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The result was delete. -- RoySmith (talk) 01:35, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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This has been tagged for copyvio Kottu investigation since last April (2014) (see previous version here) and my searches found nothing to suggest improvement and considering there's never been much improvement or even information. Pinging Namiba and Fayenatic london. SwisterTwister talk 23:33, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Promotional article, with extensive puffery. No reason to think it notable, either. DGG ( talk ) 23:08, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Jujutacular (talk) 02:58, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Procedural nomination per the CSD I declined. Courcelles (talk) 23:04, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep her notability is part of her religious affiliation: first woman Muslim pilot. The article describes her struggle to be a pilot after 9/11. I'll check for more sources, bit she seems to meet GNG.Megalibrarygirl (talk) 02:56, 24 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Reworked article to be less like a press release. Easily meets GNG. Articles have appeared over time (2013 to 2015), in a wide variety of venues (Saudi Arabia, India, Australia). Concur with both Megalibrarygirl and sources that her notability lies in her religious affiliation because of perception and stereotypes associated with her faith, she has become a role model for other women. SusunW (talk) 17:32, 24 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. DIscounting all the "keep" opinions by accounts with curiously few edits.  Sandstein  18:53, 29 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Non-notable artist. Does not meet

WP:ACADEMIC, but a review the paper cited shows that subject was only thanked in the paper, not an author of the paper. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 22:16, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply
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  • Delete as I found nothing good aside from one press release, simply too soon for a better article. BTW Gogo Dodo it's good to see you around AfD (you'd certainly be welcomed to come around here more often)! SwisterTwister talk 05:00, 21 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • KEEP. Upon further research the subject has satisfied a number of the criteria for music notability. Eg. subject of multiple published works, has album on Switzerland music chart, non-trivial coverage of international tour, has collaborated and worked with notable music artists, has won first place in a major music competition, has been placed in rotation on major television network (MTV)[3] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Karisma808 (talkcontribs) 18:43, 21 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    WP:OTHERSTUFF and MC Jin is signed to a record label, has released albums with said label, has film and television credits, and covered multiple independent reliable sources. C-tru has none of these. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 19:27, 26 September 2015 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete. Randykitty (talk) 16:16, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: as insufficiently notable writer. Quis separabit? 20:15, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Jujutacular (talk) 03:11, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: as non-notable

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  • Delete Clearly fails PORNBIO. The coverage cited by MT falls well below what is required to meet the GNG, amounting to 1) a brief obituary; 2)a brief mention (with no biographical information) in an article about pprn performers ripping off actual celebrity names (Gabor acted as "Turd Wrenolds"); 3)a news-of-the weird type item that boils down to "porn star comes to town, wants local girls to have sex with him on camera", saying next to nothing about Gabor himself; 4) a brief description of a video (now offline) of someone named Alex Rosen telling a story about Gabor, labelled "humor"; and 5) a very brief followup to item 3, reporting that Gabor can only find one local girl willing to have on-camera sex. My comments here are probably longer than the collected biographical content about Gabor in the five articles combined. That's really not enough to sustain a biographical article for a subject who fails the relevant SNGs. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo) (talk) 02:04, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Comment (changed from Delete) fails PORNBIO and there's no other claim of notability in the article, the refs shown here are of the "tabloid journalism" variety, discouraged to be used by ]
He most certainly fails PORNBIO, and I still think that most sources are tabloid journalism and a lot of obits which all repeat the same story. However, he may have been a minor celebrity in Norway, based on his looking like Sean Connery. There's reasonable doubt here as to whether he fails ]
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  • Keep - I'm in the delete camp on about 97% of the debates about pieces on porn actors brought to AfD. However, Cavarrone has demonstrated that this deceased individual, as "Norway's most famous porn actor," has been the object of multiple instances of substantial coverage in independent publications of presumed reliability — and thus passes GNG, completely setting aside our ludicrous SNG for porn stars.. Carrite (talk) 15:29, 26 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. – 

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Do not find the subject notable and cannot find many sources discussing the relevance of this particular Kathleen Griffin (school teacher/educationalist) as there seem to be so many Sheroddy (talk) 15:16, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Rich Kids on LSD. Any content worth merging is available from the article history. Randykitty (talk) 16:45, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The Other (punk band)

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Fails

not inherited. It looks like the most logical outcome is a delete/redirect to Rich Kids on LSD, which shares band members and already mentions The Other. There are not sufficient reliable secondary sources for a stand-alone article, though. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 22:01, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply
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  • Delete as I found nothing good and the name is no help even with adding "punk band San Francisco".
    Rhododendrities Considering this was PRODDed in May, what made you nominate it now? (I'm assuming you were watching it and you found it again) SwisterTwister talk 04:57, 21 September 2015 (UTC)[reply
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  • Merge I'd be ok combining with RKL (although RKL and The Other are two completely different bands) as long as the information was not lost (i.e. merge the content) and then redirect "The Other" to that section of the RKL wiki. Pacohaas (talk) 18:36, 21 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to Rhythm D. Redirecting, although the target seems to be headed for AfD, too. If that is deleted, this one should be deleted, too, judging from the comments of the editors participating in this debate. Randykitty (talk) 16:54, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Fails WP:MUSBIO -- notability claim seems to be that a song appeared on a popular soundtrack album. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 21:55, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. Randykitty (talk) 16:56, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Can find no

reliable sources on this topic. Sam Walton (talk) 21:39, 29 August 2015 (UTC)[reply
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Keep Winner of the, "2007 Java Developer's Journal Readers' Choice Awards". [24] [25] The software is also recommended in dozens of programming books.[26] It appears that they have a free version for personal and a paid version for commercial use. 009o9 (talk) 21:34, 5 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete as a java developer there is very little reason to keep this page there is nothing of worth on this page that you would not see from attempting to use it inside of eclipse. I understand that it is a good tool but it is a bit simple. Its like writing an article about a specific brand of pulley system. There will never be a reason to write about the branded item but about the system itself. We have an article on Software profiling. I don't see why this is notable beyond that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andrdema (talkcontribs) 10:06, 22 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Mojo Hand (talk) 03:10, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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No indication of meeting

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The result was delete. Courcelles (talk) 20:52, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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I found results for both companies but not for this joint venture and I'm not entirely convinced it existed although it is common for there to be few results therefore I want comments. Calling Calamondin12 and TheGGoose. SwisterTwister talk 21:41, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Courcelles (talk) 20:53, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Fr an article from January 2005 with hardly much information and change since then, my searches found absolutely nothing and it seems they may no longer exist and their website is closed. I was initially going to PROD but this seems better for comments and given the age (the article claims they performed at some Award shows but without good sources, there's simply not much). SwisterTwister talk 21:22, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sam Walton (talk) 18:41, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The subject does not seem to meet

WP:SCHOLAR. Google searches didnt give any favorable result for the subject. Hitro talk 20:55, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete. Jujutacular (talk) 17:49, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Fails PORNBIO and the GNG. No qualifying awards, just nominations. Negligible independent reliable sourcing, mostly press releases, presskit pieces, and promotional interviews. No real claim of notability. There's just nothing here. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo) (talk) 20:38, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. No consensus at all to delete this content, and we don't need to be at AFD to discuss whether to do some selective merging or not. Courcelles (talk) 20:56, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

List of Malayalam songs recorded by Shreya Ghoshal (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD · Stats)
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I cleaned up a couple of these lists a while ago, as they had an excessive number of external links to (mostly) iTunes and similar commercial sites. However, I now believe that they should be deleted as per

WP:INDISCRIMINATE
for listing every song she has recorded.

