User talk:GoingBatty/Archive5

You may recall that some time back we were in contact regarding this artist: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Hodges_(artist). I am one of his representatives, and for some time now I have been seeing edits to his page, which quite frankly seem to be nothing more than a conspiracy against the artist, with edits removing important links pertaining to his awards and also editing his biographical information so as to render it inaccurate. For example, the biography now states that Hodges' father was a photographer, when it should state Hodges' father was a keen amateur photographer (his father was never engaged as a photographer!).

Unfortunately, I am no expert at editing Wikipedia and my last attempt led to abuse and insults from other editors who as I have said, seem to be on some kind of witch hunt against this artist. As such, I am wondering if you could add additional information as required, extracted from the links that I am posting here-under. Perhaps at that stage, you might also remove the latest flag that has been posted at the head of the page. I am also wondering as to why Hodges' profile photo was removed and why some images of his best known works cannot be included on the page (as is the case with numerous other artist's listings).

With regard to updates, Hodges was a featured artist at the 2012 Taiwan Photo Fair, when he showed his mixed-media works (part photographic/part digital art), which is another factor as to why Hodges is frequently being referred to as a "photographer" by these Wikipedia editors, when in-fact he works with a variety of media, including oils and sculpture.

In 2009 he was interviewed at the Cannes International Art Show: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8aijElB7gU (this may already be referenced in Wikipedia, to be honest I haven't checked)

This is Taiwan Photo in October 2012: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNF-sA8edLM

In January 2012 he also showed works in Cork Street, London, which is referenced here: http://theroamingeye.wordpress.com/2012/01/18/photo-shows-the-first-art-erotica-show-opens-in-london-tomorrow/

In June 2012 his work pertaining to Venice, Italy was also subject to an editorial: http://www.fearlesspress.com/2013/06/12/capturing-italy’s-long-history-of-eroticism-in-modern-art/

Towards the end of 2012, he was listed as one of 106 artists "super hot artists" by the prominent NYC based journalist, critic and collector Michael K. Corbin: http://artbookguy.com/106-super-hot-artists-_571.html. Michael also conducted an extensive interview, which can be found here: http://artbookguy.com/thomas-hodges-global-journey_563.html.

More recently (January 2014) Hodges work was shown as a backdrop to the event "World of Fashion", which is an integral part of Rome Fashion Week, at which time his latest major art project was announced, which is "Le Tre Grazie", and which being produced by Italian arts producer Bielle Re Srl. The latter will be officially announced at a major press conference in April 2014, and comprises 26 large format artworks, a video art and a published monograph of the series. The series is scheduled to open at a major Milan based gallery towards the end of this year, to a VIP guest list. The following links all pertain to the aforementioned (you will note that "H24 Notizie" which is a prominent news source in Italy, actually liken Hodges to famed photographer Helmut Newton):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sTcBWGjFhw

http://www.h24notizie.com/news/2014/01/27/videoaltaroma-world-fashion-moda-e-arte-per-una-magica-serata/

http://www.ilsecolonuovo.com/2014/02/01/a-roma-consensi-per-il-world-of-fashion-2014/

http://www.certinews.it/giuseppe-lepore-produce-thomas-hodges-primo-progetto-italia-per-un-artista-arcinoto-2/

http://www.laprovinciaonline.info/World-of-Fashion-2014-un-successo.html?var_mode=calcul

In addition to Hodges prominence as an artist, he also serves an art journalist, writing on a regular basis for the U.K. based arts blog AAD (Arts, Antiques and Design): http://www.art-antiques-design.net/content.cfm?cID=408. Also as a curator for ourselves (Expo-Arts Foundation) and additionally as an arts teacher. He has a very detailed LinkedIn profile where all of the above links (and others) can be found, together with a string of top-tier references. If you happen to be a member of LinkedIn, you should be able to access that information (http://www.linkedin.com/in/thodges) or otherwise a copy of his LinkedIn CV can be access via this link: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7561657/ThomasHodges.pdf.

One of the latest edits of Hodges page here on Wikipedia has deleted significant information on the basis that it only relates to blog references. That individual seems totally unaware of the significant importance and influence of blogs and bloggers, some of which enjoy international acclaim.

If you are able to update this artist's listing from the information I have provided above, it would be extremely helpful, especially as the artist is currently entering into a phase of his career that will trust him into the public eye (notably with the bench-mark series of works "Le Tre Grazie". As I say, I would do it myself, but a) I am not competent to do so, and b) I did not appreciate the harassment the previous occasion I endeavoured to do so.

On a final note, I am wondering if Wikipedia makes provision for recourse against editors who are seemingly acting vindictively against a specific listing, as seems to be the case here. Certainly many edits seem only intended to delete information, with others actually being amended to provide inaccurate information. Is there a process at my disposal that I can bring these unjust actions to somebody of a high importance in Wikipedia, or is Wikipedia ultimately just a database of worthless information, given that editors seem at liberty to delete and amend exactly as they wish, according to the mood and personal agenda of the individual concerned?

I appreciate what assistance and input you are able to provide and thank you in anticipation.

Expoarts (talk) 20:36, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

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assume good faith towards the volunteer editors here. I don't see any basis for classifying the edits of this one editor as a "conspiracy", "witch hunt" or "acting vindictively" in this case. Per Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide, the first place to post is the article's talk page: Talk:Thomas Hodges (artist)

. The guide does indicate where to go if civil discussion is not successful.

It appears that the picture of Hodges at

Help:Introduction to uploading images. If you are aware of free images on the internet that could be uploaded, try posting your suggestions on Talk:Thomas Hodges (artist)

.

In this edit, the editor removed statements saying that Hodges was interviewed by

reliable sources, and post a request on Talk:Thomas Hodges (artist) stating that you have a conflict of interest but would like information added to the article to demonstrate that Hodges meets Wikipedia's notability guideline for people

. Note that self-published YouTube videos don't count as reliable sources, but several of the other sources you provided may be more promising.

You mentioned that Hodges' father was an amateur photographer. I updated the article to make this clarification, but would be great if you had a reliable source that could be used to cite that piece of information. Similarly, it would be great if you had reliable sources for any of the facts labelled with [citation needed].

I'll add Hodges' article back to my watchlist, and keep an eye out for any inappropriate activities by other editors. Good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 22:16, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

@GoingBatty: Thank you for your feed-back. My comment about vindictive editing of this artist's page was not pertaining uniquely to the last edit, it was pertaining also to previous editors. I maintain my stance that numerous past comments and edits are biased. As such, I will check the guide you reference. Currently, and in comparison to numerous other similar pages, I can see no reason why this article in question should be flagged, as the notability of this artist is clearly proven. With regard to copyright of images, Hodges himself owns the copyright and he obviously consented to there use. As you suggest, I will bring this and other information to the attention of editors via the Talk:Thomas Hodges (artist) page. I will also enquire why the summary list of private collections was deleted. The videos I referred you to were not uploaded by Hodges himself (as is blatantly obvious from the video content), so I am at a loss to understand why you make reference to this? As I have stated, I am not an experienced editor of Wikipedia, nor do I have any interest in becoming so, but it seems to me that certain actions and edits defy basic common sense. My only interest is that this artist's page is displayed factually and accurately and that the prejudicial edits and flags be corrected. I will post information to Talk:Thomas Hodges (artist) as you suggest and await for somebody to make the changes. I will also check to see if and where I can assist with the citations.

Hodges' father was a keen amateur photographer who passed away in 1987. I find it unrealistic that you should suggest I might have a reliable source that could be used to site that information. Hodges is my source, as he obviously knew his own father! (again I have to question the logic of Wikipedia!)]

Thank you for adding this article to your watch list. Expoarts (talk) 20:56, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

@Expoarts: I looked at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8aijElB7gU which appears to be uploaded by Hodges. You're right that it's not intuitive that Hodges can't be directly used as a reference for his own article. Instead, if Hodges shares that information with "reliable, third-party, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy", we can then cite that published source. Making the change about Hodges' father from "photographer" to "amateur photographer" didn't seem like a big deal, so I made it without a source. However, the more sources you can provide, the better claim you'll be able to make that Hodges meets Wikipedia's notability requirements. Good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 21:39, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

@GoingBatty: There is a distinct difference between "self-published" and "uploaded". Whilst Hodges may have uploaded the video in question to his own YouTube page, he most certainly did not publish it (as is quite obvious, given that it is an interview with a television news channel). In whatever case, I have now posted the link to the original TVN posting of the video in question.

I have no idea as to the correct procedure to post to Talk:Thomas Hodges (artist), but I have posted as an edit to both the "Notability?" sections and the "Concerns about recent edits" sections. However, I don't know if these should be posted to the top or base of the existing comments. Perhaps you would be kind enough to take a look and advise if I have posted correctly?

As far as I can see, Hodges already meets Wikipedia's notability requirements and as such, the flag at the header of his page should be removed (and questionably should not have been put there in the first place).

I'm going to check other citation requests on the page and post whatever information into Talk:Thomas Hodges (artist), creating a new section. However, in the links I have already provided, in doing so, I have also provided requested citations. Thanks again for your assistance Expoarts (talk) 22:57, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

@Expoarts: I agree the original TVN posting gives a better appearance than a video Hodges uploaded himself. (I didn't watch the whole video - I stopped when I saw he uploaded it.) Since the previous discussions are now several years old, I moved your comments to new sections so they'll stand out. I'll also notify the editor who made the recent changes to the article that you've posted there. Thanks, and good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 01:11, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

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Thanks for your work to improve the sourcing and reference formatting in the Super Bowl XLVIII article. Northamerica1000^(talk) 04:10, 5 February 2014 (UTC)}}

Thanks! (now to find a towel...) GoingBatty (talk) 04:12, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Sure thing. Happy editing, Northamerica1000^(talk) 04:59, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Take a look at

• you might have some further ideas, but for now i have run my scripts on them. -- Ohc ^¡digame! 00:32, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

@BabbaQ and Launchballer: I've updated these pages as well - mostly updating the references. Reflinks does an OK job, but every suggestion it makes should be confirmed and fixed before saving the edits. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 02:30, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Take a look at Eva Rydberg and Sussie Eriksson. Cheers.--BabbaQ (talk) 15:47, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

I have created an article about Lexbase.--BabbaQ (talk) 19:56, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

@BabbaQ: I've looked at each of these articles and made some minor changes. What's the best way to deorphan Lexbase? GoingBatty (talk) 18:33, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

In this edit you fixed the problem using dmy when mdy or yyyy=mm-dd would have matched what already existed. Those are the common formats for US based articles. Given that the dates are already in mdy with a typo, it makes this all the more interesting. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:32, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

@Vegaswikian: Thanks for letting me know about my mistake. Following your lead, I've changed all the dates to mdy. GoingBatty (talk) 19:44, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Could you take a look at

 Done! GoingBatty (talk) 16:01, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

• I had an edit conflict with you. I tried correcting some of the collateral damage, but there seemed to be some I missed... -- Ohc ^¡digame! 16:08, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

@Ohconfucius: I think I fixed the rest.

