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The result was delete. RL0919 (talk) 23:28, 21 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Troyce Guice

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Does not meet

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• Delete Mr. Guice seems like a nice man who's tried to get involved in the political process. But I'm sorry to say that his life and political involvement doesn't live up to wikipedia's guidelines for notability. The multiple citations in this article are not specifically about the subject on the article, but instead are crammed in to give the veneer of notability, so unfortunately this article should be deleted, without prejudice. I hope at some point a reputable secondary source does a piece on Mr. Guice, but as of now it does not appear that any such source has done so. -Markeer 01:23, 15 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom, pretty clearly fails
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• Delete. As usual, people do not get Wikipedia articles just for running as candidates in elections they did not win; as usual, Billy Hathorn had no understanding of our actual notability standard for politicians, and thought (wrongly) that as soon as you could find a local obituary the person had automatically cleared GNG (and thus been exempted from having to pass NPOL) even if all the rest of the sources were unreliable and non-notability-supporting junk. Bearcat (talk) 00:10, 16 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per all of the above, and
  wild west period of Wikipedia, when we had much more lax standards. Bearian (talk) 21:39, 18 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
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• Delete. There is insufficient weight in the form of independent, reliable sources to establish notability under
  WP:NPOL appears to be satisfied. Most of the sources utilized here (those that can still be accessed anyway) mention the article's subject only in passing and thus do not constitute the the substantial, in-depth coverage expected of sources for purposes of a notability analysis, and the titles of the other (now dead) links don't suggest any deeper coverage for the most part and, under the circumstances, I don't think we can presume otherwise without archived versions of those sources to establish otherwise. Furthermore, with eleven years having passed since the article's creation, I think we can presume that if there were additional interest in the subject and sources covering him since his death, they would have manifested by now. All the information taken together, deletion seems appropriate. Snow ^{let's rap} 18:55, 20 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete. -- Scott Burley (talk) 00:35, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

David Stopps

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Lots of detail, very little indication of notability for this businessman / promoter / club owner. If someone could point out to me any of the sources provided on the page that would pass as independent and in-depth coverage of the man himself, I'd be obliged. There seems to be a spirited attempt to base notability on connection to the Statue of David Bowie, but all I can here see is passing mentions. Nothing here seems add up to a BLP threshold (unless being an Honorary Freeman of Aylesbury is worth major kudos). Elmidae (talk · contribs) 22:15, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete per
  tended to delete producer articles. He's not gotten any major awards. His connection to the Statue of David Bowie is threadbare. He statue and the sculptor may be notable. but not this person. Bearian (talk) 21:35, 18 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
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• Delete per nom. This reads like a poorly written publicity piece that says and shows nothing. The sources barely mention the subject. A Google search turned up no wide coverage. Sorely fails
  WP:BASIC. -AuthorAuthor (talk) 01:16, 19 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
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Phil Price (sculptor)

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Very, very little information. Most text copied and pasted from their own website, which also now seems to have been hacked and contains spam links and content (everything below the video). Aslvrstn (talk) 21:34, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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• Very weak Keep Ugh, I'm finding sources that actually use that dreaded phrase "world renowned artist". At first sight it appears that that's mostly lazy journalists repeating Price's own statements about himself, though. Modesty is not one of Price's virtues: "He is regarded as the foremost kinetic sculptor of his generation, with his work being widely acknowledged for its breath taking beauty, evocation of the natural world, and extraordinary design", he writes about himself on his website. There is no need for us to repeat that.
  There is coverage that indicates that Price has created work that is recognized as significant. See https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/103171824/christchurch-kinetic-sculpture-nucleus-returning-soon-after-nearly-a-years-absence for example. Vexations (talk) 22:24, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep I started a section on his public sculpture, and through that found several decent sources. This Artnet article, for example, talks in depth about his public sculpture in Wellington that was hit by lightning (notability by lightning!). There are others. Along with other sculptures, he meets WP:ARTIST for creating a significant body of public works.
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Update: I have added about 18 sources, several of which are in-depth, with the rest being confirmation of the public sculptures. He is also in the Museum of New Zealand Te Papa Tongarewa. Together this makes the article a clear keep. The list of public sculptures is not complete either-- I keep finding more of them.

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Found another sculpture called evolution-trees, installed outside the Canberra airport. the

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• Keep - With the improvements to the article noted above, it easily passes WP:ARTIST and WP:GNG. Netherzone (talk) 11:42, 15 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per
  WP:HEY. Bearian (talk) 21:31, 18 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
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• Keep With ThatMontrealIP's work on this, it easily passes
  WP:ARTIST with just the "Permanent collections" alone. -Lopifalko (talk) 18:03, 21 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
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Shrick

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Seems to have disappeared without much trace. Rathfelder (talk) 19:35, 14 October 2019 (UTC) The subject is no longer active and this article may be deleted. Andakava 08:10, 15 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete: Internet searches (as linked right on this page) find almost no coverage of this subject at all, and considering its inactive status, it is not likely to have much in the future. The two independent sources listed don't seem particularly reliable.
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The result was delete. RL0919 (talk) 23:07, 21 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Cove.Tool

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Promotional article. Cannot see how this company founded in 2017 can possibly pass

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• Delete - so promotional it isn't even an article. I've !voted on a few corp articles before but this is the first time I've seen an actual product catalog cited. Probably g11 eligible. ☆ Bri (talk) 22:39, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete no kidding, blatantly promo, fails NCORP. Would agree with G11 (or A7) since it's a recently-created article with just the one major contributor.
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• Delete Per nom. Fails WP:NCORP. Barca (talk) 01:01, 17 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Very poor. scope_creep^Talk 14:03, 20 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete None of the references meet the criteria for establishing notability, fails GNG and
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Kwame A.A Opoku

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Another PR piece from what appears to be a walled garden of promotion - "entrepreneurs" who found organizations and give awards to each other and then write about it on websites. (For example, this article was edited by User:Akpah Prince and User:I am Felix G. Felix G has also edited the article Prince Akpah, who founded the award that was given to Kwame A.A Opoku. The creator of the Prince Akpah article is User:MRtraore who also wrote the article Abd Traore who is yet another entrepreneur written about by Prince Akpah. And so on.)