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Segregation by languages was probably made to keep article sizes within limits. Merged article would be huge. Also segregation by languages means segregation by various Indian film industries which are language based. Unless we can find a different criteria for segregation or a way to keep size small, status quo seems the only solution. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 13:01, 25 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was merge to Clay, New York. -- RoySmith (talk) 01:34, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Moyers Corners Fire Department

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Nothing to indicate notability on article; all secondary sources found on Google news are either about fires or personnel; neither of which show notability for the department John from Idegon (talk) 20:19, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Courcelles (talk) 20:57, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Non-notable product; just another tablet. No references provided; the only one is dead, and its at the manufactrer's own website. Unencyclopedic rundown of all submodels and options. Mikeblas (talk) 19:54, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Randykitty (talk) 10:00, 29 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The subject does not meet

WP:GNG. I did not find anything significant on Bing or Google searches. Hitro talk 19:50, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete. Randykitty (talk) 10:02, 29 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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I believe the page has already be deleted. Player fails

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How? Kelechi has actually played for the first-team. --ArsenalFan700 (talk) 23:40, 21 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
There was no consensus to keep Kelechi Iheanacho during any of the 4 deletion debates that I'm aware of. Was there a fifth? Nfitz (talk) 22:31, 25 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
No there wasn't any other AfD, the last one was closed as "no consensus" per the votes cast, not per the "level of notability". Aside from
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Why? If he meets
WP:GNG then doesn't matter if hasn't made professional debut. Nfitz (talk) 02:10, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply
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... but he doesn't JMHamo (talk) 02:13, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
He clearly doesn't. The sources provided above to support GNG are classic examples of
WP:NOTINHERITED. There's a bit of chat going on about this young player because of who his dad was, not because of any achievements the player has gained. You simply cannot claim a player is generally notable in the field of football when they have never actually played football at any senior level. Fenix down (talk) 10:30, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete. Courcelles (talk) 20:59, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Does not meet notability guidelines —Boruch Baum (talk) 18:36, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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@Claudebone -- very droll. Quis separabit? 03:27, 23 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to

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Article topic lacks

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The result was Speedy delete as blatant hoax. There may have been an Enoch Kimball, but not the cow.... Peridon (talk) 19:29, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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This is a hilarious article when it comes to an exploding "weaponized cow" Kimball supposedly invented, but I can't find a source that verifies this person and/or his invention. I don't know how this article wasn't caught as a hoax by a patroller. TheGGoose (talk) 17:15, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Kraxler (talk) 17:02, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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A secret service man. The only actually independent source is a mention in a book about the Secret Service, not about this subject. Guy (Help!) 22:19, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment. I found news coverage either mentioning him or interviewing him over a 25 year period from 1973 to 1998. The AP published an article about him in 1985. There are various other mentions of him in books discussing Reagan and/or the US Secret Service I'm leaning "keep", but I'm interested to see what others may find. - ]
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The result was delete. North America1000 18:24, 27 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Article on a football scout that doesn't meet the

WP:ANYBIO: no awards, no significant contribution to the field, etc. Tassedethe (talk) 22:10, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete. Sam Walton (talk) 13:00, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Not notable enough for Wikipedia. Geodon93 (talk) 21:52, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Courcelles (talk) 21:03, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Looks basically like an advertisement, not written in the style of Wikipedia and do not see the relevance or notability of this subject for Wikipedia. Sheroddy (talk) 21:52, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Courcelles (talk) 21:04, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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This article about the subject J. P. Rangaswami is just blatant promotion and should have been deleted a long time ago. Sheroddy (talk) 21:38, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to V. C. Andrews. No more discussion seems to be forthcoming, so I am redirecting this as suggested, but without prejudice to restoring the article if significant sources crop up. Randykitty (talk) 10:04, 29 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The Orphans series

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I'm not finding reviews or usage that would support notability for this series (or any of the titles within). Mikeblas (talk) 20:39, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Big Brother Africa. The redirect is fairly cheap here Courcelles (talk) 21:07, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Big Brother Africa 10

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The result was delete. Courcelles (talk) 21:06, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Another small shopping mall., 1/3 the size of the ones we usually keep (which is 1 million sq ft = 100,000 sq m) Trivial or local awards. References are press releases/announcements, or local shopping or travel sites. DGG ( talk ) 18:50, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It is one of the most prominent mall in Sharjah, UAE. Currently mall is again being redevoloped to achieve the distinction of being the largest mall in Sharjah . Also it is a popular landmarked in Sharjah and is owned by Majid Al Futtaim group, arguably the biggest investment group in UAE.Abidahmed1983 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abidahmed1983 (talkcontribs) 04:40, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Mojo Hand (talk) 03:18, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Non-notable nursery school. I don't think that nursery schools even merit a mention in the article for their city, so redirect would be inappropriate. PamD 16:38, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Courcelles (talk) 21:09, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Non notable 3-year-old small company. Sources are rehashed press releases, minor mentions. Not necessarily a reason to delete, the creator

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The result was delete. Courcelles (talk) 21:10, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Mention inpssing in refs on page, no depth, no multiple sources about himself. Fails

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The result was delete. Courcelles (talk) 21:11, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Tagged for notability for over seven years, this promotional article's subject does not pass

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The result was delete. Although the article has an unusually large number of sources, the consensus appears to be that they do not establish notability. The samples I looked at confirm this. Randykitty (talk) 10:13, 29 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Almost zero information exists on this individual, with what little information I can piece together coming from concert bios. {{

Refimprove}} tag has been on the page since 2009 with little to no indication that anyone has done anything to it. Primefac (talk) 17:57, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply
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Primefac and Quis separabit?, I infer that the reason for the proposed deletion of this page is the lack of sources: I will immediately provide all the necessary sources for every statement in the page (sites of Cambridge University Press Journals, Christine Talbot Cooper International Artists, Delphian Records, Worcester Concert Club, Sinfonia of Leeds, etc.) in order to prove that any information relative to Peter Bradley-Fulgoni adheres to the criteria indicated by Wikipedia. Grateful in advance for your cooperation.
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Dear administrators, I'll be grateful for your feedback on the status of the updated page in relation with the Wikipedia requirements, i.e. with respect to the recent proposal of deletion.
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PRIMARY sources, and while they are not forbidden, they do not demonstrate notability. The remainder of the sources seem to be one-sentence mentions of you, which are fine for verification of facts but do little for notability. The page still requires multiple independent reliable sources
that talk about you in detail.
As a side note, please end all of your comments with ~~~~, which will sign your messages and more easily allow people to know left the comment. Primefac (talk) 18:27, 14 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]