@

MOS:SEASON, would it be possible to replace the seasons with specific months? GoingBatty (talk

) 16:22, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

@Ohconfucius: and Goingbatty sorry for asking you both at the same time. Causing this edit conflict :) Yes I will see what can be done :)--BabbaQ (talk) 16:39, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

• i changed one "autumn" to "March" because the source was so dated, but the other made no sense. -- Ohc ^¡digame! 00:42, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

I changed one "autumn" to "September", but don't know when the band decided to take their break in 2005, or when they would be back in 2007. Maybe BabbaQ could help with this. GoingBatty (talk) 00:49, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

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I have created an article about Tommy Zethraeus as I was surprised there was not one already. Take a look.--BabbaQ (talk) 17:09, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

 Done (but not much to do - nice job!) GoingBatty (talk) 02:11, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

I think if we get a few more disambiguators involved, we can accomplish a historic clearing-of the-board at Wikipedia:Disambiguation pages with links/February 2014. Jump in and help out? bd2412 T 17:23, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Hey, so they are two reliable sources for the film's gross:Box office Mojo and Boxoffice.com. And both of them differ. So I think we should list both of them, or if the viewer checks our article listing box office mojo and then sees boxoffice.com could get confused. And I'd recommend using a dollar sign before the film's gross as it does not have one right now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aqwertyabcd (talk • contribs) 12:49, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

@Aqwertyabcd: I found Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Film/Archive 46#Which box office number site that should be use for references. but didn't see a resolution anywhere. GoingBatty (talk) 16:02, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

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Thanks for fixing the redirect. Due to this I noticed that we have Template:WikiProject College football and Template:WikiProject College Basketball. We have to standardise them. I think the best approach is to use lowercase letters in both "college" and "football/basketball". what do you think? Rich Farmbrough is expert on this and could advice us. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:43, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

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Hello GoingBatty. You asked a very good question on the talk page of the Harp Twins. I just finished doing the research. Most of those "Single Releases" were made available for purchase on several websites, such as CDBaby, iTunes, and Amazon (plus they usually have a video) but I've detected three tracks that are on that list that have no video and were not made available for purchase either, but are merely on display on their SoundCloud page, so they should be taken out, I suppose. These are the three tracks that do not appear to be real singles since they were never sold:

Danny Boy

Rockin' Robin

Auld Lang Syne

I would have replied directly on the talk page but I agreed with Bgwhite not to edit the article (unless there is clear vandalism) or the talk page of the article. Here are all of the official singles (plus the two CDs) just in case you would like to double check, but I think I'm correct. Many thanks... Dontreader (talk) 03:17, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

@Dontreader: The CDBaby page is a good find, but it doesn't seem to back up the dates listed in the Wikipedia article. GoingBatty (talk) 03:34, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Right! This one should work, but of course you must click on each single. Thanks for your time. Dontreader (talk) 04:18, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your occasional kind courtesy to improve my articles in Wikipedia. Cheers! Ashishlohorung (talk) 02:09, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! GoingBatty (talk) 15:20, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

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Hi, re this edit. I'm certain that where the previous text was "designed the RD-1 KhZ auxiliary rocket motor", the SI

The Cyrillic alphabet doesn't have any letters resembling the Latin letter Z, so these are likely to be Latin-script representations of the Cyrillic letters. If we transliterate back from Latin letters K h Z to the nearest-equivalent Cyrillic letters we get

@Redrose64: Thanks for reverting my mistake and letting me know. I'm concerned that the next wikignome who does typo fixing will make a similar incorrect change. Normally I would add {{not a typo}}, but I'm hesitant to do so based on your statement that "KHZ or Khz might have been better". Suggestions? GoingBatty (talk) 01:11, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Well, I'm still trying to work out what "KhZ" actually means, although MilborneOne has left a plausible suggestion at User talk:Mjroots#Meaning of the abbreviation KhZ. If the casing shown in the source is definitely "KhZ" but the meaning unclear, we can use {{sic|Kh|Z}} → KhZ [sic]; and if we can positively identify the abbreviated term, we can link to that, maybe omit the {{sic}}. --Redrose64 (talk) 07:53, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

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Hi! I'm not familiar with

reliable sources that could be used for references, so an interested editor can improve the article. Good luck! GoingBatty (talk

) 23:52, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

The

Tyop Contest is over! Great job, everyone! Of the fourteen entrants, twelve fixed typos! The judges are very behind with the judging, but it will get done! Another note similar to this one will be sent out when the judging is complete to announce the winners. Check back again next January for the (hopeful) second running of the Tyop Contest, as this one went swell
Your judges, Jeffrd10 and Newyorkadam

Thanks to you for having the contest - look forward to the results, and to discussing future contests! GoingBatty (talk) 00:16, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Your edit at PoF noted.[2]. No objection, but as the piped link is to "Free will", and those words are hidden in the piping, I have made the link at the the words "free will" in the introductory sentence before the quote, in order to let the link be removed from "See also". Qexigator (talk) 06:54, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

@Qexigator: I agree - your edits are an improvement. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 10:47, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

I have posted a proposed update to Lear Corporation on the Talk page and noticed you were the last editor there...I am completely new to this and wanted to declare a potential conflict of interest, we are only interest in having a neutral POV update to replace out of date info. Any help would be most appreciated. Regards, Srkaminsk (talk) 17:45, 20 March 2014 (UTC)srkaminsk

 Done - see Talk:Lear Corporation. GoingBatty (talk) 02:04, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

I have just added a new link to the talk page of the above-referenced artist, which is the trailer of the latest documentary film on the artist. However, since we last communicated the page remains unchanged. No edits have been made and the page is still (wrongly in my opinion!) flagged.

Additionally, the edit of the artist's private works has still not been corrected, to read as it previously was (despite you saying you will notify the editor in question). I remain under the impression that this artist's page is being vindicated against. How do you suggest this situation be addressed, because as things currently stand, it is not acceptable? Expoarts (talk) 18:28, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

@Expoarts: I'm sorry that Sionk (or anyone else) didn't respond to your post. I added {{Request edit}} to your post in the hopes that it will draw some more attention to your request. GoingBatty (talk) 02:20, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, I hope this helps. I am confused how Wikipedia functions, what is to stop you making the edits yourself? Do the edits require specific editors? What is the usual procedure to ask for a page to be corrected when past edits have rendered it inaccurate? What is the time-frame one might expect to wait for such corrections to be made? Expoarts (talk) 21:16, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

I did not receive a reply to the questions I asked above and the page in question still requires correction and update. Thanks Expoarts (talk) 13:12, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

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WP:WikiProject Visual Arts

, so I hope Sionk has the expertise required to assist you. Since Sionk added the notability tag, I hope Sionk will continue to address your thorough responses. I don't feel that I'm knowledgeable enough in the world of art to be able to review the 13 links you posted, determine what is notable, and compose the information for the article. (Similarly, I don't make major revisions to articles about nuclear physics, ancient literature, or the Kardashians.)

There are over 60,000 articles with topics of unclear notability which date back to February 2008.

Other than the notability tag and the fact that the article could be expanded to include more information, the only sentence in the article that I remember you mentioning was inaccurate was about Hodges' father, which I have fixed. If there are other specific sentences in the article which are inaccurate, I suggest you start a new section on the talk page that include the specific sentence(s), your proposed revision(s), and any reliable sources that could be used for citations. Good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 00:10, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

I have replied to Sionk, although I am not optimistic that this will result in improvement of the article. I remain of the opinion that the edits of this page are prejudicial. Expoarts (talk) 09:45, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

I've copied the infobox from an accolades page Black Swan to another accolades page but when you click "show" it still pushes the main list down instead of opening to the side of it like it does on the Black Swan page. Here's the page I've added the infobox so you can see what I mean. Blue Jasmine Thanks for any assistance you can give. Cowlibob (talk) 14:56, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

@Cowlibob: The difference appears to be that List of accolades received by Black Swan has a section header called "Awards and Nominations", while List of accolades received by Blue Jasmine only has a header row called "Accolades". GoingBatty (talk) 16:29, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Not just the lack of a section header. You also need to remove the width="90%" from the {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" which initiates the main list. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:38, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

That's done the trick. Thanks to the both of you. :) Cowlibob (talk) 17:37, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Would you help me update and correct the entry called Edward McCrorie?

You have edited this entry once.

[email protected]

edwardpmccrorie.net

67.243.24.60 (talk) 17:56, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Could you please be more specific as to what you would like to be updated and corrected on Edward McCrorie? GoingBatty (talk) 23:26, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Can you help me change a typo-rule on svwiki (link)?

I need P3 Fredag to be an exception of the fredag$1-rule. (t) Josve05a (c) 18:56, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

@Josve05a: I'm happy to try to help. Could you please give me an example where AWB is incorrectly changing it, so I can test the proposed change? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 23:33, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

I don't remember which article(s) it was is, so I re-created it in my sandbox. (t) Josve05a (c) 23:35, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

@Josve05a:  Done! GoingBatty (talk) 01:13, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

This is regarding the "Notability" tag put on the Wikipedia page "PolymerUpdate" on 10 November 2013. It should be noted that the content on the page has thereafter been revised with links to online news sources, which contain mentions of "PolymerUpdate". Hence, please consider removing the tag. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 183.87.126.18 (talk) 06:15, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

I suggest you first add references to the History and Services sections, and then discuss the article's notability on the article's talk page. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 00:47, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

On 28 March 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Filippa Lagerbäck, which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Swedish fashion model Filippa Lagerbäck has hosted the Italian version of Candid Camera on RAI? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Filippa Lagerbäck. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 08:32, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

When you got the time please take a look at Filippa Lagerbäcks article that I created today.--BabbaQ (talk) 21:16, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

@BabbaQ:  Done! GoingBatty (talk) 23:00, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Please take a look at Dick Helander, Nancy Eriksson and Steffo Törnquist. I plan to nominate them all for DYK in the next coming days.--BabbaQ (talk) 15:25, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

@BabbaQ:  Done! Could you please look at the |author= parameters in the references on Steffo Törnquist? I think some of them may contain information unrelated to the author's name. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 21:04, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! Oh, yes I will take a look.--BabbaQ (talk) 21:05, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

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Please use the edit summary to explain your reasoning for the edit, or a summary of what the edit changes. Thanks! TheReferenceChecker (talk) 13:10, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

@TheReferenceChecker: Could you please provide an example of an AWB edit I made that does not have an edit summary?

