dominus Vobisdu (talk) 17:31, 12 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment.
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The result was keep. Passes notability guidelines for objects (
274301 Wikipedia
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While this may be funny, I don't believe that it meets
]- Keep, from NASTRO: "smaller objects can be notable, and arbitrary standards should not be used to create a bias favoring prominent astronomical objects." Based on outside sources, the coverage is significant enough under WP:N to merit inclusion.--William S. Saturn (talk) 04:01, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Do you have any examples of sources that demonstrate notability? I did a quick search but found nothing of note. ]
- A quick search brings up these:
- I am admittedly limited in knowledge of the subject and the sources available. But from my search, I am satisfied that this is notable enough.--William S. Saturn (talk) 04:24, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per the GNG, in-depth coverage in multiple sources. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:25, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. The JPL catalogue is a notable catalogue in my opinion. --Gereon K. (talk) 11:46, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. The Official Name, "Wikipedia," of the Asteroid is Notable (NBC News) - Should Be Sufficient Reason - imo - Nonetheless, and ALSO, the "Notable in the Official History of Science, the Official History of Wikipedia and, as well, is associated with numerous transclusions on the Wikipedia WebSite - in any case - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 12:49, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep: Per ]
- Keep Easily passes ]
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The result was redirect to Sameer Thahir, if the film finally gets some coverage, the article could be restored in one click.--Ymblanter (talk) 08:07, 13 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Neelakasham Pachakadal Chuvanna Bhoomi
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Unreleased film, no major coverage to pass
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- Very week keep without prejudice. If this movie is on pace for an August release, there should be more coverage soon. I know, WP:CRYSTAL and all that, but there is some coverage now. I think the better course for the article right now is to continue researching, sourcing, and improving the article. Now, if August comes and goes and there's neither updates nor a film release, let's bring it back to AfD—and I'll probably !vote differently then. —C.Fred (talk) 15:46, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- I'd say that's grounds for userfying the article, certainly not for keeping it in mainspace. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 15:51, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- redirect to the director. fails WP:GNG.-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 22:30, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- TOO SOON as this film is slated for an August release and while waiting the article can be improved and sourced through collaborative effort. And yes, while it's waiting we can always speak of it in the director's article... so a redirect of the title after incubation is sensible. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 04:53, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to Bits and Pieces. J04n(talk page) 18:43, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Bits & Pieces
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PROD deleted. Non-notable pilot for a TV series that was never picked up and pilot film was never shown. Not notable as an unreleased film
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- Delete this article and redirect to chatter) 04:54, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Nah, it was real. I just don't necessarily see so far where it was actually notable. I'll probably add a few sources to the article to show that it was a real pilot. (。◕‿◕。) 07:07, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Color me corrected then, it just gets wearing when it seems like a fake made by the kids show hoax complex, but this one turned out to be real. chatter) 08:39, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Color me corrected then, it just gets wearing when it seems like a fake made by the kids show hoax complex, but this one turned out to be real.
- Nah, it was real. I just don't necessarily see so far where it was actually notable. I'll probably add a few sources to the article to show that it was a real pilot.
