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Template:Topics Navchart has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. — This, that, and the other (talk) 02:24, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
I noticed that you were working on getting Portal:United States up and running again in 2008. I have recently gotten WikiProject United States up and running and am looking at pulling that portal under our scope. Would you be interested in helping me get that portal back to featured status again. If not could you offer me any advice as to what needs to be done? I am going to update some content but aside from that I'm not sure. --
- Hi, Kumioko. When I worked on the portal with another user, we completed everything on our to-do list except the daily On this days. Then I ran out of steam. It's just plug-and-chug for that part now. I'm not much at all involved here anymore, but I do check in once in a while if you have questions. Regards, RichardF (talk) 18:49, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
Please be on the lookout
Richard,
Your changes to the contents navigation system worry me.
The problem is that outlines get attacked occasionally. One of the main justifications used for nominating some component of the outline system is its apparent redundancy compared to other systems, such as categories, portals, navigation templates, etc. Of course the redundancy is superficial, as outlines are usually much more comprehensive, and they are also growing beyond basic tree structures, with the inclusion of annotations, section leads, pictures, etc.
Outlines just recovered from a year-long edit/move-war that ended last October. About one out of ten outlines were affected, including tactics like renaming outlines to lists, removal of links leading to outlines, removing outline formatting, replacing the word "Outline", and removal of the outline footer. Several outlines were nominated for deletion in an effort to set a precedent.
System-wide elements were also gone after. They tried to interpret the
It got ugly. Most but not all of the damage has been repaired. Fortunately, the outline system has continued to grow despite opposition, both in quality and coverage.
Unfortunately, the danger isn't over. Someone went after
I'm worried that you will simply walk away after getting your change to the contents system implemented. The change will invite comparison between the various subsystems by the redundancy opponents. Vigilance is required to prevent them from hacking away contents subsystems, especially the outline subsystem.
Will you be there to intervene when they strike again?
I hope so.
Sincerely, The Transhumanist 19:20, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- Hi, TT. Thanks for the background. I can understand your concerns about all the edit warring that goes on around here. One thing I did before I made the topics proposal was make sure at least one admin thought it was a good idea first. It's a fact of wikilife that they pull much more weight than I ever will. What I advocate for is choices, even if I don't prefer some of them myself. That's pretty much how I see the type- and topic-oriented pages. There's no real cost to keeping what exists, so I don't support eliminating any of the current or emerging systems, like the indexes. It's still not a lock that the topics pages will make it to the navbar, but I do belive they have merit irrespective of any other classification systems also available. As far as potential future edit warring goes, I don't control that. I don't know who your admin allies on that are, but they would seem to be your best bet at managing nonsense. In any event, I wish you well on you favorite projects, on and off the encyclopedia. Regards, RichardF (talk) 22:14, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- I'm referring to efforts to remove systems, via AfD, etc. To prevent loss requires responsible editors like you to watch for such events and participate in the discussions. Providing links and not caring what happens to the system because of it is irresponsible. Your nav bar could be a time bomb. You should keep watch to provide troubleshooting, in the event the change you implemented causes trouble. The Transhumanist 23:14, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Another emerging subsystem
It's not ready for inclusion in your expanded navbar system yet, but take a look at
I haven't spent much time on it, it really needs someone of its own to develop it. I'm already over-committed elsewhere on and off of WP. The Transhumanist 19:56, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- Okay, when it's ready to go live, we can add it to the navbar, navbox & topics pages easy enough. Here's a link to its views counts page. http://stats.grok.se/en/201102/Portal%3AContents/Indexes -- RichardF (talk) 21:54, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- You missed the point. It will never be ready to go live, unless someone is found to work on it. I don't have time. I mentioned it in case you thought it would be worthwhile to work on it yourself or find somebody who will. It seems like your kind of project. The Transhumanist 23:16, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- One possibility is to strip the redlinks (except for countries), and take it live right away. That might attract the traffic needed to further develop that system. The Transhumanist 23:49, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
re Personal attacks, threats and interference
I would suggest you file a report, with diffs, to
]- Those are not diffs. Those are versions of the page. This is a diff diff. Just a friendly FYI. Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 03:24, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
