Wikipedia : Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1143

17:37, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Apmh

There is no Wikipedia policy expressly forbidding paid or unpaid editing, however it is strongly discouraged. I wanted to clear that up so @Owenpantos doesn't think they are violating policy. They are, however, required to disclose such information. Failure to do so is a violation of policy. --ARose Wolf 17:49, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi Everyone! still learning about all of this thank you, everyone, for your feedback, not sure how to direct these comments to you Blaze Wolf and Arose, but this all makes sense and I appreciate it! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Owenpantos (talk • contribs) 18:05, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

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WP:PAID for disclosing that you're being paid. I don't want you to get blocked just because you hadn't disclosed that you're being paid. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk

_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 18:39, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Owenpantos, please understand that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. --ColinFine (talk) 18:56, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Can someone upload some files

The reason i cant do it on my own because the copyright system on commons suck really bad^[1] (and i quit uploading there because i "violated" copyright laws that arent real^[2]), so i will send you the image if you just leave a message on the talk page TzarN64 (talk) 19:14, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

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casualdejekyll

19:19, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Is English not your first language? For a long time now you've been struggling with using the English Wikipedia - you should check to see if there is a Wikipedia in your first language.

casualdejekyll

19:42, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

References

^ i understand the copyright laws but can you make it a little bit simple for countrys that does not have that copyright laws
^ https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:EugeneZelenko

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I was wondering when I could publish pages again and also how to delete pages that are not allowed? Garry23112 (talk) 19:09, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

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separate processes. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk

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Don't try to publish articles like this [1] though. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:23, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

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notable subjects unrelated to them. Anton.bersh (talk

) 19:58, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Adding my Book Series to Wikipedia

Hello,

I have written a book series that has dozens of reviews by reputable sources and has won several awards. However, I am not good at writing Wiki entries. Is there someone that could create the page for me? I tried last year, but was rejected over and over again.

Thank you, Mojarra69 (talk) 20:34, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

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three best of those sources here? {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk

20:41, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

@Mojarra69: I can help you write the article draft, if you can provide at least three good sources (see comment above for criteria). Right now, the article has no usable sources. Anton.bersh (talk) 20:58, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Titanokorys cladogram help

Hi, I am trying to get the Titanokorys article ready for a GAN, So I made a cladogram. it looks good, but there are some things that could be fixed. Here is the article were I was trying to replicate https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rsos.210664. If anyone could help that would be great!. Fossiladder13 (talk) 15:43, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

@Fossiladder13: Welcome to the Teahouse! I suggest you post your request for assistance at the article's talk page: Talk:Titanokorys, with details of what needs to be fixed. If you don't receive any response after a few days, you could reach out to the WikiProjects listed on the talk page, and invite them to join the discussion at Talk:Titanokorys. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 21:05, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Friendly Help

Hello, I Wanted to bring this up. I am have an article about me at Mario Cerrito. It was put up for deletion on February 3rd and was put into the "keep" status. After 5 days it was reopened and again put up for deletion discussion. I left a note on the nominators wall to no avail that read like this. Hello, this is Mario Cerrito. I am a little upset about what just happened. As a working artist and businessman your name means a lot. I am currently casting for a new movie and was just informed this morning by an actors agent after he "googled me" that my wikipedia is facing deletion. He asked me why. As embarrassing as it was when he asked me, I didn't know how to respond. What is irritating me the worst is after researching the history on the article it was JUST nominated for deletion and passed as "keep." As much as I don't know about wikipedia I started doing some research/reading and found under (Wikipedia: Renominating for Deletion) it states : If the XfD discussion was closed as “keep”, generally do not renominate the page for at least six months, unless there is something new to say, and even so, usually wait a few months. After checking it has literally been a matter of 5 days and a page about me has the deletion tag again and it is not right. I can read above that Tamzin seems to have the problem and upon looking at the just passed deletion discussion she forgot to mention it looks to be 5 Keep votes including Alanshohn, Eddy, Roman Spinner, Lamona and Saisykat. I see that a few were crossed out for whatever reasons but I am going off of what I am reading. You have to understand that as a working artist and individual something like a deletion tag on the first website that pops up when people "google you" is very demeaning. I am in the process of casting a film and people do research of who they are working with. To point out something else under (Wikipedia : Renominating for deletion) it also states "If you wish to renominate the page, hoping to achieve a different outcome, then slow down. You and the other participants may be overly involved with a particular perspective. Relisting immediately may come across as combative. Immediate second round participants are less likely to listen, and are more likely to dig in their heels. You may be right, but the audience won’t be receptive. The other participants very likely will be thinking that you have not been listening to them." I feel this has been handled unfairly and wished to express my concerns with you since you were the username who "kept" and then relisted." I wouldn't normall do something like this but felt I should since it's my name and livelihood. Thank you. Mario CerritoItalic text

I am writing to see if anyone can help. One editor seems to keep targeting the page and I do not think it has been handled fairly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MarioCerrito (talk • contribs) 18:12, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

I've addressed this in the deletion discussion page. The article needs to be updated with less of a resume tone. Lincoln1809 (talk) 18:36, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

I see that the article Mario Cerrito was created eight weeks ago by Penandpencil2021, an account that was created only a week earlier and has recently been blocked from editing. The agent may have wondered if you had paid someone to create an article about you, and the creator had breached Wikipedia terms by failing to declare that they were a paid editor. If I were in your position, I'd tell the truth (whatever it is) to the agent. Penandpencil2021's failing should not reflect on you. Maproom (talk) 19:05, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

OP is being discussed at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/MikePlant1. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 21:20, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

...and now blocked. --Blablubbs (talk) 21:46, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

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WP:COI

). By the way, the bureaucratic nightmare that you are going through is largely caused by involvement of so many unscrupulous accounts. In fact, I rarely see so many sock puppet accounts in one place and never saw AfD being reopened.

I see a lot of links in references, but after I checked a few at random, none appeared

notability

. Could you list three strongest sources which you believe support your argument the best? If you like I can check all sources myself, but that would take some time.

Anton.bersh (talk) 21:32, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Testing to see if I can replicate the TOC number wrapping issue. It appears to be because the question was very long, so I'll make this question long so it wraps too.

Dummy question to test TOC number wrapping TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 01:03, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Is this a known issue? It happens with Safari, Chrome and Edge, and the wrapping affects all double digit page numbers if I narrow the viewing window enough. TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 01:07, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Can confirm it hits Firefox as well. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 01:16, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Fixed by @Dreamy Jazz -- lomrjyo ^{(✉ • 📝)} 02:42, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks @Dreamy Jazz! TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 22:01, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Copyright of Korean Image of Atomic Clock

I am working on the article for atomic clock and would like to use some images at kriss time keeping site. Is there a way to use these articles or is the copyright an issue?

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I would also like to use an image at https://www.bipm.org/en/-/2021-12-21-record-tai

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Hi

here and here. -- Marchjuly (talk

) 02:15, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

What are Wikimedia Commons images licensed under? The copyright page at https://www.bipm.org/en/copyright is Creative Commons — Attribution 3.0 IGO — CC BY 3.0 IGO.

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For some BIPM's contact webmaster is hidden by javascript and I can't find the email address.

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ScientistBuilder, Wikimedia Commons accepts a variety of licenses, but they must meet some pretty stringent standards. In general, newer licenses are better than older licenses, which may have minor defects in their legal language. The basic principle is that the license must permit free use by anyone, anywhere, for any purpose including commercial use. The only restrictions allowed are the requirement for attribution, and that subsequent re-use must follow the same terms. Licenses allowing "Wikipedia use only" are not acceptable. Licenses allowing "non-commercial use only" are not acceptable. Cullen328 (talk

) 03:50, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

ScientistBuilder, is my response to your slightly earlier "Can't find date of image" unpersuasive? -- Hoary (talk

) 05:23, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

What is your argument that you are asking about?

) 17:50, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

If I understand your argument correctly, you are saying that copyright questions should be asked at Wikimedia commons?

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ScientistBuilder, if an image is suitable for use in Wikipedia and there'll be no claim of "fair use", then it should be uploaded to Commons. If there's a copyright or other question about it, then Commons is where this should be asked. -- Hoary (talk

) 22:01, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Editing freely

Why cant i post a page that people can edit freely? Spencertheidiot (talk) 17:29, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

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casualdejekyll

17:33, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

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WP:SANDBOX and even then there are still some restrictions on what you can do there. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk

_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 17:37, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Relevant reading for @

17:41, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

@Spencertheidiot: If you were interested in having a page where you could start creating a draft for a Wikipedia article, you could use your user sandbox. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 21:13, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

FYI: Your sandbox will not be found by anyone using an external search such as Google, or a search within Wikipedia. It is a semi-private space. And, Wikipedia does not have 'pages,' it has articles of encyclopedia quality, with references validating all information. David notMD (talk) 21:59, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

@David notMD: Wikipedia has millions of pages that are not encyclopedia articles, such as talk pages, category pages, file pages, help pages, and user pages such as the user sandbox I mentioned. GoingBatty (talk) 22:21, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia javascript Extensions

What are Wikipedia javascript extensions and how do I use them? For example, what are the benefits of

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casualdejekyll

17:53, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

How do javascript extensions work and how do you program one?

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Are there any risks associated with javascript extensions? I don't want any unwanted changes from a javascript extension. happening

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There are definitely risks involved. If Javascript extensions are used by many people then that is a sign that there may be nothing to worry about. But remember that you are responsible for any script mishaps. I haven't had any issue yet - you can see what scripts I have at

casualdejekyll

19:13, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

I didn't actually know that COI helper and Edit Request helper were 2 different things and didn't work with each other. I thought edit request helper helped with any type of edit request, but clearly I'm wrong! ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:17, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Yes! It annoys me quite a bit. I've done a little bit of work to try and make them more compatible, but they'll probably be seperate tools for a long while yet.

casualdejekyll

19:21, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Is there a Wikipedia explanation video on how to javascript extensions?

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) 22:35, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Standard Steps & Timeline for Requesting Edits?

I posted suggested updates to the Change.org talk pages in December (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Change.org) and was wondering what the appropriate next steps are and standard timelines. Is this something you might be able to help me with or advise on? I'm unclear as to whom would actually review my proposal and make the adjustments. Should I pull them through directly and just include all the required citations and disclosers regarding my affiliation or should I just wait for someone to voluntarily assess and apply the edits? I want to ensure I fully follow and respect Wikipedia editing guidelines and welcome any guidance you can offer. ElleLinElle (talk) 18:26, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

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WP:PAID and follow the instructions to do it properly. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk

_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 18:29, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

There is a massive backlog on COI edit requests.. It could take anywhere from a few days to a few months. Sorry.

18:40, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

@ElleLinElle: I added {{edit request}} to Talk:Change.org#Updates to General Overview Box & Introductory Overview for you, to add your request to the backlog. GoingBatty (talk) 21:32, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Thank you all for the responses! I will update my userpage accordingly and thank you so much GoingBatty for adding me to the backlog! I will use that tag in the future! ElleLinElle (talk) 22:57, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Why special pages cannot be edited?

2603:8000:F400:FCEA:1577:560D:84C3:D9D5 Mailbox 00:10, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Because special pages are generated on demand by the MediaWiki software which powers Wikipedia. Their structure is written into the software. But many special pages include some English text which can be edited by administrators. Is there something specific you would like? PrimeHunter (talk) 00:23, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

I need to resolve a problem trying to log in after a prolonged absence

I am a long-time user and contributor with the WP user name Bruin2. Although my user name still seems to be acceptable on your system, my old password is not. I have made multiple attempts to create a new password using the "forgot password" directions, each time I have received a reply saying that there is already another password associated with this user name. I don't want to create a new account with a new user name, because for historical continuity, I want to keep my existing identity. Can someone help me resolve this issue? Right now my new edits can only appear using an IP number. Thanks.2601:648:8202:D080:F8DE:FA6F:37C6:89AC (talk) 21:58, 17 February 2022 (UTC) 2601:648:8202:D080:F8DE:FA6F:37C6:89AC (talk) 21:58, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Have you enabled any password recovery mechanisms? For example, have you added a recovery email or included committed identity at any point in your editing history? Anton.bersh (talk) 22:19, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

User:Bruin2 has stored an email address but we cannot see it for privacy reasons. What exactly happens when you enter Bruin2 but no email address at Special:PasswordReset? Your description does not sound familiar to me. Where do you see the reply you refer to? PrimeHunter (talk) 00:30, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Please fix the infobox

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00:31, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

also @

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I would suggest instead asking at

WP:VPT. I find it strange how when previewing the edit, it says the infobox has a bunch of unknown parameters when those parameters are used normally. I've found that edit previews are just generally buggy. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk

_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 00:57, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

) 01:14, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

२ तकर पेप्सी: The page had a lot of non-breaking spaces instead of normal spaces. Between a parameter name and equals sign, non-breaking spaces are interpreted as part of the parameter name. This doesn't match the parameter name expected by templates. I see you fixed much of it. I have changed the remaining non-breaking spaces to normal spaces, also outside template calls.[3] If we actually want a non-breaking space in the output then we write   or call a template like {{spaces}}, so editors can see in the source what is happening. PrimeHunter (talk

I never would've caught that. I didn't see any non-breaking spaces that I"m used to so I assumed something was wrong. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 01:17, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

26 minutes is probably too fast to refer a user to

WP:VPT. Somebody else may come along here. PrimeHunter (talk

) 01:29, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

I had referred them to

WP:VPT because I saw that as a more appropriate place for a question like this because there they would be asking the question to editors who might be able to figure it out easier than editors here. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk

_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 01:32, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

01:22, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

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I don't see how copying it from Liz's email to you would've cause those non-breaking spaces to appear... ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 01:26, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

I used my smartphone to copy the full article and I guess it created some extra space as previously there was np. ...

