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Userfy request

I would like to move the contents of the deleted page

WP:N at this time, and I had no connection to the article until after the AfD began. Colincbn (talk
) 06:09, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

 Done, now at ) 06:12, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

As the closing administrator in

Timeline of Asimov's Foundation Series to be kept even though that was not supported in the AfD. Jfgslo (talk
) 15:07, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

I suggest a content based RFC to take place at the talk page, to assess community consensus. -- Cirt (talk) 18:05, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
At the talk page of
Timeline of Asimov's Foundation Series or Foundation series? Also, I'm a little confused, could you give me an example of what you mean with content based? Jfgslo (talk
) 18:57, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
At the talk page of the 1st one, and please read ) 19:06, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
I read about RfC. What I'm confused with content based is the sense in which you used it. That is, as I understood it originally, I would place this same question in the RfC (whether merging the whole timeline is supported by the AfD outcome in the terms that I expressed above), but, when I re-read content based, I thought that you perhaps meant that it should be a different type of question. Jfgslo (talk) 19:18, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
Nothing significant, just that it would be an RFC that concerns the content of the page, as opposed to, say, for example, behavior of individuals in editing that selfsame page. Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 23:35, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

I think that the outcome of this AfD should be "redirect, no consensus between deleting or merging", not simply no consensus. You should review the outcome of WT:Articles for deletion/Archive 61#RfC: Merge, redirect, which differed from your interpretation. There are now two merge discussions: Talk:Foundation series#Timeline of Asimov's Foundation Series merge discussion. and Talk:Timeline of Asimov's Foundation Series#RfC: merging as outcome of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Timeline of Asimov's Foundation Series. Flatscan (talk) 04:26, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Probably the one that is in the format of an RFC should be the main discussion, not the other one. -- Cirt (talk) 04:28, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Looking at the history of that article, I'm seeing large numbers of constructive IP edits, and little vandalism. Could you perhaps reconsider your protection, or point me to the disruption you saw? The RFPP seemed only to cite hypothetical problems. Thanks, Prodego talk 18:40, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

 Done, dropped down to only one day of semi. -- Cirt (talk) 18:41, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
Is even that necessary? Prodego talk 18:45, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
Sure, just wait 24 hours and it will be done and over. -- Cirt (talk) 18:52, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Dan Savage

Hey Cirt - you're always one of those people I'm glad to still see around the Wiki.

This was a good read. Haha - I'm glad you included this bit because it gave me a laugh: Savage stated to Keck that he could contribute a weekly advice column with the recommended title of "Hey, Faggot", and this was later modified to become "Savage Love". I still think "Hey, Faggot" would make a good sex/relationship advice column - I'm surprised nobody's snapped that one up. --David Shankbone
22:15, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Thank you so much for the kind words about my new article creation on Wikipedia. I really appreciate it. A lot. Thanks again, -- Cirt (talk) 23:34, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
Meh - you don't get thanked enough for your contributions, but who on the wiki does, right? --David Shankbone 01:36, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
Indeed ... -- Cirt (talk) 01:41, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

ANI

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.Sadads (talk) 22:20, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for the notice. -- Cirt (talk) 23:35, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Nice work! Good to see an article get expanded like that. No big changes, I added a minor clause, just wanted to say thanks and keep it up. Meelar (talk) 23:33, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Thank you, Meelar, for the very kind words about my attempts to improve the quality of an article about a book on Wikipedia. Thank you very much. I really appreciate that. Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 23:34, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Hey Cirt, can you userfy this for me? I have a book from the library now. Best if I don't use admin actions myself on articles I am involved with. cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:20, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

 Done, now at User:Casliber/Terry (Fawlty Towers). -- Cirt (talk) 02:25, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
thanks! Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:26, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Hi Cirt, I just want to know whether a publisher such as Prentice Hall can be considered as reliable source for showing the work of an author? A page on Prentice Hall SO Computing shows the books authored by Thomas Erl and his books were one of the highest rated on Amazon. The link is not owned by the author and hence can be considered an external source. Your inputs will be helpful. Edited by Sanjay (talk) 03:59, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

More secondary sources than just the one would be more appropriate. -- Cirt (talk) 04:16, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
Hi Cirt, an interview with Thomas can be found at Interview and Book Expert. His latest article is on MSDN Magazine. Most of his past articles or interview are present on SOA World Magazine. Also he is contibuting author of SOA Manifesto. Currently he is part of a committee involved in creating SOA Maturity Model. My goal is to contribute the right information to wikipedia and any inputs, comments from admins like you is going to help me in improving the content. Appreciate your help. Edited by Sanjay (talk) 08:11, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