The WikiProject United States Barnstar of National Merit
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For all your efforts and the inevitable promotion of talk) 03:22, 20 February 2011 (UTC) ]
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Aw, shucks, thanks! :-) RichardF (talk) 03:27, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
Portal:United States
Kumioko had asked
- Interstate 68, an Interstate Highway, for the South
- U.S. Route 50 in Nevada, a US Highway, for the West
- New York State Route 22, a state highway, for the Northeast
- Brockway Mountain Drive, a county road, for the Midwest
Of these, all are Featured Articles except Brockway, which I will be nominating at FAC in the very near future. (There's a rare book at the Library of Michigan or the historical library at Central Michigan University that's just on the history of the road that I'd like to peruse before the nomination.) Please feel free to add them now, or wait until the FPoC completes at your discretion. Imzadi 1979 → 22:31, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks, Imzadi. I'll add them tonight and/or tomorrow. Of course, feel free to make other additions yourself as well. :-) -- RichardF (talk) 23:58, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
- You can see the selections starting at Portal:United States/Selected location#21-40. You also can see their rating in the table at Portal:United States/Selected location#Preferred locations. Feel free to make any edits you see fit. -- RichardF (talk) 02:46, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
- Um, not to burst you bubble, but all but Brockway are Featured Articles, not A-Class. Brockway is headed to FAC in probably next week or two. (A friend of mine is going to get me a copy of that book here shortly. Once I review all 11 pages of it, the article is going to FAC.) I swapped out the maps for images, since the maps don't do the roads justice, especially in the case of Brockway. The New York Times has been writing about it for their travel sections since the 1950s. Kumioko's suggestion, and our resulting discussion partially prompted me to make Brockway my next FAC nomination. Imzadi 1979 → 02:55, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
- You can see the selections starting at Portal:United States/Selected location#21-40. You also can see their rating in the table at Portal:United States/Selected location#Preferred locations. Feel free to make any edits you see fit. -- RichardF (talk) 02:46, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
The Wordles you dropped....
...on my talk page... thank you! Fantastic... I love that stuff. I'm very visual, so a good graphic makes all the difference to me.
Thanks! Philippe Beaudette, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 05:23, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
- You're welcome. I'm very visual too. I also have a background in content analysis, so I've played around with them on different topical documents. They're very handy for getting quick impressions about large documents. :-) Regards, RichardF (talk) 13:59, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
Portal on Talk pages
Hi Richard; re this and similar edits: this has caused the section edit links to disappear from some seventy talk pages. There is a thread concerning this matter at
- Sorry! I'll have to go through and change them to links. -- RichardF (talk) 21:11, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
erros
Hi RichardF would just like to point out that your edits to the Wikiprojects is causing some major layout problems See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject United States Government --note how there is 2 headers and that the achiever is now half way down the page. I dont want to mass revert so hoping you can look back on this edits.22:14, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
Goof?
I am hoping this was a goof. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 22:19, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
- Sorry, I hope that worked. RichardF (talk) 22:22, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
- We are going to need all this reverted before people jump on you. PS i do see what you were trying to do..to bad its not working.Moxy (talk) 22:24, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
- I'm fixing it as fast as I can. Now I'm just deleting the link. RichardF (talk) 22:26, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
- All good - was done with the best intentions. I realy realy like this font on your page (and may steal it) LOL :-).Moxy (talk) 22:29, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
- I figured it was a goof. I have done that before myself. You go to copy something and it accidently copies half the page with it. HATE THAT. So, no worries from me. :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 22:40, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
- All good - was done with the best intentions. I realy realy like this font on your page (and may steal it) LOL :-).Moxy (talk) 22:29, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
- I'm fixing it as fast as I can. Now I'm just deleting the link. RichardF (talk) 22:26, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
- We are going to need all this reverted before people jump on you. PS i do see what you were trying to do..to bad its not working.Moxy (talk) 22:24, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
Hey...
It's been awhile since we've collaborated on anything. Nice work on the Book namespace, by the way.
