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The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 00:39, 28 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Alsid Tafili
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Article about a footballer who fails
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- Delete - still as non-notable as the first AfD, failing both ]
- Delete, as he fails both ]
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The result was redirect to Merrick-Simmons House. (non-admin closure) Logan Talk Contributions 01:38, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The Addison on Amelia Island
B&B advert. Is not on the National Register of Historic Places listings in Nassau County, Florida although it is part of the Fernandina Beach Historic District, along with 121 other buildings. JaGatalk 23:21, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge to Fernandina Beach Historic District, on the off-chance that the search term is useful. Subject is not independently notable. I added what one might call a passing mention to the article--I hope not everything on Amelia Island is closing, because that would ruin my Spring Break plans. Drmies (talk) 23:28, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect to Merrick-Simmons House which is what it is. The B&B company just happens to occupy it. --Oakshade (talk) 23:32, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Logan Talk Contributions 01:38, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Coaching tree
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- On the fence.
Delete.A few mentions of the word do not make it an encyclopedic subject. Maybe this can be moved to Wiktionary, but it has no place here. Drmies (talk) 23:29, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply] - Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 00:15, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - this is hardly a neologism, and has been cited in thousands of news articles. Please, read ugly now, doesn't mean it can't be fixed. WP:AFD is not for fixing articles. Bearian (talk) 17:51, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Hmm Bearian, it seems that you have more than a few mentions there. As much as I hate to agree with you (haha), I am going back on the fence. (You called in the Rescue Squad, so you don't need me, I think.) Should we also have a redirect for Coaching Acorn? Drmies (talk) 18:58, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep The news search does prove it is a real thing, and quite a notable thing since they discuss various coaching trees in news articles. Dream Focus 07:06, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Dream Focus, the RescueSquad's recurrent argument is that "x number of Google hits=it is a notable topic", even if few or none of those hits actually explain what the supposed subject, beyond merely naming or mentioning it. I don't think it's that simple, but to each their own. Drmies (talk) 07:34, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- You have to use common sense. You look through the results. If something is covered in the media then its notable. Dream Focus 19:28, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Dream Focus, the RescueSquad's recurrent argument is that "x number of Google hits=it is a notable topic", even if few or none of those hits actually explain what the supposed subject, beyond merely naming or mentioning it. I don't think it's that simple, but to each their own. Drmies (talk) 07:34, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep For example, Coaching trees are discussed in John C. Maxwell's book The 21 Irrefutable Laws of Leadership in the chapter on "The Law of Reproduction" when he covers the coaching trees of Bill Walsh and Tom Landry. He noted that half of the active NFL coaches the year of publication (1998) could be traced to these two. This is way more than just fancruft, this is serious study.--Paul McDonald (talk) 05:24, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep This is an encyclopedic topic.--WP:FOUR) 07:37, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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- Keep - Seems to be enough sources to create an encyclopedic article. spout 20:13, 25 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to Kanata, Ontario#Schools. Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:08, 28 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Katimavik Elementary School
Elementary schools are not presumed notable, and there's nothing to indicate that this school is notable enough for an article.
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- Speedy redirect to Kanata, Ontario. (or possibly List of schools of the Ottawa-Carleton District School Board per prev. AfD.) OSbornarfcontributionatoration 00:02, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete -- notability not demonstrated in a ]
- Redirect No reliable sources. Five Years 13:53, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect as per standard procedure. Kudpung (talk) 16:02, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect per lack of notability for this particular school. Note that this is a recreation of previously deleted page (see first AfD) that does not solve these same issues that led to its deletion there. DMacks (talk) 18:40, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect to Kanata, Ontario#Schools per usual practice. It is already listed there. --MelanieN (talk) 19:10, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect To appropriate district/area article.Tofutwitch11 (TALK) 22:58, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Withdrawn, didn't notice the sourcing. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 02:24, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Stylistic device
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Long list of dicdefs. Most, if not all of these, already have their own articles, so this is a terribly redundant list. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 21:04, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep – Clearly a notable phrase as shown by the results of the Google Scholar search, as shown here [1]. Informative, referenced and well written piece. Could even be expanded on! Not much more we can ask for an article here at Wikipedia. Thanks ShoesssS Talk 21:30, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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- Keep insanely common term in Literary discussions, would probably respawn itself within a couple weeks, though I agree it shouldn't just be a list, Sadads (talk) 00:14, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Well, that's the problem, I think. It's really a very generic term, and the article in its current state duplicates content from elsewhere, which dilutes efforts at sharply defining each of them. If it is to be kept, it should come in the form of a general definition followed by links to main articles. Drmies (talk) 00:36, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep notable entry, although could use a clean up. (Btw - the AfD doesn't seem to be transcluded - still shows as a redlink. ) talk) 00:24, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 00:41, 28 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Chicago Avenue (Evanston, Illinois)
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Contested Prod. Does not appear to be a
- Delete I don't see any notability here at all. Unless some is added, this should be deleted. It could be merged as suggested above if one or two reliable sources were found.LedRush (talk) 21:25, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- When this was prodded I said "As the connector between two notable streets, I believe it may be notable. The problem is that it is probably hard to G-test in the presence of WP:FOUR) 21:59, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- When this was prodded I said "As the connector between two notable streets, I believe it may be notable. The problem is that it is probably hard to G-test in the presence of
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- Delete - Appears like another ordinary suburban road. Dough4872 02:50, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. No reliable independent sources have been provided. This article is basically just a road map in prose. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 05:46, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete No significant independent coverage; about the only coverage I could find was this, and it's from the city. Worth a mention in Evanston, Illinois#Transportation, perhaps, but that's about it. TheCatalyst31 Reaction•Creation 09:47, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete (read down). This has to be one of the worst AfDs I've ever seen, simply due to the incredibly large number of non-votes. Using Ye Olde Bean Countinge Method, we come up with 7 keeps, 7 merge/keeps and 3 deletes. This would appear to indicate some form of article should be kept here, but that reckons without the uselessness of the commentary. Hazardous Matt didn't give a reason for his decision, Antonashi thinks that WP:CRYSTAL only applies to the "delete" group, WWEFan's argument is
So, merge. Simple enough. Except the merge comments cannot be understood to be simply "merge it all", because that would violate
The Corre (professional wrestling)
The subject matter is a professional wrestling stable that has yet to debut on television let alone establish some sort of notability to warrant an article. After a few months of existence, an article might be noteworthy, but until then, the subject doesn't deserve a page.
P.S. I tagged the article for speedy deletion under A7, but a primary editor removed the tag. Instead of reverting it, I decided to bring it up at AFD instead. Feedback ☎ 20:20, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
DeleteMerge and add any sourced and notable information to The Nexus (professional wrestling). Hazardous Matt (talk) 20:31, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]Comment I'm staying neutral on this one. Like I've said before, it'll more than likely be recreated after Smackdown airs and more sources start popping up, so I guess it's not a big loss. ☆ Antoshi ☆ T | C 20:44, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]- Keep Well there's one day left and I've been noticing more and more people crystalballing by predicting that the group will split up. You can't cite Crystal when people say "this group is going to be notable" and then make your own predictions. Wikipedia is about sticking with the facts. The facts, as I see them, is that this group was created from a tight-knit group that's still around. All these men (save for Jackson) have a penchant to staying true to a group, and so I really see no reason for them to just suddenly split up like a random tag team made on a whim. ☆ Antoshi ☆ T | C 13:36, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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- Keep and Merge with Wade Barrett. The Corre is a seperate entity from The Nexus. Mentions can be made in that article that following Barrett's ejection he went to Smackdown and formed a new group, but until the group is established as being as signifcant as previous stables (SES, Nexus, Legacy) then we might as well just make mention of it in the respective articles of its members. -- TRTX T / C 00:12, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- I think it may be better to list a passing reference in the individual wrestler's articles, but keep it in the Nexus article rather than Wade Barrett. The Nexus article is already a centralized point of history for a group that involved Barrett, Slater and Gabriel. A few lines in a subheading may be the best way to go. Hazardous Matt (talk) 20:24, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete We didn't make an article for the Nexus after one week of existance, so why should we make an exception for this group? WWEFan225 MessageContributions 21:10, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Because when Nexus was formed not only did it not have a name for the group, but the group of eight were relative unknowns fresh off NXT. The notability of Nexus is the reason why it was created so quickly. ☆ Antoshi ☆ T | C 22:18, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Keep We had this exact same discussion before with the Nexus, literally almost the same words, so I'll say there what I say here but more clearly: clearly this is going to be involved in a storyline. Wade Barrett is in the middle of a major push, this storyline spans not one but two WWE shows. It involves something close to a dozen people or more, including members of a now-famous group. You don't have to know anything about wrestling, or even have seen wrestling, to know that this is clealy the start of some major story arc. If we delete this or merge it or whatever we'll be right back here in six months when they're fighting the Undertaker or John Cena or whatever...why? It's one thing to say that, in some causes, people jump the gun--but they're telegraphing a major plot point here loud enough people are picking it up on radar in Russia, it's not premature to rightly point out that when everyone on screen is screaming "This is IMPORTANT!" like they're mad then clearly, WWE thinks this is important.18-Till-I-Die (talk) 04:00, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Keep They are just like any stable and will become a major plot and will influence WWE majorly, its the new stables coming through that hold the future for the dwindling tag team division, also this stable includes 2 Former Tag Team Champs, the last ever ECW champ and a 'Future Hall Of Famer' - WWE. And Thats The Bottom Line, Because Stone Cold Said So! --Jimsta28 (talk) 04:55, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge to Wade Barrett. All keep votes violate WP:CRYSTAL. The group has not established notability yet. Nikki♥311 06:01, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete or merge with [whatever]. Future event that might be notable, but nonetheless WP:CRYSTAL. [CharlieEchoTango] 09:01, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect/Merge with Talk) 12:20, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Keep The Corre just became an official stable this past Friday, but came together a week or two ago. They are already a big storyline, just like Nexus was when they first debuted. When The Nexus debuted, you knew they were going to be a major storyline. Well, The Corre is already a major storyline. Even if this gets deleted, it will be put back up next week when the storyline grows even more. Just because they haven't done much, doesn't mean they will just fall off the radar and never become an important group. You know they will be a big group. Zsmalls629 19:37, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- The thing is, we don't know it will be a major player in the scheme of things. For example, World Elite. That group did nothing notable. Hazardous Matt (talk) 19:40, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Not to mention if it this article does get deleted and subsequently recreated the following week, it would be speedily deleted under ]
- Keep The stable is officially listed as part of the Smackdown roster on the WWE website. It's notable enough to be acknowledged there and deserves the same treatment here. NJZombie (talk) 20:57, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge with WP:CRYSTAL. None of the keep statements so far has noted why it's notable now as opposed to possible notability in the future. -- Θakster 21:42, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Definite Keep WWE.com has officially added all the member to its Smackdown brand and The Corre is on its Power 25 here : http://www.wwe.com/inside/power25/ (Its number 10) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimsta28 (talk • contribs) 01:04, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Did this guy seriously vote twice? Feedback ☎ 04:49, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- He did indeed. And anyway, Power 25 doesn't necessarily signify notability. I could very well pick out from the archives joint listings for Jeri-Show and ShoMiz. None of these groups have an article and I'd say at this point they're more notable than the Corre. -- Θakster 14:09, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Did this guy seriously vote twice? Feedback ☎ 04:49, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Keep An entry doesn't lack of notability only because someone is too blind to see it. The Corre is officially recognized by WWE.com and it's enough. --94.163.110.214 (talk) 17:49, 23 January 2011 (UTC) — 94.163.110.214 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
- KEEP KEEP KEEP This is The Nexus Deletion discussion all over again. You all claimed that they weren't notable just because they wen't around attacking The RAW locker room and Ricky The Dragon Steamboat and yet look how Nexus is now it's under the leader of CM Punk and much has happened since their Debut on Viewer's Choice Raw. Need I remind you The Corre was founded by the SAME man who led The Nexus on their reign of terror over Raw for a good portion of 2010. Can we at least give this a few weeks before trying to kill an article about this group I mean it is possible (kaybe) that they did take out Teddy Long on Friday. While anything can happen in 6 days from now that's how pro wrestling works backstage rumors and dirtsheets and etc.--Voices in my Head WrestleMania XXVII 18:11, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Rumors and speculation are not grounds for keeping an article regarding a splinter faction that has failed to do accomplish anything significant. And there are quite a few !votes suggesting the content be merged with either Wade Barrett or the Nexus (which I believe is optimal), so it isn't as if the content would be lost. Hazardous Matt (talk) 23:42, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Haz it has only been 2 weeks these things tend to grow. Just because it's just one paragraph about its 2 week existence don't mean that's how it'll stay. We ALWAYS EXPAND these kind of articles. GIVE IT TIME for Christ Sake this was what was the VERY 1st ENTRY of Nexus was [2]. But its expanded VERY VERY MUCH.--Voices in my Head WrestleMania XXVII 23:56, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- We aren't saying that the article wont grow and expand, it just hasn't done anything worth of note at the moment and is as I put it earlier just the Aftermath of Nexus, the difference between Nexus and The Corre is the fact Nexus had a WWE Title shot in waiting which was worth of note and if I remember at the time they all were going into the SummerSlam Main Event which is a big four PPV there certainly was notability with Nexus, The Corre has done hardly anything to gain notability which suggests that it would be more suited to merge the current information in another article. Talk) 03:00, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- You may be right but it won't help that some asshole brought up deletion after just 2 apperances. If this was 6 or 8 weeks after their debut and they still hadn't done anything then yeah you would have a better point but still they've only been on SmackDown for 2 show, TWO GODDAMN SHOWS GODDAMMIT. Can we at least see what happens this Friday before we continue this completely assanine discussion started by some stupid asshole who lost his ability to think many years ago otherwise he or she would know that these guys are probably who're responsible for Teddy Long being in the Hospital (kayfbe).--Voices in my Head WrestleMania XXVII 03:30, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Please refrain from some such language as "asshole" in reference to some users, its uncivil and does not help the discussion. It's interesting though you bring up that they've been on 2 shows which is part of the exact reason why its better to merge with another article, we have no idea how long this faction will be around let alone whether they'll do anything of note. Talk) 03:48, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Wouldn't it also be a good idea to wait till after the next episode of Friday Night SmackDown to judge what the next thing we'll do. I know someone in the industry and while he refuses to tell me (for obvious reasons)anything about this Friday with The Corre he did tell me WWE Creative Team writes these stories based on the rumors flying around the locker room and the WWE Universe.--Voices in my Head WrestleMania XXVII 04:00, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Even if you did know someone backstage, which I highly doubt since you conveniently bring this up now, it still wouldn't be notable for inclusion as there is no reliable source backing up this information and it'd still be Talk) 04:06, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- A source for knowing someone backstage?? Again (for obvious reasons) he doesn't tell me all that will happen and all that.--Voices in my Head WrestleMania XXVII 04:27, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Even if you did know someone backstage, which I highly doubt since you conveniently bring this up now, it still wouldn't be notable for inclusion as there is no reliable source backing up this information and it'd still be
- Wouldn't it also be a good idea to wait till after the next episode of Friday Night SmackDown to judge what the next thing we'll do. I know someone in the industry and while he refuses to tell me (for obvious reasons)anything about this Friday with The Corre he did tell me WWE Creative Team writes these stories based on the rumors flying around the locker room and the WWE Universe.--Voices in my Head WrestleMania XXVII 04:00, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Please refrain from some such language as "asshole" in reference to some users, its uncivil and does not help the discussion. It's interesting though you bring up that they've been on 2 shows which is part of the exact reason why its better to merge with another article, we have no idea how long this faction will be around let alone whether they'll do anything of note.
- You may be right but it won't help that some asshole brought up deletion after just 2 apperances. If this was 6 or 8 weeks after their debut and they still hadn't done anything then yeah you would have a better point but still they've only been on
- We aren't saying that the article wont grow and expand, it just hasn't done anything worth of note at the moment and is as I put it earlier just the Aftermath of Nexus, the difference between Nexus and The Corre is the fact Nexus had a WWE Title shot in waiting which was worth of note and if I remember at the time they all were going into the SummerSlam Main Event which is a big four PPV there certainly was notability with Nexus, The Corre has done hardly anything to gain notability which suggests that it would be more suited to merge the current information in another article.
- Haz it has only been 2 weeks these things tend to grow. Just because it's just one paragraph about its 2 week existence don't mean that's how it'll stay. We ALWAYS EXPAND these kind of articles. GIVE IT TIME for Christ Sake this was what was the VERY 1st ENTRY of Nexus was [2]. But its expanded VERY VERY MUCH.--Voices in my Head WrestleMania XXVII 23:56, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm not saying you need a source though I highly doubt you do know someone backstage, however what you're alluding to is what we'd call Talk) 04:31, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- NascarKing/Voices, to reiterate what you have already been told, remain civil. Afkatk is correct. If you do have a source within WWE, then what you are stating is both prediction and original research and is not permitted. For more information, please read ]
- Merge all content to The Corre (without redirect). This is a stable of notable wrestlers so it should be kept. However, the title should be deleted because there is only one "Corre" and that Corre is a redirect so there isn't a point of having duplicate content in two separate articles. Minimac (talk) 19:39, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Hold on, I never once said I know what will happen this Friday. All I said was the Storylines they write are written around the rumors and dirtsheets that create subplots in the locker rooms and what is being heard around live events (as in fans and all that).--Voices in my Head WrestleMania XXVII 20:56, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- None of that improves the notability of the subject. Hazardous Matt (talk) 21:10, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Am I the only one who believes this has stalled to a pointless debate that no ones gonna win at this point? Cause it feels like that stupid deletion debate over Survivor Series again.--Voices in my Head WrestleMania XXVII 21:17, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- This is going around and around, so this will be my last post in this AFD. Regardless of what may have occurred with Survivor Series (I'm not sure what you're referring to), this AFD is not pointless. There have been multiple suggestions for retaining the information in relevant articles until the group becomes notable (which it may or many not do), a solution to simply deleting the article. Please re-read my above replies to your earlier justifications. I'm sure you'll see where I'm coming from. (And if you don't mind, could you indent your replies to keep them properly threaded?) Hazardous Matt (talk) 21:27, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- I really do have to question if you all even do watch WWE on a regular basis otherwise you would know you've got a group 4 guys consisting of a man in the middle of a major major push, 2 very talented rookies who in my opinion would be much much better off with Barrett, and a baheamoth in the prime of his career. If you cannot see that these 4 men are on track for greatness, I have to queston not just your loyalty to WWE but to Professional Wrestling as a whole. Look at this not from a wikipedia terms or point of view but from say I don't know a fan in the stands.--Voices in my Head WrestleMania XXVII 21:46, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- I really have to question your motives at times, when you say look at it from a fans view point, its both an incorrect view point and against wikipedia editing policy please feel free to read up on . Talk) 23:00, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Incorect?
That's the whole point ofwhat do you mean incorrect?--Voices in my Head WrestleMania XXVII 23:03, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]- Sorry meant to leave you with a link here Talk) 23:21, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Sorry meant to leave you with a link here
- Incorect?
- I really have to question your motives at times, when you say look at it from a fans view point, its both an incorrect view point and against wikipedia editing policy please feel free to read up on .
