Talk:Zechariah (New Testament figure)
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![]() | On 8 September 2021, it was proposed that this article be moved to Zechariah. The result of the discussion was not moved. |
![]() | On 8 August 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved to Zacharias. The result of the discussion was no consensus. |
Change of name from Zacharias
It may be better to use for this priest the common modern English spelling Zechariah both in the title and throughout this article. This spelling is used e.g. in the article
- Some of the information in this page conflicts with islamic information. John The Baptist (Yahya) was the son of Zachariah (Zekeriya) but this name (John) was given by God not by Elizabeth. It's also mentioned in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahya. 195.87.161.38 23:38, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
From a layman's perspective, I must state that Muslims I know refer to this individual as Zacharias and I may not have found this article but for this fact. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.81.252.12 (talk • contribs) 14:55, 20 July 2006
- Other Muslims use the name Zakariya. I have renamed the article following the first suggestion above, and set up a disambiguation page and redirects for Zacharias, Zakariya etc. Fayenatic london (talk) 21:04, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
from Pink: The name that Muslims use when referring to Prophet Zakariya is زكريا (za kaf ra ya alif). Would it be possible for someone to list the various spellings of the name in various languages as is done for other figures common to various religions? 66.112.51.45 (talk) 18:11, 19 March 2008 (UTC) Pink
- I'd agree if he was important to more than two religions. The Arabic is in the Islamic section at the end of this article. This Zechariah is not important to Jews, so the Hebrew is not given here, but it's at Zechariah (given name) and Zechariah (Hebrew prophet). That seems about right to me.
- By the way, what source are you quoting as "Pink", please? - Fayenatic (talk) 20:07, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Move in 2013
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Islamic view of Zechariah
Prophets in the Qur'an template should go the Islamic view of Zechariah article. The last paragraph has a link to this article (Zakariya), but we could add a "see also" link if someone sees it appropriate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oriolpont (talk • contribs) 09:18, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
- At the minimum this article should have a visible link to Islamic view of Zechariah, but it seems to me that the template should be restored as a concise and encyclopedic navigation aid. I think all the other articles on the template have it, apart from Jesus and Elisha from which it was recently removed without explanation by a one-edit anon. Restoring it in that article and this one, pending further discussion here. - Fayenatic (talk) 13:37, 7 October 2007 (UTC)]
- Islamic view of Zechariah, like Zechariah in Islam, now redirects to a specific section in this article. Leo1pard (talk) 04:04, 5 March 2018 (UTC)]
Baha'i faith
The Zechariah mentioned in Baha'u'llah's Summons of the Lord of Hosts is NOT this
Virgin Birth
Leslie Weatherhead suggests that Zechariah might have been the biological father of Jesus - see http://DLMcN.com/weatherhead.html ... Some members of the Unification Church subscribe to that view. Is that worth a mention? --DLMcN (talk) 04:44, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
- Sounds like ]
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References
- C.E. Bosworth, Encyclopaedia of Islam, Volume 9 (1997), page 261.
- MuslimArabic usage.
- ^ Burke, Aaron (2010), "The Transformation of Biblical and Syro-Palestinian Archaeology", in Levy, Thomas Evan (ed.), Historical Biblical Archaeology and the Future: The New Pragmatism, London: Equinox
- ISBN 978-0-19-517072-6
- ^ "The Levant Crisis: Syria, Iraq and the Region". Australian National University. 2015-12-11. Retrieved 2017-11-19.