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२ तकर पेप्सी: Various software can insert non-breaking spaces in a sometimes misguided attempt to preserve layout. In HTML, MediaWiki and many other places, consecutive normal spaces render as a single space. It's not a rare issue in Wikipedia. Some templates are coded to specifically detect and warn about non-breaking spaces but the code to detect unknown template parameters doesn't do it. Maybe it should. There is a subtle hint in the preview warning for [4] where the quoted parameter names include visible spaces before the ending quotation mark. PrimeHunter (talk

) 01:41, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

I feel like instead the preview warning should say that there may be non-breaking spaces in the parameter name. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 01:44, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Changes can be suggested at Module talk:Check for unknown parameters. The mentioned subtle hint is not deliberate but simply the result of displaying the used parameter name in quotation marks. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:54, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Nominating International System of Units for Featured Article Status

I would like to nominate International System of Units eventually for Featured Article. I think it is ready, but I don't want to have WP:Snowball occur or have the request rejected. What are some thoughts on nominating the article?

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) 01:40, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Take a look through

WP:WIAFA it has what will be looked for in a featured article prospect. If you feel it meets those criteria nominate it. If the reviewer disagrees they will generally post what the issues are so the article can be fixed and renominated when those concerns have been addressed. McMatter ^(talk)/_(contrib

) 01:50, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

International System of Units is the third time you have made a few minor edits to an article and then proposed to submit for an upgrade. Your previous two were GA nominations that were reverted rather than a review being started. This time, a GA article you want to nom for FA. You have mentioned on the article's talk page your intent, which is a right step. Wait awhile to see if you get responders. Given you have not done any GAs, my opinion is a FA is a bridge too far. David notMD (talk) 03:13, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Also,

thermometry and dielectric constant gas thermometry be better than one part in 10⁻⁶ and that these values be corroborated by other measurements." As I try to parse this, I infer that it's the definition that must be "better than one part in 10⁻⁶". Is this really so? It's hard for me to grasp, and very puzzling. However, I realize that my understanding of physics never surpassed secondary school level and since then has suffered long and serious attrition, and so I refrain from editing this kind of article (other than to correct obvious vandalism and the like). This in turn makes me wonder: Are you certain that you understand this area? -- Hoary (talk

) 05:16, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

The tense was from 2016 being current and I was trying to change the tense to be in the past.

) 17:48, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

I understand what you were trying to do,

ScientistBuilder. No objection to that. I suspect, however, that you mangled the original. I'm not at all certain that you have a sufficient grasp of physics. If you indeed do not, I urge you not to edit in this area. -- Hoary (talk

) 21:58, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

I want to help make the article reach Featured Article status.

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Math Formatting in Efn Template

Is there a way to use math formatting in an efn template? I tried <math> and ${{{1}}}$ but the option to add math didn't appear. I think this is because nested templates are not allowed. Is there a way to resolve this?

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My edit attempt is at

) 02:14, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

I know it's definitely not because nested templates aren't allowed. If you check the efns I have in the table on Euro Truck Simulator 2, there are references using references templates in them. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 02:46, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Is there a way to use the Visual editor for adding references quickly in the template Visual Editor?

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) 03:02, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

I think so? There should be a button in the top toolbar that looks like this: “Cite. If you press that button and then insert the link you are wanting to use, if you press a button most of the time it will automatically generate the citation with the correct template with all the info filled out. I say most of the time because sometimes it will fail to do so. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 03:07, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Nested templates are allowed but there is a

casualdejekyll

03:39, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

References

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Annual passenger traffic at DCA, 1991-present cleanup

Hello. Go to Washington Reagan Airport article, scroll down to Annual passenger traffic, 1991-present table. Please clean up table, having difficulty placing and adding 2021 pax total to table. Thank you for your time.

I repaired table from this request, is all ready for future annual inputs. 2601:581:8402:6620:35FD:6653:FCC2:A80C (talk) 04:31, 18 February 2022 (UTC) 2601:581:8402:6620:35FD:6653:FCC2:A80C (talk) 04:31, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Query about major revision required to page List_of_RISC_OS_bundled_applications

This page's content is more than ten years old. In that time new distributions of the OS have appeared with significant applications and games bundled. I have started constructing replacement tables in my sandbox, but want to be reassured that I can simply replace almost all the existing content with the newly formatted, but up to date, lists. Would an editor want to check my new material? If so, how? Bernardboase 23:55, 13 February 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bernardboase (talk • contribs)

I think

WP:FIXIT applies. You've found a problem, you're doing the work to fix it... go for it! If someone wants to argue with you, they're free to do so, once you've done the work. If you feel like being more cautious, you could propose what you're going to do on the article's talk page, suggesting a date a week or so out, on which you propose to make the change if nobody disagrees; that gives anyone who has the page in their watch-list plenty of time to chime in. Alternatively, you could preserve highlights of the old content in a "historical" section, or by creating a table which indicates when each piece of software was bundled, and when bundling was discontinued. That sounds interesting, but like a lot of work. Bill Woodcock (talk

) 14:38, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks Bill. All good advice. In fact the page content is so old and unmaintained that I'm pretty sure no one is watching it, and I am thinking that the "historical" aspects are not that important in this case due to their irrelevance today. The new data has already been collected for the RISC OS magazine Archive (a possible Reference) so reformatting it into Wikipedia tables is the only additional work. I will use its Talk page to point to my sandbox for comment. Bernardboase 17:46, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

On reflection, the likely chief objection to my proposed revamp of the page is that, by including two paid-for distros in my comparison tables, it may look like advertising even though the intention is only to show what functionality is covered by the distros. Is there guidance on this aspect? Bernardboase 16:39, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

There are plenty of lists of things that include both commercial and noncommercial items. Here's one I care about, for instance... the criterion for inclusion there (since there are thousands of smaller ones that only a handful of people each care about) wound up being "is it notable enough to warrant a wikipedia article of its own?" Probably not the criterion you'd use, but I think you'll find that people don't see something being commercial as a reason why it shouldn't be included in Wikipedia. As long as you disclose any conflicts-of-interest you may have, and don't give undue or unbalanced attention to any one of a set of things, you should be fine. Bill Woodcock (talk) 14:38, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Lists like this are notoriously hard to be kept up to date, Bernardboase. Do we really need it at all? 73.127.147.187 (talk) 11:16, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, again. You make a good point about such a page being hard to keep up to date, so I am now looking at an alternative location: a Mediawiki powered site that is specifically for RISC OS information at riscos.info. Its readers are much more likely to care about it enough to help with update! And its content won't be seen as advertising. I can put a reference link to it into the Wikipedia pages. Unless you want to add anything here, I'm very satisfied with this exchange and thank you for all your advice. Bernardboase 15:54, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Glad I could help! 73.127.147.187 (talk) 04:41, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Follow-up to Questions about improving The Principia page.

Hello, I've gone through The Principia page, fixed links and added references for many of the alumni. Are there any other steps to take before the notice at the top can be removed about appropriate citations? Thanks Archivingperson (talk) 05:12, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Archivingperson, hi! Well according to the notice, if you want it to be removed, you must find more sources that are not made by the Principa themselves. Of course, only cite sources you think has relevant information to include in the article. Gerald WL 05:17, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

As a tip: currently your combination of closely related and independent sources is 50/50, around 13 for each. I'd say add at least 6 more independent sources, and if I was the tagger I would remove it after that. Of course, different editors have different mindsets, but the point is you should have more independent sources than primary sources. Gerald WL 05:23, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

How to demonstrate the WP:THREE best sources which demonstrate notability

Hi all, and thank you for the editor feedback :@Liance:, it was actually a lot easier to understand and interpret than I had anticipated (as a Wikipedia editing newb). In reference to Paywith.glass, just to make sure that I have indeed understood this correctly, the challenge with our sources is that they only mention the subject and are not directly written about the subject, somewhat like the subject is just a supporting cast member and not the start.

You may note that for many of the cited articles^[1]^[2]^[3], the terms used are 'led by' in references to the subject. Additionally, the subject matter in this draft is the financial services infrastructure/technology which is critical for the leading subjects that are mentioned in the cited public sources to be cited themselves or for the cited articles to even exist in the first place.

Unfortunately, in the banking industry, it's not the tech infrastructure that is usually perceived as the star of the show (it's either considered boring or too complicated) but the organizations that rely on it instead. Until someone does a direct editorial on the specific technology infrastructure used in the initiative that will be officially launched in April 2022, I am uncertain of how to cite sources which more clearly illustrate that the infrastructure itself is critical to the mentioned citations even being there in the first place.

I would like a bit of guidance or some recommendations on what to look for specifically in the cited materials in order to meet the criteria pointed out in the feedback.

Thank you for your time and help in advance. Hatter.glass (talk) 08:13, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

References

^ "'A New Era for Money': Green Paper Outlines a Digital Future for the Pound". Bloomberg.
^ "UK private sector consortium enters the CBDC game". The Banker.
^ "CBDC pilot: Payments industry group to launch trial for UK digital currency". City A.M.

This must be about Draft:Paywith.glass. (I've read the lead twice, but have no idea what this product is or does.) Maproom (talk) 09:32, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

hi @

DC/EP infrastructure for the Digital renminbi except it's not limited to one country's CBDC. So if it's not clear for you, it will also not be clear to others. So my question to you if you don't mind is, how can we better communicate this in the draft?Hatter.glass (talk

) 12:34, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Hatter.glass:, I've now had time to look at the three sources you list above. I don't think any of them helps to establish that the subject is notable: the first seems to be a press release, Bloomberg doesn't format their own content like that; the second has just a brief mention of the subject; and the third reports what Jhanji has said, and so is not independent (it also describes it as a pilot scheme, and expresses the view that the scheme will never be realised). As for making the draft more comprehensible: you need to start at the beginning, and explain whether the thing is hardware, software, a protocol, or just pie-in-the-sky. And avoid unexplained terms like "CBDC". Maproom (talk) 12:44, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Maproom:, thank you for this. I think I understand a bit more clearly now. The solution is certainly not pie in the sky but we are likely going to have to wait a few months to attempt to publish this since the independent sources that will establish notability won't likely have much else to say about the subject until after the pilots have begun and have been running for a bit. This will also give us time to rework the draft making it more comprehensible. The solution is software primarily but infrastructure not an app. The best analogy I can use here would be, if Revolut's, Monzo's or PayPal's apps are each cars on the road, the subject of this draft would be a fresh new road network they would all be driven on. It is the actual interconnecting infrastructure. My fear is that in trying to explain what makes it different or relevant and why it is such a big deal for the industry, the draft content may begin to sound like advertising. Unlike the fragmented payments landscape of today, it is a single solution for any type of payment or financial transaction type but it has been designed specifically for the digital currency age. It has taken into account issues of financial inclusion, economic stability implications, competition and innovation concerns (and how to foster/encourage them both for the benefit of all), policy and regulatory concerns, compliance and privacy concerns and in a quite unusual move for an infrastructure play, even the user experience and user journey mapping of the customers of network participants. As you can already see, there is a lot to introduce and to explain and this is objectively very revolutionary. It was also one of the primary drivers behind the need to publish the Green Paper referenced by the press. In the words spoken behind closed doors of an official at a major European central bank - "The last time such a comprehensive transformation was seen in the payments space was at the invention of bitcoin and the last time the traditional finance world has seen such disruption was at the invention of the first electronic debit/credit card network." Hatter.glass (talk) 07:32, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Merge articles?