I would be more than happy to userfy the article for you, so you can work on it in a subpage of your userspace, to attempt to demonstrate notability. -- Cirt (talk) 08:13, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Hi Cirt, the article was restored on 25th and it was mentioned that I had 7 days to update and put my points. In that case, can I have the article restored so that I can edit it with more appropriate content. After a week, it could be reviewed again and then we can decide whether to keep it in main space or user namespace. Thanks. Edited by Sanjay (talk) 09:13, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

 Done, now at

User:Edited by Sanjay/Thomas Erl. You can work on it there. -- Cirt (talk
) 09:16, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Hi Cirt, I wanted the article to be moved to main namespace (as it was restored on 25th) so that I can work on it for 7 days on the main page and if still there would be any issue, it can be moved to user namespace. Edited by Sanjay (talk) 09:38, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Deletion of Jonathan Stephen

I was wondering if you could explain why you deleted this article and said there was consensus when the clearest I could see was an even split in commenting editors. I might also note that at least one editor who has previously said "delete" changed their mind after seeing the additional sources. Where was the consensus clear? To me there were enough sources for this to meet WP:Notability, therefore what criteria were you going off of in this decision? I would have thought at the very least that the "rosh yeshiva" argument noted by Agricola would be enough to keep Stephen, not to mention the numerous references which were updated by other editors. Fountainviewkid 10:18, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

I am equally puzzled by this deletion, especially by your assertion that "Consensus was clear." I contributed heavily to both the article and the discussion and continue to think that the head of an institution (a Bible College) that has been granting the PhD , and Dr. of Divinity degree for decades and that continues to confer doctorates ever year to students who come to study here from other countries is WP:N by definition. Many graduate schools are small. That does not make them influential or their heads not notable. But back to the idea that "Consensus was clear." There were six editors arguing to keep the article. Six arguing that it should be deleted and one
Wales Evangelical School of Theology for deletion [1], and who recently wasted the time of a lot of editors arguing for the deletion of College Church here [2]; as the next editor to work on the page noted, that "article was rescued from a pointless deletion" [3]. That "pointless" AFD was started by an editor User:BelloWello who was recently blocked indefinitely, then allowed to resume editing despite a record of disruptive behavior, foul language, personal attacks on other editors and sock puppetry. I suppose there were reasons for unblocking him, but I cannot have much respect for his opinions. I think that deleting this article is a waste of useful information on a notable Christian leader. It also reinforces the view that is now widespread in the Christian community that Wikipedia is dominated by aggressively anti-Christian editors. The proper action would be to reinstate the article and hang a needs improvement tag.I.Casaubon (talk
) 16:07, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
For your convenience, here is the changed vote by User:Coyets "I have removed my 'delete' opinion because of the various references listed by Fountainviewkid, the reference from the Bible League Trust certainly displays third party coverage of the subject, but the other references which are not merely trivial mentions are from religious organisations which I find difficult to tell whether they are third party sources or not. However, the Wales Online and Evangelical Times references from I:Casaubon also seem to be third party coverage confirming the subject's notability. Unfortunately, I could not find an interview on the BBC, and the BBC's inclusion of the subject on a panel for a talk show does not confirm or deny notability. However, the Get Surrey reports are on the subject's campaign to free Ian Stillman, and that, together with the other references I have mentioned, probably amounts to just enough notability for an article. Coyets (talk) 16:23, 25 May 2011 (UTC)"

There was consensus at

WP:NOTE through improvements to the page - if someone wishes to request me to do that. -- Cirt (talk
) 16:27, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Are you refusing my offer to provide the article for you in userspace in someone's userspace subpage? -- Cirt (talk) 17:08, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
I am asking how you understand the discussion as having reaches consensus. I.Casaubon (talk) 17:23, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
I am sorry
you did not like the outcome of the assessed consensus. But that is not a reason to outright refuse to be given an opportunity to work on the quality of the material, before it returns to article mainspace. -- Cirt (talk
) 17:33, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
If would be helpful if the deleting editor could actually demonstrate some evidence of consensus rather than evade the question. All we ask is some evidence of a "consensus". It looks possible that this was done under less than satisfactory terms. Fountainviewkid 17:40, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
It was not the strongest consensus, but a weak consensus to delete. But I do not wish to have my talk page as a forum for re-arguing the AFD. Please take the offer to improve the page in userspace. If it looks satisfactory, we can even move it back to mainspace soon. -- Cirt (talk) 17:42, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
I saw the discussion, and consensus was clearly for deletion. What we had on one side was the usual "I like it" arguments outnumbered by those who evaluated it against our notability policies and supported deletion. Instead of arguing about deletion, create an article that would survive deletion, if possible.
W
17:43, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
Again, with respect, having reviewed the discussion, I didn't see any "keep" arguments based on "I like it" - they generally were suggesting that the subject is notable. I'd also suggest that a "weak consensus" is actually "no consensus".
talk
) 07:31, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Cirt, I.Casaubon is asking you how you reached your decision. To allow him to understand how you weighed the various arguments, would you append an extended closing rationale at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jonathan Stephen? Would you explain how you analyzed the policies and guidelines referenced in the discussion and the strengths/weaknesses of the "keep" and "delete" rationales. At the end of the AfD, I.Casaubon wrote: "I have just added four Korean newspaper accounts, all from google news in 2011." These sources were not rebutted by the "delete" side. Because the sources had already been added to the article at the time of the close, I.Casaubon is wondering why the article should be userfied. The article, in his opinion, has been sufficiently sourced by at least four additional reliable sources. This opinion has yet to be countered. Cunard (talk) 17:45, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