I can't see how anything in this article meets the level of

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• Delete - yet another
  significant coverage. Bearian (talk) 21:42, 18 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete. RL0919 (talk) 23:14, 21 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Prince Akpah

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No demonstration of notability per

• Delete Plenty of references to the awards given by his redlinked organisation, but no sources offered for biographical info. Paragraph about early life and education (curiously worded "has educational relationship with ..." could mean anything: dropped out of, sends his kid to, once went to a meeting?) is completely unsourced, suggesting
  WP:OR (or just lazy lack of referencing). No indication of notability. PamD 19:41, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
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• Delete fails
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• Delete - yet another
  significant coverage. Bearian (talk) 21:42, 18 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
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Mahmoud Mansi

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This article does not show how the individual meets criteria of

• Delete Some coverage but nothing of depth. Fails
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The result was no consensus. Barkeep49 (talk) 01:16, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

South African A cricket team in India in 2019

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Help -At

WP:CRIN includes first-class cricket, list-a cricket and twenty 20 cricket. If A-team tournaments are to deleted then it should be applicable to all those in Category:A team cricket. Also how does this effect FC, List-A, non-league T20 tournamnets and women's cricket. I am more interested in understanding criteria so that I could give an opinion to discussion.Shubham389 (talk) 13:37, 29 September 2019 (UTC)[reply

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• Delete per nom. While the matches are FC/LA, they are by a team below the top international level. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 07:28, 30 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Matches with first-class and List A status. The tour satisfies
  WP:GNG, with sufficient coverage and match reports in newspapers. India A matches generate more coverage and are of higher quality than domestic matches between teams like Mizoram and Sikkim. I was able to find coverage in South African sources too: [1] [2] [3]. Dee03 11:30, 30 September 2019 (UTC)[reply
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• Delete per nom. SNGs have been designed to screen off stuff like these so that we may not have to use GNG to make non-consistent calls. ∯WBG^converse 17:50, 10 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Which SNG states that A team tours are not notable? The only thing I find inconsistent here is delete votes like While the matches are FC/LA, they are by a team below the top international level. 2019–20 Duleep Trophy is also a FC status series by teams "below international level" but everyone would vote "keep" if that article was up for deletion. Dee03 16:14, 11 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The top international level being the first XI with this being the second XI. HawkAussie (talk) 08:07, 17 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Then the Duleep Trophy tournament which I have linked above was contested by third XI, fourth XI and fifth XI (India Blue, India Red and India Green). I find it interesting that, according to some people, a second XI series is not notable whereas a tournament featuring those who could not make the cut into the second XI is. Dee03 17:00, 17 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep on the grounds that a) there are enough sources to suggest some notability; b) the SNG doesn't seem to cover this type of tour at all (there are so many issues with the ways in which
  WP:NEVENT we'd delete nearly every international tour and domestic tournament other than those with a lasting significant (bodyline, some of the tours of SA etc...). There needs to be some discussion about NCRIC and the ways in which it deals with international tours - Id be reluctant to do anything very much with articles such as these until then given that there are clearly enough sources in place to show some level of notability. Blue Square Thing (talk) 19:28, 13 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
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• Delete, Wikipedia is not a sports almanac. Stifle (talk) 16:43, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. Barkeep49 (talk) 01:16, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

India A cricket team in the West Indies in 2019

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• Delete per nom. While the matches are FC/LA, they are by a team below the top international level. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 07:28, 30 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Matches with first-class and List A status. The tour satisfies
  WP:GNG, with sufficient coverage and match reports in newspapers. [4] [5] [6]. Dee03 11:32, 30 September 2019 (UTC)[reply
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• Delete per nom. SNGs have been designed to screen off stuff like these so that we may not have to use GNG to make non-consistent calls. ∯WBG^converse 17:50, 10 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Which SNG states that A team tours are not notable? The only thing I find inconsistent here is delete votes like While the matches are FC/LA, they are by a team below the top international level. 2019–20 Duleep Trophy is also a FC status series by teams "below international level" but everyone would vote "keep" if that article was up for deletion. Dee03 16:13, 11 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep on the grounds that a) there are enough sources to suggest some notability; b) the SNG doesn't seem to cover this type of tour at all (there are so many issues with the ways in which
  WP:NEVENT we'd delete nearly every international tour and domestic tournament other than those with a lasting significant (bodyline, some of the tours of SA etc...). There needs to be some discussion about NCRIC and the ways in which it deals with international tours - Id be reluctant to do anything very much with articles such as these until then given that there are clearly enough sources in place to show some level of notability. Blue Square Thing (talk) 19:28, 13 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
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• Delete, Wikipedia is not
  Wisden. Stifle (talk) 16:43, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
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Article about a public artwork, not

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• Keep, in the weak to medium range. This has not been open long, but I found three decent sources on it. I have the sense that we should keep it as it is a permanent installation and will likely generate more sources, given those already published during its short tenure. I know, not a perfect argument, but I have a sense. And the new sources I added are not terrible. Article does need cleanup, and I did notice a COI tag. Despite that, the work seems notable, in the weak to medium range.
  talk) 04:36, 8 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
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Update: the Tourism and Heritage Journal devotes 904 words to the piece, in the article linked here. Along with the three independent RS of middling quality that I added, I think this is a clearer keep.

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• Keep or merge with [[Ben Rubin (artist) - The scholarly journal essay mentioned above was the tipping point, as the artwork has received news and critical attention, and is also the subject of an in-depth analysis. It is true that the article was created by an SPA with a definite COI, which is problematic. However, the work has cultural merit, and is a permanent work of public art. I found another source from the Center for Data Art, but because it was written by the article creator (the SPA/COI), I did not add it to the article. It's a shaky keep, but a keep nevertheless. Netherzone (talk) 12:55, 8 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete The apparent conflict of interest by Surabhinaik07 is troubling. A clarification would be most welcome. Then again, a conflict of interest by the creator of the article is not a reason for deletion. I think it's too soon to have an article about an artwork when it is not clear that significant coverage is sustained over a longer period of time. I see no evidence that the work has had a significant impact, has been cited as particularly influential or innovative. The reporting is too much of a single event. If it had been a work by a single artist, I would have suggested to merge it into an existing article, but there is no suitable target. I see no alternatives to deletion. Vexations (talk) 13:45, 8 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment and Question I'm just popping in to this, and I'm confused as to what is the history here. Specifically, why did
  Listening Post (Artwork). [[7]], [[8]], [[9]], [[10]] etc. --Theredproject (talk) 14:49, 9 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
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I am not so worried abotu the COI as they (Rubin, Thorp, the artwork, and also Listening Post) are all notable to a degree. I've created

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I am slightly worried that the user has ignored COI queries on their usertalk page. Surely editors are expected to respond to such queries. In other news, the cut and paste move is fixed and the history merged. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 11:55, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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• Merge/Redirect to
  User:ThatMontrealIP found do verify the content enough to include this content in the article on the building itself. Really this is the best place for it anyway as the art instalation is a part of this building. This should also alleviate concerns over any COI issues.4meter4 (talk) 18:50, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
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• Delete or merge the verifiable contents into Brookfield Place (Calgary). Not seeing anything that establishes independent notability of this artwork. GSS ^💬 08:33, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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And, please, folks, don't rename articles while an AfD is in progress. It just adds confusion to the closing process. -- RoySmith (talk) 22:42, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Serwaa Kesse Girls' Senior High School (SEKESS)

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• Keep. Schools are usually notable. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 15:09, 7 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. There isn't anything to write an article out of unless we want to talk about the time 1.4 billion [local money unit] were embezzled by 4 administrators at the school. I may not be running google right because I only found 56 results, but they were all either primary (e.g. the school's facebook page), or about the aforementioned admins stealing 1.4 billion moneys. Rockphed (talk) 19:21, 10 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. the article has been improved Celestinesucess (talk) 20:05, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • I rather think it hasn't; regardless the deletion process isn't about improvement, its about notability, which this school does not seem to have. Captain Eek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 19:05, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. It being a verified degree-granting high school should suffice IMO, and also there is coverage, including about the embezzlement which perhaps should be covered (i don't know if that would be
  wp:UNDUE or not, but it certainly further verifies existence). There should be a short article at least. --Doncram (talk) 18:19, 17 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Delete per nom and Rockphed. The circular argument per
  WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES was rejected from being considered as a valid argument, after a site-wide RfC. ∯WBG^converse 16:56, 18 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
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• Keep - despite the aforementioned RfC, we still keep secondary schools that have verified existence...Always have, always will. Per
  WP:GEOFEAT. John from Idegon (talk) 20:19, 18 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]