- I really do have to question if you all even do watch WWE on a regular basis otherwise you would know you've got a group 4 guys consisting of a man in the middle of a major major push, 2 very talented rookies who in my opinion would be much much better off with Barrett, and a baheamoth in the prime of his career. If you cannot see that these 4 men are on track for greatness, I have to queston not just your loyalty to WWE but to Professional Wrestling as a whole. Look at this not from a wikipedia terms or point of view but from say I don't know a fan in the stands.--Voices in my Head WrestleMania XXVII 21:46, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- I would like to state again, it is becoming clear this group, the Corre, is involved in an important storyline. They're clearly, and obviously, going to be involved for a prolonged engagement barring some unforseen event. This storyline covers not one but TWO different shows. I said it before, if we delete this we'll just need to remake it later, since this is obviously something important. And if you merge it with Wade Barrett (I don't know why you would since it'd make just as much sense to merge it with any of the other dozen or so people involved now in this story arc including apparently Vikki, Teddy Long and Dolph) then it will rapidly be large enough to warrent a split into a seperate article anyway, knowing how complex and continuity-heavy wrestling story arcs are--especially these "NWO-style Invasion" type story lines. So again I stress that this is really pointless, frankly it's just the whole "But...but will Nexus be relevent?" thing again, and I reiterate my Strong Keep vote.18-Till-I-Die (talk) 00:52, 25 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I feel like I'm surrounded by idiots. (WP:Competence is required) Feedback ☎ 00:55, 25 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Nope, just people who believe in not demolishing the house while it's still being built. And you're lucky I don't report your calling us "idiots" as a personal attack. This I say, because I'm the Tom, and I'M AWESOME! Tom Danson (talk) 06:33, 25 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you for linking everyone to cruft that must be removed." This is one of those situations. Also, I give you benefit of the doubt there for the "WP:ATTACK" accusation. I was under the impression that if you say something that is 100% true, it can't be an attack. Feedback ☎ 10:57, 25 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- What Feedback said is definitely not a personal attack of any kind. Whoever believes that is an idiot.--Voices in my Head WrestleMania XXVII 01:06, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you for linking everyone to
- Keep and Merge with the Nexus article. The Corre haven't done anything to make them notable, but as they're formed from original members of the Nexus and only really exist through Barrets exile from the group and the other two refusing to go through Punk's initiation then they're very relevent to the Nexus, even if just as a short paragraph for now. BulbaThor (talk) 17:39, 25 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Keep as Own Page The Corre is it's own group on WWE Smackdown seperate from the Nexus. Three of the four members were part of the Nexus but The Corre and The Nexus are not the same group and have shown that they will not co-exist.Midnight XII —Preceding undated comment added 18:10, 25 January 2011 (UTC).[reply]
- Comment WWE has also now created an official Facebook Page for The Corre here : http://www.facebook.com/TheCorreWWE --Jimsta28 (talk) 21:54, 25 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Important WWE faction which split off from one of the biggest wrestling storylines of 2010 to attempt to do the same thing on a different show in 2011. Will be involved in many major feuds unless all members are injured, fired or both. 68.225.171.64 (talk) 11:32, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete They've existed for a fortnight on WWE's B-show; people said Cody Rhodes&Drew McIntyre should get their own page then they split up. If these guys make it past Mania, maybe they deserve one but until they do something there's nothing to write about. This is the very essence of week-by-week. Tony2Times (talk) 12:55, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment The Nexus article was created almost the day of the group being given a name and yet, despite its shaky sources and an AfD, the article was decided upon to be kept. That's exactly the same situation that seems to be playing out here. The group have a tendency to stick together, not like your example, McIntyre and Rhodes were a random pairing of singles wrestlers and that hardly ever works out. ☆ Antoshi ☆ T | C 13:36, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment You can obviously tell that The Corre is going to be a major stable and that the WWE has big things planned for them. Why else would the WWE create a Facebook page for them? WWE has put The Corre, as one, on their Power25 also. The Corre has already taken out Teddy Long (who else could it be?), which will most likely lead to The Corre becoming involved in a major storyline. Its also pretty obvious that sometime down the road The Corre and The Nexus will once again meet. We saw the two stables together this past Monday on Raw and you can bet that won't be the last time they meet. For those who want to delete the article because they haven't done much, you are just looking at The Corre's CURRENT storyline. Yes, they haven't done anything noteable...yet. Look at where The Corre will be in 2 months from now (yes they will most likey still be around). Remember who makes up The Corre: Wade Barrett, winner of NXT season 1, former leader of The Nexus, Heath Slater, former Tag Team Champion & Nexus member, Justin Gabriel, former Tag Team Champion & Nexus member, and Ezekiel Jackson. 75% of this group were former Nexus members. For those who want to merge The Corre with The Nexus article, why? I know, like I said 75% of the group were former Nexus members, but they are not attached to The Nexus. The Corre is an entirely different group. It would be different if The Nexus split the group in half, with one half going to SmackDown and the other staying on Raw, but The Corre is not part of The Nexus. Zsmalls629 21:04, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Lots of ]
I suspect some meatpuppetry and/or sockpuppetry going on here. Regardless, the deletion of this article is obvious. The glaring amount of "keeps" are all violations of
]- Feedback, It feels almost as though you're taking this a bit personally. You keep stating that the competent editors believe it should be deleted. So that means anyone who disagrees is the opposite, incompetent. I'm not arguing with anyone. All I said was that Wikipedia should be about the facts. That in mind, this is just another article on Wikipedia. The point is to further Wikipedia as a source of information. There is no sort of personal victory in believing that you're right. There is no personal victory in trying to prove that you are right. I've noticed this from several of your comments here and other places. Your comments, while not personal attacks are borderline offensive. Please don't try to brush me off as someone who doesn't know what they're talking about. I've been here for over 5 years and although I don't have as many edits as you, it doesn't mean I know any less. Wikipedia is meant to be an encyclopedia that anyone can edit, but your suggestion is to keep this debate between people who 'know better,' and that anyone who isn't familiar with guidelines shouldn't be regarded as important enough to listen to. That's not an acceptable way to treat fellow editors. An AfD is decided on how many Keep vs Delete vs Merge votes there are, not how much knowledge or experience every editor who votes has. ☆ Antoshi ☆ T | C 04:38, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Next time, please read my words correctly: "Let's just try and keep the conversation between the editors whose opinions (be it in support or opposition of the deletion) are supported by guidelines, policy and most importantly, refusing to get the "point". I never said you were incompetent, on the contrary, I basically said that you were one of the only competent people in this discussion. You terribly misunderstood. Feedback ☎ 13:14, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- My comment, yes it did have a lot of WP:Crystal in it, but I had to make those comments to emphasize my statement. Feedback, I do get the "point". I voted to keep The Corre article, just like many people who voted. Some people still wanted to delete the article after I voted, and after I did vote, more news regarding The Corre came out, so I decided to comment on it, backing up my vote, even though some of it was based on CBALL. Zsmalls629 17:55, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Dude, its all based on CBALL. Speculation is the only reason you want to keep it. "Because it will be notable bla bla". They've only been active for 2 weeks and AS OF RIGHT NOW AT THIS PARTICULAR MOMENT they are not notable and therefore shouldn't have an article. If you don't understand that, then yes, you're refusing to get the point.Feedback ☎ 21:15, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- My comment, yes it did have a lot of
- Next time, please read my words correctly: "Let's just try and keep the conversation between the editors whose opinions (be it in support or opposition of the deletion) are supported by guidelines, policy and most importantly,
If this article does get deleted, may I please be sent a copy so I may repost it when they do all of this stuff people (including I) are predicting, I still wish it to keep, but incase it isn't. Thanks. --Jimsta28 (talk) 03:15, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- The article's current state is terrible. Its 100% week-by-week results which is against WP:PW's manual of style. The consensus is to avoid week-by-week results and to point out key moments in the prose instead. Seeing as The Corre has only been active for a week or two, it doesn't have enough key moments to supply 3 sentences, let alone an article. Feedback ☎ 03:19, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - Article is absolutely nothing but week-by-week with the play-by-play to go with it of a group which is, by and large, Nexus article of persons attempting to declare "RAW NEXUS" and "SMACKDOWN NEXUS" (Case in point). The state of this article is an utter mess. Perhaps in sometime if the stable has garnered notoriety independently, then it will be deserving of it's own article. But at this juncture, it honestly is about as notable as the "Angry Miz Girl". ⒺⓋⒾⓁⒼⓄⒽⒶⓃ② 02:54, 28 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy deleted. Non-admin close here. — Timneu22 · talk 23:43, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Deer Chicago (band)
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- Speedy delete. The "references" aren't coverage at all. I tagged for speedy. The article may "make a claim" of significance, but a 20-second review of those links shows there is actually no significance. Google searches are not promising. — Timneu22 · talk 20:15, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Airplay on BBC is an assertion of notability, but a thin one. I felt that AFD was a more likely path. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 20:19, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete. One EP, played on local radio. No significant coverage. Not yet notable.--Michig (talk) 07:13, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to ]
The Bad Girls Club (season 7)
Apparently contested proposed deletion, there were both attempts to remove the PROD and to redirect to Bad Girls Club. Reason given in the original PROD was: "Season 7 hasn't been announced, neither have the girls for that matter. Also, if it didn't obviously air, how is there more information? This is more of a fake article until proven, but as I said, Season 7 hasn't been announced yet." Passing this on procedurally (and with respect to the wishes of both the original proposer of deletion and the person who originally removed the tag), my nomination is not to be taken as an implicit vote one way or another. j⚛e deckertalk 19:49, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect til sources/more info can be found. chat 20:49, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect per above, the season is currently undergoing casting. Only source to back this claim up is Oxygen's official website, although, there's not enough sources to confirm more about this season. Until we can get more than one source and can add more to this article, then it should be redirect. AJona1992 (talk) 21:24, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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- Note: I have removed the fancrut out of the article and placed it with the same format from the previous seasons. But there's no confirm, yet, pickup of a new season. So until then, I will still go for a redirect. AJona1992 (talk) 13:51, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect and section blank the page. Then when Season 7 is announced, it'll be put into order. Alexgx (talk) 15:01, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Note an article can't be left blanked, in this case, redirecting the page to Bad Girls Club seems to fit. AJona1992 (talk) 22:44, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 00:41, 28 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
List of cars available in Japan
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- Delete chat 20:51, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong delete The definition of unmaintainable. Pity there isn't a speedy for this. 96 22:27, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete. Hopelessly inaccurate and totally unsourced list. --DAJF (talk) 00:55, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Coming soon: list of cars made on a wednesday! l'aquatique[talk] 01:14, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, unmaintainable and unverifiable, and "available" is a very vague descriptor. Who knows, maybe there is a Škoda "available" to buy at some random used car lot somewhere? :D --Kinu t/c 22:04, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as cruft. Better to handle this kind of info via categories. OhNoitsJamie Talk 21:40, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 00:41, 28 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Semyon Ioffe
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Fringe researcher bio has no real footprint outside directory and promo pages. No GNews hits; GBooks gives one false hit and one perhaps genuine hit but nothing having to do with the fringey content that is highlighted in the article, which reads more like a resume than anything. Mangoe (talk) 19:25, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I feel that the comments above are somehow biased. I would not have posted this article had this scientist had no digital footprint. there are multiple references in science journals and magazines when searched through both google and yahoo. This respected scientist is not a "fringe" researcher. This article was specifically posted as a continuance of an article about Dr.Igor Smirnov to ensure that the history of the technology that these 2 men discovered and developed doesn't disappear because this is the kind of information that isn't available on the internet as it is almost entirely in russian, Dr. Smirnov was a Rasputin like figurehead in the Russian media from the 1980's till his death. I met both of these met in the last 20 years and one of them has already passed away. It is extremely important that their work be documented online.--Newyork48 (talk) 23:21, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Wow. Someone should tell him that his Twitter SPAMing kind of undermines the "respected scientist" image. - LuckyLouie (talk) 20:57, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- I have met this man and English is not his first language, you can tell in his tweets. Your comments are very immature and have no place on this page which SHOULD BE FOR DISCUSSING REFERENCE TO HIS WORK AND WHETHER IT IS NOTABLE not what he uses twitter for which he is obviously trying to bring attention to his blog posts which is exactly what twitter is for. I have linked to a number of scientific journals where his work is published available for viewing online as well as requesting printed versions. I'm pretty sure that the wiki article explaining the rules to whether something is notable or not doesn't say, check google books and articles. Please try to keep the comments civilized.--Newyork48 (talk) 22:15, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Just saying. Scientists whose ideas are already widely notable usually aren't trying to get attention for them on Twitter. - LuckyLouie (talk) 22:35, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- And hows that exactly? I looked over the twitter account and its basically just links to new blog posts. i also read the blog posts. they are written to underscore new developments in their technologies operating testing with the government as well as new developments they make because, just like any technology, it is always being improved and developed for a wider array of applications. I'm pretty sure any scientist or any author for that matter posts everything they write on twitter if they had a twitter account which is exactly how new ideas get shared. We've gotten very far from the point again here. I re-wrote most of this particular article, and provided reference to printed publications. I would appreciate it if it was looked over and re-evaluated, thank you.--Newyork48 (talk) 23:42, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Just saying. Scientists whose ideas are already widely notable usually aren't trying to get attention for them on Twitter. - LuckyLouie (talk) 22:35, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- I have met this man and English is not his first language, you can tell in his tweets. Your comments are very immature and have no place on this page which SHOULD BE FOR DISCUSSING REFERENCE TO HIS WORK AND WHETHER IT IS NOTABLE not what he uses twitter for which he is obviously trying to bring attention to his blog posts which is exactly what twitter is for. I have linked to a number of scientific journals where his work is published available for viewing online as well as requesting printed versions. I'm pretty sure that the wiki article explaining the rules to whether something is notable or not doesn't say, check google books and articles. Please try to keep the comments civilized.--Newyork48 (talk) 22:15, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- If you can't show us all these people giving him respect, how can we tell he's a "respected scientist"? Mangoe (talk) 17:05, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete. Only tiny impact on GS. Xxanthippe (talk) 01:17, 21 January 2011 (UTC).[reply]
- Delete Can't find these multiple references, agree with nom. talk) 11:33, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. User by the way is a SPA creating articles about individuals involved with and technology distributed by Northam Technologies, which itself does not appear to be notable (Google search turns up mostly press releases, one mention in Wired). Ioffe is an executive of this company. Jonathanwallace (talk) 11:39, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- What is his h-index? ]
- Delete per Jonathanwallace. Ioffe does not appear to be the subject of serious coverage by independent 3rd parties. - LuckyLouie (talk) 19:45, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 00:41, 28 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Ashraf Mughal
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Comment. This person does not seem to meet the notability guidelines outlined in
- Delete: As the original creator of the page, I was formerly in favour of including players such as Mughal, but I am now of the opinion that he is non notable per WP:CRIN and he does not have any other notable merits. AssociateAffiliate (talk) 19:30, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete: As the recent revision to ]
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- Delete: Doesn't meet WP:CRIN, and not enough sources provided to establish notability via another route. Andrew nixon (talk) 07:48, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 00:41, 28 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Fabio Barzagli
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Article lacks reliable sources that independently establish the subject's notability. A Google News search delivers only 9 hits, and a search for fby and barzagli produces nothing that might be useful to the article. Drmies (talk) 19:15, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. As per Drmies. I did independent searching and found nothing; however, I think there's a chance that other sources MIGHT turn up, such as local Italian papers (in English; or translated using iGoogle possibly) or possibly computer-music related publications. My advice to the article creators is to cut the article to bare bones, have ONLY acceptable references (ie not YouTube, not stores) and find a few good references along the lines of WP:RS. So I'm saying I may change my vote depending on what happens, but at present, it's delete.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 19:38, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. As requested by JohnCD I agree for deletion of page.--rossalabastro (creator and main contributor) 21:17, 20 January 2011
- Comment - I express no opinion about this page; I declined a G7 speedy deletion because it was not clear from the history that this user was the author of the only substantial content, and advised that if deletion was required, PROD or AfD was the way to go. JohnCD (talk) 11:55, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. Improvements to the article have lead to the nomination, and most of the delete !votes, being withdrawn.
]Carter House Inn
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A structure built in 1982 as a replica of a building doesn't pass notability. This is just another B&B advert. JaGatalk 18:12, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete I was intending to argue keep -- as soon as I saw the picture, I knew exactly where this building was, even though I live several hundred miles away. But Google is not turning up notability. Admittedly, some of the articles behind pay walls may turn up notability, but what I can access isn't coming up with anything I can use.--Fabrictramp | talk to me 20:51, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete No evidence of notability.Unlikely to be notable as architecture. --Elekhh (talk) 00:34, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Withdraw delete as referencing has been improved. --Elekhh (talk) 22:13, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Delete(Changing to Keep, see below) Non-historic building, spammy article. However, there is a lot of coverage about it in the local paper, the Times-Standard [3] [4], with an occasional mention in more notable publications like the San Francisco Chronicle. And its restaurant gets a Grand Award from Wine Spectator Magazine, which is fairly rare. With a major rewrite (which somebody else can do - I don't have time) this article might become a keeper. --MelanieN (talk) 01:04, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]- Keep This is a replica of a Newsom and Newsom home. These two brothers were premier architects in California in the 19th Century. A re-work to limit the article to the details of the architecture (removing most of the focus on the business), which is also significant as an Eastlake/Queen Anne home is relevant to the Wiki and should be covered. Notability as a reconstruction is already present in the article and the home exists within Old Town Eureka. As a matter of architecture detail, the stacked bay windows are an excellent example of Eastlake Architecture. Despite a busy schedule, I have already done some work to improve the article before. Norcalal (talk) 06:36, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment The decision whether to keep or delete an article is not based on bare assertions about the subject. Also, the fact that it was based on a design by notable architects (do the Newsoms have an article here?) does not alone make it notable. What is needed is WP:Reliable sources supporting the subject's notability. I have provided some links above that could be used. If you are in a mood to improve/rescue the article, that is what it needs: Reliable Sources in the article, demonstrating significant coverage and therefore notability. Changing the spammish tone would help too. If you do add better sourcing, please let us know here, so that people who have already expressed an opinion may reconsider. Thanks. --MelanieN (talk) 16:26, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I have wondered since I came across the article....that if it is a premier lodging for the entire region and most critically acclaimed restaurant of the region (perhaps on the entire California coast north of the SF Bay Area) as well how do we treat that here without looking like a travel guide. I believe there is reason to save the article. Also, I do not think the Carters (owners) want this article to be in bad taste since they are so well known for their taste. Being from the region, I wondered who wrote the mess in the first place. I will look at it more as my schedule allows. And pare it down to notability issues that can have support of reliable sourcing Norcalal (talk) 20:18, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment The decision whether to keep or delete an article is not based on bare assertions about the subject. Also, the fact that it was based on a design by notable architects (do the Newsoms have an article here?) does not alone make it notable. What is needed is
- A Revamped Article for Your Reconsideration: A lot of time the issue with these nominations is not the underlying topic, but a really poorly done article. I think that was the case here. The following has been revised:
- Promotional tone removed.
- Article clearly focuses on notability with both restaurant (more so) and architecture (less so).
- Additional citations added and all are now formatted.
- Article Wikified with layout and content.
- These changes are on top of the improvements already undertaken by Norcalal.
The article still has a ways to go quite honestly though. For instance, one of the sources in the architecture section is the company website. But, there are several editors who have shown an interest in the last year and it no longer reads like a B&B advert. RevelationDirect (talk) 07:13, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Looks good to me. I'm OK with withdrawing the nom. --JaGatalk 08:41, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep based on the improvements made in the article and its sourcing. --MelanieN (talk) 18:11, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep I think my vote is implied by my post but, just in case. RevelationDirect (talk) 10:41, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Keep Mandsford 02:58, 28 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Generationals (the band)
Fails WP:BAND - Burpelson AFB ✈ 18:02, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as per nomination. --Non-Dropframe talk 18:04, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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- Strong keep. WP:BAND, being cited as a rationale for deletion, specifically states that a band which has had their music performed in a major media work is considered notable - which this band has done. Not only have I found a news article confirming that they did this in the Times-Picayune, I've also found two more news articles dedicated to the band in The Advocate and the Austin American-Statesman (which I can email to anyone looking to fix up the article). I would advise Burpelson to reconsider his nomination. Ironholds (talk) 18:23, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Here are reviews of the band's Con Law album in Spin and Allmusic. These, along with the Pitchfork track review already referenced in the article, are enough significant coverage in my view to meet criterion 1 of ]
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The result was delete.
]Generations of jet fighter
Unreferenced list-type article that acts simply as a "link" page to the various "# generation jet fighter" articles - a role already covered by Fighter aircraft. Defintion of the aircraft in the various generations is quite controversial and prone to OR, as well (I've seen a comment somewhere that the Chinese themselves consider the J-20 fourth generation - !). Overall this duplicates both Fighter aircraft and Category:Generations of jet fighter and, especially compared to the former, doesn't possess any encyclopediac value. The Bushranger One ping only 17:22, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. I was going to say 'merge' but the material is already present at Fighter aircraft. I do note that the latter article needs a lot more inline cites. Binksternet (talk) 18:13, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete does not really add any value to what already is in other articles and due to the nature of biased nationalistic sources is unlikely to be reliable referenced. MilborneOne (talk) 19:53, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - This is a +stub article that was recently created and has the potential to expand, that is all that is required for an article to pass inspection. In addition, this article is very helpful to end-user providing summarized accurate information that will fill out over time. There should be a "KEEP & EXPAND" +tag at the top of the this article not an afd +tag! Zabanio (talk) 21:58, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect to Fighter aircraft, getting rid of the current contents. This will keep the "potential to expand", while pointing to the location that currently has much more elaborate (and much better sourced) information on the topic of generations of jet fighters. A redirect can be in any time turned back into article, but there is no reason to duplicate the information right now. --Kubanczyk (talk) 22:23, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong delete Redundant - There already are articles on each of the fighter generations, and Fighter aircraft#Jet-powered fighters covers the same topic in greater depth. Nothing here worth merging to the other articles. - BilCat (talk) 22:26, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - redundant per BilCat. Anotherclown (talk) 07:42, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect to Fighter aircraft: redundant to that article and the category. bahamut0013wordsdeeds 17:50, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep That a concept is ambiguous does not mean it cannot be discussed here. So are such terms as Democracy , to give the first example I thought of . If different countries use different generations, let the article be expanded to reflect it. And how it can be redundant to the Category:Generations of jet fighter escapes me, since this article is the only article even in that category, though I would have expected the articles on the individual generations to be there also. I note the simultaneous attempt to delete the Template at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2011 January 20. DGG ( talk ) 00:19, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- The fact they weren't in that category was a mistake on my part when re-categorising them before, which I've now fixed. However this article is still extraordinarily redundant to both WP:POV in a hurry. (If you doubt me, take a look at the edit history of HAL Tejas at some point...) - The Bushranger One ping only 01:06, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- The fact they weren't in that category was a mistake on my part when re-categorising them before, which I've now fixed. However this article is still extraordinarily redundant to both
- Keep. As much as I do not like the fighter generation categorization scheme, I cannot in good faith endorse this deletion. Maybe merge Qwertyus 17:25, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Er...what? I'm not sure what the reasoning for that is. And how does this article add value to the encyclopedia vis-a-vis the fact the subject is already covered, referenced and much more extensively, in Fighter aircraft? - The Bushranger One ping only 18:03, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Agree with Bushranger except that the referencing needs serious work over there at fighter aircraft. Binksternet (talk) 18:12, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Er...what? I'm not sure what the reasoning for that is. And how does this article add value to the encyclopedia vis-a-vis the fact the subject is already covered, referenced and much more extensively, in Fighter aircraft? - The Bushranger One ping only 18:03, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom. Buckshot06 (talk) 03:56, 28 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Fighter aircraft covers this topic in unnecessary detail. Qwertyus 04:38, 28 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to Gushan District. (non-admin closure) Logan Talk Contributions 02:48, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Kaohsiung Municipal Nei Wei Primary School
Nothing I can see that makes this elementary school notable. Delete. --Nlu (talk) 16:11, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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- Redirect to its locality, Gushan District, as per standard procedure. No AfD debate necessary. --Kudpung (talk) 20:10, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect as per Kudpung. --MelanieN (talk) 19:16, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete.