Primefac, thanks a lot for the information you've given: I've never given concerts (and it's nice of you to think I could), but I suppose your thoughtfulness was addressed to me.
I'm not a recitalist but I know a thing or two about the music world, and I can positively say that the only artists' biographies which are not directly provided -or do not totally rely on those directly provided- by the artists themselves (or their agents) are those on the Grove (and only in the case of deceased people): if you resorted to the parameter "bio/data uninfluenced by artists/agents" to delete artists' pages, the vast majority of those relative to living artists would be rather short-lived (apart from saying that some Wikipedia page quotes even the personal site of the artist in focus or articles where the artist speaks about him/herself).
And anyway: articles/reviews on artists' performances are out of place because inevitably celebratory, personal research doesn't comply with Wikipedia rules, music sites are unreliable in that we can sense that they draw from material (inevitably) supplied by artists; so, what's the way out? where can I get information to write about an artist I am interested in?
Besides, any 'gradus ad Parnassum' is made of single steps, therefore I don't see why having been only briefly mentioned on a source can make the quotation of this source less authoritative as regards the fact is being referred to (which is what Wikipedia is interested in, having it not an exegetic/critical aim... or has it?). Not to mention -re. the visibility factor- that Cambridge University Press and BBC (which I hope can be regarded as most reliable institutions) have repeatedly divulged thoughts and performances of Peter Bradley-Fulgoni without sparing space or time, and, when I listen to a concert on BBC3 or read an essay on a Cambridge Uni publication, I don't manage to think that the performer/author in question isn't benefiting by the most dazzling visibility an artist or an intellectual can be blessed with, and by a certification of quality intrinsic to the highest standards of efficiency -and consistently strict criteria of selection- which distinguish these institutions on an international level.
Therefore:
if we agree on the fact that being published by Cambridge Uni Press or recording for BBC, and giving recitals in Wigmore Hall, in Salle Cortot, in Richter's Memorial Apartment (a veritable shrine for pianists) is a garland of achievements which are synonym with prestige, please make your decision accordingly.
If instead you say that all the aforementioned achievements are of no interest because reported by unreliable sources (not third-party ones), I think a slight aporia is on the horizon:
in fact, you surely noticed that I used the Cambridge Uni Press/Cambridge Journals site to give evidence of PBF's essays (which are not about PBF, incidentally), and quoted the comments/captions by Cambridge Uni Press in the page (not the articles themselves by PBF) to give further evidence of some artistic achievements;
so, I'm perplexed by realising that, if it's common practice to consider artists objectively reliable when their work gets recognition by institutions such as Cambridge Uni or BBC, according to your suggestion, there are artists whose recognition on the part of such noteworthy institutions makes the institutions themselves unreliable ones (turning them into a primary party): how can this be possible? and, if it is, what are the criteria to tell the difference between the two categories of artists?
Grateful for your reply.
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  • DElete -- The article now has adequate sources, but his recordings are not for a major label. The giveaway seems to be near the end, where it indicates that he earns his living as a school teacher, but doing some concerts, rather than as a fulltime professional performer. Peterkingiron (talk) 22:50, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Not much discussion here, so calling this a

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Not notable local business. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 17:46, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jujutacular (talk) 15:05, 26 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Non-notable or marginally notable actor. The article says his "most notable" role is in The Ungodly but that role didn't even get screen credit according to the IMDB. A total of 8 listed roles, none of them major or even moderately important to the productions. The only significant online sources seem to be Wikipedia mirrors (in google books). Fails

WP:GNG. Tagged for notability issues form almost a year, and no better sources have been added. Delete unless significantly better sources can be provided. I declined an A7 speedy on this article, but only just barely. It is possible that there are better sources out there, but I will be surprised. DES (talk) 17:04, 13 September 2015 (UTC) DES (talk) 17:04, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply
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The result was speedily deleted by

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No sources found that indicate notability or even existence. I'm unable to find a use of the "Lacitpo Razal" name outside of this article and its mirrors. TheGGoose (talk) 16:29, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Randykitty (talk) 10:16, 29 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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I feel that the subject might be relevant for Wikipedia, as it seems like the subject has done some relevant work, but it seems like the article might be written by somebody very close to the subject or by the subject itself. Would like to have a debate about keeping the article or completely rewriting the article as it seems to contain puffery and limited objective sources. Sheroddy (talk) 15:37, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Courcelles (talk) 21:43, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Although sources are given in the article of the subject, I still feel that this article is more of a resume of someone who might be less notable than portrayed. Sources either do not contain info about the subject, or are somehow personally linked to the subject (e.g. own website, etc.). Would like a debate about the encyclopaedic relevance of this subject Sheroddy (talk) 15:30, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete This article would in any case need to be completely re-done because it does not follow Wiki-style; instead, the links are hyperlinks to pages of named organizations but with no mention of the person who is the subject of the article. That said, I could not find information about the person who is the subject of the article. My gut feeling is that this is a promotional piece written to bolster the WP article on his organization, Business_Services_Association. That latter article is also lacking in supporting sources and should probably be re-written or deleted. (They were created by the same WP editor.) LaMona (talk) 17:24, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • I completely agree with you, LaMona. The article about his company, Business Services Association, has been nominated before for deletion but was kept with a "week keep". Would it be possible to nominate that article for deletion again?--Sheroddy (talk) 18:12, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
      • It looks like the AfD for that article turned up some better sources, but those have not yet been added to the article. It is possible that the BSA is notable. I'll try to find time to look at the sources. It was AfD'd and kept just days ago, although there wasn't a great deal of discussion. LaMona (talk) 06:26, 16 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Correction, the AfD for the BSA was in June. Still recent, and was not improved. /me still looking at references. LaMona (talk) 06:29, 16 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. Consensus is for article retention. North America1000 06:52, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Dictionary article Rathfelder (talk) 13:46, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Randykitty (talk) 10:19, 29 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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A festival that has less than a year of existence can not yet be on an encyclopedia that lists only the knowledge already known, already notorious, especially perennial. No major national publications have been devoted to it. Too premature. Deleted in French Wikipedia (

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The result was delete. Courcelles (talk) 21:47, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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This centarian (not even a "supercentarian" for what that's worth) was the 2nd oldest man in the UK and allegedly was the oldest man in Scotland at the time of his death. However, for whatever reason, according to

WP:BLP1E article that may or may not even be accurate. Ricky81682 (talk) 07:07, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply
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Delete. Nearly every source here is an obituary, which means that the sources border on

WP:N. Per past AfD precedent, being the oldest "X" is not sufficient for a stand-alone article, and there is very little here of encyclopedic merit to justify a merge or redirect. Canadian Paul 18:24, 14 September 2015 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete. Sam Walton (talk) 18:04, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Sourced only to the network that employs her, spammy tone, dubious notability. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:20, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete: as per @Jimfbleak analysis. Quis separabit? 03:29, 23 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: I commented back in June during the first AfD that this article was relying too much on primary sources to try and establish Pamintuan's notability for a stand-alone Wikipedia article. At the time, I looked for more independent sources, but couldn't find any myself. So, I was willing to wait to see if someone else could before !voting in that AfD, but it was closed as a "no consensus". Since then nothing has really changed and better sources have not been provided, so I don't think this satisfies ]
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Kraxler (talk) 17:32, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Main notability as IMO coach, so needs independent reliable sources which talk about the subject in detail. Can't verify he passes

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The result was delete. Courcelles (talk) 21:48, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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I declined A7, because the size of the firm implies some importance. It would probably be possible to find sourcing, but this is clearly a directory entry by COI editors. DGG ( talk ) 05:06, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Kraxler (talk) 17:40, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Declined PROD, concern was: "not a directory, article written by paid contributor". I cannot confirm this was written by a paid contributor and there is some valid info there. May not be enough to constitute an article though. Jujutacular (talk) 02:23, 6 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. She played many roles in cinema and TV but the !voters are uncertain whether they pass

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Non-notable actress; fails

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  • Likely Delete as there's nothing to suggest outstanding attention with her longest role being 25 episodes of a 1994-95 series. SwisterTwister talk 06:14, 26 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - sometimes it's difficult to ascertain notability with marginal non-U.S. actors/actresses. Usually its a task to figure out whether the film they were in was notable. This actress appears to have had significant roles in several films, Café, coca y puro, ]
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The result was delete. Courcelles (talk) 21:48, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Fail Wikipedia:WikiProject Figure Skating/Notability Hergilei (talk) 01:49, 6 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Courcelles (talk) 21:48, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Courcelles (talk) 21:48, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Courcelles (talk) 21:49, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Fails Wikipedia:WikiProject Figure Skating/Notability Hergilei (talk) 01:41, 6 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. North America1000 06:55, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: as insufficiently notable broadcaster and television host. Quis separabit? 15:25, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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In addition to the above, there was also a fair bit of coverage for this incident, but it's debatable whether that adds to her notability. Jenks24 (talk) 15:17, 25 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Courcelles (talk) 21:50, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The notability and scope of this list are ill-defined, and I don't think it meets

