Talk:List of busiest ports in Europe
This article is rated List-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | |||||||||||
|
Problems by user BlueSulla
Where does the data used in the references 1 - 4 (site: http://aapa.files.cms-plus.com/) (As of 9th August 2014) originate from? The four documents are hosted on a website that that appears to unrelated to any authoritative secondary source. There is no name of source in any of the PDF files which have been created in Excel. BlueSulla (talk) 01:05, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
- Sources exist in article, next to the date (year) in tables. All sources use PDF file and has name, for example "WORLD PORT RANKINGS - 2011" on the top of table. Internet adress show clearly that the data come from the AAPA Official Page. Subtropical-man talk
(en-2) 13:51, 9 August 2014 (UTC)- Hi, Re your post on my Talk page: If you had read the article's Talk page, you will have noticed that I had already raised the issue for discussion. I did not remove the data, nor did I amend the content of the article other that to add a label as specified in the wiki help pages concerning questionable sources. As it stands, the comment and the labelling of the article is still relevant; even though the data is available in the PDF documents, the source of the data is not explicate - i.e. the source is not clearly identified in the documents. The documents are also hosted on a site which can not be identifiable as relevant, and has no link to the purported source of the data. In short, the data may be valid, but the citations are not. In addition, please note that I am not an inexperienced editor, and that it is not appropriate to be making threats.BlueSulla (talk) 15:39, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
- You wrong. Sources use PDF files to show data as tables and also source has name, for example "WORLD PORT RANKINGS - 2011" etc on the top of table. Simply: these are publications by AAPA available as PDF files, located on the official website of AAPA. There are no problems. If you have any questions - just your own problem. Your change (used templates) has been recognized as an irrational.
- Hi, Re your post on my Talk page: If you had read the article's Talk page, you will have noticed that I had already raised the issue for discussion. I did not remove the data, nor did I amend the content of the article other that to add a label as specified in the wiki help pages concerning questionable sources. As it stands, the comment and the labelling of the article is still relevant; even though the data is available in the PDF documents, the source of the data is not explicate - i.e. the source is not clearly identified in the documents. The documents are also hosted on a site which can not be identifiable as relevant, and has no link to the purported source of the data. In short, the data may be valid, but the citations are not. In addition, please note that I am not an inexperienced editor, and that it is not appropriate to be making threats.BlueSulla (talk) 15:39, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
Sorry, but your assertion seems to be incorrect. When I checked there was no indication in the document to indicate that the data is connected in anyway to the claimed source. In addition, the document is hosted on a site that appears to have no connection with the claimed source. The data may originate from the claimed source since I see no benefit in fabricating the data, but I question if the data has been obtained through an official channel, or indeed if it is authorised for publication without charge. BlueSulla (talk)
- PS. You wrote "In addition, please note that I am not an inexperienced editor, and that it is not appropriate to be making threats" - new user which creates the edit war is often blocked. This is only information. Secondly: you has about 50 edits, after analyzing your edits we (other users) can be inferred, that your account is sockpuppet. How do you explain your experience and your account with 50 editions? Subtropical-man talk]
(en-2) 17:50, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
- PS. You wrote "In addition, please note that I am not an inexperienced editor, and that it is not appropriate to be making threats" - new user which creates the edit war is often blocked. This is only information. Secondly: you has about 50 edits, after analyzing your edits we (other users) can be inferred, that your account is
Again, this just sounds like an attempt at character assassination to deflect from the lack of a reference for the source material.
"Firstly: sources exist in article, next to the date (year) in tables. Thoroughly explained in the discussion. Subtropical-man talk (en-2) 13:44, 9 August 2014 (UTC)" It was not myself that initiated the conversations via the personal pages. BlueSulla (talk)
"Secondly: please do not create edit-war against experienced editors, very soon you will be blocked, if you do not change your behavior. Subtropical-man talk (en-2) 13:44, 9 August 2014 (UTC)" I did not make any attempt to start an edit war - you removed comments regarding the quality of the references to the source without any discussion, but included inappropriate attacks an threats. BlueSulla (talk)
"Thirdly: do you have questions or concerns? First discuss, later changes (if there is consensus). Subtropical-man talk (en-2) 13:44, 9 August 2014 (UTC)" In that case, I suggest that you practice what you preach. BlueSulla (talk)
"PS. After analyzing your edits we (other users) can be inferred, that you is sockpuppet. You can not use more than one account, this is prohibited. Subtropical-man talk (en-2) 17:38, 9 August 2014 (UTC)" Again, another blatant attempt at character assassination; I am not a "sockpuppet", I have only one account. BlueSulla (talk)
Badly needs updating
I have already updated the passenger traffic table and linked to the new source. Is anyone looking after this page? If so, please get in touch. I have a passing interest in container shipping, but am not an expert. A brief search for up to date data shows no clear route. I would be happy to unscramble this page and update but it needs quite a radical revision. I don't want to spend lots of time on this and find someone dives in and reverts everything.