Also, please remember to substitute the template using {{subst:uw-editsummary}} rather than {{uw-editsummary}}. You might also be interested in Wikipedia:Don't template the regulars. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 13:19, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

Do you have any interest in starting up BattyBot task 25 again to run through the CS1 date error category? Many thousands of articles have been added to the category by editors and by new date-checking code in the CS1 module. I see bot-fixable date errors every day.

I've been hoping that we would get some closure on the RfCs around month abbreviations and the YYYY-MM format, but it seems like those might take a while. I think you would need to comment out any fixes for month abbreviations and the YYYY-MM format so that they do not run. There are many citations that could be fixed even without those checks in place. Thanks for considering this request. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:43, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

@Jonesey95: - Good to hear from you! I'm disappointed that the RfCs aren't resolved yet, but happy to see you're getting closer to implementing better logic for the month/season/year ranges. I stated in several places that I would not run the BattyBot 25 until the RfC is done, so I'd have to figure out where I did that and see if anyone objects to running it after making sure that the bot did not change:

1. YYYY-MM → MMM YYYY
2. MMM. → MMM
3. Sept or Sept. → Sep

The first one is already commented out from User:BattyBot/CS1 errors-dates. The other two would require a considerable amount of time to carefully scrutinize and modify the code, as many rules were designed to remove the period and fix another error at the same time. GoingBatty (talk) 23:44, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

If it's too much trouble, don't bother. The RfC will be closed at some point. If the closure decision matches your code, no changes will be necessary. If not, you'll have to scrub through the code anyway, so you might as well wait. I just figured that if it were easy, we could get a few thousand citations fixed while we waited.

I too am looking forward to the better date range logic moving from the sandbox into the live code. Trappist the monk has done a super job with it. – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:06, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

We are not short of space in the reference sections. I already expand month names with

WP:MOSNUMscript, and I haven't had a single complaint about it. Seems like a simpler solution for you too for CS1 compliance. Regards, -- Ohc ^¡digame!

11:24, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

@

WP:MOSNUM says that some abbreviated dates are OK, I won't use the bot to change them. GoingBatty (talk

) 22:34, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

The month abbreviation RFC has been closed at Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Archive_151#RFC:_Month_abbreviations. The consensus was that month abbreviations should be three letters only, with no period (full stop) following the month. Thus conditions two and three above are valid changes.

The YYYY-MM RFC has also been closed. See

It looks like Task 25 can start again, if you have the time. From what I can see, there are tens of thousands of articles with citations that could be fixed by the bot. – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:29, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

@Jonesey95: - Yay! Bot restarted. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 16:20, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

So beautiful.... – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:09, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

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Iam the named person who is highly need help. I will be very glad if you share my complain to well-wishers. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.201.216.138 (talk) 17:22, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

I don't understand what you're asking for. GoingBatty (talk) 15:48, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Money? EEng (talk) 03:23, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

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Fixed back in March - thanks BracketBot! GoingBatty (talk) 23:38, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Do you want to be notified here or elsewhere when I notice that BattyBot Task 25 has paused/crashed/gone to sleep? It is paused now, and has been for over 24 hours. I don't want to be a bother, but if it is helpful, I'll keep an eye on the bot's progress. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:17, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

@Jonesey95: I am monitoring the bot too. I'm traveling for business now, so it will be a few days until I'm able to figure out what happened and restart the bot. Thanks for your patience. GoingBatty (talk) 21:08, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

I never realised what they say about playing mice (and absent cats) applies metaphorically to bots too... ;-) -- Ohc ^¡digame! 01:25, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Looks like a combination of a temporary wireless connection outage and someone unplugging my computer. Situation resolved, bot restarted. GoingBatty (talk) 23:40, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

I made a few more minor fixes to the article. GoingBatty (talk) 23:41, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Hello. Hope you're well. I've recently been trying to sort out this category: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Pages_with_URL_errors and am down to 3 now :). A common factor I seem to be encountering is that certain links without http:// or https:// in front of them don't hyperlink in references and by adding it, the url error is "fixed" (despite the url when clicked redirecting to the site without http:// in front).

I was wondering why some sites require http:// in front to be recognised whilst others don't. Cowlibob (talk) 16:45, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

(

https: should be used in front of the double slash varies, and is down to the individual website. Some permit only one, in which case it must be given in the correct form; some permit either, in which case it may be omitted. For a particular website, the choice of whether http: or https: is favoured normally depends upon whether they handle security-sensitive information or not. --Redrose64 (talk

) 18:52, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi, I started a request for a new database report here;Wikipedia talk:Database reports#Ambiguous citation dates, it doesn't look like that page gets many views though and it seemed like the kind of thing you might be interested in. My thoughts were that it could be used by a bot to correct 'ambiguous' access dates for citations before they actually become ambiguous. Jamesmcmahon0 (talk) 16:06, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Replied there - thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 03:19, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

I noticed that the bot, consolidated references into one named ref which is nice but the name it choose was name="http" which seems like a bad choice as it is harder for human editors to use and remember. I thought you might want to update the script to pick a more telling name, such as at least something after the .com part of the web address.

Also I accidentally posted this on the talk page of the bot first, I should read warnings more closely. There was no reason to stop it for this. I reverted quickly, but just wanted to let you know. XFEM Skier (talk) 15:00, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

@

this bug report for the AWB developers. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk

) 03:28, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

I have fixed a significant number of articles in this category for cricketers having |date=CrickrtArchive would be good if you could fix these to |publisher=CrickrtArchive automatically rather than manually. Looks like the same thing has been copied and pasted to many articles. Thanks. Keith D (talk) 20:18, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

I was unable to find "CrickrtArchive" (with an "r" misspelling), but there are about 250 articles with |date=CricketArchive. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:34, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

• I added that to my test script a few days ago, but it seems this subset of cs1 date error is a specific problematic that can be targeted in a special run of awb. -- Ohc ^¡digame! 00:24, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

@Keith D:, @Jonesey95: A lot of them must have been fixed already, because I could only find about 40 that had |date=CricketArchive in Category:CS1 errors: dates, which BattyBot has now fixed. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 03:16, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing and spotting my typo. I had no idea how many were left. Keith D (talk) 07:38, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Thank you very much! GoingBatty (talk) 16:21, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

According to this template, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cite_journal, year is only relevant for the Vancouver system? Edit in question = https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Barry_Commoner&diff=604894146&oldid=604656568

Similar discussion at User_talk:Bgwhite#AWB:_cite_book. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:43, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

@

AWB's general fixes. I'll let Magioladitis and the other AWB developers address this issue. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk

) 01:00, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Well, i understand year now, it refers to just the year. Another change you made from publisher to work, well i really don't care about the naming so i will try to use your bot version then.

prokaryotes (talk

) 01:04, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

In the bot edit, changing |date= to |year= shouldn't have any visible impact on the page. However, my script-assisted edit which changed from |publisher= to |work= adds the appropriate italics per

MOS:ITALICS. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk

) 01:07, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

@

Prokaryotes: Per Wikipedia talk:AutoWikiBrowser#Cite book date - Year, the AWB software was just updated so it does not |date= to |year=. I have installed the newest SVN to take advantage of this update. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk

) 19:42, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

 Done GoingBatty (talk) 20:44, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

My apologies. From the difference view (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_37%27s&curid=2953967&diff=605505897&oldid=605470584), it looks like the edit's being made to the info box. My mistake. — fourthords | =Λ= | 21:16, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

No worries - happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 21:18, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

This edit shows a slight opportunity for enhancement in BattyBot task 25. – Jonesey95 (talk) 05:22, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

BattyBot intentionally doesn't change the month/day "1" to "01" because it could be "10"-"19". I've used WikiBlame and fixed these manually. GoingBatty (talk) 13:27, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

This one also. – Jonesey95 (talk) 05:26, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

 Done - thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 13:37, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

It looks like BattyBot has passed through all articles up to those starting with "Do..", so on the assumption that anything left behind earlier in the alphabet is fair game for additions to the code, here are a few suggestions:

•  Not done 1. |date=undated from Cuban cuisine. Replace with "n.d."
•  Not done 2. |date=N/A from The Curse of El Charro. Replace with "n.d."
•  Not done 3. |date=date unknown from Curtis Island (Maine). Replace with "n.d."
•  Done 4. |date=Wed, 13 June 2012 08:05:00 from Cuba–Indonesia relations
•  Done 5. |accessdate= 3–3–2013 ) from Cultural genocide. En dashes in the date, and also the month and year are the same, so it can safely be reformatted to YYYY-MM-DD.
•  Not done 6. |date=2010-03 from Cultural Olympiad Digital Edition. The second two digits are less than the last two digits of the four-digit number, so it can be presumed to be YYYY-MM, not YYYY-YY. Change YYYY-XX to MMM YYYY where XX is 01 through 12 and XX is equal to or less than the last two digits of YYYY.
•  Done 7. | year=1843-1856 from Cupido myrrha. Replace hyphen with en dash.
•  Done 8. | date= 10 Jult 2012 from Culture of Brazil. Typo in month.
•  Done 9. |date=April 18,1955 from Curt Roberts. Add space.

Comments welcome. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:04, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

I have a script that I was using for a while that fixed year range dates when the separator was not an endash. I've never really liked the notion of year ranges in citations unless the two years a one year apart (Winter 2013–2014). Out there is article space there are date ranges where the two years are 5, 10, 15 and more years apart. I've seen date ranges as large as 212 years. When date ranges are large, you have to wonder exactly what the editor intended. Is the range really valid? Is it a combination of original publication date and a more recent publication date? I think that rather more care is required in fixing year range dates than at first appears necessary.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 20:54, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Most of the year ranges I see are for older works that were published in multiple volumes over a period of years. I agree that if you're citing a specific source for a specific fact, you should say which volume you got it from and cite the publication year of that volume, but editors often put citation templates for multi-volume works in "Further Reading" sections.