 Done. I restored the page. I relisted it. It is back at AFD for more discussion. Another admin can close it later. Have fun. -- Cirt (talk) 17:48, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

THANKS! That was rather honorable. Fountainviewkid 17:48, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

You are welcome. Thank you for stating so. :) -- Cirt (talk) 17:49, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Thank you, Cirt, for relisting the page. I will contact some users who can read Korean to assess the reliability and depth of the sources. Cunard (talk) 17:52, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Oh, you're welcome. :) -- Cirt (talk) 17:53, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
Thank you Cirt. And Thank you Cunard for contacting Koreans. I used the same opaque (to non-Korean speakers) pages at
Wales Evangelical School of Theology and would like to have both pages be accurate.I.Casaubon (talk
) 17:56, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

As someone who has contributed to the article and the AfD discussion, I was concerned by your deletion of it. I've just reviewed the discussion and the votes appear to be split approx 50/50, which I would describe as "no consensus", a view which others share. I note that you haven't offered any evidence to argue otherwise. I'd respectfully suggest that your deletion was unjustified and I'm pleased that you've reversed it. I wouldn't claim to be an expert on these matters, but I think deleting an article where there is no clear consensus to do so is against policy and, I'd respectfully ask that you refrain from such actions in the future. Thanks.

talk
) 07:23, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Swamp Thing Set

Would you mind adding a comment to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Swamp Thing Set with some additional information about why it was relisted, what you saw missing from the discussion?--RadioFan (talk) 11:20, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

 Done! -- Cirt (talk) 16:25, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
Thanks! I think we are close, prehaps participants just need to clarify their positions. Please consider closing it after things are clearer rather than wait another week.--RadioFan (talk) 17:17, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
You are most welcome. ;) -- Cirt (talk) 17:18, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Cirt good morning, can you please explain this deletion? I clearly explained how he satisfies NFOOTY, and I also tried to bring sources that he satisfies GNG. What else should one do to avoid these deletions that go against wiki policies? Phil Bridger's comment was on the weakness of NFOOTY. Does that mean that we should disregard it now, since it's weak? --Doktor Plumbi (talk) 11:41, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Consensus was determined at
WP:NOTE - if you so request it. -- Cirt (talk
) 16:22, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
Thank you. Please do and let me know. There are sources on him every day.--Doktor Plumbi (talk) 17:45, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

 Done, now at User:Doktor Plumbi/Armando Vajushi. -- Cirt (talk) 05:16, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Barnstar

The Working Wikipedian's Barnstar
For all your great admin work. Jsayre64 (talk) 17:35, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
Wow, thank you! :) -- Cirt (talk) 17:35, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Harmon Leon Wikipedia Page

Can I find out why the wikipedia page for Harmon Leon was deleted? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Harmonleon (talkcontribs) 18:15, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Please read
WP:AFD, it was deleted after discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Harmon Leon. -- Cirt (talk
) 18:22, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Flygrossing

Mr. Cirt,

You have just deleted a wikipedia page about Flygrossing. What is sad for me is the fact that rather than being an international portal of information, as the Internet should be, with different languages..... The fact that some editors could not read the articles in common european languages like Italian or some other languages, like Russian and Estonian, is being ignored. Yet - true, Fly grossing is a new "subject" but the whole idea was to help more people have access to this information world wide and share with them a new "creation" development. Still......on Wikipedia I can find lots of words of vulgarism, is it because there are more articles about it?