]Miles Filus
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Zero independent reliable sources and so not notable. SeveroTC 16:02, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Unreferenced BLP about an individual. He is a Polish, Australian, and American songwriter, composer, writer, poet, guitarist and singer, world traveler, climber, entrepreneur, business owner, IT Manager, IT Specialist, network engineer, paralegal, IBM and cisco specialist, etc. - Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 16:34, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete - what an odd BLP about a non-notable person. Wikipedia is not a webhost. Bearian (talk) 17:55, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Completely non-notable and may qualify as ]
- Delete Completely unsourced notability. OhNoitsJamie Talk 21:42, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy delete (
]Hocketball
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- Delete Completely 96 22:37, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 00:41, 28 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Jean-Patrick Constantini
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- Delete - Lack of notability; possible self-promotion? SNaismith (talk) 14:32, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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- Comment Alternate spelling of name: (Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL) (Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL) (Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL) Give results in line with the article's assertions. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 02:03, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - he's had an interesting career all right, and I'm actually surprised that someone working at his level for so long could have failed to have any impact. But apparently he hasn't. Google Books throws up a similar load of uncommented credits, seemingly no e.g. "the film was ably produced by Jean-Patrick Costantini", just lists. -Ashley Pomeroy (talk) 19:25, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. we seem to have no reliable independant sources put forward for this so it fails
]Hyper-Real Religion
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Non-notable term, virtually coined by a single author, who himself is non-notable, and referenced mostly by his blog postings. Jeff3000 (talk) 13:47, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - Lack of notability; reads more as a personal belief. SNaismith (talk) 14:35, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep The creation of the term "hyper-real religion" is credited in the article to Adam Possamai who appears to be very much notable. The term appears to have gained currency, as evidenced by a google search of the term. Certainly the article could be improved, but I don't think it should be deleted. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 15:05, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment A google book search of the term only refers to Adam Possamai and has not gained currency in reliable sources. Given the term is only really being used by Adam Possamai, at best the term should be merged into the Adam Possamai page, as the term by itself is not notable. -- Jeff3000 (talk) 12:58, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep I created the page and understand that my references weren't adequate. However the concept and its author are notable and have been acclaimed in academic circles as a new understanding of The Church of Satan. I am new to wikipedia but I agree with Wikidan61, I thought that the article would be more appropriately marked for improvement rather than deletion Alangnixon (talk) 06:20, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment All of the sources you note in the article are from a single author, Adam Possamai, and thus the term had not recieved attention in other circles, and is not notable. Given the term is only really being used by Adam Possamai, at best the term should be merged into the Adam Possamai page, as the term by itself is not notable. -- Jeff3000 (talk) 12:58, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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- Keep and Comment. The topic itself is notable, and is definetely and emerging field of study within religious and spirituality settings. The problem, however, is that there are a variety of terms used to describe 'Hyper-Real Religion,' with out any one being standard or, as far as I can tell, more used than the others. Other terms used include Popular Spiritualism (book exmple, which also includes a chapter on Hyper-Real Religion), Contemporary Paganism (book example, Magic (or magical) Religion (book example), Modern Paganism, Virtual Religion, etc. Adam Possamai is one of the few calling it Hyper-Real Religion, but his writings are influential, and have been peer-reviewed with, varying, acceptance by the academic world. This article needs expansion, not deletion, and potentially a name change to a more general, widely accepted term, if one can be found. Ravendrop (talk) 08:33, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - The links you sent don't use the word hyper-religion, and until a consensus has been made in reliable sources to call the phenomenon a hyper-real religion, the term is not notable, and is actually original research. Wikipedia should not be creating the consensus on a term. Regards, -- 12:58, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
- Comment - The links you sent don't use the word hyper-religion, and until a consensus has been made in reliable sources to call the phenomenon a hyper-real religion, the term is not notable, and is actually
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The result was keep.
]List of best-selling albums worldwide
Per [reply]
Additional comment: “List of best-selling albums worldwide” is not encyclopedic since it is not well-defined (for example, “The World’s 20 best-selling albums as of January 2009” would be better defined). — Wrapped in Grey (talk) 17:24, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Nomination updated in light of discussion; see Summing up below. — Wrapped in Grey (talk) 07:28, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - Perhaps in need of cleanup, but still a useful and important list. SNaismith (talk) 14:43, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- However, “useful and important” do not constitute WP’s notability criteria. — Wrapped in Grey (talk) 15:29, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, contrary to what the nominator says, the topic is often discussed in reliable sources, either on individual records (X is one of the bestselling records worldwide), or as a list (e.g. the "Billboard Magazine: 300 Best Selling Albums (Worldwide)", or articles like this one from Associated Content. This book has a list of Best-Selling Albums of All Time. Less relevant perhaps, but also of possible interest, is that this list (and similar ones like the one for books) are very popular, with this list getting some 150,000 page views per month, which is massive. ]
- The topic of the article is a single piece of information, i.e. a list. Discussion of an individual item (supposedly) on the list does not constitute discussion of the article subject i.e. the list.
- A list published in a magazine such as Billboard would be likely unusable as a WP article for copyright reasons.
- The Associated Content “article” you mention is in fact part of an advertisement for a musical; it does not purport to be a source of such a list.
- “Massive” popularity of a WP page does not constitute notability per WP:N.
- Futhermore, see additional comment added at the top. — Wrapped in Grey (talk) 17:24, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Perhaps you would care to comment on the reason given for the proposal i.e. lack of “discussion as a group or set by independent reliable sources” and the additional comment at the top re being encyclopedic. — Wrapped in Grey (talk) 17:24, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Perhaps you could leave quotes from WP:N aside for a moment and think about how deleting this list would improve the encyclopedia. It wouldn't. Worldwide best-selling albums are often the subject of coverage by reliable sources. If you look on Amazon for instance you'll find plenty of sources there that cover this area, e.g. MTV Pop and Rock World Records 2011, Guinness Book of World Records, and similarly a Google News search should show you that this is often the subject of newspaper and magazine articles. To be honest, it's a pretty obviously worthwhile list to have in an encyclopedia. --Michig (talk) 17:39, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Just saying that sources exist does not constitute a convincing argument. Guinness does not publish the list (AFAIK, it covers only the top 2); being of a similar subject, I expect the MTV book is the same. If suitable sources really existed, most likely, they would have been used by now (the page has been around for some time). As for thinking how deleting this list would improve the encyclopedia, I would hope that it would be obvious that time spent by editors on WP:OR in trying to compile the list themselves, as is done currently, is time wasted. — Wrapped in Grey (talk) 18:55, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Apparently that's only obvious to you. Given that we have a properly-sourced list that others feel has encyclopedic value, it certainly is not WP:OR and it isn't time wasted...speaking of which, your position is clear, my mind is made up, so there's no reason to spend any more time on this discussion. --Michig (talk) 19:11, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Summarising so that the quality of this editor's argument can be judged at the end of the discussion:
- The editor suggested some potential sources for the article.
- It was explained that they did not cover the subject (as required by WP:Nfor a list topic).
- The editor then claimed that the article is properly sourced anyway (without citing or commenting on any of the sources used).
- Despite prompting, at no point did the editor attempt to discuss the specific points raised in the nomination (in particular, on how the given clause in WP:Nimpacts this article).
- Wrapped in Grey (talk) 20:28, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Summarising so that the quality of this editor's argument can be judged at the end of the discussion:
- Apparently that's only obvious to you. Given that we have a properly-sourced list that others feel has encyclopedic value, it certainly is not
- Just saying that sources exist does not constitute a convincing argument. Guinness does not publish the list (AFAIK, it covers only the top 2); being of a similar subject, I expect the MTV book is the same. If suitable sources really existed, most likely, they would have been used by now (the page has been around for some time). As for thinking how deleting this list would improve the encyclopedia, I would hope that it would be obvious that time spent by editors on
- Perhaps you could leave quotes from WP:N aside for a moment and think about how deleting this list would improve the encyclopedia. It wouldn't. Worldwide best-selling albums are often the subject of coverage by reliable sources. If you look on Amazon for instance you'll find plenty of sources there that cover this area, e.g. MTV Pop and Rock World Records 2011, Guinness Book of World Records, and similarly a Google News search should show you that this is often the subject of newspaper and magazine articles. To be honest, it's a pretty obviously worthwhile list to have in an encyclopedia. --Michig (talk) 17:39, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. This is one of the most important music list on Wikipedia. With 62 reliable sources to support its notability, there's no reason to delete this page. Bluesatellite (talk) 23:04, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Being “most important” does not constitute WP’s notability criteria (see WP:N).
- Neither, for a list topic, does having ‘vanilla’ RSs; the bar is set higher for such topics, see the first sentence on this page.
- Being “most important” does not constitute WP’s notability criteria (see
- Non-encyclopedic
Here are two more indications of the non-encyclopedic nature of this article:
- It demonstrates its failure to be encyclopedic in its first five words; from WP:MOSBEGIN: “If the page is a list, do not introduce the list as "This is a list of X"”.
- A reader of the article might well ask the following questions: “Who publishes the list?”, “Where is a reliable source that I can use to verify that an item on the list (as presented in the article) has not been omitted?”. He would, however, not find the answers in our article—why is that?
Wrapped in Grey (talk) 06:14, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Suggestion
While there are a number of possibilities for how this type of information could be handled in a more encyclopedic way within Wikipedia, the most encyclopedic option available in this case would seem to be to treat the list as a category. — Wrapped in Grey (talk) 09:17, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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- Keep per Fram and Bluesatellite, who have rebutted the nom's claims. I don't remotely find the claim credible that best-selling albums as a topic has not been discussed by multiple reliable sources, and every entry in this list appears to be well sourced. The fact that our list may combine entries from separate lists published by reliable sources is irrelevant, particularly given that WP:MOSBEGIN argument is simply without any merit as it applies to the issue of "encyclopedicness"; it's a style guideline, not an inclusion guideline, and in any event the precise language of the lede is arbitrary and can be rewritten if anyone else thinks it's a problem. postdlf (talk) 19:47, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Whether an editor finds it credible that reliable sources do or don’t exist is irrelevant—reliable sources (per the criteria specific to list topics) have to be shown, in this discussion, to exist. Neither Fram nor Bluesatellite has proffered reliable sources; having Google hits does not prove or show reliability. Take, for example, Fram’s “Billboard Magazine: 300 Best Selling Albums (Worldwide)”. This is in fact a fake list that floats around on forums; Billboard never published it—it is not a reliable source. That statistical analysis, not a “routine calculation”. These problems go away if the list is converted to a suitably-named category, “Albums having sold at least 20 million copies worldwide” or, more strictly, “Albums estimated to have sold at least 20 million copies worldwide”. — Wrapped in Grey (talk) 14:03, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Whether an editor finds it credible that reliable sources do or don’t exist is irrelevant—reliable sources (per the criteria specific to list topics) have to be shown, in this discussion, to exist. Neither Fram nor Bluesatellite has proffered reliable sources; having Google hits does not prove or show reliability. Take, for example, Fram’s “Billboard Magazine: 300 Best Selling Albums (Worldwide)”. This is in fact a fake list that floats around on forums; Billboard never published it—it is not a reliable source. That
- Per WP:CONSENSUS, your comment does not constitute a useful contribution to the discussion; if you do have a useful contribution to make, it would be very welcome. — Wrapped in Grey (talk) 14:03, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. I would suggest that this discussion could probably be closed early per ]
- Given that you have so far failed to show any appreciation for, or willingness to discuss, the specifics of this particular discussion (i.e. list-specific notability requirements, the math related aspect of the presentation, or problems with the lead; all helpfully discussed by postdlf), I would respectfully suggest that you leave the discussion to those who have understood the issues raised. If OTOH you believe that you have understood the issues but believe that no discussion is needed because the perceived problems with the article can be attributed to a misinterpretation of policy, it would be helpful to state this and to clarify the intention of the policy in question. — Wrapped in Grey (talk) 23:03, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- WP:ORIGINAL SYN
The consequence of the approach taken by this article to handling this type of information is that it invites the reader to commit original syn. WP itself falls into the trap in this example: “16 of the 72 fiction authors with at least 100 million copies of their works in print did not write in English, and 16 of the 72 are women” (synthesized from a similar article and published on the main page). — Wrapped in Grey (talk) 23:03, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- I fully appreciate and understand the notability requirements, the encyclopedic nature of this list and what original research is. You clearly have no understanding of any of these, and this should be clear to you from the fact that other contributors to this discussion with much more experience here than you are unanimously in favour of keeping this list. Your insistence in responding to every other post in this discussion with personal criticism and dismissal of other people's views is also very disruptive and unhelpful towards this discussion.--Michig (talk) 06:56, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- To pick just one of the misrepresentations in the previous comment: “dismissal of other people's views”, or, in more-collegial terms, “presenting an alternative view-point” and “providing evidence to the contrary” is not being disruptive, quite the opposite; it is core to the development a structured argument. — Wrapped in Grey (talk) 14:05, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - All entries are supported by List of best-selling singles worldwideand every other "list of" page should be deleted too???
- Basically, each article should be considered on its own merits (see WP:N to this effect. As such, there is little in this discussion that comes down to opinion—either the notability sources exist or they don't. The article currently attempts to establish topic notability with the following text “This is a list of the world's best-selling albums” (before going on to define the list inclusion criteria); this is in direct conflict with the guidelines on what list article should look like. A list article (like any other article) should have an engaging lead that establishes topic notability. For example, “Group/set/list of best-selling albums worldwide is/was compiled/measured/something by A[1], and used/abused/something by B[2]” might be a template for a suitable lead sentence. The article has been around for a long time, it should be a trivial job for one of its regular editors to concoct a suitably sourced lead; if so, job done, notability established, AFD closed. — Wrapped in Grey (talk) 09:40, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- No other participant in this AFD has agreed with you that notability has not been established. No admin is going to close an AFD as delete that is unanimously against the nom unless it was a clear BLP violation or copyvio, so it really doesn't matter how much you think your interpretation of these matters is correct if you haven't persuaded anyone else. And one person responding to everyone who disagrees with him in an AFD does not further his argument, particularly if he's completely alone in his position; it just makes him seem tiresome to deal with, tends not to win anyone over, and does not change the outcome. That one person further claiming that they are the only one in the discussion who is properly interpreting policies or guidelines just makes him seem tendentious, and also tends not to win anyone over. This is obviously going to be closed as keep. You should take it as an opportunity to reflect on why your views are out of step with everyone else's here, and think twice before posting another AFD that may also be unanimously against you. Just some observations and constructive criticism based on many years of XFD participation. postdlf (talk) 15:27, 25 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- As advised by WP:AFD, the debate is not a vote, it's er, a debate, during which arguments can be developed, views can be changed, on all sides. Indeed, things have moved on: Fram has found some very interesting sources and if you look below, you'll see that notability may well have been established. This is great as it allows us to move to the next part of the discussion. Comments on the question below (11:51, 24 January 2011) would be very welcome. — Wrapped in Grey (talk) 16:21, 25 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- As advised by
- No other participant in this AFD has agreed with you that notability has not been established. No admin is going to close an AFD as delete that is unanimously against the nom unless it was a clear BLP violation or copyvio, so it really doesn't matter how much you think your interpretation of these matters is correct if you haven't persuaded anyone else. And one person responding to everyone who disagrees with him in an AFD does not further his argument, particularly if he's completely alone in his position; it just makes him seem tiresome to deal with, tends not to win anyone over, and does not change the outcome. That one person further claiming that they are the only one in the discussion who is properly interpreting policies or guidelines just makes him seem tendentious, and also tends not to win anyone over. This is obviously going to be closed as keep. You should take it as an opportunity to reflect on why your views are out of step with everyone else's here, and think twice before posting another AFD that may also be unanimously against you. Just some observations and constructive criticism based on many years of XFD participation. postdlf (talk) 15:27, 25 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Basically, each article should be considered on its own merits (see
- Wrapped in Grey had some criticism of my earlier sources, perhaps valid, perhaps not. Anyway, this time I give you an article from ]
- Great work! So why does our article ignore these reliable sources (which not only discuss the list but also include the list) and compile its own list (perhaps a question for Bluesatellite as a regular at the article)? — Wrapped in Grey (talk) 11:51, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Summing up
Thanks to the good folks taking part in the discussion, we now have reliable sources on list topic “Best-selling albums worldwide”. Per WP:N, they discuss the topic “as a group or set”; they also cite the list contents. The current article however, does not use these sources; instead it compiles the list using a method of its own divising. To attempt to compile the list in competition with the reliable topic sources is clearly inappropriate for an encyclopedia. It seems therefore, that there is scope for two articles as follows:
- A Best-selling albums worldwide article, sourced from the topic sources found in this discussion.
- A List of albums having sold 20M+ copies worldwide article, created by renaming the current article (as this name reflects its sourcing and inclusion criteria) but presented as a navigational (as opposed to informational) list and sourced from a category that can be attached to appropriate album articles.
As a category, List of albums having sold 20M+ copies worldwide would neither require topic sources nor could be considered a content fork. Whether or not this constitutes deleting or keeping the current article depends on ones point of view. However, nothing is lost: all the research that goes into the current page can continue, the information being stored in album articles linked from List of albums having sold 20M+ copies worldwide (in fact, this may well already happen). The conflict resolution mechanism performed in compiling the current article (which selects the highest number found for each album, apart from one specific album) would not be needed; conflicting figures can be stored in sourced prose in the album articles. Alternatively, the reader could view a reliably-sourced, complete, ordered and discussed list in the Best-selling albums worldwide article. — Wrapped in Grey (talk) 07:28, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 00:41, 28 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Khalil Kassam
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Autobiography of a university student which took part in a government sponsored Youth summit where he met several world leaders. Apart from being involved in university policy and being on the board of some apartment complex board that is his only claim to fame. Travelbird (talk) 11:20, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - Complete lack of notability; obvious self-promotion. SNaismith (talk) 14:45, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - obvious self-promotion. The article's author was even stupid enough to start the thread under the User:Khalilaltafkassam account. -- Mecanismo | Talk
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- Delete The very minor claims to significance are nowhere near enough to satisfy Wikipedia's notability standards. talk) 14:50, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 00:41, 28 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Azimullah (detainee)
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Fails
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- Delete - article relies almost exclusively on primary source documents and lacks "significant independent coverage". As such it is non-notable per ]
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- Delete: unfortunately, I do not think that the subject is sufficiently notable for a biographical article per WP:BLP1E. This is highlighted by the sourcing which seem mainly to be primary documents. AustralianRupert (talk) 07:58, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- I request relisting. The first assertion in the nomination "Apart from one paragraph on the website of Andy Worthington, after his repatriation, he hasn't received significant attention in reliable independent sources." -- it is simply incorrect. I request additional time to address the issues raised by nominator. Geo Swan (talk) 13:55, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom, Anotherclown and AustralianRupert. IQinn (talk) 00:28, 28 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 00:41, 28 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Solace.fm
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PROD was challenged with no reason given at all. The reason given for the PROD was "Article about an internet radio station with zero independent reliable source to establish notability, has been tagged for over 2 years. The single cite makes no mention of this particular station." That seems reasonable to me.
- Delete I can't see evidence of notability; it's unreferenced (really) and a bit of an advert, too. Chzz ► 11:33, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - I think the prod was declined because I forgot to put "prod" in the summary.--70.80.234.196 (talk) 12:40, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes that's why I declined it. There's no rule that says edit summaries must be used when prodding but it's the courteous thing to do for the benefit of anybody who has the article watchlisted. Otherwise, they may not know that there's a problem until their watchlist says it's been deleted. Glad to hear it was an oversight. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 05:31, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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]Arno Tausch
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Does not seem to be notable. Article is not well sourced. Also he is said to be "one of the founders of quantitative world-systems theory," yet he is not mentioned in its article. (Unless I overlooked his name somewhere.) Jaque Hammer (talk) 10:26, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Note In the previous nomination Wikipedia:Notability (academics) was cited by those advocating keeping the article. Yet the article asserts that Dr. Tausch is an important author and innovator in the field of political science and history, not just a professor. Jaque Hammer (talk) 11:21, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete - Lack of notability. Agreed re: claim "one of the founders of quantitative world-systems theory," yet no mention in that article. SNaismith (talk) 14:50, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep: A non-conventional researcher (i.e. does not seem to have a full-time academic post) He is listed at the for Policy Research & Development (IPRD) as Dr. Arno Tausch, Associate Professor, Department of Political Science, University of Innsbruck; Ministerial Counsellor in the Department of European and International Affairs at the Ministry for Social Security, Austria with a brief and nicer biography than ours - (perhaps still over lauditory) [7]. He seems to have published many books (see Worldcat for the books and their holdings) and I find there to be a sufficiently strong claim to notability keep based on his publications - books and their holdings and the reviews and the media coverage listed in the article. The article would seem to require trimming and a removal of some of the excesses or appropriate citations adding. The article seems to me to suffer from trying too hard to prove he is highly notable when he might be merely notable. (Msrasnw (talk) 15:31, 20 January 2011 (UTC))[reply]
- Keep notable as an author, multiple reviewed books, some found widely in libraries (Towards a socio-liberal theory of world development is in 318 WorldCat libraries [1] ).The extensive sections listing reviews and minor references could be converted into footnotes. the rest of the article is already much more concise (thanks to the good editing of Franz Weber and Crusio), than the outrageous version in 2008. About that version, I said "weak keep", with the comment that " in spite of the best efforts of his supporters to exaggerate his importance to impress us, we will be objective and not reject it out of hand as would be a natural reaction, but recognize that he is after all sufficiently notable" (as an author, not an academic) DGG ( talk ) 16:34, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Has written much but has been cited little on GS. Xxanthippe (talk) 01:23, 21 January 2011 (UTC).[reply]
- To be more specific GS cites are 34, 29, 19, 15, 15, 14, 13, 12, 12, 11, 10 ... to give an ]
- Delete, searching Google Scholar by world system, one finds that there are many papers with stratospheric citation numbers; 6259, 4142, 1354, 1012, 807, 626, 605, 393, 383, 347, 294, 289, 288, 283, 269, 265, 252, 240, 231, 228, 228, 226, 208, 203, 199, 171, 165, 164, 161, 160, 157, 148, 143, 123, 118, 117, 116, 114, 112, 111, 111, 109, 109, 108, 107, 107, 99, 99, 96, 92, 92, 88, 80, 77, 75, 73, 65, 63, 62.... Not a one of these is by Tausch, whose highest citation number is a lowly 33. Abductive (reasoning) 05:39, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete: no reliable indication that he meets WP:PROF. Lack of third party sourcing (to date) makes it difficult to distinguish inflated puffery (of which there seems to be a great deal) from solid fact. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 06:12, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep: From a Muslim perspective, one has to emphasize that
1) the very notable books and essays of this liberal Catholic author are well present around global libraries in a way that can hardly be observed with other European political scientists, found on the English language pages of Wikipedia. Even at the King Fahd Library in Saudi Arabia, you find his massive 'What 1.3 Billion Muslims really think', which counters, like tso many other of his works, the Islamophobia, which is so present in many Western countries. Anyone adviocating the deletion of the entry should go to the OCLC World Catalogue (Worldcat) and compare
2) some of the counter-arguments used above are absolutely irrelevant. Tausch published also and especially in Russia to a very large audience, for example his two essays for the
3) In addition, the Wikipedia statistics for the Tausch articles, now available not only in English, French, Spanish, Portuguese, German, Russian, Polish, Arabic and Farsi show the global interest in the works of this scholar and former diplomat, who also publishes for leading think tanks around the globe (for the statistics in Russian, Arabic and Farsi, the name has to be entered in those languages). The download statistics for the journal 'Revista Entelequia' at the University of Cadiz are impressive indeed. His Entelequia study on the social exclusion of Muslims in Europe is a pioneering work, which enjoys even years after its appearance an enormous popularity in the Internet.