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  • Delete per above comments. There is no value in allowing Wikipedia users to search for any particular type of bowler, they are all pretty much interchangeable. Also "fast" is a fuzzy concept, like tall, or old. Do we find Wikipedia articles describing people as fast bowlers, with a reference? Of course not. Also nobody could possible think of a way to exclude non-notable bowlers from such a list. Furthermore no reliable sources cover fast bowlers as a group. Siuenti (talk) 16:08, 25 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - "Fast" is undefinable. I suppose a list of the fastest measured 10 or whatever bowlers would be possible, but that would be generally regarded as fan cruft rather than an encyclopedic topic by many. Carrite (talk) 15:35, 26 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as
    listcruft. As mentioned above, "fast" isn't even well-defined, and it could be argued that many people on this list aren't fast, but medium-fast, and similarly that other people should be on there. Pointless list. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:22, 26 September 2015 (UTC)[reply
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Kraxler (talk) 17:55, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Atony

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Dictionary article Rathfelder (talk) 14:42, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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I'm not sure deleting this is a good idea. Medical conditions seem to me to be mostly a priori encyclopedic. The fact that an article does not at present contain more than a definition is not relevant. The relevant factor for deciding is whether the article could be expanded to say more about the subject. I think that is clearly the case here.--Srleffler (talk) 18:06, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Thanks for sifting through many of our smaller articles, Rathfelder, but I agree with Srleffler, this article is encyclopedic but not yet expanded. --]
I'm happy to keep it if there is more to be said on the subject.Rathfelder (talk) 08:50, 22 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to FK Berane. (non-admin closure) Kraxler (talk) 18:00, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

FK Napredak Berane

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Failed to pass

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The result was keep. (

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Not enough coverage in

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The result was delete. Courcelles (talk) 21:51, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Not enough coverage in

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  • Delete - while difficult to research, due to the plethora of other things/people/places with this same name, I couldn't find anything on the search engines which show that this group meets ]
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The result was redirect to

WP:NOTNEWS issue, as well as giving less weight to opinions on either side that are basically "keep/delete per x", but the end result is that relatively few participants here have made a cogent argument for why this is not the NOTNEWS case it appears to be. However, we don't have a very clear consensus for deletion either, and such incidents may well become more important later depending on what consequences, if any, they have. I'm therefore implementing this as a "soft" deletion by redirecting it to the appropriate parent article, to where content may be merged to the extent editorial consensus allows. The article may be editorially restored (and, if then still contested, be renominated for deletion) if, after an appropriate period of time on the order of months, new significant coverage in reliable sources indicates that the event is of a more lasting importance than is now apparent.  Sandstein  18:49, 29 September 2015 (UTC)[reply
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2015 Rosh HaShanah death by stone-throwing

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Both pr

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The article so far doesn't set the scene of the Al-Aqsa tensions. That can be added if non-partisan sources can be found '''tAD''' (talk) 21:46, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete/Merge into
    WP:NOTNEWS. It has no lasting impact by itself: the incident happened in East Jerusalem and was very likely influenced by the recent tensions over the Al-Aqsa mosque, many sources present it in this context. The increased penalties for rock-throwing etc. was already in the pipeline, see for instance the Haaretz article here. The proposed changes to the law go way back (see last November), and there was already a law passed in July. At most, this incident added fuel to the fire. Are we going to add an article for every criminal incident which happens in that area? Kingsindian  22:18, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply
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Please read carefully. Article, like the sources on which it is based, claims that this murder was an additional factor in a season of rising attacks on Jews with rocks and Molotov cocktails. It was an attack in which man was killed; an attack covered by newspapers around the world; an attack that the Prime Minister called "one stone too many"; and an attack, therefore, that became notable when it provided the incentive for emergency cabinet meetings to debate changing the rules of engagement for incidents in which young Arab men endanger lives by throwing rocks at moving cars and at people.E.M.Gregory (talk) 00:26, 21 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I have indeed read the article carefully, and more importantly, I have read the citations. All your points have been addressed in my justification. Kingsindian  09:45, 21 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

*Keep: Significant deadly rock attack covered by multiple reliable sources, just like

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Let's see. We should keep a
WP:MEMORIAL violation because there are already other similar memorial violations? Great argument, not. Zerotalk 23:07, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply
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Don't be disingenuous, Zero, as an experienced editor, you surely know that this is not in any sense a MEMORIAL page.E.M.Gregory (talk) 23:12, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
That is exactly what it is. The whole series of similar articles about individuals from one side of the conflict but almost never about individuals from the other side is an abuse of Wikipedia. And, yes, my long experience here makes this judgement easy. Zerotalk 00:38, 21 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
In other words, your argument is ]
What is with AfDs in this area that bring out people with 10 edits or so out of the woodwork to comment? Kingsindian  23:47, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps the perceived injustice of deleting an article with this level of sourcing and political impact inspires WP readers to become editors.E.M.Gregory (talk) 00:18, 21 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Or perhaps they are just sockpuppets. I am pretty sure that one is, like the horde of sockpuppets that disrupted your last AfD. (I am not accusing you of anything, just that the subject is similar). Kingsindian  08:58, 21 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
It is so funny how the usual editors have the usual opinions. But is is also good to see a few new editors, on both sides/opinions. Debresser (talk) 10:03, 24 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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I am sorry, the burden to demonstrate lasting impact is shouldered by the person creating the article.
WP:NOTNEWS is policy. One does not have a crystal ball to determine if some incident will be impactful in the future. I have already addressed the argument that this incident will by itself lead to changes in the law. Kingsindian  08:58, 21 September 2015 (UTC)[reply
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Your logic is flawed. 1. At this moment it is notable. 2. Maybe and if the law will not be changed, then it will change to be not notable. Ergo, there is no reason at this moment to say with certainty it will not be notable in the future. You reversed the burden of proof in
WP:CRYSTALBALL, which at the moment is on you to prove non-notability. Debresser (talk) 09:03, 21 September 2015 (UTC)[reply
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Sorry, what? The way to do it would be to create an article when it actually has lasting impact. That is what
WP:NOTNEWS is for. You are reversing the burden of proof, and making it impossible to shoulder it, since one cannot predict the future (my other point is that it is irrelevant whether the law is changed, see my response above). By your criteria, everything currently in the news cycle can be put on Wikipedia. This is absurd. Kingsindian  13:58, 21 September 2015 (UTC)[reply
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This is not the place to discuss user conduct, but I am reminded of the quote by Anatole France: "In its majestic equality, the law forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal loaves of bread." Guess which side engages in rock throwing in this conflict? A cursory look at the articles you have created is enough to see what is going on. It is ok to have POV and interests, but please don't insult my intelligence with such comments. Kingsindian 15:11, 21 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not blaming you, I'm sure you think you are making Wikipedia better, but I don't think it is the case that you "create articles irrespective of ethnicity, faith or other personal status attributes of the criminal". You have created
2003 Route 60 Hamas ambush, 2015 Shvut Rachel shooting and Kidnapping and murder of Moshe Tamam articles you created. Where are your articles about professional soldiers, border police, young Israeli men and woman using more refined and respectable methods (like bullets) to kill and injure human beings? If you enjoy writing articles, is there anything stopping you from trying to tackle some of those topics so that the systemic bias in Wikipedia's coverage is reduced? If there is, perhaps you should try figuring out what it is and getting rid of it before someone who cares decides to test whether ARBCOM are willing to block editors based on evidence of systematically biased editing in ARBPIA. Sean.hoyland - talk 15:52, 21 September 2015 (UTC)[reply
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Comment That explains it. You have worked hard, creating several articles, to try by interlinks, to push a thesis that stone-throwing by an unarmed occupied people against either settlers occupying their land or an army defending that theft is comparable if not identical to the murderous hooliganism evinced in Western countries. Thugs chucking rocks in Italy or the US are one thing, youths challenging a colonial power another.
criminal rock throwing is farcical because of the conceptual confusion between colonial resistance and infranational delinquency. This is the context (not a justification for the tragic incidents that obsess you - though the parallel to it all, the daily maiming or murder of young protestors by a professional army is of no interest whatsoever). Nishidani (talk) 21:03, 22 September 2015 (UTC)[reply
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WP:NPOV and double standards, please take a look at the number of articles in the same vein for Israeli civilians killed, and compare it to Palestinians. Kingsindian  00:41, 24 September 2015 (UTC)[reply
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@Kingsindian: The fact it was in the pipeline for very long time and got boosted after this event means it did have a direct affect. Personally, I wouldn't have started an article yet but some of the arguments for deletion are superficial (or less). How is this different than Duma in a meaningful way? The fact that stones are thrown at Israeli cars every day and now they got 'lucky' while extremists rarely put families houses on fire? 3 fatalities vs 1?
@Settleman: No, it was in the pipeline means that it was already going to be done, and the government (like every other in the world) will maybe use this to push the law through. As I said, it is a routine matter, and does not need a reason either (see the July Reuters report, for instance). As to your other comments, you say "I would not have started it", yet you !vote "Keep"? And you cite the Duma arson attack for this as some kind of "balance"? As the UN notes "Israeli settlers have perpetrated at least 142 attacks against Palestinians in occupied East Jerusalem/West Bank since the beginning of 2015". I am sure those articles are on Wikipedia, in contrast to the horde of similar articles like this. Kingsindian  13:33, 24 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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WP:OSE which is valid for this whole discussion. This article go beyond NEWS or MEMORIAL. Settleman (talk) 16:04, 24 September 2015 (UTC)[reply
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They not only talked about it, they passed the legislation in July, with sentences up to 20 years, as the Reuters source states. It is an absolutely routine matter, with roots going way back. See this article from last November. To claim that this incident is the cause of the proposed change in the law is disingenuous at best. Kingsindian  18:15, 24 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. The deletionists familiar with the I/P area refrain from jumping at every report of a murdered Palestinian to make articles on them. They regularly say in AdFs that this kind of