• WP:GEOFEAT does not deal with schools; the rest seems some kind of childish I-like-it argument.∯WBG^converse 15:20, 19 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• WP:GEOFEAT would kill this article even faster since we have zero reliable sources on the building itself. I will gladly change to keep if you can find reliable sources about the building itself, but my searches for such turned up blank. Rockphed (talk) 14:20, 21 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]

• Delete as per nom. Fails
  WP:NORG. Don't go for circular reasoning that we just keep such articles. Störm (talk) 09:45, 21 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Delete. Fails
  WP:GNG.4meter4 (talk) 18:42, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Delete. Per above delete arguments, without significant coverage, this fails
  WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES argument is invalid if the sources are not there. Rollidan (talk) 20:53, 24 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Delete: Per Nom. Schools are "not" usually notable per
  WP:NSCHOOL. Schools have to be shown by reliable independent sources to be notable so are not intrinsically or inherently notable just because they exist. As noted above, if there is evidence that supports WP:GEOFEAT I am willing to reconsider. The school is mentioned at Duayaw Nkwanta. Creating articles is fantastic but should not become more important than expanding existing stub-class articles. Otr500 (talk) 09:58, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
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Keemo Bankz

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No proof of notability per

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• Delete I've searched for reliable sources and significant coverage but no results. Schazjmd (talk) 19:06, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete could not find any reliable sources coverage under this name, for example there is no entry at all at AllMusic. Mind he has changed his name a few times so if anyone comes up with good coverage in reliable sources please ping me, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 21:45, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: non notable musician Ceethekreator (talk) 10:45, 15 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete No significant coverage. Barca (talk) 15:48, 16 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Non-notable musician. LefcentrerightTalk (plz ping) 20:00, 17 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete -
  very poor sourcing -- all references are blogs, Facebook, or Twitter. Bearian (talk) 21:56, 18 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Delete Super early in his career. No fans. No sources. scope_creep^Talk 17:55, 19 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Not notable, page cranked out by a now-blocked spam-only editor. – Athaenara ✉ 03:25, 20 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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After trimming a raft of blogspot, wordpress and similar items used as sources, this artist fails GNG. I cannot find SIGCOV in article the sources, and I can't find it in a search.

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• Delete a non-notable quitler. I have to admit it is staggering how many articles that do not pass notability Wikipedia has.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:18, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - The subject of this BLP does not meet notability criteria for WP:GNG, WP:NARTIST, nor WP:BIO. Netherzone (talk) 23:38, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. I agree with User: Netherzone. Does not meet WP:GNG, WP:NARTIST, nor WP:BIO.Knox490 (talk) 18:05, 15 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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• Weak delete - the claim that she worked with the Bata museum is one action of note, but
  there's no significant coverage of that or any other artwork she's made. Bearian (talk) 21:55, 18 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Delete I can't find any coverage. If the article creator, or anyone else, knows of coverage in reliable, secondary publications, or of museums which hold her work, then that might show notability, but right now it doesn't appear that she is. RebeccaGreen (talk) 15:32, 20 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was No consensus, possibly rename.  JGHowes  ^talk 02:22, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Dilla Massacre

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• Delete. This fails
  WP:OR. --Kzl55 (talk) 21:06, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
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The Dilla Massacre page has used over 30 different published academic sources. The sources are listed here: See: [1], ^[2], ^[3], ^[4], ^[5], ^[6], ^[7], ^[8], ^[9], ^[10], ^[11], ^[12], ^[13], ^[14], ^[15], ^[16], ^[17], ^[18], ^[19], ^[20], ^[21], ^[22], ^[23], ^[24], ^[25], ^[26], ^[27], ^[28], ^[29], ^[30], ^[31], ^[32], ^[33], ^[34]. Therefore this page is absolutely legitimate and doesn't warrant deletion in anyway whatsoever. This should be discussed in the talk pages instead of nominating for deletion. There are many sources that state this massacre took place. I have given over 30 and there are many more aswell. MustafaO (talk) 22:04, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

None of the sources stated discuss a "Dilla Massacre", and as such the article fails

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The title of the page 'Dilla Massacre' could easily be moved and there are protocols for changing the title, refer to the talk pages for that. However, the sources are evident in that this incident took place and there are over 30 sources for it, as I've already shown. Therefore, it's unjustified to nominate for deletion. MustafaO (talk) 13:17, 15 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

To reiterate my previous comment, none of the 30 sources listed discuss a "Dilla Massacre". Furthermore, many of these citations do not even discuss the town of Dilla. This isn't an issue of an inaccurate title, but rather an issue of an original research article failing to meet

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The article discusses massacres that took place in the Awdal Region against a specific community. The title of the article is a reflection of the incidents that took place in the Region as a whole, with Dilla being the most famous. The attack on Dilla was sourced clearly in the article (See: [13], [14], [15]. This sourced ([16]) says: "The SNM had completely destroyed the town of Dilla". So the article didn't fail to meet to meet

Unfortunately, I have to suspect bias is at play here, I am the starter of the page

Dilla Massacre page, sources seen here and quoted above, dealing with the Somali national movement, and how it had partial foreign funding and assistance was also posted on the page Somali National Movement, and also removed by Koodbuur, observe here Link 2,  Koodbuur was also reported for POV Pushing as seen here by another user during another separate incident. Link 3 . In my opinion, there is no coincidence Koodbuur wants to delete a page with cited sources he does not agree with, especially after being banned for 72 hours regarding said page. This source  'https://www.refworld.org/docid/3ae6ad8e24.html' states, "In February 1991, "ethnic cleansing" by the SNM took place in the Boroma region"  and mentioned an ethnic cleansing against the Gadabursi in the Awdal area. This source 1, Which is from a book called "Voice and Power" written by R. J. Hayward and ‎I. M. Lewis, that "The major town of the Rer Mohamoud Nur, Dila, was thoroughly destroyed by the SNM and still lies in ruins, their rural and urban property has been almost entirely plundered by the SNM apparently to avenge the past fierce resistance put up by the Rer Nur in general." Supporting the point that the destruction of the town of Dilla was clan based. Another source indicating the existence of the Dilla Massacre here, was also removed. This source 3, which provided background to the event, was removed, it stated "The civil war raging on in the north is between the SNM Isaks against the Gadabursi in the northwest regions". That source is from 1989. This news article 4 states the existence of a massacre and destruction of the town of Dilla, in the entirety of the article. Multiple news articles mention it as well, 5, The evidence is overwhelming. The page is still under development, and more sources are continuing to be added gradually, but for Koodbuur to nominate it for deletion, after not responding to the talk page for months, as seen here Link 4, shows me there might be other motives involved.  Aqooni (talk) 05:19, 16 October 2019 (UTC)[reply