- Delete and redirect per Nate. The pilot actually happened, but it still falls far short of the notability necessary for pilot episodes for shows that were never picked up. (。◕‿◕。) 07:09, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm pretty sure that a pilot was planned and that can be well referenced. I could find nothing that said a pilot was completed. And it was definitely never broadcast. Geraldo Perez (talk) 14:35, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete and redirect per Nate. öBrambleberry of RiverClan 15:31, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- We could mention at Liv & Maddie that the cast members came from an unaired pilot called Bits & Pieces. öBrambleberry of RiverClan 14:00, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- We could mention at
- Delete and redirect. Sometimes unsold/unaired pilots are notable, but notability is not established here. Gamaliel (talk) 23:18, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. ~ mazca talk 00:06, 13 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Asymmetry Festival
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Musical festival. No sources suggest notability, and neither does my search. Endorsing outstanding notability concern since March 2012. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:42, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. The search I did on Google failed to establish WP:GNG. I only found references to Twitter and Facebook. It is a non-notable event per WP:Notability (events). Also, the page is entirely promotional of the subject. ~~JHUbal27 04:33, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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- Keep - Appears to meet or pass the notability threshold. Source examples: [42], [43], [44], [45], [46], [47]. Northamerica1000(talk) 11:42, 12 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was withdrawn by nominator--Ymblanter (talk) 07:43, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Anna Cymmerman
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July 2009 notability tag. Endorsed upon review, I am not seeing any indication in the article that the subject is notable. The only source is a short bio note on the website of an opera she preformed at. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:33, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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- Weak keep, whereas the article is clearly promotional, her website collects the newspaper articles here. My Polish is not fantastic, but my understanding is that they sum up sufficiently for her to pass ]
- The website is way too artsy to be functional, so perhaps it's because of the bad design, but I am not seeing any newspaper articles there. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:00, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Here clickable links on the right, organized by topic, lead each to a number of scanned newspaper articles.--Ymblanter (talk) 07:11, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Ugh, terrible design, but I see what you mean. Ok, she has been mentioned in reviews in prominent Polish newspapers (Gazeta Wyborcza) and others. As such, I am fine if this is closed due to nominator withdrawing the nom, particularly as there are no other votes for delete. Thanks for helpingto save this article, Ymblanter. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:23, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Here clickable links on the right, organized by topic, lead each to a number of scanned newspaper articles.--Ymblanter (talk) 07:11, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- The website is way too artsy to be functional, so perhaps it's because of the bad design, but I am not seeing any newspaper articles there. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:00, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep – per WP:Notability (music)#Criteria for musicians and ensembles #6: she has performed numerous significant roles at several notable opera houses. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 06:07, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Secret account 04:28, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Hatem Bazian
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This subject fails both
- Keep, I think -- though only per GNG, not per PROF. The only real reason has to do with his apparent role in co-founding Zaytuna College, as per this source (there are quite a few others). There's also a good number of news articles in general, though mainly because he seems like a "go-to" guy for quotes when there's a news story about Muslim students; I agree that in the main it isn't "substantial coverage" about him. But a brief article that emphasises his role in co-founding a new college seems worthwhile; I'm open to persuasion otherwise, though. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 04:14, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- per WP:BLP1E if his only notability is regarding the founding of the university, then at best, the page should be a redirect. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 18:30, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- per
- Delete. Clearly fails ]
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- Delete Fails WP:PROF, and Zaytuna College remains an unaccredited institution as of 2012, according to our article, so any notability from being a major officer of an academic institution doesn't apply. I agree that he seems to be the spokesperson of choice when people go looking for on-campus inflammatory quotes, but that's not really a basis for serious notability. RayTalk 02:30, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete COI or team editing issues aside, the subject fails ]
- Delete the article does not show that he has ever recieved wide coverage in multiple, reliable independent sources. being a "founder" of an unaccredited academic institution does not make him notable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:47, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete For the same reasons identified above. Kabirat (talk) 08:10, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete For the same reasons identified by other editors. talk) 03:27, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy delete. Per A7 LFaraone 03:34, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Ion Programming
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The result was keep. JohnCD (talk) 20:24, 13 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Adventure World Warsaw