WP:NOTNEWS violation has one justification, pursing victimization theories for an ethnic party to the dispute. Were editors prepossessed by the propaganda possibilities of this abuse, you would see dozens of articles on Palestinians shot by IDF snipers, or seriously injured by settler stone-throwing written up to ostensibly 'balance' the POV thrust. Thankfully, no one follows the bad example being set here.Nishidani (talk) 10:04, 23 September 2015 (UTC)[reply
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Comment. Invalid parallel. The ]

Comment "youths challenging a colonial power another", etc. (@Nishidani)

Such comments seem me more suitable for forum desks than for Wiki's dicussion. Sorry. --Igorp_lj (talk) 12:15, 23 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Read some books (i.e. Ian Lustick). Wikipedia is optimally based on scholarship. That Isrfael's occupation is 'colonial' is a commonplace, not a point of view. When a state occupies another land, and begins to settle on its territory, in English as in all languages this is called 'colonization'. Ian Lustick has done a great 4 country study of the practice. read it.Nishidani (talk) 12:26, 23 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge or keep. Apparently, the murder of Israelis in attacks is not uncommon. Also, this is a great issue in Israel. However, could it be proved that the car's driver spun out of control because of the attacks? Epic Genius (talk) 13:02, 23 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Epicgenius, it can certailny be answered to the satisfaction of a trial judge, but not that in this case government authorities and all working journalists agree. (the only sourced uncertainty was in breaking news reports in the immediate aftermath). The sequence agreed upon by all sources is that this car was hit by thrown rocks; the driver lost control; the car crashed. The driver suffered both a heart attack and critical injuries in the crash. Nishdani is relying on a press report [38] dated to the hours immediately after the crash. It states that after the car was hit by rocks, the driver/victim "had convulsed before losing control of the car." This sort of course of events is not unusual: rock hits car, driver suffers shock or heart attack and steers wildly, or drives too fast, or jams the gas pedal - or the break, or has to reach across dead or wounded body to gain controls, or a critical mechanical element is hit making the car hard to steer, for any of these reasons or others he then loses control of car, and crashes. Know, however, that even when a heart attack is known to have followed rock throwing at a car but preceded crash an American or other Common Law court would rule second degree murder caused by rock throwing. Reasoning that shock rocks being thrown and hitting car caused a heart attack that led to the crash. Note: medical forensic evidence cannot establish precise moment of heart attack. i.e., the car could have crashed first causing the shocked driver to sustained a deadly heart attack. No autopsy will be able to fix timing whit this degree of precision. What Nishdani proposes (with flimsy-to-no support from sources - pure OR) is a distinction without a difference, since the rock hit first, it caused both heart attack and deadly injuries in crash, whether the crash or the heart attack happened first, a judge will assume that both were the result of being pelted with rocks. Once the car is hit by rocks, in the eyes of the law, the thrown rocks are the cause of death. Death by thrown rock. Note also that it is not necessary to have a heart attack, perfectly fit, experienced drivers swerve and crash after being hit by rocks.
  • I have twice had the experience of having been in the front seat of cars hit by rocks. Once on a major superhighway. Once in a dicey neighborhood in a city with a crime, gang and delinquency problem. One stone was hurled directly at me by a youth, one was kicked up by the wheels of an enormous truck moving at highway speeds. Swerve? Of course I swerved ! The rock hits, the window shatters, the impact jolts the whole vehicle, shards of glass hit your face, you try to stay at speed and in lane and if you are very, very lucky, if the rock hasn't smashed your face or hand, if you don't get rear-ended by the car behind you, and if, by God's grace, you swerve not into incoming traffic, but into a space not occupied by another vehicle or by a telephone pole, you may survive.
  • I follow these cases closely in recent years, and Nishdani's point is irrelevant. Whether the impact of the rock caused the driver to have a heart attack and then swerve, or to swerve, hit a post, and then have a heart attack doesn't matter - in both scenarios his death was caused by the thrown rock(s). As news reports agree. See: [39].E.M.Gregory (talk) 21:54, 23 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
To repeat E. M. Gregory is engaged in source distortion, repressing evidence uncomfortable for his premise, and misrepresenting my point. One of many examples.

'Nishdani is relying on a press report [1] dated to the hours immediately after the crash. It states that after the car was hit by rocks, the driver/victim "had convulsed before losing control of the car.'

False. I didn't rely on one press report, and the Ynet source in question (Roi Yanovsky, 'Driver dies in accident possibly caused by stone-throwing,') is not dated to 'the hours immediately after the incident' which occurred at 11 pm 13 of September
The Ynet article bears the timestamp 09.14.15, 19:0) 7 pm, i.e.20 hours after the incident. Within 45 minutes of Ynet's article we have
Nir Hasson's Haaretz article Driver in Jerusalem Car Crash Dies From Injuries; Police Suspect Stone-throwing Caused Crash 14 September 7:46 PM which reads

An Israeli man died Monday morning after sustaining critical wounds in a car crash in Jerusalem late Sunday night, which police suspect may have been caused by stone throwing. Police suspect 64-year-old Alexander Levlovitch lost control of the vehicle near the Palestinian neighborhood of Sur Baher in East Jerusalem when his car was hit by stones. The car then hit a power pole and landed in a ditch. Two passengers were lightly wounded in the crash.

The Ynet report 45 minutes earlier says much the same

Man returning from Rosh Hashanah dinner loses control of car; police investigate if crash was result of stones being thrown at car or if driver had heart attack. A man in Jerusalem was fatally wounded on Sunday night, the eve of Rosh Hashanah, when he lost control of his car after it was reportedly pelted with stones. The vehicle struck a power line and tumbled into a roadside ditch. Police said they were investigating if stones thrown at the car caused the accident. Jerusalem police said the passengers were returning from a Rosh Hashanah holiday dinner when they drove on a route on which Arabs were throwing stones. However, questioning of the other passengers suggested that the driver had convulsed before losing control of the car, and police decided to continue investigating the cause of the accident.