One that stumps me is web sites that do not date-stamp individual pages. Sometimes the only thing to go on is the "Copyright 2006–2013" at the bottom of the page. That information in the date field, plus an accessdate, gives future readers and editors a clue about the timing of the source's creation. I don't think leaving that information out is helpful, so we might as well format it nicely.

But please don't get me started on the on-line scientific databases that explicitly tell readers to cite their publication date as "2006 onwards". That's just frustrating. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:17, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

• Suggested typo fix for month name here and here. Very broad yet no false positives so far. -- Ohc ^¡digame! 12:34, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

A few more, again assuming that the bot has been past these articles on the current pass:

•  Done 10. |accessdate="2009-05-31" from Fairport, New York. Remove quotation marks.
•  Not done 11. |accessdate= 18 June, 2009 from Family Affair (Philip Bailey album). Remove comma.
•  Done 12. |accessdate=March 21, 2011/ from Family Compact. Remove trailing slash.
•  Done 13. |date=Winter, 1963/1964) from Fabian Society. Remove trailing parenthesis, remove comma, change slash to en dash.
•  Done 14. |date=(Spring, 1966) from Fabian Society. Remove parentheses and comma.

It seems like #11 was already addressed in the bot code a long time ago, so maybe the alphabetical sorting in the category is different from the sorting that the bot is using. – Jonesey95 (talk) 23:48, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

• As I've been adjusting my script in the course of working from the cs1 date errors category, you may find rules there among the recent changes to said script (particularly in the "fix common error" section) that can be used by your bot. -- Ohc ^¡digame! 00:04, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
•  Not done 15.|accessdate=20070930 from Arnos Grove.
•  Done 16.|date=CricketArchive from Christopher Finegan.
•  Not done 17.|date=ca.19 December 2000 from Christian Manfredini

-- Ohc ^¡digame! 03:42, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks to everyone for the suggestions. I've done two of them. What is the correct fix for #17? I will look at the others suggestions in the next few days. GoingBatty (talk) 03:54, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Note that #1-3 are not done because I don't think "n.d." is very clear. I tried to start a discussion about this at Module_talk:Citation/CS1/Archive_9#date=undated, but didn't get consensus to change anything about the error message (maybe because I didn't state my opinion). GoingBatty (talk) 04:17, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Note also that #6 is not done because Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Dates_and_numbers#Rfc:_Is_YYYY-MM_an_acceptable_date_format.3F_Part_4 was closed stating "There is no consensus that YYYY-MM is an acceptable format, nor any consensus that it is an unacceptable format. I would recommend against any mass changes being made purely on the basis of this RfC." GoingBatty (talk) 04:20, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

I don't like "n.d." either. Style guides recommend it, but it's too jargony for me. "undated" or "no date" seems much clearer. Resolution might require shopping the question over at the MOSDATE talk page, although you never know what you're going to get over there.

The fix for #17 is |date=c. 19 December 2000; letter c, full stop, space, per

WP:DATEOTHER/Uncertain.... – Jonesey95 (talk

) 13:00, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

@Jonesey95: |date=c. 19 December 2000 still gives a CS1 error. I think resolution to both issues will require support from Trappist the monk. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 14:02, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

The topic of no-date dates was first raised as part of the early date checking discussions. It was there that we seem to have settled on using the format specified by external style guides.

Circa usage examples in

WP:DATEOTHER/Uncertain; in {{circa}}; and in circa are all associated with years, which I think is the generally accepted convention. For this reason, Module:Citation/CS1

allows circa only when used with years and only in |date= or |year=.

I think that I'd be very skeptical of a citation that is linked to a url that points to a file called 1337.zip.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 15:00, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

1. 4, 5, 7, 9, 12, 13, 14 done. #10 not done - don't know how to escape the quotation mark symbol. #11 not done because the bot will not fix citation templates that contain another template. #15 not done because it's already fixed. #17 not done per above conversation. GoingBatty (talk) 01:54, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

I don't know anything about C# but if it's anything like C, you escape a quote mark like this: \"

—Trappist the monk (talk) 03:14, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

That works for lots of other characters, but not for quotation marks. GoingBatty (talk) 14:05, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

A few seconds in Google found this page about C# strings (at §Literals). There they say that to escape quotes, double them " → "". Does that work?

—Trappist the monk (talk) 15:18, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

@Trappist the monk: It works great - #10 is now done. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 03:02, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi. Hope you're well. I was wondering if it was possible to implement an automatic http:// or https:// in front of links without them via a bot or something. It would solve so many url errors which occur because some websites don't have them, people copy the link and wiki doesn't recognise it.Cowlibob (talk) 15:04, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

@

URI scheme. GoingBatty (talk

) 15:50, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

I see. At least, it's now a manageable amount.Cowlibob (talk) 21:21, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the invite, but DC is probably a bit too far for me. GoingBatty (talk) 16:03, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

@Djembayz: However, I might be available to attend online in the future. GoingBatty (talk) 20:18, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Online works too ... it gives the folks organizing events a boost to have people supporting them on their topics. Although, of course, we're all curious to meet someone as prolific as you in person! Djembayz (talk) 23:46, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

@Djembayz: Part of that appearance of being prolific is that I prefer to make lots of small edits, which is especially valuable at edit-a-thons to prevent cases like this where one editor wipes out the work of another editor due to being unable to resolve edit conflicts. You might want to stress that more at future events. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 00:13, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Seems this edit was a case of GIGO. Perhaps another syntax correction for your bot to look out for? Dl2000 (talk) 02:14, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

That's what happens when you have a chain of unsupervised automated "fixes". Here's the original, using |accessdate=February 5<sup>th</sup> 2009 |date=February 21<sup>st</sup> 2007; the first amendment, giving |accessdate=5 February<sup>th</sup> 2009 |date=21 February<sup>st</sup> 2007; and the second amendment, which simply removed the <sup></sup> and was the last before the edit in question. --Redrose64 (talk) 08:19, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Yes, need to reorder the regex so that stripping of the superscripting goes earlier in the sequence of operations. -- Ohc ^¡digame! 01:31, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

@Redrose64: Thanks for doing the research!

@Dl2000: Could you please double check that the script you used in the first amendment back in 2011 now strips the superscripts properly?

@Ohconfucius: Not sure if your comment if this is an early version of your script. Thanks everyone! GoingBatty (talk) 01:36, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Possibly, I was merely responding to the above comments. Apologies if this has been fixed, but then I'm not able to look at the bot module. -- Ohc ^¡digame! 01:40, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

You actually can look at my bot module - see User:BattyBot/CS1 errors-dates. However, it was the 2011 script (unrelated to BattyBot) that caused the initial problem, so the issue should be fixed there. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 01:46, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

From sandbox testing on an old version, the current script from my end seems to render a proper result, stripping superscripts then ordinals. Dl2000 (talk) 01:51, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Ah, right. Silly me for not looking at what happened more thoroughly. My script doesn't fix this either, so I'll tweak it accordingly. Regards, -- Ohc ^¡digame! 01:56, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Greetings fellow disambiguator! Remember back in February when we made history by clearing the board for the first time ever, for the monthly disambiguation contest? Let's do it again in May! I personally will be aiming to lead the board next month, but for anyone who thinks they can put in a better effort, I will give a $10 Amazon gift card to any editor who scores more disambiguation points in May. Also, I will be setting up a one-day contest later in the month, and will try to set up more prizes and other ways to make this a fun and productive month. Cheers! bd2412 T 18:48, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Woo hoo - thanks for the invite! GoingBatty (talk) 00:11, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Indeed - it's going to be quite a party! bd2412 T 13:51, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

BattyBot changed the title of some British legislation here. I don't think changing dates in running text is in BattyBot's remit, so I presume this edit was due to insufficient examination of AWB general fixes.

Note that according to

@

AWB bug report. Just for good measure, I also submitted this request to have Ohconfucius update his script. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk

) 02:25, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Ohconfucius quickly updated his script. It seems that the text "Observance of 5th November Act" is only used in five articles. AWB doesn't change Observance of 5th November Act 1605 or the three articles where the only text is a wikilink. AWB only changes Guy Fawkes Night because the text is used multiple times without duplicate wikilinks (as expected). Thanks again! GoingBatty (talk) 02:49, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Just made some other manual changes to harmonize the reference format in the article. GoingBatty (talk) 03:20, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

After reviewing Guy Fawkes Night, it seems that most of the citations are using {{Citation}}. It seems to me BattyBot should do some kind of count of the various kinds of citations in the article, and unless the vast majority of them belong to the Citation Style 1 family, it should just leave the article unchanged. Jc3s5h (talk) 15:21, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Can you please explain your logic? Invalid dates in {{citation}} cause the same red error messages as invalid dates in other CS1 cite templates, as far as I can tell. I must be missing something. – Jonesey95 (talk) 03:18, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Citation Style 1 has become a recognized style, and the dates valid for that style have been discussed and a consensus formed at Help:Citation Style 1. There is no recent discussion of date format for the Citation style, and the only documentation is at Template:Citation/doc#Date. Therefore the format conventions agreed to for Citation Style 1 have not been agreed to for Citation. Jc3s5h (talk) 17:03, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

BattyBot has been approved to fix the dates in citation templates to remove the red Check date values error messages, which will remove the article from Category:CS1 errors: dates. If a decision is made to change the error messages so they do not appear in {{citation}} templates, I will modify the bot so it will not edit {{citation}} templates. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 02:55, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I am honestly just not seeing the distinction that Jc3s5h is trying to make. As far as I can tell, {{citation}} and {{cite book}} and {{cite web}} and all of the other citation templates that use Module:Citation/CS1 to render the citations share the same documentation and the same error messages. The documentation for {{citation}} says "If invoked with the right parameters, this template produces output identical to that of the Cite templates, such as {{Cite book}} and {{Cite web}}." This output includes the red error messages that BattyBot is fixing. What am I missing? – Jonesey95 (talk) 05:11, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

The fact that the present code for Citation and CS1 could produce identical rendering is of little importance. Nobody does that. Historically, the two styles did not share the same code. Different groups of editors tend to prefer the two styles. Ordinarily, articles that use Citation templates have citations that look different from articles that use CS1. The documentation is not the same. The date related error messages have not been turned on, so editors who like to use the Citation templates are not likely to be aware that some people think the dates they are putting in are erroneous. Jc3s5h (talk) 05:28, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

Historically (by which I mean more than 6-7 years ago), no; but since {{citation/core}} was created in January 2007, there has been a gradual convergence - for example, this edit of November 2008 caused {{cite book}} to share the same underlying code as {{citation}}. --Redrose64 (talk) 10:18, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

I think the difference today is greater than Redrose64 is describing, because of the connotation of commas vs. periods as separators in printed style guides. The comma separator is associated with footnotes or endnotes; the only popular style guide I know of that uses footnotes for citations is the Chicago Manual of Style (Chicago also offers parenthetical referencing as an alternative). Periods as separators, in every printed style guide I can think of, are associated with parenthetical referencing.