Recently, an

article I was working on was rejected from mainspace. In the time between when I submitted and the declining of it, a mainspace article was created. Should I just move over any non existing content over to the mainspace article, albeit fixing my mistakes (note I just adopted a abondonded edit, really I'm out of my league I'm just a copy editor) LuNaCy (talk

) 05:49, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

LuNaCy, hI! I think you don't need to worry about it, all "Wikipedia-worthy" stuff I can see in your draft seems to be already in the mainspace. Also as a suggestion, we generally refer to people using their last name (Walsh) unless there's a patronymic or similar. We also put full stops first, then citations. But nevertheless, happy editing! :) Gerald WL 07:50, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

I need help because I am not a professional (Aviation topic)

So let me tell you a story. One day I clicked "Random Article" then after several clicks more, I stumbled upon the article Airborne Internet. Now when I saw it, I thought to myself to skip it but somehow by fate, I decided to edit it. I edited it so much it has been expanded and I am worrying if I might put wrong info. Note that I do not know anything about engineering. I am not a professional researcher. I am still a student that is not even in college. Heck I literally have nothing to offer to contribute in that article. I literally don't know anything about Airborne, or Internet, or Airborne Internet beforehand. I don't know anything about the history of it. Can anyone help me in confirming whatever I typed in? Likhasik (talk) 05:50, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

reliable ones. I'd like to note that you cite Blogspot and CDN which are unreliable, suggest you change them. After that, if you're still unsure on whether your information is relevant, you can always ask at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Aviation or Engineering. Happy editing :) Gerald WL

07:57, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Spontaneous Osteonecrosis of the Knee, known as SONK

Wikipedia has helpful information, but nothing under 'treatment'of SONK. I have the condition and had surgery in South Africa Nov. of 2021. I have interesting information about what the orthopaedic surgeon did to fix it, including micro-fracturing, and what my recovery has been like. I am totally new to Wikipedia, but would like to see add insight without too much complication.

2001:569:7C58:B400:D8FA:E7E0:6B79:D5C9 (talk) 04:56, 18 February 2022 (UTC) 2001:569:7C58:B400:D8FA:E7E0:6B79:D5C9 (talk) 04:56, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi – personal information is discouraged. Everything here has to be verified with an independent third-party source. TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 05:05, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Medical/health article references are held to a high standard described at

WP:MEDRS. Not only are personal experiences not allowed, but even published case study results in peer-reviewed sci journals not allowed. Review articles are required. David notMD (talk

) 10:25, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

You are correct, however, in noting that the article Spontaneous osteonecrosis of the knee had an empty Treatment section. I added text with a review ref. That review did not mention microfracturing. The microfracture surgery article does not mention being used as a treatment for SONK. David notMD (talk) 10:28, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

References

Courtesy link: Draft:Priyanka chahar choudhary

hey can someone please check that references are now reliable or not Akb bhatia (talk) 11:55, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

@

WP:NACTOR. Nick Moyes (talk

) 12:33, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

User:Nick Moyes it means thai i cannot create this page ever? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Akb bhatia (talk • contribs) 12:46, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Not in the foreseeable future. If the subject ever becomes

WP:DEADHORSE). Victor Schmidt mobil (talk

) 12:58, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Continuing to try to create this article after AfD (and Speedy deletion after you skipped AfC and created the article) will lead to you being indefinitely blocked. David notMD (talk) 13:46, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Follow-up to Citing Sources

I am not sure how to do the process of changing the URL when I click on Mises En Pratique Definition for the Second at BIPM Mises En Pratique the pdf automatically downloads and when I open it the address is on my local drive.

talk

) 19:31, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

@

ScientistBuilder, it looks like the URLs for those files include a "download=true" in them. Just change it to "download=false" and it'll open in your browser instead, resulting in a better URL to cite. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk

20:37, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

I go to the link https://www.bipm.org/en/publications/mises-en-pratique

I am in Chrome and go to site settings and change automatic downloads settings to Block.

I click on Ampere Mises En pratique.

The article is downloaded to my computer.

How can I stop the article from downloading?

talk

) 02:38, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

If you'd've done what Sdkb said to do, @

casualdejekyll

03:42, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

I was able to do it through Chrome developer tools.

talk

) 14:06, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

I open the developer tools part of Chrome, find the redirect, copy the HTML element, paste the element into a Google doc, and change the state to false.

talk

) 14:06, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

@
ScientistBuilder: Are you asking about preventing the file from downloading on your computer, or how find the URL to cite in the Wikipedia article? For the latter, in most browsers you can do a right-click on any hyperlink and have a "copy link" option. I would think a link to the direct download is acceptable in a {{cite web}} or {{cite book}} citation. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)}
14:14, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Featured Article Subjects

I have a question about most Featured Articles. When I go to the English Wikipedia home page and see what the Featured Article is, I often wonder to myself, "How did this become a featured article?" I am not questioning the idea of a Featured Article, it is just that a lot of Featured Articles seem to be niche culturally specific articles that I've never heard of. I guess the explanation for this is people edit what they are interested in and that's what articles get edits.

) 01:04, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

See WP:Featured article criteria. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 01:08, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

And Wikipedia:Today's featured article on Main Page is picked from existing articles which have gained featured article status due to their quality, not importance. It's sometimes an article with relevance to the day but often it's fairly random. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:20, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Unless it's April Fools. Then it's a bit different (I recall last year the TFA on April Fools was Groundhog Day (film) and consisted of one phrase repeating, which is the entire premise of the film). ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 01:23, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

WP:FA. They are only about one tenth of one percent of all articles. As for "How did this become a featured article?", it underwent a very comprehensive and detailed peer review, details of which can be found on the article talk page. Cullen328 (talk

) 02:44, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

I'm going to get to work on making more technology and science Featured Articles.

) 02:46, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

That's a very noble ambition,

WP:GA status is more realistic but still takes a lot of work, for example see Talk:Biotin#GA Review. Mike Turnbull (talk

) 11:00, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

) 14:25, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

adding source to an article

Dear Wikipedia Experts!

I have a problem on the Hungarian wikipedia site and would like to ask for your help here if possible. A few months ago I found that someone copied content from my website (my laptop service website with useful areticles on differnt laptop parts)one by one to the wikipedia "laptop" site. I asked the local editors about it and we agreed that once I have the knowledge I edit the site with relevant information and rewrite a bit so that it is not full copy of my website. Once this was done, I marked the source (the relevant sites of my website) with web-cite. All was ok for a good while, but in the past weeks some editors keep deleting my site as source and put there different one which are obviously not the source... Some editors change it back to my source and this keeps going on. Is there a way to get justice on this?

Thanks for help! Doctorhouselaptop (talk) 15:03, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

@

WP:SELFCITE, and it's quite possible hu-WP has a similar "rule". Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk

) 15:09, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Question from Ramaesh.hemraj

My article which is a Biography of =====Sara she is just like==== you was declined..because the reversioner felt there are no reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject. However article in Reliable Newspaper of Indian Express published by Home Ministry is submitted as a wiki link..

[̺[Newspaper:]] https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File%3A260122_IE_MUMBAI.pdf&page=20 Page 20 last page

Moreover the videos link submitted [[Media:]] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B32NVYk-6bA&t=5s are themselves the proof that eminent People Like Grandson of Mahatma Gandhi has attended Sara's Talk show and is a secondary source of reliable proof that this article is worth being published on wiki..

Please give suggestions what other references I can add such that this page can be accepted by Wiki..? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ramesh.hemraj (talk • contribs) 2022-02-18T14:04:47 (UTC)

Hello, Ramesh.hemraj, and welcome to the Teahouse. I have removed some extraneous markup from your question above (including an unclosed HTML comment, which was preventing most of the question from being displayed) and added a header.

This is about User:Ramesh.hemraj/sandbox. yes? It is difficult to determine whether your sources meet Wikipedia's requirements, because you haven't cited them in an acceptable manner. In particular, you have uploaded a scan of a newspaper to Commons, claiming it as your own work: this is a violation of the newspaper's copyright, and I have nominated that scan for deletion in Commons. It is not necessary (as well as being usually forbidden) to scan a newspaper in order to cite it. You can cite a source by giving the usual bibilographic information, such as title, date, page number, author (if known), publication; a URL is a convenient addition if available but sources do not have to be available online, as long as they have been reliably published. Templates such as {{cite news}} make this easier - - please see [WP:REFB|]].

Looking at the scan - since you didn't give a title for the article, I haven't found it, and I am not going to wade through pages of a PDF looking (I can't search, presumably because the PDF contains images of the pages, not text). It's possible that it will contribute to

notability, but I doubt it, because I get the impression that it is from her, rather than an independent artilce about her. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. --ColinFine (talk

) 15:21, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

How to cite a group, organization, corporation, governmental body, or institution

I have cited NIST and the BIPM several in editing the Atomic Clock article. I am wondering how to cite institutions manually as opposed to a person with a specific name. There is not a field for organization, or group and I am wondering if there is a way to resolve this.

) 14:23, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello,

ScientistBuilder. I'm afraid I don't understand what your problem is: if the author for a source is given as "NIST", then that's what you supply as the author's name. Can you give a specific example where that's a problem? --ColinFine (talk

) 15:25, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Submission declined due to advertising concerns

Hello! I drafted a new Wikipedia page here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Large_Urology_Group_Practice_Association) and wanted to know if someone could point out which portions of the submission need altering to be accepted. Eishajpa (talk) 15:06, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

@

Apmh

15:19, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

@

The Tips of Apmh: Thank you! Is there any specific wording that you think reads like an advertisement? I just want to get a sense of which areas to focus on when editing. Eishajpa (talk

) 15:23, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

15:29, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Apmh

- neutral manner, you should avoid promotional wordings, and use good neutral synonyms to replace the promotional ones. If you have fixed this, please do let me know or reply this, affirming that you have read and corrected the problem & I’d be willing to have a second look. Celestina007 (talk
  ) 15:28, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Eishajpa, and welcome to the Teahosue. The entire draft, and especially the Advocacy section, reads as telling the reader what LUGPA wants them to know (and is entirely based upon sources written or published by LUGPA). Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources.

I'm not a reviewer, but if I had reviewed it I would have declined it for the complete lack of

notability. I suggest you throw away everything you've done, and start again by finding independent sources, and summarising what they say about LUGPA. --ColinFine (talk

) 15:45, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia Library Citation Rejected

I am working on editing

European Union as an emerging superpower. I working on adding a source https://eds.p.ebscohost.com/eds/detail/detail?vid=2&sid=90eaeac7-516a-468a-a9c6-46cf8a9ec3d7%40redis&bdata=JnNpdGU9ZWRzLWxpdmUmc2NvcGU9c2l0ZQ%3d%3d#AN=edshol.hein.journals.jcmks56.148&db=edshol

. also available at https://wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/login?auth=production&url=https://search.ebscohost.com/login.aspx?direct=true&db=edshol&AN=edshol.hein.journals.jcmks56.148&site=eds-live&scope=site The edit is not going through because of an ebsco login block or something. How can I make this happen?

talk

) 02:30, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

The error message:

Warning: An automated filter has identified that your edit includes a link or reference running through a local proxy – typically, the links include '.proxy.', '.gate.', 'ebsco', 'oclc' or similar in the domain. Such links only work inside the institution that is providing the proxy (sometimes even only in your current login session). The link is (often completely) useless for anyone who does not have access to the proxy of the institution that you are in.

NOTE: you will NOT be able to save this edit if you do not resolve the issue with the proxy link that you added in your edit.

Please replace the proxy links with direct links that do not use a proxy. Thanks!

typical proxy links and how to repair

aa.bb.cc.proxy.xx.yy.zz - a local proxy appended to the domain-name of the original publisher:

'https://www.oxfordartonline.com.proxy.lib.duke.edu/<path>' should be replaced by 'http://www.oxfordartonline.com/<path>'

aa-bb-cc-dd.xx.yy.oclc.org - oclc.org proxy, where the dots in the original domainname are replaced with a dash:

'https://www-ncbi-nlm-nih-gov.ucsf.idm.oclc.org/<path>' should be replaced by 'www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/<path>'

ebscohost, e.g. https://eds.a.ebscohost.com/ehost/pdfviewer/pdfviewer?...., https://web.a.ebscohost.com/abstract?.....

You can link to https://search.ebscohost.com/login.aspx?AN=<access number> (the ebsco 'permanent link' to the reco

talk

) 02:45, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

You can request someone to take a look at the edit and perform the edit for you by following the instructions at

WP:EF/FP. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk

_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 03:09, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

~~That is VERY MUCH not what that page is for..... Though I guess there's no better place for it, since filter 892 explicitly allows admins and bots, which is effectively fully protection but with bots.~~ Me being bad at reading acronyms strikes yet again. For some ungodly reason I thought you were sending them to

03:49, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Oh lol. Ya I may make some mistakes but I definitely would not send them something like this to RfPP. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:38, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Sectioning articles

As an example, I recently created the article for Fredrick Arthur Willius. I want to include a section about his wife and family, but because I have separated his life into two distinct parts, Early Life and Education, then Medical Career, I'm not sure where to put the marriage and family section, since he married after his medical career started, but it seems stupid to shove it in after introducing his career already. Maybe change the first section to Early Life, Education, and First Years at Mayo? Then marriage and family, then Further career? Any advice on style would be greatly appreciated. Evansknight (talk) 16:01, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello Evansknight. If you have a good amount of content to create a new 'Personal life' section, it can be done. But if not, then maybe you could just change the section from 'Early life and Education' to 'Personal life and education'. Kpddg ^(talk ^• ^contribs) 16:06, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

@

Apmh

16:13, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

@

The Tips of Apmh even if the marriage takes place chronologically after the career that the next section covers? -Evansknight (talk

) 16:22, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Articles don't neccesarily have to be chronological. If you really do want it to be, you can have a "Life" section, with "Early life", "Career", and "Family" subsections within it. --

Apmh

16:36, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! -Evansknight (talk) 16:39, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

@

Apmh

16:55, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Size of the logo on the company's page

Hi dear Wiki editors! Pls can you help me to understand how I can adjust the dimensions of the logo in order to let it be displayed fully when it is displayed as a featured page on another wiki page? Fairy Bliss (talk) 10:45, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello @Fairy Bliss:. Could you provide example where logo is displayed incorrectly (or where you want to use it)? I might be able to help you if I can see the problem and verify that my fix actually fixes it. Also, just to check: are you in any way affiliated with Silk Way West Airlines? Anton.bersh (talk) 11:54, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Dear Anton, thanks for your prompt response. Yes, I'm a Digital Marketing Specialist at SWWA. I'm trying to create a wiki page for the CEO of the company and when I add the wiki page of the company on his page, its preview with the logo is cut and logo is not shown fully. That is the page with logo Silk Way West Airlines Regarding affiliation, I have received a message stating that this is not allowed. I did not know this, as I'm new on Wiki. I guess, I just have to add a signature showing that I'm a paid editor, right? Thank you for your support. Fairy Bliss (talk) 12:10, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Dear @

edit request procedure to avoid future blocks. I can help you by reviewing your edit requests. Let's take this discussion to Talk:Silk Way West Airlines Anton.bersh (talk

) 17:34, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

WP:PAID for information on how to disclose. Wikipedia has articles, not "wiki pages". 331dot (talk

) 12:12, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Reverting a GA nomination?