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• Keep and possibly rename. There is ample evidence of a series of violent incidents in the time frame laid out that have received more than sufficient coverage to ring the WP:N bell. That said, there are issues. At times the language sounds unencyclopedic and I get a sense that this may not be NPOV. It really needs to be reviewed by one or more editors familiar with the issues and history of that part of the world who can fix any POV issues and possibly add some background for those unfamiliar. I am also concerned about motivations in the article and possibly here in the AfD. Bottom line... there are problems, but the subject looks notable to me and thus
  WP:NOTCLEANUP would apply. I am going to throw up some tags on the page. -Ad Orientem (talk) 04:59, 16 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]

Thank you Ad Orientem, will be working on cleaning up the page in the next few days. Thanks for the tags. MustafaO (talk) 05:19, 16 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The page does touch upon with the genocidal oppression the

Dilla Massacre, a name change discussion is perfectly reasonable to encompass that and more events, but complete deletion I feel is out of order. Aqooni (talk) 05:25, 16 October 2019 (UTC)[reply

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@

Somali civil war article. I do agree that it also falls short of NPOV. At best its a synthesis of mostly non reputable sources to push the massacre narrative, and at worst its original research. --Kzl55 (talk) 07:19, 16 October 2019 (UTC)[reply

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• Delete. Seeing as citations used do not support nor even name the "Dilla massacre" event discussed by article. No credible results for this pretty much anywhere, be it [Google], Google books, news, or scholar. If scholarly published sources do not discuss it then the subject does not warrant a standalone article per guidelines. There is also a number of questionable sources used that do not fit reliable sources guidelines.
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• Keep, disputes about the title of the article can be debated. The sources are overwhelming as pointed out by @Ad Orientem. Those debates could be held in the talk pages. There is clearly no need for deletion seeing as there are over 30 published works that speak about these incidents. There are many sources that mention the massacre:

This source 'https://www.refworld.org/docid/3ae6ad8e24.html' states, "In February 1991, "ethnic cleansing" by the SNM took place in the Boroma region"  and mentioned an ethnic cleansing against the Gadabursi in the Awdal area. This source 1, Which is from a book called "Voice and Power" written by R. J. Hayward and ‎I. M. Lewis, that "The major town of the Rer Mohamoud Nur, Dila, was thoroughly destroyed by the SNM and still lies in ruins, their rural and urban property has been almost entirely plundered by the SNM apparently to avenge the past fierce resistance put up by the Rer Nur in general." Supporting the point that the destruction of the town of Dilla was clan based. Another source indicating the existence of the Dilla Massacre here, was also removed. This source 3 also mentions this massacre aswell. There is no warrant for deletion. The details about the name of the incidents could be discussed in the talk pages. MustafaO (talk) 21:54, 16 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. The subject is not notable enough to warrant an article, this can easily be seen through searching scholarly sources. Not a single scholarly source discusses a Dilla massacre. Coverage of individual battles is better suited in the main civil war article.XKeyse (talk) 18:24, 17 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You clearly ignored over 30 different scholarly sources for these events. See: (The Dilla Massacre page has used over 30 different published academic sources.

The sources are listed here: See: ^[35], ^[36], ^[37], ^[38], ^[39], ^[40], ^[41], ^[42], ^[43], ^[44], ^[45], ^[46], ^[47], ^[48], ^[49], ^[50], ^[51], ^[52], ^[53], ^[54], ^[55], ^[56], ^[57], ^[58], ^[59], ^[60], ^[61], ^[62], ^[63], ^[64], ^[65], ^[66], ^[67], ^[68].) This source 'https://www.refworld.org/docid/3ae6ad8e24.html' states, "In February 1991, "ethnic cleansing" by the SNM took place in the Boroma region"  and mentioned an ethnic cleansing against the Gadabursi in the Awdal area. This source 1, Which is from a book called "Voice and Power" written by R. J. Hayward and ‎I. M. Lewis, that "The major town of the Rer Mohamoud Nur, Dila, was thoroughly destroyed by the SNM and still lies in ruins, their rural and urban property has been almost entirely plundered by the SNM apparently to avenge the past fierce resistance put up by the Rer Nur in general." The evidence is overwhelming. Therefore there is no need for deletion. MustafaO (talk) 23:39, 17 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep This article, quoting from this opening statement says "The Dilla Massacre, was a series of events that spanned from January 1991 to March 1991, perpetrated by members of the Somali National Movement (SNM) rebel group, against the Gadabuursi clan. The most violent episode was on February 4, 1991 in Dilla, a town in Awdal". The question opposing editors are asking is "Did a violent killing of civilians occur in Dilla?" The sources say YES here is one for example,
  Gadabursi tribe in Somalia? The sources say YES. Perhaps the name of the article should be changed, but none of these opposing editors utilized the talk page in order to discuss such a change, the only one who did, did not respond back to the talk page for months, the user Koodbuur , who did not reply yet to my response here on my decision to vote to keep this page. There are enough sources to prove the opening statement of this article, but I vote to keep the change and utilize the talk page to discuss a name change. The main argument against the page is the name of the article, therefore a name change discussion is what this page needs, not a deletion discussion. I will providing more sources to contribute to the growth of this page, and within this deletion discussion. As of now, no other editor apart from MustafaO (talk), utilized the talk page to discuss these matters. Aqooni (talk) 21:19, 18 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]

• Citation 1 discusses the town of Dilla being destroyed, but no mention of a massacre or any civilian killings [17]
• Citation 2 indicates that it is not a UNHCR document. The citations used to claim ethnic cleansing in the document are not readily accessible online [18] [19] [20], thus failing to meet verifiability guidelines as per
  WP:V
  .
• Citation 3 does not mention “Dilla Massacre” [21] or the town Dilla [22]
• Citation 4 does not mention “Dilla Massacre” [23] or the town Dilla [24]
• Citation 5 does not mention “Dilla Massacre” [25] or the town Dilla [26]
• Citation 6 does not mention “Dilla Massacre” [27] or the town Dilla [28]
• Citation 7 does not mention “Dilla Massacre” [29] or the town Dilla [30]
• Citation 8 does not mention “Dilla Massacre” [31] or the town Dilla [32]
• Citation 9 does not mention “Dilla Massacre” [33] or the town Dilla [34]
• Citation 10 does not mention “Dilla Massacre” [35] or the town Dilla [36]
• Citation 11 does not mention “Dilla Massacre” [37] or the town Dilla [38]
• Citation 12 does not mention “Dilla Massacre” [39] or the town Dilla [40]
• Citation 13 does not mention “Dilla Massacre” [41] or the town Dilla [42]
• Citation 14 and 15 (same reference) does not mention “Dilla Massacre” [43] or the town Dilla [44]
• Citation 16 does not make any reference to Dilla [45]
• Citation 17 discusses armed combatants being killed in Borama [46], but no results found when searching for “Dilla Massacre” [47]
• Citation 18 describes in German battle between SNM and clan militias. Explicitly states that mass killings or assassinations did not happen. [48]
• Citation 19 does not show any results for "Dilla massacre" [49] or the town Dilla [50].
• Citation 20 does not mention "Dilla massacre" [51] or the town Dilla [52].
• Citation 21 is not a reputable source, also a dead link [53].
• Citation 22 is the same citation as Citation 1.
• Citation 23 does not mention "Dilla massacre". Instead discusses a battle between SNM and 26th Brigade of Somali army in the town of Dilla in the PDF document [54]
• Citation 24 is not a reputable source, also a dead link [55]
• Citation 25 is not a reputable source [56]
• Citation 26 does not mention "Dilla massacre" [57]. Mentions a clash between SNM and militia belonging to Gadabursi [58].
• Citation 27 is the same source as citation 19.
• Citation 28 is not a reputable source [59].
• Citation 29 is the same source as citation 19. No mention of “Dilla Massacre” [60]
• Citation 30 mentions destruction in Dila, but nothing about a massacre [61].
• Citation 31 mentions a clash between Gadabursi militia and SNM in Dilla, but nothing about a massacre [62].
• Citation 32 is the same source as citation 20.
• Citation 33 mentions fighting between Gadabursi militia and SNM in Dilla, but nothing about a massacre [63].
• Citation 34 does not mention "Dilla massacre" [64] or the town Dilla [65]