4) The statistical services of Ideas/Repec and the Social Science Research Network in New York show that the number of downloads of : his freely available articles are considerable. In Hungary, where his main economics faculty is situated, he is number 2. The arguments about world systems, used above are irrelevant insofar as the article only claimed that Tausch - in company with scholars like Volker Bornschier, was at the forefront of quantitative dependency and development research in Europe. Read the Dieter Senghaas classic 'Weltwirtschaftsordnung und Entwicklungspolitik', and you realize what I mean
5)Sorry to say this, but user Jaque Hammer, who started the whole debate, says about himself that he cannot publish his name because he has to be politically correct on his job. By implying ((political correctness]] to forbid, as most people in Europe understand it, Islamophobia, Xenophobia and Antisemitism, does this mean then that 'political incorrectness' is allowed on the pages of Wikipedia? One has to know that Tausch is one of the few advocates of Turkish accession to the European Union within the framework of the Copenhaguen criteria and a secular and democratic Turkish Republic, so I have my gravest political doubts about this Jaque Hammer proposal User Hichem Khaldoun — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hichem Khaldoun User signature: Hichem Khaldoun(talk • contribs) 13:53, 22 January 2011 (UTC) — Hichem Khaldoun (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
- KEEP: The Attack Against Tausch is Obviously Political This is quite a ridiculous discussion triggered by the jealousy and the intellectual blindness. We shouldn't even discuss the matter. Tausch is a renowned social scientist who worked with people worldly known to be leading scientists for the quantitative approach in World Systems Theory. Jaque Hammer pretends not to see any reference to his name in this connection? Bogus! The references to Arno Tausch are quite visible on the Wikipedia itself: See: Further Reading. Here is the link to the World Systems Theory Website of the Institute for Research on World-Systems (IROWS) at the University of California, Riverside : The World-Systems Archive And here is the reference to Arno Tausch: Working Papers in the World-Systems Archive. More Here: Papers of Arno Tausch So, Jacque? Didn't you see it?
We are aware however that as Tausch is a leading European scientist who dedicated much of his time and work to defend a multicultural approach to Islam and Muslims in Europe, he has become a target for right-wing extremists. While attacking his page on Wikipedia they actually show they are not so much different from radical Islamists as to the terrorist means used against the intellectuals who oppose them. Ibn Khaldun --Ibn Khaldun78 (talk) 15:31, 22 January 2011 (UTC)— Ibn Khaldun78 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
- Keep - plenty of sourcing provides notability for this article. Notable author, Multiple reviewed books (and that is a fact).--BabbaQ (talk) 16:49, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Why, then, is impact on GS so low? Xxanthippe (talk) 04:36, 23 January 2011 (UTC).[reply]
- Comment An answer from User Hichem Khaldoun: as any library science 100 course will teach you, dear user Xxanthippe, an impact analysis has to be done very carefully. Google scholar is a good instrument, just as Google book search; as with any impact analysis you have to consider that in articles and books, people use different quotation styles. So some people will refer to an 'Arno Tausch' and his works by quoting in the literature, say 'Tausch A. (1993), 'Towards a socio-liberal' etc.'; some will refer to the Commonwealth edition published by Macmillan (today Palgrave), others will refer to the edition Saint Martin's Press New York (written St' by some, Saint by others...). And this is just one work; to do justice to any scholar, you have to take the last name of an author like 'Tausch' plus key terms from his main work titles to arrive at a really adequate picture. Rest assured that entering the last name 'Tausch' plus work titles yields long lists at Google scholar, Google book search, or for that matter, any other major bibliographical service, available at major research libraries around the globe. Tausch compiled by the way a large number of scientometric evidence of this kind at his website at http://www.getcited.org/pub/103420157, well supporting his claim that publications, which he authored or co-authored, or to which he contributed, featured or feauture as recommended materials at some 30 major Universities and centers of higher learning around the world, including Harvard University, and are on the reading lists of major international organizations, such as the European Commission, the ILO, the OECD, the Indian Ministry of External Affairs, the Swiss Department of Defense, the World Bank, and the United Nations, and were referred to in over 130 international journals/yearbooks, and over 90 major international textbooks of social sciences. The Harvard course was the class offered by Professor Jocelyne Cesari on Euro-Islam.User:Hichem Khladoun
- Why, then, is impact on GS so low? Xxanthippe (talk) 04:36, 23 January 2011 (UTC).[reply]
- Keep Even allowing for a huge number of trivial mentions, enough significant sources remain for him to easily pass as an author or academic. The Steve 11:14, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Which category of "academic" (]
- Comment Dr. Tausch always makes it clear to the students in his classrooms that he has given up being a pure scientist long ago, and that, although he speaks in the classroom and in his publications as an academic, he is and remains a member of the higher echelons of the Austrian bureaucracy (true enough, his superiors want a clear distinction between these activities and his role as a writer and teacher). For that reason, publications and speaking engagements with important think tanks, as the IMEMO Institute in Moscow, are far more important to him than mere quotation figures. Perhaps it would be better to move a short and re-written article on him into the ‘public figures’ category, away from what he in his Vienna classrooms anyway calls the ‘boring Ivory Tower’. Highlights of such activities were his participation and publishing for the Luxembourg Ministry of the Economy and Foreign Trade conference on the "The Political Economy of the Lisbon Agenda" on Tuesday, 12 April 2005 in Luxembourg-Kirchberg (his paper was published as (2007), ‘The City on a Hill? The Latin Americanization of Europe and the Lost Competition with the U.S.A.’ Amsterdam: Rozenberg (for info: http://www.rozenbergps.com/). In this context, one could also mention his paper for the Luxembourg Institute for International and European Studies Conference ‘Reforming European Pension Systems’, 24 and 25 September 2004, Castle of Schengen, Luxembourg, in memory of Nobel laureate Franco Modigliani. The book in memory of Franco Modiglani was published as Arun Muralidhar & Serge Allegrezza (eds.) Reforming European Pension Systems, Luxembourg Institute for European and International Studies, with the contributions of seemingly utterly irrelevant people in it, like Robert Solow and Paul Samuelson. Without irony: Wikipedia strategists should begin to think about designing criteria, which do justice to the notability of such events, and not only to the n-th quotation of articles like the 2002 piece by Dr. Wim E. Crusio on ‘’’’Knockout mice’’’: simple solutions to the problems of genetic background and flanking genes’ Trends in Neuroscience 25: 7. 336-340 July. Wikipedia rightfully devotes a page to this Dutch scholar, user Crusio, while someone, who recently created a real furore in the German quality press by his study (with colleagues) on the efficiency and effectiveness of social spending, should not have an entry? Google News and Google News Archive should be additional categories in judging on the merits of an entry Signed User Franz weber — Preceding unsigned comment added by Franz weber (talk • contribs) 12:27, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- And which significant sources? --Crusio (talk) 16:16, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment from user Hichem Khaldoun: well what about these recent statement about one of most recent books, then?
- Comment Dr. Tausch always makes it clear to the students in his classrooms that he has given up being a pure scientist long ago, and that, although he speaks in the classroom and in his publications as an academic, he is and remains a member of the higher echelons of the Austrian bureaucracy (true enough, his superiors want a clear distinction between these activities and his role as a writer and teacher). For that reason, publications and speaking engagements with important think tanks, as the
“This volume provides a formidable account of Muslim volumes with regard to key questions of tradition and modernization, offering important new perspectives on the relationship of culture and values to social change. The data support arguments regarding the integration of Muslim majorities into modern society, while also identifying the the pockets of anti-modern extremism. The account is indispensable for a full understanding of religious and cultural conflict today.”
Russell Berman, Walter A. Haas Professor in the Humanities, Stanford University
“Professor Tausch’s astute analysis of Muslim values is the foundation to a policy response of a global issue. A study that has arrived at the appropriate time”
“I am most grateful for your excellent survey of Muslim values. I learned much from it, and I plan to share it with my colleagues and students”.
Amitai Etzioni, University Professor, The George Washington University, Washington, DC
Arno Tausch presents a powerful and controversial interpretation of the growth of contemporary religion as a protest against capitalist forms of globalization with its attendant destruction of families, communities, and restraints on sexual licentiousness. An important contribution to understanding the global struggles we face today.
Rabbi Michael Lerner, editor of Tikkun Magazine and author of The Left Hand of God: Taking Back our Country from the Religious Right — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hichem Khaldoun (talk • contribs) 16:54, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Interesting. I have two further comments: 1/ Do you have any references for this that we could include in the article? 2/ Concerning Etzioni's remark, that sounds like something that he would have said to Tausch personally. Can you tell us how you know about this? --Crusio (talk) 17:14, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment It's the blurb on the backcover of the 1.3 billion Muslim book, and it's mentioned on several webpages, and it's even mentioned on the official homepage of the Muslim brotherhood in the World, otherwise not directly my preferred source of information (http://www.ikhwanweb.com/article.php?id=21090&ref=search.php) The blurbs for several of his others books are interesting to read as well.
- Comment It's the blurb on the backcover of the 1.3 billion Muslim book, and it's mentioned on several webpages, and it's even mentioned on the official homepage of the
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- It has been long-established here that blurbs are not ]
- Comment (from user Hichem Khaldoun) User Crusio, known to be a well-known scientist himself, perhaps should consider that the following reviewed and quality controlled bibliographies in the field of social sciences and international relations frequently refer to Tausch works. And you know what, by the way? I went to the Wikipedia page about the respected neurologist Dr. Wim Crusio (this said without any irony at all), and began to count the monthly access statistics for the entries in English, French and Dutch language, as an indicator of the global notability of this scholar. Gratulations (without any irony). In English they are in the region of a monthly 300-500 or so; and in the other languages at around 50 or so. And you know what, then? The Tausch figures are almost identical to the Crusio in English, and in the same region, sometimes perhaps higher, for the entries in Spanish, German and French, and in the same region for the Tausch entries in Russian, Polish, Portuguese, Arabic and Persian (Farsi). Why then all this talk about the Tausch article? Turning to the field of social sciences, especially the entries in the IREON bibliography are relevant in this context, because Tausch deals with European Union issues, and the IREON system is run by the think tank of the Federal Chancellery in Germany, the Stiftung Wissenschaft und Politik (SWP) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stiftung_Wissenschaft_und_Politik; see the German Wikipedia entry):
1. Academic Onefile 2. ADB - the Article DataBase powered by Vubis 3. AMS Forschungsnetzwerk, Austria 4. Bibliographie européenne des travaux sur l'ex-URSS et l'Europe de l'Est, European Bibliography of Slavic and East European Studies (EBSEES), Europaeische Bibliographie zur Osteuropaforschung (Berlin) 5. Bibliography of Asian Studies 6. Bielefeld Search Engine BASE 7. Blackwell Synergy/John Wiley Journals 8. C.E.E.O.L. Central and Eastern Europe online 9. Cambridge Scientific Abstracts 10. CIBERA Biblioteca Virtual Latinoamericana - Comprehensive bibliography of Latin America 11. Cross Asia (Berlin) 12. Deutsche Gesellschaft fuer Auswaertige Politik 13. EBSCO 14. ECONIS 15. EINIRAS - European Information Network on International Relations and Area Studies 16. Federal Ministry of Education and Research, Federal Republic of Germany, Infoconnex Science 17. GBI Content - Genios 18. Google book search 19. Google scholar 20. IBLK Metacatalogue ‘International Relations’ (Stiftung Wissenschaft und Politik, Berlin) 21. IBLK The Karlsruhe bibliography on international relations 22. IBZ K.G. Sauer online 23. Index Islamicus 24. Inwent [formerly IZEP – ‘Literaturdatenbank LITDOK’] 25. IREON-Portal 26. ISI Web of Knowledge® 27. JSTOR 28. LABORDOC ILO 29. Lalisio literature search - Q Sensei 30. MENALIB – Middle East Virtual Library University of Halle an der Saale, FRG 31. MERLN Military Educational Reseéarch Library Network 32. Periodicals Index Online 33. POLDOK journal literature 34. Proquest Abiinform 35. Questia 36. Sage Journals online 37. Scopus 38. SOWIDOK 39. UNBIS Net United Nations Bibliographical Resource from the UN's Dag Hammarskjoeld Library 40. Vascoda 41. VIFAPOL - SSG Politikwissenschaft und Friedensforschung 42. Virtual Library Eastern Europe 43. Worldcat 44. Worldwidescience.org — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hichem Khaldoun (talk • contribs) 09:09, 24 January 2011 (UTC) — Hichem Khaldoun (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
- Comment I'm sorry, but that long list of indexes (even IREON) doesn't really mean much. What they establish is that these publications exist, which is not in doubt anyway. They do not establish, however, that these publications have been noticed, which is what would establish WP:PROF to get an idea of what is needed here (that guideline not only gives criteria, but also hints on where to find sources). As for access statistics on WP, these have no bearing whatsoever on establishing notability. Please read the guidelines! --Crusio (talk) 09:45, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment (from User Franz weber) I would not like to vote in this debate here, but let me come up with a practical suggestion: I think that user Msrasnw would be Wikipedia experienced enough to come up with an article really conforming in style to Wiki standards and in the sense of the suggestions he has made here on these pages [User Franz weber]] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Franz weber (talk • contribs) 15:14, 25 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Reply: Dear Franz Weber, thank you for your assumption I am experienced enough to be able to help the article conform to the standards required. I will try do that when this Afd debate is over if the article is kept. (Perhaps I should try now - but I don't know that it would help and would perhaps annoy everyone). Looking at the debate it would seem to me no-consensus has been reached. I think the subsequent article I might produce would be massively reduced in size (it would be stubbish) and although I can imagine some would be resistant to losing lots of the current content I try and see what I can do. (PS: I am in no way connected with Dr Tausch (or Nova Publishers) but was taught, very briefly, by Andre Gunder Frank so I know a little bit about this World Systems stuff.) (Msrasnw (talk) 12:09, 26 January 2011 (UTC))[reply]
I think you are assuming too much here. AfD is not a !vote and the closing admin will decide based on the arguments presented. As far as I can see, the "delete" !votes all give solid arguments, whereas the "keep" votes basically only say "is notable, keep". Barring reliable sources confirming notability, I cannot see how the decision could be anything other than "delete". --Crusio (talk) 12:38, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
* Reply to Crusio, I think you are a little presumptious in claiming that my reply is "assuming to much". I don't know that you could fairly say I was assuming this will be kept - all I said was that it seems to me no-consensus has been reached. I think both or either wp:prof #1 via looking at how widely the person's books are held in various academic libraries (this information is available in Worldcat) and/or wp:author #3 via the person has created a significant or well-known work collective body of work, that has been the subject of multiple reviews are plausible grounds for keeping. And that the article has this information in it albeit hidden by lots of stuff. (And those pushing for deletion should be aware of asymmetries in these debates and their results and the importance of civility) PS: Also I think it is perhaps not a good idea to be criticising peoples CVs here. We all have our faults. Anyway best wishes :) (Msrasnw (talk) 15:24, 26 January 2011 (UTC))[reply]
- Reply: Dear Franz Weber, thank you for your assumption I am experienced enough to be able to help the article conform to the standards required. I will try do that when this Afd debate is over if the article is kept. (Perhaps I should try now - but I don't know that it would help and would perhaps annoy everyone). Looking at the debate it would seem to me no-consensus has been reached. I think the subsequent article I might produce would be massively reduced in size (it would be stubbish) and although I can imagine some would be resistant to losing lots of the current content I try and see what I can do. (PS: I am in no way connected with Dr Tausch (or Nova Publishers) but was taught, very briefly, by Andre Gunder Frank so I know a little bit about this World Systems stuff.) (Msrasnw (talk) 12:09, 26 January 2011 (UTC))[reply]
- Delete This vote will probably earn me another angry email from Dr. Tausch, with copies to what he seems to perceive as my hierarchical superiors. However, despite a large volume of publications, these seem to go largely unnoticed as shown above by Xxanthippe and Hrafn (Web of Science gives similar citation rates as what they report). Despite the activity of two highly-motivated SPAs here, no reliable, independent sources showing notability have been forthcoming. I have waded through parts of his extensive CV (4.24 Mb) posted here, which seems to contain virtually every single instance his work has been mentioned anywhere and have not found anything that would meet the requirements of WP:PROF or WP:AUTHOR. --Crusio (talk) 05:26, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment (from User Hichem Khaldoun) Dr. Wim Crusio is a scientist with high a reputation in the field of neurology, and this comment should help him in his 'wading' (isn't that expression slanderous, in a way?) through literature and references to find out Tausch's impact on the course of the political science debate on dependency, development, global and also Austrian poverty, globalization etc. This impact can be followed from the substantial reception, his works received in international standard sources with a very high 'impact factor' on the 'ISI Web of Science or Scopus, limited practically to the countries of the centre, and disregarding wide areas of our globe, such as Latin America, Africa, wide parts of Asia, Eastern Europe. I say: triumph in triumph, relegate the Tausch entry from Wikipedia, enjoy the notability of your own research, while you evict a source of information perhaps useful to users of the internet in countries such as India or Tanzania and celebrate your victory (User Hichem Khaldoun). PS: of particular importance for the debate in the Netherlands:
Muslim Calvinism - Internal Security and The Lisbon Process In Europe The European Social Survey Data, and Internal Security in Europe Arno Tausch, Christian Bischof & Karl Mueller
The book "Muslim Calvinism: Internal Security and the Lisbon Process in Europe" provides a new and challenging scientific analysis about Muslims and non-Muslims in Europe and their trust in policy, democracy and personal happiness; a challenging book for all interested readers, especially with the focus of the Muslim and non-Muslim policy in Europe.
Prof. Dr. Dr.h.c.mult.
- Comment: I have started with some minor attempts to improve the article - trivially with a smaller size of the picture - but more substantially looking for reviews of Tausch's work. Just picking the first book this has been reviewed in Political Studies and it has according to WorldCat 252 US libraries holding it. These would seem to me reliable sources for helping meet our requirements. Should I carry on adding such things or wait for the result of the debate? (Msrasnw (talk) 16:36, 27 January 2011 (UTC))[reply]
- Delete: using the conventional metrics commonly applied to AfDs here, I see no basis for an article on this person. He is obviously prolific, but that only makes it all the more clear that the attention his work has received is not extensive. A number of the keep votes above are clearly not familiar with the relevant notability standards and how they are applied (I do not of course include DGG in that comment). Nomoskedasticity (talk) 19:27, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:11, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Majorcan Grand Prix
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Speculative and a violation of
- Delete I agree, too speculative - so per ]
- Delete per nom. --Falcadore (talk) 11:48, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom and my query at ]
- Delete Too speculative - there's no great substance to the article anyway. It can be easily created when and if it ever comes to fruition. Ronhjones (Talk) 13:04, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete per WP:CRYSTAL. In particular: articles "should only be included if the event is notable and almost certain to take place." (My emphasis) 4u1e (talk) 19:25, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom and WP:CRYSTAL. As we saw overnight, Rome was super-keen on hosting a race, but abandoned their plans. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 08:12, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 00:41, 28 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Ali Tim
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Puff piece on non-notable individual, apparently nothing more than an amateur musician and writer, mostly unsourced, no signs of independent coverage. Fut.Perf. ☼ 09:58, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete As nominator states; no real claim to notability WP:BIO. Statements such as "two unpublished books, [...] which are soon going to be available in stores" don't help, either. Chzz ► 11:36, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete A web browse shows "notability" as: a myspace, a facebook page, a 2002 review of an album, a photograph on deviantart.com, an image page on flickr, and one or two other minor "achievements". The originator and major contributor of the article, FireStation at AAG) could be closely associated with Tim [8], not in itself wrong, but could show a non-NPOV, and a tendency to elaborate something that is not notable. Acabashi (talk) 13:03, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 00:41, 28 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Reverse trading
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This looks like
- Delete Does not seem to be a notable concept, at least under that name. Jaque Hammer (talk) 10:38, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. No source has been found (and as I know from #wikipedia, the author has been looking for quite a while). And as I've told him all along, I think it's redundant with other articles like shorting. --Gwern (contribs) 18:04 20 January 2011 (GMT)
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Logan Talk Contributions 02:49, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Krasnoklutchevskaya Dam
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Very small hydroplant which is not notable. There is no reliable sources about this plant. Automatic translation from ru:wiki. Beagel (talk) 08:56, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- What about the two newspapers cited in the Russian Wikipedia article, for starters? (It's not good that a translator edited out the source citations that were in the original. But you've obviously seen the original, complete with the citations.) Uncle G (talk) 12:06, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- By my understanding these are local, not mainstream sources. I am not sure if this is enough for a notability in English wiki. Also, both of them are mentioning the dam/power station in the context of the Krasny Kluch (Krasnoklutchevskaya) Spring. I agree that the spring is notable; however, the dam without the spring is not. Beagel (talk) 16:48, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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- Keep - these sort of articles are are useful for people interested in civil engineering projects. As an important piece of infrastructure it is also notable -- Mecanismo | Talk
- Could you please explain the importance of this project? It has an installed capacity of 200kW, which is very small compared to largest hydro projects over 10GW. There are thousands of power plants with bigger capacity than 200kW and certainly not all of them are notable in the en-wiki.
- This isn't a micro hydro plant. These plants don't just pop out of nowhere and it's always interesting to read and learn from them. Who cares if there are hydro plants that can generate more power. Do you believe that only the three gorges dam and similar dams deserve to be shown to the world? That is, have you single-handedly defined the notability criteria for dams? -- Mecanismo | Talk 17:29, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. The controversy described in the sources (which can be found in the ru_wiki article) is well worth the coverage and qualifies as notable. WP:N does not discriminate between "local" and "mainstream" sources. On whether the spring is more notable than the dam, it's hard to say, but I'd be OK with merging the dam-specific information into an article about the spring. While both subjects are notable, they are hardly high-profile, so whether the final article will be primarily about the dam or the spring, it probably doesn't matter much anyway.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); January 21, 2011; 14:46 (UTC)
- In this form, I would be in favour of deleting the article. But if the language is corrected, notable sources added, then the article could be also kept. The Russian article was also discussed for deletion here, the result was to keep it, but the state of the articles was much better. — Ace111 (talk) 01:16, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - The Russian coverage does seem to be enough to pass ]
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The result was delete.