Concerning the navigation bar, it is getting pretty bloated. Keep in mind that it is likely to grow (see
By the way, I'm in the process of hunting down gaps in coverage in
I'm currently working on Outline of Sikhism, Outline of libertarianism, Outline of chess, and Outline of dinosaurs.
Suggestions are welcome. The Transhumanist 00:03, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
- I'm done with "clarifying" the navbar thing. I have no suggestions for the outlines. -- RichardF (talk) 18:36, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
Awesome job on the portal
I just wanted to stop by and say awesome job on the portal. You have really done a lot of work and I want you to know that its appreciated. With the portal in mind I wanted to write up a couple of sentences about it (where its at, what it needs, whatever you want) so I can put it in the Monthly Newsletter for WPUS. I would like to get the newsletter out early next week (I will be out of town all weekend for work). Please let me know if thats something your interested in doing or if you have something you would like me to say. --
- Thanks. You can write what you want. Two ideas that come to mind would be to recruit to add to the Anniversaries section and comment at the FP nominations page. :-) RichardF (talk) 00:41, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
- You got it thanks for the input. I'll drop you a link in the next day or too once I draft it up so you can chop on it. --talk) 00:48, 29 March 2011 (UTC)]
- I added a writeup on the portal talk) 23:11, 3 April 2011 (UTC)]
- That looks good to me. Thanks! --RichardF (talk) 00:57, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
- Great thank you for verifying. Ill get that sent out in the next couple days. Also, I'm not sure if I mentioned it but I will get the rest of the Anniversary pages tagged as WPUS in the next couple days as well. Do you need to delete the old On this day pages or are you going to keep them? --talk) 01:00, 4 April 2011 (UTC)]
- Great thank you for verifying. Ill get that sent out in the next couple days. Also, I'm not sure if I mentioned it but I will get the rest of the Anniversary pages tagged as WPUS in the next couple days as well. Do you need to delete the old On this day pages or are you going to keep them? --
- That looks good to me. Thanks! --RichardF (talk) 00:57, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
- I added a writeup on the portal
- You got it thanks for the input. I'll drop you a link in the next day or too once I draft it up so you can chop on it. --
Breaking things with ndashes
I noticed that you came through and changed every dash in portal anniversary section into an ndash. I'm pretty sure that's explicitly prohibited. In this case, you broke vertical lines by changing them to ndash;ndash;ndash;ndash; (I had to remove the amphersands so it would display like that, suffice to say it broke the line.), and in another part, you placed an ndash into the middle of a word, generally something not done. I don't have the evidence to say you were running an unregistered bot, and I'm pretty sure that AWB won't make some of those changes. Please go back and undue the ndashing of every dash on the page if you did it in any other pages. Thank you.
- I don't run bots, so there's no "evidence" to find. What I did was make the items conform to all to other items for "day" articles, like April 10. Any ndashes in the middle of of a sentence are by good-faith mistake, and can be corrected like any other typo. RichardF (talk) 17:20, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
- Sorry if I sounded like I accused you of running a bot. My point was that it looked like a "replace all" function (which can be done without a bot.) For the future, the only dashes that need the ndash treatment are the ones in between the year and the event. The four dashes are left as keyboard dashes on purpose (and they form a vertical line like that) and the other dashes fine as is. Thanks, Wha? 22:38, 10 April 2011 (UTC)]
- Sorry if I sounded like I accused you of running a bot. My point was that it looked like a "replace all" function (which can be done without a bot.) For the future, the only dashes that need the ndash treatment are the ones in between the year and the event. The four dashes are left as keyboard dashes on purpose (and they form a vertical line like that) and the other dashes fine as is. Thanks,
Portal United States
I noticed you hadn't been on for a little while but just in case you are checking I thought I would take a chance. I have actually been meaning to leave this messaeg for a while but...
I noticed on the Anniversaries pages like Portal:United States/Anniversaries/March/March 17 that you only included a few of the things that happened. Was that for a reason or would it be ok to just copy one group to the other?