As shown in the citations above, this article warrants deletion as it fails to meet

• Delete. No sources cited actually name a massacre in Dilla, but only discuss violence which was happening across Somalia at that time as covered in the Somali Civil War article. As well the citations used are not credible (e.g. http://awdalpress.com/, http://mareeg.com/). SandMan25 (talk) 16:31, 19 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 16:40, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Stanislav Vladimirovich Dumin

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Subject is not notable in any way. This reads like a CV. Kbabej (talk) 18:18, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete not even remotely close to being notable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:14, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete -
  lack of significant coverage. Knights are not automatically notable. Bearian (talk) 21:53, 18 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
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• Delete No sources and nothing of notability is described. -Lopifalko (talk) 04:22, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Owen Spencer-Thomas

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Not seeing enough in the article or through searching online to pass

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• Delete I searched, and I did not find.
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• Delete a non-notable broadcast journalist.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:23, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete As above.Dreamwoven (talk) 08:48, 15 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per above. Sources are trivial and rarely independent. Guy (help!) 21:38, 15 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per
  my searches, he's a priest and honorary canon, the latter a title given to long-serving clergy. Bearian (talk) 21:51, 18 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
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• Weak delete I searched, and I found: a profile in a local paper, the Kensington Post, from 1972, when he was appointed to his first church (some useful bio info); confirmation from TV listings that he was interviewing clerics on Southern ITV in 1977 and 1978, and from an announcement of changed positions that he was at ITV Anglia News in Bedfordshire from 1978-1985, and then moved to their news centre at Northampton. He was still with ITV Anglia in 1998, as this article [66] says "Watch an archive report from the About Anglia programme in 1998 by Owen Spencer Thomas". A History of BBC London 94.9 [67] calls him "the legendary religious broadcaster Owen Spencer-Thomas" who devised and presented the first BBC phone-in program, where listeners "suggested hymns that would be played impromptu live on-air by a Salvation Army brass band in the studio. The programme was so popular it eventually moved to Radio 2 and was presented by Gloria Hunniford." Unfortunately, as that's saying he worked for the BBC and it's the BBC writing that, it's not independent. Also, a Church Times mention of his MBE [68]. So, unless and until someone writes about his religious or other broadcasting, it appears that he does not meet any notability guidelines. RebeccaGreen (talk) 16:09, 20 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. RL0919 (talk) 23:16, 21 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Rhaumbusun

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An extremely minor D&D creature that is an non-notable variant of another, also non-notable creature. There is almost nothing regarding this monster. There are only a couple primary sources that discuss it, and no reliable secondary sources at all. Rorshacma (talk) 16:44, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Consensus here - with different editors - matches consensus from 1st AfD which was held less than six months ago and offers no substantially different notability claim. Barkeep49 (talk) 03:46, 24 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Indonesia Orthodox Church

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Although the former AfD debate has proven this denomination to exist as a religious organisation supported by the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia, there is no indicator that it is anything but a ROCOR deanery in Indonesia. Not in this article's now defunct source, not in the links given in the previous debate, not in the sources backing up Fr. Daniel Bambang Dwi Byantoro's article. Although there are a couple of articles in Wikipedia for deaneries, the only ones that should clearly be kept are either truly independent (like the Deanery of Strandebarm, as opposed to the merely alleged independence of the IOC), or are historical, such as the Deanery of St Patrick. The IOC wouldn't be the only non-church in the world to use such a title: the Polish archdiocese of Rio de Janeiro and Olinda-Recife, for instance, uses the title "Brazilian Orthodox Church", mostly in secular documents, but this doesn't make it an autonomous, let alone "independent" (autocephalous?), Orthodox jurisdiction. Leefeni^{aures audiendi audiat} 10:24, 7 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment, sorry, but doesn't it need to meet
  WP:GNG to warrant an article? i don't see the relevance of being a deanery or otherwise. Coolabahapple (talk) 04:30, 8 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]

The fact that there aren't articles on deaneries around, even though there are thousands, maybe tens of thousands, of larger ones around the world across denominations, makes me think that the Wikipedia article, and perhaps its sources, misread the real situation of the deanery, to the point that the article mentions the supposed church being "recognised" rather than submitted to the diocese, and someone even added the Indonesian Orthodox Church to this list. Leefeni^{aures audiendi audiat} 01:58, 13 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. Eastern Orthodox churches are found throughout the world and despite this denomination being small in Indonesia, it has a notable presence there. The Russkiy Mir Foundation has an article on the Indonesian Orthodox Church. [69] Bmbaker88 (talk) 23:37, 11 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

My point is that there is no such a thing as an "Indonesian Orthodox Church", there is the Orthodox Church in Indonesia. There are articles online for Orthodox presence in any country, which doesn't mean there is such a thing as a "Kenyan Orthodox Church" or a "Luxembourgish Orthodox Church". Leefeni^{aures audiendi audiat} 01:58, 13 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Both Comment and Cautiously Keep, as my previous reason and others who last time voting on keep this months ago, has only evidence that this "deanery" for its existence was founded as a separate predominantly accepted 'semi-canonical' Orthodox church by a semi-Autonomous Orthodox Church (the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia, itself), along there are few secondary articles treating it as much.

Plus, if you have a problem with this church existence as a universally de jure Independent/Non-canonical Eastern Orthodox Church, rather than demanding a already unnecessary second deletion within a year as the first deleted nomination already happened, why you can't debated about the problem at its talk page on renamed it as a Deanery for the semi-Autonomous Orthodox Church, and add sources to back up your claimed? Chad The Goatman (talk) 05:43, 13 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I will make the relevant editions, but, regarding why I suggested a deletion debate, I have already answered. Leefeni^{aures audiendi audiat} 18:07, 13 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. Notable small denomination. I find the repeated AfD nominations disruptive. Wm335td (talk) 17:59, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge with and redirect to Russian Orthodox Diocese of Sydney, Australia and New Zealand since this deanery is part of this diocese since 2003. Veverve (talk) 23:10, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent idea, thank you. I agree. Leefeni^{aures audiendi audiat} 04:10, 15 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Coolabahapple, Bmbaker88, Chad the Goatman, and Wm335td: Any thoughts?

