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Hello Casliber, and welcome to the 2014 WikiCup! Your submission page can be found here. The competition will begin at midnight tonight (UTC). There have been a few small changes from last year; the rules can be read in full at Wikipedia:WikiCup/Scoring, and the page also includes a summary of changes. One important rule to remember is that only content on which you have completed significant work, and nominated, in 2014 is eligible for points in the competition- the judges will be checking! As ever, this year's competition includes some younger editors. If you are a younger editor, you are certainly welcome, but we have written an advice page at Wikipedia:WikiCup/Advice for younger editors for you. Please do take a look. Any questions should be directed to one of the judges, or left on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup. Signups will close at the end of January, and the first round will end on 26 February; the 64 highest scorers at that time will make it to round 2. Good luck! J Milburn (talk · contribs), The ed17 (talk · contribs) and Miyagawa (talk · contribs) 17:32, 31 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello Casliber:
Thanks for all of your contributions to improve the encyclopedia for Wikipedia's readers, and have a happy and enjoyable New Year! Cheers, Northamerica1000(talk) 09:40, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]



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Thx - happy NY to you too. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:02, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted user

Re: User talk:Vanished user 19794758563875. I came across this administrator's account which has been deleted, presumably by the administrator moving their account to a different user name and deleting their own account. The user has a long contribution history. Surely, everyone should still be able to see the user's talk page including the archives and full edit history especially as the editor was an administrator. I think that administrator rights have been removed from this editor, but I am not certain. The edit summary of this file-move edit and many more show that the user was called User:KimvdLinde (User talk:KimvdLinde). Presumably, the user page and talk page should be moved back to the old name and restored. I came across a similar situation a few years ago when an administrator retired from the Wiki and deleted his account and subsequently his user page and user talk page were restored. I am not sure where to ask about this new case. Any suggestions? Snowman (talk) 15:13, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I have also asked User Anthony Appleyard, because it might need an edit history merge. Snowman (talk) 17:22, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Difficult situation - she is very knowledgeable about parrots and taxonomy/cladistics in general so ultimately I would be hoping that anything we can do to encourage her to come back is a good thing and anything that discourages her is a bad thing. I am not sure how she would feel about history merges. Right now the top priority would be maybe to encourage her by improving another parrot article, maybe parrot. I am friends with her elsewhere so can get in contact easily - I will ask her if she feels the taxonomy of parrots are settled enough to make it worthwhile working on the article for GA/FA status. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 22:22, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
That may be true, but it does not help with the issue of returning her moved and deleted user pages, which are important for the Wiki, even now that she has retired from editing. I think that this is especially important because she was an administrator and I think that the discussions that she had in her role as an administrator should be returned with the rest of her archives. I read somewhere that user accounts are not deleted. I would like to find out more about this situation. Snowman (talk) 23:00, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
See
Wikipedia:CSD#U1, which appears to say that user talk pages are not deleted. Snowman (talk) 23:15, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply
]
I think that the edits by User:EdwardsBot are not highly significant, but I think that they probably should be included for completion, and this was the history merge on User KimvLinde's talk page to the older edits that I mentioned. I linked "Talk:Animal models of depression" only because it showed in the edit summary that the actual editor was User KimvdLinde and I have not looked into the history of that article. I can not see the deleted files, but User KimvdLinde should have the talk page and talk page archives of a moderately busy editor somewhere. I would certainly request that User KimvdLinde Talk page and talk page archives are returned to their appropriate positions. It would be useful to see the User page also; however, if there are different guidelines on this for the user page and talk page, please let me know. I am not sure what has happened. Has her account been moved to "User talk:Vanished user 19794758563875I"? Where is User KimvdLinde's contribution history? I think that the vanished users contribution history needs moving back to KimvdLinde's account. I was not aware that User Casliber knows User KimvdLinde until I read the reply above. I suspect that it may be better if User Casliber did not deal with this.