Note that however, which grammatically challenges the innuendo in the police's correlation of a possible link between stone-throwing and the accident. The 'however' cites the passengers' testimonies in the immediate aftermath of the crash, where they do not testify to rocks, but to convulsions. All later reports in newspaper drawing on this elementary data of course 'make a narrative' based on journalistic spin to reflect the political narrative, which in the immediate aftermath, despite police wariness, classified this as an ascertained stone-throwing episode.
A gag order was imposed on police investigations, so what had been collected in those 20 hours is what we have in these two articles from the two Israeli mainstream newspapers with the best reputation for 'balanced 'reportage.
The article is named 2015 Rosh HaShanah death by stone-throwing, which means that the article assumes what both the lead and the first main paragraph deny, since, after pressure from other editors, has now been altered to admit that sources state we are dealing with a suspicion, not a certainty. I don't know how E.M. Gregory manages to reconcile his title, which asserts as a fact just one of the hypotheses in the article, but one things is obvious even to blind Freddy and his dog. Until we have evidence or an official conclusion that this death was caused by rock throwing, posting the article was premature, for the simple reason that a possibility remains that the man may not have died as a result of a stone-throwing episode, but a car accident. If it was a car accident, it has no place here. If it is just a suspected stone-throwing incident, it has no place yet as an article.
The regular line-up of editors supporting the article have no answer to these problems, and neither does Gregory.Nishidani (talk) 12:49, 24 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Bullshit. Breaking news reports often get the details wrong. The Israeli government and the international and national press agree that this death/crash was caused by rocks thrown at the vehicle.E.M.Gregory (talk) 13:50, 24 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
'B. .'. . .In a cow's paddock. I provided evidence, and you come back with vituperation and an inconsequential assertion. Newspapers do not determine facts, ask the New York Times.
This is the page as you created it 3 days after those two articles, each written 20 hours after the incident, and each embodying what was known from enquiries before the Israeli gov placed a gag order on the investigation. As anyone can see, you totally ignored the major Israeli sources and used the New York Times’ piece for its headline, not its content, which is more nuanced:
Hadid Diaa wrote, like Nir Hasson and the Ynet journalists

A Jewish man died early Monday morning after attackers pelted the road he was driving on with rocks as he was returning home from a dinner celebrating Rosh Hashana, the Jewish New Year, . .Luba Samri, a police spokeswoman, said the rock-throwing appeared to have caused the accident but that “nothing is 100 percent sure”. The police, with a court’s permission, said no more details about the case could be published while an investigation was continuing.

Since 14th investigations are under a gag order, meaning 'no more details' will be forthcoming until a police report is made and magistrates' decisions are taken. The official government view clashes with what the investigative police say, and is a political point of view.
Worse still, you patently knew that even the sources you harvested contradicted your selective narrative.
You quote for this statement

'Levlovich lost control of his car when it was hit by rocks thrown by Arabs while driving on Asher Viner Street in East Jerusalem, near the Palestinian neighborhood of Sur Baher'

Barak Ravid Netanyahu Calls Emergency Meeting on Stone Throwing in Jerusalem
What Ravid wrote, apart from the Asher Viner Street, was

Discussion on 'war on stone throwing and fire bombs in Jerusalem and its vicinity' follows deadly car crash which police suspect may have been caused by stone throwing. . . The statement followed a deadly car crash in Jerusalem late on Sunday night, which police suspect took place after stones were thrown at the vehicle.

You write that the international press agree on the ‘facts’. Untrue. Your article cites Jack Moore's Newsweek article, which however states 3 days later,

'Hundreds of Israelis attended the funeral on Wednesday of a man who died in a car crash suspected to have been caused when stones were thrown at his vehicle. The incident occurred on Sunday as 64-year-old Alexander Levlovitz was traveling home after celebrating the beginning of Rosh Hashanah, the Jewish New Year.

This means the article was constructed in defiance both of the complexities of the reports you read, and that you are on a mission to make a statement about both Palestinians and realities with this nonsense. I asked you a direct question: how do you reconcile the title, which asserts as a fact what the body of the text admits is a working hypothesis. No flaming abuse please. Answer the questions.Nishidani (talk) 15:50, 24 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nishidani, you bolded so much text, that it is unclear what you want. In any case, this is material for the talkpage of that article, not for a deletion discussion. You only prove that this incident was reported in many sources. Debresser (talk) 16:06, 24 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I bolded the numerous texts from 14-17 September that said this was a suspected rock-attack. Since sources also say it is 'suspected' not proven, you cannot retain the title '2015 Rosh HaShanah death by stone-throwing'. If you do, the raison d'etre for the article collapses. That is what Gregory won't do, and what a remarkable number of editors refuse to see. Is that simple enough?Nishidani (talk) 16:45, 24 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I support name change. I don't see 'by stone-throwing' at
Deaths of Asher and Yonatan Palmer etc'. As for the suspicions, the stones are confirmed and the rest is integral part of the story. Settleman (talk) 17:45, 24 September 2015 (UTC)[reply
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@Nishidani I see. No problem here, per Settleman. Debresser (talk) 23:46, 24 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Settleman said:'the stones are
confirmed,' which in English means that rocks have been baptized into the Catholic faith. That is not an argument, and no link is made to evidence that police and magistrates have determined stones caused the incident. If I sight such evidence, I will race any other editor to enter it here or in related articles. This is about policy compliance, not competing passions about who is the victim, and memorializing victimhood.Nishidani (talk) 10:43, 25 September 2015 (UTC)[reply
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I don't think your consistent refusal to explain how you can justify even today editing in that this is an ascertained stone throwing attack, when several sources on the page saying that is a suspicion. Weaseling out of a legitimate query about a patent contradiction in an article you are responsible for by policy tags suggesting I hound you is itself s WP:AGF violation. The contradiction on the page and in your edits is there, verifiable, so answer the question.Nishidani (talk) 17:01, 25 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The recent change in Israeli law regarding the punishment for stone-throwers, which was still unsure at the beginning of this discussion and has now unanimously passed in the Israeli parliament, proves the impact of this incident. Debresser (talk) 23:56, 24 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

POV title? Debresser (talk) 17:40, 26 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Up until some hours ago the title was an example of
WP:CRYSTAL. Now that the police have arrested and formally charged 4 suspects, and leaked to the press the confessions at least one of them gave (the boy who threw that particular rock which caused Levlovitch's death), the title is 'vindicated', even if for a week it was a policy violation to frame it that way. Dovid, this is elementary.Nishidani (talk) 18:28, 26 September 2015 (UTC)[reply
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Nishidani, as somebody said here or on a related page: it doesn't matter if you die from the stone smashing your skull, the heart attack it gave you, or the car crash you went into because of it. In all these scenarios is would by murder by stone throwing. So I repeat, where is the POV? Debresser (talk) 21:27, 26 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oh for fuck's sake! If you are going to comment on anything Dovid, study it for Chrissake. Some notable reports initially said the car may have crashed from either rock throwing or from a heart attack. The gag rule came in, and several newspapers then said, 'rock=heart atytack = crash'. No one knew till yesterday. The title therefore is not POV now, as it was until yesterday. Jeezus, this is kindergarten ABC stuff!Nishidani (talk) 09:43, 27 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Roosh Hashanah rock attack is what the newspapers are calling it. Here is a google search on: "rosh hashanah" + rock + attack [42].E.M.Gregory (talk) 00:14, 27 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment as the arrests get national and international coverage [43], [44] and with the new legal measures enacted, I hope that some of the earlier editors who claimed lack of impact will rethink opinions that have proven to be unsupported. Here is today's short Washington Post/AP take on incident's impact: [45]..E.M.Gregory (talk) 00:09, 27 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Simply repeating your points does not make it any more convincing. The law was already being debated, and the proposal goes way back - since at least last November (see my first comment). There was a similar law passed in July, which increased maximum sentences. This increased the minimum sentence. Simply linking to newspaper reports on the followup (one for the crime, one for the arrests) does not make it any less
WP:MEMORIAL for a context-free discussion, without any serious discussion of the Al-Aqsa troubles, or the rock-throwing history. Kingsindian  04:52, 27 September 2015 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete. Courcelles (talk) 21:51, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: notable just for being the mother of Micky Ward and Dicky Eklund? I don't think so. Notability is not inherited, which is an established Wikipedia principle. Quis separabit? 14:35, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (

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Delete: as non-notable performer. Quis separabit? 10:46, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I did a Google search -- the only three reliable sources I came across were ([46], [47] and [48]). The first two are in Tagalog but apparently refer, respectively, to her longing to work with her idol (Vilma Santos) and to her being thankful for donations and support for her niece's illness (Friedrichs ataxia). The last, in English, is a couple of paragraphs detailing how she replaced another actress in a film role. Quis separabit? 12:14, 26 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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"She was notable since I was high school. The nominator is not Filipino is not familia[r] with the Filipino media" is not a valid argument or rationale and should be stricken. It is an absurd argument. Quis separabit? 12:02, 26 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete: as non-notable entertainer and councillor. Quis separabit? 10:43, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

·Keep:- sources available to attest notability.--Jondel (talk) 05:18, 25 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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I tried to redirect this to

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The result was speedy delete as

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Not enough sourcing to meet the notability guidelines for websites. Kelly hi! 09:26, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: It's certainly pretty unambiguously promotional, enough to where I'd speedy it under that criteria. It also doesn't help that the paper doesn't mention the site and the CM post only mentions the site briefly. Unless I can find a ton of coverage I'm going to likely speedy delete this as a promotional article. ]
  • There were some sources in the article history, namely this ABC link that looks to be a rehashed press release and this post which only mentions the site briefly. There's this SF Gate story that says the site was being shut down, but that's really not even remotely enough to warrant an article. If by some chance there are sources out there, this article would need to be TNT'd first. A search in Highbeam doesn't bring up much either, as the only mentions I can find are brief passing things that would make it a trivial source at best. The article has a definite problem with promotional speak and wording that might have been somewhat OK back in 2010, but is considered inappropriate nowadays. It's not bells and whistles and sparklers in your face promotional, but there are several ]
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The result was delete. Randykitty (talk) 10:31, 29 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Non-notable professional wrestler. Signing onto a development organization says nothing towards notability. No real coverage. Peter Rehse (talk) 10:19, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete Lacks significant independent coverage. Routine sports reporting is not enough to show notability. Participating in a development organization is not competing at the highest level. Jakejr (talk) 21:49, 17 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as per nom and Jakejr. AfD isn't based on timing or someone's view of eligibility, but on notability and suitability. Searches turned up nothing to show that this individual currently meets the notability criteria. Perhaps Userfy, since this might by a case of ]
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  • Delete Lots of routine sports reporting but that doesn't meet GNG. Applying the sports notability criteria (possibly a stretch for pro wrestling), he's not competing at the highest level. Astudent0 (talk) 17:17, 25 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Courcelles (talk) 21:52, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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reliable sources. Previous AFD in 2006 closed as no consensus -- 1Wiki8........................... (talk) 08:36, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete. -- RoySmith (talk) 01:33, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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WP:NOT - Wikipedia is not a mirror host. -- 1Wiki8........................... (talk) 07:39, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply
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The result was redirect to Veneration of the dead. None of the !voters recommends salting. (non-admin closure) Kraxler (talk) 18:42, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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There is already an article present, veneration of dead, which deals extensively with practices like this. A standalone article is not required. I would like to propose a deletion and perhaps salting so that we don't have to go through this again and again. FreeatlastChitchat (talk) 06:22, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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This user is a part of this band and is making articles for his non-notable bands. The article in question makes no claims of credibility. JTtheOG (talk) 04:49, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Mojo Hand (talk) 13:31, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

René Saldaña, Jr.

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Non-notable individual lacking non-trivial support. reddogsix (talk) 03:26, 6 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Courcelles (talk) 21:52, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Not notable enough as an independent article. There is already enough coverd in the article about the iTunes Store itself. --Proud User (talk) 02:29, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. sufficient consensus; no need to relist DGG ( talk ) 04:00, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Article of limited interest and notability. I'm putting it up here at AfD as I don't think it passes WP:GNG, and appears to violate WP:PROMOTION. Article's original creator appears to be the subject. Recent edits are about new contracts... New Media Theorist (talk) 05:26, 5 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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DGG Would you care to comment? SwisterTwister talk 03:20, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. North America1000 06:58, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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unable to find reliable citations for

WP:NOTABILITY and existing links are broken, no content updates since initial creation in 2008, original author contested speedy deletion on creation but has been inactive since 2009. Anyone else have better luck? - Alaynestone (talk) 02:08, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete. North America1000 18:16, 27 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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At first I wasn't convinced he actually existed but then I found these links that confirm he existed but not that this can be better notable and improved (this has existed since December 2004 when it was started by an IP). SwisterTwister talk 01:59, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (

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Delete or merge with Laura Ingalls Wilder or Little House on the Prairie -- 2nd nomination but there is simply no non-derivative notability in her own right. Sorry. Quis separabit? 01:09, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

·Keep:- sources provided to attest notability.--Jondel (talk) 05:38, 25 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Seems to be a case of

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Non-notable academic. The article is chock-full of citations, but few if any are independent sources of significant coverage that actually verify the facts at hand. Many of the citations are generic links to website front pages, rather than to any actual article about Nemer, and many are broken links. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 00:30, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply
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http://homes.soic.indiana.edu/dnemer/news/DavidNemerATribuna2013.pdf http://homes.soic.indiana.edu/dnemer/news/DavidNemerATribuna2010.pdf http://homes.soic.indiana.edu/dnemer/news/DavidNemerAGazeta2013.pdf http://homes.soic.indiana.edu/dnemer/news/DavidNemerAGazeta2006.pdf

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David Nemer has been to two talk shows in Brazil to talk about his research (Both links with video embedded):