• Comment: I think some of you confuse the subject of this article (a deanery of the ROCOR) with the subject of an article which does not exist (yet) on the English Wikipedia: Eastern Orthodoxy in Indonesia [ru]. Veverve (talk) 02:00, 21 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep notable religious organization which passes the notability requirements as established by the first AFD. Article still needs improvement and expansion though. Although I do not support such a proposition, in the case that there is not a consensus to keep, a move to Eastern Orthodoxy in Indonesia would probably be most appropriate.  Inter&anthro (talk) 14:35, 21 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Easily passes
  WP:GNG. There's no need to move either as the title is the legal name of the diocese per the cited reliable source. The article is fine as it is. I would further note that the diocese is an actual institution and is notable on its own. "Eastern Orthodoxy in Indonesia" would be a completely separate and broader topic on the history of Eastern Orthodoxy in that country. The institution would still need it's own separate article.4meter4 (talk) 19:14, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete. Social media follower numbers are not an accepted standard of notability. RL0919 (talk) 23:18, 21 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Dhar Mann

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Pretty low-profile figure; notable for his crime or so it seems ..... Invoking

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• Delete. Hyperbolick (talk) 15:50, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete This person is a run of the mill businessman who was engaged in criminal fraud. Nothing of notability here.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:16, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Non-notable per
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• Keep: >744000 subscribers and gaining more than 10000 subscribers in some days. 729461 followers on Instagram. Appears relevant enough to me.  –– Handroid7  【talk】 12:40, 16 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Bahia Massoundi

• Article about a local person, sources are some local coverage. No evidence of meeting WP:GNG Early life and education - no references; Career: Massoundi worked as a teacher at the Mursamudu High School from 2001 until 2010. She was a delegate for human rights between 2011 and 2013. no references --"In June 2015, he was arrested for selling tests.[5]" references her husband Dreerwin (talk) 01:02, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep - The subject meets
  WP:NPOL as Minister of Posts and Telecommunications, Transport and Tourism in the government of Comoros. -- Whpq (talk) 01:00, 16 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
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• Comment Just being an elected local official, or an unelected candidate for political office, does not guarantee notability, although such people can still be notable if they meet the general notability guideline, which she doesnt --Dreerwin (talk) 03:32, 16 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Quoting from
    WP:NPOL: "Politicians and judges who have held international, national, or sub-national (e.g., province- or state-wide) office..." (emphasis added). The position she holds is not a local political office.-- Whpq (talk) 05:04, 16 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
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The result was delete. With the caveat that a recreation as a well sourced article with quality text is still possible, as many participants have indicated that the topic may be notable but its current writeup be poor. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 16:40, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Vladimir Nasedkin

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Prodded long ago, still reads like a resume, fails

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• I don't see that the subject fails WP:NARTIST if the claims in the Collections section are true. Those are some of the most important collections in Russia, if not the world. Unfortunately, I have not been able to confirm any of them, which maybe due to my reliance on machine translations. If they can be sourced, Nasedkin meets criterion 4(d):The person's work (or works) has ... been represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums. Vexations (talk) 22:39, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment - In it's present form this resumé does not make the cut as an article, however, if the several of the museum collections can be proven with verifiable RS's, the article would pass. Netherzone (talk) 23:43, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete As written, this is just a personal resume, and a completely unsourced one. Was he actually represented anywhere? We do not know. Russian language links on the page look like that - empty. Same with page Tatiana Badanina, created by same accounts, with obvious WP:COI problem My very best wishes (talk) 01:50, 15 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak delete. Perhaps a legitimate page could be created, but that one was clearly written as an advertisement and created by an account with obvious WP:COI. My very best wishes (talk) 04:53, 17 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - I checked several of the collections listed in this article, and they all came up unverifiable. There is no way to know whether his work is actually in the museum collections listed in this unsourced article. Netherzone (talk) 19:52, 15 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment, appears to have been copied from Russian WP (that unfortunately has the same external links), English version created 24 May 2013 while Russian version created 27 November 2012, also, both articles created by the same user, doesn't look good. Coolabahapple (talk) 06:06, 16 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment, a patient editor (alas, not i:)) may be able to find enough
  sources to save this article, have found some ie. has exhibited at Erarta (Geometry of Light joint exhibition 2016), Saratov Art Museum (Actual Russia: Adult Choice group exhibition 2019), Museum of Moscow (Red Wings of Constructivism group exhibition 2016), one of the founders of Moscow Museum of Modern Art's School of Contemporary Art ‘Free Workshops’, but more may be needed? Coolabahapple (talk) 07:21, 16 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
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Indeed, your first link shows he had an exhibition in

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• Weak keep, subject to massive TNT. This is obviously a promotional autobiography. I suggest keep, and that we delete all unsourced items. Notability is established weakly by items kindly found by
  talk) 17:36, 16 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
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Switched to Delete. It has existed too long without inline sourcing. It does need complete TNT, which may as well be deletion in this case, as there will be nothing left after TNT. Is someone recreates it in properly sourced form at some point in the future, that would be acceptable.

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• Comment. Please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tatiana Badanina where User:Netherzone discusses a likely COI (the two related articles might have been created by the subject of his family). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:58, 17 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per
  good citations. Bearian (talk) 22:01, 18 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
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• Delete without prejudice to it being recreated in future, should someone find adequate sources for the claims which on the face of it are ample enough for
  WP:ARTIST. It has been in the same state since it was created in 2013, so there is no indication that anyone is so far willing to do that. -Lopifalko (talk) 04:40, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
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• Weak delete He may well be notable - his name certainly appears in Russian language publications and exhibition catalogues. It would need someone who can read Russian, and probably also has access to more than Google Books snippet views, to assess those sources. I haven't yet found his work in any museum collections. There are other Nasedkins - an artist called Nikolaj Nikolaevic Nasedkin, also born in 1954; an architect called Sergei Nasedkin; a pianist called Alexander Nasedkin - etc. This Nasedkin has certainly had exhibitions, but finding reviews of them would, again, need someone with access to Russian language sources and the ability to read them. This [70] is more promotional than a review. So, delete for now, no prejudice against recreation with sources. RebeccaGreen (talk) 14:20, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Tales From The Vault

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  WP:NALBUM not met. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 23:13, 16 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
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The result was keep. RL0919 (talk) 13:05, 21 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

École Franco-Polonaise

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A short lived private university. Kept 10 years ago when we used to think all schools are notable. Today, per

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• Delete. Complete lack of references. Likely lack of accreditation is also telling.--Darwinek (talk) 22:02, 6 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• I'm going to give what I think a fair summary of the present position for universities, not a statement of what I would prefer personally: We never had a practice that all schools are notable. We did have and to a considerable extent still do have a practice that we normally keep articles on secondary schools (or if not kept because of lack of information, merge them) , and normally delete ones on primary schools or merge them to the city or district. There was a much disputed RfC, that ended with the ambiguous decision that one could not just quote the SCHOOLCOMM paragraph in Common practices as an argument. It said nothing at all about what the actual practice should be in any particular case. The net effect of it is that we now do not generally keep the very scantiest articles on secondary schools but merge them instead; which ones we keep as separate article or merge/redirect is a case by case decision. In practice, very few existing articles have been nominated for deletion, but we are much less likely to accept new articles if they're minimal.