Is it ever valid to revert a GA nomination? Coughs and sneezes spread diseases was created in 2020. It is currently rated Start. The creating editor recently nominated it for GA without having done any additional work since 2020. Any thoughts? David notMD (talk) 14:02, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

@

WP:GAN/I#N1

. So I wouldn't say that's enough basis for doing a GAN "revert."

On the other hand, reviewers may QF a nominated article if they feel as though it needs a lot more work to meet any of the six criteria. Per

reach out to me
_{📝see my work}

14:22, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for reply. I will leave all that up to the GA Reviewer. David notMD (talk) 17:51, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

CAPTCHA with every edit

In trying to edit the wiki from IP every edit no matter how good and without links of any kind, there's a captcha? Is there a reason for this as it slows down editing and is just a general inconvenience. Kznnzdi CAbrzrA (talk) 14:36, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Kznnzdi CAbrzrA I believe that is by design, as it slows down vandals and spammers. If you wish to avoid this, you should make edits with your account. 331dot (talk) 14:39, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

@Kznnzdi CAbrzrA and 331dot: This is due to the emergency CAPTCHA being enabled—it is a temporary measure -- TNT (talk • she/her) 14:55, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

(this should no longer be occurring) -- TNT (talk • she/her) 16:24, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

You will need to do a CAPTCHA as it prevents bots breaking the site. It is also made to protect articles. If you log in again, you won’t need a CAPTCHA. It is also probable that Wikipedia initially launched with it. Oscarhumpage (talk) 17:51, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Citing Articles from EBSCO and other Wikipedia Libraries

Can someone please tell me...if I've found a corroborating article in EBSCO or one of the other Wikipedia libraries, and the library doesn't provide a link to the original piece, and I can't find the same article anywhere else (after an hour of searching), how do I cite it? LJA123 (talk) 17:37, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi @

CS1 citations (the default citation method) like this: |id={{EBSCOhost|129997295}}. You're not the only one who has been struggling with this, so I'll ping @Samwalton9 (WMF), who helps run the library, to this discussion. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk

19:15, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Hmmm. 'Didn't work. It says I need a valid URL...--LJA123 (talk) 19:56, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

@LJA123, could you link to the specific article you're trying to cite and place you're trying to cite it? {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 19:58, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

That's what I've spent all this time looking for--a Rolling Stone article from 2001. You'd think it would be easy to find...not. That's OK, for now, I've cited it without a link. Thanks.--LJA123 (talk) 20:07, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

@LJA123, I meant the link to the EBSCO search result or wherever else you came across the article, even if you can't access the full thing. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 20:11, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Oh! lol. Yes, I have the full article on the EBSCO site. I already tried using that link as a citation. Wikipedia accepted it. But when I clicked on it, as the reader would, it just took me to Ebsco.com--the home page. So that link is of no use to the reader.--LJA123 (talk) 20:46, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

@LJA123, yes, that's what can happen. I have access to the Wikipedia Library, too, so if you tell me the name of the article or give me the name of the search, I can bring it up myself on EBSCO and help pull out the identifier, which is what we need to get a persistent link. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 21:16, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

OK it's Rolling Stone. 03/01/2001, Issue 863, p27. 4/5p. Edwards, Gavin. 'New Faces' ISSN 0035-791X Accession Number 4138696 Thanks--LJA123 (talk) 21:39, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

EBSCOhost 4138696. I've added that and fixed up your citations for you here. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk

21:57, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Oh that's great, thanks. I did enter that, under URL. Maybe I should have put it in the Website box? Dunno. Hopefully, I can figure it out next time. Cheers.--LJA123 (talk) 23:47, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi again. That didn't work either--the reader has to be able to log into EBSCO to read the referenced article. Maybe EBSCO will figure out a way to provide links. (Similarly, Vanderbilt University has the archive of all Rolling Stones issues to 2001, but you have to be affiliated with the university to access them.)--LJA123 (talk) 16:40, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

@

paywalled source, and there's no free legal alternative. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk

17:36, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

ok--LJA123 (talk) 18:16, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

While it's useful to include a link to EBSCO for readers who have access, LJA123, not every citation needs to have a URL. You could just reference the print source - i.e. the details of the article you spelled out above (unless it's a condition of using the Wikipedia Library that a link to the source is provided?). Cordless Larry (talk) 18:23, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

@

WP:SAYWHEREYOUGOTIT. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk

18:26, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Will do, thanks.--LJA123 (talk) 18:34, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

How to make an edit request for a protected page, when the talk page is also protected?

Question in heading Koashva (talk) 18:45, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

@Koashva: You're welcome to make the request here, and one of us can handle it for you. Give the name of the page you'd like changed and the specific change you'd like to see in X to Y format. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 19:45, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Try

casualdejekyll

20:04, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Update company logo and image

I am the Director of Communications for San Francisco University High School and have been asked by the head of school to update the school seal, log and image as they are sorely out off date. The logo was redesigned in 2018 and is NOT reflected on the page. I have permission to update - but receive this error when doing so: We could not determine whether this file is suitable for Wikimedia Commons. Please only upload photos that you took yourself with your camera, or see what else is acceptable. See the guide to make sure the file is acceptable and learn how to upload it on Wikimedia Commons. Jenhart27 (talk) 17:07, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Files For Upload to work on uploading the logo. 331dot (talk

) 17:19, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Jenhart27, and welcome to the Teahouse. Most images on Wikipedia, and all materials on Commons, must be licensed in such a way that anybody may reuse or alter them for any purpose, commercial or not, without payment or requiring permissions. As Director of Communications, you probably have the legal power to license the logo etc in that way; but I doubt if you actually want to. For logos, there is another alternative: English Wikipedia (like some, but not all, language Wikipedias) allows non-free images if

certain conditions are met. Logos of organisations (used in an article about the organisation) usually do meet those, so the way to handle this is to upload a new version of the logo to Wikipedia not Commons, as non-free media. See Logos

for more information.

However, before you do that, you must make the mandatory declaration of your status as a

paid editor. Thereafter you should not edit the article about your school directly, but should make edit requests on the article's talk page. --ColinFine (talk

) 17:20, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello,

conflict of interest. Cullen328 (talk

) 17:23, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

I now see that you do not have the required experience to upload files so 331dot's advice is best in your specific situation. Cullen328 (talk) 17:26, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

I added the disclaimer to my account page, still wont allow me to replace the logo with the actual real and current logo.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Jenhart27 (talk • contribs) 18:52, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Files For Upload. I was going to say you could make a request on the article talk page but I see you already did that unsuccessfully back on Jan 4. I see based on the article history that you have resumed editing the article. While this is not expressly forbidden, it is very much strongly advised not to edit the article. You have a conflict of interest with the subject of the article being a paid employee. You are encouraged to use the article talk page to suggest changes you see need to be made to the article. --ARose Wolf

20:43, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Draft submission

Can somebody tell that this draft is submitted for review or not?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Mel_Maryns If not then please do submit it---- Sweeto dweeto (talk) 20:42, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

@Sweeto dweeto: It is not. Add {{subst:submit}} to it. Looks like someone tried to add that but made a typo. RudolfRed (talk) 20:52, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

I've fixed the template, however it will most likely be declined since a lot of the references are either unreliable (such as IMDB) or primary sources (soundcloud and spotify) which do not demonstrate the subjects

notability. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk

_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 20:58, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

New user /Need help

How to write articles? HeeraDrishti (talk) 05:42, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

You can start from here: Wikipedia:Articles for creation. Some more info can be found at Help:Your first article. Feel free to come back to ask any particular questions once you have. 94rain ^Talk 05:46, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. I'm unable to edit the page Pallab Bhattacharyya. Why? HeeraDrishti (talk) 05:48, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Do you have other accounts? --94rain ^Talk 06:00, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

No, sir. HeeraDrishti (talk) 06:13, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

OK. Did you come here from some forum to edit that article? You can post the sources/citations you want to add at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pallab Bhattacharyya. If the sources can demostrate notability, you can prevent the article from getting deleted. --94rain ^Talk 06:15, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Negative, sir. HeeraDrishti (talk) 06:18, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Ok, sir HeeraDrishti (talk) 06:19, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

OP blocked as a sock of GeezGod. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 22:11, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Is Wikipedia a programming language like JavaScript?

Is Wikipedia formatting a language like

talk

) 19:13, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

MediaWiki formatting is its own beast. It is not a programming language like JavaScript, it is a markup language, like

casualdejekyll

19:23, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

@

ScientistBuilder: To clarify the above: Wikipedia articles use a custom markup language (like HTML, TeX/LaTeX), not a programming language (like JavaScript, Wolfram Language). I recommend you to clear up the distinction before going further. Also, MediaWiki is a piece of software which powers Wikipedia (and other encyclopedias). Anton.bersh (talk

) 19:54, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

However, Wikipedia does incorporate a programming language called CSS (apologies if that's also not a programming language, I'm not a programmer) which helps make certain stylistic things work. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:56, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

CSS is a style sheet language, which is closer to a programming language then the MediaWiki markup, but still isn't.

casualdejekyll

20:05, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

@

ScientistBuilder: In MediaWiki you can make templates which have some programming features like conditional expressions and function calls with variables, but not loops. Since 2013, Wikipedia's MediaWiki installation includes mediawikiwiki:Extension:Scribunto which supports Lua, a full programming language. See Wikipedia:Lua. There is a limited number of editors who know Lua and the code has to be on separate pages called modules so it's limited what we use it for, but it's a powerful language. Wikipedia also has user scripts and Wikipedia:Gadgets written in JavaScript and/or CSS, but saved articles cannot call scripts. They run in the user's browser and can help with editing. PrimeHunter (talk

) 00:56, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Has there been any cases of malicious scripts? How trustworthy are scripts created by Wikipedia users?

) 01:21, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

21:28, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

ScientistBuilder: From experience, almost no user scripts are malicious (I've never seen any). ― Qwerfjkl talk

Are there user scripts that intend to do something good but go into overdrive and remove something that was not meant to be removed?

) 22:35, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Shortcuts that are not shortcuts

Why are there redirects like

Wikipedia:SANDBOX which are marked as "shortcuts", but are just capitalized versions of the pages title? Zuata (talk

) 22:15, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

WP:COPYRIGHT & now, see WP:Copyrights, the former doesn’t contain the letters “S” but the latter does thus aren’t necessarily the “same thing but just in caps” I however do agree with you in the hidden premise of this question, perhaps arbitrary, but that isn’t so much of a problem. Celestina007 (talk

) 23:07, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Submission appears to read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia.