]Silat in popular culture
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Almost unsourced trivial mentions. Amounts to nothing more than "Work X said Silat" without explaining how it's influenced popular culture. Dwanyewest (talk) 08:40, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete - I am a big fan of Pop-culture articles, but I can't see that, even if sourced, that this could be considered notable. Silat, a martial art from Malaysia is already there in pop-culture. The list in this article doesn't explain why, when, how, etc., it is notable. Please, convince me otherwise! Bearian (talk) 23:10, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete This is an unsourced article which gives no reason why anything is on (or not on) the list. It appears to be more of a trivia article. Astudent0 (talk) 13:45, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. As it currently stands, it would need a lot of work before it could demonstrate notability and provide support for many of the points in it. Janggeom (talk) 15:52, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete No notability shown and no reliable sources. Papaursa (talk) 18:45, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 00:41, 28 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
List of Lightning Scientific Arnis masters
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An un encyclopaedic list of martial arts masters without notability been established Dwanyewest (talk) 08:27, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete This is an unsourced list with no indication of what makes the people on it notable. Astudent0 (talk) 18:45, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete Since there are no sources (and the article has been tagged for 3 years), there's no indication of what makes these particular individuals notable. Papaursa (talk) 19:03, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete.
]Sanchin-ryu
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Un notable martial art severly lacking in third person sources Dwanyewest (talk) 08:30, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete This article is unsourced and I see no claims of notability. I was not able to find any independent sources that would support notability. Most of what I found was either from those directly connected or on martial arts talk forums. Astudent0 (talk) 18:56, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. No indication of notability. Little more than an advertisement, as it currently stands. Janggeom (talk) 15:50, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete I found nothing that shows this style is notable, nor did I find any reliable sources that discuss it. Papaursa (talk) 18:47, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 00:40, 28 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
List of Krav Maga organizations
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An un encyclopaedic list of martial arts organisations without notability been established Dwanyewest (talk) 08:26, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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- Keep Definitely notable.
--Bobbyd2011 (talk) 19:36, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Why is it "definitely notable"? As a brand new editor, you should be aware that you should justify your votes with good reasons.
- Weak Delete Conceptually, this list seems a reasonable one to have, but there are no sources and no indication of what makes these organizations notable. It looks like someone did a web search and listed the Krav Maga organizations they could find. That seems like original research to me. Papaursa (talk) 18:56, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete An unsourced article that gives no reasons why the listed organizations are notable. Astudent0 (talk) 18:33, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 00:40, 28 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
NiCad (band)
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Fails
]- Delete Agree with nominator, also appears to fail ]
- Probably, if you wish to do so then go ahead. ]
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- Note I'm just going to go ahead and ]
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- Delete: unsourced and fails ]
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The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 00:40, 28 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Berney/Fly Bed and Breakfast
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WP:ADVERT article not notable enough to merit inclusion, unless I'm missing something with the NRHP claim. I didn't find it listed at National Register of Historic Places listings in Mobile, Alabama, although it may be part of one of the historic districts, such as Oakleigh Garden Historic District. Even if that is so, I don't think that would merit its own article, especially one that's pretty much a B&B advert. JaGatalk 08:17, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete. It is definitely not individually listed on the NRHP , although the Mobile Historical Commission does show it as a contributing building to the Oakleigh Garden Historic District. I don't believe this is enough to establish its own individual notability, there are several hundred other historic contributing buildings on this one street alone. Nothing in the article suggests any other notability. Altairisfar 14:56, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as merely being one of hundreds of contributing buildings to a historic district is insufficient to warrant a separate article without significant coverage. I found brief mentions in The New York Times and Washington Post but only a couple of sentences in a larger travel article, not in any way focused on the B&B. Perhaps a paragraph could be saved for the district's article in a merge? - Dravecky (talk) 15:16, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment It appears the article creator specialized in B&B spam: see user contributions. --JaGatalk 18:09, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete.
]The Work Tour
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Delete because per Wikipedia:Notability (music)#Concert tours, this is a non-notable concert tour as it does little else but provide a list of concert dates. -- Lil_℧niquℇ №1 [talk] 23:38, 12 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. This article needs to be improved not deleted. There are many available sources and many available images. If needed, I can start spiffying up this article. I Help, When I Can.[12] 01:31, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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- Keep I disagree that it violates Wikipedia:Notability (music)#Concert tours. "Such coverage might show notability in terms of artistic approach, financial success, relationship to audience, or other such terms" gives a lot of room for interpretation. It seems that the guideline is in place to prevent articles being created for tours where the only references are "the tour happened". The coverage in the references provided The Work Tour extends beyond mere announcement of the tour. It is the first tour of a very notable ensemble, there is coverage of one of the stars being injured and several dates being sold out. I believe it meets notability guidelines. DubiousIrony yell 03:25, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Doesn't matter. If you want to talk about notable artists look at the Sugababes who've been round extensively longer than The Saturdays yet some of their tours don't have articles. I disagree that The Work Tour is notable. Tours do not inherit notability from their artist/supporting album. As a standalone event the tour is not notable. The article simply provides a list of tour dates. There is no information about the set-up, planning or critical reviews of the tour which would make it notable. Selling out some shows and one member getting injured could be mentioned on the artist's page. Those two small things don't warrant a whole page to list the tour dates. -- Lil_℧niquℇ №1 [talk] 17:51, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- This is the issue with guidelines based on "significant coverage" and significant coverage being defined as notability due to "financial success, artistic approach or other such terms". We obviously have very different standards for 'other such terms'. I interpret it as "if the tour is notable at all on any level beyond 'it just happened' then it should be included" while you set the notability bar higher.About the Sugababes, you are of course correct that notability is not directly inherited and should never be used as the sole guideline for inclusion, but let's not fool ourselves into saying that notability of an artist isn't at least a secondary consideration. I have in fact commented on one of your AfDs, the Sugababes' Overload Tour. I voted to delete as it was not referenced and I could not find any good sources for it on the internet. The Work Tour, on the other hand, is reasonably well referenced. I guess we'll wait for the community to weigh in :) DubiousIrony yell 18:54, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- I judge these nominations based on whether the information could be suitable merged to the artists' page. If you can merge additional information to the artists page and all that's left is tour dates then yes a deletion is required. The absence of tour production and background means a note about injury could easily be listed on the artist's page. if we were talking about more than one paragraph of reception and background then it would be different. -- Lil_℧niquℇ №1 [talk] 19:56, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- This is the issue with guidelines based on "significant coverage" and significant coverage being defined as notability due to "financial success, artistic approach or other such terms". We obviously have very different standards for 'other such terms'. I interpret it as "if the tour is notable at all on any level beyond 'it just happened' then it should be included" while you set the notability bar higher.About the Sugababes, you are of course correct that notability is not directly inherited and should never be used as the sole guideline for inclusion, but let's not fool ourselves into saying that notability of an artist isn't at least a secondary consideration. I have in fact commented on one of your AfDs, the Sugababes' Overload Tour. I voted to delete as it was not referenced and I could not find any good sources for it on the internet. The Work Tour, on the other hand, is reasonably well referenced. I guess we'll wait for the community to weigh in :) DubiousIrony yell 18:54, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete - The "Digital Spy" story is all about someone falling over; it is not about the tour. The Glasswerk one could only be used to assert that the girls were 'excited' - and the dates of the tour. Therefore, I simply can't see "significant coverage" for the actual subject - ]
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The result was no consensus.
]Cat Palmer (artist)
Vanispamcruftisement for non notable artist WuhWuzDat 18:21, 12 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete This artist has had some coverage in local media but that's all. Doesn't meet the general notability guidelines. E. Fokker (talk) 19:42, 12 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, autobio spam; the spam has been largely cut out, but all that's left is a resume entry. Hairhorn (talk) 23:01, 12 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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- Keep Article meets Artistic notability in Utah is not like winning a neighborhood bake sale. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 01:35, 15 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Doesn't meet WP:GNG is concerned. Like 1000s of other local artists. freshacconci talktalk 02:02, 15 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- This article is not about ]
- Comment I'm afraid you've misunderstood me. Which is understandable, since I wasn't clear. I have nothing against local artists--we're all local to some place. Nor do I consider any place a "backwater" (although I don't seem to see where I say that or disparage Utah in any way). I just feel that WP:ARTIST is clear on the level of notability and this artist has not made the leap to national let alone international notability. As a local artist, her notability does not seem to be beyond the trivial. Simply put, she's not ready for an encyclopedia article. This is not a judgment on her as an artist. When I consider my !vote in these matters, I try to avoid looking at the art so as to not influence my opinion. freshacconci talktalk 13:39, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I'm afraid you've misunderstood me. Which is understandable, since I wasn't clear. I have nothing against local artists--we're all local to some place. Nor do I consider any place a "backwater" (although I don't seem to see where I say that or disparage Utah in any way). I just feel that
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- Comment: Vanispamcruftisement for non notable artist seems unnecessarily gleeful. -- Hoary (talk) 03:14, 15 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep – article has changed since AfD was proposed and improvements continue; the cryptic grounds for deletion in WuhWuzDat’s portmanteau neologism no longer apply. The subject clearly satisfies article’s talk page), and the initial lack of references has been addressed; work continues on the formatting of the article and the balance of subject matter. I am in no doubt that this subject satisfies Wikipedia’s criteria for inclusion, and that it can be progressively improved into an encyclopaedic article. — Hebrides (talk) 11:12, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- See Wikipedia:Vanispamcruftisement. WuhWuzDat 18:37, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Just to be clear: which part of ]
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- Keep as per Schmidt, Hebrides. Edward321 (talk) 01:00, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 00:40, 28 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
John Schlossberg
18 year old grandson of a celebrity - notability is not inherited Travelbird (talk) 07:40, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete Nothing notable about him.
--Bobbyd2011 (talk) 19:17, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete At this point he has not become the subject of much news coverage [11] - merely passing mentions in articles about the family. He's only 18, and it may be that the press will pay more attention to him later, but he is not notable now. --MelanieN (talk) 19:26, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was merge to Facesitting. (non-admin closure) Logan Talk Contributions 02:58, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Smotherbox
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Does not appear to be independently notable. No references demonstrate this to me.
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- Merge and redirect to
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- Agree with The Anome's suggestion that this would be a better target. Kenilworth Terrace (talk) 17:33, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge and redirect to Facesitting. -- The Anome (talk) 15:34, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Logan Talk Contributions 02:59, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Bondage suit
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Does not appear to be independently notable. No references demonstrate this to me.
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- Keep. It was easy enough to find some references. Kenilworth Terrace (talk) 20:01, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Looks independently notable enough. Thanks to Kenilworth Terrace for providing the refs. Jarkeld (talk) 20:36, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Sufficiently sourced. OhNoitsJamie Talk 22:02, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep as notable, per sources now in the article. -- The Anome (talk) 15:31, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Logan Talk Contributions 02:59, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Bondage hood
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Does not appear to be independently notable. No references demonstrate this to me.
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- Question for the nominator. What has changed since the keep at the previous AFD? Kenilworth Terrace (talk) 18:34, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per previous keep, as nothing has changed since then.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 12:27, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Nothing has changed is the problem. ONE source? — Preceding ]
- Keep Current source is sufficient, though more would be preferable. OhNoitsJamie Talk 21:57, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep -- a bit of Googling will show a vast number of hits, and, in addition to the cite given already, there are lots of mentions of both "gimp mask" and "bondage hood" in Google's News Archive, many of which would be suitable as cites: see [12], [13] -- The Anome (talk) 22:42, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - simply notable.--BabbaQ (talk) 14:31, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Logan Talk Contributions 03:00, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Bondage cuffs
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Does not appear to be independently notable. No references demonstrate this to me.
- Keep. This is a topic covered by almost every BDSM manual, of which I have just added cites to two, chosen pretty much at random. Much more citing is needed, but I believe this is sufficient to establish notability and verifiability. -- The Anome (talk) 13:37, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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- keep I think if anything a merge discussion On all subsequent bondage themed articles that were nominated for deletion should have been the first step before taking this to AFD. AGF on BDSM per Anome. Ottawa4ever (talk)
- Keep per The Anome. OhNoitsJamie Talk 22:03, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep -per The Anome.--BabbaQ (talk) 14:30, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Logan Talk Contributions 03:03, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Body belt
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Does not appear to be independently notable. No references demonstrate this to me.
- And where did you look for references? You didn't actually look anywhere at all, did you? If you had, you wouldn't have included this item in your little spree of deletion nominations of bondage equipment, because you'd have found that bondage is largely irrelevant to how sources — such as Ellis' 1993 Introduction to fall protection, Brauer's 2006 Safety and health for engineers, and Shoemaker's and Mack's 2000 The lineman's and cableman's field manual — discuss this subject, which is as a quite ordinary item of safety equipment for linemen, cablemen, and other engineers.
It's rather sad that Wikipedia editors concentrated upon bondage for five years, only realizing that this was in fact a mundane piece of equipment, and starting to refactor the article accordingly, in August 2010. But at least the writers had the (not very good) excuse that they were focussed upon writing about bondage. You don't have that excuse for not simply looking up what this is and seeing that it is, in fact, documented in sources that discuss quite a lot of things about it, from the government codes regulating its construction and use as a piece of safety equipment, to the safety handbooks that discuss its merits and demerits vis-á-vis a full harness as a fall arrestor.
Put the effort in to look up sources yourself before nominating things for deletion. That's what Wikipedia:deletion policy requires of you. That way, you won't find yourself writing such falsehoods when you claim that there are no sources discussing the subject. Uncle G (talk) 12:31, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Clearly a notable concept, with thousands of hits on Google Books and hundreds on Google Scholar. Kenilworth Terrace (talk) 18:22, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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- Keep Large amounts of gbooks and gscholar hits indicate notability. Nom has not advanced any rebuttal to this or any other reason why this article should be deleted. OSbornarfcontributionatoration 22:02, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - per OSborn.--BabbaQ (talk) 14:33, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Logan Talk Contributions 03:04, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Ben Wa balls
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Does not appear to be independently notable. No references demonstrate this to me.
- Keep aside from the marketing and two specific websites, they are covered in several books. Being a sex toy, I can't imagine a ton of independent publications on them as well. There isn't a specific notability guideline for sex toys, but I would consider there notable enough for an article. Side note: a retiring judge has an interesting story about em' that may end up in her book.--NortyNort (Holla) 10:10, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Then please source the article itself. — Preceding ]
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- Keep. Notability established by a hundred hits on Google Scholar and the references already described. The nominator does not appear to have investigated possible sources per WP:BEFORE #4, and has not explained why the situation has changed since the keep on this article just a year ago. Kenilworth Terrace (talk) 18:28, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- This article is also one of many sex toys AfD'd.--NortyNort (Holla) 21:35, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep -- obviously notable and referenceable. Suggest submitter read WP:BEFORE before performing any more nominations for deletion. -- The Anome (talk) 15:01, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Logan Talk Contributions 03:05, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Bondage tape
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Does not appear to be independently notable. No references demonstrate this to me.
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- Keep with numerous hits on Google Books, News and Scholar. Kenilworth Terrace (talk) 19:37, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Please source it. — Preceding ]
- If you look at the article history, you will see that I had already done so 10 minutes before making my comment here. Kenilworth Terrace (talk) 17:58, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Reasonably sourced. OhNoitsJamie Talk 21:57, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per ]
- Keep - simply notable, in the "bondage world".--BabbaQ (talk) 14:34, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. -- Cirt (talk) 00:40, 28 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Bondage harness
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Does not appear to be independently notable. No references demonstrate this to me.
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- Keep. Reference now added to a definition, and another to a new article. More are needed, but this topic is widely discussed. -- The Anome (talk) 15:04, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per references. --BabbaQ (talk) 14:30, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Keep, discuss and possibly merge. PhilKnight (talk) 19:15, 30 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Grand External Propaganda Strategy
This is the result of a content dispute currently occuring in the
Despite the name, the Grand External Propganda Strategy is not an official strategy, but one extrapolated by the article creator from various online sources, which while present in the article, never refer to the concept as an official strategy. This makes the article
- Comment. According to the source, "In early 2009 Beijing announced that it would invest a further phenomenal 45 billion yuan into its main media outlets to strengthen their international news coverage and global presence.". Does it show the existence of any specific modern-day project that deserves a separate article? Perhaps I am missing something because I can not read Chinese sources. But so far this looks like merge the content elsewhere.]
- I'm not disputing that the funding doesn't exist. It does, and it should be mentioned in the Foreign relations of the People's Republic of China article . However, it is not an independent project or a concerted strategic campaign as the article portrays it as, and the term "Grand External Propaganda Strategy" has never been used in English to describe it. That is largely the invention of the article's creator. The United States funds hundreds of organizations and campaigns, but we don't have a separate article for each financial contribution. The same logic applies here.--JeremyMiller (talk) 17:56, 5 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm not disputing that the funding doesn't exist. It does, and it should be mentioned in the
- P.S. This is not a "POV content fork designed to disruptively make a point". Looks like a good faith effort to me. ]
- This is not a good faith effort. He created this article hours after having the initial dispute on the Confucius Institute article on the exact same topic that was under dispute. This is a text book case of POV forking to make a point. If he has problems with Confucius Institute article, he should keep it to the talk page. Creating a separate article with the disputed content is inappropriate.--JeremyMiller (talk) 17:52, 5 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment Editors just need to have a look at this article:[14]Testimony of Associate-Professor Anne-Marie Brady School of Political and Social Sciences University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand. Professor Brady has made it very clear that when it comes to propaganda, PRC means business:
Arilang talk 06:10, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]In early 2009 Beijing announced that it would invest a further phenomenal 45 billion yuan into its main media outlets to strengthen their international news coverage and global presence. As part of this, Xinhua News Service will increase their overseas bureaus from 100 to 186, almost enough to have one in every country in the world. The Global Times, an extremely popular People's Daily-owned tabloid with a strong international focus, will soon set up an English language edition. And CCTV-9 will set up Arabic and Russian language services.
- Yes, China funds propaganda, and we have an article on that subject at synthesis of sources made to support an idea that was never presented in the original sources. The United States funds hundreds of organizations and campaigns, but we don't have a separate article for each financial contribution. The same logic applies here.--JeremyMiller (talk) 14:25, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment If editors care to read He Qinglian's post at VOA Chinese:http://voachineseblog.com/heqinglian/2011/01/china-is-thought-as-the-most-powerful-in-economy/, then they might find out that this title of "Grand Strategy" was not invented by me, instead, He Qinglian's post explained it's origin very well. Arilang talk 06:21, 25 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- It's not an actual "strategy", as you've implied. Your inference that it is, counts as "original research". Using non-English sources as a "confirmation" of your original research is a verify the source, which never makes the implication that the funding is a concerted strategy separate from their normal funding.--JeremyMiller (talk) 07:31, 25 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- dirty trick it is not, as we all know communist propaganda is both "dirty" and secretive, and "Testimony of Associate-Professor Anne-Marie Brady" is not what you call a "non-English source". Maybe user Jeremy has not read Professor Anne-Marie Brady's report yet? Arilang talk 08:22, 25 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- "we all know communist propaganda is both "dirty" and secretive" This is what we call "making a point." We already have an article on the subject at Propaganda in the People's Republic of China.
- "we all know communist propaganda is both "dirty" and secretive" This is what we call "making a point." We already have an article on the subject at
Administrator note Does anyone care to comment to Delete or Keep this article? Nakon 08:24, 25 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, discuss and possibly merge content elsewhere. I do not see any English language source that tells precisely this: "Grand External Propaganda Strategy". This should be discussed at article talk page and decided by consensus. ]
- Merge. I would not oppose a merge into Propaganda in the People's Republic of China. This should not be a separate article. I agree with Biophys, there is no English source that talks about precisely a "Grand External Propaganda Strategy", which is my problem with this article.--JeremyMiller (talk) 09:15, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, discuss and possibly merge This "propaganda war" is real, take Chinese oversea media for example, including Taiwan, and South East Asia, nearly all the Chinese media is pro-Beijing. Epochtimes.com would be the one and only media that is "opposition" to the Beijing government. This is a sad and unique situation. Even during Qing Dynasty era, independent newspapers were allowed. Arilang talk 22:46, 25 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- This has nothing to do with ]
- Delete (merge as needed and then redirect) - as disruptive POV content fork. The discussion about this needs to be kept in one place - the article talk page - until a consensus is reached. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 11:32, 29 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. PhilKnight (talk) 19:13, 30 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
MHG Systems
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Fails Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies). The company has not been the subject of significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources. There is no significant coverage beyond routine announcements, press releases, self-published materials and the like. Delete. Edcolins (talk) 17:08, 5 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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- The secondary sources that the article references are reliable and respected organizations, such as Canadian Bioenergy Association, ABREF(African Biofuel & Renewable Energy Fund), Erasmus Entrepreneurs(European Union Project), Waste-to-Energy Research and Technology Concil(European Union sponsored organization), Finnish Bioenergy association etc. This sources provide significant and independent coverage of this green ICT company.Keep Rpisarenko (talk) 07:28, 7 January 2011 (UTC) — Rpisarenko (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
- I had a look at the references provided, and I am still not convinced that they are sufficient for showing that the company is notable under WP:PSTS). In particular:
- This document [15] on the Canadian Bioenergy Association web site [16] is self-published, i.e. not independent from the subject.
- This press release [17] on the African Biofuel and Renewable Energy Fund (ABREF) web site [18] is also self-published. It also appears that this organisation or fund is not independent from MHG Systems (see [19]: "Partnership with MGH Systems").
- This page [20] (Erasmus for Young Entrepreneurs) primarily relates to a EU sponsored exchange, not to the company itself.
- This page [21] on the Waste-to-Energy Research and Technology Council (WtERT) web site is closer to what it is needed as evidence for notability, but this is only a single source, the depth of coverage is not substantial, and the media audience is rather limited.
- This press release [22] (Finnish Bioenergy association) is also self-published.
- Thus, in my opinion, the company fails ]
- I had a look at the references provided, and I am still not convinced that they are sufficient for showing that the company is notable under
Dear Edcolins. I would disagree with you about "self published" nature of the references, as in none of the links you mentioned, there is an opportunity to self publish an article. At least we have agreed that one page counts as a notable source:
- This page [23] on the Waste-to-Energy Research and Technology Council (WtERT).
Abref - an organization that unfortunately don't have a separate wikipedia page, is an fund, developed by African countries that are trying to solve the energy problems in the black continent. This is a first initiative of such level when African countries them-self form a fund to build their own future economy, instead of getting funds from EU countries. I think this kind of organization could be also displayed in the wikipedia, as many others, but I just see a strange attitude from the respected members - you nominate the article for deletion two weeks after it was published, without letting it to develop, or become of higher quality. In this situation, I will really think twice before adding anything to the wikipedia again! So, do you really see this information as self published? Isn't the fund covering several African countries not a reliable/notable source?