As for universities, we've almost always kept them unless the information is hopelessly minimal, or unless it's clear they are just a trivial branch of another institution, or unless the status can not actually be determined (as is frequently the case in some countries, notably India) but there was never a full general discussion about that. They were mentioned once or twice in the RfC, but the focus was on secondary schools. To the extent that there is any strength in the argument for keeping secondary schools, those arguments for keeping them generally would apply all the more to universities.

• Keep I added two good refs. I think they are quite sufficient to show notability (note that there are other schools with a very similar name, mostly primary schools, and a few institutes in other subjects, and apparently some schools founded in France in the 1920s and 30s. If kept, the full name will be necessary. DGG ( talk ) 00:52, 7 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think the main issue, IMHO, is that we should avoid promoting
    WP:YELLOWPAGES like entry for what, gain, might have been a degree mill. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:10, 7 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
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  • Based on the article in The Echo, it was an attempt to bring the French ecole model of premier schools to Poland, not a degree mill, I don't see the basis for thinking it otherwise. The author, Stanislas du Guerny , is a major French journalistspecialising in economics. . DGG ( talk ) 05:57, 7 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per DGG. -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:58, 8 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nomination and the comments from Darwinek. KingofGangsters (talk) 17:43, 13 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per DGG.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 20:24, 13 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment - would veer on the side of delete from a purely educational perspective (no notable graduates, limited length of existence of the école), however the closure itself might be notable. This Liberation (in French) article details how subsidies were withdrawn leading to the closure following the elimination of France Telecom from tendering for a GSM network in Poland in the mid-90s and the Polish governemnt failing to meet earlier funding commitments. Possibly then notable for failures in corporate subsidised education and economic conflict in Franco-Polish relations....also interesting to note Presidents of both countries trumpeted the school... Chirac called it a «monument de l'intégration européenne» ... cough, cough --Goldsztajn (talk) 11:17, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - per the sources added by DGG and the Liberation article cited above. Notable as an example of Franco-Polish co-operations, an attempt to spread the French model of schooling, and for its apparent failure. FOARP (talk) 14:46, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - per the improved
  WP:RSs and the Liberation article. Wm335td (talk) 18:02, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
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Canadian Business College

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This spammy low-quality article attracts about 12 page views per day,[71] but it's hung around as a blight on Wikipedia for years. It's time to put the article to rest. Here's why.

All colleges are presumed notable — including small for-profit career colleges — unless someone has investigated and found that the school fails

I glanced through some of the article's sources.

• Mississauga.com is a community-journalism website which devotes lots of attention to routine coverage of local businesses. It's kind of like a weekly small-town newspaper, except that it's online.
• Study Magazine and Top Choice Magazine may both be low-budget free magazines which exist mainly to sell ads.
• The various accrediting bodies confirm that the school exists, but I'm not sure that they say much more about it.
• Press-release websites, such as Newswire.ca website, are not acceptable for proving notability either.

I also did some searching. I think that significant coverage of the school may not exist in any reliable, independent sources.

Yes — all colleges are presumed notable, unless shown otherwise. However, now that I've searched and failed to find sufficient sourcing, I hope I've shown that this presumption should not apply to this particular college.

The article was created three times. The first two iterations were deleted per

I thank Kingboyk for inspiring[73] me to create this AfD nomination. —Unforgettableid (talk) 21:31, 6 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep. There's this Globe and Mail article [74], this MacLean's article [75], and it's listed as a private career college at ontario.ca [76]. Clovermoss (talk) 23:24, 7 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion. Dear @

WP:WHYN says: "If only a few sentences could be written and supported by sources about the subject, that subject does not qualify for a separate page, but should instead be merged into an article about a larger topic or relevant list." Do these sources offer enough coverage of Canadian Business College to allow us to write an entire (non-stub) article about the school? I suspect that the answer is No, but I'm interested to hear your thoughts. —Unforgettableid (talk) 23:48, 7 October 2019 (UTC)[reply

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@Unforgettableid: My thoughts are if that's all there is that I can find, then I agree with you. I plan to do a bit more digging, but it's possible I won't find anything else. I just thought it was worthwhile to point out independent reliable sources do mention the college. And since it has previously been deleted through G11 twice, I thought it was kind of interesting that the coverage was about formal complaints. I'm thinking that more in-depth coverage might be outside what can typically be found in a Google search. I'm a grade 12 student in Ontario, so there's other resources available to me that might prove more useful. Clovermoss (talk) 23:59, 7 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Unforgettableid: Okay, so I've done another half hour of research and while I'll do more tomorrow, this is what I have found:

• [77] This is from the Ontario Ministry of Training, Colleges and Universities. It's about key performance indicators, and there's there's dedicated pdfs for a report on each of the three campuses.
• [78] Another mention from the Globe and Mail, with the former CEO of the college commenting on the Ottawa Business College scandal.
• [79] Career Colleges Ontario also mentions the CEO, albeit this is also a passing mention.
• [80] This article from IT World Canada.

As I said, I plan to do more research tomorrow. Do you think any of these demonstrate general notability? I'm genuinely interested in your input, as I don't really have much experience with AfD.

—Clovermoss (talk) 00:54, 8 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Dear @Clovermoss: The KPI data at [81] might be useful data for anyone considering going to the school. It might be too difficult to weave the data into the article, but we could link to it in a "Further reading" section. Newer KPI data is available in HTML format at [82]. Your links [8] and [9] are passing mentions, definitely not useful for proving notability. Your IT World Canada link [10] might be mildly useful because it hints at just how tiny the school is; for comparison, George Brown College has about 30,000 full-time students. Note that IT World Canada is a trade publication, and I suspect that coverage may not be useful for proving notability.

In general, if Canadian Business College has any notability, I think it might be borderline at best. It may be true that, in general, the coverage in independent reliable sources fails to discuss the college in sufficient detail. Feel free to spend as many hours as you like searching for more sources. But, if I may offer a suggestion: As

wrote, "Every hour you spend at Wikipedia is an hour from your life. Do you have something more important to do? Consider doing it first." And, even if you choose to spend that time on Wikipedia, I might suggest that you might like to spend some of that time on some other tasks, such as dealing with some of Wikipedia's numerous task backlogs

.

Regarding articles (created by professional spammers and/or their throwaway accounts) about private corporations (like this business college) and about living people, I'm a deletionist. Such articles tend to attract spam edits by users with conflicts of interest. There generally aren't enough watchers to catch all of these spam edits. Some of these edits remain live for years. It's easier just to delete the articles, and to

salt

their titles if necessary. That way, Wikipedians can focus their limited time on more-important things.

I still think it'd be best to delete our article, thereby prioritizing the overall quality of Wikipedia over our exact quantity of articles. If anyone ever expands our

Proprietary colleges

.