As a result, people familiar with citations from their experience outside Wikipedia are likely to think of the CS1 custom of jamming together endnotes with periods as separators as strange. Despite using the same underlying machinery, I think CS1 and Citation are likely to be perceived as two entirely different systems by those familiar with the various citation systems out in the world.

That said, there is no reason we can't take an example from Chicago. In their latest edition (16th) they have tried to make their footnote system more compatible with their parenthetical system, by making the order of the elements more similar, and making the way individual elements are written more similar. Also, they have reduced the redundancy between the two systems; most of the documentation is contained in the footnote chapter, which is 6 mm thick. The parenthetical reference chapter now merely describes the aspects of parenthetical referencing that are different from footnotes, and is only 1 mm thick. We could certainly follow that lead, if the users of the Citation templates are willing. Jc3s5h (talk) 13:30, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

By "a gradual convergence" I didn't mean that they became (or are now) identical: some differences do remain, such as the use of commas or periods for separators, as you mention. But those differences are slight, and are mainly aesthetic: the underlying code for organising the various pieces of useful information (authors, title, date, publisher, page, etc.) into a defined order is identical, because it's all in Module:Citation/CS1 and its submodules. Since the introduction of Lua, it has become easier to perform validation of certain data - whether this be ensuring that dates are sensible, ISBNs are valid, or that mutually-exclusive parameters are not used together (e.g. |author1= with |last1=) - and it is sensible to apply such validation wherever applicable. It shouldn't matter whether the outside world uses {{citation}}, {{cite book}} or {{cite web}} - if, for example, the template has been given |date=32 Juny 2015, the error should be pointed out sooner rather than later. --Redrose64 (talk) 14:11, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

Since

Template talk:Citation#RFC: Same_rules for CS1 and Citation, I suggest that the conversation be continued there. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk

) 23:02, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

Kristen Stewart- Charity work.  In

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Vq1VhDvoIqM

http://thecelebritycafe.com/feature/2013/09/kristen-stewart-surprisingly-charitable

http://thecelebritycafe.com/feature/2013/09/celebrity-philanthropist-kristen-stewart

http://www.mtv.com/news/1656131/kristen-stewart-wants-to-set-up-charity-for-sex-workers/

https://www.looktothestars.org/celebrity/kristen-stewart

http://hollywoodlife.com/2012/12/27/celebrity-charities-most-charitable-celebs-hollywood-justin-bieber/#  — Preceding unsigned comment added by EmmaNjeru89 (talk • contribs) 20:47, 2 May 2014 (UTC) 

@

multiple discussion pages. --Redrose64 (talk

) 21:51, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

Dear Investigation Discovery,     In care of True Crime with Aphrodite Jones, my name is Michael McKinney. I am writing this letter with the hopes that I may receive the help that me and my family have been searching for, for over 35yrs. The matter that we are bringing to your attention is the story of my brother, Anthony McKinney. A story in which started on September 15, 1978. My brother Anthony was 18yrs old at the time. We lived in Harvey IL, a south suburb of Chicago. We had only lived there for 4yrs. It was a neighborhood, racial transition. We were one of the first black families to make a transition. I Michael McKinney, was 17 at the time. The night of September 15, the night a championship fight was taking place between Muhammad Ali and Leon Spinks; Ali was attempting to make history winning the title for the 3rd time. There was also a house party being held in our neighborhood that night. We were all excited about the fight and the party after the fight. When the fight ended, Anthony left home; where he had been watching the fight with my father, and my father's friend Donell Hood at are home which was located on 151st Loomis. When Anthony arrived at the party, which was on 154th Myrtle one block west of Loomis, he encountered 16 guys from the other side of town. A week or so prior to this night, Anthony had had an altercation with one of these guys, getting the best of him.  That guy came back that night with his friends to get revenge against Anthony. As the 16 guys begin to jump Anthony, two girls, one name Sarah Campbell and the other Sherri Allen came between Anthony and the gang, giving Anthony the opportunity to run away. Anthony ran towards our home on Loomis. Once he got to 153rd Loomis, with the gang still chasing him, he jumped into the yard of one of the ladies in the neighborhood name Mrs. Sasco, pleading to her for help. She informed him to run around the corner to the police, where they had gathered for an incident that happened in the neighborhood that night; Anthony had no knowledge of knowing what occurred. The incident, was that a security guard name Donald Lundahl, had been shot and killed while on duty in his car; in front of the Masonic Temple, that was located on 153rd Lexington, one block east of Loomis. Anthony jumped out of Mrs. Sasco fence, running towards where the police cars were located, encountering a detective name Coleman McCarthy. McCarthy had Anthony placed in a squad car and taken to the station, supposedly for his protection from the gang. Anthony was question about the incident of the security guard, held overnight, then released the next morning. Three days later, September 19th, while getting his hair braided at a friend's house name Eleanor Logan, located on 153rd Lexington right across the steer where the incident happened, Anthony was arrested at gunpoint by detective McCarthy and also by detective Tim Morrison. He was taken to Harvey police station, where he was threatened and beaten by the two detectives and forced to sign a statement implicating himself in the armed robbery and murder of the security guard. Despite no physical evidence, no murder weapon, and although fingerprints were found at the scene but did not belong to Anthony. January 1982, despite not having any criminal background and no history of violence, Anthony was convicted based on two coerced testimonies of two 16yr old boys. Dennis Pettis and Wayne Phillips. Anthony was sentenced to life without parole. Anthony was not only my brother but he was my best friend. Hid conviction left me crushed, and my mother and father devastated, and tore away the fabric of my family which had already been destroyed by the death of my other brother Robert 3yrs before. But 20yrs later, it seemed that tide of justice have began to swing our way, with a chance encountered between me and the states only witness to testify against Anthony; Mr. Wayne Phillips, which took place in a doctor's office in 1999. Mr Phillips broke down crying in that doctor's office admitting to me and two other people that were there, the guilt that he felt for falsely testifying against my brother Anthony. Not knowing what to do about what I just experienced, I did the only thing I knew to do. Despite not seeing Anthony for over 20 years, I went to visit him at Dixon Correctional Center in Dixon IL, and shortly after my visit, I began my own investigation into my brother's case. After discovering other evidence to prove Anthony innocence, I sought help from the Innocence Project at Northwestern University and Mr. David Protess. After proceeding with their own investigation in 2002, they uncovered evidence as well to prove Anthony's innocence of this crime. In 2009, they petitioned the court of a new trial based on this evidence and a new trial was granted, but the state's attorney of IL, Anita Alvarez, caused a delay in trial for matters having nothing to do with Anthony's case. Causing a 5yr delay which proved to be the devastating last straw because on August 27th, 2013, I received a call from the Warden of Dixon Correctional Center, informing me that my brother Anthony McKinney had been found dead alone in his cell. As I mentioned in the beginning of this letter, me and my family, despite our devastation, have been on a quest to prove my brothers innocence, and bring justice to his name. This is the purpose of this letter to you; and I hopes that you would choose our story to air on your program; With the hopes that the truth will finally be told and bring justice in hopes for our family. For more information you can contact the North western Innocence Project. They have taped confessions and further evidence. Thank You in advance and God Bless You. Again my name is Michael McKinney. P.S. I hope and I pray to hear from you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.129.119.226 (talk) 21:41, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

Hi Michael - I'm not with Investigation Discovery - try visiting http://www.investigationdiscovery.com - Good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 00:32, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

Here's another batch of proposed items to fix:

• 1. |accessdate=23 tháng 4 năm 2008 from Da Nang International Airport. Vietnamese.

• 2. |date=December, 3&4, 1978| from Alfredo Da Silva. En dash, remove comma.

• 3. |year = , 1994 from Dacian language. Remove comma.

• 4. |date=April 27, 1945-June 11, 1958 | from Dachau trials. Spaced en dash.

•  Done 5. |date= Posted on November 16, 2012 | from Dactyloidae. Remove "Posted on".

• 6. |date=MArch 14-21, 2011| from Dag Hammarskjöld. Can you create a regex to capture and correct any mixed capitalization like MARCH, MAy, or jUNE?

•  Done 7. |date=(n. d.)| from Daejeon. Remove parentheses.

•  Done 8. |publication-date=19. Sep. 1989 | from Dai-Ichi Kangyo Bank.

•  Done 9. |date=October 12-17, 2008, from Dagangshan Dam.

•  Done 10. | date = 22 March 2007 update from Aunt Dahlia. The word "update" adds no value to this parameter value.

•  Done 11. |date = Tuesday, November 5th 2002 at 4:22pm| from Daily Sun (Warner Robins, Georgia).

•  Done 12. | date = Winter 2004--2005 from Daina Taimina. En dash.

•  Done 13. |accessdate=Feb 14 , 2014| from Dale Marshall (painter). Remove extra space.

• 14. | date = 2007-12-03 cover date| from Daleks in Manhattan. Remove "cover date".

•  Done 15. | year=Dec 18 – 31, 2004 from Dalit Bahujan Shramik Union.

• 16. | date = Saturday, 30 September 2006, 19:39 GMT 20:39 UK from Damage to Baghdad during the Iraq War.

•  Done 17. |accessdate=<26 January 2010 from Damage to infrastructure in the 2010 Haiti earthquake. Stray lt.

• 18. |date=23 Mai 2012 13:20 from Damien Boudjemaa. Time and foreign month.

•  Done 19. |accessdate=23 Auguast 2009 from Damián Díaz. Month typo.

I may have time for more soon. In the meantime, it seems like it might be a good idea for BattyBot to run through the category every couple of days, even in the absence of new rules. People are adding messy dates all the time, and if BattyBot can correct them shortly after their addition, the editors may see the fixes on their watchlists and avoid making similar errors.