In a couple other cases it appeared that all of the information was duplicated so I was wondering if, in those cases, we should remove the extra On this day template? Thanks again for all the hard work. --
- Hi, I just got my first email ever that someone posted to my talk page. It must be a part of that universal sign-in. ;-) The number of items for any given date is mostly about formatting section block sizes on the portal page, give or take an item or two. One this day is now a back-room resource that is not posted to the portal. Both types of pages had the same functional intent, with disagreement about what should be used. I have no current plans for editing there any time soon, so feel free to do what you think is best. RichardF (talk) 16:29, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
- Yeah the EMAIL thing is kinda new. It was always there but the developers never turned it on. Thanks for the comments. Sorry to hear that it sounds like you had a bad go of it and I apologize I never got more involved. I started for a while and then when I saw you were working on it I sorta let you handle it and went and tackled some other areas that didn't have someone actively working on it. I may try to pick up where you left off in time but I still have some other things going on. --talk) 17:08, 8 June 2011 (UTC)]
- I was just playing with an idea for the portal and I wanted to run it by you. Within the hundred or so US related portals we have essentially 4 main groups; Portal United States, Portal US Roads, Portal United States Government and Portal United States military. What I was thinking was to possible tie these together something perhaps like talk) 20:52, 17 June 2011 (UTC)]
- I was just playing with an idea for the portal and I wanted to run it by you. Within the hundred or so US related portals we have essentially 4 main groups; Portal United States, Portal US Roads, Portal United States Government and Portal United States military. What I was thinking was to possible tie these together something perhaps like
- Yeah the EMAIL thing is kinda new. It was always there but the developers never turned it on. Thanks for the comments. Sorry to hear that it sounds like you had a bad go of it and I apologize I never got more involved. I started for a while and then when I saw you were working on it I sorta let you handle it and went and tackled some other areas that didn't have someone actively working on it. I may try to pick up where you left off in time but I still have some other things going on. --
- Hi, Kumioko. I agree tying together the high-level U.S. portals is a good idea. I just don't think doing it with tabs is the way to go. They really are distinct portals with distinct styles and content. The usual way to do something like this is with a navbar, like {{Science portalbar}}. I adapted that and added it to the sandbox portal. Feel free to mess with it and use it as you see fit, or not. Regards, RichardF (talk) 01:07, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks, either way is fine with me and I agree that there are some big drawbacks to using tabs including the style an drawback issues you mention. --talk) 23:04, 18 June 2011 (UTC)]
- Thanks, either way is fine with me and I agree that there are some big drawbacks to using tabs including the style an drawback issues you mention. --
- Hi, Kumioko. I agree tying together the high-level U.S. portals is a good idea. I just don't think doing it with tabs is the way to go. They really are distinct portals with distinct styles and content. The usual way to do something like this is with a navbar, like {{Science portalbar}}. I adapted that and added it to the sandbox portal. Feel free to mess with it and use it as you see fit, or not. Regards, RichardF (talk) 01:07, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
Moving forward with Portal:United States
The nomination for FP for Portal:United States was closed as unsuccessful. I've got six months of anniversaries left to do, and I've got about six weeks of relatively consistent access to the internet before I hit a point where I won't be able to say for sure if I'll have any access at all. I'll get as much done on that as possible. Once I'm done with that, we can give it another run. There were a few other minor issues that got brought up during the nomination, but I don't see anything particularly difficult standing in the way of the third nomination. I'll be in touch when the anniversaries are done.
- Thanks for the update and all of your work on that project. --RichardF (talk) 15:30, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
FYI, featured portal drive
Hi there, RichardF, you'd previously successfully gotten and nominated one of the portals linked from the top-right of the
- Thanks. I'll probably just stay on "stand by" for now. ;-) --RichardF (talk) 21:49, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
History browsebar troubles
The History browsebar does not work on Portal:History, I tried several solutions but I'm truly stuck. Cirt tells me you can help me =)? ResMar 19:00, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
- Done. Hi ResMar - The template wasn't closed properly (</div>), neither was the portal - no div or table closing. While I was at it, I got rid of the unnecessary if statement in the browsebar - it looks the same regardless. Regards, RichardF (talk) 19:36, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
Portal:Society/Categories
Property | Internet Explorer |
Firefox | Safari | Chrome | Opera |
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column-width column-count |
≥ 10 (2012) |
≥ 1.5 (2005) |
≥ 3 (2007) |
≥ 1 (2008) |
≥ 11.1 (2011) |
columns | ≥ 10 (2012) |
≥ 9 (2011) |
≥ 3 (2007) |
≥ 1 (2008) |
≥ 11.1 (2011) |
break-before break-after break-inside |
≥ 10 (2012) |
≥ 65 (2019) |
≥ 10 (2016) |
≥ 65 (2016) |
≥ 15 (2013) |
Any ideas on how to make this show up as 2 columns, in Internet Explorer? — Cirt (talk) 01:10, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
- Sure, upgrade to IE10!!! ;-) --RichardF (talk) 13:28, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
- I don't know of any other way to break the category tree into columns. A "punt" would be to set the depth to zero, and let folks open it if they choose. You then could add selected subcategories in an indented table/column. See mw:Extension:CategoryTree for details.