Sorry - for writing it to you like that - and I do respect your point of view and wikipedia is highly regarded as a source of information. As such - I did not expect it to be deleted. Ranarthurbraun (talk) 21:20, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

I would be more than happy to userfy the article for you, so you can work on it in a subpage of your userspace, to attempt to demonstrate notability. -- Cirt (talk) 05:15, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

You may be interested in this AFD

List of Bratz products is up for its second deletion nomination here. You took part in the first one so I thought you might be interested. Ryan Vesey (talk) 03:15, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Looks like it closed, as delete. -- Cirt (talk) 20:58, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Sorry to bother you

Hello, Cirt. You have new messages at Skol fir's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

I will never bother you again, sorry. Toddst1 told me to contact you if he was not available, but I guess I made a boo-boo. :-( --Skol fir (talk) 06:22, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Redirects and deletions

Hi Cirt,

After AfD discussions, you deleted two articles, Faded horizon and James Craig Author. During the AfD discussion, each article was also redirected by other editors. Could you please also delete the final destination articles, Faded Horizon ‎and James Craig (author)‎? Thanks, WWGB (talk) 07:03, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

 Done. -- Cirt (talk) 07:14, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

special request

You added semiprotection to Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa. I have looked to find the specific request made, but can not find an archive availability on Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. In any case, there were no violations of any substantial WP policy, the reasons given by Tenebrae on Talk:Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa are all false: 1) CN insertions were removed because the citations were already there, in the article text. The talk page and hidden text pointed this out. 2)His claim of an unsourced fact is simply false, he didn’t look at the reference given, and he was uncivil in attacking the IP editor who had referenced it.

I don’t care and am not requesting unprotection of this page, but your action in approving the protection is being cited by Tenebrae as validation of his claims, and he has escalated this dispute. Tenebrae clearly has a bias against IP editors, and the revision history shows vandalism, as defined by WP; I will be documenting this.

Could you please carefully consult Talk:Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa and the revision history and re-evaluate your decision to protect? Boringbob4wk (talk) 13:19, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

I'm sorry you've been dragged into this, but
Wikipedia:Wikiquette alerts#Re: Unwarranted Accusations by Boringbob4wk
, he has made slanderous and unwarranted accusations of vandalism against me, and compounds this by making a highly personal claim of bias. As you know, I gave a descriptive list of the types of non-guideline, non-format, promotional-tone things that the anon IP was doing. I honestly suspect he and anon IP are one and the same, and will be making my case at Sockpuppet Investigations.
This editor has gone so far as to slander me on another editor's page, here. I am hoping the Wiki Etiquette-alert editors will have a word with him. With thanks for your understanding, --Tenebrae (talk) 17:46, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
(edit conflict)
Crit, as a heads up: See
Wikipedia:Wikiquette alerts#Re: Unwarranted Accusations by Boringbob4wk as it's fresh background to this. - J Greb (talk
) 18:00, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Seems like a matter for

) 21:01, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

I did not mean to attack or malign anyone in my above request, and did not slander anyone at the editor’s page to whom I was trying to be courteous because I had been unable to save their edits. I did not anticipate this malicious harassment and false information given to admins. How will RFPP stop that? ANI seems inapplicable as it is about repeat violators; I thought I was following policy by making a warning so it wouldn’t happen again. Right now I am simply looking for information. I assumed that a routine request for protection was not given much time or thought, but a certain other party is claiming you made a thorough evaluation. Note that I am not implying here that false statements that might have been made in the request you handled were not in good faith, I am simply asking whether you considered the statements you received as to veracity. (I examined very carefully the criterion for vandalization, and that which occurred at 14:41, 26 May 2011, deletion based on identity of prior editor, was not in good faith and will be addressed at Wikipedia:Wikiquette_alerts when I am granted access and have time.)
1. Is there a way to retrieve archived completed requests for protection?
2. When you acted, did you consider that the comment “adding personal details that DO NOT appear in the cited source” was because he looked at a different source, not the reference given?
3. When you acted, did you consult the talk page and note that “guideline violations” that might have been mentioned were the removal of “citation needed” when the citation was already present, and the refusal to allow a citation to remain as a reference for a fact for which it was not a reference, and other trivial things?
I simply want these answers, if you could. 69.72.27.107 (talk) 10:09, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Request for NPOV review

Note: Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view/Noticeboard#Request_for_NPOV_review [4]. -- Cirt (talk) 18:19, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

  • Specific notices to WikiProject talkpages, subsets from above list:
  1. Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Politics [5]
  2. Wikipedia talk:WikiProject United States [6]
  3. Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Film [7]
  4. Wikipedia talk:WikiProject New York [8]
  5. Wikipedia talk:WikiProject California [9]
  6. Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography/Politics and government [10]
  7. Wikipedia talk:WikiProject LGBT studies [11]
  8. Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Companies [12]
  9. Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Islam [13]
  10. Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Religion [14]

-- Cirt (talk) 21:00, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Small favour