The bot may want to wait some period of time after the most recent edit (if it does not do so already) in order to reduce potential edit conflicts. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:40, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

@Jonesey95: Thanks for the list. Many are done now, will look at the rest later. GoingBatty (talk) 01:35, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

I've noticed quite a few cs1 errors are due to uncertainty as to the dates, or maybe some attempt to create notation within the field: typically "1998?", "2013*", "199?". What to do with these? Using "c.1998" also causes error message. What's the suggested solution for these? -- Ohc ^¡digame! 01:58, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

@Ohconfucius: |date=c. 1998 (with a space) should work for the first. GoingBatty (talk) 02:18, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

I've skipped those for now, focusing only on dates that I believe are clearly fixable by the bot. I believe that once the bot is done and in maintenance mode, we'll be left with about 50,000 articles, and we'll be able to have a robust discussion about the variety of dates marked with error messages. I hope that we can come up with a consensus way of dealing with "date=1998, 2005" or "date=1995 (reprint 2005)", because there sure are a lot of those out there. I also wish there were consensus about allowing "undated" or something other than the reader-hostile but style-guide-approved "n. d." for undated sources.

I wonder if we can get a magic database dump of all of the date errors and analyze how many there are of each type. (It's magic to me because I don't know how to do it; see also

Clarke's Third Law.) – Jonesey95 (talk

) 05:54, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

@Jonesey95: I believe Rjwilmsi suggested the same thing a while back. Maybe Rjwilmsi would be willing to help with this. GoingBatty (talk) 18:14, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

I have sent "BattyBot" an email regarding this page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Darby_Brind. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Acjones49 (talk • contribs) 19:56, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

@Acjones49: BattyBot and I have made fixes to hundreds of thousands of Wikipedia pages. Neither of us knows anything about William Darby Brind. GoingBatty (talk) 20:04, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

BattyBot task 25 is doing an amazing job! It has passed through the entire date category and has fixed over 30,000 articles in the last couple of weeks. As it starts on its next pass today, with updated rules, I thought I would look through a few more articles for potential fixes. They are few and far between. I had to look at about 600 articles to find these. I found the same error in multiple articles only three times, so these errors are pretty rare.

•  Done 1. |date=April 23, 2007| from 2005 Kazakhstan Hockey Cup. Remove italic markers.
•  Done 2. |accessdate=28 augustus 2012 from 2005 KNSB Dutch Single Distance Championships. Also in Aan de Amsterdamse grachten. Dutch?
•  Done 3. |date=February 12, [[2005 NLL season|2005]]| from 2005 Philadelphia Wings season. There are at least a dozen articles with this pattern.
•  Done 4. |accessdate = 2009-02-07\ from A Few Small Repairs. Remove backslash.
•  Done 5. | accessdate=on Friday, August 23, 2013 at 9:33 PM Arizona Time from A Fine Mess (film). I don't know if this is doable with code.
•  Done 6. |date=4 Feberuary 2010 from A Good Day for the Wind to Blow. Typo in month name.
•  Done 7. |year=2006= | from A Good Man. Remove stray "=". Note that this is in {{Cite AV media notes}}, a new CS1 template.
•  Done 8. |accessdate= 2007-06-16) from A Mighty Heart (film). Remove closing parenthesis. I found another one in A-11 offense.
•  Not done 9. |accessdate=09:48, 26 June 2011 (UTC) from A Rainbow in Curved Air.
•  Done 10. |accessdate=8 Junes 2012 from A Sound Like Someone Trying Not to Make a Sound. Typo in month name.
•  Not done 11. |accessdate=18 march 2012 from A Thousand Suns. Capitalize month.
•  Done 12. |year=Sept. 2013| from A Very Private Plot. Change year= to date=, also correct month name and period. Also in A12 scale.
•  Done 13. |date="2009-11-10| from A Wilhelm Scream (EP). Remove leading quotation mark.
•  Done 14. |date=2012-06-19 (GMT +9)| from A-Jax (band).
•  Not done 15. |accessdate=30 മാർച്ച് 2014| from A.T. Pathrose. Malayam?
•  Done 16. |date=August 9, 2007 :| from Aastha TV. Stray colon.
•  Not done 17. | accessdate=October 08, 2013 from Ab-Soul discography. Not sure why this one was missed. I think this pattern is in the code already.
•  Not done 18. |date=15 Juni 1996| from Abbasalutely.
•  Done 19. {{NHLE |num=1082707|desc=Abberley Clock Tower|grade=II*|accessdate=01 October 2013}} from Abberley Clock Tower. Note NHLE template, which transcludes {{citation}}. I found two or three of these.
•  Done 20. |date=2012/10/22/ from Abbottabad Commission Report. Convert to YYYY-MM-DD, remove trailing slash.

Comments welcome. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:42, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

@Jonesey95: Thanks for the great list! Most have been added to BattyBot's code, except #9, 11, 17, 18 (each had a template within the citation template, so I fixed them manually), #13 (don't know how to escape quotation marks, so I fixed it manually) and #15 (the Malayalam calendar is based on the zodiac, so there isn't a one-to-one conversion for months). Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 15:31, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

So did you confirm that the double double-quote escape sequence ("") does not work in AWB modules?

—Trappist the monk (talk) 16:13, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

@Trappist the monk: Thanks for the reminder - the double quotes work great! #13 is now done. GoingBatty (talk) 03:06, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Some more:

•  Done 21. |date=28 augusti 2009| from Bad bank. Swedish, I believe. This might be helpful if you haven't found it yet.

•  Not done 22. |date=December–January 2011| from Backpack journalism. Paging Trappist the monk, this might be fixable with code in the CS1 module. The original source says that the date of the issue is "December/January 2011", to which I make a confused face.

•  Done 23. |date=[[March 2002|March]]–April 2002| from Background of the Russo-Georgian war.

•  Done 24. | date=Septemper 28, 2011 | from Back in the Crowd.

•  Done 25. | year=1999.| from Bacillus thuringiensis.

•  Done 26. |date=Sep 01–14, 2001 from Babu (title).

•  Done 27. | date = 6:48pm UK, Monday January 25, 2010 from Babel Hotel.

•  Done 28. |date=Sep 01–14, 2001 from Babu (title).

•  Done 29. |accessdate=April 5, 2013 at 11.30 AM IST from Baadshah (2013 film).

•  Done 30. |date=July?August 2008 from Baghouse. Editor mistyped "?" instead of "/" (same key on keyboard). Change to "–".

•  Done 31. |year=1873-92 from Bahá'í divisions. I feel like this one is already in the bot's code. What am I missing? I don't see any templates in the citation, which is usually the cause of easy edits not being made.

•  Done 32. | date = July 18- July 31, 2002 from Baigong Pipes.

•  Done 33. |date=Last modified 2011-06-27 from Baikal Bullfinch.

•  Done 34. |year=2002年| from Baimaqiao, Ningxiang. The character appears to mean "year".

•  Done 35. | accessdate =09 November 2013 from Baja California leopard lizard. This one is in {{IUCN}}, which transcludes {{cite web}}.

•  Done 36. |date=January - March 1982 from Bajaur casket. This one should be in the code already; I don't know why it was missed.

•  Done 37. |accessdate=16 May 2013- from Bajloor Rashid.

•  Done 38. |accessdate=18-02-2012 from John Arthur Wright. Unambiguous day, month, and year. Editor clearly wanted the YYYY-MM-DD format.

Comments and questions welcome. Thanks for your diligent work. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:19, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Re number 22. I think its a valid error. December is either in 2010 in which case the year is wrong, or it's in 2011 in which case the right-to-left, earlier-to-later order is wrong.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 18:38, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

I don't think the bot should guess if this means Dec 2010-Jan 2011 or Dec 2011-Jan 2012 or something else. GoingBatty (talk) 18:56, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

For #25 and #36 see

Wikipedia talk:AutoWikiBrowser/Bugs#Issue with Skip only genfixes. GoingBatty (talk

) 20:35, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

@

Australian Dictionary of Biography}}. Thanks for the list - keep 'em coming! GoingBatty (talk

) 23:50, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Well done! I sometimes wish I could stop them from coming, because it would mean that we had found all of the bot-fixable errors and could finally expose these date errors. Unfortunately (or maybe fortunately), every time I follow behind BattyBot and look at a couple hundred articles, I find more bot-fixable errors (and I see that you have added a few yourself that were not in the lists above). We haven't hit bottom yet; the bot's last pass after adding errors 1–20 above edited over 2,400 articles. That's not bad for an hour or two of human prep work. – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:28, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

It looks like this latest round of additions resulted in fixes to about 1,700 articles. I'll look for another batch when I have time later this week. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:36, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

• Reference dates containing "&nbsp;" throw up errors. And I'm not sure you ought to be converting dd-mm-yyyy (including the slash variants) to yyyy-mm-dd and mm-dd-yyyy to yyyy-mm-dd. I reckon the month name should be substituted, certainly for the slash dates (but that means the codes will become more complex or voluminous). -- Ohc ^¡digame! 05:08, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

@Ohconfucius: The bot has many rules to replace "&nbsp;" with regular spaces. I decided that the bot should convert dates that are all numeric as yyyy-mm-dd, since the original editor didn't want to use the month name. After that, whether they should be changed to use the month name really depends on how they article's editors want to unify the date formats in the article. GoingBatty (talk) 20:59, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

This is wrong, sorry. In the field of fighting forest fires -- perhaps this particular phrase is only used in Australia, I'm not sure -- "blacking out" is "making sure a that a contained or checked fire does not restart". If the firefighters had been experiencing syncope, they would not have been able to rescue an individual koala. DS (talk) 22:16, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

@DragonflySixtyseven: Thanks for catching my mistake. I've removed the ambiguous wikilink and added your definition for clarity. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 22:23, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

Please be aware that the information on the wiki page regarding Mr Cleary is false. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.14.89.153 (talk) 08:01, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

I suggest you create a new section at Talk:Peter Cleary that details what information in the article is false, the true information that should be added, and references that can be used to cite the information you are providing. Good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 12:41, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Please check this edit for a possible bug in BattyBot task 25. – Jonesey95 (talk) 07:02, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

@Jonesey95: Thanks for the note - Facepalm - I've fixed the bot's rules. GoingBatty (talk) 13:47, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

No apparent date edit here. There is a date error, but the bot didn't seem to fix it. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:56, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

@Jonesey95: Yes, I can get AWB to skip when only genfixes are done, but not skip when only genfixes and tagging are done. In this case, AWB added {{uncategorized}}. GoingBatty (talk) 17:58, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Got it. Feel free to trout me when I report this same thing again. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:05, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank you so much for cleaning up the references in the article; it is a great improvement. I was too tired to think to name the references to the report to cut down on multiple listings of the same reference. I have one small quibble, however, which I feel is something your bot is designed to do. There is a reference which cites a publication that specifically uses the format "May/Jun" as the date of publication; you changed it to "May-Jun". Since this is directly from the publication, can we make an exception to