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Proposed theme park. Prod text was "Missing reliable references, failing to indicate notability". Removed by the creator, I don't feel that anything has been addressed. Still a crystal ballish future commercial project of no present notability. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:35, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete - could easily be recreated if it ever gets built. Until then, we are not a Crystal Ball--Robert EA Harvey (talk) 08:27, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- WP:CRYSTAL is about "unverifiable speculation". Crystal is not a guideline to disallow anticipated events but rather to ensure "All articles about anticipated events must be verifiable, and the subject matter must be of sufficiently wide interest that it would merit an article if the event had already occurred. Mkdwtalk 20:58, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep The project itself is more interesting than the tourist facilities. The construction started on July 21 2012. The announcement of problems in Poland and problems with corruption made a loss for the IMTECH shareholders of 1 Billion Euro in one single day [48]. 94.220.176.18 (talk) 09:34, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep It's not a Future Theme Park from the Future, it is a Present Construction Site in the Present, and the tone of the article seems to be about what's being currently constructed. Listmeister (talk) 13:20, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep – While the article clearly needs some work, it currently contains reliable references such as this one which reinforce the article's content as being accurate. There is even an official web site that was removed from the article at some point that should be reinstated. The argument against keeping it is too broad at this point. --GoneIn60 (talk) 20:00, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Construction is verified - WP:BEFORE, it's quite apparent the building of the park has received widespread and international coverage. About four pages of news stories. Mkdwtalk 21:02, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - Meets Wikipedia's threshold of notability. Source examples: [49], [50], [51]. Northamerica1000(talk) 11:49, 12 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to Miss Venezuela 2010#Official contestants. MBisanz talk 21:37, 13 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Andrea Escobar
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This stub article has a surprisingly complicated history. It used to be a poorly referenced stub on a Miss Venezuela contestant (this revision) but was redirected two years ago to the Miss Venezuela 2010 article. A year later, the redirect was replaced by another poorly referenced biography of a beauty pageant participant with the same name but from Colombia. The problem is basically the same: complete lack of significant third-party coverage. The Colombian Andrea Escobar also landed an acting gig in a telenovela but despite the claim of the article, IMDb appears to indicate that it's a non-recurring minor part. So what do we do with this mess? One option is to revert to the redirect to Miss Venezuela 2010 since we at least have a redirect target. (We do not have an article for the pageant in which the Colombian Andrea Escobar participated) A second option is to just delete because it's quite unlikely that readers will actively search for a non-notable contestant in a 2010 Venezuelan pageant or for an equally non-notable Colombian model/actress. In some sense, deletion is fair to these two women: we just declare them equally non-notable. The last option, of course, is to create separate articles for the two Andrea Escobars and turn the current article into a disambiguation page. I think deletion is the best of the three options. Pichpich (talk) 20:37, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete - I agree with the nominator that in this case, declaring both equally non-notable is probably for the best. Plus, the title that the original Andreas held was Miss Yaracuy, which does not have an article of its own. Mabalu (talk) 15:41, 20 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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- Restore Redirect - The second Escobar does not appear to have particpated in a major beauty pageant nor does her acting career indicate any notability. The first Escobar competed in a major beauty pageant in the form of Miss Venezuela. A redirect to the entrants for 2010 was appropriate then, and remains appropriate now. -- Whpq (talk) 17:09, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. J04n(talk page) 18:45, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
List of prisons in Romania
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list article with only one article. FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 00:36, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment This seems part of an effort by an inexperienced but enthusiastic editor to split the main article, List of prisons-- he ahas created a number of such articles, some with only 1 prison, some with 3 or 4. Probably there is more than one prison in roumainia, so the lsit can certainly be expanded, but it was not a good idea to do something as extensive as this without first discussing the problem on the talk page of the main article in question DGG ( talk ) 00:43, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. There are 45 "establishments/institutions" under the Romanian National Administration of Penitentiaries,[52] (44 in 2004[53]), and that's not including the not-so-secret CIA one. Category:Prisons in Romania also has Jilava and four Category:Defunct prisons in Romania. Clarityfiend (talk) 02:46, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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- Keep and expand, based on ro:Lista penitenciarelor din România or [54]. Razvan Socol (talk) 04:59, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was MERGE & REDIRECTED New article was merged already, closing by redirecting the original. Non-Admin closure Hasteur (talk) 20:21, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Log splitting
short article about chopping wood without any factual or relevant information. FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 00:32, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy merge with Wood splitting. - Gilliam (talk) 00:35, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy merge two articles, same topic Shii (tock) 04:10, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy merge - to Wood splitting. öBrambleberry of RiverClan 15:24, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Secret account 04:30, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
East coast liberal
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Article is completely unreferenced. Would require sourcing per
- Delete it's a unsourced neologism, and although it may be a phrase that people use, the phrase itself has no notability. Ducknish (talk) 20:33, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - a neologism and an awkward Americanism to boot. In Australia, we have an East Coast too and an East Coast Liberal would be someone very different. It also suggests there should be an equivalent West Coast Conservative or Mid-West Liberal. Obviously not always the case but to justify inclusion we would need a lot more by way of sourcing that has been included or can be found (having done a search). There are a few sources that use the phrase but very few, if any, that properly explain what it means. Stalwart111 01:03, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete per nom. & others, as well as ]