Have I yet convinced you to change or retract your original

non-vote

? :)

Kind regards, —Unforgettableid (talk) 04:20, 8 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Unforgettableid: Yes. Since deletion on notability is suppossed to discuss whether or not a topic is actually notable and the limited coverage I've found is mostly passing mentions/routine coverage, I do change my mind on the keep, because you're right, this college is not notable. I'm going to have to look up how to strike through my text to change the vote. I appreciate the link to the notvote thing, as this is more of a discussion on my part than a vote anyways. As for the time I spend on Wikipedia - I respectfully disagree that it's a waste of my time to do stuff like this, or else I wouldn't have done it. I don't spend much time at AfD, and I've already taken a look at the backlogs that exist. I have every intention to help there where I can. 21:49, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Dear @Clovermoss: It's good that you were willing to change your mind; good openmindedness! I didn't mean to imply that working on Wikipedia itself was a waste of time. I meant to imply that, after you've spent a reasonable amount of time looking for sources to show that a certain subject is notable, spending more time looking for additional sources might _then_ be a waste of time. :) —Unforgettableid (talk) 01:22, 10 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete, I'd say. While it's received some press coverage, much of it is related to
  routine coverage. As well, the other sources are predominantly the subject's website (that is, the college) or reports from regulators. A question: as a matter of practice, do we list all for-profit, privately accredited career colleges? Doug Mehus (talk) 01:14, 9 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
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Dear @

WP:GNG, it should be deleted, whether it's a for-profit school or a non-profit school. —Unforgettableid (talk) 01:28, 10 October 2019 (UTC)[reply

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Unforgettableid, Ah, thanks for pointing out the policies to me. So, it's not really the fact that they're a private college. That's actually good to hear. I will leave my Delete vote up then, since it seems to be the only vote in favour besides the proponent.

• Strong Keep The first argument that the nominator makes is that it is "spammy" - but
  WP:PRESERVE Lightburst (talk) 00:38, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
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  Note, passes

  WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES #2. Most independently accredited degree-awarding[1] institutions and high schools have historically been kept except when zero independent sources can be found to prove that the institution actually exists. Lightburst (talk) 03:21, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply

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  • Note2, except it explicitly states at

    HighKing⁺⁺ 21:37, 15 October 2019 (UTC)[reply

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• Delete - fails
  WP:GNG, non-noteble, spammy written like a promotional brochure with program details. salt it since it is 3rd creation. (Iamchinahand (talk) 05:14, 14 October 2019 (UTC))[reply
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  Note that the first two versions which were speedied in 2008 looked nothing like the current article, they were just pure spam. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 11:22, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Totally
  HighKing⁺⁺ 11:46, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
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• Weak delete. If we remove
  degree mills, and we should not promote them. Now I have second thoughts on whether I should've withdrawn this nom a week weeks ago: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Panineeya Institute of Dental Sciences & Research Centre. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 14:02, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
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• Keep Notable college: article that is much improved as filelakeshoe has stated. Colleges which bestow degrees are notable. Wm335td (talk) 18:05, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note Nope, Colleges bestowing degrees are not automatically notable. As per this February 2017 RFC.
    HighKing⁺⁺ 21:37, 15 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
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    • You mean the RfC that was not in any way about tertiary institutions but only about secondary schools?! However, having said that (and agreeing that degree-awarding institutions are notable), I can't see any evidence that it does bestow degrees. Only diplomas. -- Necrothesp (talk) 17:53, 21 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Sourcing does not seem adequate to meet notability requirements -- seems to be either not independent of the subject, simple listings in databases or registrations, or promotional press release language.--Yaksar (let's chat) 07:53, 19 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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This page was nominated at the subject's request. Ruby Hamad is a "not particularly well-known" journalist in Australia. She expressed to me (via Facebook) that she believes the page was created purely as a form of trolling, and the history of the page does indicate a lot of unsourced negative commentary (since removed). My own research does tend to support the idea that she is not sufficiently notable to have her own page. Most of the references are to the journalist's own work and not to any 3rd party source. Manning (talk) 10:41, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Based on the included references this page doesn't seem to meet the notability criteria set out in
  Wikipedia:AUTHOR, almost all of the references that are not dead links being links to non-Wikipedia articles by Ruby Hamad herself. Daneark (talk) 15:40, 14 October 2019 (UTC) — Daneark (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply
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• Delete a non-notable journalist. We really need to pub more stringent rules on article creation.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:58, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Agree with
  Wikipedia:NACADEMIC. Tastyworm (talk) 09:47, 15 October 2019 (UTC) — Tastyworm (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply
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• Keep. WP:AUTHOR. Her book White Tears/Brown Scars has been widely reviewed. egs. [83], [84], [85], [86], [87]. duffbeerforme (talk) 03:17, 16 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Which of the criteria in

Wikipedia:AUTHOR do you feel she meets? I can't see any mention of that book at all on her wikipedia page which seems like a strange omission given how much reading must have been done for the personal life section, now heavily cut down. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Daneark (talk • contribs) 17:08, 16 October 2019 (UTC)[reply

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The bit about the authors work getting critical attention. duffbeerforme (talk) 22:52, 16 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. The subject of the article, as an articulate and forthright woman of Syrian origins, has been subjected to a series of relentless on line attacks of which this article was one. It is not research, it is a form of cyberstalking that does nothing for wikipedias reputation. She wants it gone. PierreABCD (talk) 11:32, 16 October 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by PierreABCD (talk • contribs) 09:47, 16 October 2019 (UTC) — PierreABCD (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

• Delete. I'd never heard of Ruby (and I'm Australian). Nothing in the page, or in a thorough ProQuest News search, indicates she meets
  WP:NOTE. Cabrils (talk) 05:44, 17 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
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OK user:Cabrils, so you've commented purely on what's currently in the article. How about now consider what is not currently there. Such as her book and the coverage that has generated such as the above provided links. I suggest that as we should be looking at the notability of the subject and not just the current state of the article which can be changed. duffbeerforme (talk) 12:40, 17 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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WP:HEY but in this case I admit to being less inclined to do so because of Manning's explanation, which is convincing. In any event, as I said, a ProQuest search did not return any results I felt comfotable adding as relevant citations. Cabrils (talk) 01:35, 18 October 2019 (UTC)[reply

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• Delete This page does not meet the notability criteria set out in
  Wikipedia:AUTHOR nor has her book has not been reviewed by any serious publication aside indie-blogs. Furthermore, links on this page lead to non-Wikipedia articles written by Ruby Hamad herself. However, her requests that she 'wants this page gone' should not influence this discussion as Ruby has attracted criticism through her own actions by making inflammatory claims with articles such as 'white women use strategic tears to silence women of colour'. Like any other individual online, she should not be free from being criticised for her words or actions, especially if they are intended to cause controversy. User:PierreABCD's comment that she is 'an articulate and forthright woman of Syrian origins' shows clear favoritism bias and holds no relevance to this discussion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MrEarlGray (talk • contribs) 11:28, 19 October 2019 (UTC) — MrEarlGray (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply
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• Delete on the sole grounds that she's requested it on the grounds of ongoing BLP issues. She's a prominent columnist and successful published author and most of the arguments being given about objective notability above are nonsense (as Duffbeerforme illustrates with sources above), but since I suppose it's like, 1% arguable I'd agree with deferring to her wishes. The Drover's Wife (talk) 00:43, 20 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]