I would totally disagree with you about the self published nature of report in Canadian Bioenergy Association! This organization is a powerful and non profit organization that promotes the Clean energy and supports efforts to reduce CO2 emissions in Canada. Canada is the 3rd largest country in the world in terms of total forest area, and this organization does has some influence worldwide. They are not an article publishing service, but an organization that is trying to make this world better by promotion of green technologies.
This page [27] (Erasmus for Young Entrepreneurs) The article covers both topics, the exchange program and the company. The company is well described there, that's why I added it as a reference. This is a respected international organization, funded by a EU.
I would continue. Doesn't Finnish Bioenergy association also count as a respected source? I think,that it would be wise to invite someone, who is familiar with bioenergy to this discussion, so we could hear his opinion about notability of sources. Bioenergy is a young industry, but it is growing quickly, addressing such problems as CO2 emissions, development and employment in rural areas etc. This is a highly neutral and non-advertising article about a company that is operating in this socially responsible area. I do think that wikipedia users should promote such ideas, with any means they have. I think, with all the regulations that are pointed out, the main purpose of wikipedia is forgotten .
“ | Indeed, the purpose of an encyclopedia is to collect knowledge disseminated around the globe; to set forth its general system to the men with whom we live, and transmit it to those who will come after us, so that the work of preceding centuries will not become useless to the centuries to come; and so that our offspring, becoming better instructed, will at the same time become more virtuous and happy, and that we should not die without having rendered a service to the human race.—Diderot[2] | ” |
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- Delete: sources cited in article appear to be mainly (solely?) commercial/promotional and thus less than reliable sources. Hits on Google News seem likewise promotional. Topic does not appear to meet ]
- Keep: the article has one of the best referencing record among articles dedicated to new users. [reply]
- I have examined Wikipedia:DE and find no references there to "rambling", "poorly-formatted discourses", or "extraneous section breaks". FYI, Unscintillating (talk)
- I have examined
- vote=Administrative dismissal of nomination (functionally a "keep")
- MHG Systems is listed by Bloomberg BusinessWeek.
- The first paragraph of this CBM page appears to be a secondary-source description of MHG Systems.
The CBM About Us page states, "Canadian Biomass magazine is an Annex Publishing & Printing Inc. publication." This Bloomberg Businessweek report shows that Annex Publishing & Printing Inc. is in Ontario, Canada. Therefore I have reason to believe that CBM is an independent third-party fact-checking source.
- The Penza Oblast in Volga, Russia has 1.3 million people. A government press release here, shows that the Governor of the Oblast met with MHG Systems.
- The Mikkeli University Consortium, who are presumably independent educators, lists MHG Systems here.
- When the initial author created this article on December 29, he included a note on the Talk page asking for help with neutrality, and there is no current reason to doubt the sincerity of this request. See also WP:BITE.
- I vote for an administrative dismissal rather than a keep or delete decision. I don't think I can make a good Keep/Delete decision at this time, but I also think it is wrong to delete this article before it is possible to make a good decision. I think work should proceed, including adding Citation-needed templates, knowing that this article could come back to AfD. Thank you, Unscintillating (talk) 10:02, 15 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for your note. Let me reply. You write "When the initial author created this article on December 29, he included a note on the Talk page asking for help with neutrality".. Right, but neutrality has nothing to do with notability. The December 29 note is fine, but it doesn't bear any weight on the current debate. I have no doubt that the article can be written from a neutral point of view, but I don't think the company is notable enough and I don't think this can be currently cured (I am not excluding that the company may become notable in the future, of course).
- You listed four references:
- The first one (Bloomberg) is an entry in a business directory. You can most probably pay to get your firm listed in there.
- The second one (Canadian Biomass) is a press release which does not seem to be independent from the subject. Anyone can submit press releases for free there, see [28].
- The third and fourth ones only contain passing references to the company, and do not amount to substantial coverage necessary to establish notability.
- Non-notable company IMHO, still. --Edcolins (talk) 12:00, 15 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Dear Edcolins, may be some of the links that article is based on are not notable enough, but, from my point of view the company itself is notable enough to have an independent article in Wikipedia.
- As far as I understand, we have both agreed that [29] on the Waste-to-Energy Research and Technology Council (WtERT) is notable enough, especially considering the Audience of its readers(Renewable energy experts).
- Please also review Finnvera article, that is a PDF in Finnish language [30]. In general, if you search google.fi "mhg systems veraventure", you will find a lot of local coverage.
- MHG Systems in Mikkeli local newspaper [31]
- Information published in Mikkeli University of applied sciences web site [32]
- I could go on, posting the links about MHG Systems that are not used in the wikipedia page. I am certain that there is enough regional and international coverage for company to be notable under WP:CORP, there are enough independent links for the article to be improved. Please use Google.fito research more information about the company in Finnish language. Please keep in mind all the other Russian, Chinese, Canadian, EU links - I think all together they indeed justify the existence of MHG Systems page. Rpisarenko (talk) 15:37, 17 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Dear Edcolins, may be some of the links that article is based on are not notable enough, but, from my point of view the company itself is notable enough to have an independent article in Wikipedia.
- Continuation_of_discussionBackLink: [discussion continues at [Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/MHG Systems#Continuation_of_discussion]] [inserted by Unscintillating (talk) 05:07, 26 January 2011 (UTC)}[reply]
- I am afraid we have not both agreed that this link would be sufficient to establish notably. That's not what I wrote and it appears that you have misunderstood my point. IMHO, the depth of coverage is not substantial and the media audience is rather limited. --Edcolins (talk) 20:20, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- I think that there has been misunderstanding in that you have used the words "self-published" and identified them with a non-policy definition, and not followed up with clarification. Regarding my own comments, your points stand refuted by the force of reason with no response. This then puzzles me the hint in your last post that there is still a question about overall notability. Perhaps you can provide an operational definition for "limited media audience", but what about a one-page ad paid for in part by the ]
- I am afraid we have not both agreed that this link would be sufficient to establish notably. That's not what I wrote and it appears that you have misunderstood my point. IMHO, the depth of coverage is not substantial and the media audience is rather limited. --Edcolins (talk) 20:20, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Edcolins, I'm new to these debates, can you explain why Hrafn objected to people posting on this page, but you have never responded to my comments on the discussion page? Unscintillating (talk) 06:02, 25 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. In my opinion, ]
- Yes, and the Wikipedia article was rapidly discovered in three blogs:
- http://nextworldtek.blogspot.com/ posted 12:53 on December 29
- http://nexttek.wordpress.com/ posted 13:28 on December 29
- http://mhgsystems.blogspot.com/2010/12/internet-links-of-mhg-systems.html posted 14:11 on December 29
- Nonetheless, in a discussion of WP:Notability, these are [ad hominem] points and carry no weight.
- rpisarenko earlier provided in the MHG Systems article a reference to a Bachelor's thesis written by Ruslan Pisarenko published by Mikkeli University of Applied Sciences. The url is http://publications.theseus.fi/handle/10024/15811, click on "In English" to proceed. In my opinion the Introduction of this thesis is the work of someone that Wikipedia wants to encourage to be an editor here. Unscintillating (talk) 00:32, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- You are right, that an author may have a conflict of interest is immaterial to the topic notability. Likewise, that the author of the thesis you mentioned is someone that you want "to encourage to be an editor here" is also immaterial for assessing whether to keep the article. I assume that you are not suggesting that we should keep the article only to encourage the author to be an editor on Wikipedia. That would look like an inverse ad hominem argument.
- Anyway, let's try to reach a consensus and be WP:NICE to each other. Am I oversimplifying your position when writing that you consider this reference (canadianbiomassmagazine.ca)to be sufficient to establish notability? Otherwise, could you summarize your position please? This may also help others to join the discussion. Thanks.
- IMO, if not "purely self-published", the press release (canadianbiomassmagazine.ca) largely amounts to a self-published source as it has been only slightly modified by the magazine's editors. The press release is not independent from the subject because its publication has been triggered by the subject. Without the company asking for its publication, the press release wouldn't have been published. In that sense, the company is not a topic which has been noticed by independent sources ("Wikipedia covers notable topics—those that have been "noticed" to a significant degree by independent sources." See Wikipedia:Notability "This page in a nutshell:") --Edcolins (talk) 22:06, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Edcolins, what I have said about the canadianbiomass news report is on the discussion page at [Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/MHG Systems#Canadian Biomass is independent national media for the biomass industry]. I don't find it surprising that a press release would be used to write a news article. I don't have much to add to the position that I have already stated. Do you still reject Bloomberg Businessweek as authoritative? Where does this Bloomberg report fit within Notability policy? I think you are trying to improve the encyclopedia with the tools that you have. Unscintillating (talk) 05:07, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Anyway, let's try to reach a consensus and be
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- Delete. I'm afraid that I do not see enough significant coverage in sources independent of the subject to show notability. talk) 15:56, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Quantpole, how do you explain the two "strong indications of notability" that I have documented under policy? If this company is not notable, how is it that they have been noticed by multiple agencies of the State of Finland, an agency of the European Union, a fund of the fifteen-nation ECOWAS headquartered in Togo, and a marketing firm in London sponsored by the United Nations to promote a conference that had the attention of President Obama? Now, I'm not saying that 1.8 million ads in the Global Wall Street Journal sent to world business leaders make a company notable, what I'm looking at is the fact that they were noticed by the marketing firm. Would you think that this was a highly political decision to promote a non-notable green company? Unscintillating (talk) 06:02, 25 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Because mountains of paperwork is the lifeblood of any bureaucracy. It is an obvious corollary that much of the contents of said mountains is trivial detail. And PR firms are infamous for promoting photogenic trivia at the expense of substance. If we believed PR firms then we'd believe that the Spice Girls or the Beckhams are more important than the British government. HrafnTalkStalk(P) :::*07:46, 25 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Hrafn, you make good points about bureaucratic excess, and PR agency biases. The decision by the [ABREF] fund to post a private company's press release I don't think is explained as the trivial detail of a 15-nation bureaucracy. I have also looked at [reusable.pdf]. MHG seems to have been included to represent the hope in the world of leading-edge technology to provide renewable energy, not to promote MHG. I'm thinking that for a controversial conference, a PR bias would be that MHG be "non-controversial", rather than "non-notable". Without trying to cite policy, I'd say that having been selected for this bit-part on a world-wide stage is a strong indication of notability. How do you analyze the two "strong indications of notability" under policy that I have documented? Unscintillating (talk) 05:07, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Unscintillating: I have no idea what you mean by your purported "two 'strong indications of notability' under policy" -- but given the excessive number and excessive verbosity (starting with "Administrative dismissal of nomination"=WP:TLDNR would appear to apply -- you have really written too much on this AfD to have any reasonable expectation that it will all be read (let alone that any single part of it will be identifiable from your less-than-descriptive description). HrafnTalkStalk(P) 12:13, 29 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Hrafn, search for "strong indication of notability" on the Discussion page. Unscintillating (talk) 21:02, 29 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- This previous post provides support for the position that this AfD should be closed without a decision. The post does not interpret the multiple "strong indications of notability" that the administrators must consider, and leaves work to the administrators that could have been partially done. Unscintillating (talk) 21:02, 29 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- It appears that Unscintillating-the-Longwinded is referring to WT:Articles for deletion/MHG Systems#My "note" (so why didn't (s)he just say so in the first place?) -- which is neither a "strong indication of notability" nor based upon "policy" (or guidelines). (i) The Bloomberg entry is not "significant coverage" -- it is a single paragraph. (ii) As Edcolins points out, there is good reason to suspect that it may not be "independent of the subject" (as it may be a paid listing, and may even have been drafted by the company itself). (iii) The claim "Just because the only relevant company content is the name of the company does not make this citation less than substantial and notable" is directly contradicted both by WP:Notability's definition of "significant coverage" and by common sense. The signal to noise ratio on these claims is sufficiently low that they make no difference to my previously expressed opinions. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 07:05, 30 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Unscintillating: I have no idea what you mean by your purported "two 'strong indications of notability' under policy" -- but given the excessive number and excessive verbosity (starting with "Administrative dismissal of nomination"=
- Delete - The topic has not received sufficient coverage in wp:gng, but a review and the above analysis by several editors above has revealed the effort for what it is. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 11:49, 29 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete.
]Military of Serbia International Partners
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Non-notable, contents are merely press releases of no significance in the encyclopedic sense. Buttons (talk) 22:39, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete. Much of the content is non-notable, what is encyclopediac and noteworthy can be merged to Serbian Armed Forces. - The Bushranger One ping only 00:53, 15 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge and redirect to Serbian Armed Forces. Give it time and I will deal with it, but then if necessary the redirect can be sent to RfD. Buckshot06 (talk) 03:54, 15 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom, nothing useful here. Col Radec (talk) 06:19, 15 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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TiddlyWiki
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Non notable management software. No reliable sources provided, none found besides download links and promo material. TNXMan 16:26, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep: Voted as one of the top 100 tools for 2007 and 2008 by the Centre for Learning & Performance Technologies (link). Article needs to be improved, not deleted. Greenman (talk) 03:16, 14 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: Without prejudice to the discussion, what about this vote confers notability on the subject, and what makes this center a reliable authority? Ravenswing 17:15, 14 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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- Keep: I agree the article should be improved, rather than deleted. Since this Delete notice has been posted in the Google Group where the TiddlyWiki community is relatively active, I expect various members of that community may contribute improvements to this wikipedia TiddlyWiki page. User:HansWobbe 02:43, 19 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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- Keep: I'm a contributor to the TiddlyWiki core, and have been involved with a number of projects using TiddlyWiki including TiddlySpace, working for Osmosoft, a small team of Open Source developers at BT. The TiddlyWiki code is being actively maintained, which can be seen from trac.tiddlywiki.org and is in the process of being moved to github.com. The discussion list still receives in the order of 300-900 messages each month, but quantifying actual use of TiddlyWiki is difficult due to its distributed nature and common use for personal notes and as a guerilla wiki. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Psd (talk • contribs) 11:24, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete Mandsford 03:07, 28 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Will Perry (Broadcaster)
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I initially prod'd this but figure a more in-depth investigation is in order to ascertain if this individual is notable. The article claims he is a journalist for the BBC, however I've just run a search on the BBC website and the only William Perry that comes up is someone who has worked in the past on diplomatic relations between Washington and Korea. The only firm evidence I can find from a more widespread search is blogs, nothing concrete. roleplayer 16:14, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete I've done several searches and all I can find is two showreels and a mention on a sports forum of some work he did as a sports broadcaster. Of course, searches for "Will Perry" are a bit tricky because you end up with every instance of someone writing "Will Perry do blah?". But non-notable from my searches in any event. - ManicSpider (talk) 00:50, 14 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 06:13, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Peter M Adamson
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Some non-notable guy, tried to speedy it. Possibly self-bio (it appears to have been written by a single-purpose account, at least). Miracle Pen (talk) 14:53, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete sources aren't very convincing.--Paul McDonald (talk) 15:02, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Not notable even if all claims are true. EEng (talk) 16:40, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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- Keep - To suggest that Peter M Adamson is a non notable guy is an opinion not a fact. I can verify that all claims are correct and suggest that anyone who organises a Festival for special needs children involving over 100 children and 14 schools at a major regional theatre is a notable achievement in itself. Furthermore Adamson's compositions are performed regularly in schools and Folk clubs and while the article doesn't state the fact I can also verify that Peter M Adamson is a member of the Performing Right Society, which requires certain criteria to be accepted as a composer. Wikipedia is about information not about famous people. Adamson is a hard working living composer who gets on with his work of promoting Autism awareness and composing along with charity work. His work could easily qualify for a Birthday Honours List nomination but an OBE wouldn't actually make any difference to what he has actually achieved.While Wikipedia should not be used to merely promote bands etc, I find the arguments for deletion to be based on opinion not fact and considering that the entry has been in existance for some considerable time I find it slightly strange that 3 opinions come in within a short timespan.Furthermore, composers often go unnoticed because their work appears often in the background but still significant in it's own way. I can understand Paul McDonald's mission to stamp out rock bands who use wikipedia to promote themselves but to suggest deletion of a working English teacher / composer a little out of order.(Supporter) — Preceding unsigned comment added by McFlysoldestfan (talk • contribs) 22:28, January 19, 2011
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- Comment Thanks for the vital facts Peter. I can assure you that your self-bio will be subjected to only the most rigorous standards of the AFD process. Miracle Pen (talk) 09:17, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- The multiple opinions have come in a short period because that's what happens -- the article is nominated and people give their opinions. That the article (of which you are the original and sole author) has been around so long and still has no outside sources confirming notability militates further for, not against, deletion -- if you, who claim to be so close to the subject, can't add appropriate sources there's little motivation for others to spend their time trying. Your comments show quiite obviously: (a) that you don't know how Wikipedia works; (b) that, specificially, you don't understand the concept of notability (which, contrary to what you say, is much closer to being about "famous people" than about "information"); and (c) that after two years you still can't be bothered to find out. I won't go so far as to assert that you yourself are the subject of the article, but it doesn't matter. EEng (talk) 23:13, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete not notable and seems to be self-bio as mention previously. 86.45.81.47 (talk) 01:09, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete Mandsford 03:06, 28 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Latif Maulan
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Does not appear to meet criteria of notability. Only information found appears to be promotional Wkharrisjr (talk) 13:44, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete per nominator. There's just one non-trivial source about him that I could find, from four years ago [33]. The rest, whether in English or Malay, are just trivial mentions like [34][35][36]. cab (call) 00:06, 14 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete Mandsford 03:05, 28 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Colin Teo
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This article has been an unsourced BLP since its creation four years ago on 12 January 2007. A Google News Archive search returns no nontrivial coverage in independent
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- Delete - Does not pass WP:Verifiability. Kugao (talk) 18:34, 15 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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The Firestone Direct Sugar Shack
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fails WP:GNG. 2 gnews hits [37], for a TV show that has existed for over 4 years says it's hardly watched or notable. LibStar (talk) 06:59, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete Non-notable, almost trivial. DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 03:11, 14 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 18:26, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Michael Oren Fitzgerald
Contested prod. Plagarism and vanity.