Dear Cirt, I really admire your work on books and FAs. I am trying to work on the redlinks that you added at Madonna (book) which you reviewed. I just wanted your opinion on "Born This Way (song)". I have worked on it for long. What do you think are its chances in GA and maybe later FAC? Would you also like to copy-edit it if you have free time? Thanks, — Legolas (talk2me) 07:04, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. Would you mind just copy-editing it a bit when you get time? — Legolas (talk2me) 07:09, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
Umm, okay. Time for a little secret. :) I used to work for
about this. A very funny man in real life, contrary to popular belief. It swonderful what you are doing with his work. Love is actually my favourite. :) — Legolas (talk2me)
07:17, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
Not a problem. If you are stuck anywhere, please holla! I'm good at finding sources from printed media. — Legolas (talk2me) 07:25, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
Noted. I will look in the library and keep you updated. :) — Legolas (talk2me) 07:30, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
Wow, great work. Hey I was wondering if you would like
Nielsen BookScan info for the actual selling of the books. They are published in their year-end articles on books by The New York Times. — Legolas (talk2me)
09:28, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
Umm, you have ten hands or something? Lol, I will give you some stuff I found. Just gimme some minutes. — Legolas (talk2me) 05:13, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

For It Gets Better: Coming Out, Overcoming Bullying, and Creating a Life Worth Living

  • Miami Herald: Steve Rothaus Sex columnist Dan Savage reaches out to gay youth. p. 2. May 25, 2011. "Talks about impact on the homosexual community. 'He talks past all the bull and gets to the point. That’s why people listen to him,” says Brandon Campbell, a gay 18-year-old from Kendall who heard Savage at FIU. It’s inspiring. It’s about time. With all the media and society that looks down on this community …we need someone to tell everyone it gets better. Savage launched his campaign last fall after Justin Aaberg, 15, hanged himself in Minnesota and Billy Lucas, also 15, hanged himself two months later in Indiana. I was just stewing on the kids, and the reaction you always have as a gay adult is ‘I wish I could have talked to that kid,’ to have been able to tell him it gets better. When a 15-year-old or a 13-year-old kills himself because he is gay, what he’s saying is that he can’t picture a future with enough joy in it to compensate for the pain he’s in now, to make enduring this and getting through it worth it."
  • The Atlantic: Sady Doyle, October 7, 2010, Impact on gay teens
  • Delaware News: Talking about how a bullied teenager graduated and found inspiration in the book
  • News 8: Jennifer Bixler, March 31, 2011. "Support cuts suicide risk in GLB teens"
  • The New York Times: Pareles, Jon (2011-04-25). "A new direction and hope for all". 2344 (87): 22. SAvage's book It Gets Better, which sold an estimated 24,000 copies, has been heralded... {{cite journal}}: Cite journal requires |journal= (help)

These are about this book. Hope you find them useful. — Legolas (talk2me) 05:28, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

No problem. I will keep you posted as soon as I find them. — Legolas (talk2me) 05:35, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Request

I'm requesting you un-lock, or at least just Semi-protect Template:Williams Street, as there has been no real extensive vandalism or issues with it.

Grapesoda22 (talk) 23:26, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

 Done. -- Cirt (talk) 00:47, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
Thank you Grapesoda22 (talk) 01:03, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
You are welcome! ;) -- Cirt (talk) 01:50, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Need advice before I get really angry...

I am in a dispute with Icex15 (talk · contribs). He is driving me nuts with his stupid behaviour. He started yesterday with editing on WP, good enough to start immediately with an editwar and 24 hours block. Now he is back and haunting me over a rude remark (polite version: I told him to start using his brain) that was already removed by another admin. I gave him advice over how to sign his edits on talkpages (no effect), over the mentoring project (no effect) and to read the information in the welcoming template (plain refused). He is getting under my skin...
Effected pages:

Revision history of Columbidae: 9 reverts, no discussion
Revision history of User talk:Night of the Big Wind
Revision history of User talk:Icex15
User contributions ICex15

By now I get the idea that is a plain vandal or worse, a troll.
This goes straight out of hand, so I need your help/advice. Please!

talk
) 02:39, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Perhaps you might start with
WP:THIRD. -- Cirt (talk
) 02:40, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
I will try the first one. Thanks for the advice.
talk
) 02:44, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
You are welcome. -- Cirt (talk) 02:46, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Yellow-crowned Bishop

Tks for the review at DYK of this. Someone proposed an alt, can you take a look? Tks. BarkingMoon (talk) 10:34, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Cirt. You have new messages at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Mare96#30_May_2011.
Message added 15:26, 30 May 2011 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

As you blocked main account, just wanted to let you know. WhiteWriter speaks 15:26, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Note to self, Macwhiz analysis

[15] followed by [16]. -- Cirt (talk) 16:43, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Protection question

Really? That doesn't seem extreme enough to require protection to me? I'm sort of surprised that with only three edits in the last three days, you felt like that needed to be protected. I'm not asking you to change it, but wondering if I'm out of calibration with the community on this. - Philippe 16:47, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

 Done, dropped down to one day of semi, we'll try that and see how it goes for now. -- Cirt (talk) 16:50, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Question

I just had a quick question, I didn't really know were to ask it, so I asked here.