@D'Ranged 1: Love the user name! Thanks for dropping me a note. The goal of BattyBot is to do the minor cleanup of the dates in references before they get tagged with big red Check date values error messages. Help:Citation Style 1#CS1 compliance with Wikipedia's Manual of Style shows examples of certain acceptable styles, and specifically says that using "/" in ranges is not supported, even though the publication may have a different style. You're welcome to discuss this at Help talk:Citation Style 1, as you're not the first to have this concern. Thanks, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 01:32, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

Hello, I would just like to point out this mistake by BattyBot, in case it hasn't been addressed yet. Regards, Toccata quarta (talk) 10:14, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

@Toccata quarta: Thanks for letting me know - it was addressed in the #Possible bug in Task 25 section above. It worked much better in this new edit to the Bullying in nursing article. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 03:20, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

• I don't see a current discussion at Template talk:Notability for a protected edit request.  Is there another discussion?  Unscintillating (talk) 14:44, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

@Unscintillating: Using {{Notability|Geo}} shows the following text: "The topic of this article may not meet Wikipedia's notability guideline for geographic features." If it is determined that Wikipedia:Notability (geographic features) should not be a guideline, then there may need to be a change to Template:Notability. I have not initiated a protected edit request, as the RfC has not been completed. However, I just created Template talk:Notability#Request for comment to help advertise the RfC and share my thoughts. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 16:28, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

• The first item on the "What Links Here" currently is
  Buffalo, NY, and New York City.  BattyBot left the template-addition date at November 2010, which by itself is questionable.  Was this, in your view, an acceptable bot edit?  Unscintillating (talk
  ) 14:44, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

@Unscintillating: There are over 61,000 articles tagged with {{Notability}}, and trying to resolve the issue for each article will take an incredible amount of time and resources. The goal of BattyBot's task 13 is simply to add a parameter to {{Notability}} when appropriate. Doing so creates a link to the specific notability guideline that applies to the article, which will hopefully encourage editors with a specific area of expertise to read the guideline and either improve the article and remove the {{Notability}} template or send the article to RfD. I have programmed the bot to look the infobox to determine which {{Notability}} parameter to use - see User:BattyBot/Notability. (Based on the discussion at WT:Notability (geographic features), this logic needs to be modified.) The bot does not add or remove {{Notability}}, as the bot does not have the logic to determine if the article has demonstrated notability. The bot maintains the original date to make it easier to find who originally added the {{Notability}} template.

Having said that, let's look at the bot's edit to the

Importance-section}}). I hope you will continue to use your expertise in this area to follow through with resolving the issue in this particular article. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk

) 17:02, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

i made a page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarafa_Baghajati mr @Magioladitis tagged my article with both category and orphan tag...

i added categories but still not sure why the orphan tag..the article is rich with links from outside wikipedia and also linked to pages inside wikipedia also ... and after his tag i made sure you can reach the article from other wikipedia pages also as :

1- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C3%BCdiger_Nehberg

2-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohamed_Said_Ramadan_Al-Bouti

3-https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaretha_Lupac_Stiftung

4-the german version for the article : https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarafa_Baghajati

5-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yusuf_al-Qaradawi

so i think the orphan tag isn't needed anymore ...hope you review the article and remove it if you find it adequate so i can keep adding information to it .

thank you Wikipedian13579 (talk) 21:30, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

hey thank you he removed the orphan tag himself thank you again

Wikipedian13579 (talk) 21:47, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

@

Mohamed Said Ramadan Al-Bouti to Tarafa Baghajati, you could have removed the {{orphan}} tag yourself. I made some improvements to Tarafa Baghajati. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk

) 01:39, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedian13579 (talk) 05:00, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Whether citations are subject to the MOS, and particularly

@J. Johnson: Thanks for the info. I hope Trappist the monk is also watching this conversation, as Trappist is the one implementing the CS1 error functionality in the citation templates. BattyBot is not designed to remove year suffixes (e.g. 2003b) from citations. If you see that it is, please let me know ASAP so I can fix the bot. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 01:45, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

I mentioned this because the implication is that MOSNUM and DATEFORMAT do not authorize any modifications of dates used in any form of citation. And if you wanted to cleanup inconsistencies in citation dates, sorry, you are not allowed to modify a "citation style", even where it is undeclared, undefined, or even inconsistent. ~ J. Johnson (JJ) (talk) 20:15, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

@J. Johnson: It will be interesting to see what consensus is formed, and what impact it makes to Help:Citation Style 1 and Help:CS1 errors#bad date as a result. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 23:15, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

CS1 has explicitly adopted the MOS number formats, with a few listed exceptions. However, that will only hold if editors consider CS1 to be a style rather than a toolkit to use to implement any style at all. A different issue is that limitations in the template causes errors to be issued for some legitimate dates (for example February 29, 1700, in the UK).Jc3s5h (talk) 23:55, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Quite honestly you deserve this after the "talkpage" issue .... Think I'll join ya haha! :) Happy Editing :) Regards, →Davey2010→→Talk to me!→ 00:12, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Chug, chug, chug...aaah! Bartender, another round for Davey & me! GoingBatty (talk) 00:14, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Take a look at three articles that I created today Ann Heberlein, Johar Bendjelloul and Bengt Dalqvist. Thanks.--BabbaQ (talk) 20:27, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

@BabbaQ:  Done! You may want to add the |trans_title= to the Swedish citations. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 00:55, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Helénè Sparrow page: impressed you found it so fast. thanks for adding the Orphan note. I've now added links to it from several relevant pages, read the text about 'what is an orphan' (in that order so have not noted the new links in the pages they come from - sorry), and removed the orphan notice. MerielGJones (talk) 19:58, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @MerielGJones:, would you like to tell that how many links your have created? Remember, it should be more than 3 if you don't want that orphan tag anymore, normally one link is enough, but those who uses a program for editing the articles, they will have the option to tag that article with a orphan tag, unless you have linked with more than 3 articles. OccultZone (Talk) 03:56, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

I have added 4 links. MerielGJones (talk) 17:50, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

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Helénè Sparrow article. I've made a few more minor edits to the article. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk

) 23:39, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

This edit created an unnamed parameter error. If it was done with a script, please check for bugs. Thanks. P.S. My scripts do this all the time; I need to keep a close eye on them to catch pesky little regex errors. – Jonesey95 (talk) 05:11, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

@Jonesey95: Thanks for letting me know about my mistake. Although I used WPCleaner to make the edit, the manual typo is all my fault. I apologize for this oversight, and thank you for adding the missing "=" for me. GoingBatty (talk) 14:18, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

	The Technical Barnstar
	For helping newbies, fixing pages, guiding a number of experienced users, etc. OccultZone (Talk) 14:16, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

@OccultZone: Thank YOU for making my day!!! GoingBatty (talk) 14:19, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Hey, GB! It occurred to me that the album infobox template currently yields a dupe link and a redundant grammatical error. At chronology it should render album chronology, not repeat artist name chronology. GabeMc ^{(talk|contribs)} 01:20, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

@GabeMc: I think in most cases you're correct. However, see the second example at Template:Infobox album where there are two separate chronology sections. Wonder why the first example at Template:Infobox album renders "Chronology chronology" instead of "Nirvana chronology", but it looks fine at Nirvana (Nirvana album). GoingBatty (talk) 01:34, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

At the Nirvana album, shouldn't that be album chronology and then singles chronology? Its repetitive to state twice in such a short span the artist name with link, and its odd it link to singles and not albums. GabeMc ^{(talk|contribs)} 01:58, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

@GabeMc: Agree with "album chronology" when there's just one artist involved. It appears that the album infobox shows a list of singles, not a chronology. GoingBatty (talk) 02:05, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Maybe I'm not explaining this right, but if you look at the infobox at Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, you'll see that it links to the Beatles twice, which is not MoS compliant. Also, if I added a singles chronology after the album chronology it would look inconsistent, as the album chrono renders the Beatles Chronology, but the singles chrono renders singles chronology.

Studio album by The Beatles

The Beatles chronology

Singles chronology GabeMc ^{(talk|contribs)} 16:24, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

@GabeMc: I think you're explaining it just fine. I agree that the Sgt. Pepper's article (and most album articles) would look better with "Album chronology" instead of "The Beatles chronology", since The Beatles is already wikilinked earlier in the infobox. GoingBatty (talk) 16:54, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Okay, so can I count on you to fix this problem? GabeMc ^{(talk|contribs)} 16:59, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

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edit protected}} template to have an admin make the change. Good luck! GoingBatty (talk

) 17:13, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

I'm surprised you don't have the template editor right, but sure I'll start a thread! GabeMc ^{(talk|contribs)} 17:18, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. I didn't realise that! Deb (talk) 16:59, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

It is quite obvious now that those(like 3 editors) who frequently complained about the bot, they have no idea about the bot. That how it works or what it has done for wikipedia. Their only concern is "cosmetic editing", which is pretty bad allegation. Bots are obviously made for making similar type of edits, but they should be also evaluated by their good contributions that they have made recently.

You have a great bot too, but be aware about tagging article with Orphan tag. PBS may object that as he had a consensus related with the issue. It can be read here. OccultZone (Talk) 01:54, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

@OccultZone: While I have a bot task that specifically tries to remove {{orphan}}, I don't have a task that specifically tries to add the tag. While there was originally consensus to move the template to the talk page, there were subsequent conversations that doing so would prevent automated tools such as AWB and Twinkle to maintain the templates if they were on the talk page. Therefore, I think consensus now is to keep it on the article page but hide it in some circumstances. Not sure where it ended up. GoingBatty (talk) 02:00, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

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• In the summer of 2013 he played the BBC Introducing Stage at [[Glastonbury Festival]].<ref>{{cite web|title=George Ezra - Interview -- DSCVR ONES TO WATCH 2014|url=http://www.youtube.com/
• noted: {{cite web|url=http://www.officialcharts.com/artist/_/george%20ezra/|title=George Ezra > UK Charts|publisher=[[Official Charts Company]]|work=Officialcharts.com/}}

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 Fixed - thanks BracketBot! GoingBatty (talk) 01:40, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Hello.. I don't understand what did u change in Chaker Khazaals' article? khjamjoum (talk) 05:39, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

@Khjamjoum: In this edit to Chaker Khazaal, I used the edit summary "Repaired 4 links to disambiguation page". Per Wikipedia:Disambiguation, "Disambiguation in Wikipedia is the process of resolving the conflicts that arise when a single term is ambiguous—when it refers to more than one topic covered by Wikipedia." For example, Nike could refer to a goddess, a manufacturer of athletic equipment, or missiles. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 14:01, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

I've also fixed WPCleaner so that future edit summaries will say "Repaired 4 links to disambiguation pages". I've also made some more edits to the Chaker Khazaal article. GoingBatty (talk) 14:16, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

Answering your question: Yes, it is released. I've already downloaded the soundtrack from Itune. --NeoBatfreak (talk) 06:55, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

@NeoBatfreak: Thanks for letting me know. I updated the Son of Batman article accordingly. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 14:27, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

Is there any way to protect Portal:Middle-earth/Pages from the attentions of editors using WPCleaner? According to the blurb at the top of the page, it is supposed to include links to redirects and disambiguation pages. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:37, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

@John of Reading: I can't think of any way to do so, although maybe NicoV can. I see you didn't revert my edit, so is it OK? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 14:25, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

I don't know how it works on enwiki, but on frwiki, we have created some templates to mark some links to disambiguation pages as normal (fr:Modèle:Page h' for example). WPCleaner detects them through its configuration parameter dab_link_templates.