Hi, I have had my article constantly declined with the reason that the submission appears to read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia. The article is 5irechain and I will love the guidance of more experienced editors on how best to rectify this challenge and get my article approved. LambarGuru (talk) 00:57, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

WP:NOT, this means you must re-write the article and ensure all words or statements are neutrally worded. Celestina007 (talk

) 01:07, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

reliable sources that are entirely independent of the topic (5ire) say about the topic (5ire). Recapitulating the company's marketing materials is unacceptable. Cullen328 (talk

) 02:19, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Cullen328 and Celestina007 thank you both for the swift responses. I have rewritten the opening paragraph now, hopefully, that'd be fine. I initially used most content as seen in the article, Stacks blockchain because stacks has a similar mode of operation as 5ire and I thought that was okay. Now I know better. If you may take a look again I will greatly appreciate that, thanks. LambarGuru (talk) 03:06, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

LambarGuru, it looks to me that all of your references are to company sources or coverage in sources generated by company press releases or its public relations activities. Can you please point to significant coverage in reliable sources that are entirely independent of the company and its promotional activities? Cullen328 (talk) 03:27, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

@Cullen328: Your comment is mostly valid, but FYI smart contract is a term of the art, not marketing-speak. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 14:18, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Cullen328 and Tigraan, I have pointed out three sources that I believe are independent and reliable on the draft's talk page. Would any of you kindly take a look? LambarGuru (talk) 23:20, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

"Unreliable sources"

Courtesy link: Draft:Mary Susan James

My draft keeps getting rejected for "unreliable sources." The sources are the Jesse James museum. My subject is his daughter, Mary Susan James Barr&nbsp. RebelRauser (talk) 19:05, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

@

Apmh

19:20, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Even if you do that, this draft has no potential to become an article. To be Wikipedia-notable, a person has bebe written about and referenced for their own actions. Notability is not inherited. Being the daughter of Jesse James does not make her notabile. David notMD (talk) 22:43, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

WP:RS. Celestina007 (talk
) 23:23, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

How to request page creation

How to request a page creation? Oscarhumpage (talk) 17:49, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

@

Apmh

17:52, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

@Oscarhumpage: That is the correct place to request an article, but the backlog there is severe, and your request may not be acted on for some time, if ever. For what reason do you want to request an article? 331dot (talk) 17:59, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

WP:YFA, this isn’t necessarily for editors who are seeking to create their first article, as even experienced editors read up on it every now and again. Celestina007 (talk

) 23:29, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Proving musical notability

Hi all,

I am trying to set a separate page up for a member of a band that has its own wikipedia page. By all accounts I did not originally fulfil the musical notability criteria. As a novice, I suspect that part of the problem was that I copy and pasted much of the original wikipedia entry, not through malice, more through naivety. I have since rewritten (read:hacked) and submitted the article, with new hyperlinks to Irish national newspapers.

The url is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Enda_Mulloy

I now note that I get a warning saying that my submission redirects to the band. Can anyone help? Each day, I discover that I am less intelligent that I thought.

Many thanks in advance of a reply. 94.118.100.188 (talk) 10:50, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

You see that warning because

independent sources. Anton.bersh (talk

) 12:04, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

It is essential that you address the concerns mentioned in the first review. As far as I can see, the current draft is actually smaller than the one already declined, so there is no chance of it being accepted and you are wasting the time of the reviewers. In addition, all the facts stated in the "Background" section must be capable of being

reliable sources) . Mike Turnbull (talk

) 12:13, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, Michael and Anton. I appreciate the responses. The current draft is indeed smaller than the original. I originally thought that the first draft was refused because the new article borrowed (verbatum) too much from his band's wikipedia entry. I did try to ensure that everything in the second draft is verifiable, to that end, it is sourced from newspaper websites that I referenced/hyperlinked to. When, for example, I say that he has two boys, that is mentioned in a hyperlink printed further up the page. Other parts of the biography, such as mention of his father's band link to a separate wikipedia entry. If a newspaper website article mentions 5 facts that I repeat throughout the article, do I need to reference the website each time? I have no problem with doing that, I just thought it may look suspicious if I had loads of hyperlinks to the same newspaper article. Off the top of my head, the only "fact" that I have not provided a hyperlink to is the fact that he is a full time teacher, I will edit the entry to link to the institute's website. Once again, thank you for your help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Imaginarynumber (talk • contribs) 11:28, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

@

WP:CITE for details. Anton.bersh (talk

) 00:06, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Is imagemap illegal in userboxes?

Is imagemap illegal in userboxes? NB4RSITYT (talk) 18:35, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi @

casualdejekyll

20:01, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

User has been blocked as a sock of AlfredoEditor Delicious!― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 00:13, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Create Wikipedia Page

I am looking for someone to create a page for me. I will PAY!!! Jerry Moore (talk) 16:29, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

a notable person

, someone will eventually take note of your career or life in reliable sources and choose on their own to write about you. Trying to force the issue by writing it yourself or paying someone to does not usually end well.

You should not solicit for a paid editor on Wikipedia. Be advised that if you seek one out, they have varying degrees of reputability and despite what they tell you can make no guarantees(such as writing an article that will not be deleted)

Also be advised that

a Wikipedia article is not necessarily desirable. 331dot (talk

) 16:36, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

16:50, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Apmh

Sorry, but this just came to mind:

Don't pay the wikiman -
Don't even fix a price -
Don't pay the wikiman,
until he get's it to the GA style...

Hoping, I didn't break any rules by posting this... --Maresa63 ^Talk 17:15, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

I have a feeling that's a reference I'm not getting― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 17:43, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

@Blaze Wolf: Don't Pay the Ferryman RudolfRed (talk) 18:24, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Yep I definitely missed out on that reference.― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 18:32, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

No - I loved it. Even hummed along to CdB as I read it. I can see a Chris de Burgh wiki-theme developing:

Patricia the Scriptwriter
An Admin Came Travelling
Say GA to It All
What About ANI?

I'll stop now...... Nick Moyes (talk) 01:01, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Protect Talk Page

Well a user named "Alfredokudai" has been blocked for adding false information to articles, well recently he has been using several IPs to post a bunch of random and unreferenced information to the Google Street View Coverage talk page, I was wondering if someone could protect the talk page, I have seen that the Among Us talk page has been protected and I wonder if someone could protect the Google Street View article talk page and remove all content that does not contribute to the improvement of the article. Seb { 💬 Talk + 📝 Edits } 01:01, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

@

WP:RFPP. RudolfRed (talk

) 01:13, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 01:13, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

WP:RfPP. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk

Creating a New Mathematics Article on Matrices that are easier to understand as an introduction

I want to create an Introduction to article for several key linear algebra concepts:

Matrix
System of Linear Equations
Methods for Solving Systems of Linear Equations (LU Decomposition, Row Reduction, Gaussian Elimination)
Vectors
Eigensystems (Eigenvectors, Eigenvalues, Eigenspaces, Eigenbasis)
Determinants
Vector Spaces
Applications of Linear Algebra

I am going go to post this message on Wikipedia:WikiProject Mathematics as well. I do not want to have an issue with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Make_technical_articles_understandable's Introduction to Article's guidelines. I am wondering if there is a piece of advice anyway has.

talk

) 01:00, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

@

ScientistBuilder: There is already an article at Matrix_(mathematics). If you think it can be improved, start a discussion on that article's talk page, and invite members of the Math Project to comment on it. RudolfRed (talk

) 01:16, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

I.. uh.. would recommend reading their entire question before answering it. Though I'm not entirely sure if an Introduction to article is entirely necessary here. (They're rare for a reason.)

01:21, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

I think the Matrix article is good and there doesn't need to be an introduction.

) 01:33, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

I think there is too much abstract theoretical material on math pages.

) 01:34, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Systems of linear equations is simple enough for middle school math classes, at least where I'm from, so I really don't think it's necessary to Introduction it. Just plain old vectors are also relatively simple, and if the article is too technical it should be improved. I think of all your list, Eigensystems is probably the best candidate for an Introduction article. Of course, I'm not an expert here and WikiProject Mathematics is probably the best place to make the decision as to whether it's neccesary.

01:39, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Reference trouble

Help, please. On the surface, it looks like I added a reference correctly to an article (Ref. 5, Hugo Haas}, but when I click on it I get an error message that reads "This XML file does not apprear to have any style information associated with it." Also, now that I've added the reference, I don't know how to bring up the template again to see what I entered. Pete Best Beatles (talk) 06:15, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

@Pete Best Beatles: You got the wrong link my friend. Is this the link that you are looking for https://www.academia.edu/5575347/Hugo_Haas_Hollywoods_Independent_Pioneer. BTW I have already fixed it. --Likhasik (talk) 06:46, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your help. I cited the journal because that was the ultimate source of the information I used. Now I see "Downloaded from Academia.edu" at the start of the article, but I wouldn't have understood it's significance. I can see a scenario where I tried to cite Google Scholar somehow, because that's where I found the article. Now I realize that after the search results came up in Google Scholar, I had to hit a link to "[PDF] academia.edu" but it's confusing, because it didn't download anything, the article was right there waiting to be read. I hope the correct source to site the next time is clear... -- Pete Best Beatles (talk) 03:06, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Check draft

Can somebody please check this draft and let me know is it fine n worthy to be submitted or some corrections are needed. I have done a few after suggestion from an editor. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Mel_Maryns 02:31, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Mel_Maryns is already submitted for review. Just be patient. RudolfRed (talk) 04:54, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Citing is hard

I know that content should be supported with reliable sources, But the hardest part of citing evidence is the entering the date. Thats because an error will occur when you type it in and it would say "Check value dates in." Why does it do that? 2603:8000:F400:FCEA:DA:5313:91CD:37AD (talk) 01:30, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Can you tell us where you're encountering this error? Also, if you register a Wikipedia account it becomes much easier to help you, however you don't have to if you don't want to. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 01:33, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! You'll see that error when you try to enter an improperly formatted date into a date parameter in a template such as {{cite web}}. There is a lot of helpful information at Help:CS1 errors in the "Check date values in: |<param1>=, |<param2>=, ..." section. What date are you trying to enter? GoingBatty (talk) 01:42, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Note that you are not obliged to use citation templates, we don't have a standardised citation method on Wikipedia. The most important thing is to get the reference in the article by some means. You can use plain text if you can't get the citation template to work (and they can sometimes be difficult). The formatting can always be fixed later by others. Some editors create articles without citation templates at all. This is a perfectly valid method of citation, although you should always endeavour to use the citation style that has already been established in the article. SpinningSpark 11:41, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi there

Muratcan63477 (talk) 12:14, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello and welcome @Muratcan63477. Do you have any specific query? Kpddg ^(talk ^• ^contribs) 12:59, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Major Movement of Sections Mirror

I am going to start working on reorganizing Atomic clock for greater clarity. I am wondering how to create an entirely new and different copy of the article that is not the main article that I work on moving sections around and not worry about messing up the main article. I think there's a way to create a user subpage or a sandbox to do this.

talk

) 02:58, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello,

ScientistBuilder

,

Reorganizing an article? You should probably discuss this first on the article talk page. Just pasting in your "new and improved" article might otherwise see some substantial resistance and your edit could be reverted by editors who are watching this page. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:49, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Your creation of \Atomic Clock was Speedy deleted. You can have more than one Sandbox. Once created, sections from the existing article can be copied, revised, and then inserted into the existing article. David notMD (talk) 03:53, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

I meant to do /Atomic Clock. I make mistakes!

talk

) 14:23, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

@

talk

) 14:25, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Verify Truth

Am I Allowed To Post Questions Here? 2600:8807:C40:1D00:8165:DD1A:F539:E24D (talk) 08:28, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Yes? Do you have any further questions about editing Wikipedia? – AssumeGoodWraith (talk | contribs) 08:31, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Yes, but if it's about "verifying Truth" you’re

not likely to be satisfied with the answer. Mathglot (talk

) 08:34, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Your questions have been thoroughly answered

Wikipiedia is not free webhosting for you to post your music videos or add non-notable names to the "List of composers" page. Further time-wasting efforts will result in a longer block. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk

14:52, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

How to cite things

I’m not that new to Wikipedia but I only ever edit grammar and I do not know how to cite something I write WarInTheDesert (talk) 07:19, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

@WarInTheDesert: Do this:

The earth is round.<ref>example.com</ref>

Which produces:

The earth is round.^[1]

^ example.com

See

this page. – AssumeGoodWraith (talk | contribs

) 07:22, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Also see Help:Referencing for beginners which has templates for various types of references. For example, the website template provides places to enter the https and title and other stuff, and creates the ref for you. David notMD (talk) 13:54, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

@

WP:EASYREFBEGIN. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk

) 16:26, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Citation of fluctuating figures

How to cite a figure that keeps fluctuating e.g the number of countries in which a particular singer is heard as by radio keeps fluctuating . If have added a figure in my article but when i checked the website again the figure was different. Can somebody tell? I am worried that my article will be rejected because of this. 2407:AA80:116:5EC6:D4D:933E:BB0D:16F1 (talk) 10:24, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

What is the title of the article? It's impossible to know for certain "the number of countries in which a particular singer is heard as by radio" (radio waves don't respect borders) so I suggest you omit that, or just say "many countries" or "few countries" as appropriate.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 10:39, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Without commenting on whether this is a good idea or not for your particular example, the usual way of dealing with time sensitive statistics is as follows. In the article text say "as of February 2022..." or something similar giving a date. In the citation give the access date you looked at the website to get the information. Make sure that the website gets archived (using the Wayback Machine is most popular) on the same date you accessed it so that other editors are able to verify this in the future. SpinningSpark 10:55, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

I can't see how such a statistic can possibly be encyclopaedic, unless it has been reported on by an independent source, which will normally be dated. --ColinFine (talk) 16:36, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Get in touch with author of a wikipedia page

Hi. Regarding the wiki page: https://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%94%D7%95%D7%95%D7%A2%D7%93%D7%94_%D7%9C%D7%A9%D7%91%D7%99%D7%9C%D7%99_%D7%99%D7%A9%D7%A8%D7%90%D7%9C#/media/%D7%A7%D7%95%D7%91%D7%A5:%D7%A9%D7%91%D7%99%D7%9C_%D7%94%D7%9C%D7%99%D7%9B%D7%94_%D7%A8%D7%92%D7%99%D7%9C.png

the blue stripe in the picture is not an accurate shade of blue (it should be a dark blue and not the light blue as shown). How do I reach the person who posted that picture to ask him to change the shade of blue in that picture and the other similar pictures he has posted to a more accurate shade of blue? The owner's name on wiki is "David_Robin_1".