Let's Fish
is a stand-alone pilot, which was intended to be a series, but wasn't picked up. Let's Fish is also an English-language American comedy, which features a strong mixture of live action and animation.

Would it properly fit into the following categories, even though it ended up just being a pilot and not a full "series"?

Category:English-language television series, Category:American comedy television series, Category:Television series with live action and animation

If this was the wrong place to ask, then please tell were should I ask. Grapesoda22 (talk) 18:35, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

You could best ask at
WT:TV. -- Cirt (talk
) 21:34, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
Alright, thanks again, Cirt Grapesoda22 (talk) 22:19, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
You are most welcome! :) -- Cirt (talk) 03:42, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

MoviesPlanet deletion

Hello, I wrote the moviesplanet article and was amazed to see it was deleted. I added to the MP article several third party sources and I don't understand what was wrong with my article. I want to subbmit it again, please let me know what can I do to make it better (I admit, I'm a newbie, so am more than welcomed to get tips). Thanks. Orlydumitrescu (talk) 07:13, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

I would be most willing to userfy it for you, so that you can work on improving the sourcing and quality of the article so as to make an argument for its notability, if you wish to do so. -- Cirt (talk) 07:14, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
I would love to! Orlydumitrescu (talk) 07:17, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
 Done, now at User:Orlydumitrescu/Moviesplanet. -- Cirt (talk) 07:33, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

The Commitment: Love, Sex, Marriage, and My Family

Hey sorry I missed the sales for this one. Here's it: Moody, Nekesa Mumbi (2011-04-28). "Savage's latest brings a ray of hope". The Washington Post. 976 (24). Washington DC: The Post Company. His last book, The Commiment has already sold around 300,000 copies as per BookScan... Hope this helps. — Legolas (talk2me) 13:47, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Thank you very much! I have incorporated this into the article. ;) -- Cirt (talk) 03:41, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for keeping us from having to wear helmets

Sorry if you object to what some term "the orange bar of death" but I just wanted to take a moment to express my sincere appreciation for your work at RFPP and elsewhere too, of course. I have nothing but respect for contributors who keep the substantial infrastructure here from crashing down around the heads of the rest of us. I'm grateful; thank you.  – OhioStandard (talk) 14:17, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Oh, you're most welcome! ;) -- Cirt (talk) 14:21, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Hugo Austin

Hey Cirt. I noticed the article 'Hugo Austin' has been deleted recently. I have a odd request, is it possible you could get me the text that was present so I can place it in a sandbox. The character was notable but just needed a lot more effort putting into it. It had something useful there already I think.Rain the 1 BAM 00:34, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

 Done, now at User:Raintheone/Hugo Austin. -- Cirt (talk) 03:40, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
Thank you for that. :)Rain the 1 BAM 12:56, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
You are welcome! :) -- Cirt (talk) 12:59, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
Keep me posted regarding improvements if you are thinking about proposing it go back into article mainspace. :) -- Cirt (talk) 14:58, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks

The protection is appreciated. I had to do a bit of fiddling around with that article and Dipendra of Nepal because of vandalism. --Kevin W./TalkCFB uniforms/Talk 19:35, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Jeopardy! international tournaments AfD

Cirt, I think a merge or relist outcome was probably best here [17]. One of the deletion arguments is apparently wrong (and frankly irrelevant as a former participant writing an book on a topic doesn't make that book lack independence) and I think the others might be read as being much less relevant in the face of actual sourcing. Thoughts? Hobit (talk) 02:53, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

 Done. Restored, relisted, back at AFD. -- Cirt (talk) 03:07, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
Thanks.Hobit (talk) 03:39, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
You're welcome! :) -- Cirt (talk) 03:42, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Scaoch

Dear Cirt,

I think deleting the article Scoach was not necessary at this stage as improvements have been made on a going basis. Rather than deleting it I would appreciate your input for improvements or deletion of parts that you deemed wrong.

Regards. Lefa1992 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lefa1992 (talkcontribs) 10:54, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

You were the deleting admin on February 2, 2010 of the article

WP:GNG. As I wish to return a far improved version to mainspace, I invite you to visit my new and improved version at User:MichaelQSchmidt/Jonathan Keltz, and perhaps offer your blessing at User talk:MichaelQSchmidt/Jonathan Keltz#Comments:. Thanks, Schmidt, MICHAEL Q.
08:47, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. Just wished to re-affirm that the original deletion 15 months ago was a good one, and to get your approval for a return of an improved article. Thank you and best regards, Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 18:08, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Edits 1984 Rajneeshee bioterror attack

My recent edits to the 1984 Rajneeshee bioterror attack article were meant in good faith. I did not realize that we had to cite sources showing how the previous version of the article was inaccurate. I've started a talk page discussion. Polyquest (talk) 19:30, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

I see the talk page discussion, and I am participating there, thanks. -- Cirt (talk) 19:31, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