- Delete as nom. Largely plagarized from this web page, the disinterested and neutral </irony> opinions of his publisher; t this edit has converted some of this into close paraphrase; but is that enough? Septentrionalis PMAnderson 02:52, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- My attention was drawn to this by a move request; it may be moved in the middle of this AfD. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 02:57, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- More investigation is required, but upon first glance some of the sourcing seems exceedingly suspect. One source is a page on "bloomingtonwiki". The source was cited by Stephenbloomington (talk · contribs) in this edit dated 2011-01-06, some four hours before an account of the same name added the information to the article on the other wiki whose article was cited supposedly in support of the editing here. This self-serving sourcing is a canonical example of why we usually don't treat wikis as reliable sources. Uncle G (talk) 13:20, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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- 'Keep'Multiple sources of information are referenced throughout the article. Even if you discount the reliability of Fitzgerald's publisher as a source, it is one of many that are posted throughout the article. According to Wikipedia's own guidelines on precedent and notablity standards, peer reviewed journals are considered reliable sources of information, see notation 3 to Sacred Web. Also, the benchmark for notablity for authors is to be independently reviewed and to win awards for their works. Reviews for Fitzgerald's work from Publishers Weekly and Library Journal are both included in the article, as well as a listings and references for over 15 awards that he has won.Stephenbloomington (talk) 04:30, 15 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- This guy is probably notable per WP:N, but the current article is anything but neutral and is more a holography (see WP:NPOV). This article probably needs to be reduced to a stub if it can't be repaired. Hobit (talk) 07:42, 15 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you for your observations and recommendations. I have deleted material, done additional research and added a more of independent documentation.Stephenbloomington (talk) 14:00, 17 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak Keep. It appears that he does meet the standards of WP:BK. However, the article as it currently stands is a complete mess, focusing on mind-numbing trivialities. I agree that it should be pruned down to a shrub of a stub. Qworty (talk) 19:49, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Note. The move request resulted in the page not being moved. The closing admin may want to consider the need to a dab page at Michael Fitzgerald if this article is kept. Vegaswikian (talk) 23:03, 19 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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- Information has been thoroughly re-edited since original application for deletion has been posted. Much of the superfluous information has been removed, or whittled down to the essential. Allegations of plagiarism would definitely not longer be applicable. Stephenbloomington (talk) 13:34, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Page meets notability standards and has been sufficiently re-edited to answer objections from PMAnderson and Uncle G. (Temp07) —Preceding undated comment added 05:07, 25 January 2011 (UTC).[reply]
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The result was delete. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 18:21, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Thurston/Mason Regional Support Network
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Completely unreferenced, no evidence of notability at all Planetscared (talk) 02:49, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Article Thurston/Mason_Regional_Support_Network.Planetscared (talk) 02:55, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete Article does not even claim notability, much less demonstrate it. Trivial mentions found at Google News [38]. --MelanieN (talk) 16:19, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete No news coverage beyond one local paper.Novangelis (talk) 16:33, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete no substantial coverage to meet WP:ORG. LibStar (talk) 12:32, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete Mandsford 03:02, 28 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Filip Nikolic (Artist)
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Fails
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The result was keep. -- Cirt (talk) 02:39, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Hotel St. Pierre
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Non-notable hotel / building(s). This was orginally deleted (twice) via copyvio. The copyvio issue has been cleared via OTRS, but the article is essentially unreferenced (only reference is to the jazz club). Only claim of significance is National Register of Historic Places, but NPS.gov search returns nothing. NPS email reply confirms that the building is only included in National Register because of its physical location within a historic area. Zero secondary coverage to establish notability. 7 00:17, 6 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep I can find coverage of the hotel in older newspapers [39] and a few books: [40], [41] and [42]. Let's give this one a chance to be saved. Regent of the Seatopians (talk) 00:41, 6 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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- Comment - if kept, it will have to be renamed as there is more than one "Hotel St Pierre". As St. is short fort "saint", you can find more of them.--137.122.49.102 (talk) 16:40, 6 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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- Keep, but only because of Regent's findings: nothing else is appearing that I can find. It's a contributing property to the National Register-listed Vieux Carre Historic District, but neither the form used to nominate the district to the Register nor the form used to nominate the district for National Historic Landmark status say anything about this hotel. Nyttend (talk) 07:49, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:12, 28 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The Dead Guy
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Play that makes no assertions of notability. Richfife (talk) 07:11, 6 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep 'The Dead Guy' has received critical reception, see the G-News archives search result (most of the content is hidden behind a pay-wall). The play was premiered in Europe and in the USA and in my opinion it meets our notability criteria. --]
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- Keep but rewrite The article as it stands does not indicate notability - makes it sound like it was only produced at one non-notable Denver theater - but the research provided by Vejvancicky indicates it has been widely produced. That information and references need to be added to the article to make it a keeper. --MelanieN (talk) 19:33, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 02:39, 22 January 2011 (UTC) ===AZBox HD===WHY DELETE?[reply]
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- Keep, maybe? I quickly found a number of 3rd party reviews and articles for this product, like this one, this one, and this one (same site as the last). Given that the product is from Portugal and sold primarily there and Brazil, I suspect that even this much english coverage would be an argument for N. Maury Markowitz (talk) 22:08, 6 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete per nom as spam. Not worthy enough for its own article. --みんな空の下 (トーク | I wanna chAngE!) 07:21, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to Transformers: Energon. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 08:01, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Treadbolt
This is an obvious candidate for deletion it has poor sources to justify notability. Dwanyewest (talk) 17:49, 23 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 00:40, 28 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Derwin Lamar Montgomery
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As a local city council representative who has received only minimal local coverage, the subject of this article does not appear to meet
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- Delete clearly fails WP:POLITICIAN since he is merely a city councillor. I am not quite sure why it is on the Christianity list (which is what brought me here. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:40, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. The consensus is to delete this article. However, I'm going to move it to the
- Incubated at Wikipedia:Article incubator/Bloginity. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:23, 28 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Bloginity
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This was tagged as being csd-able on spam grounds, but I have reservation about deleting it for the fourth time on what have up till now been csd grounds. I feel the article will do better here, if it survives death row then it can be rewritten to address the problems. More importantly, an afd as opposed to a csd will help better gauge the community's sense on whether this should be here on Wikipedia. TomStar81 (Talk) 05:41, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete The article is essentially written as promotional, though in my opinion the present version is not quite spammy enough for speedy deletion. However, there is no evidence of notability. There are thirteen references given in the article at present, but every one of them falls under one or more of the following headings: a page that doesn't even mention Bloginity, a page on the Bloginity website or otherwise published by Bloginity, a page that contains links to reports by Bloginity, but no coverage about Bloginity, a promotional site, an unreliable source (e.g IMDB). My own sources have also failed to produce suitable sources: only bloginity.com, twitter, facebook, wordpress showcase, etc. talk) 09:30, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for your reply JamesBWatson, your feedback is highly appreciated. There is an interview at this website with the founders of the website, where it is compared to rivaling CNN's showbiz website[*link typed out to avoiud spam filer: www.filmindustrynetwork.biz/how-bloginity-networks-is-becoming-an-online-entertainment-leader/5089] (Knox387 (talk) 15:34, 20 January 2011 (UTC)).[reply]
- Delete for the same reasons JamesBWatson stated - I couldn't find any significant coverage of the site out there when I nominated it under CSD (it's already been deleted three times now), and the article creator's recent contributions have been nothing but creating articles promoting the site and the site creator ]
- Hi TheRealFennShysa, thanks for your opinion. I responded to your speedy deletion tag several days ago on your Talk page and waited for your reply but did not receive one. The reason my contribution has been only towards this article and a few others is because this is the first page I have created. I am seeking feedback and help from editors like you and JamesBWatson to improve the article. In reference to the article being deleted several times from Wikipedia: in August 2010, the article sounded a bit promotional and was lacking information about the venture. The current page is 100% non-promotional and is there to only provide objective information to users who are interested in learning about the foundation of Bloginity. There has been a great buzz about the company from the reference links which I have included, in addition to television buzz from NBC who acknowledged the website as an online magazine and has interviewed the staff for a story about Bret Michaels[43](Knox387 (talk) 15:34, 20 January 2011 (UTC)).[reply]
- This link (not from NBC, but from a local affiliate - big difference) only mentions the website in passing - it's not a story *about* the website. As to your comment about the article being 100% non-promotional, I guess I'd have to question your math. ]
- Thanks for the response TheRealFennShysa, AZCentral is a source. I would like to apologize in advance but I believe you are very ignorant at this time and do not want this page to exist, you also deleted the entire content several days ago even though it had the hang on tag and a full discussion with another Wikipedia member. The Bloginity page is 100% non-promotional and contains no advertising I just wish you would acknowledge that and help me make the page better so I can learn how to contribute properly to Wikipedia. Thanks in advance, looking forward to your reply (Knox387 (talk) 16:55, 20 January 2011 (UTC)).[reply]
- AZCentral makes no mention of Bloginity at the link provided, only links to a local news story that mentions the website in passing - this is a trivial mention, at best; certainly not significant coverage of the website itself. As to your claim that I "deleted the entire content", this is false - I only nominated it under the ]
- Thanks for the response TheRealFennShysa, AZCentral is a source. I would like to apologize in advance but I believe you are very ignorant at this time and do not want this page to exist, you also deleted the entire content several days ago even though it had the hang on tag and a full discussion with another Wikipedia member. The Bloginity page is 100% non-promotional and contains no advertising I just wish you would acknowledge that and help me make the page better so I can learn how to contribute properly to Wikipedia. Thanks in advance, looking forward to your reply (Knox387 (talk) 16:55, 20 January 2011 (UTC)).[reply]
- This link (not from NBC, but from a local affiliate - big difference) only mentions the website in passing - it's not a story *about* the website. As to your comment about the article being 100% non-promotional, I guess I'd have to question your math. ]
- Hi TheRealFennShysa, thanks for your opinion. I responded to your speedy deletion tag several days ago on your Talk page and waited for your reply but did not receive one. The reason my contribution has been only towards this article and a few others is because this is the first page I have created. I am seeking feedback and help from editors like you and JamesBWatson to improve the article. In reference to the article being deleted several times from Wikipedia: in August 2010, the article sounded a bit promotional and was lacking information about the venture. The current page is 100% non-promotional and is there to only provide objective information to users who are interested in learning about the foundation of Bloginity. There has been a great buzz about the company from the reference links which I have included, in addition to television buzz from NBC who acknowledged the website as an online magazine and has interviewed the staff for a story about Bret Michaels[43](Knox387 (talk) 15:34, 20 January 2011 (UTC)).[reply]
- My apologies TheRealFennShysa, I did not mean to cause any trouble and I believe you when you say it was not you who deleted the page content, which I apologize for as well for suspecting. That was very unprofessional of me I hope you understand my frustration. (Knox387 (talk) 18:40, 20 January 2011 (UTC)).[reply]
- Hi TheRealFennShysa, how are you? I changed the construction of the Wikipedia page at Bloginity and added several more sources. I was hoping to get your feedback on how it's looking. Once again, I apologize for the trouble earlier.
- My apologies TheRealFennShysa, I did not mean to cause any trouble and I believe you when you say it was not you who deleted the page content, which I apologize for as well for suspecting. That was very unprofessional of me I hope you understand my frustration. (Knox387 (talk) 18:40, 20 January 2011 (UTC)).[reply]
- Delete I have failed to find significant coverage of the company or website from ]
- Thanks Juju, I guess I must take it as a good experience and learn. Hopefully I can consult with you all on my upcoming pages. I'm going to research deleted pages and read more comments around. Cheers Real, Juju, & James! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Knox387 (talk • contribs) 17:45, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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UncertainI was asked to come here by User:71.190.254.239. The article is pretty bare-bones, and not promotional, but I am not at all sure about notability. Being listed on Wordpress Showcase is a little less impressive when one looks at the News category & finds also such publications as The Garfield Messenger, the "student-run newspaper at Garfield High School in Seattle, Washington." & The MIT Libraries News. To be sure, some of the entries there are from major news publications. The reason given for inclusion is "The site’s developers constantly tweak colors, positions, fonts, and other things to optimize bounce rates and LTV (life tame value) of users" I'd like to see what this article looks like with the citations of where it is used limited to the regular significant ones. DGG ( talk ) 04:33, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Hi DGG, Thanks for commenting. I have combined a few sections, and added a new 'Recognition' section as well as a new 'Research' section. In your free time I would appreciate a feedback.(Knox387 (talk) 21:03, 21 January 2011 (UTC)).[reply]
- Hi DGG, Bloginity has been named one of the Web's Best Entertainment Spots according to AllMyFaves [4]
- Comment I was also asked to come here by the same user, who is asking everyone in Wikipedia:WikiProject Magazines to help. On reading the article, I'm uncertain about whether it is about the company (per the intro/infobox), website or "online magazine" (per much of the content), so the question is whether the company, the web site or the "online magazine" (we really ought to find a better term or category for these online blog aggregators) is actually notable. As a company of only 15 employees, it probably isn't. As a website or online magazine, it may be if any editor can demonstrate its influence or as a significant reference to other sites, which the article tries to do. So I might have voted "weak keep" but I haven't investigated the references as thoroughly as any of the above. Stephenb (Talk) 09:00, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Hi Stephenb, thank you very much for the feedback. I have edited the page as well to add additional sources. I would appreciate your feedback at this time. Kind regards, (Knox387 (talk) 22:05, 21 January 2011 (UTC)).[reply]
- Hi Stephenb, Bloginity has been named one of the Web's Best Entertainment Spots according to AllMyFaves [5]
- Hi Stephenb, thank you very much for the feedback. I have edited the page as well to add additional sources. I would appreciate your feedback at this time. Kind regards, (Knox387 (talk) 22:05, 21 January 2011 (UTC)).[reply]
- Further procrastinate and relist The article creator is an obvious noob, but now that he's gathered some basic how-to's, I can see that a recognizable effort is being made to improve the article. I would give this some more time and then relist as a brand new AfD. Hearfourmewesique (talk) 18:24, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Sounds like a reasonable argument to ]
- Keep based on the improvements to the article and the additional references. (changed from uncertain, above.) Wikipedia is a product of the last generation, which has been educated in the tradition that the sort of things we usually count here as "reliable sources" were the principal form of communication. They still are for some things, but not all. How we will recognize what is reliable in the current spectrum of media is an unsolved problem, not just for us, but for the rest of the world also. The rest of the world seems to be moving towards a view that Wikipedia is the practical sufficiently reliable source, which unfortunately does not help our own problem. DGG ( talk ) 18:58, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- That is an argument for changing Wikipedia's notability standards, but is also an implicit recognition that by the present guidelines the article does not qualify. This is not the place to discuss at length the possibility of changing the notability guidelines, but whether a source is reliable is quite independent of the point of view of a generation: a source which anyone can freely edit is not reliable, whichever way you look at it. We do not accept unreliable sources not because we do not think they are not "the principal form of communication" but because we can't rely on them. talk) 09:15, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- to clarify, that was not my argument. My argument was that it meeds the current standards, based on the additional references provided. I then commented that if we were more realistic it would all the more easily meet them, & wouldn't even have been questioned. When I argue a keep against current guidelines, I will explicitly cite WP:IAR which allows us to make exceptions, and not only the general policy about guidelines but the specific guidelines for notability recognize this. Quite a few articles get kept here on the basis of common sense, and quite a few get deleted likewise. Essentially, that's why we have the discussions DGG ( talk ) 01:13, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- That is an argument for changing Wikipedia's notability standards, but is also an implicit recognition that by the present guidelines the article does not qualify. This is not the place to discuss at length the possibility of changing the notability guidelines, but whether a source is reliable is quite independent of the point of view of a generation: a source which anyone can freely edit is not reliable, whichever way you look at it. We do not accept unreliable sources not because we do not think they are not "the principal form of communication" but because we can't rely on them.
- Delete per JamesBWatson and Jujutacular. None of the references qualify as reliable sources. I searched a bit on my own, but the only substantial coverage I could locate was the filmindustrynetwork.biz link discussed above. Though I'd rather new editors invest enthusiasm and learning in articles which meet inclusion guidelines, if the topic is truly on its way to notability (per Knox387's talk page comment about Smashingmagazine.com, which might be a RS), userfy. --Pnm (talk) 23:36, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was merge to ]
Titus Groan (character)
I don't think this character has enough real world significance.
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- Merge to Gormenghast series. Again--why are we here at AfD when it's clear that this is a no-brainer merge? Jclemens (talk) 18:36, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge. I get so tired of lazy nominations. Can we please have valid grounds for deletion? If the page can be improved, this should be solved through regular editing. Please. Cind.amuse 02:46, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge to ]
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The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 00:40, 28 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Joe Selenski
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I declined a PROD on this article because the prodder didn't use an edit summary. Original PROD rationale was Non-notable low-level coach who fails to meet notability requirements. Furthermore, I couldn't find anything substantial in google news. Ron Ritzman (talk) 05:01, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Selenski was the original coach of the Johnstown Chiefs, a team that made their start in the AAHL before eventually moving onto the ECHL for the next twenty-two seasons. If needed, I can add more information via old newspapers (yes, it would require much digging from the local library), but I thought providing a base would at least help. jasonstru (talk)
- Delete: There's no presumption of notability for coaches in the low minors. If Selenski can be shown to pass the GNG - and not just quotes from him in terms of routine sports coverage, but articles which discuss him in "significant detail" - that might be a different matter. Ravenswing 13:58, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete No notability here, no sources that proove it. There aren't many low-level coaches who would have articles written about them versus just containing quotes from them. I don't think this one is an exception. -DJSasso (talk) 14:02, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- I have a feeling I'm fighting a losing battle here, but why is Selenski notable? a)he helped with the foundation of the Johnstown Chiefs, and b)he was the first coach to win the Riley Cup (now Kelly Cup), awarded to the team that wins the ECHL's championship. Yes, Selenski's ACHL experience is low-minor hockey. I'm not disputing that. But his work in the AAHL (which was the predecessor to the ECHL) and his time with the Chiefs and Thunderbirds is relevant. I hope I'm not giving off the wrong tone here (fighting the flu at the moment so I'm not feeling so great), but I thought wikipedia was to help provide sourced information and not for a group to determine what is "notable" and what is not. jasonstru (talk)
- He may have been important, to his teams. I do not dispute that. However, on wikipedia, notability is based on news paper articles being done about him or books being written about him etc etc. This is where the disconnect is. He needs to meet ]
- Yep, it's a common mistake, especially among newcomers, Jasonstru, that when we say "notable" here we mean "He's important." That's not the case; we mean "Fulfills Wikipedia guideline requirements for notability." Ravenswing 19:11, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Fair enough, and thanks for not going off on the noob. Can I at least ask for more time on this? I have one book that mentions him and as mentioned above, I'd need to do some digging for official newspaper releases since we are talking about 20+ years. jasonstru (talk)
- The AfD runs seven days, Jason, so you've a few days left. You can also do what we call "userfy," in putting the article off your talk page (looking something like User:jasonstru/Joe Selenski) so that you can work on it at your own pace and repost it into articlespace when you feel you've brought it to WP:GNG standard. Ravenswing 00:59, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- The AfD runs seven days, Jason, so you've a few days left. You can also do what we call "userfy," in putting the article off your talk page (looking something like
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- Delete. Per above. Patken4 (talk) 23:52, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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- Done. Consider myself retired. Trying to fight the battle with wiki-heroes.
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The result was delete. Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:23, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Mykola Bortnikov
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No indications of
- Delete Unless the primary author of the article can provide reliable sources that indicate notability. As far as I can tell the Ukranian wikipedia doesn't have an article on this artist, if it had that might have pointed to some sources that indicate notability. But as it stands I can't find any sources.Polyamorph (talk) 14:24, 12 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete Not found in the behind paywall Art Full Text: Index of abstracts and selected full text of articles from art periodicals published throughout the world nor ARTbibliographies Index of literature on modern and contemporary art, photography and design--LittleHow (talk) 14:28, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was merge to ]
Glass Walkers
This fictional tribe doesn't appear to have real world significance. All the references are guidebooks to the game. Note a related discussion at
]- Merge - There is a similar list of tribes also up for deletion. If it survives, this article would seem to be an obviousl choice to merge into it. ]
- And if it doesn't? ]
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- Merge per Mathewignash. Fictional topic has an obvious up-merge into the race, game, or publisher--there's no good reason articulated why it should be deleted outright. Jclemens (talk) 21:16, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge to ]
- Merge for the sake of building a consensus. Shooterwalker (talk) 05:49, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 16:02, 30 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Girl Scout cookies in popular culture
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If this was a section in the Girl Scouts article, it would be deleted. Every single last reference is entirely trivial and barely relevant to the topic.
]- Delete Agree with nominator. Original synthesis list nonsense. "In popular culture" is not a euphemism for "trivial occurrences." Wickedjacob (talk) 04:50, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Put that cookie down! Now! (Delete). Unsourced, one-off mentions that mean nothing. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 05:15, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, another non-notable list of trivial one-off mentions, of which hardly any are sourced. JIP | Talk 07:25, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge to Scouting in popular culture, which could also use a trimming but is in much better shape, per original merge tag--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 10:08, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Since I'm probably the one who will merge it, please read thru the list and let me know which references are worth keeping. ]
- Redirect/Merge to ]
- Yeah, then delete that article. See my above argument. Wickedjacob (talk) 08:27, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete. Poorly sourced trivia which would appear to fail just about every relevant guideline. No need for a merge since most of the sourced content is already in the other article, and the title isn't a very plausible search term. Alzarian16 (talk) 19:06, 28 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge to Scouting in popular culture Not good enough to be it's own article Breawycker (talk) 13:04, 29 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 16:03, 30 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
BFG 9000
Closest thing to notability is placement on completely arbitrary "best weapon EVAR" lists. No out-of-universe reactions besides that. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 04:31, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Look at the news results, the thing has been constantly referenced from 1994 to the present. UGO & IGN are about as reliable as one can get when it comes to video games sources (I don't count that as a notable "award," I count it as a reliable critical reaction). Wickedjacob (talk) 04:46, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nomination. Doctorfluffy (robe and wizard hat) 05:07, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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- Keep per nom. Fictional references abound, real world references are evident--it's clear that the fictional element transcends the game from which it originated. Jclemens (talk) 18:34, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - per above comment, as well as the fact the it was heavily involved in ]
- If real world sources exist, add them. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 20:20, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Suggestion - The Doom weapons in general have a plethora of hits in Google Books and Scholar. I suggest a split-off article for Weapons in Doom, and redirect BFG 9000 there. That would be my preference. However, a separate BFG 9000 article is feasible: Example source:[44] Marasmusine (talk) 10:07, 25 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per WickedJacob. UltraExactZZ Said ~ Did 18:02, 25 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 00:39, 28 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Lexi Lowe
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BLP on porn star who fails WP:PORNBIO Fluffernutter, previously known as Chaoticfluffy (talk) 03:57, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete Sources seem to be all ]
- Delete Fails ]
- Delete. No reliable sources, no genuine indicators of notability. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 04:05, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was merge to Passaic, New Jersey. Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:29, 28 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Passaic-Clifton Orthodox Jewish Community
No claim of notability, no sources and no context. Yossiea (talk) 03:08, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete.Nosources provided, barely any content. Three weeks after being created, this article consists of a single unsourced sentence which barely goes beyond restating the title. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 03:13, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]- Redirect per Izak. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 05:39, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge and Redirect to the main Passaic, New Jersey#Passaic Park that has a bunch of stuff about this already. IZAK (talk) 06:44, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge and Redirect as per IZAK Joe407 (talk) 08:55, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge and Redirect per above.
- Merge and Redirect per IZAK. Yoninah (talk) 22:53, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete.]
- Merge and Redirect any verified information (though none is verified at the moment). There may well be sources available that touch on the subject, however, as this one.--Epeefleche (talk) 18:42, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 00:39, 28 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The Activity
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- Speedy delete - talk) 03:15, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Completely unsourced. Due to its generic name, I'm not even going to bother to look for sources; it's the responsibility of the article's supporters to find sources. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 03:16, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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- Speedy delete per WP:ONEDAY --Ezhuks (talk) 13:55, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Redirected to
]Community-Pharmacy
Article duplicates existing article
- Delete and redirect to Community Pharmacy. As mentioned by the nom, there is not enough new content here for a useful merge. VQuakr (talk) 15:46, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete just looked through it again and there is absolutely nothing of use to merge. Safiel (talk) 22:27, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was merge to Incidents on the Washington Metro. Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:30, 28 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
November 2009 Washington Metro train collision
Collision lacks notability; no fatalities or major injuries, no follow-up on investigation SNaismith (talk) 02:01, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Notability has been demonstrated through multiple reliable sources. As for investigation follow-up, NTSB investigations do take time, and as of today, a report has not yet been released. It is not uncommon for NTSB investigations to take a year and a half or more to complete. Once a report is released, there will be follow-up. So far, the NTSB has only released four photos related to this collision. SchuminWeb (Talk) 02:46, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Two Washington Post snippets don't provide notability in my mind. There have been multiple far more serious Metro train collisions that do not have their own Wikipedia articles - why does this incident deserve its own? I'm also confused as to why, with June 2009 Washington Metro train collision these articles are two of only six entries included in Category:2009 disasters in the United States. The Nov 2009 incident is not remotely notable on a national scale, and was simply an accident - FAR from a DISASTER. SNaismith —Preceding undated comment added 04:37, 20 January 2011 (UTC).[reply]
- Delete or redirect/merge to ]
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- Merge to WP:EVENT. No need to lose the content though, especially when an obvious merge target exists. Alzarian16 (talk) 18:41, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge to Incidents on the Washington Metro. Two out-of-service trains having a significant fender-bender in the yard is notable as part of a list of incidents, but not as a stand-alone article. - The Bushranger One ping only 21:38, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge to Incidents on the Washington Metro, information can easily be mentioned there. Dough4872 22:28, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge to the incidents article as suggested above. If something were to actually come out of this, then no prejudice to spinning it back off again, but right now, without any substantial coverage beyond basic news reports of the collision itself, this seems to fail ]
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The result was merge to January 2011 North American blizzard. NW (Talk) 14:16, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Georgia Blizzard of 2011
Yes, major snow events are rare in the southern US. However, Wikipedia is not Wikinews. If an article is warranted on this snow event—and has it been called a blizzard anywhere?—it will be based on the amount of coverage of significant events in the area. (Have there been roof collapses, as there were with the blizzard of 1993?) Given that the article cites no sources whatsoever, this does not warrant an article. —C.Fred (talk) 01:07, 12 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep over 2800 news entries in the last week....also "no sources" isn't a valid reason for deletion. chat 02:16, 12 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- No sources is a valid reason for deletion, in that it means the article fails the ]
- Did you see the 2800 references I linked to above? chat 02:47, 12 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Did you see the 2800 references I linked to above?