Otherwise, it's also possible to configure WPCleaner to issue a warning to the editor when editing a page containing a given template (configuration parameter general_edit_warning_templates). Example on frwiki: fr:Modèle:En cours, with its parameter "intro" containing an explanation. --NicoV ^{(Talk on frwiki)} 14:41, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

I haven't undone your edit, GoingBatty, because I'd like to solve the underlying problem first. Once that's done I'll go through the page, and Portal:Middle-earth/Related pages as well, restoring the links to disambiguation pages. Various editors have used several different disambiguation tools on these lists. I think the solution is to move them to the Wikipedia: namespace, as these pages have a similar function to pages such as Wikipedia:WikiProject LGBT studies/Watchlist and Wikipedia:WikiProject Africa/Watchlist. Does WPCleaner skip the Wikipedia namespace? -- John of Reading (talk) 15:38, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

@John of Reading: WPCleaner allows you to filter which namespaces you want to see. I have mine set to show pages in the Portal namespace but not pages in the Wikipedia namespace. GoingBatty (talk) 15:44, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

OK, I'll suggest that to the WikiProject. -- John of Reading (talk) 15:49, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

Hello, Can you see this --41.254.31.59 (talk) 16:36, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Replied at Talk:Janzur#move page. GoingBatty (talk) 16:45, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Hi, GoingBatty. I am going to nominate Oil shale in Estonia for GA. There are still some issues like checking the order of references, appearance of wikilinks etc, which are quite tedious to do manually. I know it could be done more automatic way (AWB, I think) but for some reasons I never been able to operate AWB correctly, although I have all necessary permissions. Maybe you could assist by checking the above-mentioned artickle for these issues? Thank you in advance. Beagel (talk) 17:11, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

@Beagel:  Done - good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 01:36, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank you very much! Beagel (talk) 04:35, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Please check discussion on Wikipedia talk:Talk page layout. Thanks. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:04, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

In an effort to learn how things work around here, I'll pester you with a couple of questions about the

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replace template parameter functionality, which is used to automatically replace parameters in citation templates and other templates. An unrelated portion of the AWB software provides alerts for things that it can't fix automatically. One of those is providing alerts when it encounters an "Invalid citation parameter", but only for {{cite web}} and {{cite arXiv}}. Since the AWB developers have a hard-coded list of parameters, I added all the valid {{cite web}} parameters you provided to the list they use. Once all the major changes are made to the citation templates, I'll request that the AWB developers expand their "Invalid citation parameter" to other templates, if I can get a list of all the valid parameters at once. Keep up the good work! GoingBatty (talk

) 01:24, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

I have today learned that {{

WP:AWB/RTP currently, but it's good to know that if AWB expands to checking other templates, we'll have to ensure that the proper list of parameters for those templates is consulted. This is a lot to learn!—D'Ranged 1 VT^alk

22:50, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Please take a look at Soraya Post, Kristina Winberg and Peter Lundgren (politician). Thank you :)--BabbaQ (talk) 21:55, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

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interlanguage link at the end of the article is not needed once the link is added to Wikidata

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@Carriearchdale: - When running Reflinks, please double check every suggestion and correct errors before saving your edit. Common errors Reflinks makes include putting dates or email addresses in the |author= parameter, extra text (such as the publisher) in the |title= parameter, and icon templates in the language parameter. For example, these edits fixed the references in Soraya Post. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 22:21, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Please take a look at

Almstriden. Thanks!--BabbaQ (talk

) 21:23, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

@BabbaQ:  Done - please expand references 1, 2, 5 & 7. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 23:36, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Some new additions to my MOSNUM script to expand month names give rise to this error, where "$12" embedded within a url gets substituted with a comma. The only way I am free of the error is if I remove all three lines. Can u help me understand why this might be happening? Cheers, -- Ohc ^¡digame! 07:03, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

@Ohconfucius: I tried to replicate the issue by copying the old version of your script to User:GoingBatty/script/MOSNUM dates.js, changing User:GoingBatty/vector.js to call my version of the script, and then clearing my cache (CTRL-F5). I then edited Paul Rodgers and clicked on "All dates to dmy" and could not reproduce the issue. Am I doing something wrong? GoingBatty (talk) 22:56, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

I also updated the edit summary in User:GoingBatty/script/MOSNUM dates.js to confirm that I was in fact clearing the cache and running that version. GoingBatty (talk) 22:59, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

The error is duplicated when clicking on "Expand ref dates", "Expand all dates", or "Abbrev ref dates". "All dates to dmy" doesn't call the error.—D'Ranged 1 VT^alk 23:36, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

I only got the error when I clicked "Abbrev ref dates" - thanks for the tip. GoingBatty (talk) 23:39, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

@Ohconfucius: Now that I updated Paul Rodgers to add {{cite web}} so I could include an archiveurl, the script doesn't make the incorrect change. GoingBatty (talk) 23:51, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

It doesn't happen in your version because both lines are commented out. The problem seems to come from one or other of those rules that are commented out in your script. D'Ranged correctly noted that the error only happens when you click on the 'Expand refs' or 'Expand all' buttons and not the main function. This is a separate module which [fortunately] is independent of the "All dmy dates" composite function. There doesn't seem to be anything in the rules that would seem irregular to me, which is why I wanted your eagle eye cast on them. Cheers, -- Ohc ^¡digame! 01:53, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

@Ohconfucius: It did happen in my version when I used "Abbrev ref dates". I didn't see anything unusual in the code either. Sorry! GoingBatty (talk) 01:55, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

Oh well, back to the old drawing board, as they say... -- Ohc ^¡digame! 02:01, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

I'm just learning about RegEx (very slowly), so I doubt I'll be much use. I did take a look at User:Ohconfucius/script/MOSNUM utils.js, however, and there is an actual instance of "$12" in that script. Is it somehow being matched literally in the citation?—D'Ranged 1 VT^alk 02:08, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

To test the theory, I deliberately changed the first instance of "$12" in the citation to "$21"; when I ran the script, it made the same substitution as before; substituting a comma for "$21". It's odd that it only does it on the first instance; now that there's an archive url, the "$12" text is repeated later in the citation, but the script leaves that instance alone. Baffling.—D'Ranged 1 VT^alk 02:21, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks. I've revised the "abbreviate" code, which now ignores the url. Simply substituting the @Month didn't work. I suspect there may be a bug in the utilities code, but it's probably beyond my skill set to find/fix this. -- Ohc ^¡digame! 02:31, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

I looked at the other script that is called, m:User:Pathoschild/Scripts/Regex menu framework.js, which includes this line of code:

newtext.appendChild(document.createTextNode('), and a replacement text in the replacement box (reference groups use "$1" through "$9").'));

I went back to User:D'Ranged 1/script/MOSNUM utils.js and commented out the csub = csub.split("$11").join(regex_param[10]); through csub = csub.split("$20").join(regex_param[19]); lines; the script works now, with one small glitch: If I run "Abbrev ref dates", it changes Retrieved 11 March 2009.</ref> to Retrieved 11 Mar 2009,.</ref>, adding a comma after the abbreviated date. Perhaps that is something you know how to fix? I'm too new at RegEx and javascript to understand the mechanics yet, but I've done a fair amount of coding in Visual Basic. I'm not sure why Pathoschild's script is explicit in keeping the reference groups in single digits, but it seems that having extras creates heartache. I can't find where they're called in the script, either. I did some more playing with the section of the article, but moved it to User:D'Ranged 1/sandbox. Feel free to test and edit it there. I found that before I commented out the lines in utils.js, if I entered numbers in place of the $12 up to $19, it substituted a comma for three characters, $##. Once I got to $20, it only substituted the $2. That led me to believe that it was a range problem, which is why I tried the fix I did. Maybe someone more versed in the languages can explain why it works. If you want to test it without messing up your own scripts, call mine: User:D'Ranged 1/script/MOSNUM dates.js, which calls User:D'Ranged 1/script/MOSNUM utils.js with the csub lines commented out.—D'Ranged 1 VT^alk 03:38, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

• I started using the Pathoschild script because it allows for the substitution of regex instructions such as "txt.value=txt.value.replace" by "Regex". I never looked any further into how the code worked or its impact on other stuff. Similarly, I don't understand the Utilities code, except to know that it defines a number of key variable groups to be referred to with the "Ohc_regex" instruction call. -- Ohc ^¡digame! 04:05, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

In a recent edit on White Sands Missile Range, BattyBot made some apparently incorrect capitalization changes within a note in the Citation needed format.Thewellman (talk) 21:44, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) If you mean the change from this

{{Citation needed|date=This claim is at the Private (rocket) article, but was the launch actually on Fort Bliss or was it on the land later designated WSPG?}}

to this

{{Citation needed|date=This claim is at the private (rocket) article but was the launch actually on fort bliss or was it on the land later designated wspg?}}

the template was being misused. The |date= parameter is for a month and year, nothing else; a brief textual description of the problem should go into the |reason= parameter, but something that long really belongs on the article's talk page. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:21, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

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AWB's general fixes is to remove capitalizations after the first character, expecting that only a month and year would be in the |date= parameter. I added a correct date and moved the text to a |reason= parameter. I made some additional fixes, but this edit from 30 SW really made a mess. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk

) 22:44, 31 May 2014 (UTC)