<categorytree depth=0 showcount=on>Society</categorytree> ---- {{multicol}} <categorytree depth=0 showcount=on>Business</categorytree> <categorytree depth=0 showcount=on>Culture</categorytree> etc. {{multicol-break}} <categorytree depth=0 showcount=on>Economics</categorytree> <categorytree depth=0 showcount=on>Education</categorytree> {{multicol-end}}
--RichardF (talk) 17:33, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
How's that?! ;-) --RichardF (talk) 18:57, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
- Thank you sooooo much! Any way you can do that also for ]
- That's right. Try looking at it with Internet Explorer. That was the whole reason why I reformatted the pages. :-)
Any ideas on how to make this show up as 2 columns, in Internet Explorer? — Cirt (talk) 01:10, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
- Sure, upgrade to IE10!!! ;-) --RichardF (talk) 13:28, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
- Done! One last one for now, can you do that also for Portal:Geography? :P — Cirt (talk) 18:39, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
- Portal:Geography/Categories: Done --RichardF (talk) 18:58, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
Bothering you again
The link= parameter on Portal:History/Intro/Image Layout creates a "link=" mouseover instead of linking the article to where it needs to be, yet it works elsewhere. You know how this is? I'm stumped. ResMar 13:18, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
- Done. Piece-o-Cake! ;-) The image subpages had the wikicode "[[" and "]]" around the page names. Those brackets already are in the Layout template, so it thought they we just plain text. To make the image title display properly, I also changed it from the link to the caption parameter, because all captions are not the same as the page link. That should do it! Next? :-) --RichardF (talk) 20:17, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
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- Thanks for the heads-upSes! Those changes all sound fine to me, particularly since I'm a former participant anyway. Regards, RichardF (talk) 15:59, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
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FYI, there's a list with some notes at User:Sven Manguard/List of Featured Portals which includes some portals you've worked on, you may want to take a look and modify some accordingly, if you want. — Cirt (talk) 04:42, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
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Long time, no see
As you have been very involved with portals in the past, I thought you might like to know that...
Portals were nominated for deletion (yes, all portals, and the portal namespace) in an RfC that drew over 500 Wikipedians to comment.
It wasn't going well for portals, due to the pile on effect. I noticed that they hadn't notified the pages nominated for deletion. So, I intervened. :)
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- Thanks for the update. I support automating as much as possible. Regards, RichardF (talk) 23:22, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
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MfD nomination of Portal:Dance/Selected biography
A few questions
- How do you prefer to browse Wikipedia, and do you ever use Portal:Contents (if yes, do you still use it)?
- Can you explain to me what's going on with Portal:Contents/Human_activities.
PS: I chose to ask this question anonymously for a few stupid reasons, so please don't mind.
171.48.45.109 (talk) 19:00, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
- Hi there. When I go to Wikipedia, I'm usually looking for some info on a specific topic, so I use search more than browse. When I'm just hanging out, I do click on Contents and then browse around the different subpages. When I look at the edit history for Portal:Contents/Human_activities, it appears some vandals like to mess with it, but that's not all that unusual for high visibility pages. Enjoy the journey. RichardF (talk) 21:34, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks for responding. By the way, your name has been mentioned on the latest section of Portal_talk:Contents. 106.215.66.220 (talk) 11:37, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
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Speedy deletion nomination of Book:Computer science
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