- No sources is a valid reason for deletion, in that it means the article fails the ]
- Delete Notability is not temporary. Not to mention the article is poorly written. Wickedjacob (talk) 06:00, 12 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Poorly written is not a criteria for deletion and you're not reading chat 06:39, 12 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- You sources are for "georgia snow," not for the blizzard itself. The blizzard has not emerged as a discernible notable event. The media was acting like it was at the time, but they act like everything is notable. Given the media world we live in, a mere sum of articles is not a good measure of notability. As to the state of the article itself, I agree that it is not technically a reason for deletion. However, a poorly written article does cast into doubt the ability of a topic to be covered in an encyclopedic manner. An article is itself a de facto argument for the inclusion of the said article. Therefore, a bad article casts doubt onto the ability of the topic to be covered appropriately. Wickedjacob (talk) 08:13, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Snow is a better search term, as not everyone may call it a blizzard. chat 19:07, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Snow is a better search term, as not everyone may call it a blizzard.
- You sources are for "georgia snow," not for the blizzard itself. The blizzard has not emerged as a discernible notable event. The media was acting like it was at the time, but they act like everything is notable. Given the media world we live in, a mere sum of articles is not a good measure of notability. As to the state of the article itself, I agree that it is not technically a reason for deletion. However, a poorly written article does cast into doubt the ability of a topic to be covered in an encyclopedic manner. An article is itself a de facto argument for the inclusion of the said article. Therefore, a bad article casts doubt onto the ability of the topic to be covered appropriately. Wickedjacob (talk) 08:13, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Poorly written is not a criteria for deletion and you're not reading
CommentDelete - while I believe this is clearly a notable event in weather history for the United States, I think it may be prudent to wait and see if any sources start making this an event; i.e., newspapers start referring to this event as the Georgia Blizzard of 2011. Otherwise, it is arbitrarily made and could let in articles such as 'The Snow Day of November 24 for Georgia' or the 'Very Cold Day of New York City on May 25, 2011, etc. Regards, -- Lord Roem (talk) 19:05, 15 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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- Comment. This one personally affected my because I was stuck in my house for 3 days but I'm not sure about whether or not this event has notability. I think more discussion is needed and some sources would be nice. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:47, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Still not sure about this. Initially the article was written like a "news" report and wikipedia is WP:EVENT). found 3 sources 1, 2, 3 and added the first to the article. Of course there's also a frakload of local news reports. Traditionally, events such as this were rare in Georgia and the southeast but source 2 concedes that they are becoming more routine. It might be possible to write a balanced "encyclopedic" article about this event so I'll go ahead and bold a weak keep for now. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 14:56, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep: Had serious implications in multiple areas throughout the country Purplebackpack89 21:34, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge with January 2011 North American blizzard which covers the same storm over a larger geographic area. — AjaxSmack 01:54, 25 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete.
]Assistant
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Dictionary definition, no hope of expansion. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 01:31, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, specific type of assistants, such as Personal assistant have their own article, this general descriptor is not needed. SeaphotoTalk 02:48, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete. Fundamentally a dictionary definition and cannot become encyclopedic in such a broad form. Would support it as a disambiguation page if a suitable number of sub-types of assistants have their own articles, but not in this format. talk) 03:19, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Fundamentally a dictionary definition and cannot become encyclopedic in such a broad form. Would support it as a disambiguation page if a suitable number of sub-types of assistants have their own articles, but not in this format.
- Delete Right hand man, which seems to have been merged into this article, might be able to stand alone since it contains some background. Jaque Hammer (talk) 10:44, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete and move right hand man, but it's not this one which is just unsourced speculation on it's etymology that, if kept, needs to be checked to see it's not original research. Thryduulf (talk) 11:43, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes man should redirect to Sycophancy per Colonel Warden below. Thryduulf (talk) 13:35, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep/split. There are three different topics here and they are all sufficiently common that they should not be red links. The current content is mostly about the right-hand man and so should go to that title. The title assistant should be used for assistant (disambiguation) while yes man should go to sycophancy. Colonel Warden (talk) 07:41, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, and move to right-hand man, an article about the phrase can be more than a dictionary definition. Agree with Colonel Warden about retargeting assistant and other page titles that redirect to it. Peter E. James (talk) 00:04, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep In order to avoid redlinks these topics should be kept.--WP:FOUR) 07:40, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete and move the existing disambig page to this title per Thryduulf. While an article may be possible at Right hand man, this collection of speculation and OR isn't it. Jim Miller See me | Touch me 19:16, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete simply a WP:DICTDEF. Also the 'Right hand man' section appears to be off-topic, as a 'right hand man' is generally a deputy for the principal (independent) rather than an assistant to the principal (non-independent). HrafnTalkStalk(P) 10:44, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 00:05, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Pokéthulhu
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No sources found anywhere, not notable. Last AFD closed in 2007 as no consensus. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 01:28, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete No apparent reliable sources covering this. Not notable. I am surprised it lasted this long. ]
- Just searched Google News, Google Books, and the Reliable video games sources Google search, and came up with almost nothing. Delete. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 06:22, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per above. Might be worth a brief mention in the reception section of one of the appropriate Pokémon articles. Melicans (talk, contributions) 06:35, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete There's next to nothing for this anywhere, and surely not enough to expand to a full article.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 14:06, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - Fails babble 23:50, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. Discussions regarding clean up and article name can occur on regular talk page using the regular procedure. (
Archaeology and the Book of Mormon
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tl;dr overloaded with synthesis. Almost none of this has anything to do with archaeology (the first several sections deal with animals!), so there's also blatant coatracking. Many sections tagged with OR. If kept, chainsaw it. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 01:18, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. This article reeks of original research. It doesn't seem easily salvageable or notable for Wikipedia. Logan Talk Contributions 01:20, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Move. It's a mess, granted, but it I think it is quite notable. Article speaks both for and against findings. A quick look at the references show it is quite well covered. Will need careful examination though to see if refs match the text. I believe this needs a rename rather than a delete. It's supplementary to ]
- Delete. A good amount of references are Mormon apologists and Book of Mormon references - which are not facts. Too much OR and not enough archeology. --Manway (talk) 02:15, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Move and cleanup. The article is indeed full of synthesis, original research and Historical authenticity of the Book of Mormon. Maybe a proper new name for it is something like "Searches for external evidence of Book of Mormon authenticity", which I know is a mouthful. COGDEN 02:52, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete. All these articles (Linguistics and the Book of Mormon, etc.) walk a thin line between evangelism and anti-evangelism with no real middle ground possible. The typical section for them consists of "The BOM says X, but critics note that the facts are Y, but apologists say Z". Considering the fact that this whole thing boils down to interpreting facts based on religious persuasion, it's mighty thin material for an encyclopedia. --Taivo (talk) 04:02, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. And "Archaeology and the Book of Mormon" is a fairly good topic name for this, although the animal sections might be movable to "Paleontology and the Book of Mormon", but they are rather closely related. The problem is fairly simple. The Book of Mormon proposes that people in pre-Columbian America were building walled cities of stone, smelting iron and steel, using wheeled vehicles, having alphabetic writing, and owning horses and cattle. These things allegedly were built from sea to sea. The location of all of this stuff is disputed, but somehow has to end up in upstate New York where the Book of Mormon was allegedly discovered. If any of this is true, it gives rise to obvious predictions that don't pan out. There is an extensive literature from Mormon opponents and apologists trying to deal with the cognitive dissonance here. The title is about as good as it could get, and the subject sees fairly obviously capable of supporting an article. - Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 16:54, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Keep -- This is a notable subject, though an uncomfortable one for the LDS, since it shows they are probably basing their faith on a work of fiction, whatever their apologists claim. I have tried to tidy up the headings, but suspect that what is now section 5 (with its long series of tags) ought to be removed. Inevitably this is a subject on which there are a lot of POVs. The only way of dealing with this is to set them all out, leaving the reader to judge for himself. Deleting this article (however bad it is) would be tantamount to allowing WP to suggest that the claims of the book of Mormon are to be taken at face value, not rejected as (according to my POV) they should be. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:20, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - this is a notable subject, directly analogous to Biblical archaeology. LadyofShalott 00:21, 21 January 2011 (UTC) Comment - I wonder if 10lbhammer has ever heard of zooarchaeology, an important subdiscipline of archaeology. LadyofShalott 03:33, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. I find it difficult to believe that the article is not salvageable, and much of what is already there is fine. There are entire books written on this topic and entire books written about people and their frustration at their failure to find archaeological evidence of the Book of Mormon after years of searching, so there's nothing inherently "unencyclopedic" or non-notable about the topic. I don't think deletion is the answer here to an article that has problems. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:53, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep The article offers important insight regarding some of the more controversial issues within the Book of Mormon. It can easily be cleaned up. There is no reason to delete it. Regent of the Seatopians (talk) 02:58, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Strong KeepAbstain - I am not without bias though as I have contributed quite a bit to this article - there were several very idealistic Mormon editors that bloated this thing to epic proportions and I have been trying to work on it slowly over time to cut out the OR and synthesis. And as noted above, this is a huge topic/debate within Mormon apologetic circles and mormon critics.--Descartes1979 (talk) 04:47, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]- Changing my vote to abstain - thinking critically a bit about this topic and I am starting to agree that it should be moved and at the very least chopped up and rebuilt.--Descartes1979 (talk) 04:51, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep - So far as I can see, there isn't excessive bloating in the "independent science and the Book of Mormon" field, just this article and the linguistics article. Having said that, I wonder whether an article of that type might not be a better place for both topics, as having a single article might help prevent the bloating described by others. John Carter (talk) 19:11, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- That is not a bad idea - if I understand you correctly - to merge Archaeology and the Book of Mormon, Linguistics and the Book of Mormon, and Genetics and the Book of Mormon (any others?) into a single Independent Science and the Book of Mormon. Right? --Descartes1979 (talk) 04:52, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. However, merge discussions can continue on the article's talk page. (non-admin closure) Logan Talk Contributions 00:42, 29 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Foreign Body (internet series)
Not able to verify notability of this webseries in reliable sources. Not much to be found beyond the pre-launch hype as shown in the references listed with the article. Utterman (talk) 20:07, 12 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep:I just deprodded this, I guess you didn't choose to actually look? There are multiple sources out there showing this was a notable webseries, and I don't think there are very many notable webseries. Even the "pre launch hype" if you want to call it that included lengthy articles in many major publications (LA Times article, Times of India, Chicago Tribune, etc.)[45][46][47][48][49]--Milowent • talkblp-r 20:19, 12 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep or better yet Merge into an article on the novel that it was made to promote, though that doesn't seem to exist yet. Verifiability and basic notability don't appear to be in question. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 22:29, 12 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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- Weak keep. The sources already in the article plus the ones listed by Milowent would appear to just about take this over the boundary required by WP:GNG. Could be merged to an article on the novel at some time in the future, but certainly don't delete. Alzarian16 (talk) 19:04, 28 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. -- Cirt (talk) 02:39, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Muhammad Tahir
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Non-notable as per Wikipedia Policy (
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- Keep The article appears legitimate. Assuming notability in Pakistan, with no English references, is sufficient. There probably are some English references, but they may be hard to find, as the editor who created the article has not given much information in their citation. I will look at it some more. talk) 14:07, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 02:39, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Joel Collins
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Contested PROD.
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- Weak keep I suspect that BAFTA award he won (for Visual Effects, with two co-winners) could make him notable. I will defer to anybody who is more familiar with the Film criteria, but that sounds notable to me. --MelanieN (talk) 02:32, 12 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete. I believe the relevant guideline is talk) 03:32, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. If the appropriate guideline is WP:CREATIVE, it is a difficult standard that Collins does not meet.LedRush (talk) 21:14, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 02:39, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Carlos Boluda
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Would seem to fail
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- Delete - Appears to fail WP:NTENNIS. Recreate when/if the athlete becomes notable in the future. Kugao (talk) 18:42, 15 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Certainly does not "appear to fail" ]
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- Tentative Keep A google search does appear to demonstrate sufficient sources to show notability, but as they are all in Spanish (and I can't use the much faster moving Chrome at work) I'll take a look when I get home for substance of those mentions. - ManicSpider (talk) 01:26, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete fails tennis notablity. Although this guy has been said to be better than Nadal. However his career has fallen flat and he is still not meeting tennis notablity KnowIG (talk) 08:31, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 00:05, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Humpan Kuninkaan Hovissa
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Prod removed. The album has not charted and if it has, it is not currently
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The result was keep. -- Cirt (talk) 02:39, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Malta–Pakistan relations
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this article was previously deleted. article mentions the usual "we want more bilateral cooperation" meeting but lack of actual action. no resident embassies, no known agreements, no known significant trade or investment. mention of human trafficking is not enough to justify an article. general lack of coverage of topic [50]. Most Malta-Pakistan interaction is multilateral in terms of
]- Keep references look fine to me, it is the media noticing the relationship that counts in GNG, not an artificial threshold of dollars of trade or number of state visits. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 03:48, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- I never mentioned a threshold of trade but there appears to be no coverage of trade. LibStar (talk) 06:40, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Actually this article content originally appeared in Foreign relations of Pakistan, however in line with Wikipedia:Article size policy, I created a new page namely Malta-Pakistan relations, and shifted the content to this page. I do agree that the relationship may not be "significant", however, I would like to point out that if this page is deleted, then information from this page will be either "orphaned," or dumped back on the original Foreign relations of Pakistan page. And both these are undesirable effects of deleting this page. Information in this page have "weight," and confines with Wikipedia original philosophy of providing the sum of all human knowledge. The fact that Malta has two honorary consulate in Pakistan (Lahore and Karachi), shows Malta's significant interest in Pakistan, despite being a small country. http://www.foreign.gov.mt/default.aspx?MDIS=4442 If there are any concerns regarding the quality of the article, then a better purpose can be served by requesting to "edit" the page rather then "deleting" the page.
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- there is no substantial coverage to build up this article. Previous consensus was to delete. Honorary consulates are simply people who volunteer to do basic consul functions (usually from their home) and is hardly an indicator of relations like trade, agreements, economic assistance, migration etc. LibStar (talk) 21:04, 17 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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- Further argument to keep the page I would also like to point out that the whole purpose of wikipedia is to povide and share any knowledge which is encyclopedic in nature. This should therefore removes any barrier whatsoever to any consideration to the concept of relative significance. Consider for example the stark case between China world biggest country, and Nauru world smallest country. I believe that it would be totally unfair for anyone to argue that the Nauru page be deleted simply because the GDP of Nauru is US$36 million, with an area of 21 sq km, and a population of less then 15,000. Anyone living in a developed country would only laugh at these statistics. But despite the insignificane, the Nauru page exist, which provides and satisfies the curiosity of many readers. I therefore wish to argue that the Malta-Pakistan page be also kept. This is a well cited page, and there is scope for user to add additional content in the future. (Jalal0 (talk) 09:32, 20 January 2011 (UTC))[reply]
- Keep Pardon me for being an inclusionist, but what exactly is the concern when the subject is appropriately refererenced? I see no reason to delete the valuable content this article currently holds; Mar4d (talk) 10:03, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- the reason is simple. A lack of significant coverage of actual bilateral relations. The information that would be valuable is resident embassies, known agreements, known significant trade or investment, significant migration. Can you show evidence of this? LibStar (talk) 10:20, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Please also appreciate that Malta is a small country of just 0.5 million people. How can you expect any country to have significant relationship with a small country like Malta. And how can you expect any country to have trade relationship with Malta which runs into billions, when Malta can just provide a customer base of less then 0.5 million people? (Jalal0 (talk) 10:27, 20 January 2011 (UTC))[reply]
- so are you admitting there isn't a significant relationship? if there are no significant coverage of actual relations then it fails WP:GNG. Other 100 bilateral articles have been deleted, most of those involving small countries. Malta has notable relations with its neighbours but I fail to see a notable relationship with Pakistan. No evidence has been provided. LibStar (talk) 10:50, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- so are you admitting there isn't a significant relationship? if there are no significant coverage of actual relations then it fails
- Well you also need to know that the word Malta in the Urdu language means orange. I did try to search for additional information relating to Pakistan and Malta (the country). But what I got back was information relating to Pakistan and Malta (the orange). See https://doi.org/10.1007%2FBF03051705 for example. The problem is that Malta (the orange) is more popular in Pakistan then Malta (the country). So additional information on this subject is currently limited due to technological limitations in semantic search. (Jalal0 (talk) 11:17, 20 January 2011 (UTC))[reply]
- Well I agreed before just as I do now, that "the relationship may not be "significant", " however my motivation is not based on "significance" but rather on encyclopedic information which this article provide. (Jalal0 (talk) 14:15, 20 January 2011 (UTC)).[reply]
- Comment Just a note, the fact that Air Malta was set up originally with the expertise of Pakistan International Airlines really delves deep into all of this. I find a contradiction in LibStar's argument that the relationship is blatantly insignificant. Mar4d (talk) 15:29, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- do you have sources? LibStar (talk) 22:52, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- See the 'aviation' section and the Air Malta page itself (which albeit has a one sentence mention). 05:44, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
- PIA-Air Malta links More citations - [51], [52], [53]. (Jalal0 (talk) 14:18, 21 January 2011 (UTC))[reply]
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The result was delete.
]Wethersfield Institute
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Obscure Catholic organisation, remembered mostly for providing forums for the intelligent design movement early in its formation, rather than for anything it did in its own right -- therefore somewhat of a cipher. Little or no third-party coverage, just mainly republication of papers presented at its forums, mainly by Ignatius Press and Catholic Education Resource Center. Unclear if its is still operational. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 11:44, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Whether it is still in existence is of course irrelevant. It has published a reasonable amount of material, and there are sufficient sources DGG ( talk ) 16:34, 14 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- (i) The fact that there is so little coverage that we cannot even tell if it is still in existence or not would appear to be highly relevant. (ii) It is whether it "has published a reasonable amount of material" or not that is irrelevant -- as it is third-party/independent coverage that matters under the guidelines. (iii) Your claim of "sufficient sources" would appear to be an unsubstantiated, bare assertion. I was the one who added the third-party sourcing to this article. The third party mentions amount to little (nothing?) more than a couple of bare mentions and the quotation of their statement of purpose in a footnote. Not sufficient third-party sources by a wide margin. Your !vote would appear to be without factual or policy basis. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 16:49, 14 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete: Whether this outfit has published material or not is nowhere found in any inclusion criteria. DGG, if you claim that there are reliable sources out there which discuss the institute - not its founder, not its publications - in significant detail, would you mind providing them, please? I don't see it, myself. Ravenswing 17:45, 14 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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- Keep -- The fact that some one is prepared to publish the proceedings of its lecture series suggests notability to me. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:39, 16 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- The publishers in question, Ignatius Press and Catholic Education Resource Center, would appear to publish the Institute's proceedings out of ideological sympathy, rather than any inherent notability or merit. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 19:33, 16 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- So you believe that any subject published by someone is notable? That's a startling assertion that certainly flies in the face of consensus in a lot of areas. Ravenswing 06:28, 17 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete Not notable. --Bobbyd2011 (talk) 19:34, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 02:39, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Domain Central (née Domain central)
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This article is written like an advertisement, with the company's press releases and customer reviews. -- d'oh! [talk] 13:13, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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- Comment I have edited the article down to a stub. Preliminary gnews results seem to indicate this may be a notable company. (Renamed page to Domain Central.) OSbornarfcontributionatoration 03:07, 15 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete. Non notable domain host: domain name registrar, web host, and managed services provider. References are to minor Top 50 trade awards and announcements of price changes. - Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 17:05, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus.
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Delete, articles one claim to notability is that there was a speech at his funeral by Joseph Smith with new doctrine for the church. Per my understanding this makes him notable for one thing and that while he might rate mention on that doctrines page nothing in the article in the article imho stated notability beyond this.
- I would say that Brunson being a person who brought charges leading to Oliver Cowdery's excommunication justifies him having an article.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:19, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- It is defintely a interesting point. I'm going to think on that one for a little and if I agree I will withdraw, it's actually a good rationale. talk) 01:45, 14 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- It is defintely a interesting point. I'm going to think on that one for a little and if I agree I will withdraw, it's actually a good rationale.
- I would say that Brunson being a person who brought charges leading to Oliver Cowdery's excommunication justifies him having an article.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:19, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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- Weak keep. Although I cannot find a vast amount of information on the subject, the two separate connections to Smith and Cowdery help him to squeak by ]
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The result was keep. -- Cirt (talk) 02:39, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Karima Francis
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Although mentioned in several local music columns, does not appear to meet the criteria for notability. Specifically, she has not had a single or album on any country's national music chart; has not had a record certified gold or higher in at least one country; has not received non-trivial coverage in a reliable source of an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one sovereign country; has not released two or more albums on a major label or one of the more important indie labels;]] nor has met other criteria in [[54]] Wkharrisjr (talk) 15:33, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak Keep: Coverage in the Daily Mail and the Observer can scarcely be considered "local music columns" for a resident of Manchester. That she hasn't met WP:MUSIC may be the case, but that's subordinate to the GNG. Ravenswing 17:22, 14 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete - The sources supplied do not add up to 'significant ' coverage even broadly construed. A flash-in-the-pan or an upcoming artist. Wait until the criteria per nom have been fulfilled. --Kudpung (talk) 03:38, 15 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Has enough coverage for WP:N (I have updated the article and there is still more coverage available). duffbeerforme (talk) 07:55, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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- Keep. Plenty of coverage found from a Google News search. Clearly notable.--Michig (talk) 07:06, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 02:39, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Electoral geography of the United States
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Almost all original research.Bernolákovčina (talk) 22:18, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Lots of original synthesis. The information that is appropriate is already in their respective articles. Wickedjacob (talk) 07:10, 14 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- I noticed that this article was split off from red states and blue states in Feburary 22, 2007. Would it be more appropriate to merge this article (back) into that one? red states and blue states has changed significantly from the split, so if the merge was to ratify, significant portions of Electoral geography of the United States may be deleted.Bernolákovčina (talk) 21:07, 14 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete A good article but it is really more interpretation than the kind of solid information that encyclopedias are known for. It almost gets into the "how to" area, like "how to win the presidency for your party." Jaque Hammer (talk) 01:50, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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