A quick FYI...

relative to a block you made Ticket: 2011060210013923. Cheers, --Jezebel'sPonyobons mots 19:50, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

It appears an appropriate response was given to the individual. -- Cirt (talk) 19:51, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
Unblock request was declined. -- Cirt (talk) 19:53, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
I agree the appropriate response was given and the unblock denial sound, I just wanted to drop you a small note regarding the ticket in case it becomes relevant at any time. --Jezebel'sPonyobons mots 20:01, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
Alright, thank you. -- Cirt (talk) 20:02, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

New articles for LGBT Project discussion..Dan Savage biblio

Rather than placing these on the Project Page I think they should go on the Talk Page..I also think that they're more likely to get some attention there. Pjefts (talk) 22:33, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Well, I at least agree that both are appropriate places. :) -- Cirt (talk) 02:34, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Bummer of a login

Hi. Thanks for your welcome note. It turns out, though, I just never noticed I wasn't logged in. Oh well. My userspace is found

one language
)
02:51, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Could you do that? I would like to have the two edits under my username. Let me know on my talk page when the deed is done. Thanks a bunch!
one language
) 02:50, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
That is, the removal of the tag on the article and the discussion top/bottom tags.
one language
) 02:51, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

 Done -- Cirt (talk) 03:55, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

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Hello Cirt

I just wanted to drop a note to you. While we've not had a great deal of direct interaction, I noticed that we've both been involved in several of the same threads lately where you and I disagree on some fundamentals. (the Santorum stuff). I had to note that you have worked extremely hard to be reasonable, compassionate, understanding, and always showing the utmost respect for all editors and their viewpoints. While we may disagree on this particular article, it is a true pleasure to work with someone who shows so much maturity and understanding. Your efforts to find a reasonable compromise in the entire situation have not gone unnoticed. Thank you for being the type of editor and admin. that I think we should all aspire to. Cheers and best. —

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14:41, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Ched, thank you so much for your kind words, and for recognizing my efforts at a polite and respectful demeanor. I really appreciate that. A lot. So very much, actually. It means a lot to me. Thanks again, -- Cirt (talk
) 15:42, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
The Original Barnstar
What Ched said. Philippe Beaudette, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 00:17, 4 June 2011 (UTC)


Not sure whether to drag the discussion out of the archive, or just to ask here. Would you stand for or against reinstatement of the article, given the recent improvements? --Lexein (talk) 20:40, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Not really seeing enough there in terms of secondary source coverage. -- Cirt (talk) 20:41, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
Oh. I thought three reviews was enough. --Lexein (talk) 20:51, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
Also, the page appears to still be tagged with citations needed. -- Cirt (talk) 20:51, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
I put those there, but am willing to assume good faith that there's changelog or bsplayer.org forum news announcement about it. You're saying it shouldn't reinstate with any challenged claims. --Lexein (talk) 21:19, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
Right. -- Cirt (talk) 21:20, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
Meh. I'm not married to it. --Lexein (talk) 21:54, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Santorum

Funny that the discussion of this neologism seems to be best described by another neologism: truthiness, which seems to describe most of the arguments made by those who would see the article removed. In two years, santorum will be eligible for inclusion in the Oxford English Dictionary, and I wouldn't be totally surprised if it winds up there. That would amuse me greatly... but I doubt it would suffice to end the debate. // ⌘macwhiz (talk) 22:40, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Cirt, I think the article lacks any real glaring issues at the moment... or, at least, I see nothing that I wouldn't fear would lead to an edit war if made at this time. I think there are a lot of highly politically-partisan hackles raised right now, and a fair number of editors engaged who cannot adequately divorce their personal feelings and political leanings from the rules of this community. For the same reason, I'm not sure how much good will be done by reasoned discussion: someone will come along with an impassioned-but-unsupported plea that Something Must Be Done that ignores opposing viewpoints.... At this point, I think it's clear that the article won't be deleted, merged, or substantially altered if the community consensus is respected. It's nearing dead horse time... but it's equine flagellation time in US politics now, so I imagine the fury will keep seeking an outlet. One must have faith that enough editors will shout down those who see
WP:IDONTLIKEIT... or, at least, that someone will actually put in the effort to bring forth a good, cogent argument for the other side that sways us, eh? (Perhaps the biggest lack of understanding 'twixt the sides is the difference between firm and intransigent with regard to beliefs...) // ⌘macwhiz (talk
) 02:23, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks!