Sincerely, Yitzchakm2 (talk) 14:08, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi Yitzchakm2, that's actually on the Hebrew Wikipedia. But it was uploaded by User:David Robin 1. SN54129 14:21, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

This is the English language Wikipedia, where that user is not active. Every Wikipedia is separate. You will need to ping him on the Hebrew laguage Wikipedia.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 14:19, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi Shantavira, How do I ping him? (That his name is in red apparently means that he has no page). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yitchakm2 (talk • contribs)

@Yitzchakm2: this is his talk page on he-wiki, and ready for you to edit :) SN54129 14:59, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi Shantavira, Thank you very much. I sent him a message.

Yitzchakm2 (talk) 17:34, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Question about moving an article

FYI

– Added section header. GoingBatty (talk) 22:32, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Hey! Would it be appropriate to move this article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messor_pergandei) to a new page (titled Veromessor pergandei)? It's now referred to more commonly by that Latin name, whereas at that time it was not. Cerambycidfreak (talk) 22:29, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

@

Talk:Messor pergandei. GoingBatty (talk

) 22:34, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

WP:RM & list the article there. Unilaterally moving articles to a new namespace isn’t necessarily wrong but it is usually reserved to a group of editors known as page movers who are familiar with policy and can determine when a unilateral page move wouldn’t be considered controversial or harmful to the collaborative project. Celestina007 (talk

) 22:55, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

I've posted a message on the article's talk page... just kinda waiting for someone to respond. Can I try and move it if both of your ideas don't work? Cerambycidfreak (talk) 18:03, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

It actually looks as if it was moved. Thanks for the advice! Cerambycidfreak (talk) 18:06, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Rangamini Werawatta

RANGAMINI WERAWATTA [es]

Como hago para que mi artículo acerca de la biografía de esta persona viva sea aceptada en la comunidad por tratarse de alguien que da un aporte al mundo en asuntos de ciencia y tecnología. La misma debe ser en inglés porque esta dirigida a personas en Asia y Europa. Caperucitabohemia (talk) 16:35, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

This Teahouse is for helping with editing the English Wikipedia. If you have questions regarding the Spanish Wikipedia you need to ask there. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:49, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

It looks as if you have tried to submit an article in English to the Spanish Wikipedia. An article in English needs to be here at enwiki, but before you write a draft here you need to read the advice at

references to published reliable sources independent of the subject to demonstrate that the subject meets our criteria of notability. --David Biddulph (talk

) 16:54, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

19:05, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

How to suggest possible error/correction

Can I, and if so how, suggest changes to a posted Wikipedia entry? (“Impedance Analogy”) Reasonably sure I’m right and not wasting anyone’s time. Thx. Bldg36nites (talk) 00:06, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

That page is not protected, and therefore anyone can edit it. @

casualdejekyll

00:14, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. You may submit an edit request, for suggesting edits, for more information, please read

storm28

00:14, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

The page in question is not protected, so an edit request is not needed. (Unless they'd like to wait a million years for someone to finally get around to the COI backlog.)

00:15, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Yes, just in case if this editor runs into trouble into some page-protected article.

storm 28

00:18, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

@Bldg36nites: I'm not sure what you mean by your question. No such article called "Impedance Analogy" exists on Wikipedia. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 00:15, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Yes it does??? See

casualdejekyll

00:16, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Oh. I sometimes forget that when linking articles it's case sensitive. My bad. I was typing it exactly as they had put it. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 00:28, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

@Bldg36nites I'm really glad you asked your question here - thank you. I also spotted that you did then manage to edit the article on Impedance analogy. I'm afraid it did get removed by another editor, but that was because it was more of a commentary or observation, and did not add or correct any factual content in the article itself. However, please don't let this put off, but instead maybe try expressing your concerns on the article's talk page, and link to any supporting sources, if that would help you present a rationale argument for disagreeing with any content there. We really do welcome people with expertise in a subject if they can help improve encyclopaedic content, but it can take a few goes to understand how things work here. I realise it's never nice having one's contributions immediately removed, so I thought I'd drop by and explain to you why this was necessary in this instance. Kind regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:50, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

The direct answer to this user's question should have been to point them to the article talk page. They did not ask how to edit the page, they asked how to suggest a change. The user is clearly not 100% sure they are right (which they aren't) so shouldn't have been encouraged to edit the page directly. Talking about protected pages and edit requests is likely to just add confusion. The user doesn't need lessons in our arcane procedures, they just need to discuss their issue with someone. SpinningSpark 10:14, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

That's what I was thinking, @

casualdejekyll

19:14, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Wigwamiella article references

I want to know if these two references are able to be used for an article I'll be making about a possible trilobozoan. The sources are https://www.gbif.org/species/8532800 which I'll use for the author of the species, and https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/pdf/10.1098/rsfs.2019.0100 which I'll use for the actual information. Another source I found was https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Biostratinomy-of-frondose-organisms-in-the-Ediacara-Member-a-Aspidella-the-holdfast_fig1_342132470 but was just the diagram from the previous site. Rugoconites Tenuirugosus (talk) 16:26, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

@

WP:REDIRECT to that article and an expansion there might be appropriate, but not an article, as far as I can ascertain at a quick skim through. As I advised you previously, you need to be sure you're talking about genuine species not form taxa, and really, really understand the subject. The sources you cited are reliable for many things, but your interpretation of them does not appear to be so sound. Nick Moyes (talk

) 17:29, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Then Why is wigwamiella represented as a seperate creature in the photo for the trilobozoa article? (the blue dome-shaped thing with a foot). Rugoconites Tenuirugosus (talk) 16:26, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Because Wikipedia is not a reliable and up-to-date source of information. The drawing (not photo) was created in 2006, the article Droser1 et al. was published in 2020. Aleksey (Alnagov (talk) 18:05, 19 February 2022 (UTC))

@Rugoconites Tenuirugosus I agree with @Alnagov. That picture was created by another keen amateur, like yourself, and the editor who made it also published it on deviantart - hardly a scientific source. If I had my way, I would delete it. But it has already been used in many language wikis and I’m prepared to overlook that for now, but no more with the scratting around trying to extract obscure articles about things beyond your understanding. Nick Moyes (talk) 19:32, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Bebras Competition Creation

Hey everybody,

I am new to Wikipedia and want to create an article about the Bebras Competition, a CS competition with close to 3 million annual participants worldwide. I created a Draft for it with links to the website of the international umbrella organization of the 54 member countries, maintained by the University of Vilnius. I also linked the UK competition website, which is maintained by its national organizer, the University of Oxford and the US website which is maintained by the local Bebras organization.

Unfortunately, my draft was declined because I did not provide any outside sources. As this is a competition for middle and high schoolers, I am not entirely sure how outside info on the tournament is of any relevance, as this is not some hotly debated research topic, but an academic competition. Furthermore, the sources cited aren't some shady organizations with interest in gaining PR off of some Wikipedia article but reputable non profit bodies maintained be the likes of the oldest university in the Baltic states, namely Vilnius University, and the oldest English speaking institute of higher learning, the University of Oxford. (!).

Please give me advice on what to do. Here is the link to the article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Bebras_Computing_Competition

UPDATE: As I unfortunately couldn't figure out how to respond to other users comments yet, I will just put this here. I have reworked the draft and included a news article from a UK newspaper hosted on Yahoo News, an article from the MIT Admissons Blog and two independent studies about the competition. I hope this will get it approved! Thanks for the advice! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hashfrank (talk • contribs) 20:22, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks in advance Hashfrank (talk) 13:42, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

@

an article cannot be made. – AssumeGoodWraith (talk | contribs

) 13:48, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Bebras clearly exists as an international organization. What is absolutely necessary for a draft about Bebras to succeed is to have references that are independent from Bebras websites, as those are all considered primary. Wikipedia cares not for what an organization (or company) publishes about itself. See

WP:NORG. As AGW replied, unless there are reliable source references about Bebras, independent from Bebras, not going to happen. David notMD (talk

) 14:02, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

@Hashfrank: I concur with my colleagues above about sourcing, but I wouldn't despair too much about the possibility of finding them. For a competition that big, I'd expect there to be something, even if it's only a student newspaper writing about it happening at their school. Something like an article about the competition in a math educators journal would be ideal. If you come any possible sources you'd like to run by us, feel free to link them here. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 17:43, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

@Hashfrank: I'm not familiar with the Digital Careers website, so I don't know how notable it is, but here is an online source that may be of help to you: https://digitalcareers.csiro.au/en/Bebras. Also, if you search for "Bebras Competition" at Google Books (books.google.com) there are previews of several published sources (references) to use in your draft article that are independent of Bebras Competition. Best wishes on getting your draft article accepted. Karenthewriter (talk) 20:14, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanking

FYI

– Added section header. GoingBatty (talk) 17:56, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

How do I thank Royal Autumn Crest for the welcome? Mamestraconfigurata (talk) 17:51, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

@Mamestraconfigurata: Welcome to the Teahouse! On your talk page, click "Edit source". Underneath the welcome message, you can type:

:{{ping|Royal Autumn Crest}} Thank you! ~~~~

and then click the Publish changes button. The colon will indent your reply. The {{

Help:Introduction to talk pages. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk

) 18:01, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

@Maemstraconfigurata: Hey there, just chiming in with another way to do this. You can go to the revision history of your talk page and there will be a little 'thank' button located next to RAC's name. Click on that. I hope this helps :D Helen(💬📖) 19:18, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

@HelenDegenerate and Mamestraconfigurata: If you want to go even further, you can click the "Wikilove" button on the top-right, and send them a barnstar. Quick Quokka ^[talk] 21:40, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

UFO sightings

Rudolph wisc (talk) 22:28, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Rudolph wisc. Do you have a question about editing Wikipedia? Cullen328 (talk)

Press release citation

Can I add press release as a reference for citing a singer best---- work? Sweeto dweeto (talk) 20:37, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

No. See

casualdejekyll

21:05, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

- WP:PRIMARY source thus wouldn’t count to or be considered when ascertaining the notability status of a given article. Thus you are discouraged from optimizing them. Celestina007 (talk
  ) 23:14, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
  - Sweeto dweeto, if the topic is already established as notable, then a press release can be used for non-controversial things. An example is a corporation announcing a new CEO. A press release should never be used for an evaluative claim that something is the "best". Cullen328 (talk) 22:52, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

hey

Can I rename my username please? --ThisWikiIsEditedByIrresponsibleJerks (talk) 07:40, 19 February 2022 (UTC) ThisWikiIsEditedByIrresponsibleJerks (talk) 07:40, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

@

WP:RENAME then go to this section and follow the link which says Simple renames (confirmed email address required). --Jack Frost (talk

) 07:45, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Requested, can you check? --ThisWikiIsEditedByIrresponsibleJerks (talk) 07:52, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Please wait for some time; a user who has the rights to rename will respond shortly. Kpddg ^(talk ^• ^contribs) 07:58, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

I saw your contributions, but you have not seemed to put a request yet? Kpddg ^(talk ^• ^contribs) 07:59, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Change in heart? – AssumeGoodWraith (talk | contribs) 08:30, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

No, user has now been renamed to Vqd123. Kpddg ^(talk ^• ^contribs) 08:38, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

I’m blocked on Simple Wikipedia for this, thanks for helping me rename. --Vqd123 (talk) 17:34, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Update: And now your blocked here, too! Just one of many proven sockpuppets of User:DontSpreadMisinformationGuys. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:09, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: They pretty much said they would create more sockpuppets here. – AssumeGoodWraith (talk | contribs) 00:26, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Nothing we can do to prevent them. Yes we can disable their ability to create accounts, however they somehow still manage to create an account. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 00:28, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

@Blaze Wolf Well, providing it doesn't take me too much effort, I, for one, am quite happy to delete any pages created by a blocked editor or revert any edits made since they were first blocked. Sometimes that's the only way to show a repeat offender that, once found out, their time and effort here since evading that block will have been in vain. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:51, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

blocked due to open proxy now closed / want to practice by filling in random needs reference / safety questions

First, thank you for taking the time to help me, I am new. I have been blocked because I use a VPN, VPN now off, how do I get unblocked? Second, someplace there is a option to be sent/shown random needs reference articles, happy to do that, but I cannot find the link. Where is it? Third, I am nervous nervous about having my proxy address revealed. As a Jewish scholar, I am writing Jewish articles and I understand that gets antisemitic responses, some virulent. Do you have any suggestions on what I can do to insure my safety since VPNs aren't allowed? Thank you; Wikisigh (talk) 23:15, 19 February 2022 (UTC) Wikisigh (talk) 23:15, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

@

request an exemption. – AssumeGoodWraith (talk | contribs

) 23:17, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Just further clarifying: the IP of the VPN is blocked, not your account. Being on a blocked IP also means that you cannot edit from your account. – AssumeGoodWraith (talk | contribs) 23:18, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

@

checkusers) who could look it up if there was good reason). Generally speaking an IP address, especially a VPN address, is not the weakest link in any personal threat model. -- zzuuzz ^(talk)

23:54, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

May I have or where is the link to volunteer to fill in references on random articles that need them? Wikisigh (talk) 23:34, 19 February 2022 (UTC) Wikisigh (talk) 23:34, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

@Wikisigh: Welcome to the Teahouse! See the links at Category:Articles lacking sources and Category:Articles needing additional references. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 23:43, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

@Wikisigh If you're interested, English Wikipedia is at the moment rolling out a new Homepage feature for new editors like you who are using desktops to edit (but not mobiles). Right now, only 25% of new accounts get the Homepage tab enabled by default - it's right next to your Userpage tab. (If you can't see it, just go to Special:Preferences and, right at the bottom of that page, tick Display newcomer homepage and save the setting.