- Summarize, Merge, & Redirect to WP:LIMIT, this subject (or another subject) can be spunout.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 23:19, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Usage does not make something notable. Only coverage as a primary topic in a reliable source makes something notable. Same void argument was made for "Bush Derangement Syndrome". Few editors are likely to fall for such nonsense. talk) 03:08, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- My opinion is not based on usage, but based on the depth of coverage from the multiple reliable sources that the searches that I linked and provided. As I said, I can see this as a section of an existing article, which I linked in my statement; sure, I can understand the arguments about whether the subject should have a standalone article or not, but that doesn't change my opinion on notability.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 06:50, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Rubbish. Notability requires coverage as a subject, not some sort of usage threshold. We don't use Google hits to "prove" notability either. You have not directly pointed out any sources of the type needed to establish notability. Maybe there are such sources in your search results, but it's your responsibility to find and present them to support your arguments. talk) 01:07, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- So Yworo is saying that I am lying in my last statement?--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 18:37, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm saying that the sources you specifically linked (rather than searches), are in my opinion simply examples of usage. I further have looked at the searches and don't see any sources that obviously overcome my objections, and as I said, think it is your responsibility to point out directly any sources that you think do rather then assuming other editors should have to dig through the search results and find them. Take that as you will. talk) 21:06, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Here are some examples: Building Prosperity: Why Ronald Reagan And the Founding Fathers Were Right, p. 12, America Right Or Wrong: An Anatomy of American Nationalism, p. 109, Bonhoeffer: Pastor, Martyr, Prophet, Spy: A Righteous Gentile Vs. The Third Reich, p. 329
- Either way, if you add up all the descriptions of the subject of this article, one would add up to at least one or two George Herbert Walker Bush in this book, and outside politics when describing an academic in this book.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 18:43, 30 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Protip: Don't say Democrat Party if you want to sound neutral. --BDD (talk) 21:20, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm saying that the sources you specifically linked (rather than searches), are in my opinion simply examples of usage. I further have looked at the searches and don't see any sources that obviously overcome my objections, and as I said, think it is your responsibility to point out directly any sources that you think do rather then assuming other editors should have to dig through the search results and find them. Take that as you will.
- So Yworo is saying that I am lying in my last statement?--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 18:37, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Rubbish. Notability requires coverage as a subject, not some sort of usage threshold. We don't use Google hits to "prove" notability either. You have not directly pointed out any sources of the type needed to establish notability. Maybe there are such sources in your search results, but it's your responsibility to find and present them to support your arguments.
- Usage does not make something notable. Only coverage as a primary topic in a reliable source makes something notable. Same void argument was made for "Bush Derangement Syndrome". Few editors are likely to fall for such nonsense.
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- delete - every political insult cannot be notable.--Robert EA Harvey (talk) 08:29, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- A policy based reason for deletion is required, not just I don't like it isn't a valid reason. Furthermore, I have shown how the subject falls within the scope of Modern liberalism in the United States, therefore, a redirect and neutrally worded, well cited, content belongs in that article.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 19:13, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Please point at the specific WP:ATA line you think this falls under or consider striking your long winded and apparently pointless refutation. The argument was that the phrase was not notable, not that it's a "new and novel useage of the phrase". Hasteur (talk) 19:27, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Quite. Even if it is a cliche, that would not make it Notable. Merely dull. I wasn't expressing a personal view (that would be indifference) but a concern that the idea of Notability could be undermined by a flood of fashionable catchphrases from narrow interest groups. If every time a speech writer plagiarised a similar argument that became Notable, then what would be the point? I say again, Delete--Robert EA Harvey (talk) 07:09, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Please point at the specific
- A policy based reason for deletion is required, not just
- Delete - Sourcing is the significant argument for deletion here. I understand that "AFD isn't cleanup" but if involved editors cannot be bothered to make improvements to the article itself when problems are pointed out and when the article is deleted, perhaps we are not the right location for defining this. Hasteur (talk) 19:22, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete There's no question the phrase is used, but there's no indication of a concrete definition in WP:OR. If you really want to see this idea expressed, add a sentence to Modern liberalism in the United States saying that people in coastal states are more likely to vote for liberal candidates than their Midwestern counterparts or whatever. Just attach a good reference to it. No one wants to see Wikipedia turned into Urban Dictionary for politics. --BDD (talk) 21:20, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom. öBrambleberry of RiverClan 22:58, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete I think this is arguably a case where this neologism is overly general that it contains an adjective and subject together which would be naturally found together, and it inside itself would not be a term all together. The lack of sources or recognition as a whole term is very minimal. Mkdwtalk 01:12, 8 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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