If no response after a week I will make a start. kritikos99 (talk) 14:03, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
External links modified
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 6 external links on List of busiest ports in Europe. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
- Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20141006122431/http://appsso.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/nui/submitViewTableAction.do to http://appsso.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/nui/submitViewTableAction.do
- Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20141006122431/http://appsso.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/nui/submitViewTableAction.do to http://appsso.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/nui/submitViewTableAction.do
- Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20141006122431/http://appsso.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/nui/submitViewTableAction.do to http://appsso.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/nui/submitViewTableAction.do
- Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20141006122431/http://appsso.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/nui/submitViewTableAction.do to http://appsso.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/nui/submitViewTableAction.do
- Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20141006122431/http://appsso.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/nui/submitViewTableAction.do to http://appsso.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/nui/submitViewTableAction.do
- Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20141006122431/http://appsso.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/nui/submitViewTableAction.do to http://appsso.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/nui/submitViewTableAction.do
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018.
{{source check
- If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
- If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.
Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 17:32, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
France
Great historic ports of France were not even mentioned, and most of these are still quite important:
]Russia, Latvia, Azerbaijan, Iceland -- all completely omitted....
Russia, Latvia, Azerbaijan, Iceland -- all completely omitted...
and hence the important ports of Kaliningrad, Murmansk, Archangelsk, Riga, Baku, and Reykjavik. Hence, the entire Arctic Ocean was omitted, as was the Caspian Sea.!! 47.215.180.7 (talk) 06:19, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
- Also completely omitted were the countries of Finland, Estonia, Serbia, and Austria, including ports on inland waterways, too.24.156.78.205 (talk) 07:56, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
Many of the "important ports" of the United Kingdom were omitted
Many of the "important ports" of the United Kingdom were omitted:
Switzerland!
- Rhone River.47.215.180.7 (talk) 08:12, 28 January 2018 (UTC)]
The Danube River!
The
Now that the
- Countries along the route, including along borders, include (from west to east)
- Germany, Austria, Slovakia, Hungary, Croatia, Serbia, Bulgaria, Romania, Moldova (a very short stretch), and Ukraine.
- Major cities along the path of the Danube include Regensburg, Linz, Vienna, Bratislava (the capital city of Slovakia), Budapest, and Belgrade.
- Somehow the Main and Danube missed Munich, Most, Brno, Brux, Graz, and Zagreb.
- Also, the Danube formerly divided the two Hungarian cities of Buda and Pest.
- Somehow the Main and Danube missed Munich, Most, Brno, Brux, Graz, and Zagreb.
- Major cities along the path of the Danube include Regensburg, Linz, Vienna, Bratislava (the capital city of Slovakia), Budapest, and Belgrade.
Two same articles
Two same articles https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_busiest_container_ports#cite_note-1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_busiest_ports_in_Europe
What is a point of that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.105.10.231 (talk) 18:18, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
The Malta Freeport article says it handles 3.06 million TEUs - but I do not have enought historical info to make a table entry Wizzy…☎ 20:07, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
Units of Measure
The first table is a little problematic for 2 reasons:
- No mention of the unit of measure. I think it is ‘thousands of tonnes’ but I might be wrong
- The reference used does not link to a dataset so I cant check what units are used
This article needs a total rework
My issues with this article:
- the data is split between multiple tables, even though it generally covers the same ports and years → the data could be easily put in one table,
- there is no mention of the unit of measure,
- there is data all the way back from 2012 instead of just the most recent data → this results in a severe information bloat,
- there is only one leading source of the data i.e. Eurostat → a great number of European ports has been ommited.
What do you think about merging this article with Ports of the Baltic Sea and following the table structure that is present there (plus Body of Water column to differentiate between Baltic Sea, North Sea etc. ports)? I can kickstart the change if I get any feedback.
One different option I see is to create a dedicated article for ports of each body of water in Europe, place links to the articles there and add tables for e.g. 20 busiest cargo, container and passenger ports.
Here's a WiP draft: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Ports_of_Europe