You will now have a new Homepage tab in which you are offered a set of articles to begin editing on, and which have been tagged for some form of improvement being needed. You can select which main subject areas you are offered to work on, as well as Easy, Medium, or Hard tasks to do. You even get randomly assigned a 'mentor' who has volunteered to answer any question you might have. Good luck with your very own

Wikipedia Adventure! Nick Moyes (talk

) 01:00, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Help with Improvements

Hello Fellow Teahouse Members I was Wondering if Some Improvements could be Done with List of Planetary Nebulas, I Noticed A Few Names Missing. Kuhn Alexander --2022-- DemonymsPlayer (talk) 11:43, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

@

Add it yourself. – AssumeGoodWraith (talk | contribs

) 11:50, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Googling "Kuhn Alexander nebula" produces no results. If you add it to the list you will be expected to provide a reliable source.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 12:03, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

I doubt very much that the user was suggesting that that is the name of a planetary nebula. SpinningSpark 12:44, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

@DemonymsPlayer Welcome to the Teahouse. Further to @AssumeGoodWraith's very curt response to you: if you aren't confident with your own skills in English, but would still like to see changes made, then feel free to post at the List Article's talk page and suggest what those changes ought to be, and why you feel they are needed. Nick Moyes (talk) 12:04, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Alexander Kuhn is my real name I was not recommended for Naming a Nebulae that.DemonymsPlayer (talk) 02:25, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Please I need help my article keeps getting declined

Oti (talk) 22:32, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello,

Referencing for beginners. Cullen328 (talk

) 22:37, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

At Draft:Daniel Chimezie Okeke, none of those https at the end count as references. All references are to be in the text, to verify facts in the text. David notMD (talk) 02:33, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Lawrence O'Bryan Branch

I believe I have Mr. Branch's Bowie knife but to be sure i need photos,is this something you can help me with? Thank you, Carol Seamans 74.221.75.125 (talk) 02:30, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Carol, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm really sorry, but this is not something we can help you with. The Teahouse is a forum to guide new users how to edit Wikipedia. It sounds like a Google search and an antiques expert are needed - not us. Kind regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 02:34, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Question

I was wondering if the articles of creation desk would allow any Nebulae that haven't been Added and i would be happy to add one --Alex-- DemonymsPlayer (talk) 02:17, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Lists of nebulae lists nebulae (Doh!). Are there nebulae without articles? David notMD (talk) 02:42, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

@DemonymsPlayer Not all astronomical objects are deemed notable, and thus would be worthy of a Wikipedia page. The criteria for this can be found at Wikipedia:Notability (astronomical objects). I'm afraid the AfC team can't suggest noteworthy articles for you to add.

However, you can find a list of 'required articles' at WP:WikiProject Astronomy, and here, too. Beware that just because somebody has suggested creating a particular article, doesn't necessarily mean it would be deemed 'notable'. It's up to you to find suitable sources with enough detail to merit creation of a new article. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 02:42, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Talk response

I was trying to make my user page recently and accidentally tried to make it an article, user:TimTrent denied it and told me that I shouldn't do that. I was wondering how I could apologize properly, I'm afraid that I'll do it wrong and annoy someone else Commadore Cundo (talk) 05:27, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Commadore Cundo, you have already made it. It's at Commadore Cundo. -- Hoary (talk) 05:30, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

That was when I tried it again the right way after the article got denied, I was moreover asking about how to respond or relay messages. Is this right by the way? Commadore Cundo (talk) 05:35, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Sorry, I misread your question. You didn't make an article; you made a draft: User:Commadore Cundo/sandbox/User:Commadore Cundo. Yes, creating it was a mistake. An apology is not necessary. It's polite to reply in some way to regular messages; however, the message you got was a reviewer's comment on a draft, and it's normal to respond to these comments by doing something or other, and not by replying to them. Just forget all about the matter, and six months from now it will be automatically deleted. But if you'd prefer to accelerate its deletion, set out to edit it, delete all its content, and save it with an edit summary such as "Blanking a draft that I created by mistake". This will result in a fairly quick deletion. -- Hoary (talk) 05:42, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Or just add {{db-g7}} to the top. – AssumeGoodWraith (talk | contribs) 06:00, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Yes, Commadore Cundo. Or indeed just say here, simply and clearly, that you want it deleted. (No apology needed!) -- Hoary (talk) 06:08, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for your help! Commadore Cundo (talk) 06:20, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Editorial Guidance

I've recently joined and started publishing on Wikipedia, although I'm not sure of the actual process of becoming a senior editor. Can anyone help me out with the process or any specific guide? — Preceding unsigned comment added by AustinMcCarthy001 (talk • contribs) 08:08, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi AustinMcCarthy001. There is no heirarchy of editors on Wikipedia and no official promotion system. Everyone is free to work on whatever they wish. But you can, if you want, find the most appropriate award at Wikipedia:Service awards and put it on your user page yourself. SpinningSpark 08:23, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Welcome to the Teahouse,

WP:UAL. You can also ask for access to the Wikipedia library to assist your Wiki-related research once you lave made 500 edits and been around for 6 months at least. Mike Turnbull (talk

) 08:25, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Good faith

What is good faith? 2603:8000:F400:FCEA:A01B:3072:D880:3FB8 (talk) 03:16, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi there! Good faith is when someone does something wrong, but you don't assume bad intentions. — Preceding

talk

) 03:19, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Good faith is the intention of doing good things, whether or not it was actually good. – AssumeGoodWraith (talk | contribs) 04:33, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

See WP:Assume good faith. --David Biddulph (talk) 03:50, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Also see Wikipedia:Competence is required --David notMD (talk) 08:52, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Is it possible to schedule when to move a page, and then for it to be done automatically on that date?

Telenor Bulgaria needs to be moved to Yettel Bulgaria exactly on 00:00, 2022-03-01. Quick Quokka ^[talk]

21:36, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

No??? Not that I know of, at least. Why does it need to be moved at exactly that time? We'd only use the new name if reliable sources are talking about it - see how

21:38, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

: Turkey isn't yet officially Türkiye. It plans to change its name in the near future, but it is still oficially "The Republic of Turkey", according to the UN.

Casualdejekyll

Telenor will officially become "Yettel" on 00:00 2022-03-01. Quick Quokka ^[talk] 21:51, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

We follow what

Reliable Sources

have called a subject, not what it calls itself. I suspect we would take that approach with countries just as we would with people who decide one day in the bathroom that they want to be called 'Ye' from now on. However, once a name is in established use (i.e. after some time), then an article name change would be OK.

However, providing there are reliable sources to confirm a future name change will happen, there is nothing to stop that new name being mentioned within an article, and also for a

WP:REDIRECT to be created to take users searching for the future name to the relevant article. Hope this makes sense. Nick Moyes (talk

) 22:14, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

QuickQuokka, the notion thst an article must be moved at a specific moment in time indicates that you have a misunderstanding of how Wikipedia works. We do not time the renaming of company articles to the wishes or whims of the corporation. Instead, we move such articles based on coverage of the new name in reliable sources that are independent of the corporation. Please read Wikipedia:There is no deadline. Cullen328 (talk) 06:19, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

@Cullen328: Thanks! I didn't know that, I'll keep it in mind for next time! QuickQuokka ^[talk] 09:17, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Blur image in article

Hello, I have a question. I have uploaded some high quality images in Wikipedia. Before adding these photos in any article, they are fine. But after adding in any infobox, the images are getting blur or of lower quality. Why does Wikipedia reduce quality of images after adding in infobox? How can I prevent this from happening? GoldenHayato (talk) 10:01, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

@GoldenHayato Can you give a couple of examples of articles where this happened? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:33, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

@

Vodafone Idea Limited. The logos have became little bit blur or of lower quality. Please check them. GoldenHayato (talk

) 11:04, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Afaict by the File: pages, the logos are as you uploaded them, not auto shrinking by bot, so I don't know what the problem may be. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:13, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

How to remove boxes with requests for citations etc after you have made the edits required

Hi, I'm working on the Rankin photographer wiki page, and there are 3 banner boxes with requests for changes in them - the changes were made ages ago but the requests still remain, you are supposed to be able to remove them but when I go in to edit them I don't see how - can anyone advise please? CujoJnr (talk) 11:26, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

You can open source editing mode and just remove {{

BLP unsourced section}}. However, you need to make sure the problems are indeed resolved before removing these templates. Anton.bersh (talk

) 11:32, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Rankin (photographer).--Shantavira|^{feed me} 11:31, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Article Title / Lemma
Otto Fried (Artist)

Hi everybody! I have a problem with an article title that I can't seem to wrap my head around. There's this new article I helped move about the contemporary german-american artist

Otto Fried (Artist). The only reason I had to add the parenthesis was, that there is an already existing article title Otto Fried, which weirdly enough and without any detectable reason redirects to the article Otto Fries. Is there anything I'm missing here? In my opinion it would be probably the best to get rid of that redirect and move the contemporary artist to the parenthesisless article name. In the german wikipedia where I'm mostly active I'd need to speedy delete the article Otto Fried before I can move the artist content there. Any suggestions or opinions here to this case? --Grizma (talk) 10:11, 20 February 2022 (UTC) Grizma (talk

) 10:11, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

@Grizma, my guess is that @Lugnuts created the redirect in 2007 because it could be helpful as a common misspelling. However, now I see no reason why your article shouldn't "have" it. I think you need an admin to do the deed correctly. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:08, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

@

Otto Fried (Artist) page to Otto Fried. @Grizma: Hope that's OK! Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me}

11:13, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Perfect you two, thanks a lot! Grizma (talk) 11:49, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

fed wup with ads

hey guys i just put this here bcos i cant seem to edit th main page. iused to use this site alot but i think iom goin g to have to stop using it now bcos of all the ads especiallythe really inappropriate onest bh. like im just browsing this site which i jnow by eleve year old son sometimes browses as well when hes at mty house and whenever i go onto a page i get like halg a dozebn pop up ads for porn completely blockngf my whole page and when i try to close them dsometimes thy just spawn even more! now i know ur run by voulenteers and i really really really appreciate that as uer creati g a really great free servcw for us an d i always loved this site and so did myson so money must be tight as i saw u asking for adonations before but pls pls pls plspls think about what ur doing!!! rthis is a site that kids use as well so its really no appropriate for porn adfs to pop up and completelt cover ur sceeen whenever ur on this iwki. hope wheover reads this has been thining what im thinking a its really not aceptanble idk if this is something the dmins decided on an d deceided to bn all discussion about LOL but im sure oyher ppl will h`ve thought its inappropriate too! peace and love x FedUpWithAds (talk) 03:58, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

wy is no one respondiong FedUpWithAds (talk) 04:26, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

@FedUpWithAds: Wikipedia does not have ads. Check your computer for malware. RudolfRed (talk) 04:50, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

FedUpWithAds, you have twice added your complaint about ads to the article Ptolemaic Kingdom (second occasion), which seems about as strange as your claim to have seen porn ads. But then you have also said: i trie to asdd a new section on tourism and tourist advie but someone deleted it hbcs i think bcos i didnt really add any content as TBH i had a few drinks. Sobriety is a key to the use of Wikipedia. -- Hoary (talk) 07:14, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Would also explain the poor spelling and grammar! Username142857 (talk) 16:01, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Just noting this user has been blocked. --Jack Frost (talk) 07:47, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Google news

Is google news a good source for referencing?---- Sweeto dweeto (talk) 17:19, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Sweeto dweeto Hello and welcome. Google News is an aggregator of sources, not a source itself. You can certainly use it to help find sources, but when writing a reference you should use the source itself, not Google News. 331dot (talk) 17:25, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello,

reliable source. For example, Google News may display articles from the Wall Steeet Journal, a generally reliable source, and it may also display articles from the Daily Mail, which is not a reliable source. You must use your own editorial judgment. Cullen328 (talk

) 17:29, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Is this subject notable?