...for your kind note. Philippe Beaudette, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 00:16, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of The Commitment: Love, Sex, Marriage, and My Family

Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! OCNative (talk
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Proposed an ALT1, thanks. -- Cirt (talk) 06:36, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for the quick response. ALT1 is good to go. I've added a to The Commitment's entry Great ALT1 hook! OCNative (talk) 06:38, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
Thank you very much. :) -- Cirt (talk) 06:39, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

AfD: Parental Rights Amendment

Shouldn't

paid to promote this bill) seems like a weak basis for keeping the article, even as "no consensus." Roscelese (talkcontribs
) 18:59, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

In any case, are you considering relisting the debate? Would DRV be an alternative? Roscelese (talkcontribs) 18:25, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
A bit too late to relist. I would suggest you contact those that commented keep, ask them to further improve the article. Give them at least one week to do so. If they do not, I would have no objections to a re-nom for another AFD. -- Cirt (talk) 18:32, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
OK, did. Thanks for your help! Roscelese (talkcontribs) 18:47, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
You are welcome! :) -- Cirt (talk) 18:48, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

truly disappointed

Hi, Cirt. May I say I am truly disappointed by both you and C.Fred? Anyway I did not expect you to side with conservatism. I am puzzled by the inappropriate action of deleting "burnt out diabetes" of a likely biased user and by your support for the said actions, in particular by your locking the deletion and for not allowing further discussion on this topic. FYI, the key word "burnt out diabetes" has over 2,000 positing and websites. It is a likely paradigm shifting concept, which, as the history of science and medicine has shown repeatedly, antagonizes traditionalists and those who have minimal tolerance for the scientific progress and for advances in science and medicine. History repeats itself. As for technicality of DELTERION OBJECTOIN (“use conventional methods to protest deletion”), not all people on the planet are as Wikipedia-savvy as certain biased. Instead of supporting people who have mitigated tolerance for new concepts and mark anything for deletion that is not consistent with “their” traditional and science-conservative expectations, you may wish to also support the underdog of the Wikipedia World in the interest of advancing freedom of science and allowing Wikipedia to grow rather than becoming yet another tool in the hands of the monitors of the monitors of the monitors…. Very few people mean vandalism, and to discredit a balanced effort of reviving an unfairly deleted page as "vandalism" and showing least tolerance for such efforts in not consistent with your impressive track record in your website. Hope we see your true you and your advocacy for freedom of science and against scientific fanatics.Burntout1234 (talk) 06:23, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

FYI, this account is a sock of Burntout123 (talk · contribs), who recreated Burnt-out diabetes mellitus and other variant titles about a dozen times tonight/this morning. I finally wound up SALTing the original title and blocking him for 31 hours. I had advised him before the block to contact you if he objected to your close of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Burnt-out diabetes mellitus, and that if you and he couldn't resolve the situation, he could take the matter to DRV. —C.Fred (talk) 06:27, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
Blocked the sock, the sock should request unblock, through its main account. -- Cirt (talk) 06:28, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
And I would grant an unblock request—obviously with the understanding that any attempt to create the article again would result in an immediate block. —C.Fred (talk) 06:37, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
No objections to that. -- Cirt (talk) 06:38, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
Let me mirror here the statement I made at User talk:Burntout123, rescinding my assent to an unblock. It's becoming clear that the user has an axe to grind against other users; until he can demonstrate willingness to participate civilly, I don't see a reason to shorten the block. —C.Fred (talk) 18:08, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
Alright. -- Cirt (talk) 18:31, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Page protection

Just a friendly reminder - when you add a protection tag to a template like this, make sure you wrap it in <noinclude> tags. :-) Otherwise it's transcluded with the template and makes non-protected articles think they are protected. (Our articles are easily confused sometimes.) Avicennasis @ 19:14, 2 Sivan 5771 / 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Good point, thanks. -- Cirt (talk) 19:16, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Edit

Oh dear, I didn't notice this edit. You have no right to unilaterally enforce your opinion. I don't want trouble so I won't take it to AN/I, but I do want to register my distaste for this kind of action. BECritical__Talk 19:32, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Well, I had already decided I was not going to do that a 2nd time, but another editor did agree that it was inappropriate, diff. Your edit removing all the comments of two other users diff was also inappropriate and contrary to talk page guidelines, but I don't want to push that either at this point in time. -- Cirt (talk) 19:35, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
Yes, I realized that after I did it that I shouldn't have blanked. Did that once before too, just because it seems to me like the right thing to do with a thread which will just distract others. Anyway, peace (; BECritical__Talk 19:54, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
And also onto you! :) -- Cirt (talk) 19:55, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue LXIII, May 2011

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DYK for Savage Love: Straight Answers from America's Most Popular Sex Columnist

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) 00:02, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you! ;) -- Cirt (talk) 03:25, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Re

Thanks to you, for the incredible article. Edslov (talk) 02:33, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of User:24.177.120.138/Don't create an account during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Delicious carbuncle (talk
) 03:23, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for the notification. I will simply defer to the outcome of consensus expressed by the community from that discussion. Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 03:25, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Skipping Towards Gomorrah