Requested move 8 September 2021
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The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Vpab15 (talk) 16:16, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
– Primary topic and long term significance as the father of
]The hatnote would look something like this:
Requested move 8 August 2023
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The result of the move request was: no consensus. (closed by non-admin page mover) Vpab15 (talk) 16:23, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
- Strong oppose on two counts firstly the name is Zechariah in English. See NIV and other modern versions and also quality book sources. Secondly even if Zecharias were the English name the Zechariah in Luke wouldn't be PT. In ictu oculi (talk) 10:25, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
- @Iskandar323 (talk) 11:14, 8 August 2023 (UTC)]
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- Modern English has -h. In ictu oculi (talk) 16:08, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
- It's "Zacharias" with an "a" for the second letter, not just an "h". Iskandar323 (talk) 18:09, 9 August 2023 (UTC)]
- No it is not. Please look in modern English sources. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:41, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
- I haven't asserted that Zacharias is only called Zacharias and not Zechariah, only that where "Zacharias" appears that it predominantly refers to the figure in Luke. Yes, you can find Bible translations that use Zechariah for both, just as the King James Bible uses "Zacharias" for Luke, and "Zechariah" for "Zechariah". This doesn't relates to what the Iskandar323 (talk) 07:54, 10 August 2023 (UTC)]
- I haven't asserted that Zacharias is only called Zacharias and not Zechariah, only that where "Zacharias" appears that it predominantly refers to the figure in Luke. Yes, you can find Bible translations that use Zechariah for both, just as the King James Bible uses "Zacharias" for Luke, and "Zechariah" for "Zechariah". This doesn't relates to what the
- No it is not. Please look in modern English sources. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:41, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
- It's "Zacharias" with an "a" for the second letter, not just an "h".
- Modern English has -h. In ictu oculi (talk) 16:08, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
- Support. This was against my first inclination, since I would just call them both Zechariah. Many translations use "Zacharias" in Luke 1:67. Few use "Zacharias" in Zechariah 1:1. ]
- Useful site for comparing text versions :) I count exactly one instance of "Zacharias" out of the dozens of versions compared for Z1:1 ... Versus 16 hits (or what feels like about 50% of the versions) for Luke. Iskandar323 (talk) 21:49, 15 August 2023 (UTC)]
- Useful site for comparing text versions :) I count exactly one instance of "Zacharias" out of the dozens of versions compared for Z1:1 ... Versus 16 hits (or what feels like about 50% of the versions) for Luke.
- Relisting comment: Relist, to discuss whether "Zechariah" or "Zacharias" is the common name, and if it is Zechariah whether Zecharias is sufficient common to be used as natural disambiguation. BilledMammal (talk) 13:30, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose. "Zechariah" and "Zacharias" are the same name. Zacharias should perhaps redirect to Zechariah (given name). The OT Zechariah is Zacharias in the Vulgate and Douay-Rheims. And modern translations (NIV, ESV) favour Zechariah in the NT. Srnec (talk) 11:34, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
- One name is a variant spelling of/derived from the other, but the two names have highly divergent usage histories, both within and outside of the bible, that allows for natural disambiguation. Just as the list of people called Iskandar323 (talk) 11:54, 18 August 2023 (UTC)]
- Seriously, the English source. And different versions of a name are not necessarily "the same name." For example, I wouldn't call Joshua and Jesus the same name (though both come from Yehoshua). SilverLocust 💬 05:30, 23 August 2023 (UTC)]
- Ah, yes, that's a better example of a name with divergent forms. Iskandar323 (talk) 07:21, 23 August 2023 (UTC)]
- Ah, yes, that's a better example of a name with divergent forms.
- One name is a variant spelling of/derived from the other, but the two names have highly divergent usage histories, both within and outside of the bible, that allows for natural disambiguation. Just as the list of people called
- Comment: I've just posted this directly to various WikiProject talk pages/noticeboards for additional input, so if prospective closers could leave it for another day or two, that would be appreciated. Iskandar323 (talk) 07:27, 23 August 2023 (UTC)]
- Oppose Zacharias is also an alternative spelling for the Old Testament prophet, when Greek in rendered to English (like in the Septuagint). Right now, the page is already properly being disambiguated. Jerium (talk) 11:06, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
- @Iskandar323 (talk) 11:27, 23 August 2023 (UTC)]
- @
- I just don't see how your proposal is an improvement, it might be even more confusing for readers searching up for the prophet. Jerium (talk) 13:14, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
- The prophet's book itself is called the Iskandar323 (talk) 14:00, 23 August 2023 (UTC)]
- The prophet's book itself is called the
- I just don't see how your proposal is an improvement, it might be even more confusing for readers searching up for the prophet. Jerium (talk) 13:14, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
The redirect Zakariya(New Testament figure) has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 November 20 § Zakariya(New Testament figure) until a consensus is reached. Steel1943 (talk) 22:24, 20 November 2023 (UTC)