I have a question regarding the notability of a subject. There is a company called SiberX. It isn't mentioned in any well-known places and I just wanted to make sure the company isn't notable enough to have an article created for it. Here is the company: https://www.siberx.org AAR007 (talk) 19:11, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

@

test that Wikipedia uses to decide whether or not to write an article goes like this: a subject is considered notable enough for an article if it has received significant coverage (so not just passing mentions-- we're talking large sections of prose) in multiple reliable sources independent of the subject. I hope this answers your question. If not, hop on my talk page and we'll sort it out. Have a wonderful day (or night), Helen(💬📖

) 19:53, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

How to send warning to editors after reversion

After I revert any edit how to let them know and warn the user?...

talk

20:42, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

In general, you should leave edit comment explaining your reason for revert. If you need to leave a warning, you can use any of existing templates, here are a few to choose from. Anton.bersh (talk) 20:56, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Along with Anton.bersh, you should try

storm28

23:02, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

You could also try

RW. ― Qwerfjkl talk

21:30, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

) 20:49, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

talk | contributions

So it would look like this.

talk | contributions

) 20:51, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Help with tables

Can you help me with Masked Singer Season 7? I'm not good at making tables yet. Can you show me the ropes? Agent K-Nova (talk) 14:48, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

@

The Masked Singer (American season 6)

may be a useful reference.

I will add, however, that it looks like

Bold, revert, discuss, the recommended next step would be to discuss with him on the talk page of the article, rather than just re-adding the table. Aerin17 (t • c

) 21:47, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Significant News Coverage

So I'm a bit confused here. My article draft has been rejected because it doesn't have significant news coverage even though I'm pretty sure it does. Can an admin or someone explain to me what I'm missing here? Thanks. Ibuprofenunlocked (talk) 22:24, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

@Ibuprofenunlocked, is this about Draft:Scrabdackle? Four of the five references are published by the game author, so they are not significant independent coverage. While the Kotaku article looks like an independent source, it does not actually talk about the game much. It is very uncommon for unreleased indie games to generate enough coverage for an article on Wikipedia. —Kusma (talk) 22:34, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Lawrence Devereaux recommended I reach out: Want to remove Templates

Dear Wikipedia,

Lawrence Devereaux recommended I reach out to ask about removing these 2 "templates": 1. This article...has been extensively edited by...someone connected to the subject... 2. This biographical article is written like a résumé. Please help improve it by revising it to be neutral and encyclopedic. (August 2021)

I've tried to revise it to be neutral and encyclopedic and add references, but it seems I've not done enough. Can someone please provide further guidance?

Thank you,

Gibson Armstrong GibsonArmstrong (talk) 22:13, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello Gibson Armstrong. Assuming you're talking about the article

WP:AUTO#IFEXIST

, so that an uninvolved editor can decide whether or not to apply the change you are requesting.

I also don't think the second notice should be removed at present either. I have removed the paragraph about appearing on a TV show saying something about a shooting: I don't see how that is encyclopaedic even if the reference cited mentioned this appearance, which it doesn't. I haven't looked any further. --ColinFine (talk) 23:25, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Bonnie Wright

I have a interview of her on You Tube where she says she had Irish Roman Catholic heritage but is on You Tube how do I out reference on her Wikipedia article? 78.152.205.167 (talk) 16:10, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

I'm afraid YouTube is not useful as a reference, If you can find something that is not user created (ie in mainstream media) then that will be very useful. Reading Help:Referencing for beginners will be of use to you then Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 16:13, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

It depends on the YT-video, see

WP:ABOUTSELF. You can use Template:Cite AV media. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk

) 16:55, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Courtesy: Bonnie Wright. Unless her grandmother is a Wikipedia-notable person, there is no value in adding such information. Parents, yes. Naming siblings, grandparents, children, no.David notMD (talk) 21:13, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Added by User:Rkunreal93 and reverted. David notMD (talk) 23:26, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Editing advice

I have written a major update to the entry for the National Centre for Australian Children's Literature. The previous entry is out of date as there has been significant structural changes to the organisaion as well as new events and information about services such as databases. Now I have never had any experience of writing for or dealing with Wikipedia previously and I have found it a very frusrating experience. When I look for or read any of the help or procedure pages I find the language/terminology used confusing and unhelpful. I have tried to find someone who has experience to help but without success. I transferred what I had written to a sandbox and with fearfully hit the publish page button. An editor has gotten back to me to, very unhelpfully imply that what I have written is not objective or balanced, that there is a problem with my user name and, that as I work for the organisation (as a volunteer I might add) I shouldn't be writing it. I wasn't actually given examples of what the issues were with the entry, or told what was wrong with my user name and how to correct it or how anyone not involved with an organisation could write about it.

So how about some genuinely helpful editing advice? Ruth Nitschke (talk) 22:55, 20 February 2022 (UTC) Ruth Nitschke (talk) 22:55, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Fine, then. CliffsNotes for you:

You have a conflict of interest because you volunteer for the NCACL. At best your goals (Improving the exposure of the NCACL) and ours (a neutrally-written encyclopaedia project) dovetail.
Because you have a conflict of interest, your view of what is neutral is skewed in favour of NCACL, and this shows in what you have written.
Wikipedia has a lot of jargon, which I'll take the opportunity to try and explain as I go on.
Your draft/userpage, as it is presently written, is promotional (i.e. it is written to "pretty up" or otherwise promote the organisation).
We do not include visions, objectives, mission statements, or any other bloviating crap the company defines itself with, as content like this is always going to be both promotional in tone and unencyclopaedic on its face. We are an encyclopaedia project, not a billboard.
Your footnotes are all nonfunctional, which gives the impression you copy-pasted this from somewhere (likely a now-deleted Wikipedia draft, since the copyvio check comes back clean). See
routine coverage of the organisation
, and (4) discusses the organisation at some length in the source itself.)
The "Collections" section is promotional in tone and would almost certainly need to be heavily edited or (more likely) removed outright. (As an aside, you create sections by using equals signs, i.e. ==(title)==. 2 is standard, more means subsections.)
The "Artworks" section has the exact same issues as the section immediately above - it's unambiguously promotional. The remedy is the exact same - rewrite it wholesale or remove it entirely. The same applies to the "Accessing and Sharing the Collection", "Exhibitions and Seminars", "Publications", and "Access" sections.
The "Funding" section needs removed outright. As a rule, funding is generally not considered to be a particularly noteworthy part of any organisation's article, being dispensed with in a sentence or two if at all, and any news with regards to funding is considered routine. There are exceptions, but they generally do not apply here (i.e. being funded by laundered money or being the charity arm of a for-profit organisation, cf. Ronald McDonald House Charities before their divorce from McDonald's).
The "Volunteers" section needs removed outright as irrelevant.

For further information, I suggest having a look at

WP:PSCOI. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano}

23:28, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Add to this that you have put your draft on your User page, which is exactly a wrong place. Expect it to be Speedy deleted very soon. If you can get to it in time, cut from there and park at your Sandbox. Your refs are not refs, i.e., superscripting a number does not create a ref. David notMD (talk) 23:38, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

FYI: The existing article is at National Centre for Australian Children's Literature. David notMD (talk) 23:42, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Draft Approval

Hi, I have been working on a Wikipedia page draft and would like to ask if it would be approved if submitted. The draft has been rejected once before and the advice provided was as follows:

Comment: Most information isn't sourced with inline citations, and therefore the information cannot be verified. Some parts aren't written with a neutral point of view. Clearfrienda 💬 23:51, 24 July 2021 (UTC) Comment: Fix close rephrasing [1] TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 02:55, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

I have corrected these issues as best I can and would like someone to have a look over the draft to see if the issues have been fixed properly. If there are still problems, could you please let me know what I need to change specifically? Here is the link to the draft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Australian_Leadership_Index

Thank you. Leadership scholar (talk) 23:31, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

@

WP:REFB

I hope you find the comment helpful

Please feel free to submit for a further review when ready. I have been unable to see past the state it is in at present Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 23:36, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi, thank you for your reply. While I am here editing and fixing that up, is there anything else that requires adjusting? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leadership scholar (talk • contribs) 23:53, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

@Leadership scholar As I said, I could not see past the state you left it in. Once you have corrected it then we wil be able to see what is truly present. You are engaged in an iterative process.

As an aside, please use more care when replying to messages. I had to disentangle your message from my own. Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 00:03, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi, sorry I am not very familiar with using this platform for replying etc. I understand, I have finished editing now so if you could please have a look over the current version that would be great. Thank you for your help.Leadership scholar (talk) 00:06, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

@Leadership scholar if you submit it for review (if you have not done so already) another reviewer will look at it in due course. It is a very rare thing for me to review a draft more than once. Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 00:28, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

OK, I have not submitted it for review yet. If it is rejected again will it get deleted? I was a bit hesitant to submit because I wanted to make sure that I avoid deletion as much as possible. Leadership scholar (talk) 00:32, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

@Leadership scholar The review process is iterative. Your draft has not been rejected, but it has been declined. The difference seems subtle, but is real. Rejection is as near final as it gets, but is a thing to be used rarely by a reviewer. Being declined means it has been pushed back to you for further work. Note that you may ask a reviewer who reviews your draft to explain their review if you find it awkward to understand.

There is no real limit to the number of times a draft may be submitted. It does need to show improvement between submissions, though. Reviewers are human! Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 00:39, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

Change image from non-free to free

Hello, I have seen some images, in which it is written that this image is of fair use. But some of those are actually in the public domain because they are too simple. How can I change those images from non-free to free (fair use to public domain)? Should I re-upload those images? Thank you. GoldenHayato (talk) 03:13, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

If the files don't exceed the

WP:MTC.

Bsoyka (talk · contribs

) 04:13, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi GoldenHayato. It's sometimes a good idea to be careful with this kind of thing because the concept of threshold of originality (i.e. being "too simple for copyright protection") can vary quite a bit from country to country as explained in c:Commons:Threshold of originality. Some countries (like the UK, for example) have quite a low threshold of originality in comparison to others. Since Commons doesn't accept any type of fair use content as explainedin c:Commons:Fair use, logo files (in particular) often end up being deleted from Commons when an administrator feels the logo is too complex to be public domain and there's no way to verify that copyright holder of the logo has otherwise released it under a free license that Commons accepts. It might be a good idea for you to ask at c:Commons:Village pump/Copyright about any logos you think are too simple before moving them to Commons just to see what some others might think. Lots of files that are moved to Commons with the best of intentions do eventually end up being deleted because they're not considered acceptable for Commons for one reason or another. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:23, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

reliable and independent sources = example

Courtesy link: Draft:Priyanka chahar choudhary

hey i made a submission but it declined and it says not notable .can someone please give me example of reliable and independent references please .thank you in advance Akb bhatia (talk) 16:58, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources which says The Times of India is considered to have a reliability between no consensus and generally unreliable. Theroadislong (talk) 17:11, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

@

Apmh

17:15, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

You will also need to explain how it is different from the version that was deleted here Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Priyanka Choudhary. Theroadislong (talk) 17:28, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Theroadislong hey can you please tell that India today source is reliable or not

@

Apmh

18:25, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Theroadislong and pinkvilla , india forum ,tellychakkar any one of these — Preceding unsigned comment added by Akb bhatia (talk • contribs) 07:46, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Permission needed. Can I work on the subject? I am a movie addict. Hope I can work with Wiki rules if I get permission to do so.--Priya Ragini (talk) 03:49, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

@Priya Ragini: You don't need permission to improve a draft. However, you could post at Draft talk:Priyanka chahar choudhary or User talk:Akb bhatia if you want to discuss your ideas for improving the draft. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 05:02, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

How does a registered user become an administrator?

How does a user that is logged in become a administrator? Are there any possible ways for them? 2603:8000:F400:FCEA:813F:2FE7:825D:2582 (talk) 19:14, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi there @

RFA, where the community votes to decide whether the nominee should be given the administrator tools. If this was clear as mud, feel free to pop me a message on my talk page and I'll try to explain it better. Happy editing! Helen(💬📖

) 19:39, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

You may want to read Becoming an Administrator in Wikipedia:Administrators. Karenthewriter (talk) 19:45, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Be advised that you can do the vast majority of things on Wikipedia without being an adminstrator(you can do many without even having an account as well, though not as much) and that administrators have no more authority than any other editor. 331dot (talk) 20:45, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

They just have mandatory chores. David notMD (talk) 21:10, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

@David notMD: What activities are "mandatory chores" for an administrator? GoingBatty (talk) 05:10, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

What to do after a level 4 warning is given

This is hypothetical, but if someone gets 4 vandalism warnings in a month, and vandalizes again, what happens to that user?

talk | contributions

) 20:56, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Assuming level 4 warning was justified (and not given on a personal whim of another user), the receiving user is considered "sufficiently warned". When another user spots further vandalism, that user can report this vandalism to admins who then evaluate the actions of the vandal. Then most of the time vandal gets banned. Anton.bersh (talk) 21:00, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Banning policy. Also, note that some bans are temporary (have a set time duration), some are indefinite (have no set end time, but can be appealed) and only some bans are truly permanent. Unfortunately, that's all I know, since I never was involved in ban enforcement, most of the time I managed to convince vandals to stop by engaging with them on Talk pages. Anton.bersh (talk

) 21:10, 20 February 2022 (UTC)