Ok, am happy to keep out of this one. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 02:18, 2 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • If you click "User contributions" in the list of Tools on the left side of the screen when on the users talk page then you seed a long list of edits for the vanished user Special:Contributions/Vanished_user_19794758563875. Some of the edit histories for this list are clearly by user KimvdLinde, because it lists her name with file moves. She might of only done a few edits with that account, but I think that she moved her entire contribution history from KimvdLinde to the vanished user account. In contrast User KimvdLinde has no edits; see Special:Contributions/KimvdLinde, but she was a moderately busy user. The edits on a users talk page is a different list to the users contribution history. Do you see the problem? Snowman (talk) 14:09, 2 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Page Red-breasted parakeet's edit history includes an edit
    13:23, 6 March 2013‎ Vanished user 19794758563875 . . (KimvdLinde moved page Red-breasted parakeet to Red-breasted Parakeet over redirect: Per WP:BIRD naming and consistency with 10,000 plus bird articles.)
    It seems that one of:-
    1. She edited under the username "Vanished user 19794758563875" and edited the edit comment to change the username in it.
    2. If there is a way to change a user's username, that also changes occurrences of that username in edit comments.
  • There was a user called KimvdLinde and she was an administrator, so perhaps you can trace her from old lists of administrators. You can see some of her signed edits on many archived talk pages including this one Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Birds/Archive 43, with a simple search for "Kim" on the page. Back then she singed as "[[User:KimvdLinde|Kim van der Linde]] <sup>[[User talk:KimvdLinde|at venus]]</sup>" (note the piped link to User:KimvdLinde). I think that she moved her entire contribution history to the vanished user's account, so it all needs moving back to User:KimvdLinde's account. If you can trace when exactly the contribution history was moved, then it might be reasonable to leave a few recent contributions with the vanished users account, because they were made with that account. My assumption is that the vanished user's account is a second account belonging to User KimvdLinde, and if this is correct then the vanished user's account can be marked as a sock-puppet account or equivalent. I guess that a few of the most recent edits were done with the vanished user's account, but I am not certain. At one time, her user page at "User KimvdLinde" resembled a Wiki article and had an infobox as well. The infobox showed a picture of a woman holding something that looked like a sword. I recall informing her on her user talk page that having a User page that resembled a Wiki article was against the Wiki guidelines. Snowman (talk) 17:53, 2 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • There is more in this diff, where is appears that the vanished user appears to have signed as User KimvdLinde. There are also edit summaries which show this, so I think that I have conclusively proven that the contribution history that belonged to the account at User KimvdLinde was moved to the vanished user's account. Snowman (talk) 18:22, 2 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • A user's username can be changed: see Wikipedia:Changing username, but it needs Wikipedia:Bureaucrats status to do it. It could be that user KimvdLinde was renamed to Vanished_user_19794758563875 while remaining the same user, and if so, KimvdLinde's talk page and its subpages should be moved to Vanished_user_19794758563875 . Likely, if user X edits page Y, the resulting edit record in Y's edit history says that X did the edit, by a pointer pointing to X's entry in a list of users; and likely in some other places where it is recorded who did what. After user X is renamed as Z, any attempt to list page Y's edit history would show Z and not X as having made the edit in question. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 22:52, 2 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • The first section in this edit of User talk:KimvdLinde dated 16:47, 2 April 2012 (UTC) says that KimvdLinde retired from Wikipedia, and after that presumably her username was changed to a "Vanished user ..." name. It could be that, as she left Wikipedia by retiring and not by being barred, so her user and user talk pages were left where they were instead of being renamed with her new "Vanished user ..." username, and should be left where they are. Best ask a Bureaucrat here about what to do. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 23:47, 2 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Acting on advice in Wikipedia:Bureaucrats' noticeboard#A query about a "vanished user" I have moved KimvdLinde's talk page (and its archives) to Vanished user 19794758563875, where I have re-deleted then, as it was KimvdLinde's wish for her talk page to be deleted and for her "right to vanish" when she retired. See Wikipedia:Courtesy vanishing. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 10:25, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thank you for finding out about all that. I have not heard of a vanished user before. I plan to read about it and then perhaps comment about it again. Snowman (talk) 16:15, 4 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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