  • Hi Lisamoore1313. I've taken a look at several of these references via google translate. Some of them only mention Nemer in passing and aren't helpful. As to the rest.... I've found it to be a useful exercise to write a new article such that every sentence has a citation that supports what is in that sentence, and only use third-party, reliable sources (as you're finding above). If you were to rewrite the article that way, it would be a lot shorter and the emphasis would probably be on what Nemer did to get the news coverage. Would you consider rewriting the article that way? You can knock that out in your "sandbox" (drop me note if you don't know what that means). Thanks! Lesser Cartographies (talk) 02:11, 29 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Lesser Cartographies: Hi and thanks for your help. Yes, I'd be willing to re-write the article and make it shorter. This is my first attempt to contribute to Wikipedia, and I really thought that Nemer would be "an easy sell" for the platform. I guess he still is, but I just did not do a good job with his description. I think I will need some help with the sandbox thing... is that supposed to be a draft / sketch ? Thanks once again. Lisamoore1313 (talk) 02:33, 29 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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WP:BIO. That contains the general notability guidelines. If you can fulfill those, your subject is notable. Lesser Cartographies (talk) 02:51, 29 September 2015 (UTC)[reply
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@Lesser Cartographies: Thanks LC! I will work on that tomorrow and I'll get back to you. Cheers!
  • ULTRA SPEEDY Delete Possibly the most self-serving and nauseating article I have seen on Wikipedia, at least recently. He's a mid-level computer scientist with a new professor gig. Not notable. Page reads like a resume written for prospective parents of the bride. I removed over a dozen reference links to his own web page. The page as a whole seems to be a very coordinated 'effort'. His Google scholar citations profile has him cited eighteen times in total, with an
    WP:PROF(at least yet), and b) you are not marrying my daughter. New Media Theorist (talk) 03:06, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply
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@New Media Theorist: I got most of the information on the wiki page from his own webpage, hence it may sound like a resume. However, if you read the news articles, his book, and watch the interviews, you will see that his page is way more than a "self-serving and nauseating article". He has done something that academics, specially new media theorists, fail to do, which is going beyond academia and making a difference in people's lives, especially those who suffer socioeconomic marginalization. You are referring to that article as if he is writing it... but it is me, you can refer directly to me! African american female writers can also contribute to wikipedia. Keep that in mind. You got rid of the Awards and Education sections, which is fine with me.. but before I wrote this article I looked at some other new media theorists' articles, and most of them have these sections. I'm not interested in your daughter by the way. I smell bias here! Lisamoore1313 (talk) 03:57, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Reply Hello
WP:SIGHOW
. This discussion is based on consensus and arguments. Over the course of about a week, more editors will add their appraisal of his notability. Once there are enough votes (you should vote, by putting your vote in bold, as I did for mine), an administrator will look at the votes and the arguments and determine what the consensus of the discussion was. The admin will then close the AfD, and wither delete, keep or redirect the page ads appropriate. You need not argue with me as I have made my decision regarding voting, but you can always argue with the other editors who come along.
Argument-wise, I would add the argument that he does not meet
WP:Author for one book with a few run-of-the-mill speaking engagements and reviews. Let's hear what others have to say. New Media Theorist (talk) 03:47, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply
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PS: I got rid of his awards section because it listed, and I kid you not, a $1500 scholarship and teaching assistantships. The whole section covered about five awards that were worth a total of $8600. These are standard awards that every graduate student gets. That is material for a resumé, and not a global encyclopedia. pages with a proper awards section have notable and significant awards.New Media Theorist (talk) 03:50, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
agree. I may have overreacted to the previous bloated version of the page. Changing to just plain delete, with the note that it is likely ]
Comment
WP:BITE. That said, I was talking about the article and of course not about the editor, to whom I was very helpful if you read my reply. My overreaction was voting speeding delete instead of delete. An article with a section on tiny student awards is certainly bloated. New Media Theorist (talk) 17:56, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply
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Comment ABF99, thanks for considering going through the references I have provided. A Tribuna and A Gazeta are the two largest newspapers in Vitória and in the state of Espírito Santo (where Nemer is from and did his research). Also, his research was the cover of Revista SIM, which is published by Record, the second largest news media conglomerate in Brazil (the largest is Globo). If you read the news articles you will see the actual impact that he, as an activist and scholar, has made there. Lisamoore1313 (talk) 01:03, 21 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment ABF99 New Media Theorist David Eppstein here's more evidence about the impact of Nemer's research - one of the first ethnographies of technology use in Favelas: http://www.rioonwatch.org/?p=20426 Also bare in mind that Nemer's field is ICT4D and Community Informatics, which are fields that have a larger impact among practitioners than theorists Lisamoore1313 (talk) 01:08, 21 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Another Article from Rio on Watch where Nemer's work is cited: http://www.rioonwatch.org/?p=21887 Lisamoore1313 (talk) 01:14, 21 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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WP:RS as it may help you to identify the sources that are the strongest among what you have found. New Media Theorist (talk) 01:47, 21 September 2015 (UTC)[reply
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Comment New Media Theorist Thanks for pointing it out, but I believe I have provided all kinds of reliable sources. As I have mentioned, the newspapers, magazine, and other websites (like Rio On Watch) have an editorial oversight. Could you let me know which sources you don't think are reliable? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lisamoore1313 (talkcontribs) 01:57, 21 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Nemer was invited to write columns in the local newspaper A Tribuna to talk about his research and technology and society, here's one of them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:DavidNemerColumn.pdf I have provided with reliable sources, as defined at
WP:RS, to support his article: News, Newspapers, Book, Scholarly work, and although he doesn't have any work on JStor, he has his work in the ACM digital library, Taylor & Francis, and other online repositories. Lisamoore1313 (talk) 02:26, 21 September 2015 (UTC)[reply
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  • Keep: Just like Lisamoore1313, I’m new to Wikipedia and since I have just returned backpacking through South America, I decided to contribute to Wikipedia by adding some accurate information I came across during my visits. I edited the wiki article about Vitoria, and by browsing around I found Nemer’s article – and to my surprise there’s a debate on whether of not an article about him should be included in Wikipedia. Here’s the explanation for my surprise. I spent 5 days in the city of Vitoria, and as every student traveling on shoestring, I was constantly after cheap and free services for 5 days. One of the free services I found was free access to the Internet and computer in the Telecenters of the city. Basically the Telecenters are free computer rooms with Internet that promote digital literacy programs in order to digitally include the poor population in Vitoria – the City Government funds them. The Telecenters are mostly located in poor neighborhoods, but I was using the one in the downtown area. The people that work in the Telecenters are really nice, and I was thanking them for their services and also mentioning that the Telecenter project is a really useful idea. The lady, who works there, mentioned that the current city government had decided to cancel the project and shut down the centers, which would have left the poor population pretty much with no Internet. But because of Nemer’s engagement, research, and willingness to speak in front of the local congress, he was able to convince local politicians to vote for the maintenance of the Telecenter project. I also came across his book Favela Digital, which there’s a copy of it in every Telecenter of the city – for his book, he recruited slum residents, trained them, and included them in the book project. These slum residents took most of the photos in the book, and after the book was done, they were able to get jobs in local communication agencies. I can’t seem to find a news article about it right now, but I’m sure there is something in the news about Nemer’s speech at the local congress. From what I have read here, yes, he is a young scholar and in the beginning of his academic career, but his civic engagements show us how relevant and notable his research and profile are. I don’t mean to compare him with anyone else, but Wikipedia has articles about Swedish porn stars (who have been to only 1 movie, by the way), and really young scholars. To my understanding, Nemer is not only a young scholar, but also civic activist and book writer, who has impacted not only people’s lives but general policies in Vitoria (and also affected my life a French woman backpacking through South America) - which is enough to be considered notable. I can read Portuguese, although I don’t consider myself fluent, but the articles provided by lisamoore1313 clearly state Nemer’s notability. I highly recommend you guys to take a look at the articles and hopefully reconsider your vote. J McCal (talk) 04:25, 21 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment ABF99 since the others have voted already, my experience might help you make a decision. — Preceding unsigned comment added by J McCal (talkcontribs) 04:34, 21 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: I agree with J McCal and thanks for sharing your story, although I contributed to Nemer's article I did not know some of the things you described. I believe Nemer fulfills the general notability guideline. He may be a young scholar, but he has been an activist for digital rights for quite some time. References that are present allow for enough information to be eligible for wikipedia. Verifiable objective evidence is included through the sources that are provided. The news articles, from the main newspapers in Vitoria, Brazil, show that he has been a person of public interest since 2006, thus he is just not an ephemeral person. I've been trying to address each comment here by providing more references and more proof of his notability. Nemer was also invited to do a showcase and exhibit (about his book) at the respected International Center of Photography (ICP) in New York (https://twitter.com/davidnemer/status/562601608840613888). Only renowned people like Sebastiao Salgado (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sebasti%C3%A3o_Salgado) have done it. Again, the sources presented here do not leave any doubt about Nemer's notability. I'm insisting about the sources because I really had to do some research to find the PDFs for printed newspapers. Lisamoore1313 (talk) 05:05, 21 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Reply David Eppstein I did some research and the LSE Reviews of Books, and from what I gathered their reviews have the same quality as the reviews published in journals. Their reviews have editorial oversight (http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/lsereviewofbooks/about-lserb/). Lisamoore1313 (talk) 05:13, 21 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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